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Another question for you Roger: do you think it was right, that before 1805 the non-Established Church Protestants (aka Dissenters, i.e., anything but Church of Ireland/Anglicans) were prohibited from joining the Orange Order?

I have no opinion on it.

No, you said that moral people oppose the NI state. 

You now simply state that unionists are wrong, since they want to remain part of the UK and have no desire to ever change that.  Therefore I presume that you think they are immoral and that's not a word too far removed from scum.

The north is on the island of Ireland which makes it part of Ireland and not Britain in my opinion.

I find no fault with that at all.  Ireland is not a state but simply an island.

I can only conclude that your view on unionists is that they are scum.

Don't put words in my mouth.

You said unionists are immoral.

I feel no sympathy for Keane.  One of the most unlikable people in sport imo.

Easily annoyed lads.

No; seriously?   

I can only conclude that your view on unionists is that they are scum.

Where is the 'mentalist' smiley on this board???

Well do you not accept that nationalists find the name insulting and represents all that was bad about the era of unionist domination?
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Your question infers that nationalists have a right to be anti-British and that unionists should just suck it up and carry some sort of guilt that needs to be paid for, on behalf of people who they weren't born to witness.  That postition has nothing to do with equality, shared future or your Ireland of Equals that is the usual smoke screen for the real motivation and intent and to disguise the real shape of things to come. 

I wouldn't have a problem with a nationalist being minister.  I would have a problem if SF had the ministry though.

Is this down to the party, or the individuals capabilities?

Down to trust.  I'm happy enough with some of the SF people.  For example I think Conor Murphy is one of the better MLAs in the whole place and his ministery is well run.  I would not want him anywhere near justice though, he has 'previous' with regards to Justice but not Regional Development.  I suppose it's a case of time elapsing to build trust.  It might not be right, but it's pragmatic given the recent past and the seriousness of the department.

He wont be anywhere near Justice.....That will be UUP, DUP or more than likely a compromise Alliance. That Naomi Long blade actually is quite articulate and knows what she's doing so might be half decent at it...

I think under the D'Hondt system the next minstery is due to go to the SDLP.  I wouldn't have a problem with that party providing the minister.  I don't see the objection of them but presume it must be more to do with sorting processes out now so that SF cannot get that ministery at some stage in future.

I wouldn't have a problem with a nationalist being minister.  I would have a problem if SF had the ministry though.

Is this down to the party, or the individuals capabilities?

Down to trust.  I'm happy enough with some of the SF people.  For example I think Conor Murphy is one of the better MLAs in the whole place and his ministery is well run.  I would not want him anywhere near justice though, he has 'previous' with regards to Justice but not Regional Development.  I suppose it's a case of time elapsing to build trust.  It might not be right, but it's pragmatic given the recent past and the seriousness of the department.

Fair enough, thanks.

No worries. 

Since there has been no unfavourable plebiscite that you talk about, do you accept that Northern Ireland exists, is not part of the Republic of Ireland, is an integral part of the UK and has the right to determine its own constitutional future?

Yes.

Fair play. 

Could you get some of the others on here to talk as straight as you?

Do you live there? This is highly Political and nothing to do with changing a name back or ease of speaking or however it is dressed up for disguising partisan and narrow minded parochial and anti-British sentiment.  As I am constantly reminded on this board, by you included, those days of sectarianism and showing who is boss are gone and anyone who thinks like that is a dinasaur and neanderthal.  You fall into your own category of contempt.

What does it matter where I live? It's a town in my country just like Cobh, Dún Laoghaire or Craigavon for that matter and as a republican and anti-colonialist, I'm naturally going to reassert my country's sovereignty by ridding it of reminders of an unpleasant past.

But aside from that, the problem here is the unionist refusal to accept the reality of that past and accept that if you want to get on with your neighbours you should show them a little respect. Wheeling out the name of that town at every opportunity is as insulting to your neighbours as painting "Dirty Fenian cnuts, know your place!" across their back fence. Sometimes the respectful thing to do if your neighbour infringes a little on your space, is to say nothing and keep your domineering tendencies to yourself - particularly if that senile oul b**tard of a grandfather of yours burnt the neighbours house to the ground.

Where is the 'mentalist' smiley on this board???

Why not just put it to a vote now Roger then. If more people who actually live there we'll call it Derry if not then I'll even call it LondonDerry....Same old Unionist rhetoric the same as happened with the maze stadium..If the NI team/ Linfield don't like we'll stop it all happening .Don't like change...don't give a inch...Sick listening to it....there has to be give and take on both sides!

Its not all one way this peace process lads.

It was put to the vote in 1998.  The process is clear.  You just can't cry 'equality' or 'parity of esteem' when it doesn't suit and then go into an anti-unionist (plus out of nowhere Linfield and Maze) outburst when it does. It's not all one way this process. At least be consistent. Suck it up.

Exactly Roger its not all a one way process...it works both ways...Now just a example..I watched a debate in stormont the other night which happened to go on for about 8 hrs...But the whole jist of the whole debate centered around the notion that a nationalist can't be the new justice minister! Why because if they do then it wont have cross community support. So sinn Fein are going to allow this but the SDLP are up in arms. ( because sinn fein recognise that if they went for justice minister it would be up roar, so stood down)


Now do you think if the same situation was put to any unionist parties would they do the same?

I wouldn't have a problem with a nationalist being minister.  I would have a problem if SF had the ministry though. 

Fair enough, thanks.

No worries. 

Since there has been no unfavourable plebiscite that you talk about, do you accept that Northern Ireland exists, is not part of the Republic of Ireland, is an integral part of the UK and has the right to determine its own constitutional future?

Straight question for you Roger (and none of the 'hypothetical' crap please): should a plebiscite in the not too distant future in the six counties return a majority for a reunited Ireland, would you accept it peaceably and without recourse?

Yes.