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Still no sign of red cards for similar tackles to Kilpatricks. Telling.

Not that there should be but yes, there are boys getting away with much worse so the suggestion that there is some sort of focused clampdown on certain tackles was total balls.

[We need the Euros to get this built]

Worth noting as well that going back to the drawing board and redesigning it is not an option either if they want it for the Euros. And if it isn't being used for the Euros there isn't a snowflake in hells chance of the British Government throwing the money at it.

I don't think it's going to happen at this stage.

Exactly. We need the Euros to get this built and the IFA need casement if they want to secure the Euros.

Why?

I ask this because even before Euro 2028 became a possibility, you have always been of the opinion that the stadium should be built regardless of cost and that the bill should be picked up by the British government.
You seemed confident this would happen.
So, why now is it reliant on Euro 2028?

Not often I think Sean Cavanagh is worth quoting but he said the Dubs performance v Kerry spooked Derry a bit and I think that's exactly what's happened - Mickey & Derry blinked first. Dubs came out with the f**k you we're the Dubs attitude and won pulling up. Bigger battles ahead surely but Derry took a big backwards step 2nite imo.

Yeah I think you are right and Micky picked a weakened side as he maybe knew what was coming. Derry a good side just not that level (hopefully it'll come)

Are Dublin operating at a level of their own (again) with Derry next in line?

The issue is that "played away" isn't defined.
To be honest I thought all goals scored with the hand were fine apart from typical hand passes and where the ball has been illegally touched on the ground.

[If I'm wrong and it is £300m (which i doubt) then lets look at it again and reduce it or whatever it takes]

You are all getting your knickers in a twist...the cost is pure speculation and people have added £120m to it in 2 weeks, I'll not be surprised it's Unionist led. The cost will more likely be £180-£200m which is estimated, the Principal Contractor will likely get a few more million from CE's and EW's etc. Until it's tendered and prices come back everyone is just picking a number and doubling it.
If I'm wrong and it is £300m (which i doubt) then lets look at it again and reduce it or whatever it takes but until then stop guessing the price and wait and see. Material prices have roughly doubled and salaries too in 12 years or so, on that basis and the initial costing of £80m i'm guessing (and adding another bit to it) is between £180m-£200m

Why do you say that? Do you have a figure that you wouldn't go past?

I'm taking from your post that it's somewhere between £200m and £300m?

I was thinking more about not catching the ball after a toe tap but punching it to the net.

[When it's built, it ends up paying itself off. And then you own it]

Can anyone have a guess at what the UEFA requirements would be that would cause a further price hike? Think in Dunedin, New Zealand they built an all seater covered stadium for 100 odd million. That would be my aim if I was to start this charade over again

No standing sections, electronic turnstiles, higher grade floodlighting, more VIP seating, more press facilties, commentary locations, media locations, more camera locations, photographer areas, press conference areas, outside broadcast areas, hospitality hosting areas. It is literally a different planet on what you need

But you know what? When it's built, it ends up paying itself off. And then you own it until the place falls apart in 70 years time. So no matter what it is absolutely worth getting the additional rather than some bog basic terraced stadium

What do you mean by the bit in bold?
The GAA will own it but the cost is irrelevant to the GAA as they have a set amount they are willing to invest.

When they get pay parity I wonder what the next reason will be in a year or two ? Be interesting to see

Teaching Unions in England are currently conducting a consultative ballot regarding pay, workload, working hours & well-being.
Every chance the goalposts could be moved before teachers here get a look in.

[otherwise you could solo a ball and then punch it in]

I thought it was a perfectly good goal under the rules.  I always interpreted any ball not in the control of the player in question to be a ball in flight provided it wasn't on the ground. So you cant kick it up for your self to fist in but can fist it any other format provided there is no other rule break.  I'd also like to see the physics of who actually touches the ball last but you'd need at least a high speed camera for that

This ball was not in flight and was in the full control of the goalie when it was struck out of his hands into the net. What rule are thinking of that favors the ref's decision in this situation?

In flight isn't defined. I always understood it to mean any ball not on the ground or in your possession. I'm not sure how any other interpretation of it would work. It can't simply mean in the air otherwise you could solo a ball and then punch it in

In flight is defined.

The ball is deemed to be in flight, once it is off the ground, having been played away within the Rules of Fair Play.

Are you certain the part in bold is against the rules?

[It's not as if the Euros won't be contributing to their economy]

Am I correct  in saying the original cost was £77 million? Now it's £308  million?  That is mad

Would a squad of  Polish builders do it for less?

That was 2011. GAA was not planning for a stadium that meets UEFA requirements. Even Croke Park or Páirc Uí Chaoimh or indeed any GAA stadium in Ireland would not meet UEFA requirements. Construction costs have also gone through the roof post Covid.

Yes it was 2011, but £77m was also  the cost for a  bigger stadium (38k if I recall).  So that makes the current  Price even madderer.

Why would Croke Park not meet UEFA requirements?  Sure it hosted  soccer  qualifiers. As does Landsdowne Rosd currently

What exactly  are these supposed UEFA requirements ? A heli-pad for the suits  to fly in?  A mono-rail  for  them to get to their seats?

I believe they don't allow temporary seating for the Euros which would mean the Hill end would be empty.

The main point is U.K./Ireland bid submitted Casement Park so the British government should do the honouable thing and pay up. It's not as if the Euros won't be contributing to their economy. Heaton Harris is playing to the bigots of the world with his we won't pay if it costs too much. They committed to hosting and committed to this stadium so get the wallet out.

Though if the Brit government doesn't pony up for Casement then an alternative venue will be found in England and they will still reap the rewards of the Euros?

[you can't justify these costs they are insane.]

Am I correct  in saying the original cost was £77 million? Now it's £308  million?  That is mad

Would a squad of  Polish builders do it for less?

That was 2011. GAA was not planning for a stadium that meets UEFA requirements. Even Croke Park or Páirc Uí Chaoimh or indeed any GAA stadium in Ireland would not meet UEFA requirements. Construction costs have also gone through the roof post Covid.

Yes it was 2011, but £77m was also  the cost for a  bigger stadium (38k if I recall).  So that makes the current  Price even madderer.

Why would Croke Park not meet UEFA requirements?  Sure it hosted  soccer  qualifiers. As does Landsdowne Rosd currently

What exactly  are these supposed UEFA requirements ? A heli-pad for the suits  to fly in?  A mono-rail  for  them to get to their seats?

Exactly what a farce. I want the euros in Belfast but you can't justify these costs they are insane. Its sounds like a hell of a lot of lads are getting big brown envelopes at that rate

Exactly. At what price are people willing to shout stop at?
I mean, the GAA are shouting stop at £15m of their own money.

If Casement doesn't happen due to bigotry and sectarianism then that truly will be the final nail in the coffin for Northern Ireland.  Nolan, Alistair etc just can't see that.

It's estimated to cost around 4 times the original £77m. The GAA refuse to budge on the £15m they pledged 15 years ago.
But bigotry & sectarianism....

£190 million required.

This is mental.

[healthcare]

Calling for pay parity is an easy soundbite that Trade Unions can use to establish their position in negotiations.
Why anyone on here would begrudge teachers getting a pay rise or achieving pay parity with UK based teachers is beyond me. It is not an easy job and it is not handy for those working in schools.

But my point is most careers are lower paid here than UK. Doing the same work as them. I've nothing against teachers getting a rise but trying that argument is a bit of BS imo.

I agree teaching would be a tough career. But so is healthcare, engineering, finance, trades etc. and their all paid less than in the uk too.

Yet, pay parity is exactly what recent healthcare strikes were about and exactly what they received in their pay offer.

But, of course, you'll not call them out for "BS"....

So a referee would be expected to continually count the number of players in a given section of the field and then ascertain whether all of those players are permitted in that section. For the entire game. Along with everything else.

I don't think that would be one bit manageable.


That's not me agreeing with wobbler's idea by the way. I think his idea completely rewards those creating the problem.

But it would definitely be easier for a referee to manage.