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Will be great watching McIlroy fail again.

I hope he wins and dedicates it to the outgoing first minister Arlene just to really piss off people.

Also he's said he's togging out for Olympics. He should demand that Ireland have a butchers apron somewhere on their kit otherwise he's not playing.

The Rory McIlroy Castle Catholic fans would love that but he's a busted flush, much like them.

You've kind of proved the point. There is trials going on to get more data. Kinda shows that it exists or what would they be doing trials on. Your going to need more than an opinion piece in the WSJ and that quote which, no matter how you twist it doesn't deny long Covid, to sway anyone with a brain cell.

So you can't answer the questions I posed?

How do medical professionals diagnose Long Covid? Why can't medical professionals explain it?

Surely these are fundamentals for it to be given credibility yet all it seems to have is anecdotal momentum and that for me is spurious at the very best.

They do an assessment similar to virtually all other ailments. They do blood tests, scans, blood pressure, exercise tolerance tests. I know people who have been through it.

You can choose not to believe in it. That's your right. But I don't think you've influenced anyone else into having the same opinion.

They can't explain it though. They're basically diagnosing something they have not the slightest idea about.

They have basically expanded the net for Long Covid to be anything.

It's a new long term illness. It's not like they know nothing. Have a google, there's plenty of info there that discusses long term Covid. It's quite evident that long Covid exists despite your attemp to proclaim otherwise.

I've read articles supporting it's existence and they seem to be solely supported by anecdotal stories.

So no articles mention organ damage? Scarring of the lung tissue etc?

Not generally, people who had bad doses of Covid will naturally take longer to recover fully. The main thing I see mentioned with Covid but be fatigue which sometimes can be known as laziness.

Do you think it suits certain people to claim Long Covid? Yes or no.

Some people yes. Same as any illness. People can take advantage. But only an idiot would think that because some people might take advantage of it, that it doesn't exist.

Plus you need to do some more reading.

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4470
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-long-term-effects/art-20490351
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/coronavirus-survivors-can-suffer-damage-to-almost-every-major-organ-12027749

I'm assuming now your educated you will amend your view on long Covid.

Certainly nowhere near as widespread or common as being made out. It would be natural for people who have had a severe case of some illness to have some associated problems for some time after. That does not legitimise terming a new disease for it.

Do we have flu and long flu?
Do we have glandular fever and long glandular fever?
Do we have pneumonia and long pneumonia?
Do we have a common cold and a long common cold?

You've kind of proved the point. There is trials going on to get more data. Kinda shows that it exists or what would they be doing trials on. Your going to need more than an opinion piece in the WSJ and that quote which, no matter how you twist it doesn't deny long Covid, to sway anyone with a brain cell.

So you can't answer the questions I posed?

How do medical professionals diagnose Long Covid? Why can't medical professionals explain it?

Surely these are fundamentals for it to be given credibility yet all it seems to have is anecdotal momentum and that for me is spurious at the very best.

They do an assessment similar to virtually all other ailments. They do blood tests, scans, blood pressure, exercise tolerance tests. I know people who have been through it.

You can choose not to believe in it. That's your right. But I don't think you've influenced anyone else into having the same opinion.

They can't explain it though. They're basically diagnosing something they have not the slightest idea about.

They have basically expanded the net for Long Covid to be anything.

It's a new long term illness. It's not like they know nothing. Have a google, there's plenty of info there that discusses long term Covid. It's quite evident that long Covid exists despite your attemp to proclaim otherwise.

I've read articles supporting it's existence and they seem to be solely supported by anecdotal stories.

So no articles mention organ damage? Scarring of the lung tissue etc?

Not generally, people who had bad doses of Covid will naturally take longer to recover fully. The main thing I see mentioned with Covid but be fatigue which sometimes can be known as laziness.

Do you think it suits certain people to claim Long Covid? Yes or no.

You've kind of proved the point. There is trials going on to get more data. Kinda shows that it exists or what would they be doing trials on. Your going to need more than an opinion piece in the WSJ and that quote which, no matter how you twist it doesn't deny long Covid, to sway anyone with a brain cell.

So you can't answer the questions I posed?

How do medical professionals diagnose Long Covid? Why can't medical professionals explain it?

Surely these are fundamentals for it to be given credibility yet all it seems to have is anecdotal momentum and that for me is spurious at the very best.

They do an assessment similar to virtually all other ailments. They do blood tests, scans, blood pressure, exercise tolerance tests. I know people who have been through it.

You can choose not to believe in it. That's your right. But I don't think you've influenced anyone else into having the same opinion.

They can't explain it though. They're basically diagnosing something they have not the slightest idea about.

They have basically expanded the net for Long Covid to be anything.

It's a new long term illness. It's not like they know nothing. Have a google, there's plenty of info there that discusses long term Covid. It's quite evident that long Covid exists despite your attemp to proclaim otherwise.

I've read articles supporting it's existence and they seem to be solely supported by anecdotal stories.

You've kind of proved the point. There is trials going on to get more data. Kinda shows that it exists or what would they be doing trials on. Your going to need more than an opinion piece in the WSJ and that quote which, no matter how you twist it doesn't deny long Covid, to sway anyone with a brain cell.

So you can't answer the questions I posed?

How do medical professionals diagnose Long Covid? Why can't medical professionals explain it?

Surely these are fundamentals for it to be given credibility yet all it seems to have is anecdotal momentum and that for me is spurious at the very best.

They do an assessment similar to virtually all other ailments. They do blood tests, scans, blood pressure, exercise tolerance tests. I know people who have been through it.

You can choose not to believe in it. That's your right. But I don't think you've influenced anyone else into having the same opinion.

They can't explain it though. They're basically diagnosing something they have not the slightest idea about.

They have basically expanded the net for Long Covid to be anything.

Some great pints, but you boys should know by now not to waste your time replying to the resident clown. Not one hoot does he give about anything you guys have to say, not one. The lack of self-awareness is staggering.

I'd say pretty much everyone now knows someone suffering from long covid. I've a v close friend currently dealing with long Covid specialists in the London centre. They are really really struggling.

The logical and rational conclusion is they are liars though

Yes point well made about wasting your time.

Some people don't have meaningful interaction with real life people, all their views are based on what they gleam from the internet (where they seek out information to confirm their bias) 
These people are few and far between, but shout loudly.

In my circle of friends, family and work colleagues, I don't know a single person who doesn't want the vaccine. Mostly because they know people who have had Covid, and they don't want to get it, nor do they want to place friends/family in jeopardy.

Hound really likes to project his own shortcomings on this board.

His contributions seem to be wholesale bigoted views and gaslighting other posters indirectly.

What you have said there actually sums up yourself perfectly but you seem to lack any of the self awareness to realise that.

[Covid could age you 10 years in terms of damage to parts of your body.]

Covid could age you 10 years in terms of damage to parts of your body.

There is also the example of the 24 year old twins in India who died, I'm sure that that their familiy would like to hear Angelo's theories about young people being unaffected.

This is the disingenuous and purely speculative nonsense that has become par the course for the zealots on here.

Forget the truth, forge the facts, forget things we actually and just engage in hysterical and unproven speculation to pedal your agenda.

It is clear from the vaccine uptake that the public, especially in the UK and Ireland, have overwhelmingly opted to believe in science and expertise, rather than listen to deniers and uninformed online lunatics like yourself. You have lost all arguments so time for you to find a new hobby.

They have done whatever the authorities have told them to do.

I haven't lost any arguments, I have made the most logical and accurate arguments.

Unlike you zealots. I haven't demanded people conform to my views, I haven't tried to label, vilify or shame those with a different view which has been the modus operandi of you and your buddies.

I have made a rational case that people should be allowed make their own informed decisions without prejudices.

Sadly that sort of Independent thinking does not conform with zealotry and that's why I have you and your fellow zealots so rattled.

You left out Nazi Germany in your post

Going to make a few more posts hoping I die today?

Unbelievable that the moderator did not issue you with a ban for your post this morning.

Quite frankly undermines any single rule we have on this board when you have impunity to insult and wish death on other posters.

You've kind of proved the point. There is trials going on to get more data. Kinda shows that it exists or what would they be doing trials on. Your going to need more than an opinion piece in the WSJ and that quote which, no matter how you twist it doesn't deny long Covid, to sway anyone with a brain cell.

So you can't answer the questions I posed?

How do medical professionals diagnose Long Covid? Why can't medical professionals explain it?

Surely these are fundamentals for it to be given credibility yet all it seems to have is anecdotal momentum and that for me is spurious at the very best.

long covid effects are not unknown. see my previous post.

They are unknown.

ive told my relative, they have let the other doctors know the long covid effects arent as a result covid and are actually unknown... they are retesting and based on your analysis are hopeful the previous permanent damage to lung heart etc will be gone...

ill be back to confirm once its confirmed.

Medical experts are baffled and cannot explain Long Covid. It's an unknown, something that has gained traction without any supporting evidence.

It's a godsend for hypochondriacs and lazy people.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-dubious-origins-of-long-covid-11616452583

Yes that opinion article in the WSJ definitely puts those medical reports in their place.

"I don't think this is going to be easy to figure out," said Steven Deeks, a professor of medicine at the University of California, San Francisco, who is leading a clinical trial to find answers. "The vaccines and therapeutics, they were easy. With this post-acute Covid syndrome, we have no idea how to measure it. We have no prior experience in terms of defining it or treating it, so it's kind of a wild, wild West right now."

There's a professor basically saying that the medical profession haven't a f**king clue about it. They have nothing to either verify it exists or explain why it exists but people here willingly believe it exists.

Seeing as you are all experts now and able to tell me that Long Covid exists, can you tell me how its existence is confirmed?

long covid effects are not unknown. see my previous post.

They are unknown.

ive told my relative, they have let the other doctors know the long covid effects arent as a result covid and are actually unknown... they are retesting and based on your analysis are hopeful the previous permanent damage to lung heart etc will be gone...

ill be back to confirm once its confirmed.

Medical experts are baffled and cannot explain Long Covid. It's an unknown, something that has gained traction without any supporting evidence.

It's a godsend for hypochondriacs and lazy people.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-dubious-origins-of-long-covid-11616452583

Yes that opinion article in the WSJ definitely puts those medical reports in their place.

If it's real then why are medics so baffled by it?

[Covid could age you 10 years in terms of damage to parts of your body.]

Covid could age you 10 years in terms of damage to parts of your body.

There is also the example of the 24 year old twins in India who died, I'm sure that that their familiy would like to hear Angelo's theories about young people being unaffected.

This is the disingenuous and purely speculative nonsense that has become par the course for the zealots on here.

Forget the truth, forge the facts, forget things we actually and just engage in hysterical and unproven speculation to pedal your agenda.

It is clear from the vaccine uptake that the public, especially in the UK and Ireland, have overwhelmingly opted to believe in science and expertise, rather than listen to deniers and uninformed online lunatics like yourself. You have lost all arguments so time for you to find a new hobby.

They have done whatever the authorities have told them to do.

I haven't lost any arguments, I have made the most logical and accurate arguments.

Unlike you zealots. I haven't demanded people conform to my views, I haven't tried to label, vilify or shame those with a different view which has been the modus operandi of you and your buddies.

I have made a rational case that people should be allowed make their own informed decisions without prejudices.

Sadly that sort of Independent thinking does not conform with zealotry and that's why I have you and your fellow zealots so rattled.

long covid effects are not unknown. see my previous post.

They are unknown.

ive told my relative, they have let the other doctors know the long covid effects arent as a result covid and are actually unknown... they are retesting and based on your analysis are hopeful the previous permanent damage to lung heart etc will be gone...

ill be back to confirm once its confirmed.

Medical experts are baffled and cannot explain Long Covid. It's an unknown, something that has gained traction without any supporting evidence.

It's a godsend for hypochondriacs and lazy people.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-dubious-origins-of-long-covid-11616452583

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-dubious-origins-of-long-covid-11616452583

Some great pints, but you boys should know by now not to waste your time replying to the resident clown. Not one hoot does he give about anything you guys have to say, not one. The lack of self-awareness is staggering.

I'd say pretty much everyone now knows someone suffering from long covid. I've a v close friend currently dealing with long Covid specialists in the London centre. They are really really struggling.

I've got some magic beans I can sell you

There's a poor girl who was meant to work with us is still down with it 8 months later - she's 21, fit, doesn't drink and doesn't smoke. Denying it exists is either just being argumentative or stupid tbh.

Denying it exists is being logical and rational. Something you wouldn't know about.