After Derry's heavy defeat to Galway and Tyrone lack luster win over Donegal in the NFL Div 1, the National League is wide open.
What way with the game between the two bitterest teams in Ulster go next week.
Can Derry bounce back or can Tyrone keep improving?
Didn't sound like too much of an "improvement" today Ziggy, glad of the points though.
A win's a win FoSB.
I fear a Derry win next week.
Will Doherty be back for it?
fergal doherty is probably suffering from only drink or over eating - the usual after affects of a wedding bash.....
if crozier puts the right team together for the tyrone game - i expect tyrone to be roasted in celtic park.
Derry where shocking today - mid field non existent and the full backs got roasted.
I'd agree with that, Doherty would lord the middle and if your back line
shows up at all we'll find scores hard come by...... as usual.
Paddy is rarely bad two days in a row either :-\
Quote from: Oakleafer1993 on March 30, 2008, 04:51:00 PM
fergal doherty is probably suffering from only drink or over eating - the usual after affects of a wedding bash.....
if crozier puts the right team together for the tyrone game - i expect tyrone to be roasted in celtic park.
Derry where shocking today - mid field non existent and the full backs got roasted.
Well I certainly don't!!! Doubtless, Derry are pretty hard to be in Celtic park, but form goes out the window when it comes to Derry and Tyrone. Both teams could use the points to guarantee their place in Div 1 2009 and i'd be happy with a draw. I fancy it to be a dinger of a match either way, with a near full house in Celtic park. (Something not seen too often :-\)
Im really lookin fwd to this one, at home to our bitter rivals with points needed. we were awful today we need to pick ourselves up for this. Pity mulligan isnae playin so we could give him some abuse
Lookin forward to it myself. Cant remember when we last hosted Tyrone in Celtic park. Anyone know??
Quote from: jodyb on March 30, 2008, 05:48:04 PM
Lookin forward to it myself. Cant remember when we last hosted Tyrone in Celtic park. Anyone know??
Has there been one since the 1992 Ulster championship? I don't remember any league games in Celtic Park since that unless there's been a McKenna cup game.
Would this be the TV game next week?
This game will be a great indicator as to where both teams are, one month before the white heat. Derry are much better than today's scoreline suggests and it should be remembered Galway are flying high at the minute. I'd say the bookies will have Derry by 2 or 3 and that'd be about right. Tyrone aren't conceding much but won't have faced the likes of the Bradleys yet. Tyrone also aren't scoring much and aside from today, Derry are not known for being generous in defence. Unless Tyrone are firing on all cylinders and we have a forward on fire that day, I can see Derry home on a scoreline of 1-14 to 0-11.
Derry to win by a bagful ! ;)
QuoteTyrone aren't conceding much but won't have faced the likes of the Bradleys yet
Quite right........derry by a landslide................
Was tallking to a considered lifelong Tyrone fan after the game He claimed its the worst Tyrone forward line that he has seen in nearly 25 years. if Tyrone can pull one forward out of the bag before the summer they can mount a challenge, because the rest of the team is 100%.
Quote from: tyrone86 on March 30, 2008, 06:31:07 PM
Quote from: jodyb on March 30, 2008, 05:48:04 PM
Lookin forward to it myself. Cant remember when we last hosted Tyrone in Celtic park. Anyone know??
Has there been one since the 1992 Ulster championship? I don't remember any league games in Celtic Park since that unless there's been a McKenna cup game.
I think Danny Ball's first game in charge was a defeat to Derry in Celtic Park. Not sure if it was in the league or McKenna Cup
i have a vague memory of that defeat in Celtic park but can't recall when it was.
It should be fun cos I'm organising a st columbs college reunion of lads from the Aughabrack and Dunamanagh area.
Shocking poor quality game back in 96, I think it finished Derry 0-7 Tyrone 0-3.
Must have been the league then considering it was old format of 3 pre-Christmas league games back in 96. I can't for the life of me remember it, though I do vividly remember Meath visiting Omagh early in that campaign after 96 Semi Final
They definately played a league game in celtic park in the late to mid nineties - I've a notion Seamus McCallan was tried in midfield for it and Derry won.
As for this weekend I think it will be close again and would be suprised if we get stuffed as some supporters are saying. I think our defence and midfield is good but as everyone is saying its up front that we may struggle. Would like to see McCullagh and Colm Cavanagh brought into the ful forward line. Sean Cavanagh may also be an option at full forward as we really need a quality player close to goal. We really need Mulgrew to get involved in the game and show some class. Is Marty Penrose injured again? - Harte always seemed to like him but he hasnt been involved at all this year. I'm not convinced that the 15 that started for Derry yesterday is as good as people have been making out. However with the like's of Lockhart and Doherty to come back they can improve considerably. I take it Doherty is back for this weekend?
Quote from: tyrone86 on March 31, 2008, 07:40:03 PM
Must have been the league then considering it was old format of 3 pre-Christmas league games back in 96. I can't for the life of me remember it, though I do vividly remember Meath visiting Omagh early in that campaign after 96 Semi Final
It was indeed a league game in the winter of 96 and Tyrone were missing a number of established players from the team who had won back to back Ulster titles in 95, 96. It was also a very windy day which was partly the reason for the low scoring.
Everyone seems to be very critical of the forward line on show on sunday. And whilst I agree I have been asking myself some questions. If Tyrone had of had Gormley and McGuigan taking free kicks in their 2 defeats and 1 draw they would have more points than they do have currently. Kildare for sure would not have ended in a draw.
Cavanagh was non existant verus Donegal but would still play in any team in Ireland. Mallon won plenty of breaking ball but is that his job - his distribution of the ball left alot to be desired? Mulgrew I felt was always available. Gormley was always out infront of his man but struggled to take the man on and go past him. Snowy was not at the races. McGuigan lackluster.
Verus Derry I would like to see C Cavanagh at 10, B McGuigan at 11 (if fit enough), Mulgrew at 12, Gormley, T McGuigan and Enda McGinley.
No chance McGuigan would be fit to start at this stage and Im not convinced you could play both Mulgrew and McGuigan in the half forward line anyway. Also think with all the forwards missing and the fact that midfield has actually been doing quite well that its best to keep S Cavanagh in the forwards for the minute. If he's on his game he should offer more of a scoring threat than McGinley in the forwards (McGinley actually seems to be scoring more from midfield than he ever did at corner forward).
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on March 31, 2008, 07:16:20 PM
Shocking poor quality game back in 96, I think it finished Derry 0-7 Tyrone 0-3.
Remember it well, pissed all day and was very windy ... at least the stout was good in a couple of the local pubs. Re: Derry's performance in Galway ... but for the keeper Galway would have scored five or six goals
Quote from: red hander on April 01, 2008, 10:29:27 AM
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on March 31, 2008, 07:16:20 PM
Shocking poor quality game back in 96, I think it finished Derry 0-7 Tyrone 0-3.
Remember it well, pissed all day and was very windy ... at least the stout was good in a couple of the local pubs. Re: Derry's performance in Galway ... but for the keeper Galway would have scored five or six goals
Here is what the Irish News had to say.
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Tohill has stormer in league opener
National League Division One from Eamonn O'Hara at Celtic Park
14/10/96
Derry.....................0-7 Tyrone.................0-3
ANTHONY TOHILL took the game, the points and the plaudits by the scruff of the neck yesterday, as the midfield giant turned on the power to dominate the Division One derby before 8,000 spectators at gale-lashed Celtic Park. Tohill was at his brilliant best as he inspired the double league champions to a fine first round win. The Derryman slammed over six points with superb accuracy, lorded the outfield exchanges and generally ran the show to all but strangle a blunt Tyrone challenge. And to cap a dismal day for the Ulster title holders' new manager Danny Ball, defender Paul Donnelly failed to finish, being sent off for a second bookable offence with five minutes left. An uncompromising, competitive clash in extremely demanding conditions, brought about four other cautions - all in a first half which saw Derry use the wind advantage to lead by five points at the break after 30 hard minutes in which 21 frees were awarded. Seamus Downey was first into the book of Pat McEneaney, booked for stamping on the grounded Pascal Canavan while Donnelly and Henry Downey were cautioned after a bit of boxing following a multiple eighth-minute flare up. With the gale swirling around him, Tohill flighted over frees with an exhibition of dead ball precision while Joe Brolly added to Derry's first period advantage with their only point from play. Brolly also squandered two very scorable frees leaving Tyrone somewhat relieved to face only a five point deficit on the turnaround. But despite some resilient defence which soaked almost constant pressure during the first half, Tyrone's centrefield play and attack failed miserably to craft the opportunites required in the second. It took them 47 minutes for them to register their first score. Eoin Gormley hooked over a tight-angled 14-yard free. At this stage they trailed Derry by six points, Tohill having thumped over a tremendous '50' strike 31 seconds after the break and an equally impressive conversion from a 35 yard free after 44 minutes. Against a very stiff breeze, those conversions epitomised the stunning scoring strengths of their former All-Star, a level of accuracy Tyrone's lack of ideas and cohesion up front failed to compete with. And it could have been a considerably higher mountain to climb had it not been for a series of wides from the 15th to the 20th minute of the second half, when Derry exerted pressure and dominance, their midfield and forward line impressing as a fluent unit, but Tohill and the Downeys just missed the mark on three occasions. In spite of the work rate Tyrone's defence were producing, their forwards found the opposition rearguard in outstanding form. No matter what they tried, and passes were often inaccurate, Derry's corner backs Kieran and newcomer Emmet McKeever intercepted with remarkable regularity, while the disruptive influences and attacking aggression of Gary Coleman and Sean Lockhart virtually shot out the prospect of a Tyrone fightback. The conditions were no different for Tyrone in the second half as they were for Derry in the first but the visitors lacked the penetration required and often the support play. Without the services of Peter Canavan and Gerard Cavlan their attack was relatively punchless. Only in the last two minutes did they manage to return some profit. Eamon McCaffrey, a second-half substitute, and McGleenan, now operating at full-forward, mustered late points to leave a deficit of four in it at the finish. The margin of victory was overall unflattering to the league champions who on the balance of play could and should have reached double figures. With so many young players being given their chance on the day by Derry's management, the back room team will be well satisfied with the overall contribution of the newcomers, with Emmet McKeever a particularly outstanding novice on his NFL debut. Tyrone had no substantial answer to the play of Tohill, who over the hour produced his best performance for some months making amends for a lacklustre contribution to Derry's championship challenge when they bowed out to Tyrone in mid summer. Derry are off to a better start in their pursuit for a third league title in-a-row than in the previous two seasons when they were held pointless until the third round. Yesterday, they had the punch where it mattered delivered by Tohill. Tyrone did not deliver. But it is still very early days.
Derry: D O'Hare, K McKeever, R McGuckin, E McKeever, S Lockhart, D Heaney, G Coleman, A Tohill (0-6), H Downey, R Boylan, S Downey, R Rocks (0-0), J Brolly (0-1), A McGuckin, S McLarnon Subs: D Dougan for A McGuckin (half time), S McGuckian for McLarnon (38 mins), D McIlvar for Heaney (57 mins)
Tyrone: F McConnell, P Devlin, N Donnelly, D Hagan, P Donnelly, P Canavan, S McLoughlin, M McGleenan (0-1), S McCallan, B Dooher, A Kilpatrick, C McBride, A Cush, S Lawn, E Gormley (0-1) Subs: B Gormley for Dooher (36 mins), E McCaffrey 90-1) for Cush (42 mins) Referee: P McEneaney (Monaghan)
Very interesting Derry keeper there. No surprises to see (0-0) after R Rocks either.
Is that ex Bannsider legend Davy per chance SS?
Not ex-Bannsider Davy, tyrone86. Will be taking the field tonight against DC in the Irish Cup semi-final replay.
Can anyone confirm is the Derry match on at 7pm or 7.30 as its different on a few websites?
Quote from: saffron sam2 on April 01, 2008, 10:51:28 AM
Very interesting Derry keeper there. No surprises to see (0-0) after R Rocks either.
:D :D
LMAO
I'd say Rocks was lucky to get 0-0 too ! He had two feet like corkscrews! ;)
Derry to hammer the bitter ones by 23 points in the next league game.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on April 01, 2008, 03:10:23 PM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on April 01, 2008, 10:51:28 AM
Very interesting Derry keeper there. No surprises to see (0-0) after R Rocks either.
:D :D
LMAO
I'd say Rocks was lucky to get 0-0 too ! He had two feet like corkscrews! ;)
Derry to hammer the bitter ones by 23 points in the next league game.
Tyronies don't listen to him he predicted that against Galway as well and look what happened there.
We're an awful team, Tyrone are far superior... All Ireland winners at every grade. Us Derry boys should just count ourselves lucky to grace the same field as youse. If I was PC I wouldn't field a team it will be a one way street. Tyrone by 25 points easy.
Davy played in the 1989 ulster minor final for armagh - where they were hammered by a tohill inspired derry!
Quote from: saffron sam2 on April 01, 2008, 11:07:18 AM
Not ex-Bannsider Davy, tyrone86. Will be taking the field tonight against DC in the Irish Cup semi-final replay.
Is this him http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_O%27Hare (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_O%27Hare) here? Don't ever remember him playing for Derry, what club is he from?
Is the R McGuckin at full back Ronan McGuckin? And whos the S McGuckin, Seanie?
Quote from: tyrone86 on April 01, 2008, 10:58:41 AM
Is that ex Bannsider legend Davy per chance SS?
Isn't he from Newry? - he was definately doing some coaching for either Down or Armagh a few years ago.
Derry by 3pts. Knock it into them shire
Quote from: saffron sam2 on April 01, 2008, 11:07:18 AM
Not ex-Bannsider Davy, tyrone86. Will be taking the field tonight against DC in the Irish Cup semi-final replay.
Well that just goes to show I don't pay the same attention to the Irish league as I used to. Is it the same boyo all the same SS? Was looking at his bio at on the Coleraine website - I would have swore he was a Candystriper for a brief time as well.
Davy's from newry originally. initially a clubmate of my own (correnshigo) where he played midfield, then off he went to uni in coleraine and never came back. played minor and u21 for armagh then had a run with derry for a while. he'd be 36 now. hell of a keeper in both codes.
I assume its at 7 as the gaa has been trying to keep games at the same time on a Saturday night/Sunday to avoid confusion (which obviously hasnt worked).
Who's the D Hagan at half back for Tyrone?
In those days we only played 2 full backs
Quote from: ONeill on April 01, 2008, 06:56:24 PM
Who's the D Hagan at half back for Tyrone?
Damien "Scothie" Hagan from Moortown.
This is a crucial game for both teams, but more importantly Tyrone who still owe Derry for that humiliation in the championship the last time the inbreds travelled over the sperrins. Its a chance for Tyronemen to take the luster off the new floodlights in Celtic Park, to knock the sheen off a reasonably impressive if inconsistent Derry NFL campaign and if nothing else just knock seven lights out of their less well off neighbours, from the city slums.
Quote from: feetofflames on April 02, 2008, 09:13:42 AM
but more importantly Tyrone who still owe Derry for that humiliation in the championship the last time the inbreds travelled over the sperrins.
The last time they travelled over the hills we gave the inbred clifts a right royal 1-15 to 0-8 thumping in the McKenna last year.
Oh I can't wait! After watching our U-21's win Ulster on Saturday afternoon, I'll be making the journey up the Glenshane, to watch Derry overpower Tyrone (by a point ;))
Its just a shame Tyrone didn't make the U21 final, would have been a nice double.
Lest we forget it was Derry wans who used to sing about the lack of sam maguire in our beloved red hand county. Nowadays it is they who look on and go racing green. How foolish of them to boast? Its important that Tyrone keep monitoring their underage success as if it were to increase they would surely be looking to steal the rest of Ardboe from us. A right royal trouncing on Satrurday night would keep their heads low and their gubs lower.
Highly unlikely though ;)
Quote from: feetofflames on April 02, 2008, 10:28:44 AM
Lest we forget it was Derry wans who used to sing about the lack of sam maguire in our beloved red hand county. Nowadays it is they who look on and go racing green. How foolish of them to boast? Its important that Tyrone keep monitoring their underage success as if it were to increase they would surely be looking to steal the rest of Ardboe from us. A right royal trouncing on Satrurday night would keep their heads low and their gubs lower.
;) :D
Highly unlikely though ;)
When did we steal any of Ardboe from you?
Do most of ye feel Armagh have replaced Derry as the aul enemy or is it just that I used to know more Derry fans than Armagh fans.
I feel we could have a cracker game on Saturday night although there could be snow according to the forecast.
I think Tyrone will turn it on now that's it's officially Spring.
I'll never forget driving home from the match in Clones in 95 with another Tyrone lad and 2 Derry lads.
The tension was high after we'd sang for the 1st 10 miles
"We beat Derry with 13 men, Doo Daa Doo Daa"
"We beat Derry with 13 men, Doo Daa Doo Daa Daay"
I dunno about the whole rivalry thing. Myself and all my Tyrone friends would all be of the opinion that Derry and Tyrone hate eachother the mostest in the whole wide world!
However I think it is the younger generation who think Armagh are the main rival, they probably weren't around for the battle of Clones in 1995 and don't understand the deep hatred and vitriol that spewed from both sides as a crowd of Tyrone spoilers did a hatchet job on a talented Derry team which allowed Canavan to get a rare performance in to beat us.
I suppose it's just that Tyrone are the most hated county in Ireland that means both Armagh and Derry have hatred for them. You aren't a nice people really and for some reason you all seem to have fat heads and like to argue a lot... just my opinion but I think most of my Derry and Armagh colleagues would agree! ;D ;D
What about your colleagues in Slaughtneill? ;)
Would like to see something a bit different up front for Tyrone in this game after we really struggled there on Sunday and at times played without a full forward line. There's no chance this will be the team but Id like to see the following:
P McConnell
M Swift
C Gormley
PJ Quinn
D Harte
R McMenamin
P Jordan
Justy McMahon
C Holmes (or Hub if fit)
E McGinley
T McGuigan
R Mellon
C McCullagh
S Cavanagh
C Cavanagh
The Cavanaghs could be given a bit of freedom to go out the field and help when neccesary. Mulgrew would be unlucky not to start but did nothing the last day and would give Tommy McGuigan a chance out the field after being quiet in the full forward line. More realistically the team will be the same as named last week (McCullagh in for Snowy) with only a change of keeper. Mickey McGee, McCaul and Gourley must be due some game time though.
Any other underperforming Moy men ye could slip in there?
Well dont think there's any doubt about Sean Cavanagh or Jordan starting. Think Colm Cavanagh might be worth a go to add a bit of height to the forward line and he scored a couple of great points for the u21 team last week. Mellon would be lucky enough to keep his place but not sure who to replace him with. Mulgrew is the obvious choice but he did very little on Sunday and with this expected to be a physical battle thought Mellon might be the better option and he did perform very well down in Galway. I think it would be clutching at straws to try and turn McCaul or Gourley into half forwards for the night as experiments like these have failed in the past.
Id like to see Cavanagh back in the middle, because he puts the whole Tyrone team on the front foot very quickly when he gets his hands on the ball. If you want a Cavanagh at full forward try Colum, I dont think theres a place for him elsewhere. Phillip J is rock solid, Id change Davy bar 3 points against Laois he has been rubbish this year, but could he be the next Dooher? As for Mulgrew lets move him out of the centre for a while, his contribution this years has been awful. Pascal is playing well i believe. Mc Menamin looked keen last week also and he always has the pocket open for Paddy B.
P McConnell
R Mc Menamin. C Gormley, PJ Quinn
D Mc Caul Justy McMahon P Jordan
S Cavanagh; E Mc Ginley
D Harte; R Mulgrew; T McGuigan;
N Gormley / Snowy; C Cavanagh; C Mc Cullough
For this panel has Mickey Harte even attempted to find some scoring options. Its any number of options in defence and naming to fill places in attack. Absolute football suicide.
I'm Back!
And what timing!
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 02, 2008, 04:50:54 PM
Do most of ye feel Armagh have replaced Derry as the aul enemy or is it just that I used to know more Derry fans than Armagh fans.
For me, Derry will always be the auld enemy.
I've a lot of respect for Armagh.
As for last year's McKenna Cup game...
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Tyrone 1-15 0-9 Derry
Paul Rouse (left) gets the ball away despite Kevin McCann's attentions
Paul Rouse (left) was among Tyrone's scorers at Healy Park
Tyrone's first-half blitz enabled them to comfortably defeat Derry in Sunday's Gaelic Life McKenna Cup clash at Omagh.
Red Hand boss Mickey Harte used UUJ squad players Colm Cavanagh, Brendan Boggs and Damien McCaul in the game, defying an Ulster Council directive.
Derry led 0-2 to 0-1 but Tyrone hit 10 unanswered points before Cathal McCarron's goal just before the break.
The Oak Leafers produced a mini-revival after the break but Tyrone were never in danger and won pulling up.
Early points from the Bradley brothers, Paddy and Eoin, gave Derry a promising start, but Tyrone were soon into their stride.
Midfielder Mickey Murphy hit three points, with Tommy McGuigan, Damien McDermott, Paul Rouse, Davy Harte and Colm Cavanagh also getting their names on the scoresheet.
Newcomers Damien McDermott and Cathal McCarron were also on target, and while Paddy Bradley pulled back a Derry point late in the half, but by that stage Tyrone had already racked up 11 scores.
The Red Hands hit the visitors with another blow in stoppage time when McCarron grabbed his goal from a rebound after Derry goalkeeper Shane O'Kane had failed to hold his initial shot.
Derry narrowed the gap with scores from Paddy and Eoin Bradley and Conleth Gilligan in the third quarter but McCarron's accuracy from frees kept Tyrone comfortably in front.
Tyrone scorers: C McCarron 1-3 (3 frees), M Murphy 0-3, T McGuigan, D McDermott 0-2 each, C Cavanagh, O Mulligan, D Harte, D Carin, P Rouse (free) 0-1 each.
Derry scorers: Paddy Bradley 0-5 (2 frees), E Bradley 0-2, C Gilligan, R McElhone 0-1 each.
Tyrone: P McConnell, D McCaul, C McGinley, P Marlow, D Harte, D Carlin, B Boggs, M Murphy, S Cavanagh, T McGuigan, O Mulligan, C Cavanagh, C McCarron, P Rouse, D McDermott. Subs: R Mellon for S Cavanagh, E McGinley for Murphy, N Gormley for McDermott, M Penrose for Harte.
Derry: S O'Kane, K McGuckin, K McCann, J Keenan, A McAlynn, F Doherty, L Hinphey, Patsy Bradley, J Conway, R McElhone, A McCartney, C Moran, C Gilligan, Paddy Bradley, E Bradley. Subs; K McCloy for Hinphey, P O'Hea for McAlynn, J Kelly for Moran, Paul Bradley for McCartan
Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/6261225.stm
Who's the K McCann?
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on April 02, 2008, 05:54:10 PM
Would like to see something a bit different up front for Tyrone in this game after we really struggled there on Sunday and at times played without a full forward line. There's no chance this will be the team but Id like to see the following:
P McConnell
M Swift
C Gormley
PJ Quinn
D Harte
R McMenamin
P Jordan
Justy McMahon
C Holmes (or Hub if fit)
E McGinley
T McGuigan
R Mellon
C McCullagh
S Cavanagh
C Cavanagh
The Cavanaghs could be given a bit of freedom to go out the field and help when neccesary. Mulgrew would be unlucky not to start but did nothing the last day and would give Tommy McGuigan a chance out the field after being quiet in the full forward line. More realistically the team will be the same as named last week (McCullagh in for Snowy) with only a change of keeper. Mickey McGee, McCaul and Gourley must be due some game time though.
Thank the Lord you are no where near the Tyrone management. Send that team out and we're wiped in the full back line, overpowered right through the middle diamond and playing one up front.
QuoteQuoteQuote from: Fuzzman on April 02, 2008, 04:50:54 PM
Do most of ye feel Armagh have replaced Derry as the aul enemy or is it just that I used to know more Derry fans than Armagh fans.
For me, Derry will always be the auld enemy.
I've a lot of respect for Armagh.
Always thought that the main rivalrys were Armagh v Down and Tyrone v Derry. Think the Tyrone v Armagh was more a natural consequence of 2 neighbouring counties each having their best teams ever at the same time.
Tyrone v Derry is the big rivalry in Ulster at all levels.
There's nothing better than seeing the Sperrin lads heading home after a defeat knowing that their first cousin is waiting on them.
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 02, 2008, 04:50:54 PM
Do most of ye feel Armagh have replaced Derry as the aul enemy or is it just that I used to know more Derry fans than Armagh fans.
I feel we could have a cracker game on Saturday night although there could be snow according to the forecast.
I think Tyrone will turn it on now that's it's officially Spring.
I'll never forget driving home from the match in Clones in 95 with another Tyrone lad and 2 Derry lads.
The tension was high after we'd sang for the 1st 10 miles
"We beat Derry with 13 men, Doo Daa Doo Daa"
"We beat Derry with 13 men, Doo Daa Doo Daa Daay"
That would be giving them too much credit - always will be Armagh, depends which side of the bushes ye hail from - need to dig a big trench up there to keep them out - something the size of the blackwater river
Quote from: rrhf on April 02, 2008, 06:06:37 PM
Any other underperforming Moy men ye could slip in there?
easy now betsy
I'd agree with Fishbat, it def depends on where your from
if your from around my neck of the woods, Derry is fairly meaningless TBH
It is and always will be the Orchard Men ;D
Quote from: screenexile on April 02, 2008, 04:59:27 PM
However I think it is the younger generation who think Armagh are the main rival, they probably weren't around for the battle of Clones in 1995 and don't understand the deep hatred and vitriol that spewed from both sides as a crowd of Tyrone spoilers did a hatchet job on a talented Derry team which allowed Canavan to get a rare performance in to beat us.
Was that the day the "talented Derry team" buckled?? What about 96 when the same "Tyrone spoilers" hammered the same "talented Derry team" in the semi final of the ulster championship?
No doubt about it Tyrone-Derry is THE rivalry particularly round the loughshore. No county I despise more than the in bred neighbours.
Quote from: screenexile on April 02, 2008, 04:59:27 PM
I dunno about the whole rivalry thing. Myself and all my Tyrone friends would all be of the opinion that Derry and Tyrone hate eachother the mostest in the whole wide world!
However I think it is the younger generation who think Armagh are the main rival, they probably weren't around for the battle of Clones in 1995 and don't understand the deep hatred and vitriol that spewed from both sides as a crowd of Tyrone spoilers did a hatchet job on a talented Derry team which allowed Canavan to get a rare performance in to beat us.
I suppose it's just that Tyrone are the most hated county in Ireland that means both Armagh and Derry have hatred for them. You aren't a nice people really and for some reason you all seem to have fat heads and like to argue a lot... just my opinion but I think most of my Derry and Armagh colleagues would agree! ;D ;D
:D :D :D Could NOT agree more!
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 02, 2008, 04:50:54 PM
"We beat Derry with 13 men, Doo Daa Doo Daa Daay"
Fcuksake that's going to be stuck in my head all day >:(
For me it was always Derry too. Being on the border with Fermanagh there was never a big problem with rivalry from them. :-X
tyrone girls where always easy :o ...... hey maybe your dads from the oakleaf county........
face the backlash this weekend - we'll make ye feel at home - and bring your sister...........
Quote from: Doire abú on April 02, 2008, 10:39:41 PM
As for last year's McKenna Cup game...
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Tyrone 1-15 0-9 Derry
Paul Rouse (left) gets the ball away despite Kevin McCann's attentions
Paul Rouse (left) was among Tyrone's scorers at Healy Park
Tyrone's first-half blitz enabled them to comfortably defeat Derry in Sunday's Gaelic Life McKenna Cup clash at Omagh.
Red Hand boss Mickey Harte used UUJ squad players Colm Cavanagh, Brendan Boggs and Damien McCaul in the game, defying an Ulster Council directive.
Derry led 0-2 to 0-1 but Tyrone hit 10 unanswered points before Cathal McCarron's goal just before the break.
The Oak Leafers produced a mini-revival after the break but Tyrone were never in danger and won pulling up.
Early points from the Bradley brothers, Paddy and Eoin, gave Derry a promising start, but Tyrone were soon into their stride.
Midfielder Mickey Murphy hit three points, with Tommy McGuigan, Damien McDermott, Paul Rouse, Davy Harte and Colm Cavanagh also getting their names on the scoresheet.
Newcomers Damien McDermott and Cathal McCarron were also on target, and while Paddy Bradley pulled back a Derry point late in the half, but by that stage Tyrone had already racked up 11 scores.
The Red Hands hit the visitors with another blow in stoppage time when McCarron grabbed his goal from a rebound after Derry goalkeeper Shane O'Kane had failed to hold his initial shot.
Derry narrowed the gap with scores from Paddy and Eoin Bradley and Conleth Gilligan in the third quarter but McCarron's accuracy from frees kept Tyrone comfortably in front.
Tyrone scorers: C McCarron 1-3 (3 frees), M Murphy 0-3, T McGuigan, D McDermott 0-2 each, C Cavanagh, O Mulligan, D Harte, D Carin, P Rouse (free) 0-1 each.
Derry scorers: Paddy Bradley 0-5 (2 frees), E Bradley 0-2, C Gilligan, R McElhone 0-1 each.
Tyrone: P McConnell, D McCaul, C McGinley, P Marlow, D Harte, D Carlin, B Boggs, M Murphy, S Cavanagh, T McGuigan, O Mulligan, C Cavanagh, C McCarron, P Rouse, D McDermott. Subs: R Mellon for S Cavanagh, E McGinley for Murphy, N Gormley for McDermott, M Penrose for Harte.
Derry: S O'Kane, K McGuckin, K McCann, J Keenan, A McAlynn, F Doherty, L Hinphey, Patsy Bradley, J Conway, R McElhone, A McCartney, C Moran, C Gilligan, Paddy Bradley, E Bradley. Subs; K McCloy for Hinphey, P O'Hea for McAlynn, J Kelly for Moran, Paul Bradley for McCartan
Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/6261225.stm
Who's the K McCann?
I think that is Kevin McCann from Greenlough. Dodger I think his nickname is. He was a very good player Underage but I haven't seen much of him since.
QuoteDo most of ye feel Armagh have replaced Derry as the aul enemy or is it just that I used to know more Derry fans than Armagh fans.
I feel we could have a cracker game on Saturday night although there could be snow according to the forecast.
I think Tyrone will turn it on now that's it's officially Spring.
I'll never forget driving home from the match in Clones in 95 with another Tyrone lad and 2 Derry lads.
The tension was high after we'd sang for the 1st 10 miles
"We beat Derry with 13 men, Doo Daa Doo Daa"
"We beat Derry with 13 men, Doo Daa Doo Daa Daay"
Definitely Derry, but as mentioned its due to where you're from in the county. I will never forget the game in 95, I was only about 12 but two things stand out:- The burger was rotten and the Derry fans slabbering and looking to start a riot because they were taught a lesson. Was good craic as a few of my Da's brothers were with us and they are Derry men as they unfortunately live a few miles on the wrong side of the border out the longland road towards Claudy. The old boy can be seen wearing both jereys, depending on who's doing well.
Quote from: Oakleafer1993 on April 03, 2008, 08:56:42 AM
tyrone girls where always easy :o
I lived in Derry for a few years. It weren't the Tyrone girls...
Easy Ziggy. Nadine coyle might well be reading and she'd never visit Greencastle in the snow again, in protest. if she thought that you thought that she was easy.
phew!
Ah now lads ye've all had a go at Philomena stop lying!!!
I remember talking to a number of Derry players involved in that game and they all said the same thing...that it was the only game in their lives that they felt they were going to be physically abused by tyrones supporters as they ran unto the pitch after the game. Does that not sum up the whole affair?
Quote from: ziggysego on April 03, 2008, 10:11:08 AM
Quote from: Oakleafer1993 on April 03, 2008, 08:56:42 AM
tyrone girls where always easy :o
I lived in Derry for a few years. It weren't the Tyrone girls...
maybe you are right - lucky us! -- tyrone girl?.. aye sure dominic kirwan ran off with a english woman :-\
Quote from: Maximus Marillius on April 03, 2008, 10:38:14 AM
I remember talking to a number of Derry players involved in that game and they all said the same thing...that it was the only game in their lives that they felt they were going to be physically abused by tyrones supporters as they ran unto the pitch after the game. Does that not sum up the whole affair?
would agree with that.
the tyronies were lucky to even have 13 men on the pitch by half time let alone at the end of the game.
thats why I have to have some level of admiration for them, they will use every trick in the book - dirty, fair , foul or cynical.
It is up to the ref to properly adjudicate when they are playing.
tyrone winning with 13 men is misleading as derry played 30 minutes with 14 men after Fergal Mc Cusker was sent off.......but Derry were in free fall due to Mickey doing the dirty on Coleman(RIP) and derry were a disaster waiting to happen...the first team who put it up them and test their heart were tyrone and the nett result was inevitable.
Think Derry city weemen are the most THRAN (awkward for non Ulstermen) stuck up posey bunch I've ever come across (Oops)
They're fierce good looking though but man can they NAW have a straight forward conversation or wha?
No wonder ye think anywhere else is easy after tackling THON creatures!
Doo Da Doo Da Daay!!!
PS I'm getting myself ready for the weekend trip to Derry/Londonderry City so gotta polish up on the Aul sayings HI.
Horse it intae ye Sor
Lynchboy
Any tactics at all to Hool onto PTG eh?
No wonder McKeever did so well on him over the years with the amount of times he fouled him he could never score from play.
As for the Downeys and that gentleman Coleman, (God rest his soul) or even Muillins I think you must feel like a Black kettle now SUR!
Anyone want to stab a guess at who Mickey will line out this week?
I could see Carlin getting back in but I'd rather see McCaul. I wonder is he inhured or has he done something to annoy Mickey
It might not be my 1st choice but I reckon he'll go for..
Devine
PJ
Block to mark Paddy B
Ricey to double mark Paddy B
Harte
Carlin
Jordan
Holmes
Enda
C.Cavanagh
Mulgrew
S.Cavanagh
Gormley
McCullagh
Snowy O'Neill even though I heard he was poor v Donegal.
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 03, 2008, 01:41:32 PM
Anyone want to stab a guess at who Mickey will line out this week?
I could see Carlin getting back in but I'd rather see McCaul. I wonder is he inhured or has he done something to annoy Mickey
It might not be my 1st choice but I reckon he'll go for..
Devine
PJ
Block to mark Paddy B
Ricey to double mark Paddy B
Harte
Carlin
Jordan
Holmes
Enda
C.Cavanagh
Mulgrew
S.Cavanagh
Gormley
McCullagh
Snowy O'Neill even though I heard he was poor v Donegal.
Eoin Bradley is a damn good footballer when he puts his mind to it as well - so we might need someone to look after him as well !
Mc Caul seems a nice lad andI can't see him having upset MH
Yeah we scored 13 points without Paddy Bradley scoring at all against Galway and I would blame the fact that we were missing Doherty for the reason we conceded so much. Not that we would have won but it wouldn't have been so comprehensivel beaten had he been playing.
I would have a plan B in case that men Ricey leaves free starts chipping over a few of his own scores!!!!
In a continuation to the goalkeeping rotation policy, isn't it not jonathan curran's turn for keeper jersey this weekend?? or will Beard exercise his discretion and put in one of the 2 more experienced keepers?? Young curran seems inexperienced, and his kickouts v donegal in mckenna cup left a lot to be desired:
Team
Finbar
McCaul
McMahon
Ricey
Davy
Gormley
Jordan
Holmes
Sean
Enda
T McGuigan
Mulgrew
Niall Gormley
Colm Cavanagh
McCullagh
By god these T-ronnies are obsessed with in-breading. Coming from county where in-breading is so obviously common practice with examples such as:
- The entire Harte clan....lets face it Davy is probably Mickeys son...or brother....or both...
- Ryan McMenamin
- Brian Dooher
...to name but a few that have got to be direct results of incestuous relationships.
Then there's Hugo Duncan....himself the result of in-breading, I'm sure you've all fantasised about have a wee go at him.
Quote from: tbrick18 on April 03, 2008, 02:15:26 PM
By god these T-ronnies are obsessed with in-breading. Coming from county where in-breading is so obviously common practice with examples such as:
- The entire Harte clan....lets face it Davy is probably Mickeys son...or brother....or both...
- Ryan McMenamin
- Brian Dooher
...to name but a few that have got to be direct results of incestuous relationships.
Then there's Hugo Duncan....himself the result of in-breading, I'm sure you've all fantasised about have a wee go at him.
In-breading? You a baker or sumthin?
In-breading as in Pat the Baker?
QuoteFinbar
McCaul
McMahon
Ricey
Davy
Gormley
Jordan
Holmes
Sean
Enda
T McGuigan
Mulgrew
Niall Gormley
Colm Cavanagh
McCullagh
This is more like it Mickey will probably start with Quinn.
I'd like to see:
Finbar
Ricey - McMahon - Carlin/McGee
Nephew - Block - Model
Sherlock - Sean
Enda - Mulgrew - Tommy
Gormley - O'Neill - McCullagh
Getting near to the stage of now or never for Snowy. One good performance could nail a starting place. It'd be great to see him or Gormley raking a good personal tally and continue the form into the Mayo game. We need someone who'll be bursting with confidence come May and will put the shivers up a few defenders.
It seems to be a case of finding a front 6 which meshes best of all (excluding Dooher and McGuigan). Mickey has a habit of finding it eventually.
The questions still to be answered are:
Will Mulgrew develop into an inter-county class CHF?
Can we find a FF target man or someone to feed off Mulgrew?
Who is the preferred and effective MF partner for Sean?
Can we afford to take Sean out of MF?
Can Gormley become a regular and dependable free-taker?
Can Ricey be depended upon to play corner back?
Is Justin our regular FB?
Is it Carlin, McGee, Swift or Quinn? It'd be great to have a settled side for the Down game, although unless we reach the final that's just a couple of matches away.
Quote from: Captain Black on April 03, 2008, 03:09:13 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on April 03, 2008, 02:15:26 PM
By god these T-ronnies are obsessed with in-breading. Coming from county where in-breading is so obviously common practice with examples such as:
- The entire Harte clan....lets face it Davy is probably Mickeys son...or brother....or both...
- Ryan McMenamin
- Brian Dooher
...to name but a few that have got to be direct results of incestuous relationships.
Then there's Hugo Duncan....himself the result of in-breading, I'm sure you've all fantasised about have a wee go at him.
In-breading? You a baker or sumthin?
:D :D
A bit of a slip there alright.....anyone need a birthday cake or some currant buns?
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 03, 2008, 10:53:59 AM
Think Derry city weemen are the most THRAN (awkward for non Ulstermen) stuck up posey bunch I've ever come across (Oops)
They're fierce good looking though but man can they NAW have a straight forward conversation or wha?
No wonder ye think anywhere else is easy after tackling THON creatures!
Doo Da Doo Da Daay!!!
PS I'm getting myself ready for the weekend trip to Derry/Londonderry City so gotta polish up on the Aul sayings HI.
:(its no wonder why we look down on you 'tranny's'. I just pity you all and your sad county! :D
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Lynchboy
Any tactics at all to Hool onto PTG eh?
No wonder McKeever did so well on him over the years with the amount of times he fouled him he could never score from play.
As for the Downeys and that gentleman Coleman, (God rest his soul) or even Muillins I think you must feel like a Black kettle now SUR!
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mcKeever was a dirty wee hoor, but dint have to be too dirty on canavan , who in mckeevers own words was dirtier than himself and always started it - so mckeever finished it.
the rest of that is more bog fiction from the 'landfill county' :D
Would like to see a bit of physical presence in full forward line, Derry have big men in defence and for us to win, we need to penetrate them and get scores...don't think last weekend's full forward line would do that. Derry have one of the best back 6's in island...chances are that Lockhart will be in at some stage....therefore, i would like to see Colm Cavanagh or Hub if fit in on edge of square...neither are valid longterm answers there, nor natural full forwards, but horses for courses...
Think Beard has a lot of time for snowy, he came 1st in squad fitness test, he will take time to come to terms with step up, here's a long shot, Marty Penrose??? He wasn't far away 05/06...
agree full back line could be a problem despite an apparent surplus of cornerbacks...
Justy will be named at full back but line out at centre half for this one for Gormley to take care of bradley...but i fear for the full back line as a whole, as i feel we are back to pre 2003 when our last line was regularly exposed...swift did ok v Laois, but remember the skinning from McFadden he got in mckenna?? That is the level we have to judge our corner backs...are they fit to handle top drawer forward in champuionship in clones/croke park, or even closer to home, Down in Omagh??? Coulter, McComiskey, Dan Gordon???
think full back line has got to be McCaul, McMahon and possibly Gormley depending on opponents inside line....
also heard Dooher and a lot of senior players unhappy at Beards comments about Davy's wonder performance v Laois...seems even the players notice the gaping holes down right side of defence
If Derry can get back to the form they were in against Kildare, then I think we should shade it by a couple of points.
But, I suspect we will see Derry perform better than they did against Galway but not as good as they did against Kildare. Tyrone are gradually improving so I think this has the makings of a tight and probably low scoring game.
A lot will depend on what kind of game Bradley has....he was very poor against Galway. Not only was he well marked, but he didnt seem to put the same work in that he usually does, I dont see that happening again. Derry should win more possesion in mid-field than in the Galway game with doherty back which should make life easier for the defence and give us more attacking options from half back line.
We are still 5-6 players away from our championship starting 15 so if we were to get a win here it would be very encouraging.
Quote from: To whom it may concern on April 03, 2008, 03:32:58 PM
Derry have one of the best back 6's in island...
are you Gnevin in disguise :D
Which one of their back 6 is one of the best back six's in Ireland?
Quote from: rrhf on April 03, 2008, 04:14:08 PM
Which one of their back 6 is one of the best back six's in Ireland?
he has you on a technicality
he did say 'island' ;)
Quote from: lynchbhoy on April 03, 2008, 04:17:50 PM
Quote from: rrhf on April 03, 2008, 04:14:08 PM
Which one of their back 6 is one of the best back six's in Ireland?
he has you on a technicality
he did say 'island' ;)
good one LB :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Ah FFS. Coal island
Quote from: To whom it may concern on April 03, 2008, 03:32:58 PM
Would like to see a bit of physical presence in full forward line, Derry have big men in defence and for us to win, we need to penetrate them and get scores...don't think last weekend's full forward line would do that. Derry have one of the best back 6's in island...chances are that Lockhart will be in at some stage....therefore, i would like to see Colm Cavanagh or Hub if fit in on edge of square...neither are valid longterm answers there, nor natural full forwards, but horses for courses...
Think Beard has a lot of time for snowy, he came 1st in squad fitness test, he will take time to come to terms with step up, here's a long shot, Marty Penrose??? He wasn't far away 05/06...
agree full back line could be a problem despite an apparent surplus of cornerbacks...
Justy will be named at full back but line out at centre half for this one for Gormley to take care of bradley...but i fear for the full back line as a whole, as i feel we are back to pre 2003 when our last line was regularly exposed...swift did ok v Laois, but remember the skinning from McFadden he got in mckenna?? That is the level we have to judge our corner backs...are they fit to handle top drawer forward in champuionship in clones/croke park, or even closer to home, Down in Omagh??? Coulter, McComiskey, Dan Gordon???
think full back line has got to be McCaul, McMahon and possibly Gormley depending on opponents inside line....
also heard Dooher and a lot of senior players unhappy at Beards comments about Davy's wonder performance v Laois...seems even the players notice the gaping holes down right side of defence
Mc Caul hasn't featured so far - is he keeping him for the championship or is he destined to remain on the bench ?
Davy's performance against Laois was famtastic IMHO - Surely others should have covered for Davy if he was making the attcking runs ??
Quote from: ONeill on April 02, 2008, 11:53:15 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on April 02, 2008, 05:54:10 PM
Would like to see something a bit different up front for Tyrone in this game after we really struggled there on Sunday and at times played without a full forward line. There's no chance this will be the team but Id like to see the following:
P McConnell
M Swift
C Gormley
PJ Quinn
D Harte
R McMenamin
P Jordan
Justy McMahon
C Holmes (or Hub if fit)
E McGinley
T McGuigan
R Mellon
C McCullagh
S Cavanagh
C Cavanagh
The Cavanaghs could be given a bit of freedom to go out the field and help when neccesary. Mulgrew would be unlucky not to start but did nothing the last day and would give Tommy McGuigan a chance out the field after being quiet in the full forward line. More realistically the team will be the same as named last week (McCullagh in for Snowy) with only a change of keeper. Mickey McGee, McCaul and Gourley must be due some game time though.
Thank the Lord you are no where near the Tyrone management. Send that team out and we're wiped in the full back line, overpowered right through the middle diamond and playing one up front.
That defence has already pretty much played together this season and done well. The players in the full back line have done pretty well most of the time (but on occassions have struggled). Were you at the Laois game? Your alternative is Carlin who was very poor that night (and in the earlier games) and when Swift replaced him looked like a much better option.
That forward line I picked wouldnt be anything like Id want to see come championship but couldnt perform any worse than the one lined out on Sunday. The forwards on Sunday really struggled to turn possession into scores. The midfiled might struggle but would get support from Mellon, McGinley and the Cavanaghs. Would probably like to see McCaul get a run actually, possibly in place of Harte.
I'd like to see Sean Cavanagh play midfield which is IMO his best position and where is at his most effective and most dangerous.
Ideally so would I. Dont think to many would argue that its his best position. The problem is we're very light up front at the minute and he's one possible solution. Midfield has being doing pretty well without him and McGinley has been playing better than he has played for Tyrone than in a long time.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on April 03, 2008, 06:32:37 PM
Ideally so would I. Dont think to many would argue that its his best position. The problem is we're very light up front at the minute and he's one possible solution. Midfield has being doing pretty well without him and McGinley has been playing better than he has played for Tyrone than in a long time.
But if gain control at midfield and keep a steady supply going in, surely that will improve our chances ?
I thought we got the better of midfield on Sunday (particularly in the 2nd half) but the forwards and the full forward line in particular struggled to keep the ball. It makes life very difficult when your not turning possession into scores at this level.
When was the last time Tyrone beat Derry at senior level in Celtic Park?
I remember attending the Tyrone/Derry game in 1986. Was that in Celtic Park?
No suprises with the team named - Curran back into nets, swift in for PJ Quinn and McCullagh in for Snowy. Would expect McMenman and Gormley to switch like last Sunday.
Quote from: ONeill on April 03, 2008, 07:40:47 PM
I remember attending the Tyrone/Derry game in 1986. Was that in Celtic Park?
To answer my own question, no it wasn't. I remember it was in Omagh as we lost to Derry in Ballinascreen the year before. Beat Derry in Omagh in 84.
1. Johnathan Curran
2. Martin Swift
3. Justin McMahon
4. Ryan McMenamin
5. Davy Harte
6. Conor Gormley
7. Philip Jordan
8. Colin Holmes
9. Sean Cavanagh
10. Ryan Mellon
11. Raymond Mulgrew
12. Enda McGinley
13. Niall Gormley
14. Colm McCullagh
15. Tommy McGuigan
Happy enough. Good to see Sean back in position.
O'neill I didn't realise ye were as old as that...what about yer poster from Down he must be in his sixties
Not that oul boy. I think Omagh 84 was the first.
Happy enough with that lineout too. Agree with Ricey's comments during the week, that the new lads should be given a bit of latitude to bed in. We're not doing too badly condsidering it was, more or less, a rookie full forward line against Donegal, and they didn't acquit themselves half badly; I do reckon both Gormley and O'Neill have more to give, perhaps a lot more, and Mc Guigan's maturing nicely.
Tír Eoghain abú, let's beat this rejected rump of Tír Eoghain that goes by the name of Doire ;)
some mouthful from someone coming from a football dynasty that exists in strabane :D :D
Quote from: ONeill on April 03, 2008, 09:25:53 PM
Not that oul boy. I think Omagh 84 was the first.
It was Ballinascreen in 84 & 85. Omagh was as you say 86 when McGinn scored the winner.
Quote from: Maximus Marillius on April 03, 2008, 09:34:46 PM
some mouthful from someone coming from a football dynasty that exists in strabane
Indeed, we might have slipped a notch or two in recent years, but:
1902. First G.A.A. club formed in Strabane.
1904. Strabane man Michael O'Nolan elected first chairman of the Tyrone County Board, he was also chairman of the Ulster Council from 1904-1907. O'Nolans son Brian otherwise known as Flann O'Brien/Myles na gCopaleen went on to achieve international acclaim as a writer.
1904/05. Strabane Lámh Dhearg lost to Coalisland Na Fianna in the first ever Tyrone Senior football championship final. The same year Strabane won the first ever Tyrone Senior Hurling championship title defeating Dungannon Emmett's.
1905/06. Strabane Fág-a-Bealach won the Tyrone Senior football championship title defeating Donaghmore Eire Ógs in the final.
1911. Dr George Sigerson after whom the present day club is named in his honour, presented the Sigerson Cup for competition between the universities of Ireland. Dr Sigerson was then a professor at U.C.D. He was born at Hollyhill on the outskirts of Strabane in 1836 and died in 1925....
And you were saying?... :P
Quote from: reddgnhand on April 03, 2008, 09:41:58 PM
It was Ballinascreen in 84 & 85. Omagh was as you say 86 when McGinn scored the winner.
Was Celtic Park not used for a number of years?
The only Derry v Tyrone Championship game I remember in Celtic Park was in 92, a couple of weeks after the League Final.
Quote1911. Dr George Sigerson after whom the present day club is named in his honour, presented the Sigerson Cup for competition between the universities of Ireland. Dr Sigerson was then a professor at U.C.D. He was born at Hollyhill on the outskirts of Strabane in 1836 and died in 1925.
He's a regular in the Glen is George ;)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 03, 2008, 09:44:25 PM
Quote from: Maximus Marillius on April 03, 2008, 09:34:46 PM
some mouthful from someone coming from a football dynasty that exists in strabane
Indeed, we might have slipped a notch or two in recent years, but:
1902. First G.A.A. club formed in Strabane.
1904. Strabane man Michael O'Nolan elected first chairman of the Tyrone County Board, he was also chairman of the Ulster Council from 1904-1907. O'Nolans son Brian otherwise known as Flann O'Brien/Myles na gCopaleen went on to achieve international acclaim as a writer.
1904/05. Strabane Lámh Dhearg lost to Coalisland Na Fianna in the first ever Tyrone Senior football championship final. The same year Strabane won the first ever Tyrone Senior Hurling championship title defeating Dungannon Emmett's.
1905/06. Strabane Fág-a-Bealach won the Tyrone Senior football championship title defeating Donaghmore Eire Ógs in the final.
1911. Dr George Sigerson after whom the present day club is named in his honour, presented the Sigerson Cup for competition between the universities of Ireland. Dr Sigerson was then a professor at U.C.D. He was born at Hollyhill on the outskirts of Strabane in 1836 and died in 1925.
...
And you were saying?... :P
I guess your idea of a
football dynasty is not near the same as my own...
Quote from: Maximus Marillius on April 03, 2008, 10:41:37 PM
I guess your idea of a football dynasty is not near the same as my own...
Sorry... and Bellaghy are currently the champions of what/where?
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on April 03, 2008, 10:17:40 PM
Quote1911. Dr George Sigerson after whom the present day club is named in his honour, presented the Sigerson Cup for competition between the universities of Ireland. Dr Sigerson was then a professor at U.C.D. He was born at Hollyhill on the outskirts of Strabane in 1836 and died in 1925.
He's a regular in the Glen is George ;)
Ssshhhh! Norf, he's a Derryman! ;)
Quote from: ONeill on April 03, 2008, 08:48:45 PM
Quote from: ONeill on April 03, 2008, 07:40:47 PM
I remember attending the Tyrone/Derry game in 1986. Was that in Celtic Park?
To answer my own question, no it wasn't. I remember it was in Omagh as we lost to Derry in Ballinascreen the year before. Beat Derry in Omagh in 84.
1. Johnathan Curran
2. Martin Swift
3. Justin McMahon
4. Ryan McMenamin
5. Davy Harte
6. Conor Gormley
7. Philip Jordan
8. Colin Holmes
9. Sean Cavanagh
10. Ryan Mellon
11. Raymond Mulgrew
12. Enda McGinley
13. Niall Gormley
14. Colm McCullagh
15. Tommy McGuigan
Happy enough. Good to see Sean back in position.
Goodteam but the forward linelooks a bit weak IMO but my greatest concern is at full back. I don't think Justin Mc Mahon is our solution there. He is an attacking player and although he can fill important gaps I don't think he is our full back. We need to find a full back who can reliably mark players such as Paddy Bradley or Conal Keaney, and Mc Mahon is not that player. He is a good player don't get me wrong but just not good enough for full back IMHO.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 03, 2008, 10:44:24 PM
Quote from: Maximus Marillius on April 03, 2008, 10:41:37 PM
I guess your idea of a football dynasty is not near the same as my own...
Sorry... and Bellaghy are currently the champions of what/where?
Bellaghy are well known as a dynasty in Derry football as their jerseys have the biggest shoulderpads in the SFC.
However you wee tyronies resemble the oompa loompas from dodgy willie wonka and his chocolate factory ;)
I think we're still waiting on Justin to be tested yet. I suppose Omagh Gaels would have a fair idea of his suitability but Mickey must be seeing something in training. Conor Gormley can't continue to plug gaps all over the joint.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on April 03, 2008, 11:11:15 PM
However you wee tyronies resemble the oompa loompas from dodgy willie wonka and his chocolate factory ;)
Aye, show us yer Sams. You only won her that year because it was too wet for Donegal and Down were taking a breather. Yiz f**king got yer comeuppance in 95.
Quote from: ONeill on April 03, 2008, 11:15:39 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on April 03, 2008, 11:11:15 PM
However you wee tyronies resemble the oompa loompas from dodgy willie wonka and his chocolate factory ;)
Aye, show us yer Sams. You only won her that year because it was too wet for Donegal and Down were taking a breather. Yiz f**king got yer comeuppance in 95.
and you got twice the thrashing in 97 - made sweeter for me being amongst a full Irish centre of 'land-fillers' (there was about 10 Derry lads and 100 oompa loompas) in Philadelphia!
and as for having more sams , yeah thats great, but remember who won it forst. We just got bored ! ;) :D
Quote from: go4goal on April 03, 2008, 10:59:56 PM
Goodteam but the forward linelooks a bit weak IMO but my greatest concern is at full back. I don't think Justin Mc Mahon is our solution there. He is an attacking player and although he can fill important gaps I don't think he is our full back. We need to find a full back who can reliably mark players such as Paddy Bradley or Conal Keaney, and Mc Mahon is not that player. He is a good player don't get me wrong but just not good enough for full back IMHO.
Agreed but where is that player? At the moment there doesnt seem to be an outstanding candidate and as such Justin McMahon deserves a few games to see what he can do. As O'Neill said we cant be relying on Conor Gormley to plug all the gaps all the time. Overall I would be quite happy with the look of that team. Not convinced Holmes is a starter but suppose he rarely lets Tyrone down. Would like to see Niall Gormley get a few scores.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on April 03, 2008, 11:51:56 PM
and you got twice the thrashing in 97 - made sweeter for me being amongst a full Irish centre of 'land-fillers' (there was about 10 Derry lads and 100 oompa loompas) in Philadelphia!
and as for having more sams , yeah thats great, but remember who won it forst. We just got bored ! ;) :D
You say 97, I say 04 ;)
Wouldn't it be great if it was like this all the time, you don't even have to try to mask the contempt ;D
Quote from: tyrone86 on April 03, 2008, 11:59:26 PM
You say 97, I say 04 ;)
Wouldn't it be great if it was like this all the time, you don't even have to try to mask the contempt ;D
I'll see your 04 and raise you the tanking yous got in omagh in 06.
Checkmate :D
contempt - ach you wee trannys are beneath it ;)
Quote from: lynchbhoy on April 04, 2008, 12:11:26 AM
Quote from: tyrone86 on April 03, 2008, 11:59:26 PM
You say 97, I say 04 ;)
Wouldn't it be great if it was like this all the time, you don't even have to try to mask the contempt ;D
I'll see your 04 and raise you the tanking yous got in omagh in 06.
Checkmate :D
contempt - ach you wee trannys are beneath it ;)
Well after bating youse 3 years in a row in 02, 03 and 04, youse where due one. Sure Mickey handed it to ye that day in 06, the only time I've ever seen a one man full forward line in a football match
That 06 game barely registered with me. My children arrived home from hospital that morning with their mother of course. First time I changed a nappy was during the first half, just as Hughes got the red.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on April 03, 2008, 11:11:15 PM
Bellaghy are well known as a dynasty in Derry football...
Oh how they'll cherish the fulsome Dungiven support... like a coursing hare cherishes the greyhound perchance, or a fox cherishes the unspeakable (in pursuit of the inedible (thanks Oscar)), or the trout cherishes the laden hook, or the desperate defaulter cherishes the taxman... indeed lynchbhoy, Banquo's Ghost to Macbeth you are not, not half! ;)
Quote from: ONeill on April 04, 2008, 12:25:55 AM
That 06 game barely registered with me. My children arrived home from hospital that morning with their mother of course. First time I changed a nappy was during the first half, just as Hughes got the red.
What I loved about that game was how the players and supporters celebrated after the game. Then they went out the next game and got dumped on their arses.
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41698000/jpg/_41698554_3derry.jpg)
1905/06. Strabane Fág-a-Bealach won the Tyrone Senior football championship title defeating Donaghmore Eire Ógs in the final.
It still rankles.
Alas FOSB if they never knew their history in the first place, they have forgotten nothing - the world of the nouveaux riche.
One thing that worries me for Saturday night. The best forwards from Tyrone either play for Derry or Derry City. Can yis not grow yer own FFS?
Derry: B Gillis, K McGuckin, K McCloy, F McEldowney, L Hinphey, G O'Kane, M McIver, F Doherty, J Conway, M Lynch, B McGoldrick, E Muldoon, C Gilligan, P Bradley, E Bradley.
ONeill to refresh that sagging memory of yours
Come on Tyrone 86, by Taylormade
"In Omagh we bate derry
then we went to irvinestown"
Whatever happens and If you want to combine good food and footy. Visit the non bookable "exchange" restaurant at the City Hotel R'about. If chinese is your thing, the mandarin palace at the waterfront is fab. If your tastes are more for a beer and a quick s~~g try any of the more popular city centre bars. GAA bars for Hogan Cup final, its a case of drop in to any of the bars and fight over the remote or indeed call into Henry Downeys. Enjoy
Tyrone by 1
Quote from: Oakleafer1993 on April 04, 2008, 08:51:04 AM
Derry: B Gillis, K McGuckin, K McCloy, F McEldowney, L Hinphey, G O'Kane, M McIver, F Doherty, J Conway, M Lynch, B McGoldrick, E Muldoon, C Gilligan, P Bradley, E Bradley.
From the Galway game then, young McBride and Murphy to the bench and in comes Gerard O'Kane and Fergal Doherty. Might regret this by still cant see Tyrone getting anything from this game. After the roasting Derry got down in Galway, they'll be keen to get back to winning ways, and what better way possible! I'm sure other posters will know, but pretty sure Derry havent lost that up games up in Celtic Park.
No real surprises in the Tyrone team. Some interesting comments about Justin McMahon and would agree with some of them. I would be sceptical about his defensive capabilities but hopefully he will be well tested tomorrow night and will rise to the challenge.
Tyrone will get it very tight to win tomorrow night. Gone are the days of swashbuckling football where they could play anyway the opposition wanted it and come out on top in either a dog fight or a shoot out. Containment is now the name of the game, hopefully they can do a job tomorrow night.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 03, 2008, 10:44:24 PM
Quote from: Maximus Marillius on April 03, 2008, 10:41:37 PM
I guess your idea of a football dynasty is not near the same as my own...
Sorry... and Bellaghy are currently the champions of what/where?
Fear on Srath...can you list the senior championships ye have in Tyrone in the past.....lets give you a bit of latitude on this.....say the past 50 yrs. With a population ye have in Strabane and having a footballing dynasty this should be no bother to ya. ;)
Team named was along lines of what i expected...
so who will mark who in defence?? Gormley on paddy bradley...ricey on eoin bradley or gilligan? Swift will prob pick up the other one of those two....big task for him, think eoin bradley is hard to handle if he got turning it on...don't underestimate conleth gilligan, who'll prob float across forward line...enda muldoon on kickouts??? who will pick him up?? i'd expect maybe mcmahon...
this is where i think davy is and will be exposed...if they line up man for man in half back line, muldoon will surely test him, the kinda test davy has benn highlighted as coming up short...i feel he has a role on this tyrone team but facts state he has been exposed by a direct opponent on several occasions....remember geraghty last year while he was on davy's wing?? gollogly in ulster final when davy was taken off??
'05 against the dubs and armagh in semi final when he gifted clarke the ball to shoot them ahead and mickey took him off??
i think he is more suited to a dooher style sweeping role-he is very good on the ball and naturally two footed, but i feel he struggles defensively esp when run at....
what about gourley?? he hasn't even had a run and has plenty of experience...just feel our team isn't experienced enough, nor with enough leaders....realistically the hard tests are ahead...
will our forward line get the scores when called upon...if we are to consider or aspire to all ireland standard again, where are our scores going to come from?? any past sam winner has had lethal inside line...look at our current full forward line...
just feel derry defence are all superior to our full forward line...think we will struggle to penetrate like the galway defence did last week...i expect a comprehensive, but not embarrassing defeat...
Quote from: To whom it may concern on April 04, 2008, 09:32:33 AM
Team named was along lines of what i expected...
so who will mark who in defence?? Gormley on paddy bradley...ricey on eoin bradley or gilligan? Swift will prob pick up the other one of those two....big task for him, think eoin bradley is hard to handle if he got turning it on...don't underestimate conleth gilligan, who'll prob float across forward line...enda muldoon on kickouts??? who will pick him up?? i'd expect maybe mcmahon...
this is where i think davy is and will be exposed...if they line up man for man in half back line, muldoon will surely test him, the kinda test davy has benn highlighted as coming up short...i feel he has a role on this tyrone team but facts state he has been exposed by a direct opponent on several occasions....remember geraghty last year while he was on davy's wing?? gollogly in ulster final when davy was taken off??
'05 against the dubs and armagh in semi final when he gifted clarke the ball to shoot them ahead and mickey took him off??
i think he is more suited to a dooher style sweeping role-he is very good on the ball and naturally two footed, but i feel he struggles defensively esp when run at....
what about gourley?? he hasn't even had a run and has plenty of experience...just feel our team isn't experienced enough, nor with enough leaders....realistically the hard tests are ahead...
will our forward line get the scores when called upon...if we are to consider or aspire to all ireland standard again, where are our scores going to come from?? any past sam winner has had lethal inside line...look at our current full forward line...
just feel derry defence are all superior to our full forward line...think we will struggle to penetrate like the galway defence did last week...i expect a comprehensive, but not embarrassing defeat...
Who would you put in instead of Davy ?
lads this unbeaten run at celtic park is a f**king myth ...... sorry to burst our bubble - was in celtic park last year - when we where beaten by cavan in the mckenna cup and when we where beaten by west meath in the league?.....nobody remember that?
Is this game on TV?
To whom it may concern I fear you are right but of course as soon as we point out Davey's weaknesses we'll have loads of people on saying yer just picking on him cos he's the nephew.
I think his lack of height and slow pace makes him an ideal target for a fast attacking wing forward who can catch his own ball and run with it.
I think they will target him with kickouts NOT that they have to cos they'll win most around the middle anyway I reckon, although Sean can field rightly as long as he's not pushed out of it.
I'd happily see Gourley or even Ricey there with Carlin in the corner.
Davey certainly does get his fair share of scores and so maybe he would be a descent half forward Hoover II but I can't see Mickey changing him as he's too loyal to him
He might HAVE to change him though if he's getting a roasting but then again the last time I questioned Davey he plays a blinder (I believe) and gets 3 scores.
I'd say Justy will get a hard time on Sat and may again be subbed if he gets a yellow card. Hopefully though they play a sweeper in front of the 2 Bradleys as I'd say Gilligan will be leaving them loads of space.
Looks like its gonna be bitter cold with some light rain possible & we might have even have some snow.
I'm looking forward to it and I see the young Cavan Ref Joe McQuillan is in Charge. God Help him.
I'm going for a DRAW
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 04, 2008, 10:20:15 AM
To whom it may concern I fear you are right but of course as soon as we point out Davey's weaknesses we'll have loads of people on saying yer just picking on him cos he's the nephew.
I think his lack of height and slow pace makes him an ideal target for a fast attacking wing forward who can catch his own ball and run with it.
I think they will target him with kickouts NOT that they have to cos they'll win most around the middle anyway I reckon, although Sean can field rightly as long as he's not pushed out of it.
I'd happily see Gourley or even Ricey there with Carlin in the corner.
Davey certainly does get his fair share of scores and so maybe he would be a descent half forward Hoover II but I can't see Mickey changing him as he's too loyal to him
He might HAVE to change him though if he's getting a roasting but then again the last time I questioned Davey he plays a blinder (I believe) and gets 3 scores.
I'd say Justy will get a hard time on Sat and may again be subbed if he gets a yellow card. Hopefully though they play a sweeper in front of the 2 Bradleys as I'd say Gilligan will be leaving them loads of space.
Looks like its gonna be bitter cold with some light rain possible & we might have even have some snow.
I'm looking forward to it and I see the young Cavan Ref Joe McQuillan is in Charge. God Help him.
I'm going for a DRAW
NO !!!!!!!!
If Davy were to be dropped it could allow Ricey to come out to half back and give McCaul/McGee a run in the corner. McGee hasn't had any playing time at all yet this year I think? Has he had a game since he done the shoulder?
Glad that the tyronies had to pick cavanagh i lar na pairce - they still have no midfielders !
If Derry can get back on track this could be a handy win, although the traditional spoiling tactics and dirt from our lesser neighbours could keep the scoreline closer than it should be.
In that instance a sideline battle between the masterful harte and gordon strachan-esque Crozier would worry me, but it shouldnt come to that, Derry should have enough to put the underlings out of their misery!
:)
Lynchboy
Remind us all what tactics Derry used in Omagh in 2006?
Not jumping on the anti-harte band wagon here, like davy as a player and person, just feel he can be exposed...feel he could have a future as a dooher type roving No.10 who can sweep up...he reminds me a bit of gavin devlin with some good facets to his game but waiting to be exposed...how would davy fare against dublin's forward line...i guess dublin would target him...i'm just using these examples as this is the standard we need to examine our players aginst if we are to get back to competing at all-ireland stage again...
championship team/system for summer if we progress that far:
Finbar
McCaul/Carlin Justin McMahon Gormley
Ricey
McMahon Jordan
Davy
Enda Holmes Sean
Mulgrew McCullagh
Tommy McGuigan Mulligan
Quote from: Oakleafer1993 on April 04, 2008, 09:55:26 AM
lads this unbeaten run at celtic park is a f**king myth ...... sorry to burst our bubble - was in celtic park last year - when we where beaten by cavan in the mckenna cup and when we where beaten by west meath in the league?.....nobody remember that?
I do ;D what happened to yous that day???
Quote from: ONeill on April 03, 2008, 09:47:30 PM
Quote from: reddgnhand on April 03, 2008, 09:41:58 PM
It was Ballinascreen in 84 & 85. Omagh was as you say 86 when McGinn scored the winner.
Was Celtic Park not used for a number of years?
Ballinascreen was the original County grounds....
Quote from: ONeill on April 03, 2008, 11:15:39 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on April 03, 2008, 11:11:15 PM
However you wee tyronies resemble the oompa loompas from dodgy willie wonka and his chocolate factory ;)
Aye, show us yer Sams. You only won her that year because it was too wet for Donegal and Down were taking a breather. Yiz f**king got yer comeuppance in 95.
If I remember correctly, I think Tyrone got their comeuppance in the 95 AIF.
I was never as glad to cheer for a southern team in my life and yous got what yous deserved that day!
Quote from: tyrone86 on April 04, 2008, 12:19:17 AM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on April 04, 2008, 12:11:26 AM
Quote from: tyrone86 on April 03, 2008, 11:59:26 PM
You say 97, I say 04 ;)
Wouldn't it be great if it was like this all the time, you don't even have to try to mask the contempt ;D
I'll see your 04 and raise you the tanking yous got in omagh in 06.
Checkmate :D
contempt - ach you wee trannys are beneath it ;)
Well after bating youse 3 years in a row in 02, 03 and 04, youse where due one. Sure Mickey handed it to ye that day in 06, the only time I've ever seen a one man full forward line in a football match
:D :D
This coming from a team that was lauded as a one man team for years!
Boyz Aye Tbrick Yousins did.
Away an learn Hou tae Taak Rite would Ye HI Sur.
The fact yid support the Dubs over Tyrone who had never won an AI speaks volumes for the bitterness you harnish for a team that embarassed ye that summer with 13 men. Well 12 men and one GOD. ;)
To whom it may concern what Formation is that? The Christmas tree format. Looks more like a GAA Jersey format
Also
Lynchboy said
If Derry can get back on track this could be a handy win, although the traditional spoiling tactics and dirt from our lesser neighbours could keep the scoreline closer than it should be.
I think ye've been the team for years with NO forwards and 90% of yer scores came from frees so its a bit rich saying we'd rather SPOIL than play football.
MUST Say though I've missed this Aul Sparring with ye pack of sperrin Metal benders.
Quote from: To whom it may concern on April 04, 2008, 10:31:32 AM
Not jumping on the anti-harte band wagon here, like davy as a player and person, just feel he can be exposed...feel he could have a future as a dooher type roving No.10 who can sweep up...he reminds me a bit of gavin devlin with some good facets to his game but waiting to be exposed...how would davy fare against dublin's forward line...i guess dublin would target him...i'm just using these examples as this is the standard we need to examine our players aginst if we are to get back to competing at all-ireland stage again...
championship team/system for summer if we progress that far:
Finbar
McCaul/Carlin Justin McMahon Gormley
Ricey
McMahon Jordan
Davy
Enda Holmes Sean
Mulgrew McCullagh
Tommy McGuigan Mulligan
Gavin Devlin was never exposed - won 2 AIs - surely he could still do a job for the county ?
He hasn't done any training this year so far - but he's a great player nonetheless !
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 04, 2008, 10:30:52 AM
Lynchboy
Remind us all what tactics Derry used in Omagh in 2006?
Tyrone tactics....I think all the papers said the Derry out-tyronned tyrone.
Next question please..
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 04, 2008, 10:30:52 AM
Lynchboy
Remind us all what tactics Derry used in Omagh in 2006?
Winning ones I would have thought ! :D
why do you ask ?
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 04, 2008, 10:43:58 AM
I think ye've been the team for years with NO forwards and 90% of yer scores came from frees so its a bit rich saying we'd rather SPOIL than play football.
surely a team that scores a lot from frees depicts that their opponents are just plain dirty and have to resort to fouling?
So the comment highlighting the dirty/spoiling traits of tyrone football is trus and stands!
:D
I think they also said that Derry strategically took turns at repeatly fouling their opponents to stop their usual flowing style and stopped any momentmum.
Tyrone may swarm around players but are usually very disciplined in their tackling whereas that day it was obvious your tactic was any time our defense got the ball ye just pulled them to the ground to stop them playing football.
Do you think Derry played good open football that day TBrick Sur?
So Derry's managerial genius tells them that today's tactics is to just go out and win.
Was this the same manager who resigned and then came back a few days later?
Genius.
Quote from: orangeman on April 04, 2008, 10:45:07 AM
Gavin Devlin was never exposed - won 2 AIs - surely he could still do a job for the county ?
felt bad for the lad as he was hooked for the line (against dublin?) as he was cleaned.
Wasnt the first time he was not quite at the races from the games I saw - pity as I thought he could have been good.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on April 04, 2008, 11:04:09 AM
Quote from: orangeman on April 04, 2008, 10:45:07 AM
Gavin Devlin was never exposed - won 2 AIs - surely he could still do a job for the county ?
felt bad for the lad as he was hooked for the line (against dublin?) as he was cleaned.
Wasnt the first time he was not quite at the races from the games I saw - pity as I thought he could have been good.
There was more than him cleaned out against Dublin that day - I thought he was made the scapegoat that day - his game never recovered after that - it was as if MH just decided that was the end of the road for that style of play and therefore the end of the road for Gavin as well.
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 04, 2008, 11:02:56 AM
I think they also said that Derry strategically took turns at repeatly fouling their opponents to stop their usual flowing style and stopped any momentmum.
Tyrone may swarm around players but are usually very disciplined in their tackling whereas that day it was obvious your tactic was any time our defense got the ball ye just pulled them to the ground to stop them playing football.
Do you think Derry played good open football that day TBrick Sur?
So Derry's managerial genius tells them that today's tactics is to just go out and win.
Was this the same manager who resigned and then came back a few days later?
Genius.
think crozier displayed a genius that day that surprised me anyhow.
I'd ask you the question WHO were THEY (as in your opening line '
they also said ')
or were you just listening to the wee voices in your head?
No Derry may have out tyroned tyrone that day in playing a withdrawn defensive/fast attacking game, but unlike tyronies, Derry didnt have to foul their way to the win. If anything, tyrone fouled like crazy and this is what kept them in the match.
It was such a kicking Derry gave you in the last Ulster Championship game played between the teams - that I actually almost thought I felt a touch sorry for you, then realised it was indigestion. :D
Quote from: orangeman on April 04, 2008, 11:06:22 AM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on April 04, 2008, 11:04:09 AM
Quote from: orangeman on April 04, 2008, 10:45:07 AM
Gavin Devlin was never exposed - won 2 AIs - surely he could still do a job for the county ?
felt bad for the lad as he was hooked for the line (against dublin?) as he was cleaned.
Wasnt the first time he was not quite at the races from the games I saw - pity as I thought he could have been good.
There was more than him cleaned out against Dublin that day - I thought he was made the scapegoat that day -
there was , and he was.
fuzzy just reminded me of a question I heard was contentious rount county tyrone
do yous prefer country or western?
;) :D
Quote from: lynchbhoy on April 04, 2008, 11:08:03 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 04, 2008, 11:02:56 AM
I think they also said that Derry strategically took turns at repeatly fouling their opponents to stop their usual flowing style and stopped any momentmum.
Tyrone may swarm around players but are usually very disciplined in their tackling whereas that day it was obvious your tactic was any time our defense got the ball ye just pulled them to the ground to stop them playing football.
Do you think Derry played good open football that day TBrick Sur?
So Derry's managerial genius tells them that today's tactics is to just go out and win.
Was this the same manager who resigned and then came back a few days later?
Genius.
think crozier displayed a genius that day that surprised me anyhow.
I'd ask you the question WHO were THEY (as in your opening line ' they also said ')
or were you just listening to the wee voices in your head?
No Derry may have out tyroned tyrone that day in playing a withdrawn defensive/fast attacking game, but unlike tyronies, Derry didnt have to foul their way to the win. If anything, tyrone fouled like crazy and this is what kept them in the match.
It was such a kicking Derry gave you in the last Ulster Championship game played between the teams - that I actually almost thought I felt a touch sorry for you, then realised it was indigestion. :D
I konow you're taking the piss there Lynchboy - I don't want to get drawn into an argument about tactics or anything like that, because Derry were simply too good for Tyrone that day - but on that day, it was the first time I ever saw Kevin Mc Guckin who's a great lad actually hit anyone !
Quote from: orangeman on April 04, 2008, 11:26:55 AM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on April 04, 2008, 11:08:03 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 04, 2008, 11:02:56 AM
I think they also said that Derry strategically took turns at repeatly fouling their opponents to stop their usual flowing style and stopped any momentmum.
Tyrone may swarm around players but are usually very disciplined in their tackling whereas that day it was obvious your tactic was any time our defense got the ball ye just pulled them to the ground to stop them playing football.
Do you think Derry played good open football that day TBrick Sur?
So Derry's managerial genius tells them that today's tactics is to just go out and win.
Was this the same manager who resigned and then came back a few days later?
Genius.
think crozier displayed a genius that day that surprised me anyhow.
I'd ask you the question WHO were THEY (as in your opening line ' they also said ')
or were you just listening to the wee voices in your head?
No Derry may have out tyroned tyrone that day in playing a withdrawn defensive/fast attacking game, but unlike tyronies, Derry didnt have to foul their way to the win. If anything, tyrone fouled like crazy and this is what kept them in the match.
It was such a kicking Derry gave you in the last Ulster Championship game played between the teams - that I actually almost thought I felt a touch sorry for you, then realised it was indigestion. :D
I konow you're taking the piss there Lynchboy - I don't want to get drawn into an argument about tactics or anything like that, because Derry were simply too good for Tyrone that day - but on that day, it was the first time I ever saw Kevin Mc Guckin who's a great lad actually hit anyone !
never been to a bellaghy v ballinderry match then!
but seriously kevin is generally a clean player but can mix it when he wants/has to
Quote from: orangeman on April 04, 2008, 11:26:55 AM
I konow you're taking the piss there Lynchboy - I don't want to get drawn into an argument about tactics or anything like that, because Derry were simply too good for Tyrone that day - but on that day, it was the first time I ever saw Kevin Mc Guckin who's a great lad actually hit anyone !
Retaliation ?
long overdue to be honest! Wish Derry teams had not been so clean through the years.
The best I saw was Errigal chiran v Dungiven in the ulster club final in 1997 when the tyronies were sent out to bust all the young lads lining out for St Canices that day before the ball was thrown in. As the ball was in the air from the throw in, each tyrone marker turned to his youthful opponent and punched him in the jaw. Thats tyrone tactics for ya, cant really come back to me and say Derry are as bad (well Dungiven were - as unfortunately many of the young lads were also exponents of pugilism from the local st Canices ABA and went on to knock seven colours of sihte out of their not-so-hard-anymore markers :D).
You have to hand it to the canavans, I never seen anyone try to pick a fight with McGilligan and McKeever before until pascal and peter did (and lost unsurprisingly).
Thats tyronies in a nutshell ! ;) :D
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 04, 2008, 11:02:56 AM
I think they also said that Derry strategically took turns at repeatly fouling their opponents to stop their usual flowing style and stopped any momentmum.
Tyrone may swarm around players but are usually very disciplined in their tackling whereas that day it was obvious your tactic was any time our defense got the ball ye just pulled them to the ground to stop them playing football.
Do you think Derry played good open football that day TBrick Sur?
So Derry's managerial genius tells them that today's tactics is to just go out and win.
Was this the same manager who resigned and then came back a few days later?
Genius.
If memory serves I think the only person to state that Derry took turns at strategically fouling their opponents was none other than Mickey Harte himself. I also seem to remember that the only player to get sent off in that match was a tryone player. I also seem to remember that this was the same complaint that many many teams have had about tyrone since....1995.
So as the saying goes, what's good for the goose is good for the gander. You cant introduce these tactics and then complain when the same tactics are used against you. That's just sour grapes.
As for good open football...do you think Tyrone played good open football for either of their All-Irelands?
Tryone (and Armagh) were the teams to introduce the win at all costs mentality and since then several teams have taken up those tactics...Kerry, Dublin, Derry...to varying degrees of success. When it turns out that some of these teams can actually take to these tactics better than your good selves then there is no point in crying.
What has the manager resigning got to do with any of this anyhow? That was completely unrelated issue and was resolved before that match ever took place.
Quote from: tbrick18 on April 04, 2008, 11:44:04 AM
As for good open football...do you think Tyrone played good open football for either of their All-Irelands?
Now you are really showing both your stupidity and ignorance. In both 2003 and 2005 Tyrone produced a number of fantastic footballing performances - I could list them if you want. Not all games are classic encounters of total football and there will be games where you have to dig in and grind out unpretty wins. No Tyrone poster is saying their current or past teams are angels but the Derry posters need to take off the oak leaf tinted glasses - over the years Derry have shown the ability to be as cute and cynical as the next county.
Prblem this year is that
a) forward line won't be able to penetrate reasonable/tight defences
b) backline susceptible and exposed pre-2003
John Morrison had a great take on last years performance v donegal in ulster semi- he said it was blanket defence and blanket attack at its best, just total football, really that what won us all irelands esp in 05...that performance v armagh in drawn ulster final for about 60 mins was best tyrone performance i have since maybe bar the final itself...people forget that very quickly...
we have got to try and re-create that...key players were Dooher, Conor G at midefield where i still think he could be effective if we had the defenders to allow this, enda, brian mcguigan...those four esp were dominant, which turned over the possession and created the chances for o'neill....
this style offered protection to the full back line...fast forward to last year v meath...remember how open that game was...true meath used the wings very well, but our swarm defensive and indeed offensive were missing...dooher wasn't fit, enda on bench, mcguigan for obvious reasons and conor g plugging holes in defence...cut a long story short, if we don't appear to be able to go man for man then something similar to the above is required, not just tomorrow but long term
Quote from: loughshore lad on April 04, 2008, 11:51:40 AM
In both 2003 and 2005 Tyrone produced a number of fantastic footballing performances - I could list them if you want.
go on then
;D
Quote from: loughshore lad on April 04, 2008, 11:51:40 AM
over the years Derry have shown the ability to be as cute and cynical as the next county.
How I wish this was true!
Quote from: tbrick18 on April 04, 2008, 11:44:04 AM
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As for good open football...do you think Tyrone played good open football for either of their All-Irelands?
Tryone (and Armagh) were the teams to introduce the win at all costs mentality and since then several teams have taken up those tactics...Kerry, Dublin, Derry...to varying degrees of success. When it turns out that some of these teams can actually take to these tactics better than your good selves then there is no point in crying.
Dont think there can be any doubt that Tyrone played a very attractive and open brand of football in 2005. The games they played in the All-Ireland series of that summer were amongst the best seen in many many years. 1-14 to 1-14, 2-18 to 1-14 and 1-16 to 2-10 are hardly the scorlines of tight defensive matches are they! Even in 2003 Tyrone were very good to watch but the year is ultimately remembered for a turgid 2nd half against Kerry in the semi then a typically tight match against Armagh in the final. Lets be honest here Derry played a very defensive game against Tyrone in the first round in Ulster that year (and it very nearly worked) but when Tyrone played similarly later in the campaign they apparently "invented" such tactics. Dont believe everything you read ;)
For me its a total media cliche also to suggest Tyrone and Armagh "were the teams to introduce the win at all costs mentality". Teams have been trying to win at all costs since time immemorial and in far more brutal fashion than Tyrone and Armagh ever did.
I also think its plain wrong to suggest other teams have taken on Tyrone's tactics to a new level and left us behind. Our main problem since 2005 is that we have lost too many key players and without those lads are just not the same force. Tactics dont really come into it.
As for the 2006 game it was an awful spectactle but Derry got the job done and deserved the win, no question about that.
Quote from: To whom it may concern on April 04, 2008, 11:56:39 AM
Prblem this year is that
a) forward line won't be able to penetrate reasonable/tight defences
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Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on April 04, 2008, 12:18:56 PM
Dont think there can be any doubt that Tyrone played a very attractive and open brand of football in 2005. The games they played in the All-Ireland series of that summer were amongst the best seen in many many years. 1-14 to 1-14, 2-18 to 1-14 and 1-16 to 2-10 are hardly the scorlines of tight defensive matches are they! Even in 2003 Tyrone were very good to watch but the year is ultimately remembered for a turgid 2nd half against Kerry in the semi then a typically tight match against Armagh in the final.
And the first match against Down in 03 is still be one of the greatest Ulster Finals ever.
Recently I've been thinking Davy would make a fine roving half forward. He has an engine and knows where the posts are. Probably thought the same with Ricey though but his experiment in the forward division a couple of years ago wasn't too successful!
Great to see a bit of banter on the site again by the way.
Derry have offered us some hilarious moments in recent years:
- Ricey completely freaking Bradley out in Casement Park in 2003
- Tohill's teary fall from grace in the same game when owned by Cavanagh
- The hammering in 2004 as All-Ireland Champions as Derry fans left 10 mins into the second half
Tyrone have always enjoyed roundly beating the Derry teams on the way to ALL Irelands. I woul;d challenge the view by some so called hardliners would suggest that the fact that in Derrys year of glory in 1993, that they never beat Tyrone, as compared to Tyrones annhilations of them in 03 and 05 as being in any way making it a lesser all ireland win. I believe that the fact they struggled to beat an auld done Cork team in the final does all of the above on its own.
When did we beat them in 05? Wasn't that the year Longford put Derry out of their misery?
Have very reliable source within camp who tells me mcguigan is struggling badly and needs an ankle op, only question is if he can get thriugh to end of this season....
not at all happy with eam for tomorrow night....i expected it to be as it was, but long term problems still there....ryan mellon has been ineffective for last number of games, yet still there...surely we should try to have a replacement there for dooher that mirrors his game, ie, sweeping around middle sector...to me davy could be worth a punt there...we need someone who can carry possession too....good to see cavanagh back in his usual role, expect to see him get free role from centre of field, with holmes/enda doing the horsing...think holmes is best option for this role at min, prob 50min max come championship pace, but nonetheless will be effective...
agree justin mcmahon not ideal for fullback, think he would be more effective out field, but chances are come big games, gormley will be marking star forward anyway...
an important fact to remember here is that down look set to be involved in possible league final in div 3 which will give them extra game...these could be our last two games coming up...for almost 2 months come championship time...i just wonder will it be same as last year, going into to championship almost blind, with players either injured/under cooked/untested-ie, tommy mcguigan/niall gormley, albeit these fellas played well...at the moment are we
i) at championship pace?
ii) got settled personnel??
would tomorrow night's team be good enough for 8th june??
Quote from: To whom it may concern on April 04, 2008, 01:51:47 PM
Have very reliable source within camp who tells me mcguigan is struggling badly and needs an ankle op, only question is if he can get thriugh to end of this season....
Spot on - exactly wht myself and orangeman have been trying to tell people here for the last few weeks
I never felt comfortable and always believed it was wrong for Brian to come back this season, bad ankle or not.
Anyways, used to curt a blade from Knockloughrim. I remember her bringing me to her house. Jaysus I couldn't believe how those fcukers lived in L/Derry. Felt like a landlord or something. If our politicians are serious about equality in the north, then they should pump the dough into the Oak Leaf in order to educate and civilise the masses. It was like stepping back 3000 years. Hallions ate their spuds with their fingers.
My God HE gets some injuries doesn't he
What happened him and how bad is it?
Yeah Like I said I enjoy the bit o aul banter with the Sperrin lads.
They may be as "Thick as Poundies" but at least they can give as good as they get and I much prefer them as rivals as the Always SERIOUS Armagh crew.
I think Derry have the beating of us this time to be honest though we're only a point behind them and many would say this is the worst Tyrone team or at least forward line for years but maybe we're just too used to have at least one star forward to rely on.
I think Derry by 2 points unless Mulgrew ups the ante and controls the forward play. Maybe Sean will give us more momentum going forward but if they get good ball into the two Bradleys then we're screwed. No matter who's marking them.
Quote from: ONeill on April 04, 2008, 01:35:38 PM
Recently I've been thinking Davy would make a fine roving half forward. He has an engine and knows where the posts are. Probably thought the same with Ricey though but his experiment in the forward division a couple of years ago wasn't too successful!
Great to see a bit of banter on the site again by the way.
Derry have offered us some hilarious moments in recent years:
- Ricey completely freaking Bradley out in Casement Park in 2003
- Tohill's teary fall from grace in the same game when owned by Cavanagh
- The hammering in 2004 as All-Ireland Champions as Derry fans left 10 mins into the second half
Well the first two should have been a different story given the fact that we had a player sent off for a nothing tackle! I do remember however Cavanagh with a triple somersault in the pike position with 2 and a half twists that went horribly wrong as I could swear by his reaction it left him with a ruptured spleen... it was OK though because he went on to play well in the football match that happened to be on in the background!
As for 2004 we were just poor on the day, not much else can be said about it, and you're right it's good to see a bit of Tyrone Derry hatred returning to the board... life wouldn't be the same without it.
I can't wait to see those enormously large heads peering through their monobrow's on the way out of Celtic Park as they trip over their bottom lip tomorrow night! Tyrone... living proof that Darwin's theory of evolution is a load of balls!
Quote from: screenexile on April 04, 2008, 02:11:56 PM
Well the first two should have been a different story given the fact that we had a player sent off for a nothing tackle!
Derry were 10 down at the time.
True story-
A Tyrone fella and a Derry fella where having a chat in a bar the Tyrone fella was giving it loads about "how many All Irelands have ye lot got?" Eventually the Derry fella had enough and shouted in retaliation "how many fu**ing Hungerstrikers have ye lat got, ye bollix ye?" :D :D :D
The problem with Tyrone men:
Taking your wife on a cruise means circling around Dungannon.
You think the last words to Amhrán na bfiann are "Now we're suckin diesel."
You believe dual air bags refer to your wife and mother-in-law.
The people on Jeremy Kyle show remind you of your neighbors.
You've been married three times and still have the same in-laws.
You lit a match in the bathroom and your house exploded right off it's wheels.
You carried a fishing pole to the zoo.
Your sister is the third generation of women in your family to conceive a baby as a result of an alien abduction.
You think subdivision is part of a maths question.
You think there's nothin wrong with incest as long as you keep it in the family.
You can get dog hair from out of your belly button.
You think the three primary colors are John Deere Green, Ford Blue, and Primer Gray.
Ya can't get married to yer sweetheart cause there is a law against it.
You think loading the dishwasher means getting your wife drunk.
You take a load to the dump and bring back more than you took.
You think genitalia is an Italian airline.
You let your twelve-year-old daughter smoke at the dinner table in front of her kids.
You keep empty beer cans in your fridge for your friends that don't drink.
The Halloween pumpkin on your front porch has more teeth than your wife.
You think taking a bubble bath starts with eating beans for dinner.
You buy your jewelry at the filling station.
The Problem with Derry Folk Hi/Sur:
They're always copying somebody else.
I predict a RIOT
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 04, 2008, 02:08:36 PM
Yeah Like I said I enjoy the bit o aul banter with the Sperrin lads.
Jayus lads, we only give Derry half the Sperrins. We still have the biggest half in Tyrone.
We don't want them to destroy it all.
Also Sperrin the hamlet (well couple of houses) is on the right side of the border.
Fuzz - I know you were educated in Derry, but I thought you would have known, what them hills about home were called.
Anyhow I will stop this infighting with my Tyrone men and let the derry wans get back to inbreeding.
Tyrone by 1.
Right lads - let's get back to the match and the possible outcomes - I'm going for a comfortable victory for Derry - by at least 5 -
Anybody else ?? What's the verdict ?
I dunno about the match really. The team picked isn't what I was hoping for to be honest as I'd have McCusker and Lockhart in defence first of all as well as Murphy and Devlin in the forward line with Diver in MF. I still think we will win but I think it will be very very tight with a point in it... a real Tyrone Derry dogfight.
Not comfortable in the slightest, but certainly a Derry victory (with a few talking points - probably along the lines of, How did Ricey manage to stay on the field after driving the knees into Bradley when he was on the ground!)
Keep up the banter chaps - enjoying it.
Quote from: screenexile on April 04, 2008, 03:05:28 PM
I dunno about the match really. The team picked isn't what I was hoping for to be honest as I'd have McCusker and Lockhart in defence first of all as well as Murphy and Devlin in the forward line with Diver in MF. I still think we will win but I think it will be very very tight with a point in it... a real Tyrone Derry dogfight.
What's wrong particulary with Lockhart ? Is he simply not making the team or is he injured ?
Aye its been a while since I've had a good long build up to a match.
See there could be snow or at least Light Rain with temperatures due to be around 2C but feeling like -1C
http://uk.weather.com/weather/tomorrow-Londonderry-UKXX0086 (http://uk.weather.com/weather/tomorrow-Londonderry-UKXX0086)
Bring ye woolies lads. Have they covered stands all they way round now or just on wan side Boyz?
I'm sticking with a DRAW with Harte scoring the equaliser.
Ricey will be calculating how long it is til the Down match and would a month's suspension be worth it.
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 04, 2008, 03:14:50 PM
Bring ye woolies lads. Have they covered stands all they way round now or just on wan side Boyz?
Aye, right. Unless they take it up from the Brandywell you'll be lucky. If there's enough electric to run the lights I'll be happy
well lads i am not so confident,we can beat the average teams but when it comes to the big boys we are coming up short,the half back line is a big problem at the minute,we have no real attacking threat in that line apart maybe from gerard o'kane but he will have to be more disiplined in his runs now he is in the centre.think conway is way off the pace at this level and i can see diver on with about 25 to go (weather crozier see's this is another story).up front we seem to be a one trick pony and until we start to change our play up front we will be very easy to blot out (by the better teams).as much as i hate saying this tyrone by 3
Quote from: tyrone86 on April 04, 2008, 03:17:56 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 04, 2008, 03:14:50 PM
Bring ye woolies lads. Have they covered stands all they way round now or just on wan side Boyz?
Aye, right. Unless they take it up from the Brandywell you'll be lucky. If there's enough electric to run the lights I'll be happy
we have enough electricity to run the hospital so the lights should be no bother ;)
Quote from: orangeman on April 04, 2008, 03:10:00 PM
Quote from: screenexile on April 04, 2008, 03:05:28 PM
I dunno about the match really. The team picked isn't what I was hoping for to be honest as I'd have McCusker and Lockhart in defence first of all as well as Murphy and Devlin in the forward line with Diver in MF. I still think we will win but I think it will be very very tight with a point in it... a real Tyrone Derry dogfight.
What's wrong particulary with Lockhart ? Is he simply not making the team or is he injured ?
He took time out and has only just rejoined the squad so I presume he just hasn't been around long enough because from what I gather he is still fit and able to come in when needed. Understandable that he isn't brought straight in but I would expect to see him brought into the HB line at some stage.
Quote from: screenexile on April 04, 2008, 03:21:43 PM
Quote from: orangeman on April 04, 2008, 03:10:00 PM
Quote from: screenexile on April 04, 2008, 03:05:28 PM
I dunno about the match really. The team picked isn't what I was hoping for to be honest as I'd have McCusker and Lockhart in defence first of all as well as Murphy and Devlin in the forward line with Diver in MF. I still think we will win but I think it will be very very tight with a point in it... a real Tyrone Derry dogfight.
What's wrong particulary with Lockhart ? Is he simply not making the team or is he injured ?
He took time out and has only just rejoined the squad so I presume he just hasn't been around long enough because from what I gather he is still fit and able to come in when needed. Understandable that he isn't brought straight in but I would expect to see him brought into the HB line at some stage.
Lockhart is a class act !
Being sober for a second I think Derry have too much in the way of a settled team for Tyrone this weekend but you never know. Tyrone should click soon. The feeling is just that even if our defence and midfield are on top, will our forwards capitalise on it sufficiently. You know that, probably, Bradley et al will take their chances.
It has been a while since we've had an All-Starless forward division?
I can see Derry coming out on top by a couple. Tyrone are strong enough defensively wise I just cant see them scoring enough.
I know you can't look at football this way but Tyrone couldn't beat Kildare even at home - Kildare a week later went to the Brandywell and got beat by 10 - Tyrone are off the pace at the moment and I'm not convinced that they will ever have the ability to "click" as O'Neill alluded to earlier.
Poor Anthony Davis, walked because Niall Cathal Anne ( ;D) threw the cowardly box
Quote from: orangeman on April 04, 2008, 03:39:06 PM
I know you can't look at football this way but Tyrone couldn't beat Kildare even at home - Kildare a week later went to the Brandywell and got beat by 10 - Tyrone are off the pace at the moment and I'm not convinced that they will ever have the ability to "click" as O'Neill alluded to earlier.
I dont think you can make that assumption Orangeman simply because Kildare drew with Tyrone then Derry beat Kildare! Tyrone have improved alot since that Kildare game - perhaps not at the pace we'd all like but they've improved! Too many times in years gone by have we peaked in march or april only to come unstuck in the summer! I for one will be keeping the faith until the championship is in full swing! As for the game tomorrow - it will be like most Tyrone v Derry games - an awful game with little between the teams! Fully expect a tyrone win though!
Unfortunately I haven't been able to get to a game yet this year so Saturday will be my first.
From reading the Press and from here the genreral consensus is we're a poor side so far and we're toothless.
I kinda agree with that and think we've laboured but we're still on course to match last year's NFL record of 7 points with a final day match against Mayo who hammered us in Omagh last year.
I love the Coleman quotes wherefromreferee?
He sure was a true Country man wur Eamonn.
I saw him walking towards Croker wan day and he eyed Brian McEniff walking in front of him
He walks past him and shoulders him into the hedge.
Remember too when Big Finbar took off Brian Mullins hat in a match in Clones. Those were the days when men were men and Tyrone men stayed on their feet. :D
Quote from: lynchbhoy on April 03, 2008, 10:48:38 AM
Quote from: Maximus Marillius on April 03, 2008, 10:38:14 AM
I remember talking to a number of Derry players involved in that game and they all said the same thing...that it was the only game in their lives that they felt they were going to be physically abused by tyrones supporters as they ran unto the pitch after the game. Does that not sum up the whole affair?
would agree with that.
the tyronies were lucky to even have 13 men on the pitch by half time let alone at the end of the game.
thats why I have to have some level of admiration for them, they will use every trick in the book - dirty, fair , foul or cynical.
It is up to the ref to properly adjudicate when they are playing.
That was the day Tohill got hit on three separate occasions by coins from the crowd when hitting frees if I remember correctly.
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 03, 2008, 10:53:59 AM
Think Derry city weemen are the most THRAN (awkward for non Ulstermen) stuck up posey bunch I've ever come across (Oops)
They're fierce good looking though but man can they NAW have a straight forward conversation or wha?
No wonder ye think anywhere else is easy after tackling THON creatures!
Doo Da Doo Da Daay!!!
PS I'm getting myself ready for the weekend trip to Derry/Londonderry City so gotta polish up on the Aul sayings HI.
Horse it intae ye Sor
Lynchboy
Any tactics at all to Hool onto PTG eh?
No wonder McKeever did so well on him over the years with the amount of times he fouled him he could never score from play.
As for the Downeys and that gentleman Coleman, (God rest his soul) or even Muillins I think you must feel like a Black kettle now SUR!
Funny I had never heard anyone use the word thran till last week. Didn't have a notion what it meant.
With regards McKeever and Canavan I can't remember McKeever fouling him too often. As great as Canavan was, McKeever always seemed to have his number. Seán Marty as well really.
Quote from: loughshore lad on April 04, 2008, 11:51:40 AM
Now you are really showing both your stupidity and ignorance. In both 2003 and 2005 Tyrone produced a number of fantastic footballing performances - I could list them if you want. Not all games are classic encounters of total football and there will be games where you have to dig in and grind out unpretty wins. No Tyrone poster is saying their current or past teams are angels but the Derry posters need to take off the oak leaf tinted glasses - over the years Derry have shown the ability to be as cute and cynical as the next county.
This isn't gonna go down well, but its my honest opinion and I'm going to say it anyway. I thought Tyrone didn't deserve to win the 2003 All-Ireland. They were poor agasint Derry in the first game and the replay should never have been played that day, it was a very bad form by the Ulster Council. Not sour grapes, thats just the way it is. Also if I remember correctly that was the day we seen big man Sean Cavanagh throwing himself to the ground and crying, when Pádraig O'Kane was nowhere near him. Must have been a sniper in the crowd. ;D Youse were also very poor against Down and lucky to get a replay and indeed only for Brian McGuigan's (who I rate as a great player) diving actions that day youse would've been dumped out of Ulster. Youse were good the second day against Down and Fermanagh but your style of play in the SF and final did little to draw plaudits. Personally I thought in 2003 youse got more than your fair share of luck.
Don't get me wrong in 2005 Tyrone were the best team in the country by a mile and youse gave some great displays of football that year.
Quote from: rrhf on April 04, 2008, 01:43:12 PM
Tyrone have always enjoyed roundly beating the Derry teams on the way to ALL Irelands. I woul;d challenge the view by some so called hardliners would suggest that the fact that in Derrys year of glory in 1993, that they never beat Tyrone, as compared to Tyrones annhilations of them in 03 and 05 as being in any way making it a lesser all ireland win. I believe that the fact they struggled to beat an auld done Cork team in the final does all of the above on its own.
Aye, I wish we'd have been such quality teams as Antrim, Down and Fermanagh like Tyrone did in 2003, on route to the 1993 final. Would dispel any myths of a handy All-Ireland. ::)
Quote from: tyrone86 on April 04, 2008, 01:46:50 PM
When did we beat them in 05? Wasn't that the year Longford put Derry out of their misery?
No.
Quote from: Stall the Bailer on April 04, 2008, 02:54:34 PM
Jayus lads, we only give Derry half the Sperrins. We still have the biggest half in Tyrone.
We don't want them to destroy it all.
Also Sperrin the hamlet (well couple of houses) is on the right side of the border.
Fuzz - I know you were educated in Derry, but I thought you would have known, what them hills about home were called.
Anyhow I will stop this infighting with my Tyrone men and let the derry wans get back to inbreeding.
Tyrone by 1.
Well its pretty obvious you were educated in Tyrone. 8)
Plenty of food for thought there boys.
Tyrone have improved considerably from the Kildare game ,there's no doubt about that. I'd still be worried about our forward line (although hopefully it should have a healthier look about it come championship) but if Derry play as selected it I think we can sneak a win by 2 or 3 points. Wouldnt be convinced that Conway at midfield or the Derry defence (particularly the half back line) for this game is that great. The forward line does look strong but our defence has done pretty well all year. Hopefully we can get a good spread of scores. Prediction - Tyrone 1-12 Derry 0-13 (I might be biased though!)
I might be in the minority here, but I'm not overly concerned about Derry forwards not scoring enuff. Against Galway we scored 13 points without Paddy even getting a touch. I cant see paddy having such a bad game again and I dont think the Tyrone defence will be any better that Galway's. Derry's midfield will improve by a country mile with Doc back in there and Gerard O'Kane should improve our half back line so I think we will be defensively stronger than against Galway and more potent in attack.
Tyrone are improving game by game, but I think Derry might shade this one by a couple of points with home advantage and I actaully think there is a bit of hunger about the team now that was missing in recent times.
Unlike many of the Derry posters here, I dont begrudge Tyrone their 03 and 05 successes (I enjoyed the 03 AISF immensely and in the other, any team who plays 10 games on the way to glory has to be recognised). I'm just vexed that i missed all the banter here all day because of that curse called work an i hope we kick the sh!t outa yes tomorrow night!!
Fuzz, see the 'Sur' sh!t TBrick is clearly from south derry an they dont fuc#in say that!! Its clearly a north derry (and sometimes,NE Tyrone spake) Do your homework FFS!!
And when did you beat us in 05?? Never happened RRHF. Do your homework FFS
I agree with screenexile on Murphy. he should be startin. Regardless of last week he should be gettin game time. we need him sharp come Donegal First round Ulster championship. Fu#k this mickey mouse sh!t!!
All the same, its always sweet to beat the uvf boys....I wonder will ricey and gormley indulge in the same sporting 'Kick your man in the back of the calf as hard as you fu#king can' tactics that they did in Omagh 06?? Didnt do them much good that day
Predictions for the weekend:
Dun Doire for the Grand National
Dun gannon for the Hogan
Doire to be Dun by Tyrone in the National League
What could possibily affect the outcome is if Tyrone are really up for it. History tells us that Derry only win if they catch Tyrone complacent as in '97 and '06. If it comes down to guts and balls, Tyrone will nick it.
Quote from: ONeill on April 04, 2008, 10:08:54 PM
What could possibily affect the outcome is if Tyrone are really up for it. History tells us that Derry only win if they catch Tyrone complacent as in '97 and '06. If it comes down to guts and balls, Tyrone will nick it.
history and 'being up for it' have won fcuk all football games yet if a team isnt good enough against a team that is.
While tyrone may be good at 'nick'ing things (the scousers of the GAA ? :D) their balls and guts may be all over celtic park after 60 mins when Derry beat them. ;)
then it will be time to saddle up yer donkeys and carts and head back to the boglands and mudhuts of county tyrone!
;)
Quote from: hardstation on April 04, 2008, 10:29:54 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on April 04, 2008, 10:20:34 PM
their balls and guts may be all over celtic park after 60 mins when Derry beat them. ;)
Jimmy Cooney reffing it?
naw , just re-using his same sad ' sober' metaphors :D
Expect Paddy Bradley to be double marked on saturday night. Derrys forward line is more potent than tyrone's and its full back is on a par if not better than tyrones. Would have been more confident in the full back line if mcildowney was out and sean marty or big niall where in. Micky mcgoldrick would have been ideal against wee tyronie runts. So if skinner can do some magic - and mark lynch steps up to the plate and enda puts in a vintage performance we will win. Oh and if conway starts slumming it - big diver in to put cavanagh in altnagelvin to smell the derry air!
Doire Abu
Quote from: lynchbhoy on April 04, 2008, 10:51:01 PM
naw , just re-using his same sad ' sober' metaphors :D
Metaphors? You feckin London boys wouldn't know a metaphor if it bit you on your feckin malnourished arse. I've seen manys a shite team bate better sides simply because the former were hyped to the hilt whilst the latter were unmotivated.
That's it, job's a good one, Tír Eoghain for the game, and Dun Doire for the British National, Yin and Yang and all that, karma balanced, can't possibly fail.
"Metaphors" in Derry!!!
"What's a metaphor?", as they say around those parts -- "'Tis for reading the amount of electricity you use", says the Bellaghy man in response, no kidding ;)
Quote from: ONeill on April 04, 2008, 11:38:19 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on April 04, 2008, 10:51:01 PM
naw , just re-using his same sad ' sober' metaphors :D
Metaphors? You feckin London boys wouldn't know a metaphor if it bit you on your feckin malnourished arse. I've seen manys a shite team bate better sides simply because the former were hyped to the hilt whilst the latter were unmotivated.
so I take it from this that analysing games isnt your forte then :D
I haven't a clue what you're on about.
I wouldn't like to be on a side managed by lynchboy.
"Lads, we're not as good as them so we won't win. Just go out and make up the numbers."
"Yes, boss."
Quote from: ONeill on April 05, 2008, 12:06:56 AM
I haven't a clue what you're on about.
I wouldn't like to be on a side managed by lynchboy.
"Lads, we're not as good as them so we won't win. Just go out and make up the numbers."
"Yes, boss."
...are you trying to prove my point for me, I was indicating the exact opposite !
Youve contradicted yourself ! :D
the only team you will be fit for wont be managed by me, but these boys
www.rentamidget.com :D
Ok, I can only surmise you're on the drink. Cos only someone completely bollocksed out of their brain could make sense of that.
Or from Derrry.
I hear the Derrry county board are expecting Derrry fans to double their numbers for this game. They have decided to bring another table for a couple of Mars Bars and Coke.
I remember the Derrry fellow at Clones in 1995. Twas a baking hot day and the ice cream vans were out in force. Yer man from Swatragh was watching Tyrone folk going up and getting ice cream in wavers without a care in the world and was intrigued by this phenomenon. Goaded by his c**k-eyed mates, he went up and tried one of these delicacies, alien of course to the fcukin neanderthal dietary habits in L/Derrry. He purchased a wavered ice cream and brought it back to his mates. They watched in wonder and awe as he licked away at the ice cream whilst keeping his hands dry with the wavers. They all 'had a go' too. Then, when the ice cream was done, he went back to the man in the van and said,
'There's your two burds back'.
Quote from: ONeill on April 05, 2008, 12:43:00 AM
Ok, I can only surmise you're on the drink. Cos only someone completely bollocksed out of their brain could make sense of that.
funnily enough I thought similar about your own piece
no drink consumed at all
but sure yer only a teacher...therefore all understanding is from within the safety of a textbook !
:D
maybe re-read the pieces and if you still cant understand, raise your hand and ask !
:D
Quote from: Oakleafer1993 on April 04, 2008, 11:29:03 PM
Expect Paddy Bradley to be double marked on saturday night. Derrys forward line is more potent than tyrone's and its full back is on a par if not better than tyrones. Would have been more confident in the full back line if mcildowney was out and sean marty or big niall where in. Micky mcgoldrick would have been ideal against wee tyronie runts. So if skinner can do some magic - and mark lynch steps up to the plate and enda puts in a vintage performance we will win. Oh and if conway starts slumming it - big diver in to put cavanagh in altnagelvin to smell the derry air!
Doire Abu
Oh aye, typical - youse Derry wans start chatting about sending lads to hospital. Real class.
And as for Paddy Bradley getting double marked? Don't make me laugh. Conor Gormley will show him what a real all star is all about, instead of having to cry, moan and self promote yourself to one :P
I'll have to look that one up. I'll assume it isn't the type of shape I'll be in tomorrow night in Henry Downey's
An apt, accurate description. Must start studying the thesaurus
I'm headin for celtic park tonight, but auld fella would like to hear it. Anybody know what station might broadcast or give updates tonight?
Probably should post this on the sticky thread, but nobody seems to be lookin at it at the minute.
Quote from: Oakleafer1993 on April 04, 2008, 11:29:03 PM
Expect Paddy Bradley to be double marked on saturday night. Derrys forward line is more potent than tyrone's and its full back is on a par if not better than tyrones. Would have been more confident in the full back line if mcildowney was out and sean marty or big niall where in. Micky mcgoldrick would have been ideal against wee tyronie runts. So if skinner can do some magic - and mark lynch steps up to the plate and enda puts in a vintage performance we will win. Oh and if conway starts slumming it - big diver in to put cavanagh in altnagelvin to smell the derry air!
Doire Abu
There's no need for that at all - I know you're new to the board but have a bit of respect please. Thanks
Quote from: jodyb on April 05, 2008, 10:19:43 AM
I'm headin for celtic park tonight, but auld fella would like to hear it. Anybody know what station might broadcast or give updates tonight?
Probably should post this on the sticky thread, but nobody seems to be lookin at it at the minute.
Q101 or Highland probably are your best bets.
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I guess your idea of a football dynasty is not near the same as my own...
Sorry... and Bellaghy are currently the champions of what/where?
Fear on Srath...can you list the senior championships ye have in Tyrone in the past.....lets give you a bit of latitude on this.....say the past 50 yrs. With a population ye have in Strabane and having a footballing dynasty this should be no bother to ya. ;)
Erm... I think the word you're looking for here is... '
nothing'! ;)
Anyways, good win for Derry this evening (0-14 to
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so what happened the great conor gormley - best full back in ireland -- paddy boy gave him a lesson tonite
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Great game there I thought, very entertaining.
Conway has took a lot of criticism on this board but he was outstanding this eveining, won a lot of his own ball and used it well. Muldoon really came into his own in the last quarter and showed what a class act he is. Skinner was much improved until his stupid sending-off, and PB was back to his brilliant best it was great to see the much-vaunted Gormley getting taken to the cleaners like that!
Tyrone were disappointing though in fairness, especially around midfield and Sean Cavanagh was dire.
Seán Cavanagh "dire", and Conor Gormley "taken to the cleaners"! Yikes!...
In fairness to Gormley no-one can work with PB when he's really up for it like he was tonight. Maybe unfair to single out Cavanagh but when you think of the talent the man has was very poor. He hit one good free I recall but never offered anything else.
OK, see you 'ole, ole' in-bred boys - we'll see who's 'ole ole' - ing in late summer.
Tyrone - we're in serious trouble. Either Mickey makes peace with O'Neill or we're toast when we need to score 14+.
Very disappointing. Even our regulars don't have the same hunger. Cavanagh and Holmes did look promising.
The problem wiht Cavanagh is he is not a good "midfielder" and this has been proven time and time again.....he is a great footballer who'd ideal position is as a roaming half forward..
Ask Whelan. Cavanagh annihilated him in the 2nd game in 2005. Don't listen to the hype.
What is going on?
There is NO HOPE without O'Neill
McMahon, Philly and Ricey did well.
Swift = no
Harte had a tough time but Muldoon on form
Paddy B on form.
Forwards - Tommy counted.
Quote from: ONeill on April 05, 2008, 11:05:48 PM
What is going on?
There is NO HOPE without O'Neill
McMahon, Philly and Ricey did well.
Swift = crap
Harte had a tough time but Muldoon on form
Paddy B on form.
Forwards - Tommy counted.
Was he really
that bad?
Yep, we're in the mire and, realistically, if anything's going to get Stevie back it's a desperate situation such as that which we're cheek by jowl with right now.
Tyrone just don't have the forwards to make any impression on the Ulster Championship this year. There is no leadership in the form of O'Neill or Canavan. Mulligan was just about to show some of his older sparkle, when he got injuried. I just hope it's not a set back for him and that he can take the leadership role for the forwards.
Mickey needs to get SoN back for the Down game and do whatever needs to be done.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 05, 2008, 11:13:34 PM
Quote from: ONeill on April 05, 2008, 11:05:48 PM
What is going on?
There is NO HOPE without O'Neill
McMahon, Philly and Ricey did well.
Swift = crap
Harte had a tough time but Muldoon on form
Paddy B on form.
Forwards - Tommy counted.
Was he really that bad?
Yep, we're in the mire and, realistically, if anything's going to get Stevie back it's a desperate situation such as that which we're cheek by jowl with right now.
Swift kicked Gilligan on the ground and should've walked. No place in the game for that sort of disgraceful behaviour.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 05, 2008, 11:13:34 PM
Quote from: ONeill on April 05, 2008, 11:05:48 PM
What is going on?
There is NO HOPE without O'Neill
McMahon, Philly and Ricey did well.
Swift = crap
Harte had a tough time but Muldoon on form
Paddy B on form.
Forwards - Tommy counted.
Was he really that bad?
Yep, we're in the mire and, realistically, if anything's going to get Stevie back it's a desperate situation such as that which we're cheek by jowl with right now.
FoSB, put it like this. I've been in an enviable position in that every Tyrone game has passed through my hands as I'm doing a wee bit of tape/video work for an enemy!
However, you're nearly afraid to criticise these days. Swift/Quinn/McCullagh/Donnelly are not All-Ireland winning players.
If Tyrone reach the AI Semi Final this year without O'Neill, I'll lick Fearon's shoes. On him.
Quote from: Oakleafer1993 on April 05, 2008, 10:07:49 PM
so what happened the great conor gormley - best full back in ireland -- paddy boy gave him a lesson tonite
Who ever claimed Gormley was the best full back in Ireland? ??? Best centre back Id say and its a pity we cant just him play there.
Quote from: ONeill on April 05, 2008, 11:39:47 PM
FoSB, put it like this. I've been in an enviable position in that every Tyrone game has passed through my hands as I'm doing a wee bit of tape/video work for an enemy!
However, you're nearly afraid to criticise these days. Swift/Quinn/McCullagh/Donnelly are not All-Ireland winning players.
If Tyrone reach the AI Semi Final this year without O'Neill, I'll lick Fearon's shoes. On him.
Damn! I get that pit of the stomach feeling that MH has ultimately been compromised/submerged/subsumed by the petty parochial politics of it all, despite his unique achievements, where some of the best players are out of the loop for reasons other than football, and others are in it for the same. In such a case, quarantine the klaxons, reserve the roars, and pray that sense will return soon.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 06, 2008, 12:05:05 AM
Quote from: ONeill on April 05, 2008, 11:39:47 PM
FoSB, put it like this. I've been in an enviable position in that every Tyrone game has passed through my hands as I'm doing a wee bit of tape/video work for an enemy!
However, you're nearly afraid to criticise these days. Swift/Quinn/McCullagh/Donnelly are not All-Ireland winning players.
If Tyrone reach the AI Semi Final this year without O'Neill, I'll lick Fearon's shoes. On him.
Damn! I get that pit of the stomach feeling that MH has ultimately been compromised/submerged/subsumed by the petty parochial politics of it all, despite his unique achievements, where some of the best players are out of the loop for reasons other than football, and others are in it for the same. In such a case, quarantine the klaxons, reserve the roars, and pray that sense will return soon.
I doubt if it will return in time, if at all !
Quote from: ONeill on April 05, 2008, 11:39:47 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 05, 2008, 11:13:34 PM
Quote from: ONeill on April 05, 2008, 11:05:48 PM
What is going on?
There is NO HOPE without O'Neill
McMahon, Philly and Ricey did well.
Swift = crap
Harte had a tough time but Muldoon on form
Paddy B on form.
Forwards - Tommy counted.
Was he really that bad?
Yep, we're in the mire and, realistically, if anything's going to get Stevie back it's a desperate situation such as that which we're cheek by jowl with right now.
FoSB, put it like this. I've been in an enviable position in that every Tyrone game has passed through my hands as I'm doing a wee bit of tape/video work for an enemy!
However, you're nearly afraid to criticise these days. Swift/Quinn/McCullagh/Donnelly are not All-Ireland winning players.
If Tyrone reach the AI Semi Final this year without O'Neill, I'll lick Fearon's shoes. On him.
I generally concur. I'm not his biggest fan but you might be a little harsh on McCullagh, he's a middling forward and for me was the pick of them tonight . And Quinn has potential, whose the last freshman footballer to come into the Tyrone team and make a major impact (Sean's goal v Armagh 02 draw doesn't count as that's all he did). Peter Donnelly has my heart broke, seriously enough is enough. Why Mickey?
Boys, if I was O'Neill I wouldn't be back. Why would you? Questionable fitness, no discernible tactics after reaching the half way line, and a manager you allegedly don't get on with and a trainer you allegedly don't respect. Where's the silver lining?
So, one game to go before Down in Omagh. What would you give for a Benny Coulter on the Tyrone side? A classy target man would allow lads like McCullagh and Gormley to feed off him and use their speed. Can we not transform Colm Cavanagh into that? Can Mugsy lead the line? There were signs he was starting to.
One good thing is that expectations are low, as low as they were after the first Cavan game in 05. In the replay Peter and Stephen turned their season around.
Dooher
Mulgrew
McGinley
Mellon
Mulligan
McGuigan x 2
Gormley
C Cavanagh
O'Neill
There's a decent unit there somewhere albeit no-one who'll trouble the top scorer compilers.
Would Johnny Lafferty of Urney make a decent target man? Haven't see much of him truth be told, so an enquiry as opposed to a sugggestion.
Quote from: Rav67 on April 05, 2008, 10:13:14 PM
Great game there I thought, very entertaining.
Conway has took a lot of criticism on this board but he was outstanding this eveining, won a lot of his own ball and used it well. Muldoon really came into his own in the last quarter and showed what a class act he is. Skinner was much improved until his stupid sending-off, and PB was back to his brilliant best it was great to see the much-vaunted Gormley getting taken to the cleaners like that!
Tyrone were disappointing though in fairness, especially around midfield and Sean Cavanagh was dire.
Absolutely agree Rav, he did a lot to quieten his detractors last night. (I wonder does he read this board). I thought his clubmate Mc Ivor was also excellent last night, Kept Mellon out of it and the fact that the latter was playing deep, he continuously came forward a made a lot of valuable play. Apart from one mistake in front of goal in the second half, a very solid performance.
Hinphy kept both his men virtually anonymous for Tryone. Mc Ginley first half and Cavanagh in the second. Again, very solid. Still galls me that Crozier didnt start him against the Dubs last year.... spilt milk an all that...
A lot of credible performances all round, but I suppose its always easy to say that when you win. Only big negative for me was that Mark Lynch, after another blistering start and a fantastic point seemed to fade out of it. Just dont get that
What was crozier doing only putting murphy on with 3 mins to go. That'll sharpen him ::) >:(
For me a typical niggly derby tussle, with a ref who threatened to let things get out of hand several times. Even after the final whistle, Jordan went for a bit of afters with PB only gormley (i think) wised him up
Quote from: ONeill on April 05, 2008, 10:26:49 PM
OK, see you 'ole, ole' in-bred boys - we'll see who's 'ole ole' - ing in late summer.
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O Neill, dont like that crap myself (makes us sound like tyronies), but yous guys drew first blood on that unattractive feature of our encounters. A painful day in casement made all the more painful with sh!t like that. I also recall the day when yes hockeyed poor fermanagh and persisted with that sh!t for almost the entire second half!!! Suck it up.
Very harsh on Swift O'Neill. Dont think he'd done a big pile wrong and was only taken of because he got booked and its Harte's policy to take defenders off once they get booked. Swift definately has potential and still think he could nail down a corner back spot this year.
I thought our biggest problems again last night was the forwards (although the full back line was left exposed too often due to a lack of cover from the half backs which needs to be addressed). The keepers kickouts also were a major problem but he wont be on come championship. The most positive thing is that there is serious potential for these areas to be improved come championship if things go right. If we could get 2 or 3 of McGuigan/Dooher/Mulligan/O'Neill back fit then we're at least as good as anything in ulster. If O'Neill and Mulligan were fit and playing last night Id be pretty confident we'd have one that game, its very important for the season ahead that O'Neill can be persuaded to come back (if fit), its to much a waste of talent for a player like him to be retired at 27. The full forward line last night wasnt good enough, McCullagh is the only one good enough to start.
Not sure what Mickey was thinking moving Peter Donnelly into corner back against the Bradleys at the end. The lad tries and hard and wouldnt be overly critical of him but there'sno way he can play that position at county level. Would have made more sense to take a look at McCaul. I see the Derry fans are going on about Paddy B after the match but if they think Tyrone would allow him that sort of space come the championship they're very wrong. Reminds me of the time Gooch gave McMenamin a roasting in 05 down in Kerry, come the 05 final Gooch was an awful lot quieter and was never given anywere as much room. Would like to see Justy McMahon get a run at midfield for the last game.
I thought it was a poor game to be honest, highlighted by some very poor refereeing (for both sides).
Derry should have won by more as they dominated the second half and I think they had a gameplan in the first half to just keep it close when playing against the wind. We never took a shot untill at most 30m from goal, so I think that was some very conrtolled football by Derry.
I thought Lynch and McGoldrick were poor for Derry in the half forwards. McGoldrick I think is just too slow to make a decision as to what to do when he get the ball and he is then forced to carry and quite often loses posession or make a bad pass. Lynch has been disappointing for a few games now...seems to start well then fade. Out of position perhaps?
Fergal Doc was immense....Conway improved. 6 Derry backs were very good.
Tyrone's established players just did not perform and I think you will still see some improvement there before championship. They did resort to a lot of off the ball tackles and how Conleith Gilligan played for so long without retaliating I do not know....he must have been take out half a dozen times.
It was mentioned in an earlier post about how Derry systmatically fouled in Omagh 06 so no-one got sent off....well I think anyone at the game last night could see that this is exactly what Tyrone did. Swift taken off as he was booked...McGee the sub who was subbed as he had been booked and black carded...a lot of it went on.
But we won and thats the main thing...might get a league final spot...dont really care as long as we stay up.
This game will mean nothing come championship.
I would say both teams were guilty of niggling of the ball, it wasnt just Tyrone. The Tyrone full forwards got paid some close attention, as did the half backs when running forward. Also on a number of occasions when Cavanagh tried to run forward from the middle he was pulled back or dragged to the ground by Conway.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on April 06, 2008, 11:48:23 AM
Very harsh on Swift O'Neill.
In retrospect I accept that. He's a lot better than I am. I just feel he's down in pecking order. A lot of the supporters are hanging on to the belief that our established players are holding back and will step it up come June. I'm nervous about that assumption. Even our star line - the half backs - don't seem to be playing as a unit with the full backs. We seem to be leaking all over the field in terms of getting some kind of fluidity as a team - a hallmark of previous Harte sides.
What is it now - 7 weeks or so with no friendlies? Much to do.
God knows what McCaul must be thinking seeing Peter Donnelly running out onto the pitch.........................
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on April 06, 2008, 11:48:23 AMReminds me of the time Gooch gave McMenamin a roasting in 05 down in Kerry, come the 05 final Gooch was an awful lot quieter and was never given anywere as much room.
Apparently it's not easy playing with only one eye functioning.
tyrone wont be far away come the championship
cant believe some of stick i hear harte getting around the place
who else would do a better job
if certain "stars" dont want to put on the jersey let them stay away
said it before and will say it again, Cavanagh is not an intercounty midfielder
the most disappointing aspect for me was that Derry couldnt put away a very limited and makeshift tyrone team.
Conway looked good as he was up against SC who again is not a midfielder.
tyrone looked poor as they had no midfield platform to build on.....Derry had and didnt really capitalise
also mark lynch is poor, imo its because he is out of position and out of synch because of it.
may need a break on the sideline as impact sub or to take a break from football for a year.
I recall paddy bradley was equally as hit and miss in his first couple of years playing senior intercounty.
anyhow, I'll be gracious in victory. with mickey harte, Tyrone will always have a chance in the ulster championship
and they are on the easy side of the draw.
Can't really say anything constructive about this one, I only get to the away games around the pale these days.
Good to see signs of Derry putting up a proper challenge for Ulster this year, don't know about beyond that though.
Must... not... jinx Derry.
Must... not... gloat...Do Daa, Do Daa.
Quote from: tyroneman on April 06, 2008, 01:46:55 PM
God knows what McCaul must be thinking seeing Peter Donnelly running out onto the pitch.........................
Gosh I would agree with this. Beggars belief how Peter Donnelly is used every game. I know it doesn't matter one jot what we say here as he'll be 1st or 2nd sub used against Mayo anyway :'(. Ryan Mellon & Ray Mulgrew are kind of in the same boat - doesn't matter how bad they play, they will be on again next game.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on April 06, 2008, 10:27:47 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on April 06, 2008, 01:46:55 PM
God knows what McCaul must be thinking seeing Peter Donnelly running out onto the pitch.........................
Gosh I would agree with this. Beggars belief how Peter Donnelly is used every game. I know it doesn't matter one jot what we say here as he'll be 1st or 2nd sub used against Mayo anyway :'(. Ryan Mellon & Ray Mulgrew are kind of in the same boat - doesn't matter how bad they play, they will be on again next game.
Isimply can't figure Mc Caul out !
Quote from: lynchbhoy on April 06, 2008, 08:44:25 PM
the most disappointing aspect for me was that Derry couldnt put away a very limited and makeshift tyrone team.
The limited bit you can argue but as for makeshift - we're not missing that many players who'll start in June. That's the worry.
Quote from: ONeill on April 06, 2008, 11:14:27 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on April 06, 2008, 08:44:25 PM
the most disappointing aspect for me was that Derry couldnt put away a very limited and makeshift tyrone team.
The limited bit you can argue but as for makeshift - we're not missing that many players who'll start in June. That's the worry.
Another problem is that in defence we don't know who's going to play where - it seems to be very fluid - there seems to be about 10 defenders who could line out against Down which is a bit of a problem - we need a settled defence - as for midfield - who knows ?
Ye can only assume that with one game left in the league that thats what you are going to get in the championship. Mc Caul will be fine he'll get his chance at some stage. Theres experienced heads like Gourley and Mc Gee needing more game time also, but that will never even come close to solving the problem - the forward division hasnt bedded. The best forward in the Mc kenna cup campaign was cast aside - Mc Carron of Fintona. We lost Mc Ginn and we lost O neill. Theres little forward talent in that under 21 team. We need to realise that the next group of players we need to nurture include names like Thornton, Doherty, Murphy, Mc kenna, Teague, Mc Nulty, Simon O Neill, O hagan etc. Mickey has placed 3 years faith now on Mulgres shoulders and he hasnt and will never make a county no 11. Ie we need to look a few years down the line. If we learn something from Saturday night it must be that we are 3 years away from having a forward line capable of winning a championship. Mickey Hartes only hope in the short term is to beg Stevie O Neill back. Will he do that? If that dosent happen and it may not then Mickey the end is nigh in terms of success.
Right ok, this is where we're now at...we've had 3 defeats to what u would term top 6/8 teams in the country, teams which will most likely be in last 8 come august...and on the scoreboard the defeats were emphatic...
we can talk about injuries, players to come back etc and what will happen in june, but it's fair to say the same hunger/resolve/leadership isn't there....
truth be told, our squad hasn't the depth, nor quality throughout the 30 men to compete at all ireland stage...we may have enough to possibly win ulster, but overall bar our first choice/ideal starting 15, we are struggling beyond that...
we may be a victim of our own success, the graduation onto the senior panel of our younger players may not have been helped by having a successful senior side, with likes of tommy mcguigan/niall gormley only getting games now due to the quality and standard we previously had...same could be said for a lot of that 2001 minor side, marty penrose, paul quinn etc...even this could be extended to joe mcmahon/dermy carlin, have these fellows really got to establish themselves in the team??
i fear longterm future of this team, i feel armagh's future brighter than ours...we are seriously struggling forward wise....esp full forward line, we have no-one to win ball and take scores from play...i said last week we should have had presence in there v derry and our inside line was too much of a muchness
Swift situation was waiting to happen, after debacle in mckenna cup, was he really any better than fabian o'neill?? what's mccaul got to do?? agree gormley better at 6, but until we groom a full back, who else? think mccaul could be long term option there...
i agree also about tommy, i feel he is a class act waiting to happen..so for heavens sake Beard, play him at no.11 for mayo match...relegation while possible, is unlikely, so lets try shaping this team for future, starting with 8th june...
Finbar
McCaul
Gormley
Carlin
McMenamin
Justin McMahon
Jordan
Holmes
Cavanagh
Enda
Tommy
Mulgrew
Penrose
Colm Cavanagh
McCullagh
We msu make a full forward out of C Cavanagh, but he is raw and needs grromed for the role. Caonor Gormley must be our no 6 and we need a 3 as Conor lacks a little pace and height here. If conoe does 6 little will be ran past him anyway. Tommie needs game after game at 11 until he beds in. Leave Packie in goals and get rid of one of the other 2 guys and bring in Daisy Mc dermott or others who are forwards. Penrose is actually lookig like one of the best attacking options at the moment, this panel hanst been thought out at all. mc gee Gourley etc
Have to say I was over the moon with our win on Saturday. The performance was OK too but we are still capable of more which I suppose is a good thing considering we're not yet in championship mode.
As I said before the Galway game and after I wasn't too worried about it because we were missing a few main men and well it actually transpired that we were only missing one player for that match. Doc was excellent again on Saturday night and showed why he is so important to this team. In fairness to him James Conway also stepped up his game but I think that he needs Doc in order to play like that and gets exposed when left on his own in there.
I guess I have nothing different to say than everyone else, full back line and MF were excellent. I thought Lynch, Skinner and McGoldrick didn't play great with Lynch and Skinner disappointing me. I think that Murphy and Devlin need to be brought into this area for the championship to help strengthen our forward division.
Defence was very good with McIver impressing me at WB. I thought Hinphey was skating on very thin ice for a lot of the match and gave away a couple of silly balls at times and to be honest I would have taken him off a bit earlier but he managed to get through alright.
As for Tyrone well I was very disappointed in them. I also have to agree with tbrick18 after all Mickey Harte's 'holier than thou' talk after the last championship meeting about systematic fouling and different players timing their bookings it was interesting to see Conleth Gilligan's 2 separate markers having to be substituted for incidents with him and Gilligan is by no means a dirty player!
As for that shite ones started of olé olé... we're not f**king United supporters this is the GAA and if we start crap like that we'll have to be separated in future games much like United and City... I wouldn't condone a Tyronie decking a Derry supporter but if the shoe was on the other foot there would be boys from our side tempted too. Is it not enough just to beat them on the scoreboard and revel in our neighbours demise without being a dick about things?
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on April 06, 2008, 12:47:59 PM
I would say both teams were guilty of niggling of the ball, it wasnt just Tyrone. The Tyrone full forwards got paid some close attention, as did the half backs when running forward. Also on a number of occasions when Cavanagh tried to run forward from the middle he was pulled back or dragged to the ground by Conway.
Now that you say it I did notice Conway pulling Cavanagh at the beginning of the match....it worked though, they moved Cavanagh to wing half :)
Quote from: rrhf on April 07, 2008, 09:38:58 AM
We msu make a full forward out of C Cavanagh, but he is raw and needs grromed for the role. Caonor Gormley must be our no 6 and we need a 3 as Conor lacks a little pace and height here. If conoe does 6 little will be ran past him anyway. Tommie needs game after game at 11 until he beds in. Leave Packie in goals and get rid of one of the other 2 guys and bring in Daisy Mc dermott or others who are forwards. Penrose is actually lookig like one of the best attacking options at the moment, this panel hanst been thought out at all. mc gee Gourley etc
I get the feelng panic is starting to set in - the time for Daisy and Penrose was about 3 months ago -
In terms of the panel, surely he's had ebough time to think about it ?
Quote from: ziggysego on April 05, 2008, 11:28:22 PM
Tyrone just don't have the forwards to make any impression on the Ulster Championship this year. There is no leadership in the form of O'Neill or Canavan. Mulligan was just about to show some of his older sparkle, when he got injuried. I just hope it's not a set back for him and that he can take the leadership role for the forwards.
Mickey needs to get SoN back for the Down game and do whatever needs to be done.
I said it at the start off the year and ill say it again...Harte needs to go....Lets face up to what has has actually happened in tyrone...We have lost 4 of our greatest, Canavan, Oneill, Dooher & Mc Guigan. Take them men out off any team and theyd suffer....As the saying goes your only as good as the men around you and i feel that even though we won 2 all irelands the quality of the 4 men mentioned above disguised the actual quality off the rest off our players. Mellon, Mulligan and these guys just arent or close to the same quality...Our game is based on a hard work ethic, scrap for everything mentality. With Dooher gone it highlights the weakness in Mid Field, Cavanagh doesnt catch enough clean ball...Class running forward but is struggling when asked to catch ball...Obviously with 4 off the men mentioned being forwards the real problem lies up front...Has harte lookd at scorers charts, has he tried guys that are scoring hevily each week in our leauges, or is he just looking at college guys....??
Tyrone arent as fit/hungry as they were...which is understandable but are thes players sick of listening to the same old teamtalk and going to the same old training session.....Theres too much dead wood in the panel...
- Harte must go, Stephen o Neill is a bigger Loss to tyrone than Harte Is (And it was because of harte that he went)
- Management team should be put in place that has worked with the younger players...i.e. 2001 Minor Winning Team etc
- A new Trainer should be put in place.....
- The system now in place with the ACL is shambolic, Lets focus on the club for a few years and breed new players...Forget about the county, the good times are over for a few years..
Ill have a stab at the future
Curran
Carlin
Kieran Mc Crory / Mc Carron
D Mc Caul
Davy
Gormley
PJ Quinn/ Justy Mc Mahon
Sean Cavanagh (C)
Micky Murphy
Tommy Mc Guigan
Raymond Mulgrew
Kyle Coney
Daisy Mc Dermott
Colm Cavanagh
Niall Mc Ginn/Sean O Neill
Potentially this is our best future
Management: Liam Donnelly & Peter Canavan
Trainer: Paddy Tally, Ryan Porter
This is where we need to be at!!!!
Quote from: Quarterback on April 07, 2008, 12:04:17 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on April 05, 2008, 11:28:22 PM
Tyrone just don't have the forwards to make any impression on the Ulster Championship this year. There is no leadership in the form of O'Neill or Canavan. Mulligan was just about to show some of his older sparkle, when he got injuried. I just hope it's not a set back for him and that he can take the leadership role for the forwards.
Mickey needs to get SoN back for the Down game and do whatever needs to be done.
I said it at the start off the year and ill say it again...Harte needs to go....Lets face up to what has has actually happened in tyrone...We have lost 4 of our greatest, Canavan, Oneill, Dooher & Mc Guigan. Take them men out off any team and theyd suffer....As the saying goes your only as good as the men around you and i feel that even though we won 2 all irelands the quality of the 4 men mentioned above disguised the actual quality off the rest off our players. Mellon, Mulligan and these guys just arent or close to the same quality...Our game is based on a hard work ethic, scrap for everything mentality. With Dooher gone it highlights the weakness in Mid Field, Cavanagh doesnt catch enough clean ball...Class running forward but is struggling when asked to catch ball...Obviously with 4 off the men mentioned being forwards the real problem lies up front...Has harte lookd at scorers charts, has he tried guys that are scoring hevily each week in our leauges, or is he just looking at college guys....??
Tyrone arent as fit/hungry as they were...which is understandable but are thes players sick of listening to the same old teamtalk and going to the same old training session.....Theres too much dead wood in the panel...
- Harte must go, Stephen o Neill is a bigger Loss to tyrone than Harte Is (And it was because of harte that he went)
- Management team should be put in place that has worked with the younger players...i.e. 2001 Minor Winning Team etc
- A new Trainer should be put in place.....
- The system now in place with the ACL is shambolic, Lets focus on the club for a few years and breed new players...Forget about the county, the good times are over for a few years..
Ill have a stab at the future
Curran
Carlin
Kieran Mc Crory / Mc Carron
D Mc Caul
Davy
Gormley
PJ Quinn/ Justy Mc Mahon
Sean Cavanagh (C)
Micky Murphy
Tommy Mc Guigan
Raymond Mulgrew
Kyle Coney
Daisy Mc Dermott
Colm Cavanagh
Niall Mc Ginn/Sean O Neill
Potentially this is our best future
Management: Liam Donnelly & Peter Canavan
Trainer: Paddy Tally, Ryan Porter
This is where we need to be at!!!!
What a load of BOLLOCKS !!!!!!!!!!!
Took the words right out of my mouth amigo...
Liam Donnelly?? That man is responsible for putting to loss a fine underage generation from 2004 minor side....the man is devoid of ideas tactically, every team he is with has plummeted, they blame him in enniskillen for not realising their potential and winning ulster club, he came in there in 2003 after they reached ulster final previous year...and a poor derrygonnelly team beat them the following year...look at his treatment of niall mcginn previously and the toner boys from coalisland??
agree that new backroom setup needed...that was one of the many straws that broke stephen o'neill's back...the dromore players couldn't believe how amateur the training methods were compared to porter...
however Beard is still the man in my opinion, he doesn't have the tools at the min...we are badly lacking the spark/hunger of previous years....
Daisy's selection may not sound so daft, heard he is in fine shape and is flying at min...we need scoring forwards!!!
I wouldnt rate Donnelly either. id love to see Canavan and tally back though, preferably with Harte,
I can't see why you'd drop Jordan.
There's definitely a lot of merit in what you say but Mickey Harte has brought 2 Sams, 2 Ulsters and a NFL from 2003-2007. In 2005, after the Wexford game we were having similar doubts. Granted we always knew Peter, Stephen et al were still class players and could get their form back. I believe Mickey should be given this year - bearing in mind we're still Ulster Champions and a division 1 side. We have lost men that you only experience once in every generation and Mickey should be given a chance to blend with new with the old. It perhaps is dawning on many of us that the 2003-2005 side were exceptional and that their replacements are a notch or two below that.
Mickey cannot work miracles on average to good county players. However, as manager of Tyrone he does have the responsibility of finding and churning out the best we have to offer as a county. At the end of this season, let him be judged on that. There's always the hope that he can weave the magic he has done since 1997. Some claim the Canavan factor is the main reason and there's merit to that too. He has been instrumental, even on one leg, to any major silverware Tyrone won since 2000. However, Peter wasn't part of the minor and U21 teams Mickey managed in recent seasons. The same voice syndrome may be a factor and that's why i do believe he will probably see how this year pans out.
Things don't look rosy at the minute. Finding a forward unit that can click has eluded Mickey this season. The returning Dooher will not fix that. He'll add stability and leadership but our problem is more than that. We haven't players to fear. When some of the top teams win a free 35m out they know it's as good as a point. O'Neill gave us that. Canavan did. Midfield is unsettled. Defensively we haven't a clue how the full back line will pan out v Down. Maybe Mickey does know.
Ill make a prediction now. D Mc Caul will play 3 V Down in the championship.
It's as simple as this - Tyrone have lost the following from 2003 / 2005
1. Gerald Cavlan - huge loss - great player ( whatever else you might think about him )
2. Chris Lawn - steady as a rock - a great servant
3. Cormac Mc Anallen - unbeleievable loss - his loss can't really be measured
4. Peter Canavan - there was ever only one of them made - best player of this generation
5 Brian Mc Guigan - provided the creativity that Tyrone and every team needed. Again irreplaceable.
6. Stephen O'Neill - one of the FEW naturally gifted forwards of this generation - lethal
7 Brian Dooher - a meodern day work horse who provided the inspiration to those around him.
8. Owen Mulligan - finished off the moves started by Canavan and Mc Guigan
Add to that the loss of form of Hughes and now Cavanagh.
Now - wake up and smell the coffee ! The lads that are left eg Mc Menamin, Gormley, Jordan, Mellon, Carlin, Mc Mahon etc etc have bound to have lost faith, lost the necessary hunger to win at this level. Last year they won Ulster and to me this was an overachievement on their part.
There's not much MH can do without the men listed above - I think he has done well to keep Tyrone in a position where they are continuing to hold their own in division 1.
I still think MH is the man to carry us forward but we as supporters must realise that we simply are NOT in a position to challenge for AI honours - we haven't replaced the men we have lost and can't.
Quote from: amigo on April 07, 2008, 12:09:42 PM
Quote from: Quarterback on April 07, 2008, 12:04:17 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on April 05, 2008, 11:28:22 PM
Tyrone just don't have the forwards to make any impression on the Ulster Championship this year. There is no leadership in the form of O'Neill or Canavan. Mulligan was just about to show some of his older sparkle, when he got injuried. I just hope it's not a set back for him and that he can take the leadership role for the forwards.
Mickey needs to get SoN back for the Down game and do whatever needs to be done.
I said it at the start off the year and ill say it again...Harte needs to go....Lets face up to what has has actually happened in tyrone...We have lost 4 of our greatest, Canavan, Oneill, Dooher & Mc Guigan. Take them men out off any team and theyd suffer....As the saying goes your only as good as the men around you and i feel that even though we won 2 all irelands the quality of the 4 men mentioned above disguised the actual quality off the rest off our players. Mellon, Mulligan and these guys just arent or close to the same quality...Our game is based on a hard work ethic, scrap for everything mentality. With Dooher gone it highlights the weakness in Mid Field, Cavanagh doesnt catch enough clean ball...Class running forward but is struggling when asked to catch ball...Obviously with 4 off the men mentioned being forwards the real problem lies up front...Has harte lookd at scorers charts, has he tried guys that are scoring hevily each week in our leauges, or is he just looking at college guys....??
Tyrone arent as fit/hungry as they were...which is understandable but are thes players sick of listening to the same old teamtalk and going to the same old training session.....Theres too much dead wood in the panel...
- Harte must go, Stephen o Neill is a bigger Loss to tyrone than Harte Is (And it was because of harte that he went)
- Management team should be put in place that has worked with the younger players...i.e. 2001 Minor Winning Team etc
- A new Trainer should be put in place.....
- The system now in place with the ACL is shambolic, Lets focus on the club for a few years and breed new players...Forget about the county, the good times are over for a few years..
Ill have a stab at the future
Curran
Carlin
Kieran Mc Crory / Mc Carron
D Mc Caul
Davy
Gormley
PJ Quinn/ Justy Mc Mahon
Sean Cavanagh (C)
Micky Murphy
Tommy Mc Guigan
Raymond Mulgrew
Kyle Coney
Daisy Mc Dermott
Colm Cavanagh
Niall Mc Ginn/Sean O Neill
Potentially this is our best future
Management: Liam Donnelly & Peter Canavan
Trainer: Paddy Tally, Ryan Porter
This is where we need to be at!!!!
What a load of BOLLOCKS !!!!!!!!!!!
Explain what part of what i have said is a load of bollocks??? Liam Donnelly mayb is a big premature but he would have canavan to keep the thing right.......Answer my question....Is stephen o neill a bigger loss to tyrone than Harte........
Talk of huge changes and almost a new team is way over the top. Harte has done a superb job by winning 2 All-Ireland's for Tyrone. If you look at the circumstances in each year it was going to be almost impossible to win Sam in 2004,2006 and 2007 so Harte basically won it the two times he had something approaching his best team available. The injuries and other more serious events werent his fault. For all the criticism he is getting here the fact is (and its already been mentioned) that if you take the late Cormac, Canavan, Dooher, O' Neill and McGuigan out of a team it will be a shadow of its former self. Its as simple as that. Is O' Neill a bigger loss than Harte? Well thats an impossible question to answer really, how do make a comparison? Ultimately if SON doesnt want to play for Tyrone then thats his choice and you have to respece it.
As for our immediate problems I agree the manager hasnt covered himself in glory during this league campaign. For at least the 3rd league campaign in a row the FB question has not been answered. We have passengers like Donnelly who despite a number of chances hasnt done it. The McCaul situation is bizarre, a starter in the All-Ireland QF a year ago but cant get a game even as sub in the league ???. I thought it was strange at the time that Aidan McCarron didnt make the league panel, surely he was worth a run at least given the lack of scoring forwards.
Overall though I think you have to give Harte the championship and see where we are come the end of the campaign, he has more than earned the right to be backed when things arent going well.
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on April 07, 2008, 02:22:48 PM
Talk of huge changes and almost a new team is way over the top. Harte has done a superb job by winning 2 All-Ireland's for Tyrone. If you look at the circumstances in each year it was going to be almost impossible to win Sam in 2004,2006 and 2007 so Harte basically won it the two times he had something approaching his best team available. The injuries and other more serious events werent his fault. For all the criticism he is getting here the fact is (and its already been mentioned) that if you take the late Cormac, Canavan, Dooher, O' Neill and McGuigan out of a team it will be a shadow of its former self. Its as simple as that. Is O' Neill a bigger loss than Harte? Well thats an impossible question to answer really, how do make a comparison? Ultimately if SON doesnt want to play for Tyrone then thats his choice and you have to respece it.
As for our immediate problems I agree the manager hasnt covered himself in glory during this league campaign. For at least the 3rd league campaign in a row the FB question has not been answered. We have passengers like Donnelly who despite a number of chances hasnt done it. The McCaul situation is bizarre, a starter in the All-Ireland QF a year ago but cant get a game even as sub in the league ???. I thought it was strange at the time that Aidan McCarron didnt make the league panel, surely he was worth a run at least given the lack of scoring forwards.
Overall though I think you have to give Harte the championship and see where we are come the end of the campaign, he has more than earned the right to be backed when things arent going well.
Agreed on all 3 counts - if you don't have the material, you can't do much - I think it will slowly dawn on people that the crop of players in 2003 and 2005 were truly outstanding.
Was at my 1st match of the season and didn't see to much to give me much hope for the season
I thought we showed a little bit of fight and hunger but as has already been said we've become a very normal side now with very limited resources
If there was one thing I picked up from the Derry fans around us was that those with eyes finally saw for themselves how depleted Tyrone are now.
I think ever since this injury scourge begun lots of counties including many of our own fans thought
Yeah yeah some big names out but Tyrone can cope cos of their huge legacy of underage talent and ongoing conveyor belt of star studded forwards
Nearly every minor team we seem to have has a star No 14 who can score 1.05 regularly
Now we're seeing that having lost all those players we don't have the backup players and we're just an ordinary WEE team now.
Other team survive with mediocre forwards cos they get could supply from midfield but its was our half backs and half forwards who turned over most of our possession before whereas now that's not happening so our FF line is getting bombarded again and again.
I've mixed emotions about Mickey
I would usually say Yes he's being a bit selfish now wanting to stay on as things have got stale
However, he's a smart coach and great tactician and has the balls to make the calls when needed, even if some recently seem weird like Mulgrew, Mellon and Donnelly but the alternatives aren't much better.
I think a new voice would be a great way to refresh the team but until we have a descent fit team back again then what's the point. Mickey has earned his oats and will be allowed to stay as long as he wants.
On a personal note I think ye all need to stop talking about Stevie as if its when rather than IF.
I have no inside info but from the news I have heard his knee is still F**ked and whatever diiferences he had or had not with Harte would not stop Stevie if he was fully fit in my eyes.
I think with the squad we have we did very well to win Ulster last year and I think we're a mid table Div 1 team now at best.
Look at Dublin, Armagh and Cork who got to the AI final last year. NFL is still a long way off AI pace and players can't be that fit all year round.
Roll on June so we can see the dry better pitches and maybe a team like...
Packie
McGee
McCaul
Carlin/Gourley
Ricey
Gormley
Jordan
Justin
McGinley
Nephew
B.McGuigan
Dooher
Tommy
Mugsy
C.Cavanagh or McCullagh
You'd think we'd lost a championhip match listening to some of the crap on here. Give Harte a break for godsake, he's as capable as anyone of turning things round come the championship. We werent great in the league last year and still won Ulster and could have went further if we'd turned up for the Meath game. The great Kerry team have scored something similar to us after 6 games played in the league and Im quite they're not to concerned about it.
There's not a hope in hell that the full forward line on Saturday night will be in place come the Down game. Similarly there's not a hope the Bradley's would be left with an acre of space to run into if Tyrone play them in the champioship. Again there's no hope Curran will be in nets come champiosnhip so hopefully we wont be put under such severe pressure with our own kickouts. With a 2 month break before the championship it would never have made any sense to peak during the league this year - the next 2 months will be the time to focus on getting the fitness up to 100% and concentrating on getting the championship team right and improving the forward line.
There'll be plenty of time for moaning and post mortems if we get put out of the championship early, this isnt the time. I remember on here in 05 Harte getting some serious stick prior to the championship, with lots of talk of player unrest and how he no longer had control etc and the team were going no were without Tally. All rubbish then.
Fair play to you TD - the glass is always half full !
Well dont see the point in being too negative in April after a league defeat. Its obvious that the team from Saturday night will be considerably strenghtened by the return of Dooher and Mulligan and a few months training. Dont get be wrong their are problems but we'll not no if they can be fixed for another few months yet, so I think its pointless calling for the head of the manager of the current ulster champions at this stage. If O'Neill doesnt come back dont be suprised if the full forward line come championship is McCullagh, Colm Cavanagh and Mulligan. Cavanagh still has a lot to prove though but Im just thinking back to the team picked for the Donegal victory last year. Would like to see Cavanagh, McCaul and possibly Penrose (at half forward to play the Dooher role) get a run this week. Gourley could be worth a look at in a holding role at centre half back as well to see what kind of form he's in.
You call it correctly TD, there'll be plenty of time for the recriminations when we haven't actually won anything this year; there's a bit to go yet. I'd be disappointed with MH had the League not been used to blood new players, Division 1 survival's important, but not that important.
The thing is that despite a makeshift forward unit we've competed in every game this season with Derry pulling away to win by 4 being the biggest loss so far. I wouldnt like to see the reactions of some people (who were probably calling for the league to be used to blood new players anyway) if we'd actually been relegated.
Players like Canavan, McAnallen, O'Neill and McGuigan. Take them out of any inter-county team and they'd struggle (expect Kerry).
I am not one to call for the head of Harte, the man has worked wonders for the County and can't help the circumstances in 2004 and 2006, but I won't include last year. He needs Tally back into the set-up again and to search deeper into the club scene for players he missed.
For now, Tyrone should focus on Club football and try to make a break throught in a Senior Club All-Ireland. For me, Carrickmore is our best chance for that. Prehaps a few years away from inter-county football and using the time to establish the hungry will work wonders for the younger players coming through now.
Although Im sure most people in Tyrone would be glad to see a Tyrone Club win the All Ireland, Id be confident that if it wasnt their own club the vast majority of people would rather see Tyrone challenging for Sam. It will be nice to see the all county leagues back up and running though and the prospect of regular football for the next few months.
Even Kerry struggle without their best players Ziggy and this has never been more evident than in this years league. They have really struggled for scores throughout the league and if Declan O'Sullivan, Galvin and Gooch weren't playing in the championship I dont think they'd have a strong chance of landing Sam.
Well to be honest, I'd rather see a team like Monaghan coming through and winning Sam for the first time.
You'd rather see Monaghan win Sam than Tyrone?
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on April 07, 2008, 10:26:54 PM
You'd rather see Monaghan win Sam than Tyrone?
Honestly........ no. But I would be happy for them to win it and I wouldn't be too disheartened.
If Tyrone didnt win it would be very happy to see someone like Monaghan or Donegal do it.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on April 07, 2008, 11:08:23 PM
If Tyrone didnt win it would be very happy to see someone like Monaghan or Donegal do it.
Would you not like to see our good neighbours Derry win it again ?
Derry have a very poor provincial record in recent decades -
1998
1993
1987
1976
Not just recent decades, I think Derry have only won 8 Ulster titles but I've a feeling that record will be improved come July
QuotePlayers like Canavan, McAnallen, O'Neill and McGuigan. Take them out of any inter-county team and they'd struggle (expect Kerry).
I take it you meant except - but are you trying to tell me that Kerry would not struggle without arguably their 4 best players - if you took Cooper and the 3 O'Se's out of the Kerry team I would put money on them struggling aswell. But I agree with you in that Paddy Tally needs to be brought back in.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on April 07, 2008, 10:26:54 PM
You'd rather see Monaghan win Sam than Tyrone?
I would rather see anyone winning sam, than Tyrone
there are some very fickle Tyrone supporters on here....a manager delivers 2 all-irelands yet people are calling for his head!
I've no love for the man (not least because he could do with a shave and a #1 all over) but for jeezus sake, give him a chance. It takes time to rebuild a team...and you cant expect to win things while doing so. He has been tried and tested and has shown he can do it on the big stage making the difficult calls so who would you get in that would be better qualified.
Remember the late Eamon Coleman getting only one year after 1993, Down beat us in Ulster and went on to win the all-ireland. People called for Eamon's head and the county board duly responded and in my opinion destroyed all chances of that great team winning another title. I know many of the players feel that way too.
So dont be too hasty to get rid of a successful manager...things might get even worse if you do.
As for Derry winning Ulster or All-Irelands....we have the players and the ability to do it. Not sure we have a manager who has what it takes to win things but he has improved Derry over the past few years. I just hope we can finally step up to the plate and get back to winning things.
Harte has earned the right to re-structure the team, but quite simply as part of his back-room staff I think Tyrone need someone in the mould of Tally to come back in. As previously mentioned, we were in as bad a state last year in the league and we had SON and a few others playing here and there. The worrying thing this year is that the fitness levels and intensity don't seem to be what they were, and that was something that was acredited to Tally in 2003, whereas it was the frequency and number of games in 2005 that helped the team on.
Quote from: tbrick18 on April 08, 2008, 09:33:33 AM
there are some very fickle Tyrone supporters on here....a manager delivers 2 all-irelands yet people are calling for his head!
Who are these
people?
Quote from: ONeill on April 08, 2008, 09:52:57 AM
Quote from: tbrick18 on April 08, 2008, 09:33:33 AM
there are some very fickle Tyrone supporters on here....a manager delivers 2 all-irelands yet people are calling for his head!
Who are these people?
Just went back 2 or 3 pages there and there's at least one "Harte needs to go" quote - even if it was followed by some nonsense.
I'd like to see Harte getting at least this championship and see how it goes. I'm fairly hopeful things will be better come June and with hopefully Dooher. B McGuigan and Mulligan back on the scene there might be a bit more optimism:
Packie
McGee
McCaul
Ricey
Davy
Gormley
Jordan
Cavanagh
McMahon
Dooher
B McGuigan
Mulgrew
McCullagh
Mulligan
T McGuigan
Hopeful I know with B McGuigan being fit but we can only hope - there's def been worse forward lines than that over the years!
Quote from: take_yer_points on April 08, 2008, 10:30:59 AM
Just went back 2 or 3 pages there and there's at least one "Harte needs to go" quote - even if it was followed by some nonsense.
Yes, there's one. Just one.
I think there's little or NO chance of Mickey ever being sacked but what a lot of people are questioning is he just being greedy now and staying there for selfish reasons cos he's a driven man or would it not be in the best interest for Tyrone to leave. I think he was hoping to get 3 AI's outta that team he built and was very disappointed last year when they didn't show for Meath. Some players though might be getting concerned that he will ask them to play thru the pain barrier continually just for him to be known as a GREAT manager and not just a good one.
Unlike years ago, players seem to need new stimulus and motivation and so as with the mighty Kerry who keep re-inventing themselves quite often, they often change their management and background team and so can keep churning out great players that seem to always have the hunger no matter how many AI medals they have.
Also, It just seems too much of a coincidence now the No of injuries that are picked up by Tyrone senior players, both in county games and in club games.
Obviously something is wrong somewhere and it can't be just put down to bad luck.
I think come July we wont be far off the pace again depending on returning players like Joe McMahon, McGuigan, Dooher and how well Mugsy plays this summer.
If we get Joey at FB, Justy at MF, Block at CHB, McGuigan at CHF and Mugsy FIT and in good form then we're back in with a good shout.
BUT YES I KNOW.
That's a lot of IFS.
I think in terms of hunger, the main difference in the kingdom and ourselves is that they
pride themselves on the fact that no one man is guaranteed his place in the starting 15
which creates hunger in and of its self, are there some old school lads just going through
the motions in Tyrone safe in the knowledge that they'll start regardless? :-\
so this is what Kerry won over 30 all Irelands and Tyrone 2.
OMG
In terms of keeping things fresh on the field, in training or just general attitude
for that matter to show even the slightest pride in the jersey........yes
Also the fact Kerry are guarenteed a QF spot every year helps a bit as well I'd say.
QuoteAlso the fact Kerry are guarenteed a QF spot every year helps a bit as well I'd say.
Well said!
Any word on Mulligan ? I heard he was getting specialist treatment i England for his hamstring problem ?
Quote from: ONeill on April 05, 2008, 11:39:47 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 05, 2008, 11:13:34 PM
Quote from: ONeill on April 05, 2008, 11:05:48 PM
What is going on?
There is NO HOPE without O'Neill
McMahon, Philly and Ricey did well.
Swift = crap
Harte had a tough time but Muldoon on form
Paddy B on form.
Forwards - Tommy counted.
Was he really that bad?
Yep, we're in the mire and, realistically, if anything's going to get Stevie back it's a desperate situation such as that which we're cheek by jowl with right now.
FoSB, put it like this. I've been in an enviable position in that every Tyrone game has passed through my hands as I'm doing a wee bit of tape/video work for an enemy!
However, you're nearly afraid to criticise these days. Swift/Quinn/McCullagh/Donnelly are not All-Ireland winning players.
If Tyrone reach the AI Semi Final this year without O'Neill, I'll lick Fearon's shoes. On him.
Bit of licking to be done.
Just reading through here again. Boys were calling for basically a new team after a league defeat in April and there was plenty of people looking to see the back of Harte. As I said at the time its about delivering in the championship. Harte and many of the team deserve a lot of credit.
some very interesting points looking back.
Interesting to remember all the hype surrounding Derry and how they beat Tyrone in a league game.
Remember Paddy Bradley doing kick ups up along the line to the annoyance of McMenamin and Gormley.
I remember thinking to myself - well Paddy we will see later in the summer if your doing kick ups at Croke Park.
Gormley and McMenamin have played in Croke Park in August and contributed to an amazing performance. They will play there in August again
and hopefully in mid September. Paddy will be watching on TV.
Nice to see no bitterness in Tyrone.
;)
Quote from: Doire abú on September 15, 2008, 06:59:48 PM
Nice to see no bitterness in Tyrone.
;)
He's right though :P
Win lose or draw on Sunday, we'll be waiting for youse in Maghera on a wet miserable day in January in the McKenna Cup!! 8)
They're so bitter they make Gregory Campbell seem like a reasonable chap....