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From what I thought, i always would have thought Mooney as much more of a county man than a club man, from the impression I got anyway he seemed to care much more about Down GAA than rostrevor, so im rathered suprised that he would have walked from the county over not being able to play for Downpatrick. This may be the case indeed, but im still a tad suprised

Maybe missing another 2 club games was just too much, and RGU have had a few poor results so helping to keep his club in division 1 would be more appealing than a couple of games in a competition most players didn't want. You could maybe understand them being asked not to play next weekend, but not this weekend.

Down have a challenge match on Saturday apparently. Guess this is why county players have been asked not to play tomorrow.

Is the match on Saturday available to watch online ?

Probably on Beosport (Ulster GAA streaming service).

There's a link to it on Ulster GAA site - UlsterGAA TV I think it's called on their home page.

Was there many of the Down players that started fri night v Fermanagh in the team that lost to Tyrone in the leo murphy?

Is Ryan Magill out injured? Anyone else due to come back in?

About 6 I think started on Friday night that also started v Tyrone in Leo Murphy.

Magill and McCusker were suspended for Fermanagh. Likely that they'll be back Saturday.

Don't think there's anyone else to come back and young Donegan was stretchered off he might be out Saturday.

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Coming from Laverty's own club gave lads a serious advantage last year and the same this year from what I see. I hope this years lads don't let the show down like they did last year at the end.

Down Minors beat 3.13 - 1.07 and not a mention on our social media outlets. Would there be any chance that we could find out when our teams are playing games so we could go and watch them?

The number 4 Friday night would never make any other county team, you are right, Laverty will put the development of Kilcoo players first. His loyalty for Kilcoo cost him last year, letting the county down v Roscommon. The boy in question who is suspended has plenty of history eye gouging, and no doubt will be straight back in v Tyrone next week.

The senior set up goes from bad to worse, Kane back in goals after going on a stag last weekend, players laughing at management, our standards must have disappeared altogether.

Laughable, this team at U-17 were beaten by Fermanagh with 9 -11 starters from Burren and a Burren Manager! Laverty and Clarke have righted some wrongs.
Taking nothing away from the particular Burren team as they were very good but to say to all other clubs in the county that your service's isn't required because Burren are here was ridiculous.
Back to reality, they'll do very well to beat Tyrone. We're quite as strong as last year.

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You  can add another correction.

This was *not* the team that were  beaten by Fermanagh 2 years ago. They would be u19 now. Next years u20 is the year group beaten by Fermanagh.

I stand corrected on the date/year. I believe my point is still valid though.
I was simply pointing out some of the double standards read here.

You'll get a good comparison after Saturday.

This year group lost to Tyrone by 5 in minor c'ship 3 years ago - so that will give a pretty good indicator of progress - although some of the players will have changed obviously.

Last year was the group that missed out on minor due to the u18 to u17 change I believe, so they didn't have any minor results to compare with.

Coming from Laverty's own club gave lads a serious advantage last year and the same this year from what I see. I hope this years lads don't let the show down like they did last year at the end.

Down Minors beat 3.13 - 1.07 and not a mention on our social media outlets. Would there be any chance that we could find out when our teams are playing games so we could go and watch them?

The number 4 Friday night would never make any other county team, you are right, Laverty will put the development of Kilcoo players first. His loyalty for Kilcoo cost him last year, letting the county down v Roscommon. The boy in question who is suspended has plenty of history eye gouging, and no doubt will be straight back in v Tyrone next week.

The senior set up goes from bad to worse, Kane back in goals after going on a stag last weekend, players laughing at management, our standards must have disappeared altogether.

Laughable, this team at U-17 were beaten by Fermanagh with 9 -11 starters from Burren and a Burren Manager! Laverty and Clarke have righted some wrongs.
Taking nothing away from the particular Burren team as they were very good but to say to all other clubs in the county that your service's isn't required because Burren are here was ridiculous.
Back to reality, they'll do very well to beat Tyrone. We're quite as strong as last year.

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You  can add another correction.

This was *not* the team that were  beaten by Fermanagh 2 years ago. They would be u19 now. Next years u20 is the year group beaten by Fermanagh.

Mainly dominated by Burren and the south Down elite. Disappointed Bredagh have no reps on the squad as they would have played at div 1 minor

Bredagh weren't in Div1 minor in 2019 which would be this age group - plus they have a few players in the squad I think. They obviously didn't make the team.

As for the south down bit it's a 6/9 split from the team sheet- if Sean Og McC was available it would probably be 7/8 - can't get any more even than that in an odd numbered team.

All this talk of underage. Any idea of a starting 15 for Friday night v Fermanagh. Would there be tmany of the minor teams of 2 years ago when fermanagh dumped a very fancied Down out on their arses under a very underwhelming mccartan and poacher management team.

Starting team out for u20s this evening on Ulster gaa website.

Only 2 from last year's final starting.

About 5 of that minor team from 2 years ago you mentioned - although this is not their year as such (those lads would be u19 this year).

Will be a tough enough match I think - don't know much about Fermanagh but a few of that St Michael's team that won the Hogan in 2019 are bound to be playing.

You are basing this on a challenge against a team they are likely to face in the championship in 6 weeks ? Do you think by any chance there might have been a few players missing, a few players playingout of position, hiding of a few tactical ploys? If not I'd be surprised and extremely disappointed in Lavertys footballing intelligence.

On a side note was the under 20s coaches training the seniors during the week ?  What does that tell u about our senior setup ...

My thinking also. Leo murphy is 3 friendlies. Didn't Down u20s hammer everyone in sight in it 2 years ago to then lose to Donegal in the championship. While Down have a very poor record v Tyrone at all levels in the last 25 years I wouldn't be too bothered about a preseason loss.

U20 Lineup on Saturday (again from memory and some of the starters were wearing sub jerseys).

1 T Burns
2 M Hynds
3 R Magill
4 J Kane
5 P McCarthy
6 C Rodgers
7 P McEvoy
8 S Donegan
9 S Carr
10 J Rodgers
11 C McLoughlin
12 O Savage
13 S McCusker
14 P Clancy
15  L Clarke

Couple of things on last years team:

To say they only won because of a easy draw is whataboutery and takes away from the young lads achievement. They can only beat who's in front of them and to be fair there's been a few times in recent years where a so called 'favourable draw' has proved not to be the case (like the minors a couple of years back v Fermanagh). Anyone who watched last year's team will know they were a good team and I would say would have had a good chance even if they had have drawn some of the 'super powers'. We'll never know but that shouldn't detract from their achievement.

This year's panel is nearly a completely different team from last year - only 2 starters from last year have played so far - a few more from the panel still in there but I think Sean Og was only one to get championship match time last year.

Total clearout of midfield and forward line from last year. Last years group of forwards in particular were a good crop and would be hard to replace them all.

Looking at Saturday they were dominated in midfield and nothing stuck up front.

Would need O Murdock back to midfield (not sure if that will happen now he's in senior panel) and J McGovern back up front (soccer commitments might not allow this) to strengthen team.

Obviously a few missing as well this week - not sure if it was illness/injury or just CL playing his cards close to his chest. Probably a combination of both.

Tyrone next week will give a better indication of how they are doing.

Where is Tyrone game???
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Garvaghey - keep an eye on the Down website if you're thinking of going - throw in time has changed a couple of times already.

U20's beat Antrim 3.5 to 0.9 in Ballykinlar. Anyone at it?

Bit late on this one - team from memory (could be wrong on 1 or 2 of them) was

1 C Grant

2 M Hynds
3 R Magill
4 A Cole

5 C Rodgers
6 P McCarthy
7 P McEvoy

8 S Donegan
9 S Carr

10 O Cunningham
11 P Clancy
12 H. Magill

13 O Savage
14 A Crimmins
15 S McCusker

Rest of Kilcoo lads back this week.

Tough conditions with the wind.

Reasonable 1st half built up enough of a lead to get over the line. Antrim outscored them in 2nd half. But Down had more goal chances but didn't take them.

Lots of subs as you would expect early in the season - guess the management are still working out their best team.

Tyrone next week will give a better indication of how they are doing.

U20's beat Louth by 3. Anyone any idea of the team line or the squad for the year, Louth GAA had their team up on social media, Down useless once again.

1 A Murdock

2 E Swail
3 R Magill
4 T Magee

5 S Close
6 P McCarthy
7 T Hardy

8 S Donegan
9 P McEvoy

10 M Hynds
11 O Savage
12 O Cunningham

13 J Rodgers
14 P Clancy
15 J Tunney

The U20 Football Development League returns after a year's absence next month.

The competition will help teams prepare for the All-Ireland U20 Football Championship which commences in April. The League is split into five sections and will run from February 19 to March 12. There are two groups of four in the Philly McGuinness and Leo Murphy Cups.

John Kerins Cup: Laois, Kildare, Meath and Dublin

Liam O'Connor Cup: Wicklow, Offaly, Limerick and Clare

Philly McGuinness Cup: Armagh, Cavan, Westmeath, Monaghan, Fermanagh, Leitrim, Longford and Sligo

Leo Murphy Cup: Derry, Donegal, Mayo, Roscommon, Antrim, Down, Louth and Tyrone

Andrew Corden Cup: Tipperary, Waterford, Carlow and Wexford

Has anyone a list of the u20 panel please?

Panel? AFAIK the county u20s have done absolutely no training yet.

Or even UTV for that matter, wouldn't cost that much to run, as for the BBC our tv licence would need to cover both sides, even put it on their APP
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No chance of UTV showing any live local sport in foreseeable future. Bought over by ITV about 5 years ago. They're basically just a regional news and current affairs producer now.

To get any live local sport on UTV now, ITV sport would have to be interested and as a London based commercial operation that's not likely to happen.

Mcavoy in corner back
Fitzpatrick in corner back
Tony Magee in wing half
McCarthy played on down U20s team and their seniors
Fitzpatrick in half forward
Seàn murdock
Murphy in full forward
Toner in corner forward.

Brought on Poland and Zach murdock and both played Friday night v Ballyholland

That's 10....

We had Azza, Nidge, givran, Seàn O'Hare, Aaron D'Arcy and brought on Byrne and JG
That's 7...
Do the math...
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You can knock 5 off that Burren list. The 2 Fitzpatrick's, McAvoy, Magee and S Murdock haven't played for Burren in the senior league this year much - Sean and Mal might have played a few minutes as subs. Can't remember the other 3 featuring at all - think they may have been subs but can't remember them getting on.

McCarthy, Toner and Zach are still only 18 (they'd still be minors in the old u18 system) so it's not surprising they're getting game time in reserves to get them used to adult football. They've mostly been subs in the league and in Toners case is coming back from injury.

New management and new players in have changed the landscape a bit. So players who may have been 1st picks last year have might not be this year.

Anyway as wobbler cleared up there were only 13 players ineligible which in a squad the size of Burrens isn't a lot (I think I heard they had about 60 or more senior players registered this year).  Burren probably could have declared a full match day panel of 24 ineligible and still put out that starting line up.

So all within the rules of the competition - time to move on.

And so the weekend ends with 1 out of 3 - but it is the one we wanted.. Burren were marginally better than us yesterday playing their senior team (scoreboard didn't reflect the game at all) and the ladies just left too much of a hill to climb v Saul

Strange assessment of the Reserve match.

Burren created half a dozen goal chances and took 5. Point never looked like scoring a goal. So hard to see how the "scoreboard didn't reflect the game".

As for the comment about "playing the senior team". Name the players that are seniors. I only saw 2 players on the Burren team that have started any senior league games this year - I'm sure the point had nearly as many.