Trump and Farage had a "tea party" today
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Show posts MenuQuote from: seafoid on November 12, 2016, 03:25:27 PM
It doesn't look good with people like Pamela Geller and John Bolton prominent
Quote from: easytiger95 on October 25, 2016, 07:05:03 PM
You forgot Benghazi - or are we finally accepting that the nine - NINE - separate probes into that event, which found her not to be responsible, are now legitimate?
FBI Director Comey is aware of all the "facts" above - and yet, in a remarkably partisan press conference, stated he was unable to prove any illegality connected with Hillary Clinton, or indeed any grounds for prosecuting any charges against her. Not particularly remarkable, given that previous Secretaries had maintained their own email servers.
Nor is it particularly remarkable that 30,000 emails were deleted, given that the server was maintaining both her business and personal mails - personal mails which the FBI knew full well they had no right to probe. The point is proven even more by the Wikileaks dumps, which show no illegalities (so far), but just the ordinary, wearying cynicism of political sausage making (or risotto-preparing).
Also the FBI have been leaking selectively ever since the Comey conference and they still don't have anything to force an indictment.
And as for her staff wiping the server and destroying devices no longer in use - that is standard security. The fact that they used a hammer does not confer criminality on their actions - it just makes most people wish they had been more tech savvy re their security, maintained separate servers and allowed the Department of State to make those arrangements.
But the "system" is protecting her.
And yet, we have a candidate on the opposing side who has a record of bankruptcies, lawsuits for non payment of debts, has confessed himself on tape to non-consensual sexual activity, has been accused by 11 women of such, has been forced to pay a fine for sending money to an Attorney General in Florida, just after she dropped an investigation into a bogus university scam, has never released one tax return (despite her doing so herself, and despite continuing evidence that he has had to source loans from foreign banks, whilst maintaining people on his pay roll with close attachments to the Russian government) has encouraged said Russian government to interfere in the electoral process by hacking her, has as an advisor a man who just two days ago said there may not be an election in 2020 (the lovely Roger Stone), is encouraging crowds at his rallies to abuse the press (there was some footage yesterday of Trump supporters calling the media "lugenpresse" or lying press, a phrase popularised by Hitler during the last years of the Weimar Republic), and has encouraged and nurtured far right and racist elements to rally to his banner.
There's loads more.
Now, I know what you will say - "I know all this and I'd vote for Hillary above him in a swing state...but Hillary is as bad as him. And I wish my Irish facebook friends would shut up about her."
That is not a sustainable position. There are different levels of wrong doing - which is why there are misdemeanours and felonies. But the constant false equivalency that you and others apply to both candidates serves not to expose Clinton, but to normalise Trump. There are no comparisons between the two. Clinton is possibly the most investigated public figure in American politics, maybe world politics, and all you can come up with is all sizzle, no steak, and a hope that a Hail Mary from Wikileaks is going to derail her.
And if it does? When Herr Trump is trashing the most important democratic document ever written and maybe some of the lads in Worcester and Boston are being taken away to ICE internment camps as well as the Muslims and Mexicans, when you need to keep your Green Card close in case you still have your accent, when ethnicity rather than character is the guarantor of American Citizenship - I hope your vote for Jill Stein makes sure that your conscience is clean. Washing your hands of it doesn't wash.
Maybe using a hammer wasn't so important, after all?
Quote from: whitey on September 28, 2016, 08:05:39 PMQuote from: omochain on September 28, 2016, 05:50:47 PMQuote from: whitey on September 28, 2016, 04:01:49 PMQuote from: seafoid on September 28, 2016, 03:51:41 PMQuote from: omochain on September 27, 2016, 06:28:39 PMGreat post. a vote for Trump would be another vote against their own interest.
Hillary crushed the orange but it doesn't matter.
"The middle finger of the American electorate" wants to vent so badly they cannot process a rational thought. They just want somebody to show up in Washington and blow government up.
Consequences be damned.
Remember these people have been voting against their economic self interest for 30 years. They know they have been shafted and are determined to have their revenge. They support Trump because he is the one most likely to throw a hand grenade into the system that shafted them.
Hillary needs the support of rational Republicans to pull this one off.
I am praying but worried.
A lot of white bluecollar GOP voters have Ulster Protestant roots. The community has a problem with demagogues and arseholes who call themselves leaders.
I don't know if I buy the whole "voting against your economic self interest" line
If you work, and are a middle wage earner many Democratic proposals or agenda items would be enough to put you in the poor house.
Could you please tell me which proposals and agenda items you are referring to?
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/07/26/why-these-union-members-and-lifelong-democrats-are-voting-trump.html
Quote from: whitey on September 28, 2016, 04:01:49 PMQuote from: seafoid on September 28, 2016, 03:51:41 PMQuote from: omochain on September 27, 2016, 06:28:39 PMGreat post. a vote for Trump would be another vote against their own interest.
Hillary crushed the orange but it doesn't matter.
"The middle finger of the American electorate" wants to vent so badly they cannot process a rational thought. They just want somebody to show up in Washington and blow government up.
Consequences be damned.
Remember these people have been voting against their economic self interest for 30 years. They know they have been shafted and are determined to have their revenge. They support Trump because he is the one most likely to throw a hand grenade into the system that shafted them.
Hillary needs the support of rational Republicans to pull this one off.
I am praying but worried.
A lot of white bluecollar GOP voters have Ulster Protestant roots. The community has a problem with demagogues and arseholes who call themselves leaders.
I don't know if I buy the whole "voting against your economic self interest" line
If you work, and are a middle wage earner many Democratic proposals or agenda items would be enough to put you in the poor house.