These figures are net i.e. the totally money spent on buying players minus money received for selling players
Chelsea £342m
Liverpool £179m
Manure £160
Newcastle £142
Spurs £117m
Arsenal £57m
Bargains
Adebayor Arsenal £3m
Eboube Arsenal £1m
Flaminin Arsenal £1m
RVP Arsenal £2.75m
Clichy Arsenal £0.25m
Toure Arsenal £0.15m :o
Pettit Arsenal £2.5m
Anelka Arsenal £0.5m
Vieria Arsenal £3.5m
Tore-Andre Flo Chelsea £0.3m
Guillit Chelsea Free
Zola Chelsea £4.5m
Jari Litmanen Liverpool Free
Arbeloa Liverpool £2.6m
Cantona MU £1.2m
OGS MU £1.5m
Mikel Obi MU £4m
Solano NC £2.5m
Given NC £1.5m
Ginola NC £2.5m
Albert NC £2.6m
Lennon Spuds £1m
Carrick Spuds £2.75m
Ginola Spuds £2m
Terrible Value for Money
Reyes Arsenal £13m
Wright Arsenal £6m
Jeffers Arsenal £8m
Platt Arsenal £4.75m
Shevchenko Chelsea £30m
Mikel Obi Chelsea £16m
Wright-Philips Chelsea £21m
Ferreria Chelsea £13m
Parker Chelsea £10m
Veron Chelsea £15m
Mutu Chelsea £15m
Crespo Chelsea £17m
Hasselbaink Chelsea £15m
Sutton Chelsea £10m
Lucas Liverpool £8m
Kuyt Liverpool £9m
Bellamy Liverpool £8m
Gonzalez Liverpool £4.5m
Morientes Liverpool £6.3m
Cisse Liverpool £14m
Diouf Liverpool £11m
Kirkland Liverpool £6m
Collymore Liverpool £8.5m
Nani MU £13.5m
Hargreaves MU £17m
Carrick MU £14m
Smith MU £7m
Saha MU £13m
Ferdinand MU £30m
Veron MU £28m
Taibi MU £4.5m
Smith NC £6m
Luque NC £9.5m
Parker NC £8.5m
Boumsong NC £8m
Woodgate NC £9m
Viana NC £8m
Bellamy NC £6m
Cort NC £7m
Bent Spuds £16.5m
Postiga Spuds £6.25m
Richards Spuds £8m
Rebrov Spuds £8m
Wenger is has bought some mules but his bargain hunting is second to none......
QuoteLiverpool £179m
And there you have it. It gives lie to the fact that Liverpool don't/didn't have money to buy players, it's the players they are buying. Some of the duds they've bought would make you tear your hair out. Having said that I think it's a bit harsh to label Lucas as terrible value for money just yet. He's still only a young lad. Diouf and Cisse would be the two that jump out at me.
Lucas Liverpool £8m
Kuyt Liverpool £9m
Bellamy Liverpool £8m
Gonzalez Liverpool £4.5m
Morientes Liverpool £6.3m
Cisse Liverpool £14m
Diouf Liverpool £11m
Kirkland Liverpool £6m
Collymore Liverpool £8.5m
A certain Roy Keane at a mere £3.5m must surely go down as a great bit of business by United?
FFS, Toure is the bargain of all time, followed closely by Clichy.
QuoteA certain Roy Keane at a mere £3.5m must surely go down as a great bit of business by United?
I was going to include him Seanie but at £3.75m he was a record transfer so was trying to keep it in perspective somewhat but a fantastic buy none the less.
Is this your list Dinny? Or did you pull it from somewhere?
I take it the list of hits and misses just include the six teams mentioned at the top of the thread.
Surely Tim Cahill has to be included in the list of bargains.
£1.5m and averages 10 goals a season from midfield.
Cantona at £1.2M must be the best piece of business here. Was the catalyst for much of Uniteds success in the early to mid nineties and to be honest they haven't looked back since. He never really cut it in Europe for Utd but he was a steal from Leeds at the time and hard to believe they actually sold him for that price considering the influence he had on their '92 league winning side.
QuoteIs this your list Dinny? Or did you pull it from somewhere?
Ha! I have a life, I got the stats of a mate of mine in an email. PM your email and I'll send it on, I have an email address belonged to you but that might have changed.
GLF,
Yea sorry it only includes those 6 teams, Tim Cahill is a fantastic buy at that price.
Just after Keane and Shearer went the transfer market went crazy, Norwich were selling Sutton and decided to have an auction, Hence Blackburn payed 5million for him! That led to the beginning iof the madness.
Dinny why did you decide to look like a child by typing "manure"? Why not Murderes, Arseholes, chavski?
Grow up lad
Quotehard to believe they actually sold him for that price considering the influence he had on their '92 league winning side
Two words - Lesley Ash.
Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on January 15, 2008, 12:14:04 PM
Cantona at £1.2M must be the best piece of business here. Was the catalyst for much of Uniteds success in the early to mid nineties and to be honest they haven't looked back since. He never really cut it in Europe for Utd but he was a steal from Leeds at the time and hard to believe they actually sold him for that price considering the influence he had on their '92 league winning side.
His influence wouldnt have been helping due to the fact he was "allegedley" banging Lee Chapmans missus
BAD VALUE -Id disagree with the following. Depends on how you interpret value, the fee or what you got from them/potential
Wright-Philips Chelsea £21m - Having a storming season so far, now he is in the team.
Mutu Chelsea £15m - Was playing well, and would have continued before he got caught. I dont think his tranfer fee was bad value.
Nani MU £13.5m - Only a kid, cost the same as Ronaldo did, and haveing a very similar first season, and ar egular in Portugal Squads.
Hargreaves MU £17m - Bayern regular, euro cup winner , aggressive, fast and clever player, Utd have seen enouygh of him this season due to iinjury, his pedigree is in no doubt, how can he be judged on half a first season in the premiership.
Carrick MU £14m - Overpriced due to english market, regular for united last season in a championship winning side, numerous excellent performances again this season, most recently againt the Geordies.
Ferdinand MU £30m - overpriced, but a great talent even if he is a knob. Averaged out over his utd career, easily worth it.
More good value
Dennis Irwin 1.5 mil from Oldham
Steve Bruce £825,000 from Norwich
Gary Pallister £2.3 Mil from Boro
Quote from: Minder on January 15, 2008, 12:23:11 PM
Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on January 15, 2008, 12:14:04 PM
Cantona at £1.2M must be the best piece of business here. Was the catalyst for much of Uniteds success in the early to mid nineties and to be honest they haven't looked back since. He never really cut it in Europe for Utd but he was a steal from Leeds at the time and hard to believe they actually sold him for that price considering the influence he had on their '92 league winning side.
His influence wouldnt have been helping due to the fact he was "allegedley" banging Lee Chapmans missus
Must be why she developed the 'trout pout' after he departed :D
He was still a bargain though..........
Was Irwin pre-premiership?
Quote from: Minder on January 15, 2008, 12:23:11 PM
Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on January 15, 2008, 12:14:04 PM
Cantona at £1.2M must be the best piece of business here. Was the catalyst for much of Uniteds success in the early to mid nineties and to be honest they haven't looked back since. He never really cut it in Europe for Utd but he was a steal from Leeds at the time and hard to believe they actually sold him for that price considering the influence he had on their '92 league winning side.
His influence wouldnt have been helping due to the fact he was "allegedley" banging Lee Chapmans missus
Hes French , Hes Flash , Hes Shagging Lesly Ash, Cantona, Cantona!!
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 15, 2008, 12:31:25 PM
Was Irwin pre-premiership?
Irwin was 1990, but football didnt start in 1992 ... ;) :P
QuoteDinny why did you decide to look like a child by typing "manure"? Why not Murderes, Arseholes, chavski?
Grow up lad
An Fear Rua why do bother posting on this thread when all you see is red through those spectacles...
You don't spend £14m on potential, Nani is a flop and as for Hargreave what have his past achievements got do with anything, he has been a no value for money signing this year, as for Carrick don't make me laugh, no value at all. Ferdinand that 8 month suspension, real value for money, £30m compared to £7m for Vidic open your other eye would you...
And the fact that you think Wright-Philips who I might add is in his third season at Chelsea or do you discount those two years, is good value at £21m beggars belief, do you understand the meaning of value for money....
???
When Spurs bought Carrick for £2.75m that was a good buy £14m for the same player 1 year later is madness no matter how you dress it up...
QuoteHes French , Hes Flash , Hes Shagging Lesly Ash, Cantona, Cantona!!
And you tell me to grow up, hypocrite ;D
Quote from: Dinny Breen on January 15, 2008, 12:44:36 PM
QuoteDinny why did you decide to look like a child by typing "manure"? Why not Murderes, Arseholes, chavski?
Grow up lad
An Fear Rua why do bother posting on this thread when all you see is red through those spectacles...
You don't spend £14m on potential, Nani is a flop and as for Hargreave what have his past achievements got do with anything, he has been a no value for money signing this year, as for Carrick don't make me laugh, no value at all. Ferdinand that 8 month suspension, real value for money, £30m compared to £7m for Vidic open your other eye would you...
And the fact that you think Wright-Philips who I might add is in his third season at Chelsea or do you discount those two years, is good value at £21m beggars belief, do you understand the meaning of value for money....
???
When Spurs bought Carrick for £2.75m that was a good buy £14m for the same player 1 year later is madness no matter how you dress it up...
Have it your own way, you wont mind me referring to liverpool as murderes in the future then.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on January 15, 2008, 12:45:28 PM
QuoteHes French , Hes Flash , Hes Shagging Lesly Ash, Cantona, Cantona!!
And you tell me to grow up, hypocrite ;D
yes, grow up
I'm a Liverpool fan. I think it ended in 1992 :D
But this list is 'Premiership'
Quote from: Dinny Breen on January 15, 2008, 12:44:36 PM
QuoteDinny why did you decide to look like a child by typing "manure"? Why not Murderes, Arseholes, chavski?
Grow up lad
An Fear Rua why do bother posting on this thread when all you see is red through those spectacles...
You don't spend £14m on potential, Nani is a flop and as for Hargreave what have his past achievements got do with anything, he has been a no value for money signing this year, as for Carrick don't make me laugh, no value at all. Ferdinand that 8 month suspension, real value for money, £30m compared to £7m for Vidic open your other eye would you...
And the fact that you think Wright-Philips who I might add is in his third season at Chelsea or do you discount those two years, is good value at £21m beggars belief, do you understand the meaning of value for money....
???
When Spurs bought Carrick for £2.75m that was a good buy £14m for the same player 1 year later is madness no matter how you dress it up...
Ronaldo was obv a flop then as well?
Value for money not only measures the cost of goods and services, but also takes account of the mix of quality, cost, resource use, fitness for purpose, timeliness and convenience to judge whether or not, when taken together, they constitute good value.
Its not just about what it costs, its about what its worth....
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 15, 2008, 12:50:47 PM
I'm a Liverpool fan. I think it ended in 1992 :D
;D ;D ;D
theres too many think thats when it began.
Heres a link to a survey done by the english Times on the best transfers (prem and BC)
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/article2058123.ece (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/article2058123.ece)
Couple of points:
* Good shout re Tore Andre Flo- Loved the fella and scored some crucial goals.
* Carlo Cudicni was another good piece of business, at £100k or something.
* If I remember rightly Zola was in the £7m bracket, but you can't put a price on what he brought.
* AFAIK Chelsea have yet to pay a penny for Obi Mikel. An agent in Norway has been charged with fraud, and forging his signature and legally Chelsea have been told to pay nithing pending an outcome. That's the rumour.
* Mutu was quality then sniffed it away. Again Chelsea afaik are in a legal case where they are suing Mutu for the money back. I believe Chelsea never got the credit they deserved for sacking Mutu, from media, supporters etc.
* Alex on a free...surely another good piece of business?
* Hasselbaink at £15 was not terrible value considering what he scored.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on January 15, 2008, 11:39:24 AM
These figures are net i.e. the totally money spent on buying players minus money received for selling players
Chelsea £342m
Liverpool £179m
Manure £160
Newcastle £142
Spurs £117m
Arsenal £57m
Bargains
Adebayor Arsenal £3m
Eboube Arsenal £1m
Flaminin Arsenal £1m
RVP Arsenal £2.75m
Clichy Arsenal £0.25m
Toure Arsenal £0.15m :o
Pettit Arsenal £2.5m
Anelka Arsenal £0.5m
Vieria Arsenal £3.5m
Tore-Andre Flo Chelsea £0.3m
Guillit Chelsea Free
Zola Chelsea £4.5m
Jari Litmanen Liverpool Free
Arbeloa Liverpool £2.6m
Cantona MU £1.2m
OGS MU £1.5m
Mikel Obi MU £4m
Solano NC £2.5m
Given NC £1.5m
Ginola NC £2.5m
Albert NC £2.6m
Lennon Spuds £1m
Carrick Spuds £2.75m
Ginola Spuds £2m
Terrible Value for Money
Reyes Arsenal £13m
Wright Arsenal £6m
Jeffers Arsenal £8m
Platt Arsenal £4.75m
Shevchenko Chelsea £30m
Mikel Obi Chelsea £16m
Wright-Philips Chelsea £21m
Ferreria Chelsea £13m
Parker Chelsea £10m
Veron Chelsea £15m
Mutu Chelsea £15m
Crespo Chelsea £17m
Hasselbaink Chelsea £15m
Sutton Chelsea £10m
Lucas Liverpool £8m
Kuyt Liverpool £9m
Bellamy Liverpool £8m
Gonzalez Liverpool £4.5m
Morientes Liverpool £6.3m
Cisse Liverpool £14m
Diouf Liverpool £11m
Kirkland Liverpool £6m
Collymore Liverpool £8.5m
Nani MU £13.5m
Hargreaves MU £17m
Carrick MU £14m
Smith MU £7m
Saha MU £13m
Ferdinand MU £30m
Veron MU £28m
Taibi MU £4.5m
Smith NC £6m
Luque NC £9.5m
Parker NC £8.5m
Boumsong NC £8m
Woodgate NC £9m
Viana NC £8m
Bellamy NC £6m
Cort NC £7m
Bent Spuds £16.5m
Postiga Spuds £6.25m
Richards Spuds £8m
Rebrov Spuds £8m
Wenger is has bought some mules but his bargain hunting is second to none......
Lucas Liverpool £8m
Kuyt Liverpool £9m
Bellamy Liverpool £8m
Gonzalez Liverpool £4.5m
Morientes Liverpool £6.3m
Cisse Liverpool £14m
Diouf Liverpool £11m
Collymore Liverpool £8.5m
As for the Liverpool ones Lucas shouldn't be on that list. He's only a youngster who was bought for the future. Plus he's only played a couple of games so far and done quite well.
Bellamy if I remember correctly was bought for 6.5 not 8 and he was sold for 7.5. So they made a profit on him.
Morientes didn't settle but everyone thought it was a great buy at the time. He just couldn't adapt.
Collymore in his two seasons at Liverpool actually had a very decent 1 goal in every 2 games scoring record. He was a head the ball though.
The two really big wastes of money on that list are Cisse and Diouf.
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 15, 2008, 11:49:34 AM
A certain Roy Keane at a mere £3.5m must surely go down as a great bit of business by United?
Definitely, but at the time it was an enormous fee.
Morientes & Kuyt were/are 2 terrible buys
As for Veron - £43 million in total :-[
Quote from: An Fear Rua on January 15, 2008, 12:47:56 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on January 15, 2008, 12:44:36 PM
QuoteDinny why did you decide to look like a child by typing "manure"? Why not Murderes, Arseholes, chavski?
Grow up lad
An Fear Rua why do bother posting on this thread when all you see is red through those spectacles...
You don't spend £14m on potential, Nani is a flop and as for Hargreave what have his past achievements got do with anything, he has been a no value for money signing this year, as for Carrick don't make me laugh, no value at all. Ferdinand that 8 month suspension, real value for money, £30m compared to £7m for Vidic open your other eye would you...
And the fact that you think Wright-Philips who I might add is in his third season at Chelsea or do you discount those two years, is good value at £21m beggars belief, do you understand the meaning of value for money....
???
When Spurs bought Carrick for £2.75m that was a good buy £14m for the same player 1 year later is madness no matter how you dress it up...
Have it your own way, you wont mind me referring to liverpool as murderes in the future then.
OK, before this goes too far down the whole Heysel/Munich/Hillsborough road again, let's nip it in the bud. Manure is a childish term for United, no doubt, but it is not nasty like Scum to describe Manchester United, or anything related to Munich. Likewise references to Heysel and Hillsborough are generally used to anger, not slag, Liverpool fans. We had a bad bout of this before, hence the 1st post on this forum. So please, refrain from mentioning Munich, Heysel, Hillsborough or any other really tragic events or names designed to just p*ss people off like Scum. Of course banter and slagging is all part of it, and I have no real problems with phrases like ManUre, BinDippers, Chavski etc. If people feel strongly enough about these terms we can make them off limits, but there's always a level of slagging.
The soccer threads have been very well behaved recently, let's keep it like that.
Nani was not expected to become a super star in his first season, he is a good buy and as said is having a similar impact to Ronaldo in his 1st season. He has the potential to be great. As for Hargreaves, he is worth the money and will prove it. £30 million for Ferdinand is alot, but he has helped United develop the best defence in the premiership and one of the best in Europe.
What did Newcastle pay for Owen?
It should be in the Terrible waste list.
A crock.
Guillet on a free was great business not just for his football ability but the fact that it raised the profile of Chelsea and players like Zola etc followed.
Wenger is the master when it comes to picking up the gems no question.
QuoteAs for Hargreaves, he is worth the money and will prove it
17m for a water carrier. you having a laugh.
The fact that he was Englands best player at the 2006 WC meant he was overvalued by 10m
Munich couldnt believe their luck.. he was about to be benched
QuoteNani was not expected to become a super star in his first season, he is a good buy and as said is having a similar impact to Ronaldo in his 1st season
FFS Nani is 21 and an international, he is only a year younger than Ronaldo. He has been a bad signing period Anderson on the other hand has been a great buy. As for Hargreaves, 5 appearances yea tremendous value ::)
Chelsea deserve credit for sacking Mutu, in fairness they could afford to do it but he was looking like a great buy until his social life got in the way. I missed Cudicinci, he was actually a free transfer, great business that was...I don't think JFH was worth £15m but his record wasn't bad...Not sure about Alex yet, I'll give him time though....
Manchester United bought Peter Schemical in 1991 for £530,000... :o
A deal Fergie claims was the deal of the century!
That Touré deal is truely remarkable - deal of this century perhaps!
Quote from: Dinny Breen on January 15, 2008, 01:36:43 PM
QuoteNani was not expected to become a super star in his first season, he is a good buy and as said is having a similar impact to Ronaldo in his 1st season
FFS Nani is 21 and an international, he is only a year younger than Ronaldo. He has been a bad signing period Anderson on the other hand has been a great buy. As for Hargreaves, 5 appearances yea tremendous value ::)
Chelsea deserve credit for sacking Mutu, in fairness they could afford to do it but he was looking like a great buy until his social life got in the way. I missed Cudicinci, he was actually a free transfer, great business that was...I don't think JFH was worth £15m but his record wasn't bad...Not sure about Alex yet, I'll give him time though....
::)
FFS Dinny
Give Alex a bit of time, but make sure you dont give Nani any
QuoteFFS Dinny
Give Alex a bit of time, but make sure you dont give Nani any
Was Alex brought in on a free, hence he could be a bargain but never could he be considered not value for money.....Nani is just pants, can't understand how people to think he offers value for money.....
I dont reckon Hasselbank to Chelsea was bad business, he must have been banging in 20 league goals a season for them. I dont have the stats but it must be close enough to that.
Thats impressive going at any rate.
I'm in the stats business today 70 goals in 136 appearances, might have to re-evaluate the Dutchman.........might be my dislike for O'Leary's Leeds that is clouding my judgement....
Quote from: Dinny Breen on January 15, 2008, 03:30:22 PM
Nani is just pants, can't understand how people to think he offers value for money.....
How you can say this before he has even had a full season is beyond me
QuoteGuillet on a free was great business not just for his football ability but the fact that it raised the profile of Chelsea and players like Zola etc followed.
Fair point. Hoddle's appointment in 94 actually started a cultural change at Chelsea, which Gullit, Luca, and Ranieri cotinued in their own style. People tend to forget that pre Roman (FA in 97, ECWC, LC and super Cup in 98, FA in 2000) Chelsea did actually win trophies and get to Europe!
For the record...
Jimmy Floyd 119 full league starts....70 goals. 18 goals from 39 games in the cups! It's actually better than I remembered!
Dinny beat me to it with JFH's stats! I never added on the sub appearances. Probably the blue tinters that's making me do that :-)
QuoteAdebayor Arsenal £3m
Just checking there..
Adebayor was £7million
Always likes Jimmy although I always thought he was a crazy looking bastard.
Not the sort of character you would like to run into down a dark alley.
Banged in a goal at the weekend against my favourite team also >:(
Quote from: his holiness nb on January 15, 2008, 03:48:21 PM
Always likes Jimmy although I always thought he was a crazy looking bastard.
Not the sort of character you would like to run into down a dark alley.
Banged in a goal at the weekend against my favourite team also >:(
Sheffield Wednesday fan?
QuoteJust checking there..
Adebayor was £7million
Evidence, Arsenal rarely disclose fees but Wiki (I know I know) has it as £3m, even £7m is remarkable.....
Full Back give up on Nani, the lad is brutal, what has he done to justify £14m....15 appearances and a poxy 2 goals.........
Quote from: full back on January 15, 2008, 03:34:51 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on January 15, 2008, 03:30:22 PM
Nani is just pants, can't understand how people to think he offers value for money.....
How you can say this before he has even had a full season is beyond me
have to agree there.. he has scored a couple of screamers. pre season and since the start.ok sir alex hasn't played him that much but he did the same with ronaldo in his first season and look at him now. I think Sir Alex is training him up and trying to have him ready for when giggs is ready to hang the boots up.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3Nzas0hjUc&feature=related
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=KccBSCxn3Eg&feature=related
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=umESCYSJ8qA&feature=related
many many more for porto though
As for Hargreeves i'm very disappointed with his start and i can see the argument for not being value for money but i will definately give him more time before i judge him and hopefully we'll get a good run out of him injury free.... think him and anderson would be a great midfield pairing especially if Sir Alex gives anderson a free roll to attack and hargreeves to sit back. seen some clips of anderson before united and he really could take boys on and has a sweet left foot (absolutely no right foot though ::) )
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 15, 2008, 03:50:17 PM
Quote from: his holiness nb on January 15, 2008, 03:48:21 PM
Always likes Jimmy although I always thought he was a crazy looking bastard.
Not the sort of character you would like to run into down a dark alley.
Banged in a goal at the weekend against my favourite team also >:(
Sheffield Wednesday fan?
Wouldnt call myself a fan to be honest, but they are my favourite soccer side.
Probably couldnt name 3 players at this stage but always look out for the results. Great memories from the early 90's though.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on January 15, 2008, 03:52:47 PM
QuoteJust checking there..
Adebayor was £7million
Evidence, Arsenal rarely disclose fees but Wiki (I know I know) has it as £3m, even £7m is remarkable.....
Full Back give up on Nani, the lad is brutal, what has he done to justify £14m....15 appearances and a poxy 2 goals.........
a lot as substitutes
Quote from: Leg End on January 15, 2008, 03:54:50 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on January 15, 2008, 03:52:47 PM
QuoteJust checking there..
Adebayor was £7million
Evidence, Arsenal rarely disclose fees but Wiki (I know I know) has it as £3m, even £7m is remarkable.....
Full Back give up on Nani, the lad is brutal, what has he done to justify £14m....15 appearances and a poxy 2 goals.........
a lot as substitutes
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/shared/bsp/hi/football/statistics/players/n/nani_324066.stm
23 appearances of United this season - 8 as substitute - meaning he's started about 2/3 of those games
Jees Fergie has made some massive blunders in his time.
Platt was good value in 97/98 in terms of his experience. His goal v Utd set the ball rolling. I think he scored 30-odd goals as well in his time at Arse.
13 in 88 games
Sorry, don't know what came over me there.
I suppose when you compare it to Parlour's, Petit's or Vieira's goalscoring record it wasn't the worst.
Parlour - 22 in 339
Vieira - 29 in 279
Petit - 11 in 85
have kleberson (mu) marcelino (nu) or glen johnson (C) been mentioned yet?
wat about eric djemba djemba
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 15, 2008, 11:49:34 AM
A certain Roy Keane at a mere £3.5m must surely go down as a great bit of business by United?
A certain £30 million spent by said Roy Keane in half a seson goes down full stop.
OK - Sunderland overpaid for their goalie but he's not a turkey. I think he'll prove to be a good buy long term. He's young and quite a good keeper. If they'd paid say £6-7m for him then it would be a good deal. I wouldn't be entirely sure Roy could be totally blamed for the price though maybe you know better.
The next highest priced player bought last summer was Richardson who has played only a handful of games due to injury and has scored 3 goals. Again, I think he will prove a good buy. When playing regularly (as he did when on loan in a similar situation with WBA a couple of years ago) he is quite a decent player and actually made the England squad back then scoring on his debut. At £5.5m I'd say a bargain. Not Keane's fault the lad got injured. That's almost half the "wasted" £30m accounted for. There have been one or two duds alright abd a few journeymen given chances to resurrect their careers that they may not be capable of taking.
On Nani - I think Dinny is a bit harsh. I do not think he will turn out to be another Ronaldo but I can see him being quite a good player in time to come. I'd say "too early to judge".
Quote from: Leg End on January 15, 2008, 05:04:05 PM
wat about eric djemba djemba
'Djemba, Djemba so good they named him twice' was the chant!
From a Villa point of view I think ours has to be Bosko Balaban, John Gregory shelled out £6.5m and he didn't even score a goal for us!!
At the other end of the spectrum, getting the legend that is Paul McGrath for £400k was great business by Graham Taylor, in my eyes the best player to have ever wore the Claret and Blue.
What about the Danish centre half who Everton bought that couldn't head the ball, Koldrup?
QuoteEvidence, Arsenal rarely disclose fees but Wiki (I know I know) has it as £3m, even £7m is remarkable.....
Well if Arsenal never disclose fees...what's the point of this thread?? For the record soccerbase.com has it at 7mill.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on January 15, 2008, 08:20:15 PM
QuoteEvidence, Arsenal rarely disclose fees but Wiki (I know I know) has it as £3m, even £7m is remarkable.....
Well if Arsenal never disclose fees...what's the point of this thread?? For the record soccerbase.com has it at 7mill.
Mmmmm
How much did Liverpool spend on Phil Babb? He's bound to be one of the worst signings.
Everton's signing of Cahill from Millwall is bound to be up there as one of the best signings too. £2 million.
I would put the signing of Luque to Newcastle possibly the biggest waste of money ever although looking through the list Veron didn't do much for 15 mill.
I know it's not premiership but the greatest value for money signing ever, whether you would be a celt or a ger you should agree, would be the great Henrik Larsson. Mind you Brian Laudrup would have been a good one for Rangers too.
Babb was about £3.5mill, him and John Scales came at the same time. Greatest all time signing for me has to be William Prunier & Kezman deserves a mention if he hasnt been already.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on January 15, 2008, 11:39:24 AM
These figures are net i.e. the totally money spent on buying players minus money received for selling players
Chelsea £342m
Liverpool £179m
Manure £160
Newcastle £142
Spurs £117m
Arsenal £57m
Terrible Value for Money
Lucas Liverpool £8m
Lucas a waste of money ??? I think thats very harsh why would he be a waste of money? Hes a young player that has showed plenty of promise when he has come on as a sub
The worrying thing about the above stats is the amount of money Liverpool have spent and are still no nearer to winning the Premiership :(
One of Liverpool's best buys has been Sami Hyppia, under a million I think?
Quote from: corn02 on January 15, 2008, 10:21:37 PM
One of Liverpool's best buys has been Sami Hyppia, under a million I think?
Was thinking that earlier but he has been there a season or two too long now.
I would expect Sami was thinking he would get a pitchside view of this season, injuries have thrown him back in the deep end, maybe a season too far. Apart from the derby he has been excellent though.
A lot of these figures have to be taken with a pinch of salt. Between undisclosed figures, clauses that never get fulfilled, signing on fees that are either included or ignored, there could be a fairly large swing in some of those numbers.
Anyway, Arsenal's excellent (comparative) balance surely owes as much to the sale of 3-4 key individuals (Anelka, Overmars, Henry & Cole ) at key times as any policy for buying youth. It'll be interesting to see if the move to the Emirates will affect this policy in coming years.
To add to this list above (as I haven't seen him mentioned yet) I'd say the signing of William Gallas, one of the most versatile and consistent defenders in the world, for relatively nothing was twice a brilliant bit of business.
How much did Taibi cost?
Typically, he had his one and only decent game for United at Anfield the day Carragher scored the pair of o.g.s in a 3-2 loss! >:( :P
QuoteWell if Arsenal never disclose fees...what's the point of this thread?? For the record soccerbase.com has it at 7mill.
Eh who said never and it's only really become a recent phenomenon in the last 2/3 years. Anyhow, it's amazing how people get worked up over stats...and for the record these two following sites have it as 3m not including Wiki
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/6679813.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/6679813.stm)
http://gunnerblog.com/?p=648 (http://gunnerblog.com/?p=648)
And lads time will tell on Nani and Lucas but at the moment they look like terrible value for money and maybe I was harsh on Lucas but there is no way in hell is Nani a Ronaldo never mind a Ryan Giggs..
Gallas has been tremendous for Arsenal but I liked Cole and hated to see him leave even though is my want he is now offically a greedy little sh*t....
I know it was on a free Transfer but what ever Liverpool paid on the phone calls and the paper and ink it took to sign Andriy Voronin it was way too much..
QuoteEh who said never and it's only really become a recent phenomenon in the last 2/3 years. Anyhow, it's amazing how people get worked up over stats...and for the record these two following sites have it as 3m not including Wiki
Never/ rarely whatever. Read what you'd said quickly and misquoted...apologies!
Shevchenko Chelsea £30m
Parker Chelsea £10m
Veron Chelsea £15m
Mutu Chelsea £15m
Crespo Chelsea £17m
Sutton Chelsea £10m
You can say what you like about certain players being a waste of money but Chelsea quite simply wasted 97 million - more than most clubs would even be able to spend - on the above players.
There are other over inflated prices for other players like Ferreira, Mikel and Wright-Phillips but at least they're playing. The players I've listed have been useless.
Out of interest how much did Sidwell cost? It always struck me he'd be just like Scott Parker when he signed for them and sure enough that has panned out. He should go on loan in the transfer window if possible.
Is Sergie Rebrov on that list? Ten million I think.
QuoteGreatest all time signing for me has to be William Prunier & Kezman deserves a mention if he hasnt been already.
Prunier was only on trial/loan, recommended by Eric.
Sidwell came on a free did he not?
I love all the posts on Nani. He has shown glimpses of his talent, and he has the raw talent that Ronaldo had when he first arrrived. I'm sure Fergie is simply nurturing him for next season. It takes time for players to settle in the premiership, especially young players of similar style to Nani. His goal against Spurs and his other one against Boro were amazing.
As for biggest waste of money, you can't look much further than the likes of Shevchenko and SWP, combined total of £55 odd million and a paltry return in the form of goals, assists and overall contribution. Veron is another one, along with Rebrov and Cisse. Harry Kewell must be up there too. His medical costs alone would probably cost a fortune.
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 15, 2008, 05:18:49 PM
OK - Sunderland overpaid for their goalie but he's not a turkey. I think he'll prove to be a good buy long term. He's young and quite a good keeper. If they'd paid say £6-7m for him then it would be a good deal. I wouldn't be entirely sure Roy could be totally blamed for the price though maybe you know better.
The next highest priced player bought last summer was Richardson who has played only a handful of games due to injury and has scored 3 goals. Again, I think he will prove a good buy. When playing regularly (as he did when on loan in a similar situation with WBA a couple of years ago) he is quite a decent player and actually made the England squad back then scoring on his debut. At £5.5m I'd say a bargain. Not Keane's fault the lad got injured. That's almost half the "wasted" £30m accounted for. There have been one or two duds alright abd a few journeymen given chances to resurrect their careers that they may not be capable of taking.
On Nani - I think Dinny is a bit harsh. I do not think he will turn out to be another Ronaldo but I can see him being quite a good player in time to come. I'd say "too early to judge".
kenwne(sp) jones was keanes most expensive signing until the goalie as far as i know. think he paid 6m for him. in my opinion money well spent. i think he is one of the best forwards in the league. would love to see him play in a good team. imagine someone like beckham providing the crosses for him?
Not in the English premiership but do ye remember Real Betis breaking the world transfer record for striker Denilson who got either none or one goal that season.
Quote from: his holiness nb on January 16, 2008, 10:29:32 AM
Not in the English premiership but do ye remember Real Betis breaking the world transfer record for striker Denilson who got either none or one goal that season.
He now plays for the Dallas team in the MLS, managed by Norn Irons own Steve Morrow (of broken shoulder fame)
Quote from: Minder on January 16, 2008, 10:42:11 AM
Quote from: his holiness nb on January 16, 2008, 10:29:32 AM
Not in the English premiership but do ye remember Real Betis breaking the world transfer record for striker Denilson who got either none or one goal that season.
He now plays for the Dallas team in the MLS, managed by Norn Irons own Steve Morrow (of broken shoulder fame)
Remember the shoulder thing well, the Owls are my favourite team.
Quote from: his holiness nb on January 16, 2008, 10:57:35 AM
Quote from: Minder on January 16, 2008, 10:42:11 AM
Quote from: his holiness nb on January 16, 2008, 10:29:32 AM
Not in the English premiership but do ye remember Real Betis breaking the world transfer record for striker Denilson who got either none or one goal that season.
He now plays for the Dallas team in the MLS, managed by Norn Irons own Steve Morrow (of broken shoulder fame)
Remember the shoulder thing well, the Owls are my favourite team.
he fell of a donkey
Quote from: An Fear Rua on January 15, 2008, 12:29:38 PM
More good value
Dennis Irwin 1.5 mil from Oldham
Steve Bruce £825,000 from Norwich
Gary Pallister £2.3 Mil from Boro
I think someone mentioned this but you have to put the money paid in the context of the time. I started following soccer around the 92/93 season and Pallister still held the record British fee for a defender and he had been bought a few years previous, which at the time was a British record for any position I think. After the ridiculous inflation in transfer fees in the following seasons it looks like more of a value signing than it actually was.
Quote from: Rav67 on January 16, 2008, 11:22:46 PM
Quote from: An Fear Rua on January 15, 2008, 12:29:38 PM
More good value
Dennis Irwin 1.5 mil from Oldham
Steve Bruce £825,000 from Norwich
Gary Pallister £2.3 Mil from Boro
I think someone mentioned this but you have to put the money paid in the context of the time. I started following soccer around the 92/93 season and Pallister still held the record British fee for a defender and he had been bought a few years previous, which at the time was a British record for any position I think. After the ridiculous inflation in transfer fees in the following seasons it looks like more of a value signing than it actually was.
A year or two before that, Liverpool had got Peter Beardsley and John Barnes for about the same total fee that United paid for Pallister.
I think denilson got 1 goal in his first 4 seasons at betts and anelka only 1 possibly 2 goals for real Madrid
I agree that Hyypia was a bargain, although he is past it now in my opinion. His replacement (Agger) bought for about £5/£6M also looks like a good bit of business in terms of todays market prices. Marcus Babbel for Liverpool i think on a free transfer, excellent signing, unfortunatley his illness cut short his anfield career.
Other good signing that spring to mind are
Arteta - Sociedad to Everton - £2M
Cahill (already mentioned)
Friedel (Liverpool - Blackburn - FREE)
Henry (Juve-Arsenal - £10/£11M i think)
Berbatov ( - Spurs), _£10M odd.
David James (Man City - Portsmouth - £1.5m ish i think)