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Bring back  the railway vline to Clones.  Now , that would make  an enjoyable Ulster final day. Nobody   would care about  the roads  or parking then

It could happen!

Would that be a cross border railway route? Who'd pay for that? Would there be much objections from the local farmers? 

The railway to clones would service Belfast and where else? Newry? most of ulster wouldn't benefit.

Clones had lines to Enniskillen, Cavan, Armagh/Portadown and Dundalk (for Monaghan and South Armagh folk).
The line from Dundalk remained open for goods after regular passenger services stopped. My Da was on a special to the 1958 or perhaps 1959 Ulster final which was the last passenger train to run.

How did he get home?

Very good. On the same train, of course, sure where could it go only back the same way since the hoors in Fermanagh had lifted the line.

ANd only 4/6 from Cullaville

Emmm, the Brits call it Cullaville, and the Irish call it Culloville.

So what does that make you? lol

Solution:  Baile Mhic Cullach. 

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I was in The Cusack so a bit further away than Gough who was on the 40. A linesman was also around the 40. You can clearly see a coming together instigated by Costello that leaves the Kerry player on the ground holding his stomach/groin area.

Even TV commentary picked up on Costello getting away with it. Your point is?
I was there on Sunday to enjoy the  final, not officiate it. Did you see it "in real time?"

No and that is the point. None of the officials saw it. Simple explanation.

But they did see it. Watch the game, you can see Gough sees it, runs to Costello and then moves the ball in for him mouthing off.

If you are saying a Ref, Linesman & two Umpires all with sight lines of it somehow all missed the punch but yet still awarded a free then Id have to suggest they are either pretty poor at their jobs or bottled it.

You didn't see it (ie the punch, as opposed to the foul - you just saw a coming together, same as Gough) from the elevated vantage point of the Cusack Stand?

I was in The Cusack so a bit further away than Gough who was on the 40. A linesman was also around the 40. You can clearly see a coming together instigated by Costello that leaves the Kerry player on the ground holding his stomach/groin area.

Even TV commentary picked up on Costello getting away with it. Your point is?
I was there on Sunday to enjoy the  final, not officiate it. Did you see it "in real time?"

No and that is the point. None of the officials saw it. Simple explanation.

[Nobody is yet to explain how Gough and his officials missed Costello throwing a punch and getting away with it?]

What were the two reds you talked about? Black I'm not sure on tbh - someone said it but I don't buy it.

Head high challenges

Dangerous/reckless play/intentional striking

I get why people might think that McCarthy should have been put off but there were not two straight red card offences in that game or everyone would be talking about it. Red for persistent fouling maybe but two straight reds no. Otherwise why wasn't it being talked about by everyone?

Exactly. Some haven't got over their disappointment yet and I understand that. Time is a sort of healer. What we really need to avoid is expecting ever ref to get every call right, in one viewing and in a split second. Impossible.

Who said McCarthy had a single red card offence?  He definitely was guilty of numerous challenges that normally would be generally accepted as Yellow/Black Card offences. The accumulation would have resulted in him being sidelined as per the rules of the game.

Nobody is yet to explain how Gough and his officials missed Costello throwing a punch and getting away with it?

I actually like Gough as a Referee but when he is put in charge of The Dubs in pressure games he has a tendency to let them cross the line.

It is well documented that he was effectively their In house Referee
The GAA should have more cop on and stop making problems for itself.

It can be explained.  Can I ask first if you were at the match or watched in on tv?

I was at the game & have re-watched it as well. Why whats your point?

Did you see Costello throw the punch in real time?

[Nobody is yet to explain how Gough and his officials missed Costello throwing a punch and getting away with it?]

What were the two reds you talked about? Black I'm not sure on tbh - someone said it but I don't buy it.

Head high challenges

Dangerous/reckless play/intentional striking

I get why people might think that McCarthy should have been put off but there were not two straight red card offences in that game or everyone would be talking about it. Red for persistent fouling maybe but two straight reds no. Otherwise why wasn't it being talked about by everyone?

Exactly. Some haven't got over their disappointment yet and I understand that. Time is a sort of healer. What we really need to avoid is expecting ever ref to get every call right, in one viewing and in a split second. Impossible.

Who said McCarthy had a single red card offence?  He definitely was guilty of numerous challenges that normally would be generally accepted as Yellow/Black Card offences. The accumulation would have resulted in him being sidelined as per the rules of the game.

Nobody is yet to explain how Gough and his officials missed Costello throwing a punch and getting away with it?

I actually like Gough as a Referee but when he is put in charge of The Dubs in pressure games he has a tendency to let them cross the line.

It is well documented that he was effectively their In house Referee
The GAA should have more cop on and stop making problems for itself.

It can be explained.  Can I ask first if you were at the match or watched in on tv?

Where is the Rian O'Neill video?

Seen it, earlier as said not sure how it started but seen how it was finished

But where do we see it at?

Not sure, someone sent it to me, Twitter?

Assumed I would see it on twitter, couldn't find it.

Does it even exist?!

What were the two reds you talked about? Black I'm not sure on tbh - someone said it but I don't buy it.

Head high challenges

Dangerous/reckless play/intentional striking

I get why people might think that McCarthy should have been put off but there were not two straight red card offences in that game or everyone would be talking about it. Red for persistent fouling maybe but two straight reds no. Otherwise why wasn't it being talked about by everyone?

Exactly. Some haven't got over their disappointment yet and I understand that. Time is a sort of healer. What we really need to avoid is expecting ever ref to get every call right, in one viewing and in a split second. Impossible.

O'Rourke and, Spillane jibbed Brolly a few weeks bck about managing a team, say would someone give him a £150k and he would. Now he looking a job in politics on half the pay. Lad starting to becoming the biggest attention seeker. Away from football, he went down alot in my estimation when he provided legal assistance for Winston Irvine. What politically group would take him, Not Sinn Fein or the, SDLP.

Not even Aontú. The revisionist picture he is painting more frequently now relating to the troubles and some areas within the county is particularly worrying. As is the fact he is 'believed' by the media without any real evidence being given. Almost as if inuendo is the new truth.

He body checked a man (high too) after the ball was gone, and he could pulled out, how was that not a black card

WW let him at it. He will argue black is white for the sake of sticking up for a fellow Referee. He was on here arguing about decisions then admitted he had not even seen all incidents.

Conveniently left out the Costello strike that was clear as day.

Gough had a bad day with the big decision. McCarthy regardless of the amount of fouls was endangering oppopponents in his manner and style of tackling, with little or o attempt made to play the ball.

Overall, Gough had a good game and did not over-influence the final outcome. When the game was there to be won in the final 8 minutes, Dublin had the composure to do so, Kerry didn't.

History is written by the victorious

If McCarthy had gotten a (deserved) red card early on and Dublin lost the game by a narrow margin everyone would be singing a different tune

If Derry had taken their scores, Kerry wouldn't have been in the final. If Clifford had taken his chances, Kerry would have won the final. There are lots of tunes. Mind you, if Con hadn't hit the bar and a double bounce been called ... if ... if. No point in blaming Gough. Overall he did a good job.

According to the BBC today, Joe Brolly would consider a future in politics. This is great news! 😜

He body checked a man (high too) after the ball was gone, and he could pulled out, how was that not a black card

WW let him at it. He will argue black is white for the sake of sticking up for a fellow Referee. He was on here arguing about decisions then admitted he had not even seen all incidents.

Conveniently left out the Costello strike that was clear as day.

Gough had a bad day with the big decision. McCarthy regardless of the amount of fouls was endangering oppopponents in his manner and style of tackling, with little or o attempt made to play the ball.

Overall, Gough had a good game and did not over-influence the final outcome. When the game was there to be won in the final 8 minutes, Dublin had the composure to do so, Kerry didn't.

From gaelicstatsman

David Clifford needs 0-5 or more to top the overall list for this year

It's all to play for the 'from play' list, Colm Basquel (30), Con O'Callaghan (29) and Clifford (28) all involved in the All Ireland final

Did Shane McGuigan point at the end to give himself a better chance at top scorer.....?

No, he did not.

If he's as good as the Derry folk say it can be the only reasonable explanation

You're on a roll WT4E!

Fair play to McGuigan on Top Scorer award took some balls to go for the point but worked out for him in the end. 

Apparently that is why Clifford deliberately missed a sitter to equalise at the end yesterday, so that McGuigan could win it.  Nice gesture.

Sorry meant to also say Shane and Brendan definitely deserve All-stars this year imo

Both picked on the RTÉ Sunday Game team of the year last night which will do their chances no harm.  Also Conor McCluskey.

As a Derry man, I can't say I am Goughs biggest fan, his inconsistency in booking players from how he treated McKaigue in the semi final for minimal contact on Cliford in particular really annoyed me. If McKaigue had of tackled Clifford in the same manner McCarthy hit a number of tackles he wouldn't have seen the last twenty minutes of the game. McKaigue will have watched yesterdays game and felt persecuted.

As a Derry man, have you got the right ref?!!

1. Beggan
2. McCluskey.  3. Fitzsimmons. 4. T O'Sullivan
5. O'Connell 6. J McCarthy. 7. White
    8. Fenton.  9. Rogers
10. P Clifford.  11. Basquel.  12. Smith
13. Clifford.  14. McGuigan. 15. Costello

Can't see Beggan getting in over Cluxton/Ryan/Lynch tbh.
As much as I'd like to see mcluskey in, 3 for an Semi-finalist probably won't happen.
I could see McManus getting one.
But I'd say you're not too far away in general there.

Mc Carthy of Monaghan will get one.

Very possibly, I think it'll be between him and O'Connell. If there's one from outside the semifinalists it'll be between Enda Smith and D Canavan both of whom had great seasons.

Andy Murnin was the best player outside of the 4 semi finalists. Smith had a great season as well and it would be hard to begrudge him an award though I don't think he'll get it.

A 19 year old rookie easily dealt with Murnin.

Murnin had a great year (whether that is enough to get an All-Star given how the system works is debatable) Trying to deny that is simply madness. One arm wrestle of a match does not ruin a whole season for him.

It was the one on one duals he lost with McEvoy that stood out for me, in Murnin's biggest game of the year. Hard to get an all star after that. I agree he had a good season otherwise, but who of the following does he get in the all star ff line ahead of: Clifford, McGuigan, Costello, Mannion, Basquel, Con, McManus?

I don't remember him losing out on any one-on-one duels against ANYONE all year. The All-Star system would have got him in ahead of some of those players you list if Armagh had have made an AI semi.  Not many of those players you list had to come the field and be a ball-winning option the way Murnin was used this year. A colossus.

Christ you boys over hype him something serious!

Totally - nowhere near an All Star.  Some of his kamakazi leaps seem to lack judgement and co-ordination.  Lucky not to injury himself badly a few times this year.  Bravery no doubt but needs to be more controlled.