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Emotions run high in championship games - these Minor fellas are still maturing and they all have plenty of learning to do.

And no doubt those Tyrone lads have learned a valuable lesson.
How were they to know that goading an opposition player about his deceased father could be so hurtful?
They're not taught this stuff in school.

You are working on the basis that EVERYTHING in the paper is 100% true...imagine if it wasn't, eh?

This culture has been fostered for a number of years and no coaches demanded the players stop... Harte was happy to let it continue on his watch. Is not enough to say you don't coach it. Is an onus to stop it. Now we have this from a young player... it is sickeneing.

Very blinkered and naive view to think that one manager from one county and a few players are the only ones...bordering on stupid to he honest and Im not trying to offend you by saying that....

That you dont like Tyrone, thats fine...i personally couldn't give a f**k what you think about tyrone...but to put the blame on one man, regardless of who he is...to say that its ONLY tyrone is just stupid

Lads - take a run through the posts and do a count on the number of times you read "If this is true..."

work out the rest from there

Take a look through the posts and shake your head in shame at your posts above .

You guys run around on the moral high ground until your noses bleed but I hate to disappoint you on this:
- we don't coach this shit in Tyrone
- we don't condone it in Tyrone
- every sport is at their worst
- every county is at their worst

Shake my head in shame at what? at the fact that you are the only perfect GAA fan on this site? That Tyrone are the ONLY county?

FOR f**k SAKE GROW UP - i have yet to see a Tyrone or Ulster GAA Fan celebrate the news headlines this last few days, but if you are telling me that I should believe everything that i read in a newspaper or what i hear on the radio, then I'm not prepared to debate f**k all with someone like you

Lads - take a run through the posts and do a count on the number of times you read "If this is true..."

work out the rest from there

Emotions run high in championship games - these Minor fellas are still maturing and they all have plenty of learning to do.

The journalists are a different breed and have little to learn - Brendan Devinney is a decent enough fella trying to make a name for himself in journalism, and this is a home grown story which gives him the chance to get an "exclusive" out there...the same fella would have sledged the balls of you...Ive been on pints with him and he knows the craic.

Last weeks game provided us with two of the so-called dirtiest teams around, yet provided a fairly decent game, and guess what...NO Calls for any rule changes? The media would have been looking at this game as the greatest opportunity to highlight the need for rule changes...but the game gave them nothing to write about....so they take the incident in the tunnel and turn it into a scene from Ferguson. They then turn Justin McMahon s performance into Silence of the lambs....and now some "he-said, she said" narrative that we will never really hear the honest version off...

The newspapers have all taken a guttural turn - all dumbing down to a level where everything is based on the Joe Brolly "a man i know said.." routine....

I'd say they will be champing at the bit to but another knife into Ulster after this weekend...

Sledging will be a part of the game - and indeed all field sports - until the lads start wearing microphones.
And then when the mic comes in.....

"You're a w**ker" = ticking
"I've rid your sister" = black card
"Id LIKE To ride your sister" = yellow card
"Can i ride your sister?" = red card

Blad de blah de blah

To say that Tyrone or Ulster teams are the worst or the only team to sledge is simply bullshit.
Its something which can never be monitored especially by a bunch of keyboard warriors like us who only get to sit about 6 foot from the TV and watch a live broad cast or highlights - which means we are only as clued in as a cameraman at best or at worst Joe brolly...no referee has ever written about it or made wild comparisons and they are the ones with the most knowledge on the subject, given that they are close to the action and have experience of different teams...every county is as bad as each other...and for fans of a county claim that "their great bunch of lads' would never do such a thing is wide of the mark.

Ulster for too long as been an easy target because any commentator representing Ulster, excluding big Tohil, NEVER makes a stand and simply capitulates to the bias from Spillane AND from Brolly too

Lads, perspective...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpFFmlAPCek
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wms4uWzB9T0

and...(short memories)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xeavnsUTLE

Sunday's game was childsplay compared to this tr**p-actin'...

Im surprised that the Tyrone "Blue" alternative kit never took off

I am actually embarrassed by Sean. After the game Murphy was interviewed about what went on and dismissed it saying it was nothing. It is not the first time our captain has ran to the papers - Mickey Harte should put a ban on him talking. The reason why I am embarrassed as that on Sunday after Murphy took a freekick Cavanagh ran up to him and started clapping in his face which is why Murphy ran at him - double standards here Mr Cavanagh. Please say other Tyrone supports feel the same and make sure that people know this isn't the views of us.
I though Sunday's game was excellent, a real Championship match! It wasn't the lack-lustre low scoring match must people predicted.

I would have to agree...he maybe a class footballer and as a qualified accountant he's worked hard at the books, but the lad cannot talk articulately....would keep the camera away from him!

I've no love for Tyrone but as an Armagh man I feel they're getting unfair criticism over this game (and other games too). sure they committed a few extra frees in the last few minutes but who wouldn't when winning by 1pt in an All Ireland Final, when you get to that stage in a game you will do whatever it takes to win a game and see it out. They were no worse than Tipp during the course of the game and if Tipp had have done a few additional fouls at the end of the game to win there wouldn't be a word about it but because it's Tyrone it's different.

The Tipp management needs to catch themselves on too, v bad sportsmanship and not usually the norm within the GAA. Accept your defeat, congratulate your opponents and move on. The best team won the match and that's the end of it.

Fair play

did anyone notice Adrian Logan couping the whole thing out again last night via YouTube and having the fight with Woolberto on twitter....good old logie only 4 days late this time....let it go dude, just let it go...

Even if this thread gets to 1,000 pages, it still only represents the muttering and yapping of an insignifcant few...one of the lads has a wee line under his name which says "if you were any use, you'd be playing"...or something like that.

The more you try and attack, the more we try and defend, and the more we try and defend, the more you try and attack...ultimately there none of us high level coaches or players...maybe some that were and some that could be....but to paraphrase your man "if we had any sense, we'd be working..."

Each to their own and good luck your respective seasons - seasons which now suggest great possibility for every county...getting  a run in the qualifiers, getting to a provincial final, last four, all Ireland winner....each team will have a goal and each management team will be doing their best to get as far as they can in their respective tournaments.

Ideally I would like to see tyrone get to an all ireland final and win it, playing beautiful football, the way you all remember your own counties playing it in the golden years, but realistically, Id settle for a better year than last year and a good run in the qualifiers with some of those u21s getting a run at a place.

All irelands dont come along every year - even for kerry. And what our team did at the weekend was fulfil the aspirations of every u21 player on the island....win an all ireland.

I'm happy to let them revel in their greatness even if it may only be for one day

Hey! Who are you calling insignificant? I'm a legend in my own mind.

I was obviously thinking of Syferus when i wrote that!!!

Even if this thread gets to 1,000 pages, it still only represents the muttering and yapping of an insignifcant few...one of the lads has a wee line under his name which says "if you were any use, you'd be playing"...or something like that.

The more you try and attack, the more we try and defend, and the more we try and defend, the more you try and attack...ultimately there none of us high level coaches or players...maybe some that were and some that could be....but to paraphrase your man "if we had any sense, we'd be working..."

Each to their own and good luck your respective seasons - seasons which now suggest great possibility for every county...getting  a run in the qualifiers, getting to a provincial final, last four, all Ireland winner....each team will have a goal and each management team will be doing their best to get as far as they can in their respective tournaments.

Ideally I would like to see tyrone get to an all ireland final and win it, playing beautiful football, the way you all remember your own counties playing it in the golden years, but realistically, Id settle for a better year than last year and a good run in the qualifiers with some of those u21s getting a run at a place.

All irelands dont come along every year - even for kerry. And what our team did at the weekend was fulfil the aspirations of every u21 player on the island....win an all ireland.

I'm happy to let them revel in their greatness even if it may only be for one day

I've had enough...I'm away to Galbally here and given the boys a hand in training. Peter Donnelly is holding a "dragging and pulling" seminar for pregnant women...getting them early.

Still a bit unbelievable that none of the Tyrone supporters will admit to the blatantly obvious about their own team. Look, you had good footballers but if you can't see something institutional about the cynicism - which in both the AISF and AI final this year went so far as to seriously endanger the health of their opponents on numerous occasions in an attempt to win - then there really is no point in the rest of us trying to converse with you. Tyrone (and Donegal under Jim) have a win at all costs mentality that goes above and beyond what most other counties are willing to do. Trying to distract from that fact with an incident where a Tipp player stamped on a Tyrone player doesn't really wash with most people either.

Live in the world where it's all one great big media conspiracy.

im not sure what your point is - seriously. do you really think that Tyrone coach cynicism at all levels? Just because Joe Brolly said it on tv therefor it MUST be true...?

I don't profess to have any knowledge of what Tyrone teach or preach behind closed doors but the mentality is plain for anyone to see. Maybe it's just in the ether in the county now and every young team takes up the mantle of the teams they grew up watching. I doubt the players are being told to stop it and they continually take the field and ignore the wishes of their coaches - if it isn't being coached it certainly isn't being actively coached against. Whatever the case it exists and it's something Tyrone would be better off without.

I would say that the younger players try and emulate the older ones for sure - but i suspect that if youngsters want to be copying sean cavanagh they have a greater body of work to copy from in terms of point taking against mcmanus pull downs.

my point is that everyone is throwing stones in their own glass house....the media have made tyrone unpopular and they certainly are not the only team that want to win with the team they have...Kerry, cork, donegal, cavan, Monaghan, armagh all do their best to win 0- at all costs and Id arguably say that only Mayo and Dublin are teams in any way able to take the moral high ground...and to that i'd say just watch what dublin and mayo do to win this year

Absolute horsehit. Tyrone have made tyrone unpopular.

Whether it was kneeing opponents in the back, sourcing opponents girlsfriends numbers and reciting them over and over to their opponents during matches, spitting, gouging- I'm struggling to think of the last time Martin Breheny did that.


Could you point one out please.

Tyrone have a rap sheet because they created it- nobody else

Really?
Stephen O'Neill v Cork in Anthony Lynch in 2009
Peter Harte v Mayo 2013
Dooher, Canavan, mcBride v Meath 1996
McKeever v cavanagh 2014

you ask any of the 1993-94 Down team and they will tell you that Derry were a dirty shower...but given that there were only 1-2 cameras, the stuff stayed well hidden...its not a new thing and its not a tyrone thing

You have a myopic view of Tyrone - Im not saying we are saints but the media have unquestionably exacerbated the situation, lead by Brolly, Cummiskey et al

in 2005 or 2006 Paul galvin hit Kieran mcgeeny 3 times in 20 minutes - all illegal....Cavan, Donegal, Cork...f**k sake...every team have their moments...it is what it is....

hardly the fault of u21s or the assumption that the managers have systematically coached players from an early age? Sure thing joe brolly...

I don't have a myopic view. We'd plenty of hard men in Dublin over the years who went well overboard on the pitch but I'd never suggest it was a media conspiracy that highlighted the offences or were responsible for committing them. That's pure horseshit. I'd never ask for a free pass for them. They are damned by their own God damn actions. There is one or two individuals on the current Dublin team I wouldn't have involved for that reason.

You have chosen a certain way to play the game in the last 12 years. Grow up and accept the consequences that come with it.

If you don't want the media to analyse it- take your ball and go home with and petition the GAA to put all your games behind closed doors.

You've had some great footballers but also some downright nasty characters playing for you over the last 12 years and in the last 3-4 years I've seen both your minors and u21's engaged in ruthless cynical tackling off and on the ball.

don't tell me that having being involved in coaching for 35 years that this isn't practiced and rehearsed on the training pitch and it's simply "all down to the players" Players re-iterate what they do on the training pitch- its why teams train.

You won the u21 on Saturday and good luck to you but spare us the poor mouth stories of being victimised by the media. If you want to change the message- change the story and play the game a different way. Until then put a sock in it and accept the consequences that come with it.

Big deal if the Tipp manager didn't want you in the dressing room. He wasn't happy with what went on and that's his democratic right. We don't need the likes of Philip Jordan tweeting what an embarassement it was. There was a few characters that Philip played with that were an embarassement as well but he won't tweet about that.

when you calm down, take a read at what i posted about mirroring and how the young lads are likely to try and emulate the seniors...I know the players involved...and their managers, some better than others...and i can guarantee you that there is no systematic coaching...unless of course you believe everything Joe Brolly says...and your 35 year coaching has been at u14 level...just like Joe

Are these critics for real?
Tipperary disappointed me with their reactions post final.
Game over. They lost.
Had chances and didn't take them.
Ref was poor - what a shambles refereeing is in.
I think they should take their ire out on Croke Park and the whole officiating at games.
Have nothing but admiration for Tyrone. And I'm a Leinster man.

As a tyrone man, Im grateful to hear comments like that - I dont think we set out to please people but we certainly dont set out to attract the level of unwarranted criticism. Will take the heat when we deserve it for sure - this is a young team who played a great championship and as deserved winners would be allowed there moment in the spotlight - no guarantee it will be replicated...
GRMA