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Always great to see Kerry bate.  Killarney still haunts me...On a scale of hatefulness, the Dubs are only mildly hateful compared to them Kerry ones.   

Have to agree. I still wake at night scared from the growls of a Kerryman in the row in front of me that day. But then there's Maurice Fitz. The beauty, the ease, the style, the scores. And off I go to sleep again, content. And sure what about the 2 passes yesterday, the Gooch at his best, thee best, possibly?

Cynicism is not a label you can seriously apply to a team who managed to lose an Ulster final from being 8 pts up with 20 mins to go. Can anyone seriously criticise a group of 18 year olds for hanging on to fulfill their dreams of playing in an all ireland final.  Most of these cubs will never get another chance to play in a final. I personally would prefer to see a group of lads grabbing their opportunities in life with both hands.  Nothing tactical or by design in it just a pure williness to succeed.  The particular Rocommon poster on here sounding off needs to get a dose of humility and admit they have been beaten by a better side.

The easy thing to do is throw out the usual platitudes and ignore the blindingly obvious out of some mis-guided sense of sportsmanship.

Tyrone didn't show much sportsmanship on the field. Saying so is certainly the lesser of the two evils.

What were your views on the Roscommon tactics in Hyde Park vs Tyrone this year in the qualifier game? Cynical? Not just my view as many of the Rossies in the stand beside us accepted that their team had approached the 1st half with a foul at every opportunity mentality.

Tyrone are very very cynical. Sincerely hope Roscommon win this. If they don't it'll be the worst case of the better team losing that I've seen in a long while.

Westside, and the rest of ye, get real. As much cynical fouling on the Roscommon side. But when you have a commentary team that rants about cynical play and a referee that allowed one team to defend as they like, but whistled Tyrone for the slightest touch, then what can we do.

I don't speak Irish so couldn't understand the commentary anyway. My neutral view is based on what I saw on the field of play. Tyrone were far, far more cynical. Every free Roscommon got was a certain free and they were denied a good few that they should have been awarded. Mayo look to be better footballers than Roscommon, so based on today's showing they will be much better footballers than Tyrone. I sincerely hope "football" wins and Mayo triumph.

The most cynical display this year was Roscommon seniors vs Tyrone. For the 1st 40 mins they fouled, and fouled and rotated the man doing the fouling. It was obvious they had pre planned it. We had a laugh with the Rossies beside us at just how blatant they were. Yet we got on with- they did what they did to try and win. In fact when they got their tails up in the last 20 mins they could have won the game. But no one mentioned it in the media. Kevin Mc Stay could have called it on the Sunday game but he backed away. The issue again is the lazy targeting of Tyrone. No one here teaches or trains cynicism. We do teach passion and desire and like any county we do what we can to win. Too many people taking their opinions from Carney, Spillane etc.
In today's minor game, Tyrone had many calls for frees turned down, we felt harshly, but they got on with it. The football they played was, at times, superb. We have to be fair to them for what they achieved. We also have to be fair to Roscommon- they didn't lose because Tyrone were cynical and the Rossies were not. They lost because Tyrones big players raised their game.

What in the name of God are you talking on about the Senior game for? That has about as much to do with this discussion as the Cavan v Fermanagh game. I'm not attacking Tyrone football as a whole, never mentioned anything other than the game today and in my own, neutral, unbiased opinion, Tyrone won this game not solely due to their raising their game. They won partially due to some good play in the final third, and their cynicism was a huge contributing factor.

My point is that if cynicism wasn't the word of the day then you wouldn't be talking this way. Yes we would mention the lad kicking the ball away from the keeper but that was just stupidity.

Kevin McStay speaking about the match ups being as per the programme. But he cannot bring himself to sat that Kerry are playing with 12 men in defence.

My God the Gooch is unreal.

Tyrone are very very cynical. Sincerely hope Roscommon win this. If they don't it'll be the worst case of the better team losing that I've seen in a long while.

Westside, and the rest of ye, get real. As much cynical fouling on the Roscommon side. But when you have a commentary team that rants about cynical play and a referee that allowed one team to defend as they like, but whistled Tyrone for the slightest touch, then what can we do.

I don't speak Irish so couldn't understand the commentary anyway. My neutral view is based on what I saw on the field of play. Tyrone were far, far more cynical. Every free Roscommon got was a certain free and they were denied a good few that they should have been awarded. Mayo look to be better footballers than Roscommon, so based on today's showing they will be much better footballers than Tyrone. I sincerely hope "football" wins and Mayo triumph.

The most cynical display this year was Roscommon seniors vs Tyrone. For the 1st 40 mins they fouled, and fouled and rotated the man doing the fouling. It was obvious they had pre planned it. We had a laugh with the Rossies beside us at just how blatant they were. Yet we got on with- they did what they did to try and win. In fact when they got their tails up in the last 20 mins they could have won the game. But no one mentioned it in the media. Kevin Mc Stay could have called it on the Sunday game but he backed away. The issue again is the lazy targeting of Tyrone. No one here teaches or trains cynicism. We do teach passion and desire and like any county we do what we can to win. Too many people taking their opinions from Carney, Spillane etc.
In today's minor game, Tyrone had many calls for frees turned down, we felt harshly, but they got on with it. The football they played was, at times, superb. We have to be fair to them for what they achieved. We also have to be fair to Roscommon- they didn't lose because Tyrone were cynical and the Rossies were not. They lost because Tyrones big players raised their game.

Tyrone are very very cynical. Sincerely hope Roscommon win this. If they don't it'll be the worst case of the better team losing that I've seen in a long while.

Westside, and the rest of ye, get real. As much cynical fouling on the Roscommon side. But when you have a commentary team that rants about cynical play and a referee that allowed one team to defend as they like, but whistled Tyrone for the slightest touch, then what can we do.

Could be argued development squads are part of the problem.  They are not picking up that gurrier of a corner back or that lanky hallion midfielder.  They are giving lads a feeling of success too early - removing their hunger drive and raw unpredictability.

Spot on- players in these squads feel they have made it. I believe it prevents players developing naturally. We don't see the unpredictable players much in today's game. The shoot on sight men from any area of the attack, the Fay Devlin type corner backs- they don't survive in today's game. Too much coaching at that age- it's obvious with the conveyer belt, manufactured players we have today.

Conor hit with 1 month ban for his, 'get out of my face Dessie', strike last day out.

I think Joe went OTT but there is no doubting the fact he's right!!

Mickey Harte always talks about how good our games are and how much better the GAA is than everyone else. Talking about Hypocrisy and there's your answer. Mickey Harte and Cavanagh are 2 of our games role models and should be held to a higher standard than diving and systematic fouling!

The defence by Tyronies on here is " but everyone else does it" I will point you to the reply my Mother used for years "if everyone jumped off a bridge would you do it too?"

Yes others are at it but Tyrone the longest and that's ten years of Cavanagh getting lads booked and sent off with his diving and Harte pretending his team don't engage in the dark arts when he's had McMenamim, Gormley and Cavanagh on his teams for years.

Joe should stand up for our games as Mickey Harte doesn't seem to want to bar his outrage at the International Rules. Joe always played the game in the spirit it was intended so he's as well placed as anyone to stand up for what's right!

As a Tyrone man I can't pretend to be happy with the SC tackle vs Monaghan and Monaghan should be very cross that Darren Hughes was booked for a fine tackle. But the anger amongst genuine Tyrone people is that no other county has their faults scrutinised with such ferocity and even hatred as we do. I want those tackles eradicated from the game. Similarly the abuse that SoN took from Kildare full back whilst umpires stood and watched. The really galling point is that the pundits on tv and many posters here are very selective when it comes to this analysis. Just take Sats game for example- Many calling SC a cheat for pulling Darren Hughes down and buying the free. Not one person has mentioned Dessie holding Penrose arm as he went past him along the Cusack sideline conning Reilly into giving a Monaghan free. Or the most blatant dive (rediculous) by Drew Wylie when in attack late in 2nd half. There were enough incidents like this to have merited Monaghan being on the receiving end of a Brolly drama show. End of first half- Peter Harte in attack, blatant jersey pull, Reilly can see the foul but ignores it, another one that springs to mind.

Enda mcGinley on the BBC (who we shall certainly be hearing more from) tried to provide a bit of balance to the weekend games. He highlighted just how defensive Kerry (blanket) can be but Carney, mcStay, Canning etc won't bring themselves to talk in such terms unless it's Ulster, and more so Tyrone teams. The Dubs on sat, for all their glorious attacking football filtered many men back into defence. Harte probably isn't helping the Tyrone case with the RTE interview ban (as big Joe tweeted yesterday, they have their reasons) but regardless, a balanced analysis is the least we should expect. Slating Tyrone is the easy option but the bigger issues are sorting out the rules (applying them consistently), improving standard of referees and officials, and removing the self centred egomen from punditry and replacing with guys that are fair and balanced....Dara O'Se, Anthony Tohill, Ciaran whelan, Dessie Dolan and many others are what we need in the studio. Finally EVERY county, including my own, needs to quickly remove the nasty element from their game.

Screen exile- I'm not taking issue with your points or opinion, just that this particular point sparked a memory. As far back as the mid/late 90's I recall playing Derry in Clones. Think Derry won the game. But my abiding memory is the Bellaghy man beside commenting with a few minutes left that Tyrone will never break us down now. And right enough, when we counted, Derry had 13 men inside their own half with just Joe and his partner up front. No word of a blanket in those days but often it was there.

A few egotistical pundits shouldnt be allowed to tarnish a team, county, manager or player whilst providing absolutely no balance in the debate.

I'll hunt out the DVD to see what you think.

Murphy showing his true colours once again

What is the rule on bringing the ball forward?

Jimmy knows that no ref will blow every single foul so he has coached every Donegal player to tackle accordingly. Most tackles are high to the upper body, arms and neck and their superior physical condition spells trouble for most opponents. Then there is the cynical foul, ankle taps, crossing a players path, landing on a player on the ground etc, all have been mastered by Donegal. Refs don't stand a chance with them and furthermore they have to put up with Murphy & co's constant gubbing.

What's the solution if officials continue to allow it?

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In all honesty after the keeper scored his point on the 2nd attempt and let the crowd know it, they were always going to be on his back. I dont think tyrone can complain about diving as for years your star midfielder was renowned for his swan lake diving impressions, its not nice when its on the other foot!!

Not complaining at all- just stating that we need to get with it. This happens in games and it's costing us. Need to get smart to it. As for our swan he was fairly anonymous today. And as swans go what about the bold PB?

He has many faults but diving ain't one of the them!

Watch him closely

In all honesty after the keeper scored his point on the 2nd attempt and let the crowd know it, they were always going to be on his back. I dont think tyrone can complain about diving as for years your star midfielder was renowned for his swan lake diving impressions, its not nice when its on the other foot!!

Not complaining at all- just stating that we need to get with it. This happens in games and it's costing us. Need to get smart to it. As for our swan he was fairly anonymous today. And as swans go what about the bold PB?

Got to hand it to Jimmy he is a very focussed man & has certainly worked wonders with Donegal. As for Tyrone, we can play some great football but by God do we need to get smarter. Allowed Donegal to dictate the pace, let them bully us round free kicks & didn't buy frees when thy gave us so many chances with their forearm tackles. How many times did they con the ref with dives and we allowed them by leaving an arm in or letting them cut across us and then throw themselves to the ground.
My god do we need to get a nasty streak back- our teams of 03' 05 08 wouldnt have stood for the bullsiht that went on today. M Murphy constantly gubbing & influencing the ref... Why wasn't he thumped? Allowing Morgan to take that abuse when kicking frees... Fcuk sake lads start a ruckus or something. McQuillan the prune couldn't handle it so why did we stand back & take it. We need to get game smart or we'll continue to get bullied. It will be a long time before a ref & his officials are capable of controlling a team like Donegal so lets get this sorted in the qualifiers.