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#61
Quote from: marty34 on November 28, 2019, 10:29:46 PM
Quote from: under the bar on November 28, 2019, 10:18:17 PM
Celtic playing very well but possibly Lennon saying "the players are giving me everything I ask for and more..." and waxing lyrical about them is not the best public message to young players.  Maybe "another good performance but still a number of areas we need to inprove on" would  keep them on their toes?

Confidence must be high after that run of games but a bad result will puncture the balloon.  But it's a real good run at Euro level - topping the group with a game to spare and doing a double over Lazio.  Could afford to rest Edouard this evening also.  Lads must be in good form in training these days.

Be interesting to see what Lennon does in final game: keep same team or make wholesale changes? December has a lot of games so key players need rested.

Important to going as the bluemen are tight behind in both competitions.  Cup final will be a big boost, to whoever wins it.
Given that the mini-Liverpool filth is breathing down their necks domestically, I expect Lennon will rest Celtic players v Cluj. The cup final means very little in league terms but my wish would be for a Celtic 6-3 win with Morelos scoring a hat-trick to put himself in the January shop window
#62
Celtic playing very well but possibly Lennon saying "the players are giving me everything I ask for and more..." and waxing lyrical about them is not the best public message to young players.  Maybe "another good performance but still a number of areas we need to inprove on" would  keep them on their toes?
#63
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 28, 2019, 05:51:23 PM
So everything goes tits up for the Irish language act? We have no assembly because of the Irish language act, education, nhs, funding, social welfare and everything else a local government wants to provide can't be done because of the Irish language act?

Get a majority and push it through, until then work the system.

Substitute 'denial of equality' for 'Irish Language Act' and your post will make more sense.
#64
GAA Discussion / Re: Team of the decade
November 28, 2019, 09:59:02 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 28, 2019, 09:57:15 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 28, 2019, 09:39:53 PM
Not the best of decades for variety. Cork, Donegal, Kerry and 7x Dublin
Plus Mayo who got to 4 finals

Well Dublin won 7 of the 10 titles available. Cork won one and as good as vanished after that. Kerry got handed one in 2014. Donegal won one and gradually declined after that. And Mayo, Jez they'd won't win one if it was a one horse race!

You'd swear Mayo were cursed or something?
#65
Quote from: Main Street on November 28, 2019, 08:14:40 PM
Looks like just 50% of the Green Brigade section has been left empty. 
I take it that UEFA are not bothered by renditions of old classics such as BOTOB?

No, but why would they be?
#66
Quote from: sid waddell on November 28, 2019, 09:12:41 PM
Of course Israel and pro-Israel interests are behind the smears on Corbyn and his supporters.

It's the oldest trick in the book. Look at what they've done to Ilhan Omar in the US while ignoring the litany of virulent anti-Semitism from Trump and the Republicans.

Funny how the media doesn't mention actual instances of anti-Semitism from opponents of Corbyn within Labour.

Like, the guy who's the actual spokesman for an organisation called Labour Against Anti-Semitism, Euan Philipps, who isn't Jewish, called Corbyn supporting journalist Eleanor Penny, who is Jewish, "a blackshirt".

Labour MP Siobhan McDonagh said that "to be anti-capitalist automatically makes you anti-Semitic". That's a classic anti-Semitic trope.

Neither of these two instances of actual anti-Semtism are ever cited by the media. Why? Because Philipps and McDonagh both hate Corbyn.

It would disturb the narrative.

Have a look at the Tories even. There's a litany of anti-Semitism there. Boris Johnson continually commissioned a virulent anti-Semite, Taki Theodoracopulos, to write anti-Semitic propaganda for The Spectator when he was editor - Theodoracopoulos still writes for The Spectator!

Jacob Rees-Mogg, Michael Gove, Andrew Bridgen, James Cleverley, all use or have used anti-Semitic tropes. A Tory candidate in this election had to stand down for being caught out as a Holocaust denier!

Yet none of this is cited by the press as evidence of the Tories having an anti-Semtism problem, which they actually have.

The only prominent Tory to be accused of being an anti-Semite in my memory is Alan Duncan, who categorically is not an anti-Semite. Why was he accused? Because, rarely for a Tory, he knows what he's talking about when it comes to the Israel/Palestine situation and spoke out forcefully against Israel's disgraceful bombing of Gaza in 2014 which killed thousands, and over 500 children.

An Israeli diplomat was literally caught on hidden camera by Al Jazeera saying that he had to be "taken down".

If you're in any sort of prominent position in politics or the media and publicly oppose Israeli policy, it is very likely you will be smeared as an anti-Semite.
+1
Didn't the Israeli government attempt to get the UN definition of anti-semitism changed to any criticism of the Israel or its actions such as the murder of innocent Palestinians?
#67
General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
November 28, 2019, 09:00:01 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 28, 2019, 08:12:33 PM
Quote from: under the bar on November 28, 2019, 08:07:43 PM
Quote from: markl121 on November 28, 2019, 04:10:56 PM
Duckenfield not guilty. Still no justice
Manslaughter was always going to be a very high bar to pin on one individual responsible for policing when inadequate structural facilities and safety planning also contributed to some degree.
Fair point, but 96 people died and nobody in authority can be held accountable?!

Yes, but manslaughter is the wrong charge in crowd control situations involving thousands of people where many people die in tragic circumstances.  The defence can simply point to hundreds of other football games from the time where similar policing policy was followed  and no-one died. Thus the bar of foresight of consequences of actions AND gross negligence are almost impossible to prove. The result is the families feel that the authorities have been vindicated which is not the case.

A criminal charge similar to the civil charge of death due to negligence would be more appropriate which finds that negligent behaviour (not gross negligence) by police or persons of authority leads to death, regardless as to whether they could have reasonably foreseen the deaths.  Such a conviction, even if custodial sentences did not necessarily follow would leave families feeling vindicated, unlike today.
#68
General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
November 28, 2019, 08:07:43 PM
Quote from: markl121 on November 28, 2019, 04:10:56 PM
Duckenfield not guilty. Still no justice
Manslaughter was always going to be a very high bar to pin on one individual responsible for policing when inadequate structural facilities and safety planning also contributed to some degree.
#69
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on November 27, 2019, 10:34:54 PM
Betting odds:

Tory overall majority: 4/9
No overall majority: 5/2
Labour majority: 25/1

Damned if I know how Johnson's doing it, but he seems to be winning. I'm getting the same sinking feeling I got in 2016 when it started to look like Trump had a chance.

Maybe the "antisemitism" muck is sticking.

You can rule Labour out as irrelevant. Any opposition that couldn't win an election through all the years of austerity and Brexit fuckwittery clearly don't deserve to lead.

At this stage I'd much prefer a clear Johnston majority than a hung parliament and DUP with a voting influence.  As much a **** as he is he couldn't give a f**k about Ireland or the Northern Union. If hard Brexit is his aim he's more likely to shaft the latter.
#70
GAA Discussion / Re: Retirements
November 27, 2019, 11:15:54 PM
Quote from: Schkite on November 27, 2019, 07:19:13 PM
Vinny Corey and Dessie Mone both announced their retirements today, 2 of the all time great servants to Monaghan football.

No surprise really with Banty coming back in, Malachy leaving seemed like a natural point for them both to bow out on too, but that's a serious amount of experience leaving the dressing room. They've been part of the county team since 2003 and 2004 respectively. They owe Monaghan football absolutely nothing and their presence will certainly be missed.

+1
#71
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
November 24, 2019, 11:59:47 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on November 24, 2019, 10:55:10 PM
Quote from: under the bar on November 24, 2019, 10:50:51 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on November 24, 2019, 09:17:52 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on November 24, 2019, 08:52:17 PM
Derg won G1 minor championship in 1989. Had a good team obviously, a few Cattersons, Benny Lynch, Aidan Lynch, lad Connolly......how come they never pushed on?

Dungannon won the minor championship in 89 beat Carmen in final and went on to win Ulster.

Was that a Gerard Cavlan inspired Dungannon side? Can not think of a single other Dungannon player to make county standard around that time.

Cavlan was not involved as far as I know. He played county minor in 1993 so didn't play club in 89. You obviously didn't follow much football around that period then if you ask had Clarke's any decent players. Lanky Kilpatrick and Danny Barr both played midfield for Tyrone minors, U21's and seniors in early/mid 1990's period.

Of course they did! How could I forget the Clarks finest of that era!  ;)
#72
General discussion / Re: Scammers
November 24, 2019, 11:52:17 PM
Quote from: t_mac on November 24, 2019, 08:42:40 PM
Quote from: under the bar on November 24, 2019, 08:09:09 PM
Quote from: t_mac on November 24, 2019, 05:42:18 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 24, 2019, 05:05:38 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on November 24, 2019, 07:53:43 AM
Lol hes been trolling Eamon under a few names for a while now.
He gets banned but then gets restless, comes back on and
behaves for a while but then inevitably zeros in on Eamon again. Rather hilariously he brings up stuff on Eamon that they fell out under his old username before his current user was even on the board. Its entertaining for a while as Eamon needs a wee bit of a dressing down but after a while it just becomes silly.

Milltownrow2 used to get this on the Antrim board quite regularly too. Some people have little to be at.

Probably because you reap what you sow, these guys hiding behind usernames feel they can say what the want, no matter how abhorrent without reproach.

LMAO. You created your new account just 4 months ago and are already the board pariah....again!!!  ;D. People have deserted you faster than your fellow countyman Mo Robinson!   ;D Mate of yours?

I'd say you out in front on points, folk don't like being called out, least you are consistently a tool and a bigot.
Can you try that in English?  ;D or even Irish so we can decipher your utterances??
#73
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
November 24, 2019, 10:50:51 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on November 24, 2019, 09:17:52 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on November 24, 2019, 08:52:17 PM
Derg won G1 minor championship in 1989. Had a good team obviously, a few Cattersons, Benny Lynch, Aidan Lynch, lad Connolly......how come they never pushed on?

Dungannon won the minor championship in 89 beat Carmen in final and went on to win Ulster.

Was that a Gerard Cavlan inspired Dungannon side? Can not think of a single other Dungannon player to make county standard around that time.
#74
General discussion / Re: VAR? For or against
November 24, 2019, 08:41:57 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 24, 2019, 12:49:21 PM
Quote from: ziggy90 on November 24, 2019, 07:27:51 AM
Quote from: J70 on November 23, 2019, 08:36:13 PM
The Sterling one was madness. Luckily for City it didn't matter.

It did for a friend of mine. His £200 bet for Sterling to score (he does this bet every time Sterling plays) went down the Swanee.

So he bets a grand or more a month. He needs professional help.
And he's probably a smuggler!  ;D
#75
Quote from: supersarsfields on November 24, 2019, 07:20:30 PM
Quote from: bannside on November 24, 2019, 03:55:28 PM
There is more than a chance that none of the above mentioned are squeaky clean, especially with the stakes so high. But there is a big difference in being part of a plan to make it difficult for outside investors to come in, and the kind of treatment metered out to Kevin Lunney. Someone was paying someone to carry out highly illegal acts of destruction and thuggery. Someone with both means and motive. Time will tell just who was the instigator behind this long reign of terror.....because someone was!

The attacks that prevented outside investors like Lagan were disgusting as well. There's nothing to show McCartin was directly involved but the emails would make you wonder what he did know.
I'll agree it's only a matter of time before they get the people involved. And that should be welcomed. I doubt this is the last article regarding this.
Not sure they will get them.  The outrage at Lunney's torture and press coverage may make it all go away.
Regardless as to who the paymaster was, if it was career criminals or dissidents doing the dirty work it will take forensics to secure a conviction and they probably have covered their asses in that regard.  Ultimately if all the intimidation stops, everyone moves on and the media get offside then  the psni/gardai won't give a feck or waste many resources on what is essentially a commercial dispute