Quote from: sid waddell on May 16, 2018, 01:36:34 AMMust dive in and start brow beating someone who doesn't agree with me. You're as good as recruiting sergeant for a No vote as Peter Boylan.Quote from: The Boy Wonder on May 16, 2018, 01:03:48 AMCan you tell me why the vast majority of obstetricians, gynaecologists, midwives and GPs favour repeal?
Shakespeare said "The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose" so I'll join the copy & paste brigade:
"Irish Independent
14 May 2018
I am a practising consultant obstetrician in the Rotunda Hospital, now with 30 years' experience, and have previously served as Dean of Professional Competence in the Royal College of Physicians.
I have already put on record my concern regarding the false allegation that doctors are prevented from treating seriously ill women in pregnancy. I know that concern about this false allegation is shared by many in my profession.
I regret that I now feel obliged to add to these comments.
The risk to women's lives does not have to be imminent for doctors to take all necessary steps to protect women's lives and health. The current law and official guidelines are very clear in this regard.
I have never felt limited in my care of patients with sepsis, fulminating blood pressure, cancer, inevitable pregnancy loss, complex maternal illness, etc, when pregnancy was pre-viable.
Regarding the assertion that women have died because of the Eighth Amendment, Dr Peter Boylan cites as "evidence" three cases. On closer examination, however, none of these supports his contention.
The medical needs of the mother do not require removal of the Eighth Amendment.
I regret that there appears to be a campaign strategy to create a contrary impression in the minds of the public.
As persons trusted by the public to give expert advice and opinion, doctors should avoid giving inaccurate or misleading information whether to advance personal, political or philosophical views or not.
Mary Holohan FRCOG, FRCPI
Dublin 1"
It is extremely difficult to have a civil debate on this topic such are the polar opposite positions of those firmly in either camp. I'm in the NO camp and I explained my position previously - I am a conscientious objector to abortion as a choice where there are NO valid reasons for medical intervention to end a pregnancy and I believe that the 8th Amendment is a hugely important and positive element of our constitution. By voting NO I am simply using the democratic process to give my opinion on the ethos that I would wish for in our society. I do respect the opinions of those who will vote YES but I do not share their views and beliefs. I do not accept that a successful YES vote would be "progressive" given the inevitable normalisation over time of abortion on demand as has happened in UK, US etc.
The fact that our citizens travel to UK for abortions or purchase abortion pills online can never be used as valid reasons for legalising abortion in this country. We must cherish our independence and make the best decisions as we see fit for the common good of our citizens irrespective of the norms in other countries.
Given how each side of this debate is disrespecting each other at the moment it does not bode well for the post-referendum scenario irrespective of the outcome.
Why do those with the most knowledge favour repeal in the heaviest numbers?
Where's you evidence of above? How many of the 18,000 have come out in favour of repealing?