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[I feel it will affect the Euro at least as much if not more.]

Even after the brexit, the UK will have to pay for the privilege of trading with the EU and meet all the associated compliance requirements without having any say in these standards.

The ability to control your own borders might come with a very high price for the little Englanders.

Apart from possible issues around the hard /soft border with the north, the 26 counties could be quid's in with the big multinationals looking a new EU base.

The No1 most effected economy in this is RoI. And I include UK in this

UK is a key a market for RoI. Any reduced deman in UK impacts negatively on RoI. A weaker sterling makes RoI exports to UK more expensive and thats before we add tarrifs. I say Inda and Noonan are shiting themselves and praying that the EU goes lightly on UK

Most people on this forum seem to focus on how Brexit will affect the UK economy, I feel it will affect the Euro at least as much if not more.  We have already the leader of the far right in France calling for a free vote for a FREXIT which Hollande says he will not allow.  He can stall this vote but if the already strong Far Right (NF was the largest party in France in 2014 European elections https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Parliament_election,_2014_(France)) win the election next spring they will push hard for a vote on FREXIT.  Spain for example with 20% unemployment could easily follow and demand a vote on the Euro.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/buy-britain-but-sell-europe-after-stunning-brexit-rebuke-2016-06-24

You think Britain leaving the EU will affect the EU 'at least as much if not more' than it will affect Britain?

Seriously?

I do yes.

David Cameron came to the negotiating table and threatened the EU with a UK vote on BREXIT as a negotiating tactic, if there was a vote and it was fairly close (55-45% in favour of stay for example) they could use the threat of another vote in the future.  The EU in a game of brinkmanship said fine have a vote and it's snowballed from there.  Now they are both going holy fook what sort of can of worms have we opened up here.  They are the second biggest net contributor to the EU (whatever way you want to look at the numbers ) and by leaving they destabilise further other countries like France who are more right wing than Britain.  It's not like Ireland threatening to leave, where the EU delegates might get them there suitcases as there next move.

I'd imagine Boris wants to be prime minister at least as much as he wants a BREXIT.  One scenario that could play out is behind the scenes the EU offer Britain some sort of deal, a further cap on contributions, controls on immigration that Boris will then have to sell in a second referendum.  He gets to look like a sort of white knight that has given the EU a bloody nose and the EU goes on much like before.

It is the 2nd highest net contribution.
It is 4th by total payments.
It is 7th by net population.
It is in last place in percentage of its national income to the EU (because of the rebate).

If the Little Englanders are withdrawing from the EU because of a net £9bn annual contribution, how do those Little Englanders view the £6bn a year (depending on which figures you read) poured into Northern Ireland? Consider what it gets in return from EU membership versus what it gets from the 6 counties UK membership in return.

I'd imagine They'd ditch NI in a heartbeat if they could find a way to do it.  At least Scotland has North Sea oil.

[I feel it will affect the Euro at least as much if not more.]

Even after the brexit, the UK will have to pay for the privilege of trading with the EU and meet all the associated compliance requirements without having any say in these standards.

The ability to control your own borders might come with a very high price for the little Englanders.

Apart from possible issues around the hard /soft border with the north, the 26 counties could be quid's in with the big multinationals looking a new EU base.

The No1 most effected economy in this is RoI. And I include UK in this

UK is a key a market for RoI. Any reduced deman in UK impacts negatively on RoI. A weaker sterling makes RoI exports to UK more expensive and thats before we add tarrifs. I say Inda and Noonan are shiting themselves and praying that the EU goes lightly on UK

Most people on this forum seem to focus on how Brexit will affect the UK economy, I feel it will affect the Euro at least as much if not more.  We have already the leader of the far right in France calling for a free vote for a FREXIT which Hollande says he will not allow.  He can stall this vote but if the already strong Far Right (NF was the largest party in France in 2014 European elections https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Parliament_election,_2014_(France)) win the election next spring they will push hard for a vote on FREXIT.  Spain for example with 20% unemployment could easily follow and demand a vote on the Euro.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/buy-britain-but-sell-europe-after-stunning-brexit-rebuke-2016-06-24

You think Britain leaving the EU will affect the EU 'at least as much if not more' than it will affect Britain?

Seriously?

I do yes.

David Cameron came to the negotiating table and threatened the EU with a UK vote on BREXIT as a negotiating tactic, if there was a vote and it was fairly close (55-45% in favour of stay for example) they could use the threat of another vote in the future.  The EU in a game of brinkmanship said fine have a vote and it's snowballed from there.  Now they are both going holy fook what sort of can of worms have we opened up here.  They are the second biggest net contributor to the EU (whatever way you want to look at the numbers ) and by leaving they destabilise further other countries like France who are more right wing than Britain.  It's not like Ireland threatening to leave, where the EU delegates might get them there suitcases as there next move.

I'd imagine Boris wants to be prime minister at least as much as he wants a BREXIT.  One scenario that could play out is behind the scenes the EU offer Britain some sort of deal, a further cap on contributions, controls on immigration that Boris will then have to sell in a second referendum.  He gets to look like a sort of white knight that has given the EU a bloody nose and the EU goes on much like before.

Surely by doing so would rip the Tories apart and the only winner being UKIP in future elections?

If there was a deal it would have to have the support of most of the Tory big hitters that want a BREXIT.  UKIP are already very strong but Boris Johnson is much more charismatic than David Cameron ever was.  "Voting Tory will cause your wife to have bigger breasts and increase your chances of owning a BMW M3."  Goes down well with the Express/Sun reading general public.  I think the Tories might do fairly well in a future election with Johnson as leader.

[I feel it will affect the Euro at least as much if not more.]

Even after the brexit, the UK will have to pay for the privilege of trading with the EU and meet all the associated compliance requirements without having any say in these standards.

The ability to control your own borders might come with a very high price for the little Englanders.

Apart from possible issues around the hard /soft border with the north, the 26 counties could be quid's in with the big multinationals looking a new EU base.

The No1 most effected economy in this is RoI. And I include UK in this

UK is a key a market for RoI. Any reduced deman in UK impacts negatively on RoI. A weaker sterling makes RoI exports to UK more expensive and thats before we add tarrifs. I say Inda and Noonan are shiting themselves and praying that the EU goes lightly on UK

Most people on this forum seem to focus on how Brexit will affect the UK economy, I feel it will affect the Euro at least as much if not more.  We have already the leader of the far right in France calling for a free vote for a FREXIT which Hollande says he will not allow.  He can stall this vote but if the already strong Far Right (NF was the largest party in France in 2014 European elections https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Parliament_election,_2014_(France)) win the election next spring they will push hard for a vote on FREXIT.  Spain for example with 20% unemployment could easily follow and demand a vote on the Euro.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/buy-britain-but-sell-europe-after-stunning-brexit-rebuke-2016-06-24

You think Britain leaving the EU will affect the EU 'at least as much if not more' than it will affect Britain?

Seriously?

I do yes.

David Cameron came to the negotiating table and threatened the EU with a UK vote on BREXIT as a negotiating tactic, if there was a vote and it was fairly close (55-45% in favour of stay for example) they could use the threat of another vote in the future.  The EU in a game of brinkmanship said fine have a vote and it's snowballed from there.  Now they are both going holy fook what sort of can of worms have we opened up here.  They are the second biggest net contributor to the EU (whatever way you want to look at the numbers ) and by leaving they destabilise further other countries like France who are more right wing than Britain.  It's not like Ireland threatening to leave, where the EU delegates might get them there suitcases as there next move.

I'd imagine Boris wants to be prime minister at least as much as he wants a BREXIT.  One scenario that could play out is behind the scenes the EU offer Britain some sort of deal, a further cap on contributions, controls on immigration that Boris will then have to sell in a second referendum.  He gets to look like a sort of white knight that has given the EU a bloody nose and the EU goes on much like before.

Even after the brexit, the UK will have to pay for the privilege of trading with the EU and meet all the associated compliance requirements without having any say in these standards.

The ability to control your own borders might come with a very high price for the little Englanders.

Apart from possible issues around the hard /soft border with the north, the 26 counties could be quid's in with the big multinationals looking a new EU base.

The No1 most effected economy in this is RoI. And I include UK in this

UK is a key a market for RoI. Any reduced deman in UK impacts negatively on RoI. A weaker sterling makes RoI exports to UK more expensive and thats before we add tarrifs. I say Inda and Noonan are shiting themselves and praying that the EU goes lightly on UK

Most people on this forum seem to focus on how Brexit will affect the UK economy, I feel it will affect the Euro at least as much if not more.  We have already the leader of the far right in France calling for a free vote for a FREXIT which Hollande says he will not allow.  He can stall this vote but if the already strong Far Right (NF was the largest party in France in 2014 European elections https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Parliament_election,_2014_(France)) win the election next spring they will push hard for a vote on FREXIT.  Spain for example with 20% unemployment could easily follow and demand a vote on the Euro.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/buy-britain-but-sell-europe-after-stunning-brexit-rebuke-2016-06-24

The UK pays 350 million per week as part of running the EU, it will be interesting to see how the EU plug that hole in there finance if the UK does leave.

Who will plug the hole in the UKs finances when their economy contracts?
The EU and UK will both be poorer for the decision.

You could well be right.  It's hard to say how it will play out in the next few years.

With France etc calling for a vote on membership of the EU a lot will change in the next few years with this decision.

The UK pays 350 million per week as part of running the EU, it will be interesting to see how the EU plug that hole in there finance if the UK does leave.

It is 11 million per week. 

https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-membership-fee-55-million/

Most of the contribution goes back to farmers and disadvantaged areas in the UK.

It will be interesting to see how London plugs that hole.

I did what you did.

Pulled a number out of my arse.
I read thst article. Where do you get 11 million per week from?

No i didn't do what you did. I googled the cost.  You are just being silly.

Yes you did!

You admitted you read the article which explains, right at the start, that Britain doesn't pay £18bn a year (your £350m * 52 weeks). But you pretended you hadn't read it and posted the anti-intellectual rant anyway.

I posted 30 words.  It was hardly a rant.

I didn't pretend anything, I said I read the article.  The UK pay a lot of money into the EU every year which will leave a huge hole in there finance if the UK leave.

Stick to your crap[tion] competition if you can't argue without being facetious.

This is one of the first 10 lines of the article you said you read:

"The UK doesn't pay or "send to Brussels" this higher figure of £18 billion, or anything equivalent per week or per day. The rebate is applied straight away, so the UK never contributes this much."

And you accuse me of being facetious. 

I read the article.  It said they paid in 350 million per week.  If you want to say they get X amount of this back and being in the EU also brings Y jobs etc. fair enough.  It doesn't change the fact that the UK leaving the EU will leave a huge hole in the EU finances.

The UK pays 350 million per week as part of running the EU, it will be interesting to see how the EU plug that hole in there finance if the UK does leave.

It is 11 million per week. 

https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-membership-fee-55-million/

Most of the contribution goes back to farmers and disadvantaged areas in the UK.

It will be interesting to see how London plugs that hole.

I did what you did.

Pulled a number out of my arse.
I read thst article. Where do you get 11 million per week from?

No i didn't do what you did. I googled the cost.  You are just being silly.

Yes you did!

You admitted you read the article which explains, right at the start, that Britain doesn't pay £18bn a year (your £350m * 52 weeks). But you pretended you hadn't read it and posted the anti-intellectual rant anyway.

I posted 30 words.  It was hardly a rant.

I didn't pretend anything, I said I read the article.  The UK pay a lot of money into the EU every year which will leave a huge hole in there finance if the UK leave.

Stick to your crap[tion] competition if you can't argue without being facetious.

The UK pays 350 million per week as part of running the EU, it will be interesting to see how the EU plug that hole in there finance if the UK does leave.

It is 11 million per week. 

https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-membership-fee-55-million/

Most of the contribution goes back to farmers and disadvantaged areas in the UK.

It will be interesting to see how London plugs that hole.

I did what you did.

Pulled a number out of my arse.
I read thst article. Where do you get 11 million per week from?

No i didn't do what you did. I googled the cost.  You are just being silly.

The UK pays 350 million per week as part of running the EU, it will be interesting to see how the EU plug that hole in there finance if the UK does leave.

It is 11 million per week. 

https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-membership-fee-55-million/

Most of the contribution goes back to farmers and disadvantaged areas in the UK.

It will be interesting to see how London plugs that hole.

I read thst article. Where do you get 11 million per week from?

The UK pays 350 million per week as part of running the EU, it will be interesting to see how the EU plug that hole in there finance if the UK does leave.

If Jim Gavin could swap any player on the Dublin team for a player from another county that would make Dublin significantly stronger how many players would he swap?  Michael Murphy would get in, Conor McManus might be there or there abouts but they already have Brogan, Dean Rock, Ciaran Kilkenny .. in the forward line.  Midfield they have Michael Dara Macauley coming on as sub.  It's pretty scary the strength in depth that Dublin have.

No guarantee of first place yet.  If they lose tomorrow against Spurs you would have to fancy them to lose in San Antonio and then the Grizzlies games will get interesting.  A win tomorrow and they have first place and could rest there starters for a good part of the last 3 games.

Nah, they'll be fine. San Antonio have some tough games as well and Pop won't give a shit able chasing an unlikely first place at expense of health of the team.

You are right though they would probably like to win 1 more game just to be sure.  Win 1 game then give the starters some bench time, maybe they can still get the record doing that but if not no big deal.

No guarantee of first place yet.  If they lose tomorrow against Spurs you would have to fancy them to lose in San Antonio and then the Grizzlies games will get interesting.  A win tomorrow and they have first place and could rest there starters for a good part of the last 3 games.

[Yes Tony, there is a lot of faux outrage and hysteria surrounding]

Also he was allowed a few weeks after being found guilty to see his child. What sort judicial system would allow a paedo access to a child?

Are you a feature writer for The S*n as this is the sort of shit the red tops come out with. Embarrassing stuff there.

Good post Haranguerer and bringing a bit of common sense to proceedings.

GL was asking that sarcastically

Aye it was No Wides I needed to reply to. Sorry GL. I'm sure he'll be wrong about something else so we'll leave that one in there 

Yes Tony, there is a lot of faux outrage and hysteria surrounding it. The same sun readers no doubt swoon over the royals and we all know the craic they're at!

So you think people shouldn't be outraged by a professional footballer using his position to sexually abuse a child?

Be outraged all you want. Im certainly not condoning it, it's criminal behaviour and deserves punishment. But a lot worse goes on with lesser punishment. And there is nothing wrong with questioning the sentencing in this regard. It's just frustrating that the same media outlets that jump all over this will be w**king over the royal family for the Queen's 190th, a monarch who arguably was groomed as a fourteen year old by that fossil she's married to.

She was a 15 year old fan who wanted her shirt signed.  She wasn't in a nightclub with too much make up on pretending to be 18.  What he did was wrong, whatabout the monarchy or whatever is irrelevant.

It must be the TV angles, but both of New Zealands tries looked to have a forward pass in the lead up to them. Were they both given without TMO?

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=box08lq9ylg