well well well ... here we go. can we win this one?
Hope so, it will be a tough ask though. An honourable defeat perhaps the outcome.
Yeoooooow!
;D
come on Monaghan, cause a few relationship difficulties for Kerry Mike!
monaghan have a real chance in this one! the 6 week break will do kerry no favours at all. the farney men will be sharper - trust me.
memories of '85 come flooding back.. bet ya twinkle toes, nudie and the boys would love a revenge act here.. tell ya what, kerry havent kicked a ball since the munster final so i reckon they will be off the pace. rem last year kerry came through the qualifers and beat a slugish armagh team who had a long wait since winning the ulster final.. monaghan can win this if they keep the heads... we ran tyrone close and id say tyrone are better than kerry...
Intriguing tie, Monaghan are in serious form at the minute and have nothing to lose here.
They've always got a chance with Tommy Freeman, almost unmarkable
this is on sunday 12 august.. stand alone game. is ths right?
No, hurling semi between Limerick and WD/CK on after. Ye're the warm-up act.
so monaghan fans all alone in croker... munster counties will support kerry (if the hurling fans give a shit that is)
no need to change the team around much.. leave corey up front and start hanners..
C'mon Monaghan!
what? no post from kerrymike.... must be out rolling round the garden with the oriel lady..lol
Kerry to win this game, but I feel that Monaghan are going to run them close. I just hope...... hope they can pull it off and beat Kerry. No offense KerryMike ;)
Kerry will be mad hot favourites and the Press will give us no chance - but that's the way we like it. Remember 1985? Remember "Come off it Frank, Kerry will murder Monagahan" - an article written by Raymond Smith in the Indo after Frank King the Kerry County Board Chairman said that Monaghan would be tough to beat.
We now have two weeks to focus on Kerry. It will be more difficult.
But Monaghan have bucket-loads of spirit and self-belief as well as talent. With a little bit of luck and a kind bounce of the ball we might just scrape home on August 12th.
Plus, just think of the atmosphere, noise and colour we're going to bring to Croker. I'd imagine that a proportion of Kerry 'fans' will decide to 'wait at home for the semi-final'. Oh how great to deny them a visit to HQ in 2007!
Monaghan have absolutely nothing to lose and on the basis of last night are well capable of taking on anyone.
Monaghan will give Kerry everything they want, and more (and had Monaghan taken all their (easy) chances last night, especially in the first half, they'd have been out of Donegal's sight even sooner). The six week break from Kerry's last competitive game is a real and dangerous disadvantage for them -- was surprised that the Munster Council had fixed the Munster Final for when they did, knowing how long the winners would be sitting idle until their next game.
Fair dues to Pete McGrath for a reasonable analysis of Monaghan's progress through this year's campaign. He said that we had improved every game and that we will give Kerry a good test.
Contrast that with the comments of Tommy Lyons, Anthony Tohil and Jarleth Burns. They seem to pander to teh populist belief and plump for the big-name team as a matter of course without considering the changing nature of things and progression in form. When Monaghan beat Derry we were told that Derry were rubbish. Then Lyons and Tohil told us that Donegal had too much for us.
Are these guys not supposed to be 'experts'?
I believe that it is very reasoable to suggest that Monaghan will fight like hell to win the Kerry game and are likely to be there or there abouts at the final whistle - just like we were against Tyrone.
I predict that Tohil/Lyons will not stick their neck out to make such a suggestion. Bernard Flynn on the other hand has been acknowledging Monaghan's potential from early on.
The draw has finally been made and the path is laid for everyone at long last. Monaghan will be tough, we have no illusions on that one. League game last year was only won deep into injury time with a disputed point. My initial reaction is it will come down to how Tom and Marc do on Corey and Freeman. If the lads can keep them quite we are in with a right shout. Midfield should be interesting as well. Was out at a family function last night and got a surprise with the Monaghan result, especially the margin, had expected Donegal to win. The 6 week break will test us too, no one call tell what effect that will have. Can't wait for the game as it feels we haven't played since last year. Monaghan fans should have no fear about the other Munster counties supporting Kerry, no fear of that happening, especially if Cork advance, it will be 31 counties against 1.
Ah we were robbed in the league in Scotstown last year alright - it should have been a draw! Now we'll be avenging both this and 1985!
As for the pundits, i have to say that Benny Tierney (ex-Armagh keeper) has been backing Monaghan all the way through this year. He's easily one of the best columnists around - funny as hell also.
Lennon v O'Shea will be one hell of a battle!
As for tickets - is this likely to be a sellout now with the Hurling as well? I'd imagine Monaghan bringing at least 15,000. Limerick are bound to bring a big crowd too. I suppose Cork and Waterford won't be able to buy tickets for another week yet.
What time is throw in on the 12 ? Well Monaghan fans need not worry about the other Munster counties supporting Kerry -not going to happen . I heard Pete McGrath on RTE he said that alot of the scores last night came through Vincent Cross the Full forward . Given the way kerry scrope over the line in Killarney and how Cork looked against louth I expect monaghan to do it unless there is a big improvement
Shouldnt be too far away from a sellout. Kerry mightnt bring a huge support but the other 3 should. Would love to see Monaghan win this and think they have a shout. First 15-20 minutes will be crucial though and if Monaghan start like they did against Tyrone the game will be over. If Kerry have a weakness its when teams get in there faces and hit them physically and Ive no doubt Monaghan will be good in this area. They seemed physically stronger than Tyrone. Big decision to make about were to play Corey. Has anyone else a hope of coping with the high ball to Donaghy?
D Mone on Donaghy? he's done the job on every danger man so far.
Was just thinking, if it ends up with JP Mone on Galvin, what's the odds on both lasting the 70 minutes?!
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 29, 2007, 09:46:29 PM
Was just thinking, if it ends up with JP Mone on Galvin, what's the odds on both lasting the 70 minutes?!
I'll give you 10000-1 ;)
the six week layoff is a big drawback tho there were a few county championship games played the last few weeks in kerry so that should keep the lads sharp. didnt want to get monaghan to be honest, thought they looked good against tyrone and if they had a place kicker they'd be ulster champs. they have plenty spine in the team so it will be a close run thing. think kerrys greater experience will do it in the end tho wouldnt put too much money on that...
poor old km will the wife kill him?
Quote from: SuperDooperCooper on July 29, 2007, 08:53:30 PM
Was out at a family function last night
was that seamus moynihans wedding by any chance! he tied the knot yesterday so all the best to him...
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 29, 2007, 09:47:55 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 29, 2007, 09:46:29 PM
Was just thinking, if it ends up with JP Mone on Galvin, what's the odds on both lasting the 70 minutes?!
I'll give you 10000-1 ;)
Would this match up not be for the faint hearted ?
If Monaghan go out and give it a real lash, this is a very winnable tie, go for it lads you have nothing to lose
Bring it on!!!!!!!!!
Was talking to a few lads in Mcginns in Killclogher after the game the other night and broadly speaking everyone , Monaghan and Tyrone heads , said that Kerry were the team to get.
They have had thier now customary 6-7 week lay off, played a Cork team that were ran v close by Louth , played a waterford team that would , with the greatest respect to Waterford, be beaten by a well revved up club team from the higher reaches.
I said before the Tyrone game that to me the measure of this Monaghan team would be how they coped if they fell behind by 3 - 4 , would they have the "moral courage" to use a dunphyism , to work hard and get back in there? They did and did it twice.
To have any hope against the kingdom they must not worry about the opposition and concentrate on thier own game, no sluggish starts , not rise to the inevitable verbals that the kerry lads will no doubt employ.
If they could also give galvin a few hefty slaps as well that would be great ;D ;D ;)
Monaghan have a seriously good chance of wining this one. The bookies odds are very tempting.
think monaghan's abrasive play will cause huge problems for Kerry.
This could be an upset. Would love to see monaghan win it.
would love even more a repeat of this years earlier ulster championship tie - of Derry v Monaghan in the AI semi final !
I'll excommunicated from the Brotherhood of Cavan for saying this, but go on the Farney!
The Mushroom pickers have a better than 50/50 chance here. They've been a serious team all year and Corey at full-forward will cause alot of problems for Kerry especially now that McCarthy's gone. Their bullishness and unquenchable spirit will carry them a long way as well, as evidenced by their refusal to push the panic button against Tyrone. There'll be no over-awed Ulster footballing tourists lining up for Kerry in a week's time, put it that way. Fitness levels superb also, plus they've been playing regulalrly and looking slicker with every passing round.
On the minus side, Kerry are still Kerry and have the know how and while it's nice logic to say they struggled against Cork, Cork struggled against Louth, ergo Kerry aren't great, it's a dangerous line of thought in my book. Cork rattled Kerry alright but they came through when it mattered, even if Cork took their eye off the ball against Louth a bit. Cork will have a big say in the All-Ireland this year before it's out I reckon. This and Meath v Tyrone are potentially great occasions.
We're supposed to be fierce rivals but true gaels in Cavan can have nothing but admiration for the way Monaghan have gone about their business in the last few years and dragged themselves up by the bootlaces.
I thought Monaghan were excellent on Suturday but it will take a lot more than huff and puff to beat Kerry ( no disrespect to Monaghan ).
While I was passing through Castleblayney yesterday afternoon after a feed of spuds in Hope Castle I saw a Kerry jersey in a pub/off license window. "The Mighty men of Monaghan" was on the radio so it was a pure omen we would meet in the draw. Later yesterday evening before watching the draw on TV with the outlaws I just knew it would be Monaghan out in the draw, and so the craic has started for KM, it will make a long two weeks of slagging, Jaysus there was even a Monaghan flag flying from the car on the way home last night.
I have seen Monaghan a good few times over the last few years and I have seen serious improvements in their games and not trying to plamás the locals too much but I have been saying to them that there was a great future in that team, which most of them pass off as cute Kerry hoorism.
Losing the Ulster final while painful at the time may be a blessing in disguise for them, if they had won they would have gone on the rip for 2 weeks and may have been contented that enough progress for 2007 had been made but now McEneaney has got a seriously focused team to play with a much greater prize at stake.
I think they will cause huge problems for us on the 12th. They are fit and intense and will not allow us to settle. Corey if he plays at full forward, and after his performances in the last 2 games, McEneaney will have to play him there, and he will cause the Kerry full back line all sorts of problems. Against Tyrone Corey was isolated on the edge of the square for long times but on Sat Tommy Freeman played much closer to him and it worked well. They will drag their half forwards out to crowd midfield and here Woods and Finlay will do a lot of damage when they get time on the ball, they play a lot of fast intelligent ball into the full forward line. Their half back will harry and harass anyone on the ball.
Doubts still exist over their free taking ability and shot options at times, they had 8 wides in the first half on Saturday, I think 12 in total and though it did not matter to the end result these misses will be vital in closer games like the Ulster final when they possibly let the title slip away.
I am not totally convinced about their full back line and feel it is an area for exploitation, Though Flanagan did well on McFadden on Sat there was very poor and limited supply into the Donegal inside line, but this says much about the Monahan midfield dominance but will they get the same latitude against Darragh O'Se and 6"7' Mike Quirke (if he plays!!!). The Mones and McQuaid are fine tight footballers but the open spaces of Croker might stretch them.
In Midfield Eoin Lennon is a bruising workhorse and will win his share of ball and brings a lot to Monaghan's game, however if they let Kerry get a few points up early in the game they will be chasing it like the Tyrone game and it was just too much for them. But it is an intriguing battle ahead, already the TV pundits last night and the papers today say it will be Kerry which is exactly what Monaghan's team and management will want to hear, but rest assured there is at least one Kerryman who will not fall for that hype and is expecting what should be a fast moving game on the 12th.
As for our well being it will be hard to know how the 6 week lay off will effect things, recent County Championship games have seen excellent performances from the likes of Declan O'Sullivan and Bryan Sheehan for South Kerry, while Paul Galvin was flying for Feale Rangers and Sean O'Sullivan for Mid Kerry and Declan Quill and Mike Quirke for Kerins O'Rahillys. As far as I know there are no injuries worries in the Kerry camp which means the panel can get on with bating the shite of each other for the next 2 weeks, and that can be more intense than any challenge games, just hope the intensity is there to get out on Croker and into the game early and get some scores up.
The game with Cork seems like ages ago now and was our only serious outing since the league and Monaghan with 4 "Ulster" games under their belt should come into the game more battle hardened, whether that is a plus or a minus we will see on the 12th. Assuming there are no injuries in the next 2 weeks I cant see any changes to the Kerry backs, Diarmuid Murphy will be between the sticks with a full back line of Marc O'Se, Tom O' Sullivan and Padraig Reidy. Murphy will need to hit his man more from kickouts as the big Cork midfielders won plenty a few weeks ago, but I have no fear of him he is a fine keeper and controls his backline well.
I would expect Marc on Tommy Freeman and if the Ghaeltacht man can breakeven with Freeman we will be a long way to winning that game, O'Se is fast and he sticks to his man well without giving away too many frees and is good in his defending so it could be one of the key battles. Tom O'Sullivan is still growing into the famed Kerry number 3 jersey and even though he did well against the man giant that was Mike Cussen in the Munster final, the Rebel man came out on top scoring a couple of good points. Corey will be a different type of player, though not very tall he is still very good in the air and will use his strength well to win and offload the ball, and as has been seen he has great pace too, O'Sullivan is no slouch in the speed stakes and is tough and will defend well, there are just a few questions about his temperament still to be addressed, another key battle.
Reidy will probably float depending on how Monaghan line up, you could have any number of players, from Finlay, Woods, Hanratty, Gollogly, Smith or even Damien Freeman named in the other corner, but we wont for a minute believe the 15 named to the 15 that will start, McEneaney has shown in the last few games he will make last minutes changes to his lineups and I am sure he will not make it easy for Pat O'Shea to guess his tactics. So we will just have to deal with what is thrown at us on the day.
Our Half backs will be no surprise with Tomas O'Se, Aidan O'Mahony and Killian Young lining up, I'd expect O'Mahony to hopefully pick up Woods and this could be a hotly contested affair with Woods not afraid to get stuck in and Aidan will not yield from that Challenge. Another key battle.
With the big holes that Monaghan like to leave in front of their 2 man full forward line Kerry may plug this with maybe Killian Young or Tomas O'Se. Our lack of cover in the backs on the subs bench was a serious concern in the Cork game and with the exception of Mossy Lyons, Daniel Bohane and Ronan O'Flaherty we are very exposed, we will just hope that all 6 play well and are not injured or yellow carded early in the game.
At Midfield for us will be a certain young lad called D. O'Se, and possibly A.N. Other. Darragh again is the engine of the Kerry team, and how he consistently keeps performing at such a high level for so long is testament to his hunger and drive for Kerry football. His battle with Clerkin and Lennon will have a huge bearing on the outcome, if Darragh plays well we play well. The selection of his partner too will have a big bearing on the game. Micháel Quirke is the man in the jersey at the moment and has done well in his two championship outings, his fielding is top class and at 6 foot 7 will test any player, with his basketball skills he has quick hands to either catch or flick the ball to an open colleague, but its his kicking distribution that can let him down at times and he had some lazy tackling against Cork that gave them some easy frees, he seemed to run out of steam in that second half but he is supposed to be really working hard in training and it maybe no surprise if he starts in the centre, given the dominance Monaghan have shown there in the second half against Tyrone and also against Donegal last weekend, we will need good primary ball winners. The other options here will be Tommy Griffin who is coming back to form from recent injury and maybe even Bryan Sheehan or Eoin Brosnan or Seamus Scanlon but cant really see any of those 3 starting in the middle. Griffin will distribute better and is better around the field for the dirty ball, I have this feeling that when Griffin played well last year Donaghy played well off his distribution.
I expect possibly one change in the half forward line with Paul Galvin on one wing and Declan O'Sullivan either in the centre or on the opposite wing with An Fear Eile being decided between Eoin Brosnan (centre) or Sean Sullivan (No10). Sean has been flying for Mid Kerry and he scored the winning point against Cork and with his pace will present serious problems for the Monaghan half back however I'd expect the goal threat that Brosnan presents to be a deciding factor on his selection on the "forty".
Galvin and Declan will scrap for everything around midfield and can come up with a few scores too and are both invaluable in their positions, every team needs 1 or 2 of those players who will give their all for the cause. Brosnan was poor against Cork besides an early score but seems to play well in Croke Park and hopefully he can get on the end of some of those marauding runs he makes.
In the inside line Kieran Donaghy will relish getting back to Croke Park and hopefully his disappointing spring and early summer form will be put behind him, if he gets the right supply of the leather, which was not available against Cork he will cause all sorts of problems for a smallish Monaghan full back line, here the selection of Tommy Griffin might be the catalyst as it was much of Griffin's good supply that Donaghy fed off last year, no point having a good target man unless he gets good supply , but Donaghy can play off the lower ball too and he won some good ball against Graham Canty and kicked a great point when we needed it most. Monaghan will have plenty of cover in their half back line so the ball to Donaghy needs to beat that cover and be fast and winnable by the big man. His two corner men have played well this year and
Mike Frank Russell has been in his best form for years and if he and Colm Cooper can get early ball they will cause problems if they get one on one with their markers.
Cooper will also relish another crack at Croker and as seen against Cork he only needs a few split seconds to change a game , his goal that day was well taken and he has the poachers eye for the net.
So there all I can say is that I am looking forward to the game it will be a hard battle for us if we are to progress but that's what you want, you try yourself against the best that is out there and if you win you win, Monaghan have shown they are an excellent team with some great performances this year and they have noting to lose and will give it a right good rattle.
Roll on the 12th.
A very good reading of the game there Mike, what did ye have with the spuds on sunday? ;D
Mushrooms of course
Just booked my tickets - unfortunately only able to get Davin Stand/Canal End Lower Tier.
The last competitive meeting, both teams will have many of the same faces, we stole that game up in Scotstown, I was getting some quare looks in my direction being one of the few people shouting for Kerry...
Controversial Cooper score denies Monaghan in thriller
March 12th 2006
Kerry 1-11
Monaghan 0-13
KERRY picked up two valuable league points in this keenly contested and at times highly exciting Division 1A game in Scotstown yesterday, but they were pushed all the way by a resurgent Monaghan in a game that built to a nerve-tingling finish.
A point by Colm Cooper two minutes into stoppage time was the score that saw Kerry take the spoils and led to heartbreak for battling Monaghan.
It was a controversial score as it came following a free to Kerry after a foul on Declan O'Sullivan. The referee should probably have thrown up the ball as O'Sullivan seemed to retaliate on Stephen Gollogly who had dragged him down.
A point from a free by Paul Finlay moments earlier had brought Monaghan level for the seventh time in the second half and the ninth time overall.
The sides were level twice in the opening 15 minutes after which Kerry forged ahead with a goal and two points without reply between the 20th and 30th minutes.
Eoin Brosnan found the net on the half-hour as Kerry counter-attacked after Monaghan had squandered possession. The home sode replied with three straight points without reply from Stephen Gollogly, Rory Woods and a Hugh McElroy free to leave just two between the sides at the break: Kerry 1-4, Monaghan 0-5.
Within two minutes of the restart Monaghan had drawn level with points from Stephen Gollogly and Damien Freeman. Declan O'Sullivan restored Kerry's lead but within 60 seconds Paul Finlay had Monaghan back on terms setting the scene for an increasingly competitive second half.
Seán O'Sullivan restored Kerry's lead, but a brace from Paul Finlay and Rory Woods in the 13th and 15th minutes saw Monaghan take the lead for the first time.
Kerry struck back with Eamonn Fitzmaurice and Colm Cooper reversing the situation to put the Kingdom in front. Again Monaghan responded and a point apiece from the Freemans, Tomás and Damien had Monaghan back in front.
Cooper equalised from a free and Declan O'Sullivan restored the visitors' lead on the half hour, fisting over at the end of a surging run.
Two minutes from the end Finlay stroked over a free to leave the sides level, before Cooper sstruck.
MAN OF THE MATCH - Dara Ó Sé
SCORERS - Kerry: C Cooper 0-4 (2f), E Brosnan 1-0, S O'Sullivan 0-3, D O'Sullivan 0-3, E Fitzmaurice 0-1. Monaghan: R Woods 0-3, P Finlay 0-3 (1f), D Freeman 0-2, H McElroy 0-2 (2f), S Gollogly 0-2, T Freeman 0-1.
KERRY - K Cremin; M Ó Sé, M McCarthy, T O'Sullivan; T Ó Sé, A O'Mahony, M Lyons; D Ó Sé, K Donaghy; S O'Sullivan, E Fitzmaurice, E Brosnan; C Cooper, D O'Sullivan, MF Russell. Subs: P Kelly for MF Russell (50mins), A MacGearailt for K Donaghy (58 mins), T Griffin for S O'Sullivan (62 mins).
MONAGHAN - S Duffy; D Morgan, J Coyle, C Flanagan; D McArdle, V Corey, P McGuigan; B McKenna, P Finlay; E Duffy, D Freeman, S Gollogly; R Woods, H McElroy, T Freeman. Subs: S Smyth for P McGuigan (14 mins), C Hanratty for E Duffy (49 mins), K Sheerin for S Smyth (68 mins).
REF - C Reilly (Meath)
Happened to be in Scotstown that day, standing beside Mossy Lyons' da infact, but I agree Kerry stole that game. But that's what the big teams are expert at doing, looked like Kerry were playing well within themselves, did what they had to and left with the points.
Monaghan have improved immeasurably since then, especially in terms of preparation and mental strength, but Kerry looked to me to be in second or thrd gear.
Will you be in with the Monaghan crowd again this time KM?
Good article there, KM.
What with Puck Fair and the Monaghan game, it will be a good week of it.
If Tyrone and Cork qualify for the semi-final, who will the Kerry gang root for/against? Is there some sort of rulebook in the Kingdom of Yerra to decide such matters?
BH
Kerry Mike, are you game for a session? I suppose you'll be a single man for the next couple of weeks. ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Frank Casey on July 30, 2007, 09:13:27 PM
Kerry Mike, are you game for a session? I suppose you'll be a single man for the next couple of weeks. ;D ;D ;D
Admin! We'll have none of that sort of stuff here. Last time I saw Monaghan play was the division2 final against Meath a couple of years ago. They've definitely improved all round since then. Should be a good game, but Kerry to come through easily in the end.
who goes to full back when Corey goes to full forward ?. Where do you guys see him starting against Kerry .
Quote from: johnpower on July 30, 2007, 11:05:23 PM
who goes to full back when Corey goes to full forward ?. Where do you guys see him starting against Kerry .
I reckon he'll start at FF - too much of a risk to get booked on Donaghy possibly. Plus Monaghan will want to be on fire from the start and getting scores on the board.
On another note, i've just stuck my £20stg on Monaghan at 5/1 - lovely odds!
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 30, 2007, 11:23:07 PM
Quote from: johnpower on July 30, 2007, 11:05:23 PM
who goes to full back when Corey goes to full forward ?. Where do you guys see him starting against Kerry .
I reckon he'll start at FF - too much of a risk to get booked on Donaghy possibly. Plus Monaghan will want to be on fire from the start and getting scores on the board.
On another note, i've just stuck my £20stg on Monaghan at 5/1 - lovely odds!
I agree great odds
Tyrone will all be shouting for Monaghan !!
i think this is a good draw for Monaghan, they played a great game of football on saturday night, they are organised, fit and strong, physically and mentally. and i think that will really help them against Kerry, losing the ulster final will reallget them ready for this game, they really rattled tyrone, and i certainly think they will rattle the kingdom
CMON MONAGHAN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
QuoteIf Tyrone and Cork qualify for the semi-final, who will the Kerry gang root for/against? Is there some sort of rulebook in the Kingdom of Yerra to decide such matters?
The good book of Yerra says that no Kerryman, woman, child or animal shall support the Rebels from the Land of the Langers. But it also states that it would be difficult for anyone to support the Red handers from Tyrone. So we are all going fishing that day if such a scenario arises.
Quotewho goes to full back when Corey goes to full forward
I think this will be the biggest decision Seamus McEneaney will have to make. Corey has played very well at full forward over the last 2 games but do Monaghan risk that and move him back to full back to try and curb Donaghy. I think they wont, I think they will be in a frame of mind to go for the game from the start by playing Corey at full forward even if they name him at full back, if they get ahead like they did in the latter stages against Donegal they might then bolster their full back line by pulling him back.
But they have other possible options at full forward, Paul Finlay would make a fine target man inside with Freeman too, or how about one of McElroy, Clerkin or Lennon at full forward ?
I suppose the big question will be if Corey is full forward will they go with Colm Flanagan at full back, I think he is more of a corner man but they will need a big strong man on the edge of their square to try and cope with Donaghy's aerial threat. My guess is that they will bring as many players back as possible and try and double team Donaghy, the only problem there is that Cooper is well able to win his own high ball so that might open a few opportunities for him. Will they try something new like pulling Eoin Lennon or Dick Clerkin back to full back, it will be interesting to see the line ups.
Quote from: Kerry Mike on July 31, 2007, 09:57:21 AM
QuoteIf Tyrone and Cork qualify for the semi-final, who will the Kerry gang root for/against? Is there some sort of rulebook in the Kingdom of Yerra to decide such matters?
The good book of Yerra says that no Kerryman, woman, child or animal shall support the Rebels from the Land of the Langers. But it also states that it would be difficult for anyone to support the Red handers from Tyrone. So we are all going fishing that day if such a scenario arises.
Now
that's what you call between a rock and a hard place ;)
I think that Monaghan will start with Flanagan at full back, with possibly JP Mone sitting in front of Donaghy.
The Monaghan half back line will play very very deep, and while some may say this will invite Kerry onto Monaghan, it will cut out clean ball into Gooch and Donaghy.
If they are in deep trouble after 10 mins I would expect Corey to be switched to full back. Could we see James Coyle at full back at some stage?
Quote from: thebandit on July 31, 2007, 10:20:23 AM
I think that Monaghan will start with Flanagan at full back, with possibly JP Mone sitting in front of Donaghy.
The Monaghan half back line will play very very deep, and while some may say this will invite Kerry onto Monaghan, it will cut out clean ball into Gooch and Donaghy.
If they are in deep trouble after 10 mins I would expect Corey to be switched to full back. Could we see James Coyle at full back at some stage?
Would'nt be so sure of James @ full back, looking at him warming up on Sat before the game and he just did'nt look fit and has'nt played a lot of ball this summer.
The key to nullifying Donaghys threat is to stop the ball going into him, easier said than done i know but to my mind its a case of a war of attrition in mid field, flood it with bodies and hopefully Kerry will get caught in traffic.
Kerrys 3/4 line is the platform for them , if we can stall them and poss break down a few early moves it could be crucial.
A tandem job on Donaghy would be the obvious move but would surely leave us exposed elsewhere.
As Kerry Mike rightly said Banty, trappe and mcelkennon have a massive decision to make re Vinny.
One option for the ff berth that has'nt been mentioned yet is big Benny Mc kenna , did all right against Down in mid field and whilst not the most mobile of lads he's got the frame and can catch the ball, decent distribution as well.
We do have options but its shaping up to be a classic case of a game been won on the line.
The great thing about the qualifiers is matches like this. Novel pairings are good for the game.
I would expect Tommy Griffin (if fit) to resume in the middle of the field, in the only change from the Munster final.
The perceived wisdom is that Monaghan will flood the defence and stop Kerry working through them; I honestly feel Kerry will go long and by pass the congestion.
Tyrone had Gormley (I think) sitting in front of Gooch in the AIF and he picked up the world of ball, now we have two target men in the Full forward line and the problem for Monaghan is do you put a man in front of Donaghy, Gooch or even both. Kerry never really utilised the long ball to Donaghy in Munster final because his shoulder was still not right going into the game, he has 10 weeks of football behind him now so a few trademark catches should be on the menu. Tactically it will be very interesting. One concern to come out of the Munster final was the 20 minute fade out in the second half, if that happens again we could be in trouble.
As KM said, Cork vs Tyrone is a turn off the telly occasion and see the result later on, could not see myself supporting either team...
Dont know about Big Benny at FF, seen him there a few times in the league and wasn't at all convinced.
Another worry is McQuaid v Brosnan, McQuaid isn't really a man marker, so we could be exposed here
QuoteAnother worry is McQuaid v Brosnan, McQuaid isn't really a man marker, so we could be exposed here
Or Declan O'Sullivan if he plays at centre forward, Was in great form against Cork and has played very well for his South Kerry since, James Nallen had no answer to him in the AI final last year either, another key Kerry player Banty will have to plan against.
Quote from: Ball Hopper on July 30, 2007, 09:05:22 PM
If Tyrone and Cork qualify for the semi-final, who will the Kerry gang root for/against? Is there some sort of rulebook in the Kingdom of Yerra to decide such matters?
Yes, in that case Kerry folk pray to Maurice Fitzgerald for the Croke Park water supply to be infected with cryptosporidiosis.
I think Kerry should win - set up a semi against the Dubs - where will that game be on - Thurles?
Quote from: JBM on the 21 on July 31, 2007, 07:53:48 PM
I think Kerry should win - set up a semi against the Dubs - where will that game be on - Thurles?
Croker sure if the Dubs and Kerry met nowhere else could accomodate them. All semis are played in croke park these days I think.
Quote from: JBM on the 21 on July 31, 2007, 07:53:48 PM
I think Kerry should win - set up a semi against the Dubs - where will that game be on - Thurles?
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Quote from: The Subbie on July 31, 2007, 10:52:18 AM
Kerrys 3/4 line is the platform for them , if we can stall them and poss break down a few early moves it could be crucial.
3/4 line???
I didn't realise it was rugby - Monaghan will definitely win so.
We have tickets for the Guniness Hurling Semi Final and the BOI Football Quarter Final, as printed on the tickets purchased through Ticketmaster.
The GAA annouced the starting times for events as:
Sunday, August 12th
ESB All Ireland Minor Hurling Championship Semi-Final
Tipperary v Kilkenny 12.15pm
(Croke Park)
Bank of Ireland Football Championship Quarter Final
Kerry v Monaghan 2pm
(Croke Park)
Guinness All Ireland Hurling Championship Semi-Final
Limerick v Cork/Waterford 4pm
(Croke Park)
Will we be able to enter the stadium for the 12:15 ESB match or do we need to wait until the ESB All Ireland Minor Hurling Championship Semi-Final is over?
The tickets are good for the whole day. Enjoy.
MikeInPA: If its your first time seeing live Gaelic Games you chose a good day for a visit to Croke Park with what should be an excellent football and hurling game.
The minor game is an Under 18 hurling match, there will be a very small crowd at it but if you want to get in early the gates will be open from about 11.30 onwards, it is a long day with 3 full games so I would suggest getting in around 1pm, you will get the end of the minor game and then have the full build up to the 2 big games. There is a very good GAA musuem under the Cusuck Stand but its inside the turnstiles and once in you wont be able to leave, there is also a new Elvery's GAA store in the Hogan Stand (outside the turnstiles). There are plenty of food and drink stalls within the stadium. The Pubs around Drumcondra a few hundred metres from Croker will be buzzing all early afternoon so if you want a bit of pre match craic head in that direction, you can buy a beer inside Croker too ;)
Enjoy the day out, would be interested to hear your views of the games and the day afterwards, and any support for Kerry will be welcome....
QuoteEnjoy the day out, would be interested to hear your views of the games and the day afterwards, and any support for Kerry will be welcome....
MikeinPA, enjoy your day out. While there won't be many Kerry people there it is because they only like to go to finals, a strategy that works for them as they have won so many. Support Monaghan, a poor wee place that needs all of the help it can get.
Thanks to everyone for all the info and the quick responses. It will be our first time in Ireland - we head on over tomorrow. My seventeen-year-old is the real sports fan who watches Gaelic football on satellite.
Since I have a great-great grandfather Quinlan who arrived in the USA an orphan, which teams would everyone suggest we cheer for? Maybe Quinlans are spread out all over Ireland, but if they are concentrated in a certain area that would be helpful. Barring that, I would tend to root for the little guy.
From everyone I speak to I am sure that Ireland will be an enjoyable experience for my whole family. I'll make a note to let everyone know how our day was.
Sure weren't the Quinlan's massive in Monaghan!
:P
When do tickets for the All Ireland Semi-Final between Dublin and Monaghan go on sale?
It is just that I don't want to buy Semi tickets until after the Kerry game because there is a chance that Monaghan might lose and not get there at all - and I'm afraid that the Dubs will have bought up all the tickets if they get a week's head start on us.
Anybody know?
Go for it Monaghan - NO REGRETS!!!!
DON'T LEAVE IT ON THE PITCH - C'mon Ulster................again!!!!!
QuoteBarring that, I would tend to root for the little guy.
Monaghan are the out and out underdogs, but I wouldn't belittle them, they can take care of themseves. :)
Mike - the Quinlans are from Meath - see
http://www.houseofnames.com/xq/asp.c/qx/quinlan-coat-arms.htm (http://www.houseofnames.com/xq/asp.c/qx/quinlan-coat-arms.htm).
Since Meath is not playing that day, as a Meathman, I feel qualified to advise you as to who you should support :).
First game - just enjoy it - I don't mind who wins. Both counties are powerhouses of hurling.
Second game - support Monaghan. It fits your fallback position of supporting the underdog and a Kerry loss improves the chances for the rest of us.
Third game - since we don't yet know who'll be playing Limerick, I can only suggest you support Limerick. They will also be underdogs and I know for sure Limerick is full of of Quinlans - they must have migrated there from Meath, as I once did myself.
The only problem with this policy, of course, is that you're less likely to experience a win for 'your' side.
Quote from: Hardy on August 02, 2007, 10:18:58 AM
Mike - the Quinlans are from Meath - see
http://www.houseofnames.com/xq/asp.c/qx/quinlan-coat-arms.htm (http://www.houseofnames.com/xq/asp.c/qx/quinlan-coat-arms.htm).
Unfortunately, a very dubious source for the origin of Irish surnames (if my own surname is anything to go by, where they were so completely wrong, and as I have previously advised them of such). Mac Lysaght is your only man ;)
I agree, but I don't have MacLysaght to hand.
(Is it the O'Nolans, the O'Briens or the Coppaleens they got wrong?)
None of those Hardy, but can see where you're coming from; using Brian/Flann/Myles since it was just around the corner (literally) from where he spent his first years that I spent my own ;)
It involves a branch of the O'Neills, one of those of the Cenel Eoghain sept. I'll have a look at Mac Lysaght later and update for MikeInPaUSA, though it's quite possible you have it correctly.
I'm reckoning tickets will be hard enough come by for this tie? Will it be a simple 25% per county allocation?
The Subbies Father was talking to Co Sec last night , Monaghan asked for and got 20,000 tickets for Sun week. By all accounts the usual suspects that have'nt been to a Monaghan game since 85 or 88 are all going buck mad to get tickets for this one , I suppose the bigger the Farney Army is on the day the better.
With tickets priced at €45 there might not be that many jumping on the bandwagon.
I'd imagine the hurling counties will get the better tickets, so our tickets will probably come with an optional extra to buy binoculars.
Unless you are 'Stewarding' that is "cough"
The Road to Croker - Tonight!
Hadn't seen this posted anywhere else on this board:
QuoteOn Thursday 02 August, Des will be on the road north travelling to Ballybay GAA Club in Co Monaghan. Following the Farney Army's progression to the quarter-finals of the Football Championship, Des will be joined in studio with an audience of club members and supporters this Thursday on RTÉ Two at 8.00pm.
Quote from: MikeInPaUSA on August 01, 2007, 09:41:26 PM
Since I have a great-great grandfather Quinlan who arrived in the USA an orphan, which teams would everyone suggest we cheer for? Maybe Quinlans are spread out all over Ireland, but if they are concentrated in a certain area that would be helpful. Barring that, I would tend to root for the little guy.
Mike, here is what Dr Edward Mac Lysaght says of Quinlan:
(O) Quinlan Ó Caoinleáin The Munster (mainly Co. Tipperary) form of Ó Caoindealbheáin, which is in Leinster, where the sept originated, was usually anglicized as Kindellan and has now often been absorbed by the more common names Connellan or even Conlan. They were of the southern Uí Néill, the senior line of descendants of Laoghaire, king of Ireland at the time of St. Patrick.So there you have it, most likely Leinster in origin, and perhaps Meath within Leinster, as House of Names suggested. But if it's the little guy you root for, then it definitely won't be Kerry! ;)
Have a great day in Croke.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 02, 2007, 08:25:21 PM
So there you have it, most likely Leinster in origin, and perhaps Meath within Leinster, as House of Names suggested. But if it's the little guy you root for, then it definitely won't be Kerry! ;)
Have a great day in Croke.
mike, maybe you should rethink your little guy strategy. as fear said above we're not the little guy but were still worth a shout! kerry are the san francisco 49ers (the joe montana era) of gaelic football and if that sort of class appeals to you then give us a cheer. meanwhile hope you have a great day and if you can let us know how you got on...
Quote from: thebandit on August 02, 2007, 04:40:38 PM
I'd imagine the hurling counties will get the better tickets, so our tickets will probably come with an optional extra to buy binoculars.
Unless you are 'Stewarding' that is "cough"
You'll not have to worry about the quality of your tickets, sure you'll probably get the dinner in croker at half time.
And maybe a wee beer to go with it!
been quiet on this thread for a while... i didnt get to see the road to croker. was it any good?
Yes, see: http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=3687.0
thanks fear.................
Any body know when the teams are been named ? . Any Injury worries by either side ?. I expect that the Dubs and Derry game will steal most of the headlines
Quote from: johnpower on August 06, 2007, 10:06:54 PM
Any body know when the teams are been named ? . Any Injury worries by either side ?. I expect that the Dubs and Derry game will steal most of the headlines.
It doesn't really matter when Monaghan's team is named - it won't be the one that lines out on Sunday anyway! BAr any injuries - and there's no word of any - the team has been relatively constant this year. Only a few possible changes: Flanagan or Morgan and McManus or Hanratty
Still, i wonder will Vinny be given the #3 or #14? Either way, we'll only know when the ball's thrown in.
Quote from: Maguire01 on August 06, 2007, 11:16:47 PM
Quote from: johnpower on August 06, 2007, 10:06:54 PM
Any body know when the teams are been named ? . Any Injury worries by either side ?. I expect that the Dubs and Derry game will steal most of the headlines.
It doesn't really matter when Monaghan's team is named - it won't be the one that lines out on Sunday anyway! BAr any injuries - and there's no word of any - the team has been relatively constant this year. Only a few possible changes: Flanagan or Morgan and McManus or Hanratty
Still, i wonder will Vinny be given the #3 or #14? Either way, we'll only know when the ball's thrown in.
yes indeed I had forgot about that . It is an interesting decission for the Monaghan Management . What would be your preference ?
Flanagan and Hanratty probably. McManus definitely at some time though.
We need a FF line at full strength from the throw in to try and rattle the net.
banty usally names his team on the tuesday(today).. i think hanratty would be better coming off the bench. the defence was class against donegal, so corey should start @ 14. hes needed @ ff.....
same 15 this week ?
It looks very much like it
My Prediction:
Duffy
Dessie Flanagan Strimmer
JP
Morgan McQuaid D. Freeman
Dick Spindley
Jinxy Woods Finlay
Corey Tommy
I could see Morgan coming in for Conor McManus in a tactical switch.
Dessie will mark the Gooch, Flanagan will mark Donaghy from behind, with JP Mone in front. Strimmer will mark Mike Frank.
All this talk of Lennon being brought from MF to mark Donaghy is a load of shite, he is needed in there to mark Dara O'Sé (still Kerry's most important player)
Damien Freeman will follow Galvin - should be a good battle, what odds both to be booked?
Half back line will play very deep to cut out clean ball into Gooch, Donaghy and Mike Frank.
I wonder do Kerry have any special plans made for Corey and Tommy?
There are only two topics of conversation down here this weekend:
One being the unpredictable nature of Gaelic football (Kerry minors being so poor in Munster and then overturning a fancied Tyrone side) which serves as a warning to the senior side and
The second is the effect of the 6-week layoff. The only time I can never remember a team having a 6-week layoff is 1986 (when Kerry beat Meath in the All-Ireland semi final after the three Meath players took each other out).
The players are well rested but recent history has shown that matches are more beneficial than training. Tyrone '05 and Kerry '06 prove this.
Kerry have a full panel to pick from, with Quirke again likely to keep Griffin on the sidelines. The only real question is whether Eoin Brosnan will hold his place at centre forward or whether Sean O'Sullivan will come in on the wing with Declan moving to the centre. My bet would be an unchanged side from the last day.
How do the Monaghan lads on here feel their fullback line will do on Donaghy, MFR and Gooch. Do Monaghan have pace off the bench to cater for the flying O'Sullivans? I would expect to see Daniel Doyle (minor in '04) to be on the bench Sunday to provide badly needed cover. I feel Kerry will start slow but end up winning by 3+ after a good tussle.
Quote from: thebandit on August 07, 2007, 03:19:16 PM
It looks very much like it
My Prediction:
Duffy
Dessie Flanagan Strimmer
JP
Morgan McQuaid D. Freeman
Dick Spindley ???
Jinxy ??? Woods Finlay
Corey Tommy
I could see Morgan coming in for Conor McManus in a tactical switch.
Dessie will mark the Gooch, Flanagan will mark Donaghy from behind, with JP Mone in front. Strimmer will mark Mike Frank.
All this talk of Lennon being brought from MF to mark Donaghy is a load of shite, he is needed in there to mark Dara O'Sé (still Kerry's most important player)
Damien Freeman will follow Galvin - should be a good battle, what odds both to be booked?
Half back line will play very deep to cut out clean ball into Gooch, Donaghy and Mike Frank.
I wonder do Kerry have any special plans made for Corey and Tommy?
Just for us non-Monaghan folk, could you elaborate just who these two guys are?!
Jinxy = Stephen Gollogly , family nick name
Spindley = Eoin Lennon , don't know where the nickname came from.
Strimmer is the one you missed tin tin = Dermot Mc Ardle,he went round Blaney one summer offering his services to all and sundry with his strimmer.
Cheers!
Quote from: The Subbie on August 07, 2007, 03:59:11 PM
Strimmer is the one you missed tin tin = Dermot Mc Ardle,he went round Blaney one summer offering his services to all and sundry with his strimmer.
;D ;D I can assure you that this isn't how he got his name.
I can see the team lining out as the Bandit suggested with JP dropping into full back to pick up Donaghy. Can't see Morgan starting and I suppose Hanners will be an impact sub as against Donegal. McManus to start in forwards with strimmer at Half back line.
Spent last week down in Kerry and thought that Kerry people are been very dismissive of Monaghan. Some concern that they haven't played for 6 weeks but they are happy its only Monaghan they are facing. Hope the players have the same attitude.
Kerry will be hard to beat and will need a 70 minute plus display from Monaghan. Cooper can do nothing for 50 minutes and then come alive to beat a team, which he done against Cork. Stopping supply will be a big factor in the game, as Kerry have so many dangerous players in attack. Monaghan need to have the free taker sorted, as we are missing too many frees in previous games. I'd let Woods hit them.
Looking forward to the game but think we'll come up a bit short.
Quote from: thebandit on August 07, 2007, 03:19:16 PM
It looks very much like it
My Prediction:
Duffy
Dessie Flanagan Strimmer
JP
Morgan McQuaid D. Freeman
Dick Spindley
Jinxy Woods Finlay
Corey Tommy
I could see Morgan coming in for Conor McManus in a tactical switch.
Dessie will mark the Gooch, Flanagan will mark Donaghy from behind, with JP Mone in front.
That would completely play into Kerry's hands. Marc Ó Sé would be the spare man and he'd be able to rack up a good few points.
Good luck Monaghan! Will u's be bringing as big a support as went to the ulster final? I think you's have a chance depending on how the game goes early. Monaghan are a very physical team and in recent years Kerry have really struggled with this. The Kerry players dont seem to like it when they dont get time on the ball and when the opposition are constantly in their faces. Monaghan are extremely fit, strong and hungry so should be able to upset Kerry in this way. They also have Freeman who is one the best forwards in the game currently. Corey has been unreal in the 2 games so far at full forward but Kerry will have a plan to deal with him, though they do look a little light in the full back line. It is a risk playing Corey at full forward but Monagahan dont get many chances to get to an all ireland semi these days and must go for it. The last few weeks should have brought Finlay on considerably. Having said that there's no doubt Kerry are favourites despite there lay off. They have the potential to run through the Monaghan half back line as well as launching high balls to Donaghy. Should be a good game and at the very least I hope Monaghan keep it tight.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on August 07, 2007, 05:12:11 PM
Good luck Monaghan! Will u's be bringing as big a support as went to the ulster final?
I heard that Monaghan requested and were allocated 20,000 - is this true?
I'm not based in Monaghan any more and got my tickets from ticketmaster, so i'm not sure what supply and demand is like back home. Anyone else got any info?
Support for the Ulster Final was immense - i'd be hoping we'd have the same. Plus some early white and blue from the Waterford supporters!
monaghan to win by 2 points, freeman to score 1-6 corey to get 1-1
Yo! Corey got July's Opel Player of the Month - Monaghan's first!
;D
Quote from: 5iveTimes on August 07, 2007, 09:05:16 PM
Corey is named at full-back.
Place your bets!
Also, from today's Irish News:
QuoteVincent Corey's switch from the edge of the defensive square to the edge of the attacking one against Tyrone and Donegal has proved effective and although McEnaney hinted that the Clontibret man's attacking cameos may be curtailed against the Kingdom, he was still remaining guarded.
"I have played horses for courses all year. We see Kieran Donaghy obviously as a big threat and again it'll be horses for courses ,"he said. When pressed further as to whether his full-back and full-forward may bear a striking resemblance to each other, the Corduff man chirped :"It'll cost you €45 to find out ."
The Kerry team has been named – one change with Seamus Scanlon (from my club) coming in midfield for Micheal Quirke. Delighted for Seamus and I hope it goes well for him. Strong team named.
Diarmuid Murphy (Dingle) ; Marc Ó Sé (An Ghaeltacht), Tom O'Sullivan (Rathmore), Pádraig Reidy (Scartaglin); Tomás Ó Sé (An Ghaeltacht), Aidan O'Mahony (Rathmore), Killian Young (Renard); Darragh Ó Sé (An Ghaeltacht), Seamus Scanlon (Currow) ; Declan O'Sullivan (Capt) (Dromid Pearses), Eoin Brosnan (Dr. Crokes), Paul Galvin (Finuge); Colm Cooper (Dr. Crokes), Kieran Donaghy (Austin Stacks), Mike Frank Russell (Laune Rangers)
Subs:
Kieran Cremin (Dr. Crokes), Micheal Quirke (Kerins O'Rahillys), Sean O'Sullivan (Cromane), Mossie Lyons (Castleisland Desmonds), Darren O'Sullivan (Glenbeigh/Glencar), Bryan Sheehan (St. Marys), Daniel Bohane (Austin Stacks), Paul O'Connor (Kenmare), Rónan Ó Flatharta (An Ghaeltacht), Kieran O'Leary (Dr. Crokes), Tommy Griffin (Dingle), Ronan Hussey (Sneem), Donncha Walsh (Cromane), Tommy Walsh (Kerins O'Rahillys), Declan Quill (Kerins O'Rahillys)
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Yes, that's true
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I see that they are only handing them over the clubs tomorrow night at cloghan. Very late for the clubs to sort them out at that stage and get them out to people. People are already looking for there tickets and are worried that they'll miss out. We're not used to this kind of situation up here ;D
Whats that Kerry midfielder Scanlon like? I take it he is been used as Quirke would have been too slow to cope with Monaghans style of play. Is Scanlon more mobile?
Will Corey go FF? I reckon he will, with JP dropping to FB and Damien Freeman going WB and McManus going WF. Finlay and woods to leave Tommy and Vinny as two man FF line.
Butwho knows what he'll do. ???
Clubs are getting them in Cloghan tomorrow between 7-9.
From what I hear quantity will not be a problem but quality might be....
Quote from: bingobus on August 08, 2007, 11:48:07 AM
Whats that Kerry midfielder Scanlon like? I take it he is been used as Quirke would have been too slow to cope with Monaghans style of play. Is Scanlon more mobile?
I'm surprised at Scanlon's inclusion there, over Quirke, though he may have improved. Tommy Griffin mustn't be fully flying yet, or I'd imagine he'd be first choice.
Quote from: bingobus on August 08, 2007, 11:48:07 AM
Whats that Kerry midfielder Scanlon like? I take it he is been used as Quirke would have been too slow to cope with Monaghans style of play. Is Scanlon more mobile?
Going by what's happening in training Scanlon is going to be full-forward as a ball winner to lay off to the likes of Gooch, MFR, Brosnan and DOS with Donaghy going to midfield.
Quote from: blanketattack on August 08, 2007, 12:22:49 PM
Quote from: bingobus on August 08, 2007, 11:48:07 AM
Whats that Kerry midfielder Scanlon like? I take it he is been used as Quirke would have been too slow to cope with Monaghans style of play. Is Scanlon more mobile?
Going by what's happening in training Scanlon is going to be full-forward as a ball winner to lay off to the likes of Gooch, MFR, Brosnan and DOS with Donaghy going to midfield.
I would be happy with these changes but don't think Kerry will go through with them. Donaghy never really caught the eye at Midfield in the past but has been very effective at FF. I doubt Scanlon will be as effective. Always thought Griffin was a good midfielder and suited the Kerry style in that he held the house when the forwards and half backs went on the attack.
As for Monaghans tickets, I assumed that asking for 20,000 would mean getting the upper level and hill tickets. Doubt the clubs will see any Lower Hogan or Cusack tickets.
Seamus is a midfielder pure and simple. He is excellent at winning primary possession but in his younger days he gave it away to easily.
I saw many Currow forward running out over sidelines chasing his kicks. He has been around the Kerry panel for a number of years (like Tommy Griffin).
Indeed he nearly came on the AIF of 2002 as a blood sub for Dara. While not as physically imposing as Quirke, he does not lack speed and will support the defence. He deserves his chance.
Only issue with Seamus is that he is inclined to give away silly frees.
Quote from: bingobus on August 07, 2007, 04:38:48 PM
Quote from: The Subbie on August 07, 2007, 03:59:11 PM
Strimmer is the one you missed tin tin = Dermot Mc Ardle,he went round Blaney one summer offering his services to all and sundry with his strimmer.
;D ;D I can assure you that this isn't how he got his name.
I can see the team lining out as the Bandit suggested with JP dropping into full back to pick up Donaghy. Can't see Morgan starting and I suppose Hanners will be an impact sub as against Donegal. McManus to start in forwards with strimmer at Half back line.
Spent last week down in Kerry and thought that Kerry people are been very dismissive of Monaghan. Some concern that they haven't played for 6 weeks but they are happy its only Monaghan they are facing. Hope the players have the same attitude.
Kerry will be hard to beat and will need a 70 minute plus display from Monaghan. Cooper can do nothing for 50 minutes and then come alive to beat a team, which he done against Cork. Stopping supply will be a big factor in the game, as Kerry have so many dangerous players in attack. Monaghan need to have the free taker sorted, as we are missing too many frees in previous games. I'd let Woods hit them.
Looking forward to the game but think we'll come up a bit short.
I'll bow to your greater knowledge Bingo bus , but i got that nugget ( incorrect as it is ) from a former Monaghan Goalkeeper of recent vintage, he would have played for the team that lies between Truagh and Monaghan harps ;)
Anyway whats the story with the ref , anyone got any opinions on him? I've never seen him before.
Quote from: The Subbie on August 08, 2007, 05:34:02 PM
Quote from: bingobus on August 07, 2007, 04:38:48 PM
Quote from: The Subbie on August 07, 2007, 03:59:11 PM
Strimmer is the one you missed tin tin = Dermot Mc Ardle,he went round Blaney one summer offering his services to all and sundry with his strimmer.
;D ;D I can assure you that this isn't how he got his name.
I can see the team lining out as the Bandit suggested with JP dropping into full back to pick up Donaghy. Can't see Morgan starting and I suppose Hanners will be an impact sub as against Donegal. McManus to start in forwards with strimmer at Half back line.
Spent last week down in Kerry and thought that Kerry people are been very dismissive of Monaghan. Some concern that they haven't played for 6 weeks but they are happy its only Monaghan they are facing. Hope the players have the same attitude.
Kerry will be hard to beat and will need a 70 minute plus display from Monaghan. Cooper can do nothing for 50 minutes and then come alive to beat a team, which he done against Cork. Stopping supply will be a big factor in the game, as Kerry have so many dangerous players in attack. Monaghan need to have the free taker sorted, as we are missing too many frees in previous games. I'd let Woods hit them.
Looking forward to the game but think we'll come up a bit short.
I'll bow to your greater knowledge Bingo bus , but i got that nugget ( incorrect as it is ) from a former Monaghan Goalkeeper of recent vintage, he would have played for the team that lies between Truagh and Monaghan harps ;)
Anyway whats the story with the ref , anyone got any opinions on him? I've never seen him before.
Would that ex keeper be resident up near Blayney at present. Would know your source very well and I know where he'd have got the story from. Prob us telling him lies at some stage!!
Can't say I know the Ref too well but I'd like to think a meath man would let it go a bit which should suit Monaghan. And sure don't Meath owe us a favour on the Refereing front since Pat sent off Colye with McHale against Mayo in the Mill by the Hill. No better day to return the favour this Sunday. I'll have a Dara O'Sea and a Conor McManus sent to the line any day of the week. ;D
Hadn't heard this!
QuoteMonaghan hope Smith will return
Wednesday, 8 August 2007 21:51
Monaghan manager Seamus McEnaney is hopeful that forward Shane Smith will play some part in Sunday's All-Ireland quarter-final against Kerry in Croke Park.
Smith has played a pivitol role in his counties success this season but he was hospitalised with penumonia last weekend.
RTÉ Sport understands that Smith was discharged from hospital last night and his manager is confident that he'll be available for selection.
http://www.metcheck.com/V40/UK/FREE/dayforecast.asp?zipcode=Dublin&day=3//
Middleing enough dya weather wise lads
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Quote from: bingobus on August 07, 2007, 04:38:48 PM
Quote from: The Subbie on August 07, 2007, 03:59:11 PM
Strimmer is the one you missed tin tin = Dermot Mc Ardle,he went round Blaney one summer offering his services to all and sundry with his strimmer.
;D ;D I can assure you that this isn't how he got his name.
I can see the team lining out as the Bandit suggested with JP dropping into full back to pick up Donaghy. Can't see Morgan starting and I suppose Hanners will be an impact sub as against Donegal. McManus to start in forwards with strimmer at Half back line.
Spent last week down in Kerry and thought that Kerry people are been very dismissive of Monaghan. Some concern that they haven't played for 6 weeks but they are happy its only Monaghan they are facing. Hope the players have the same attitude.
Kerry will be hard to beat and will need a 70 minute plus display from Monaghan. Cooper can do nothing for 50 minutes and then come alive to beat a team, which he done against Cork. Stopping supply will be a big factor in the game, as Kerry have so many dangerous players in attack. Monaghan need to have the free taker sorted, as we are missing too many frees in previous games. I'd let Woods hit them.
Looking forward to the game but think we'll come up a bit short.
I'll bow to your greater knowledge Bingo bus , but i got that nugget ( incorrect as it is ) from a former Monaghan Goalkeeper of recent vintage, he would have played for the team that lies between Truagh and Monaghan harps ;)
Anyway whats the story with the ref , anyone got any opinions on him? I've never seen him before.
Would that ex keeper be resident up near Blayney at present. Would know your source very well and I know where he'd have got the story from. Prob us telling him lies at some stage!!
Can't say I know the Ref too well but I'd like to think a meath man would let it go a bit which should suit Monaghan. And sure don't Meath owe us a favour on the Refereing front since Pat sent off Colye with McHale against Mayo in the Mill by the Hill. No better day to return the favour this Sunday. I'll have a Dara O'Sea and a Conor McManus sent to the line any day of the week. ;D
That man is resident in TOOME
Heard that the Kerry fans aren't even travelling - they say they're waiting on the semi final and final - hopefully it will be next year when they're travelling. Come on Monaghan.
Any spare tickets? Two would be nice! PM me. Cheers.
Heard last night ticketmaster had another few thousand online , failing that I'd say if you turn up in blue and white on sunday you'll get sorted ;)
Quote from: thebandit on August 09, 2007, 10:03:17 AM
Quote from: bingobus on August 08, 2007, 05:51:18 PM
Quote from: The Subbie on August 08, 2007, 05:34:02 PM
Quote from: bingobus on August 07, 2007, 04:38:48 PM
Quote from: The Subbie on August 07, 2007, 03:59:11 PM
Strimmer is the one you missed tin tin = Dermot Mc Ardle,he went round Blaney one summer offering his services to all and sundry with his strimmer.
;D ;D I can assure you that this isn't how he got his name.
I can see the team lining out as the Bandit suggested with JP dropping into full back to pick up Donaghy. Can't see Morgan starting and I suppose Hanners will be an impact sub as against Donegal. McManus to start in forwards with strimmer at Half back line.
Spent last week down in Kerry and thought that Kerry people are been very dismissive of Monaghan. Some concern that they haven't played for 6 weeks but they are happy its only Monaghan they are facing. Hope the players have the same attitude.
Kerry will be hard to beat and will need a 70 minute plus display from Monaghan. Cooper can do nothing for 50 minutes and then come alive to beat a team, which he done against Cork. Stopping supply will be a big factor in the game, as Kerry have so many dangerous players in attack. Monaghan need to have the free taker sorted, as we are missing too many frees in previous games. I'd let Woods hit them.
Looking forward to the game but think we'll come up a bit short.
I'll bow to your greater knowledge Bingo bus , but i got that nugget ( incorrect as it is ) from a former Monaghan Goalkeeper of recent vintage, he would have played for the team that lies between Truagh and Monaghan harps ;)
Anyway whats the story with the ref , anyone got any opinions on him? I've never seen him before.
Would that ex keeper be resident up near Blayney at present. Would know your source very well and I know where he'd have got the story from. Prob us telling him lies at some stage!!
Can't say I know the Ref too well but I'd like to think a meath man would let it go a bit which should suit Monaghan. And sure don't Meath owe us a favour on the Refereing front since Pat sent off Colye with McHale against Mayo in the Mill by the Hill. No better day to return the favour this Sunday. I'll have a Dara O'Sea and a Conor McManus sent to the line any day of the week. ;D
That man is resident in TOOME
Exactly, near Blayney. Sure didn't he help coach the Blayney Under 12's this year. He'll never pull the boots on despite again despite your best efforts.
Quote from: orangeman on August 09, 2007, 10:36:32 AM
Heard that the Kerry fans aren't even travelling - they say they're waiting on the semi final and final - hopefully it will be next year when they're travelling. Come on Monaghan.
Some I know who live in Dublin are not going to the QF.
Don't worry there will be a few of us animals around on Sunday. Sure its not often we'll have 3 days out in Croke Park before we bring the turf home.
Was Kerry Mike hallucinating when he referred to the 'Kerry' jersey hanging in a window in 'Blayney last week? Is not the Faughs' jersey very similar, or am I hallucinating? :o
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 09, 2007, 11:46:28 AM
Was Kerry Mike hallucinating when he referred to the 'Kerry' jersey hanging in a window in 'Blayney last week? Is not the Faughs' jersey very similar, or am I hallucinating? :o
The Kerry Jersey is the same as the Faughs (Great teams think alike ;) ). However there is a possibility that some of the Kerry residents in town had it on display. There are a couple of families in the town that have strong ties to Kerry. But chances are it was a Blayney jersey, possibiliy for the Blayney Hurlers who won the County title last week.
Sláinte, so he was hallucinating, again :D
Quote from: bingobus on August 09, 2007, 12:10:36 PM
The Kerry Jersey is the same as the Faughs (Great teams think alike ;) ).
Bingobus is also hallucinating
Quote from: thebandit on August 09, 2007, 02:21:43 PM
Quote from: bingobus on August 09, 2007, 12:10:36 PM
The Kerry Jersey is the same as the Faughs (Great teams think alike ;) ).
Bingobus is also hallucinating
But when you read our history.......
I hear another Current player is to build out in Toome, next door to the ex-county keeper. No doubt you'll be knocking on his door. If you's manage to snare the offspring of these county players things will be looking bright for ye. Ye's might measure up to your famous neighbours (not the Cross neighbours)...on second thoughts I doubt it. ;D ;)
I see the County board are struggling with technical difficulties and tickets won't be available till 8pm this evening. Long evening ahead for some of us by looks of it!!
Here's a question - where did the name Faughs come from ? Somebody told me it was something to do with Fag an Bealach ( move out of the way / leave the road ) Any ideas ?
Where would you recommend watching the game in Blayney on Sunday BB, the Glencarn? Won't make it to Croke, but will be heading through the town about that time.
Quote from: orangeman on August 09, 2007, 02:31:42 PM
Here's a question - where did the name Faughs come from ? Somebody told me it was something to do with Fag an Bealach ( move out of the way / leave the road ) Any ideas ?
That's correct orangeman, used to be a Fag an Béalach team in Strabane way back too (county champs).
Quote from: orangeman on August 09, 2007, 02:31:42 PM
Here's a question - where did the name Faughs come from ? Somebody told me it was something to do with Fag an Bealach ( move out of the way / leave the road ) Any ideas ?
Thats basically it as far as I know. Is an old Irish saying and a few clubs/associations adopted it as a name. Not sure why we did, must check out the book on our history.
Correct me if I'm wrong but have the Irish Rangers division of the British Army also have it in their moto?
Quote from: bingobus on August 09, 2007, 02:30:27 PM
But when you read our history.......
Kerry have proven themselves outside their own wee pond, unlike the faughs!!!!
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I hear another Current player is to build out in Toome, next door to the ex-county keeper. No doubt you'll be knocking on his door. If you's manage to snare the offspring of these county players things will be looking bright for ye. Ye's might measure up to your famous neighbours (not the Cross neighbours)...on second thoughts I doubt it. ;D ;)
heard that one myself
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I see the County board are struggling with technical difficulties and tickets won't be available till 8pm this evening. Long evening ahead for some of us by looks of it!!
The county board are struggling with a brains deficiency...you must be on that text list as well.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 09, 2007, 02:32:15 PM
Where would you recommend watching the game in Blayney on Sunday BB, the Glencarn? Won't make it to Croke, but will be heading through the town about that time.
Depends what you want when watching it. I'm pretty sure that a large crowd will be leaving town for Dublin, so the pubs may be quiet. If you want a bot of grub then the Glen would be ideal, the crowd will porb be made up of Armagh families out for food, so expect children and others who may not be interested.
Up the street that pubs that should attract a bit of a crowd to watch it are Taveys (Vincent Taveys near Market House - real football pub), Dignams (would generally have a good Sunday crowd, drinking pub), Shebeen (At traffic lights - great big screen). Corrigans would also be good but would be similar to Glen (people eating).
If you want a bit of craic and not pushed on food I'd head to Taveys or Dignams.
Quote from: thebandit on August 09, 2007, 02:40:00 PM
Quote from: bingobus on August 09, 2007, 02:30:27 PM
But when you read our history.......
Kerry have proven themselves outside their own wee pond, unlike the faughs!!!!
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I hear another Current player is to build out in Toome, next door to the ex-county keeper. No doubt you'll be knocking on his door. If you's manage to snare the offspring of these county players things will be looking bright for ye. Ye's might measure up to your famous neighbours (not the Cross neighbours)...on second thoughts I doubt it. ;D ;)
heard that one myself
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I see the County board are struggling with technical difficulties and tickets won't be available till 8pm this evening. Long evening ahead for some of us by looks of it!!
The county board are struggling with a brains deficiency...you must be on that text list as well.
Well three Ulster clubs isn't too bad outside the pond plus numerous Gold watch tournements when they where taken seriously!!!
I'd say the county board are struggling with their dinner order and the steaks are delayed by a hour. Some serious eaters on board!! The sooner you get a bigger role the better ;D ;)
Thanks BB, great info.
Quote from: bingobus on August 09, 2007, 02:39:28 PM
Quote from: orangeman on August 09, 2007, 02:31:42 PM
Here's a question - where did the name Faughs come from ? Somebody told me it was something to do with Fag an Bealach ( move out of the way / leave the road ) Any ideas ?
Thats basically it as far as I know. Is an old Irish saying and a few clubs/associations adopted it as a name. Not sure why we did, must check out the book on our history.
Correct me if I'm wrong but have the Irish Rangers division of the British Army also have it in their moto?
Faughs comes from Fág an bealach meaning "get out of the way". It is believed that this derives from an attept to steamroll their neighbours!!
There is an Army link as well I believe - were the Faughs referred to as the Gladstones in their early years?
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 09, 2007, 02:32:15 PM
Where would you recommend watching the game in Blayney on Sunday BB, the Glencarn? Won't make it to Croke, but will be heading through the town about that time.
Don't bother with Blaney ;D Come to sunny Monaghan Town instead ;D ;D , Cosy bar , Glaslough street , 17 tv's , seats about 40 !!!
No food , no screaming brats and cheap pints!!!
Quote from: thebandit on August 09, 2007, 02:48:57 PM
Quote from: bingobus on August 09, 2007, 02:39:28 PM
Quote from: orangeman on August 09, 2007, 02:31:42 PM
Here's a question - where did the name Faughs come from ? Somebody told me it was something to do with Fag an Bealach ( move out of the way / leave the road ) Any ideas ?
Thats basically it as far as I know. Is an old Irish saying and a few clubs/associations adopted it as a name. Not sure why we did, must check out the book on our history.
Correct me if I'm wrong but have the Irish Rangers division of the British Army also have it in their moto?
Faughs comes from Fág an bealach meaning "get out of the way". It is believed that this derives from an attept to steamroll their neighbours!!
There is an Army link as well I believe - were the Faughs referred to as the Gladstones in their early years?
Correct on the Gladstones. As for streamrolling their neighbours...I only wish we could!! Do you hire streamrollers?
Quote from: The Subbie on August 09, 2007, 02:53:00 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 09, 2007, 02:32:15 PM
Where would you recommend watching the game in Blayney on Sunday BB, the Glencarn? Won't make it to Croke, but will be heading through the town about that time.
Don't bother with Blaney ;D Come to sunny Monaghan Town instead ;D ;D , Cosy bar , Glaslough street , 17 tv's , seats about 40 !!!
No food , no screaming brats and cheap pints!!!
Sláinte Subbie, I'll see how the time's going when passing through the county. Muineachán abú!
Fear , I would reckon thatwhatever pub you go to in Co Mhuineachain from Aclint bridge to Moy bridge you'll have no bother getting a seat ;D ;D ;D
It's not the seat, it's the craic, if there's anyone left in the county! ;)
http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/sport/2007/0809/1186424956100.html (http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/sport/2007/0809/1186424956100.html)
I read there that the Kerry trainer John Sugrue thinks that too much has been made of the long lay off for Kerry.
There is not much else to grasp onto so it's only to be expected that the one possible chink in Kerry's preparation would get a wee bit of attention.
"As team trainer, Sugrue is ultimately responsible for ensuring Kerry are hitting peak fitness when it matters most"
"Matters most" :)
If the Monaghan clubs havent got their tickets by now its a joke. Very hard to get them distributed so quick. Also some people will panic and make alternative arrangements and the tickets might not all be sold. If they dont sell all the tickets there wont be an opportunity to put them on general sale. Whats the hold up been?
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on August 09, 2007, 06:45:54 PM
If the Monaghan clubs havent got their tickets by now its a joke. Very hard to get them distributed so quick. Also some people will panic and make alternative arrangements and the tickets might not all be sold. If they dont sell all the tickets there wont be an opportunity to put them on general sale. Whats the hold up been?
Ineptitude
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on August 09, 2007, 06:45:54 PM
If the Monaghan clubs havent got their tickets by now its a joke. Very hard to get them distributed so quick. Also some people will panic and make alternative arrangements and the tickets might not all be sold. If they dont sell all the tickets there wont be an opportunity to put them on general sale. Whats the hold up been?
We got our tickets tonight...welll part of them. Didn't get the family tickets. They won't be ready till tomorrow evening at seven!! (Yet they were all sitting piled up in Cloghan when we collected ours) Crazy stuff....just finished sorting through our allocation about half a hour a go. We still have to distribute them and collect the cash. As you say I'm sure some will have made alternative arrangements. As for the quality...as Thebandit said, not great. Majority under Cusack in the corner including one ticket on its own a distance a way from any other ticket. Best was eight tickets in the same row.
I know that its not easy but christ, kids still won't have their tickets till tomorrow night or Saturday morning. One woman has rung every day as the kids are going banana's!!! Plus the county board are charging €2 handling charge on each ticket. I know Ticketmaster charge it but do other county boards charge this tyope of fee. This fee would easily pay a few extra hands to sort the tickets out in time.
Rant over...just glad they aren't scare like in Dublin ???
Usual Monaghan Co Board efficiency there lads , are we at all surprised ??? This carry on with the €2 handling fee is just pure greed nothing more and nothing less , I actually met the Co Board treasurer and had this out with out with her after the Ulster Final , the answer i got was the lads will want a holiday and the training centre has to be paid for and plenty of other co boards do the same thing, well i got busy and asked a few lads around the country and to the best of my knowledge , and I am open to correction here , Monaghan is the only Co Board to have this practise.
Don't want to start whinging on what is sure to be a great weekend but Monaghan co board are up there with Ticketmaster etc etc when it comes to ripping the last € out of your pocket.
Rant over , let the games begin ;)
We got nothing but hill tickets and upper canals.
Talk about dumping on the smaller clubs.
Thursday night was way too late to give us the tickets, as for the Friday distribution of Family tickets - its a disgrace.
For the last number of years '05 & '06 the Kerry county board imposed a €10 entry into a draw as part of the ticket for the All-Ireland final.
Consequently, €60 stand tickets effectively cost €70 and terrace ticket cost €40. It is official touting really.
For an All-Ireland final, they had no shortage of takers for the tickets. Still the greatest touts of all are Ticket master with their 10% handling fee.
Looking forward to the full house on Sunday, a nice crowd (7-8k) seem to be going from Kerry. I am expecting a close match with us pulling through late on.
Quote from: SuperDooperCooper on August 10, 2007, 10:37:39 AM
For the last number of years '05 & '06 the Kerry county board imposed a €10 entry into a draw as part of the ticket for the All-Ireland final.
Consequently, €60 stand tickets effectively cost €70 and terrace ticket cost €40. It is official touting really.
For an All-Ireland final, they had no shortage of takers for the tickets. Still the greatest touts of all are Ticket master with their 10% handling fee.
Looking forward to the full house on Sunday, a nice crowd (7-8k) seem to be going from Kerry. I am expecting a close match with us pulling through late on.
Jaysus, ye must be worried about us!! An here's me thinking ye would be all travelling up together in a people carrier ;)
Thebandit,
I don't think its a matter of a small club getting dumped on. I thinks its a matter of the county board not giving a dam about other clubs apart from their own. We got very few lower level tickets and those we did get were partically end line tickets. A lot of our committee members had actually bought their tickets off ticketmaster when they first came out so that they could choose their seats and get them all together (plus they begrude the €2 charge towards the new suits). To show how little thought is put into it, ask the blayney hurling club where their tickets were for? (Lower Hogan, central sections, they actually overordered and where sending these tickets back till the Gunner intercepted them!!!)
It's allright being a tout as long as you're an official approved tout !!
You hit the nail on the head there Bingobus, parishpump politics is at blackbelt level in the Co Board.
Spoke to a few lads in Monaghan last night , these lads would play for 2 different North Monaghan clubs , they got their tickets through ticketmaster on the Monday after the Donegal match , one group of 16 all together and another group of 11 again all together , fair enough they are in the canal end but the fact remains they would not be guaranteed that both groups could remain together when applying to the county board.
Its the old story lads that actually play and take an active part in the association are shat on.
Quote from: The Subbie on August 10, 2007, 11:29:34 AM
Its the old story lads that actually play and take an active part in the association are shat on.
Lets not get carried away - at least you'll have tickets! And you'd be likely to have tickets for an AI final if it was ever to happen.
There are many dedicated fans, such as myself, not aligned to any club (in my case, living outside the county), who rely on tickets going on general sale.
My first Monaghan game this year involved getting soaked in the luxurious surrounds of Irvinestown for the McKenna Cup clash with Fermanagh. there weren't too many taking 'an active part' that day, or all through the league for that matter.
At the end of the day, should we not just be happy to be getting a ticket? Ticketmaster didn't have great tickets when i got mine - only lower Canal end. I'd guess that the Hurling counties got the pick of the tickets.
Also, with regard the €2 fee on tickets - do people really begrudge paying that? As has been said, the county training facilities have to be paid for - and many feel that there's a direct correlation with the standard of new facilities and the progress of the county team we are currently seeing.
If i was told at the start of the year that the good news was we'd get to Croke Park, but the bad news was we'd have to pay an extra €2, i'd have been saying 'there's no bad news'!
Maguire , I could'nt disagree with anything you have said in you last post and you are indeed correct that €2 is'nt much, however the clubs have been paying forthe training complex in Cremartin now for I don't know how long.
Do central council or Croke park or whatever faceless body that issues tickets levy a €2 handling fee on Monaghan Co Board ? I don't think so .
As for tickets for the All Ireland final ......... we'll wait till monday and see what pans out ;D
Maguire,
What you have posted is fairly to the point and is fair enough.
But as Subbie has pointed out, the clubs have been funding the centre to date, as has the Lottery, Central council etc. From our run in the championship the County board will receive a bigger slice of the pie from Gate receipts, Tv etc. So to then take a cheap buck of the ordinary public, your supporter base, is unfair in my opinion.
The hard work is actually done by the clubs - inform members of ticket availability, phone calls all week to take ticket orders, complie lists of names, collect cash for tickets, distribute tickets, allocate tickets. The county board seem to be just handed totals by the club and then hand a lump of tickets to them, ask for a blank cheque and job done. (At this stage it is that easy for them as they have always got what they ask for).
Maybe its just people who deal with the county board on a regualr basis, know how hard and difficult they can be.
Its all good and sunny now but they've started the ball running and will this €2 charge still be place in three years time when the crowds are gone and croke park is a distant memory. Is it a case of, demands there, lets milk it and buy another nice suit for oursleves?
The bad tickets doesn't annoy me so much - we are one of the worst clubs in the county, so fair is fair I suppose.
But getting the last of your tickets at 7pm on Friday evening - disgraceful.
The abuse I'm getting is crazy - one club member (involved in nothing) said they were due hogan tickets from me as they do business with me...... I wouldn't tolerate that sort of shite for a second, private affairs being nothing to do with the club. But I'm sure it goes on in other clubs.
All the best to the farney, derry will be getting behind you whether we win lose or draw!
Scanlon starting midfield for Kerry, seen him a few times this year and not convinced.
Tommy Freeman 8/1 for first goal, get it on|!!
Quote from: thebandit on August 10, 2007, 02:58:04 PM
The bad tickets doesn't annoy me so much - we are one of the worst clubs in the county, so fair is fair I suppose.
But getting the last of your tickets at 7pm on Friday evening - disgraceful.
The abuse I'm getting is crazy - one club member (involved in nothing) said they were due hogan tickets from me as they do business with me...... I wouldn't tolerate that sort of shite for a second, private affairs being nothing to do with the club. But I'm sure it goes on in other clubs.
Its never easy handing out the tickets, some real hard calls to be made and I'm sure when people get their envelopes thay'll be on to us about their tickets. You shouldn't deserve bad tickets becuse you's are one of the worst clubs in the county...who says so? They should put a bit of effort into it and try and allocate each club a even spread of tickets, good and bad, be it based on membership, previous allocations or actual requests.
I would agree thats it crazy getting the last bunch of tickets at 7pm on a Friday of a match and as for your man using the business man...well its just wrong but exactly what some small minded people would expect. I'm sure you's would survive without his business.
Ps. Can I use the "we're the worst club in the county" line when I see you in Taveys on Sunday night ;D ;D
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/prediction_league.html (http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/prediction_league.html)
Eileen Dunne is on our side - we can't possibly lose now!
But in all seriousness, it's been a while since absolutely no previews have tipped us.
Will Monagan be able to sell their allocation at this stage? I dont know if its your county board but this seems to be a complete shambles. Tickets should have been with county board by late last week and with clubs Monday this week. To expect people to wait to a Friday or Saturday before a match is a joke. Good luck, really hope you's can do it.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on August 10, 2007, 06:40:36 PM
Will Monagan be able to sell their allocation at this stage? I dont know if its your county board but this seems to be a complete shambles. Tickets should have been with county board by late last week and with clubs Monday this week. To expect people to wait to a Friday or Saturday before a match is a joke. Good luck, really hope you's can do it.
Have the majority of our tickets out and most clubs are having them collected at clubhouses tonight. Alot of phone calls all day, looking for additional tickets, swapping, reassuring etc but all is in hand and all tickets will be distirbuted. People are actually ending up with doubled up tickets due to the delay in getting into their hands...if they are offered tickets they'll take them.
When the dust settles questions will have to be asked.
From "The Kingdom" newspaper.
Cooper's smile is back
By: Kieran McCarthy
IT'S rare, if ever, that a health warning is issued with a football piece but this is one of those once-in-a-lifetime occasions.
So, to prevent a mass epidemic of fear sweeping across Monaghan, the good folk of the Ulster county are kindly asked to stop reading now, put the paper down and continue about their everyday life, oblivious to the information that will follow.
Well, with that out of the way, let's get down to the good news, if you're a Kerry supporter that is.
There's no need for any quirky language this time because this story sells itself. Are you ready? Here we go.
Colm Cooper is ready to let his football talents explode once more. We don't have to say anymore.
By his own admission, the Killarney man has failed to reproduce the performances of his early inter-county career but, now, he feels he is on the right track. He can feel himself getting better. He is enjoying his football once more. The smile is back.
No doubt, some Monaghan supporters paid little heed to the earlier warning and they are now try to pick themselves up off the ground, their legs still shaking in shock. Their impossible task just got that much harder. Speaking to The Kingdom, Cooper revealed that he is happy with his current form though he does concede that there is room for improvement. "Last year was a real roller-coaster for me and the team. Everyone knows that we suffered at the start of the championship before we came good in the knock-out stage. I'd hold my hand up and admit my form wasn't as good as it could have been," the AIB bank official said. "I probably haven't played we well as I did earlier in my career but I'm slowly getting back there. There is room for improvement the whole time and I know this. The challenge for me is to scale the heights of a few years ago. "Like the team this year, I have been effective without ever being brilliant but, hopefully, my performances will get better and better as the championship goes on," he added.
The popular Killarney man admits that having the huge presence of Kieran Donaghy in at full forward is making life that bit easier for him. "Star has been great at full forward. He gives us loads of different options and he has helped me and Mike Frank (Russell)," he said. "He has taken a good few bits from the basketball court to the football field and he has definitely added a different dimension to our attack. "He is very good at breaking the ball down and it's up to the other forwards to get in on them and try and turn them into scores," he said. The most famous number 13 in the land agrees that Monaghan are the surprise packed of the season but that doesn't mean that they should be under-estimated. "Every year there is a side that comes out of nowhere to do well. West-meath did it a few years back and you could say that it's Monaghan's turn this season," Cooper said. "At the start of the championship I don't think many people would have thought that Monaghan would be involved at this stage so great credit must go to them. "They are a formidable team. Their results so far highlight that. Bur this didn't just happen overnight. They have been together for the last four or five years so they have been working away the whole time. They are getting their rewards now. "It's a big game for them, as it is for us, and I'm sure that they will be looking forward to playing Kerry in Croke Park," he added.
Quote from: Frank Casey on August 10, 2007, 07:00:16 PM
So, to prevent a mass epidemic of fear sweeping across Monaghan, the good folk of the Ulster county are kindly asked to stop reading now, put the paper down and continue about their everyday life, oblivious to the information that will follow.
Is 'The Kingdom' newspaper actually a comic?
Quote from: Maguire01 on August 10, 2007, 07:51:23 PM
Quote from: Frank Casey on August 10, 2007, 07:00:16 PM
So, to prevent a mass epidemic of fear sweeping across Monaghan, the good folk of the Ulster county are kindly asked to stop reading now, put the paper down and continue about their everyday life, oblivious to the information that will follow.
Is 'The Kingdom' newspaper actually a comic?
With pictures too.
Whats the story regarding Tommy Freeman?Heard he has stitiches in his hand before the ulster final from an injury at work. Since then apparently his hand has been infected, had surgry on sunday and is now in a cast. He's bound to be very doubtful for this sunday!
Quote from: chuck hughes on August 10, 2007, 09:43:54 PM
Whats the story regarding Tommy Freeman?Heard he has stitiches in his hand before the ulster final from an injury at work. Since then apparently his hand has been infected, had surgry on sunday and is now in a cast. He's bound to be very doubtful for this sunday!
Was told tonight its ok. He was 50/50 till Tuesday night when he trained the full session with no reaction. Alot of stories about it round county but hopefully are only that..stories.
Will ye stop moaning about tickets. Check www.aaroadwatch.ie for directions to Croke Park and read this from the oracle of the Kingdom "The Kerryman" newspaper.
"NOTHING stirs the blood of football followers more emphatically than a championship clash between Kerry and Dublin and it could be coming your way fairly soon because if both sides win just one more game they will line up against each other in the All-Ireland semi-final at on August 26. Now, that's an inviting prospect because after a fairly humdrum season there is room for one really good championship battle before winter comes " not that it isn"t like winter already.
Quote from: Frank Casey on August 11, 2007, 12:12:36 AM
Will ye stop moaning about tickets. Check www.aaroadwatch.ie for directions to Croke Park and read this from the oracle of the Kingdom "The Kerryman" newspaper.
"NOTHING stirs the blood of football followers more emphatically than a championship clash between Kerry and Dublin and it could be coming your way fairly soon because if both sides win just one more game they will line up against each other in the All-Ireland semi-final at on August 26. Now, that's an inviting prospect because after a fairly humdrum season there is room for one really good championship battle before winter comes " not that it isn"t like winter already.
you posted a a bit after 12am frank. so in the kingdom of rural....your drunk... tis a HUMDRUM of a season for ye cause ye had only waterford and an overated cork side to play. one wonders mmmmmmmmmmmm i wonder if hurling wasnt the king pin of sport in munster would kerry have soooo many all irelands... its all tooo easy for ye down there... ya muppet !!!!!
and yes i know what your thinkin.... tougher games against connacht, ulster, and leinster, in semis and finals... but the %s are in your favour seen as munster is soooo easy to come out of in football.
No matter what way you roll the dice, change the rules, introduce the back door and maybe in the future have an open draw you will find that Kerry will still average their three AI per decade. Enough of attempting to beat Kerry with a stick as it's getting very repetitious and boring at this stage. Instead go try to match their skill and consistency with out moaning and bitching all the time. Is it just an Irish trend to try and find fault and even start to hate our best?
Where is the respect I ask, where is the respect? :)
Quote from: Seamus on August 11, 2007, 04:56:03 AM
No matter what way you roll the dice, change the rules, introduce the back door and maybe in the future have an open draw you will find that Kerry will still average their three AI per decade. Enough of attempting to beat Kerry with a stick as it's getting very repetitious and boring at this stage. Instead go try to match their skill and consistency with out moaning and bitching all the time. Is it just an Irish trend to try and find fault and even start to hate our best?
Where is the respect I ask, where is the respect? :)
Well it's not here! Not much respect for Monaghan....
QuoteNOTHING stirs the blood of football followers more emphatically than a championship clash between Kerry and Dublin and it could be coming your way fairly soon because if both sides win just one more game they will line up against each other in the All-Ireland semi-final at on August 26. Now, that's an inviting prospect because after a fairly humdrum season there is room for one really good championship battle before winter comes " not that it isn"t like winter already.
This is me - signing off early, away to Dublin for the weekend. Roll on 2pm tomorrow and let's hope that by 4 we'll still be there!
Quote from: gwan-ye-boy-ya on August 11, 2007, 02:29:27 AM
Quote from: Frank Casey on August 11, 2007, 12:12:36 AM
Will ye stop moaning about tickets. Check www.aaroadwatch.ie for directions to Croke Park and read this from the oracle of the Kingdom "The Kerryman" newspaper.
"NOTHING stirs the blood of football followers more emphatically than a championship clash between Kerry and Dublin and it could be coming your way fairly soon because if both sides win just one more game they will line up against each other in the All-Ireland semi-final at on August 26. Now, that's an inviting prospect because after a fairly humdrum season there is room for one really good championship battle before winter comes " not that it isn"t like winter already.
you posted a a bit after 12am frank. so in the kingdom of rural....your drunk... tis a HUMDRUM of a season for ye cause ye had only waterford and an overated cork side to play. one wonders mmmmmmmmmmmm i wonder if hurling wasnt the king pin of sport in munster would kerry have soooo many all irelands... its all tooo easy for ye down there... ya muppet !!!!!
That hurt. But anyway.
The status of hurling in the other Munster counties may be something but it does not and cannot explain Kerry's success in the All Ireland Series. Eg on average Kerry have one All Ireland per two Munster titles. In Cork's case its one per six. We're just better when we get on the road to croker.
All right, Monaghan, county of my birth, you're our last chance. Let's see a great game.
Quote from: bingobus on August 10, 2007, 03:11:52 PM
[Ps. Can I use the "we're the worst club in the county" line when I see you in Taveys on Sunday night ;D ;D
I said one of the worst .... If you start that I'll look for correct addresses for some so-called 'Blayney men'!!!!
Good piece on Paul Galvin by Vincent Hogan in yesterday's Indo. I particularly liked the insight on the Aussie thugs.
Outsider on the inside looking back out
By Vincent Hogan
Saturday August 11 2007
"He was grim and cold, he was bad and bold. He was Dangerous Dan McGrew."
YOU don't know him and you probably don't much like him. He understands. That comes with the territory.
All his life, Paul Galvin has found strength in isolation. In picking at private sores. He belongs to a county where footballers, traditionally, have music in their feet. Jazz mostly. Sax and trombone and clarinet. Lazy rhythms. Then they pluck this kid from Lixnaw, hurling territory. A sworn rocker.
This stuff was never in Galvin's dreams. He never went to an All-Ireland homecoming in his life. His only vivid childhood memory of Kerry winning the Sam Maguire is of '86, his Ma roaring at the TV set as Micko's boys came back against Tyrone. He was seven at the time and, when it ended, he went back to the lawn with his hurley.
Football, to him, meant Manchester United. Glamour. A kid's pipedream. Later, he would play a bit with Listowel Celtic, but he was first and foremost a hurling boy. An outsider.
In his remarkable book, Keys to the Kingdom, Jack O'Connor devotes almost three pages to Galvin. He talks of him being "work sometimes", of him having "a tendency to get in trouble on the pitch". But O'Connor is unequivocal about what he brings to Kerry.
Describing Galvin as "the answer to a pile of worries", he says of his type "they'd be my men, hard bastards who'd go through walls for you. I can't get enough of those fellas around the place. They set the tone."
PAUL GALVIN leads a kind of double-life and some see one as being incompatible with the other.
He is a school-teacher. By all accounts, a good one. Next month, he takes up a new post at St Brendan's in Killarney, gentler waters after eight years across 'enemy lines' at Coláiste Chríost Rí in Cork. Last year, when he was sent off in the All-Ireland quarter-final against Armagh, some pundits set upon his character with a scalpel.
On television, one referred to him as "a corner-boy", seeing fit - it seemed - to question his suitability for the classroom. Another, in a Sunday newspaper, offered the view that "if there were All Stars awarded for acting the bollix, Galvin would win all 15". His family chose not to travel to the All-Ireland semi-final against Cork.
He rode the storm. He seethed.
This isn't the story of a wounded angel though. Galvin doesn't profess to any purity of soul. In Keys to the Kingdom, O'Connor also reveals his possession of a "little black book", in which Galvin writes down the names of people who "pissed him off".
That image expresses an ocean. Galvin's strength is his capacity to channel energy, good and bad. To remember who he is, where he came from and what brought him here.
"I have to keep proving myself," he says impassively. "And, to do that, I have to keep working very, very hard. Maybe this feeling of being an outsider is what keeps me going. The slights I might have had along the way. I always keep them in my head.
"I would never think of myself as an established player. You can't in Kerry. Maybe some of the greats can, fellas like Darragh Ó Sé and Gooch. But I'm not a Gooch. I have to keep on the edge and that means always having an angle.
"I'd be quite conspiratorial the way I work out things in my own mind."
His first three Championship games pretty much armed him for the hard road. Clare, Cork, then Limerick in '04. He was taken off. He was dropped. His marker got the TV vote for man of the match. The tea leaves had only bad news.
Accolades
Yet, he hung tough. Kerry won the All-Ireland, Galvin collected the 1,000th All Star. Last season, they got the old canister again and Galvin made another All Star selection. Two All-Irelands and two All Stars in three seasons. Not a bad haul for a hurling boy.
He loves this life now, yet it makes him wonder too.
His best friend on the Kerry panel used to be Eamonn Fitzmaurice. Eamonn didn't make the cut this year and retired. Watching him leave set Galvin thinking about the strange tyranny of the lives they lead. Fitzmaurice won more than most as a player but, when his time was up, he just left with a pat on the back. That jarred a little.
You see, not long ago, Jimmy Deenihan told Galvin a story of this year's Munster final day in Killarney. He stores it now.
Jimmy, an old Kerry legend and a stalwart with Finuge (where Galvin plays his club football), met an American at the game. The American had, literally, just followed the crowd out of curiosity to Fizgerald Stadium. He'd bought a ticket at the stile. He'd sat, slack-jawed through the contest.
Coming away, he tried to articulate his sense of wonder to Deenihan. At the atmosphere. The pace of the game. The physicality. Then Deenihan told him something that the American just wouldn't swallow.
That the stars of the show were amateurs. Ordinary boys who'd be working on Monday morning. And the American spun away from him, all but slapping his sides, laughing maniacally. Hooting at the thought of it. Amateurs indeed. Hysterical.
"Do you know this party line fellas have about pay-for-play?" says Galvin now, stiffening in his chair. "Where they say 'No, we don't want that. We just want to be looked after better.' I think that's a joke. Just fellas being politically correct.
"I was interviewed for a magazine recently and I said 'Yeah, I'd love pay-for-play!' And the fella interviewing me said 'Maybe we better not say that.' Why not? Why take the big step of letting the soccer and rugby boys into Croke Park, why be that open-minded and still push amateurism on the boys who have made the GAA what it is?
"I don't think the GAA can justify it much longer. Players are going to resent this when they see all the money being generated. I mean Kerry look after us well, but something dramatic is going to happen in the GAA. It has to.
"They can no longer justify what's going on. How much bigger is it going to get? I just think it's a joke at this stage and I've no bother saying it."
You ask him if he is a member of the GPA?
"No!"
Why?
"I'm just not, that's it. I was, but I'm not now."
You were unimpressed?
"Yerra, I'm not too sure what's going on there."
In what way?
"I don't know what they're doing. They need to get a hold of something. Of an issue and nail it."
He changes the subject. He wants to be sure that the interview doesn't depict him as a moaner. This isn't his thing. He has mixed views of media and how they dress things. They like to pigeon-hole. To caricature. To view everything in straight lines.
Of late, he senses he's being prejudged. In the Munster final, he was booked for his part in an altercation with Cork's Noel O'Leary. Yet, TV pictures showed O'Leary's boot swinging in Galvin's direction. The Cork man served a one-month suspension.
Galvin says that he is paying for how people see him.
He talks of another incident in that game, of tracking back and tackling James Masters as he came in along the end-line. Of a free being given and a point being scored. "It was never a foul," he argues.
"But I can sense it coming now. You just give a dog a bad name. That day against Cork, I just knew that my reputation had gone before me. Especially from last year and the big hullabaloo. The way I was labelled by certain pundits. Referees definitely have their eye on me now.
"The Sunday Game was only the tip of the iceberg last year. Look, I'm not moaning about it. It didn't affect me high up or low down last year. I mean I've been in scrapes since I was that high (spreading his palm about a foot from the ground). I know I'm no angel.
"But maybe it's having an effect on how people judge me this summer."
THIS IS NO apologia for what's gone before. It can't be. Galvin has been in enough bad places to know that there's a price to pay.
Not long after Kerry's defeat to Tyrone in the 2005 All-Ireland final, he was sent off while playing for Finuge against Ballylongford in the North Kerry final. A young Ballylongford player sustained a broken jaw in the incident, for which Galvin received a six-month suspension (subsequently cut to four after representations to the injured player's family from Jack O'Connor).
He understands too that, had Armagh won last year's quarter-final, the repercussions could have been ruinous to his inter-county career.
Galvin admits: "I was praying on the sideline, saying 'God, don't let this go wrong'. We won that game but, for a while, it was close to going belly-up. Don't think I don't know that. Because, if it had, I'd be gone. I might never have got a Kerry jersey again. That's how close it was.
"That day I was silly. It could have blown up in my face. I'm always conscious of that. Of the need to be careful. But then, I'm no good if ... Look, I can't stroll out there like Gooch and wait for it to happen."
Regrets? He's had plenty. But his style invites conflict. He is ravenous (and fearless) in pursuit of a ball. He plays without compromise. He hunts, scavenges, presses the space around a ball-carrier. In other words, he's not quite cut from the traditional stone of a Kerry footballer.
Galvin's a maverick who, maybe, occasionally suffers for his difference.
"Maybe there's been one or two incidents I regret," he accepts.
"But I've been sent off only once with Kerry. So, sometimes, I just don't know what it's all about. Maybe it's because people associate Kerry football with the greats, the Mikeys, the Jackos and the Gooches.
"Then I come along and I'm doing stuff Kerry footballers aren't supposed to do.
"I mean, sometimes I look at it and I wonder where did I get the name from? Who have I ever lamped? Who have I ever opened up? Who have I ever stamped on or head-butted? Or punched? Or kicked? Really? One red card in 30-odd games for Kerry? It doesn't really stand up.
"I'm not painting myself as an angel, because I'm not. Have I done a few things I regretted? I have probably, yeah. I might say to myself 'I shouldn't have done that. But it's done now. You can't go back. Power on.'"
Reputation
Famously, he was sin-binned before the ball had even been thrown in for last year's infamous second Test in the now suspended International Rules series against Australia.
The game descended into a wretched fiasco and Galvin watched the first 18 minutes from the sideline.
He had been drawn into an altercation with a muscle-bound Aussie called Chance Bateman.
His memories of the day capture the prevailing thread of farce.
"Sure we were walking around in the parade beforehand and the Aussies were yapping over at (Graham) Geraghty, 'We're going to f***ing get you!' All this s**t. And I'm just going 'Aw man! Am I mad here?'
"Next thing, this guy comes at me, all dreadlocks, shouting and hopping off me. So I just let fly once or twice. Sure, t'was the only way. Because he was going to do it if I didn't. And that was that. I missed the worst of it.
"I couldn't believe it when I got to the line. Tadhg (Kennelly) was on the ground in agony.
"I mean I'm off before the ball has even been thrown in and I'm wondering 'How did he get here before me?'
"But he'd just been nailed by a team-mate from Aussie Rules. A knee into the back.
"When I heard Hall had done Tadhg, I was thinking 'Anything goes here, I might be safer where I am'."
The series left Galvin with a low opinion of the visitors and their motives.
He senses they just travelled with a bully's charter.
"I remember one guy, especially," he says. "Massive, with black hair. He had no interest in playing at all. For the two games, he was just acting the maggot. So why did they bring him?
"They brought a lot of guys like that. Guys with no interest. All they wanted was to break us up and laugh at us then. They're looking at us as bums, amateurs. Laughing at us. There's no respect. That's the problem I have. The Aussie boys look down on us because we're amateurs.
"And yet, a lot of them are only mouth. If you do go for them, they're not too sure what to do. All they do is give off the oul' macho image. But, when they have to back it up, some of them can't. Looking back, we probably had a team that was too young and too light. They didn't do that to the John McDermotts, did they?"
Would he play the game again? His response is admirably honest. "Well, you take a selfish view. Would I like to go to Australia for three weeks? Yes, I would."
TOMORROW, the challenge is to rope down Monaghan now the other bulwarks of Ulster football - Armagh and Tyrone - have been breached.
Galvin daren't glimpse beyond it. He suggests that Kerry's form has been "scratchy" this summer and that the six-week break from the Munster final leaves them, essentially, starting cold. There is also the sense of still acclimatising to a new voice in the dressing-room.
O'Connor placed a big trust in Galvin and he likes to think he repaid that. But yesterday is history and history is worthless now.
"Jack is no good to me now," he says. "We had plenty of run-ins, but I'm inclined to have them anyway. I tend to talk straight. But it's all about Pat O'Shea for me now. And Pat owes me nothing. So the ball's in my court again. It's up to me to prove myself, to prove I'm good enough."
Same as it ever was.
I'm taking Monaghan to scrape through - 2 pt victory - why do I set myself up for this ridicule I wonder??
monaghan on top early on and look sharp. are we in for a shock?
monghan 4 up. looks like the 6 week break has done kerry harm.
Harsh tellow for Mone, but Clerkin lucky to get away with high tackle on the Tyroneman.
Monaghan wasting too much ball, think Kerry will claw them back soon, Mon still 3 up though.
Gppd save, Woods should have took his point. Kerry FB line doing well. Some 'meaty' challenges. Mon need to keep discipline though, giving Kerry handy frees.
0.8 1.5 now. Two YC in Mon FB line now, wonder will they have to bring Corey bck again?
plenty of big hits going in. tyrone never even put a shoulder in last week.
Hugely enjoyable game. C'mon Monaghan!
Definate square ball. No goal Star.
Great Tommy Freeman point
Really hope Kerry pull through this one, not sure I could listen to the whinging.
I could listen to them whinging all year.
I'll be amazed if Monaghan survive with 15 men. Galvin taken off, not hitting hard enough.
Kerry playng shite, Monaghan have a chance but need to tack on scores
Monaghan edging it a bit, pure grit.
15 mins left 3 pts clear
Donaghy's first catch...side netting..let off for Farneys.
Point of the game from Hanratty. 1.9 - 0.9
Goal Kerry
Feck and it was from a Monaghan knock down.
Still the game is there for monaghan
Point Monaghan - Hanratty fouled.
Hanratty could have been through for goal, 'professional' foul from Kerry 1.10 1.9
Great battle ........... nearly a goal for Monaghan....45m wide by Monaghan keeper
Brilliant block from Mark O'se on Freeman.
Muppet either you are seriously fast on the keyboard, or my internet feed is about 10 seconds behind you. :)
Still there for Monaghan. MFR off. Finlay point...2 up 8 minutes left
C'Monaghan!!!
Monaghan battling for every scrap of possession. 6 minutes...2 points could do it for them
Any one smell a replay?
Tomás Sé winning lots of breaks. 1 point game, please not a replay
Quote from: tyssam5 on August 12, 2007, 03:25:30 PM
Any one smell a replay?
Aye or I can see kerry's experience coming through.
Experience at winning tight games?
experience in that they've been here before.
kerry take 1 point lead.
Worst shot in the history of football...and he could have carried
REf shoulda give a free to Mon though,
Finlay or Freeman have to do it now
Quote from: pintsofguinness on August 12, 2007, 03:29:54 PM
experience in that they've been here before.
kerry take 1 point lead.
Well Pints you were right enough
Quote from: tyssam5 on August 12, 2007, 03:33:45 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on August 12, 2007, 03:29:54 PM
experience in that they've been here before.
kerry take 1 point lead.
Well Pints you were right enough
:-\ pity though
hard luck monaghan
Kerry pulled through well and got the breaks, also Coldrick helped them out a bit at the end.
Great entertainment...hard luck Monaghan great effort. deserved a draw....couple of 50/50 calls at the end needed to go the other way.
That's sickening, fierce tough on Monaghan. Coldrick did them no favours, same old story.
Cork, Super Dubs, Kerry and Meath - is there surely no way that they could all lose?
Well, the GAA have got what they wanted, a Dublin Kerry semi.....and sure so what if the ref helped them, at least none of those dirty nordies got through.
How can Dara O'Se kick a man in the head right in front of the ref and nothing get done.
Kerry played a very good last 10 mins.
I thought Monaghan had it just before that.
It's painfull.
The ref was a bit quick off the mark with the whistle - they barely played during the 3 mins injury time, and there should have been a lot more than that anyway.
If the keeper had managed the 50, it would have made all the difference imo. Fair play to Monaghan, dirty shower, but by feck they're committed and fit.
Hard luck to Monaghan, but Kerry lorded midfield in the last ten minutes and got the scores. You have to admire their belief, composure and tenacity (especially when you come from somewhere like Donegal!).
I wonder will the Monaghan lad who missed that last chance get the same abuse Eoin Bradley did?
Hard luck to Monaghan. Thought they were the better team on the day.
Ref didn't do them any favours especially in the last 7 or 8 minutes when Monaghan should have had two frees for late tackles and Dara O'Se's dangerous swinging boot.
Quote from: rory on August 12, 2007, 03:36:30 PM
Well, the GAA have got what they wanted, a Dublin Kerry semi.....and sure so what if the ref helped them, at least none of those dirty nordies got through.
How can Dara O'Se kick a man in the head right in front of the ref and nothing get done.
Given the choice between 'dirty nordies' and the shower who think it's their birthright to win AI's, then it's nordies for me every time.
Also, note your second line - is that not 'dirt'? Par for the course from O'Sé. But it's Kerry so they get away with it.
Quote from: J70 on August 12, 2007, 03:39:58 PM
Hard luck to Monaghan, but Kerry lorded midfield in the last ten minutes and got the scores. You have to admire their belief, composure and tenacity (especially when you come from somewhere like Donegal!).
I wonder will the Monaghan lad who missed that last chance get the same abuse Eoin Bradley did?
Probably not, but then Monaghan 'fans' probably don't have a deep rooted (and highly illogical) dislike for him and his brother the way they do for the Bradley's.
Great display from Monaghan, Freeman was not in it after he hurt his leg, he was having a stormer up to that, Woods played very well but as the game went on he faded and Hanraty did very well. Monaghan should be disappointed that they did not at least get a draw. Great to see a tough game like that, unfortunately it will stand to Kerry; they were there for the taken today.
Yep agree, reckon that game will set Kerry up to go the whole way.
The only difference was the level of cuteness that comes with playing in big games year after year. That is not meant as any disrespect to either side.
Witness how a Kerry player when fouled badly got the game underway quickly without the traditional handbags. Plenty of time to hit him back later.
Monaghan fell for it every time at the end, even when they needed to move the ball quickly. They will learn from that though. Take the hits and get on with it when time is running out.
I didn't see much intent from O'Se with the kick or any bias from the referee. It was a swing for a loose ball and if he made contact, should have been a free, but those types of things are missed all the time in every game. I'm pretty sure the Kerrymen will be able to replay the tapes and pick out incidents that cost them.
Hanratty did very well.
Corey gets a lot of mileage out of one hop.
Monaghan defence did very well against the high ball to Donaghy.
Quote from: Owenmoresider on August 12, 2007, 03:42:19 PM
Quote from: rory on August 12, 2007, 03:36:30 PM
Well, the GAA have got what they wanted, a Dublin Kerry semi.....and sure so what if the ref helped them, at least none of those dirty nordies got through.
How can Dara O'Se kick a man in the head right in front of the ref and nothing get done.
Given the choice between 'dirty nordies' and the shower who think it's their birthright to win AI's, then it's nordies for me every time.
Also, note your second line - is that not 'dirt'? Par for the course from O'Sé. But it's Kerry so they get away with it.
Surely Dara O'Se swung at the football, which was spinning around in there. Whatever anyone says, it was pure football that won it for Kerry in the end. The last 1-3 were all fine scores. Very tough luck for Monaghan who I feel have had a great team for the last 3 years and, if anything, have underachieved. Even though it yielded a goal, I think Kerry ovedid the one route football to Donaghay. They are more than capable of varying it a bit more and taking their points.
QuoteMonaghan defence did very well against the high ball to Donaghy.
I agree with that but the ball in sometimes was awful.
Hard luck Monaghan but cute oul Kerry hoors got it right in last 10 minutes. Ref awful fond of the cards and as someone said gave Monaghan no frees from where the ball landed after late tackles late on.
Hopefully Monaghan will learn and improve like other "new" teams before them e.g Armagh 99/00,Tyrone 01/02 or Meath 86.
Unfortunately for "Real Ireland" we have no teams left in the race. I suppose Meath are the nearest thing so I'm behind them from now on and also because a Meath All Ireland win will piss off the media and various bandwagoners.
Quote from: Main Street on August 12, 2007, 03:51:57 PM
Hanratty did very well.
Corey gets a lot of mileage out of one hop.
Monaghan defence did very well against the high ball to Donaghy.
That was unreal alright. I thought Alan Brogan gets away with murder but Corey was taking around 8 steps before he'd hop the ball. :D
Another 6 steps while the ball is doing a huge hop and 8 steps after that.
I thought Kerry would have varied it a bit with the high ball in to Donaghy,they were not getting the results they needed until about ten minutes to go, but it did work in the end. Monaghan live on the edge with their style of play but you could see Kerry were having problems with all the pressure. Did Galvin go of injured? I thought I saw him holding his shoulder as he walked of the pitch after the game.
The quandry now is who to support in the semi as I don't care for either team.
Quote from: Rossfan on August 12, 2007, 03:57:50 PM
Unfortunately for "Real Ireland" we have no teams left in the race. I suppose Meath are the nearest thing so I'm behind them from now on and also because a Meath All Ireland win will piss off the media and various bandwagoners.
Jaysus, you know that things are bad when Meath are the popular choice to win Sam!
Quote from: FL/MAYO on August 12, 2007, 04:12:56 PM
I thought Kerry would have varied it a bit with the high ball in to Donaghy,they were not getting the results they needed until about ten minutes to go, but it did work in the end. Monaghan live on the edge with their style of play but you could see Kerry were having problems with all the pressure. Did Galvin go of injured? I thought I saw him holding his shoulder as he walked of the pitch after the game.
The quandry now is who to support in the semi as I don't care for either team.
At least the Dubs would celebrate if they won, you know, it might even mean something to them!!
There's an Ulster title in that Monaghan team. It might not particularly motivate the likes of Tyrone and Armagh, but it certainly should be something to aim for for a team like Monaghan.
Quote from: Main Street on August 12, 2007, 05:55:39 PMAn accurate 45m free kick taker would be a nice addition.
I think everyone bar Dublin need that!
monaghan deserved at least a draw out of that, they were the better team for large parts of the game... what about them o'se boys tho!!! super super super. the 6 weeks lay off is a joke and i would have been delighted with a draw as another game would have done kerry no harm as long as we won it!. still think today will have brought them on loads. thats a very good monaghan team imo well able to take their scores all thats missing is a place kicker... suppose kerrymike will come out of hiding now!
That was just what Kerry needed and the rest of us didn't! Great show by Monaghan and the essence of sport on display as the champions did what needed to be done, when it needed to be done. Absorbing stuff.
Monaghan are now at the top table, though, as a serious side and will not accept any patronising bullshit about having been great to do so well. For me, self-belief was their defining characteristic and it's not often you can say that about newcomers to the top bracket. Great management job by McEnaney - you can see the professionalism (in the best sense) in everything about their setup.
What an incentive for us to beat the langers, though. An AIF against either the animals or the cheeky ones would be some occasion.
What annoys me is that this is only kerrys 3rd game, its silly, i said it before and ill say it again, even out the provences. have 9 in one provence and 6 in another is stupid, could someone please tell me why they dont change it. Tradition is not a valid rason.
Good game today hard luck to Monaghan poor shooting and poor decision making with the ball let them down today. Kerry look vunerable but still awesome in some cases especially the O'Se's. Dublin have their best chance to beat them.
you must be fairly content with the rest of your life if that annoys ya
My heart really goes out to Monaghan tonight. The game was Monaghan's for the taking. They deserved to win the game, but unfortunately it doesn't always work out that way.
Goes to show, never give Kerry a chance for they're never out to the game's over.
I'm sure the tension high in the KerryMike household tonight ;)
QuoteReally hope Kerry pull through this one, not sure I could listen to the whinging
Whats your problem with Kerry Tyssam5 ? you are one bitter bollix aren't you
Well I got to say, of the remaining teams left in the All-Ireland.... I hope it is Kerry.
Just back from the match and a couple of thoughts.
Monaghan were certainly more than game for Kerry. I thought that their "handling" of Donaghy was effective but, to quote Billy Morgan, quite cynical. His jersey finished at least 3 sizes bigger than it was in the warm up. Holding him and playing another back in front of him to feed of his lay offs negated Kerry's high ball into the square.
Monaghan will regard this one as one that got away but having started so well they done a Dublin on it and I think went over 15 minutes through the middle of the first half without scoring.
Galvin got a mighty clatter. When he stays down something is wrong. It was no surprise to see him going off afterwards.
Some posters feel that the ref was card happy. Anyone have a count?
I am reliably informed that Kerry Mike may be permitted to sleep in the garden shed tonight.................if he's left sleep at all.
Quote from: ziggysego on August 12, 2007, 09:18:11 PM
Well I got to say, of the remaining teams left in the All-Ireland.... I hope it is Kerry.
I second that. Nearly veering towards Meath as the underdogs but not much point in that when next year they'll be Public Enemy #1 again.
Hard luck to Monaghan - you did Ulster proud today and almost pulled off the shock of the year. They are a young side and will be hard to beat in Ulster next year and now that they've had a taste of the big stage I'm sure we'll see them back at headquarters again next year. Well done to Kerry for keeping their composure but today highlighted again that they don't like playing the Ulster sides.
Gutted by the result - but extremely proud of the performance. I think we've arrived this year. As has been said, there's definitely an Ulster title in this team. Hanratty had a good game today, as did Clerkin and Tommy.
Was surprised however, that Conor McManus didn't get a run out. Also, some subs a bit too late to make any impact - i.e. Hugh McElroy.
Quote from: we are blue... etc on August 12, 2007, 09:20:51 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on August 12, 2007, 09:18:11 PM
Well I got to say, of the remaining teams left in the All-Ireland.... I hope it is Kerry.
I second that. Nearly veering towards Meath as the underdogs but not much point in that when next year they'll be Public Enemy #1 again.
Aye, they need another one alright ???
Yes, we do. If only because you lads so badly want us to lose
Hmmm. What is the worst:
(a) a smug Dub
(b) a smug Kerryman
(c) a smug Royal.
Easy choice that if you ask me.
I hope Meath win it
Quote from: we are blue... etc on August 12, 2007, 10:10:18 PM
Hmmm. What is the worst:
(a) a smug Dub
(b) a smug Kerryman
(c) a smug Royal.
Easy choice that if you ask me.
Theres no such thing as a smug Kerryman.................we're too cute for that.
Quote from: Frank Casey on August 12, 2007, 09:20:26 PM
Just back from the match and a couple of thoughts.
Monaghan were certainly more than game for Kerry. I thought that their "handling" of Donaghy was effective but, to quote Billy Morgan, quite cynical. His jersey finished at least 3 sizes bigger than it was in the warm up. Holding him and playing another back in front of him to feed of his lay offs negated Kerry's high ball into the square.
Donaghy's shirt looked nice, clean and fitted him just fine in the post match interview. The lad himself had not got a mark on his face. He looked like he needed to go for a run to get a bit of sweat before the shower.
Quote from: we are blue... etc on August 12, 2007, 10:10:18 PM
Hmmm. What is the worst:
(a) a smug Dub
(b) a smug Kerryman
(c) a smug Royal.
Easy choice that if you ask me.
i note you left out the 4th semi-finalists, but then I suppose Corkonians are never anything but smug!!
Jaysus how did I forget all about the Langers. Sure the whole thing has turned into an out-and-out smug-fest. God help the rest of us modest crayturs.
Fair play to Monaghan for putting up a good show.
What I dont know is if this Kerry team is better or worse than last years Kerry team. This question is both academic and a waste of time, but important to us Armagh men.
That was hard luck on Monaghan. They were overall the better team but you knew all along that if Kerry were within striking distance coming to the last, they wouldn't be beaten. A relative newcomer like Monaghan needs to be five or six points to the good coming to the last five minutes to stay ahead of a wily and streetwise bunch like Kerry.
It won't mean much to Monaghan fans tonight but that defeat will be better for them in the long run. Losing a game like that will be the making of that team and they will be genuine Sam Maguire contenders in years to come. A new order might well be dawning - Armagh, Tyrone weakening perhaps, Kerry can't go on forever, who knows.
Well done to Monaghan anyway and fair play for getting the best out of McElkennon not like our own shower of wasters in Cavan.
At least Monaghan didn't go out and play them like a bunch of defeated cowards.
Quote from: we are blue... etc on August 12, 2007, 11:46:15 PM
Jaysus how did I forget all about the Langers. Sure the whole thing has turned into an out-and-out smug-fest. God help the rest of us modest crayturs.
Sure what would a Laois fan have to be smug about??
Hard luck to Monaghan the missed chances/lack of a free taker killed them in the end . They where never going to be able to maintain that pressure for 70 minutes and needed to be more than 3 clear after 60 .
The best thing I can say about yesterday was it resembled the Good, the bad and the ugly.
The Bad:
For me it was the worst Kerry performance since Meath '01. Monaghan were the better side and did not deserve to lose. Our full forward line did not have a good day at the office. It was Gooch's poorest day in a Kerry shirt. MFR does not like the physical stuff (could cost him his place against Dublin) and the quality (or lack of it) of ball into Donaghy was worrying. Plan A is not working, let's try plan A. Brozzie did another disappearing act while Galvin shoulder was gone before half time, I would doubt he will be fit for Dublin, but if anyone can, Galvin Can. Would start Sean O'Sullivan on the wing against the Dubs with Declan in the centre with Brozzie at midfield. Dara, while he came into it in the last 15 mins but didn't contribute before that and while Seamus ran his heart out, he is not at the required level (yet). Killian young played well I though, O'Mahony had a 'mare but improved when moved back. Tomas had a great second half. Reidy will never forget his senior Croke park debut, got taken to the cleaners should have been taken off earlier, Tom had 2 handling errors that led to points but he did well enough on Corey over all (Corey well able to take steps by the way) and Marc probably came out on top against Freeman but only just.
The Good:
I have been going to Kerry games since 1985 and the other Kerry lads (if KerryMike ever reappears) may be able to back me up here but before yesterday I had never seen Kerry win a championship match by a point, anyone know when that last happened? Generally, we won well or lost narrowly. 2 down with 6 mins left looked bad but fair play, we would 95% of the kick out in the last 10 minutes and got the scores. The equaliser by Sheenan was the score of the day. Follows on from what happened in the Munster final, winning a tight game in injury time.
The Ugly:
That Clerkin lad should have got the line before he did, he was at it all day and the cheap shot on Donaghy was the worst of the lot. The ref was bad for both sides (the goal and Dara kicking someone on the head).
Overall:
A repeat performance will see us beaten out the gate by the Dubs, The fact so many underperformed yesterday has to be a worry. Reidy will be targeted by the Dubs if he starts. I would have Mahony drop back to corner, Tommy Griffin to centre back, Brosnan to midfield (to follow Shane Ryan – who else will stay with him?), Declan to centre forward and Sean O'Sullivan on the wing. However that debate if for another day.
I'm fecking Gutted for Monaghan and thats no disrespect to the Kingdom they are a fantastic team. Kerry showed the strength they have in depth with thier subs making massive contributions. The O'Se's carried them over the line when their big names up front were bottled up. As someone mentioned earlier in the thread this defeat could be the making of this Monaghan team. Armagh and Tyrone took a few heart breaking defeats in the run up to their All Ireland wins, Monaghan could use this defeat to drive them on to bigger things.
The Kerry lads shouldn't take the neutrals dissappointment at Monaghans defeat as anything anti Kerry. People always like to see the underdogs win and Monaghan were no different.
One other point - what did people think of the mixing of the codes? I would watch hurling if it was on the telly but I would not be the biggest fan.
I spent most of the time during the hurling match talking football with the Monaghan bloke beside me. I think the two do not mix that well.
Even at the All-Ireland club final, the amount of people who left before the hurling was unreal. I would have preferred to have the Tommy Murphy cup final on with us.
The stadium atmosphere was unreal when the Waterford fans got behind Monaghan, looked as if the whole stadium was from Monaghan.
Kerry very lucky played very poorly . I think it was their worst performance since 2001 v Meath . Credit to Monaghan they played well but need to get Moone (the corner back )and Clerkin to cop on . I thought Finlay should have gone short with the free at the end . Pat O shea is either a very cool customer or very luck Kerry went 31 mins with only 1 score yet he made no changes . It was well known that Brian sheehan was going well in training yet he only got 15 mins
Quote from: SuperDooperCooper on August 13, 2007, 09:05:11 AM
For me it was the worst Kerry performance since Meath '01. Monaghan were the better side and did not deserve to lose.
On Clerkin, the shoulder charge on an exposed Donaghy was cheap and nasty.
"worst Kerry performance since Meath '01"
Credit for that goes to Monaghan.
How many teams in the country could have stood up to Monaghan yesterday?
Kerry beat a very well prepared team on top of their game who had full belief in winning.
How could it possibly be Kerry's worst performance in 6 years?
This was an AI QF.
Quote from: johnpower on August 13, 2007, 10:15:10 PM
Credit to Monaghan they played well but need to get Moone (the corner back )and Clerkin to cop on .
Mone was fine - he got booked for nothing. The Gooch lay down every time - has he been watching premiership soccer? Mone done his job well - the fact that Gooch didn't score from play is a credit to him. So much for the 'The Kingdom' and their newspaper article about fearing the Gooch.
Cooper will return to form no doubt, but he's been out of sorts for a long while now.
Quote from: Maguire01 on August 13, 2007, 10:42:09 PM
Quote from: johnpower on August 13, 2007, 10:15:10 PM
Credit to Monaghan they played well but need to get Moone (the corner back )and Clerkin to cop on .
Mone was fine - he got booked for nothing. The Gooch lay down every time - has he been watching premiership soccer? Mone done his job well - the fact that Gooch didn't score from play is a credit to him. So much for the 'The Kingdom' and their newspaper article about fearing the Gooch.
Cooper will return to form no doubt, but he's been out of sorts for a long while now.
he seemed very wound up from the start .I was watching him from the start and he seemed really pumped . He also seemed to have a run in with the Umpire as well . Any way its only nit picking its not as if all the kerry boys are saints
Have deliberatly not posted till today as I was in poor form yesterday , nursing a bit aof a sore head and all that but anyway here goes ,
Whats all this bullsh1t about dessie mone and the gooch? Its a big boys game and if the gooch is going to be treated like the a protected species then off course the guy marking him is going to pick up a tick or two and then cards , simple .
I thought Dessie had a great 1st half on the gooch , who by the way is not one bit shy about putting in the sly digs himself.
JP mone gave a display on donaghy , who also is not one bit afraid to throw his ample frame around the place, JP jumped with him all day and Donaghy was getting more and more fustrated as the day progressed, Colm Flanagan totally nullified MFR who showed everyone in the country what he is about , piss and wind , 3 times i saw him cleary pull out of contact/tackles and how he stayed on the field so long is a mystery to me , he clearly had no stomach for it once the "noise" started to get louder and louder, would be surprised to see him start again this campaign.
I thought Damien Freeman played well tho I have seen him play better for Monaghan , but in saying that I that he marshalled Galvin magnificently , he provided cover at the back and an outlet going forward.
Gary Mc Quaid was my man of the match , he totally bossed Brosnan from start to finish and Mr Brosnan was another Kerry man who has to have a good look at himself , again when the "noise" started he did'nt want to know and like MFR he shyed away from contact more than once.
McQuaid looks so composed going forward and gave a display of CHB play , the man should get an all star this year but we all know he wont.
D Mc Ardle had a great game also and poped up everywhere , did a lot of unseen work going with runners and covering for Damien as he moved up field.
Dick and Eoin Lennon in midfield were great , maybe ran out of steam at the end but would not beat them up for it , they really took the fight to O'Se and Scanlon , the latter did not have any answers for Dick early on , as for this percieved notion that Dick got a cheap shot in on Donaghy , as i said earlier Donaghy ain't afraid to give it so he'll have to learn to take it as well.
The Jap , woods and jinkxy were the platform of a lot of good ball going into the FF line , woods in particular filled a lot of roles , he gathered loose ball , won his own ball , broke up a lot of Kerry attacks, linked play very well , woods would be a close second to Mc Quaid for MOTM.
Jinks gave it his all, took his point well kinda faded in and out at times but in the raging storm that was that midfield area/halfback line that was bound to happen to at least one of the lads.Finlay won a lot of ball , particularly after Kerry got the goal he caught two balls under the hogan that were just what we needed at the time , he took his scores well but from placed ball I believed he has regressed this year when so much more of his general play has progressed, Don't want to be critical but where was the finlay that scored 8 points V Armagh? a few of them were from 45's if memory serves me correct.
Tommy , Corey and Hannratty were really on song , totally had the Kerry FB line at sixes and sevens , M O'Se been the notable exception. The movement , handling & score taking was great particularly Hannratty whose last point was a thing of beauty.Tommy and O'Se had a great tussle and i'd saw it was honours even at the end.
Can't remember too much about the subs as at that stage i was trembling like a shiteing pup !!
Am not going to talk about the ref , I thought he was poor for both teams really.
Great year for Monaghan and whilst i am dissapointed if i had been told last Christmas that we would run Tyrone to 2 points in an Ulster Final and put Kerry to the pin of thier collars in an All Ireland QF , I'd take it.
As for who's going to win it now , for all their failings and arrogance it looks like its the Dubs for the taking and if they don't win it this year it will finish that team in its current form.
I'm gona go against the flow here and hope Kerry go on now and do it, after all it would be better for Monaghan to have been beaten by the Champs.
There was serious broken hearts round Monaghan Sunday night. The one that got away....again.
I see Monaghan are getting a lot of praise and probably deserved. The underdog will always get credit. However, as a Monaghan man I'll prob be more critcial ( prob unfairly) than the rest of you.
Monaghan played well without hitting the heights of past games. Corey, Jinxy, Finlay, Lennon (big games to date) had quiet games. I said to a kerry man on my left before the game that Monaghans free taking could cost them and it did. 45's (as Vaughan showed) can be crucial and Monaghan have missed them comfortably all year. Woods should be hitting them.
Monaghan ran of steam round the middle with 10 left. Changes should have been made to freshen the legs here at this stage. 1 minute into injury time was too late and we still had an unused sub at this stage and took a sub off. Maybe Banty had too much faith in his first 15 or hasn' the quality on the bench. Kerrys bench is super and litered with big match players - Griffin, O'Sullivan, Sheehan (2pts).
Donaghy was kept relatively quiet but was always a danger, ball into him improved for a ten minute spell before Kerry got their goal and despite what any one says, the only way to stop him is a bit of physical contact and I thought we held him rightly without going over the top in the physical stakes. He can give give as well, so should expect some back. But it wasn't a dirty contest with him and J.
Clerkin should have walked for his shoulder charge early on. Didn't see it till last night on the telly. He is brone to these spells of indiscipline and should have left that element out of his game. He played rightly apart from the nasty side of his game yesterday.
Delighted for Rory getting man of the match but as he said last night, it means nothing now. He comes in from stick for his size but he has buckets of ability, strenght and this year has lost his habit of getting involved off the ball in silly shite. He can play with the best of them. Gary McQuaid was super also throughout, with Damien Freeman winning serious amounts of Breaking ball.
Despite all the talk of Kerry playing "real" football i.e long ball on top of Donaghy, the last 10 minutes they beat Monaghan by Carrying the ball through them and got their three final scores from this route if I remember correctly.
The O'shea's really stepped up to the plate when needed most, Marc's block on Tommy, Dara's fielding in his own square at the end and Thomas fisted winning point. Super footballers who don't hide when they going gets tough.
Fair play to Tommy Freeman for giving the display he did. Watching him off the ball he was constantly flexing/strenghting his arm and was in discomfort. He had the cast taken off before the game and left Croke Park with it back on. He led the line really well, one bad miss before HT but he couldn't be faulted.
Finally, Is Pat Spillane on a one man mission to discredit the game? Between his column on Sunday and the Sunday Game last night, he has nothing good to say about anyone or anything. If he is so worried about the state of the game and beleives he has all the answers why the feck doesn;t he put a tracksuit on and do something about it. Or does he not have the balls to take a chance and try and prove himself as a manager/coach at senior Intercounty level. Far too cosy on his couch over the years at this stage. Is he in touch with the modern game and what it takes? Prob a harsh assessement of him, but its always doom, doom, doom.
Quote from: SuperDooperCooper on August 13, 2007, 09:05:11 AM
I have been going to Kerry games since 1985 and the other Kerry lads (if KerryMike ever reappears) may be able to back me up here but before yesterday I had never seen Kerry win a championship match by a point, anyone know when that last happened? Generally, we won well or lost narrowly.
The last one point defeat in Croke Park that I remember is the 1969 semi-final against Mayo. Kerry 0-14 Mayo 1-10. There's been a fair few draws since so I wouldn't say it's a case that Kerry generally either win well or else lose.
Lots of examples of one point defeats e.g. Armagh '02, Kildare '98, Offaly '82.
The last one point win in the league was also against Monaghan.
Quotebefore yesterday I had never seen Kerry win a championship match by a point, anyone know when that last happened? Generally, we won well or lost narrowly
Ahem!
I think Monaghan panicked at the end - their half back could have caught that last ball - but Donaghy causes panic in the defence - I was hoping they would win and I'd say they thought they could win but they just didn't have the real quality - their play sometimes is borderline as regards their tackling - Clerkin is a good footballer and doesn't need to play dirty - he should have walked -
But overall they deserved something out of the game - I'd say Kerry will improve and will be a force in two weeks time against Dublin.
Hard luck to Monaghan.
First of all Monaghan dont want to hear another Kerryman offering any sympathies , but it has to be said , ye scared the shite out of us on Sunday. I have been saying it for a few years that Monaghan have the guts of a good team, and they almost became a great one on Sunday, they should have won and as a kerryman I have to say I would not have been overly distraught if we had lost as I can see from close experience what it means to the Monaghan people. They dominated the game for long periods but just took the wrong option sometimes in the scoring chances. Missing 2 x 45's by Finlay in the first half was vital, he did the exact same in the Ulster final, and then another 45 miss in the second half. Bringing Duffy up to kick another 45 made no sence and it seemed to demoralise them when he missed, surely Woods , Freeman, Hanratty can kick a free or 45.
I see this morning that Tommy Freeman was in hospital last week with a hand infection and had an operation and was probably lucky to play, 1-3 is not a bad return for a man with one hand. He was in plaster again yesterday when he collected the player of the month award for July. Will be a cert for a All Star. Other great performances by the Mones and the midfielders, It was hard and physical and was a great exciting contest I am sure for the neutral.
We could use the 6 week lay of as an excuse but it would discredit Monaghan who were really up for the game and never left Kerry settle. But gifting Monaghan an early point when Darragh missed Tomas from a simple sideline pass was not a great way to start, I was happy that we went in level at half time and this was mainly due to a succession of frees for MFR and Cooper after alot of pulling a nd draggin by the Monaghan full back line, but credit to them they played the game on the edge and holding Gooch and the Big Don scoreless from play is a great feat. We never got motoring at midfield Scanlon did okay but seemed very unsure of his role and his distribution and link play was only average , his missed one-two was very poor.
A couple of dodgy officialing decisions nearly cost us dear, the penalty was a clear foul but I am 90% certain it was outside the square, but in the heat of the moment the referee has to call it, in the second half the Donaghy "goal" was another tough call against us, and then Hanratty had a wide given as a point, I was sitting under the RTE sign in the Canel end and from my seat it was well wide, all the Monaghanese around were agreed. But then we got some farily soft frees at times too so these things balance out.
As for the future for Monaghan the Ulster title has the be the number 1 goal for 2008, they have the players and the management and have a very good training facility outside Blayney. They have done well over the last few years but they have to now push on again and be able to beat the likes of Tyrone and Kerry, they had both of them for the taking this year and speaking to many after the game that was their biggest regret that they did not finish it, but as I have said to the outlaws all year, you get a limited number of chances in a game and you have to maximise these, I think Monaghan only converted 50% of theirs last Sunday so thats where the focus needs to be. Great picture in the examiner yesterday of Donaghy consoling Tommy Freeman afterwards.
As for the Kingdom, we played poorly but got away with it, the long lay off did not help but the hunger and focus just did not seem to be there, the slippery day made for lots of basic handling mistakes but it was the same for Monaghan, but we just did not seem to have the drive to eke out the dirty ball early in the game.
Murphy in Goal made one good save from Woods at a vital time before the break but other wise was not really tested. Marc O'Se was the pick of the full back lineand his last minute block on Freeman was one iof the turning points, Reidy really struggled and it was a surprise it took so long ot make a change, we are very light on full back lin cover and thats a major worry, its something i have mentioned all year. Tom O'Sullivan really struggled with the pace and power of Corey. Killian Young was assured and took a fine score in the first half. Aidan O'Mahony was chasing the game but tried hard and really came into the game at the end when Tommy Griffin came on for Reidy, O'Mahony made two very timely interceptions that led to scores. Tomas O'Se too found the going tough but came into it more as Monaghan tired in the last quarter and he had a cool head to punch over at the end for our winner when he had Gooch free on the square for a goal chance. Midfield struggles against the agggressive Monaghan pair but we held our own and Darragh caught a few vitals ones near the end, I dont think there was too much malicious about his kick near the end he seemed to be dragged back and the ball was flying around when he put the boot in, but these are the moments that win games and thankfully we have the O'Se on our side.
Our forward were really poor or probably more correctly were made to look poor by dogged defending play by the Farney boys, Declan O'Sullivan tried his best and took his goal very well when the ball broke to him, Paul Galvin showed early but took an huge hit and his shoulder will trouble him for the Dublin game, surprised he was not taken off earlier, heard it is nothing too serious just muscular but time will be against him. Eoin Brosnan after a good early point was completly out of the game and very surprised that we did not make changes early. The inside line never got going and the long ball was not woprking with Monaghan moppiing up most of the breaks from Donaghy, the probalem was thet the kerry out field players were getting no space to pick oout their pass correctly, the big man tried his best and had 2 goal chances , one converted but the referee called a square ball but the second one should have been buried. Mike Frank was another who really struggled and I was delighted to finally see Sheehan making an entrance his 2 points were vital for us. Darren O'Sullivan also contributed. Very slow to see and make the changes on the sideline
But for now we are just relieved to keep our quarter final winning run intact, thats 7-in-a-row now, but now its onto the next 7 in a row in 2 weeks time. The would be 7 times in a row beating the Jackeens, 78, 79, 84, 85, 01, 04. But we have much to work on. Thankfully we have shown we have the staying power to work out victories in games that may be beyond us, Against Cork and Monaghan we should have lost but Two tough games won and the sight of the Dublin jersey will get every Kerryman raised, espeically if you are from a certain O'Se family!!
Well done again to Monaghan keep the faith, 2008 could be the year.
I shoulda said this on Friday and was going to , but the race to get out the door from work took over 8)
BUT
On friday i was dreading reading the now customary article by Billy Keane in the indo on Sat,and if i could have got odds from p power on the opening paragraph containing the following words STONEY , KAVANAGH , INNISKEEN , SOIL , PADDY , i would have put the house on it.
Low and behold what did he say in his article , read it and see what a load of horse shite that man wrote.
Christ it really pisses me off to read the guy and his ramblings , he goes from stoney grey soil etc etc to talking about the puck lamb or whatever on the Sat morning of what was lining up to be two great days in Croker , how this guy gets his puff pieces printed in the sports section is beyond me , its the kinda stuff that should be in the glossy mag section , tucked away at the back, beside an ad for a supervised tour to Lourdes.
maybe this should be in the what grinds my gears thread?
Rant over. ;)
I have been too depressed and hungover to post until now. All I can say is fair play to the lads, I was never as proud of the efforts of a Monaghan team (tell nobody bingobus!!).
Duffy - Not tested apart from the goal, marshalled fairly well, kickouts went fairly well until last 5 minutes.
Dessie - Brilliant first half, booking was a real blow. should have been kept on at WHB imo.
JP - Outstanding
Flanagan - Assured, understated and put MFR in his pocket.
Strimmer - did ok at WHB in the first half, was better in the 2nd half on Gooch, fair play to a fella who was criticised earlier in the year.
McQuaid - Excellent. Covered serious ground.
Damien Freeman - Didn't hit the heights of previous games, but did OK.
Dick - Got stuck in (a bit too much at times!). Unbelievable workrate..
Spindley - Needed more out of him for a victory, still nullified O'Sé for long periods.
Finlay - Scored 2 good points, was in and out of it otherwise.
Woods - Dictated the play. Outstanding.
Jinxy - Could have been a wee bit overawed, picked up the breaks in the first half
Hanners - 2 outstanding points, didn't look out of place.
Vinny - Not the success of prevous games, but still worried Kerry.
Tommy - Best inside forward on display, and only had one good hand.
Banty and the boys 'emptied the tank' on Sunday, and left every ounce of themselves out there. You could see in his expression afterwards that he hadn't even contemplated losing - and that is te sort of attitude Monaghan footbal needs.
Hard luck boys - Ulster '08 beckons
Thebandit - I'll say nothing. Are you going to retire the Armagh colours now? ;)
Watched the game again last night on Setanta. Made for more depressing viewing second time round.
How the sides went in level at HT is beyond me. We won serious ball all over field but didn't get enough scores from this. The pressure on the Kerry forwards was immense yet hardly unfair as some commentators have suggested. Its a mans game and let them on with. Clerkin was the only one who went OTT. Woods and Galvin had a great running battle and met each other a few times with big hits. Great to see it, both players just got on with it.
Dermot McArdle had a really top game and only wasted one ball all game in first half. In first half he broke up loads of play and read the game like a book. In the second half he wasn't noticed as he dropped back on Copper. But Copper was even less effective than in the first half.
People rave about Bryan Cullen, well I'll stick my neck out and say that Gary McQuaid is every bit as good.
Monaghan wasted ball in the first half as poor delivery onto the full forward line. Maybe they were testing the water but Kerry won must of these balls. Balls played down the wings give Monaghan much more joy.
The two fouls near the end where as blatant as any fouls in the game. Big Dara's swing at Meegan as he went to collect the ball was a free and a yellow. There wasn't intent but it was dangerous and how the ref missed it I'll never know. I was fuming with it and the push on Clerkin for Kerrys last point. They say these things even out over the game but I'm not buying that...I want a replay and the Refs head on a plate >:( >:(
People must remember that when Paul Meegan took that shot that he had been kicked in the face 120 seconds earlier - he could have benn concussed for all we know.
And I will never renounce my orange roots!
Should Clerkin have been sent off near the end ? Was the ref not a bit too fussy ? Surely the game was over and there was no point in sending him off at that stage ?
Quote from: orangeman on August 15, 2007, 10:55:54 AM
Should Clerkin have been sent off near the end ? Was the ref not a bit too fussy ? Surely the game was over and there was no point in sending him off at that stage ?
You're right, Clerkin shouldn't have been sent off at the end....................he should have been sent off 40 minutes earlier when he elbowed Donaghy in the face straight in front of the ref.
Quote from: bingobus on August 15, 2007, 10:20:50 AM
Watched the game again last night on Setanta. Made for more depressing viewing second time round.
Same as that Bingobus same as that , Its only when you watch it from an armchair with a cup of tay in your hand that it becomes so apparent that we totally dominated the 1st half and a good portion of the second half.
Shooting let us down and not just from placed ball.
The ref whilst bad for both teams as i have said earlier should be made look at a re run of this game mainly
- D O' Se's jackie chan on meegan , foot definately high no action taken .
Foul on Dick on roughly halfway line as he was in process of kicking 2-3 mins from end, should have been free from where ball landed imho.
Line ball given to kerry on Hogan touchline, afaik we don't have similar rules to rugby and if the ball remains in play whislt your boot leaves the field , play on .
Dick should have got a card for his sly dig on donaghy, happened in front of ref , no excuse.
Hannratty was been pulled all day by his marker, no action taken.
Tommy same as hanratty been pulled all day , no action taken.
Again credit to Kerry they had it in the tank when it counted but inconsistent and slightly biased refereeing did themmore good than harm.
Oh yeah had a bit of a lurk on Kerrygaa forum , seemingly Monaghan play " the worst type of northern football imaginable"
So Sunday was'nt a total waste if we have rattled the animals that much ;D ;D
Lads, I know a few questionable calls went Kerry's way near the end but surely, it balanced out over the course of the game.
It is now accepted that Hanratty 'point' was a foot wide and Kerry had a perfectly good goal disallowed.
Donaghy taken out of it as was Galvin by the same player. Ref bad for both sides and did not cause Kerry to win.
A lot of disappointment with here with the quality of football played by Kerry, most of it was of the u16b variety that O'Neill mentioned but I suppose you always try to take the positives from the game. I would hope for a more varied attach the next day. Gooch or MFR did not get any ball which allowed them to take on their men.
I am sure that Pat has the video of the game out and is going about setting this right for the next day; god knows, we have enough scope for improvement. Ticket gone to the clubs and it looks like I will get two one for the stand and one for the hill. I am not as brave as the Mayo lad last year, so one of the mates is getting the hill ticket (on condition he wears his Kerry jersey naturally).
An Irishman's Diary
Frank McNally
In common with most sports followers, GAA fans like to mimic their heroes. The typical supporter now owns at least one replica jersey, and may even wear the "away" strip when required.
He often sustains himself during games with sports drinks of the kind that allegedly keep top athletes going 33 per cent longer. Sometimes it is only his finely honed beer belly that suggests a lifestyle less committed than the team's.
But apart from one of them not being super-fit, there is another key difference between the GAA fan and the player. Unlike the latter, the former never shakes hands with his opposition before a game. Afterwards, yes. It is part of the GAA code that come the final whistle, win or lose, opposing supporters must offer each other the sign of peace, along with best wishes for the future. But never in advance.
Partly this is because, as a supporter, it usually takes the first 15 or 20 minutes to find out who your "marker" is. There may be a number of opposition fans equidistant from you; and besides, in the early stages of a game, exchanges are often just good-humoured banter.
Then, gradually, somebody around you will start getting on your nerves. From here on, this is your man (I'm using male-gender terms for convenience: the offender can just as easily be female). Your job for the rest of the game is to annoy him at least as much as he's annoying you.
At the Kerry-Monaghan match on Sunday, my marker was obvious from the moment I sat down. Kerry fans are not the worst, by any means. In fact, in my experience, they are among the least offensive GAA supporters, because - typically - they don't attend the match at all. That is to say, they don't attend the sort of matches Monaghan are involved in. They wait for finals instead.
But not only was this Kerry fan here - right in front of me - he was also wearing a humorous green-and-gold wig. That was two crimes, even before the ball had been thrown in. I didn't have to wait for him to applaud loudly all the referee's more misguided decisions (ie. the ones in favour of Kerry), as he subsequently did. It was clear from the start that he would be my responsibility.
I was even tempted to gain a psychological edge by introducing myself straight away and making some disparaging comment (eg: "that wig really suits you"). But out of respect for tradition, I held back. I would wait for Monaghan to start playing Kerry off the pitch - a high-risk strategy, admittedly - and then sicken him with enthusiasm.
Painful as it can be at times, the lack of segregation at matches is one of the glories of the GAA. And even the pain - when your team loses and there are celebrations all around - can be character-building.
Down the years, Kerry supporters have not had nearly enough of these opportunities for growth. But as the game unfolded on Sunday, it looked like this was going to be one of them. The man in front could not have accused me of being exactly triumphalist at any stage of the match. In fact, historically, the words "triumphalist Monaghan supporter" have been a contradiction in terms. Yet for most of the 70 minutes, I was definitely annoying him more than he was annoying me.
The key moment appeared to have come mid-way through the second half when Kerry full-forward Kieran Donaghy caught a high ball, turned, and rifled a shot into the side-netting.
Whereupon, the supporter in front turned almost as quickly and, facing me for the first time, celebrated what he thought was a goal. I broke the news to him - not as gently as I might have, perhaps - that the ball had gone wide. And if schadenfreude were a variety of cigar, I would have lit one there and then and blown smoke-rings at him.
But of course soon after, his team did score a goal, ensuring that Monaghan entered the game's dying stages without the sort of lead that little teams need in tight finishes against big ones. Our heroes had beaten the Kerry selection that started the game. They just couldn't beat their bench. The lead disappeared and, from years of experience, the green-and-gold supporters could smell our fear now.
Still, it was a point of pride to keep shouting until either the final whistle or laryngitis intervened. When Kerry cruelly chose the game's last minute to take the lead for the first time, even the man in front seemed too embarrassed to cheer.
Yesterday's newspapers reported that there were "a number of larcenies" during the three days of Puck Fair, which ended on Sunday night. This was no surprise to me. I witnessed one of the worst incidents: in which a gang of 15 men - all believed to have addresses in Kerry - robbed an innocent Monaghan team of a match that was rightfully theirs.
It was all over now bar the handshake, before which I had to compose myself for a few moments. In the event, the Kerry supporter pre-empted me, turning around and offering his hand first. I didn't even catch what he said: the lump in my throat had begun to affect my hearing. But it was something apologetic - maybe "sorry for your trouble".
He was so dignified in victory, as Kerry supporters tend to be, that I no longer even noticed his wig.
I enjoyed the game with the Kerryman I sat beside. We both got behind our sides and discussed the game as it went on. Both fairly agreeable with each other. He said at the end, we shaould have won and would have beat any other team left in it with that display.
Behind me was sat one of "animals" from Kerry. Two old guys in their 70's...both roared approval every time a ball was lashed in the air onto a forward, regardless of the outcome. They however constantly reminded the Monaghan folk round them that they had 34 and we had none. This was normally followed by "ya bollix".
Gas men though and they slated some Kerry players parentage, right down to their fathers father ;D
Quote from: The Subbie on August 14, 2007, 04:07:06 PM
I shoulda said this on Friday and was going to , but the race to get out the door from work took over 8)
BUT
On friday i was dreading reading the now customary article by Billy Keane in the indo on Sat,and if i could have got odds from p power on the opening paragraph containing the following words STONEY , KAVANAGH , INNISKEEN , SOIL , PADDY , i would have put the house on it.
Low and behold what did he say in his article , read it and see what a load of horse shite that man wrote.
Christ it really pisses me off to read the guy and his ramblings , he goes from stoney grey soil etc etc to talking about the puck lamb or whatever on the Sat morning of what was lining up to be two great days in Croker , how this guy gets his puff pieces printed in the sports section is beyond me , its the kinda stuff that should be in the glossy mag section , tucked away at the back, beside an ad for a supervised tour to Lourdes.
maybe this should be in the what grinds my gears thread?
Rant over. ;)
Jaysus Chief, for your own health and sanity, maybe u shouldn't read his articles!
When Mike Frank Russell got taken off I let the roar of "Job done Colm Flanagan" - a Kerry woman in front of me took grave exception to this
QuoteLads, I know a few questionable calls went Kerry's way near the end but surely, it balanced out over the course of the game.
Sorry SuperDooper - the questionable decisions are the only ones that really count as that is when the ref determines who should win the game.
It's unfortunate that Kerry often falll foul of the questionable decisions but never the match-winning ones. There is a clear anti-Ulster bias in the GAA and a pro-Kerry and Dublin one. The Dubs are usually unable to take ultimate advantage of this but given Kerry's strength in depth they usually do. It will be interesting to hear who is crying about the ref after the Semi.
Most refs are too unfit to keep up with the modern game. In my view there ought to be a pool of approx 12 refs who are trained for fitness purposes and also in the rules of the game to promote consistent decision making. Pay these refs if necessary and any who don't meet a particular standard should be dropped from the group. Only these refs should be permitted to officiate in Championship matches. This won't eradicate bias but will encourage greater scrutiny of refereeing performances, which may eventually lead to less bias.
Quote from: Datsun Donaghy on August 15, 2007, 05:39:44 PM
There is a clear anti-Ulster bias in the GAA and a pro-Kerry and Dublin one.
:D :D :D :D
Nice try Datsun ;)
Quote from: Datsun Donaghy on August 15, 2007, 05:39:44 PM
QuoteLads, I know a few questionable calls went Kerry's way near the end but surely, it balanced out over the course of the game.
It's unfortunate that Kerry often falll foul of the questionable decisions but never the match-winning ones.
Ah Datsun, A Monaghan wide was signed as a point and a perfectly good Kerry goal was disallowed surley they were potentially match winning questionable decisions. Thats a four point swing. Ref was bad but he didn't cost Monaghan the game even if Kerry got the benefit of a few late decisions the non giving of the goal was the major mistake.
As for Kerry and Dublin always getting the decision, can't support you on that one........
QuoteIt's unfortunate that Kerry often falll foul of the questionable decisions but never the match-winning ones. There is a clear anti-Ulster bias in the GAA and a pro-Kerry and Dublin one. The Dubs are usually unable to take ultimate advantage of this but given Kerry's strength in depth they usually do. It will be interesting to hear who is crying about the ref after the Semi.
What kind of eejit thinks that a disallowed goal, a point that wasnt a point and a penalty decision are not "match winning" decisions ?
QuoteAs for Kerry and Dublin always getting the decision, can't support you on that one........
and I can fully understand why!
QuoteIt's unfortunate that Kerry often falll foul of the questionable decisions but never the match-winning ones. There is a clear anti-Ulster bias in the GAA and a pro-Kerry and Dublin one. The Dubs are usually unable to take ultimate advantage of this but given Kerry's strength in depth they usually do. It will be interesting to hear who is crying about the ref after the Semi.
QuoteWhat kind of eejit thinks that a disallowed goal, a point that wasnt a point and a penalty decision are not "match winning" decisions ?
Remind me again - who WON the game?
QuoteRemind me again - who WON the game?
We did. We have also won 34 AI.
Armagh have won only 1 AI, played 2 and lost 2 this year and they lost the Nicky Rackard cup last sunday.
Anything else you'd like me to remind you of ?
QuoteWhats all this bullsh1t about dessie mone and the gooch? Its a big boys game and if the gooch is going to be treated like the a protected species then off course the guy marking him is going to pick up a tick or two and then cards , simple .
I thought Dessie had a great 1st half on the gooch , who by the way is not one bit shy about putting in the sly digs himself.
JP mone gave a display on donaghy , who also is not one bit afraid to throw his ample frame around the place, JP jumped with him all day and Donaghy was getting more and more fustrated as the day progressed, Colm Flanagan totally nullified MFR who showed everyone in the country what he is about , piss and wind , 3 times i saw him cleary pull out of contact/tackles and how he stayed on the field so long is a mystery to me , he clearly had no stomach for it once the "noise" started to get louder and louder, would be surprised to see him start again this campaign.
QuoteGary Mc Quaid was my man of the match , he totally bossed Brosnan from start to finish and Mr Brosnan was another Kerry man who has to have a good look at himself , again when the "noise" started he did'nt want to know and like MFR he shyed away from contact more than once.
Quoteas for this percieved notion that Dick got a cheap shot in on Donaghy , as i said earlier Donaghy ain't afraid to give it so he'll have to learn to take it as well.
It wasnt the Kerry players that led throughout the game and then choked a 2 point lead with 6 minutes to go....but of course its easier for you to vent your spleen on players like Gooch, Donaghy, Brosnan and especially MFR who, whenever he plays badly, always has some know-it-all like you reading his mind and devining that it was becasue he hasnt the bottle.
MFR has 4 AI medals in his back pocket...he wouldnt get near the Kerry panel let alone the team if he didnt have the stomach for the big occasion...and he certainly wouldnt be
there for 10 years if he didnt have the bottle.
The only chokers out their were wearing white and blue, the sooner you face up to that instead of taking cheap shots at Kerry players, then the sooner defeat in an AI qtr-final will not be seen as a "great year for Monaghan"
QuoteWe did. We have also won 34 AI.
Armagh have won only 1 AI, played 2 and lost 2 this year and they lost the Nicky Rackard cup last sunday.
Anything else you'd like me to remind you of ?
Just one thing - you're never on the receiving side of the match winning decisions.
Oops, I'd already said that, sorry, didn't mean to get your heckles up again!
QuoteThe only chokers out their were wearing white and blue, the sooner you face up to that instead of taking cheap shots at Kerry players, then the sooner defeat in an AI qtr-final will not be seen as a "great year for Monaghan"
Cheap shots aside, I've no gripe with the Kerry players, I just keep mine for the officials. In the last minutes when Monaghan were 1pt ahead, Dick Clerkin cleared his lines and was blatantly fouled in front of the ref. Instead of awarding a free from were the ball landed, he allowed play to continue, leading to Kerry's equalising point. A free at this stage to Monaghan may well have made it a 2pt game in their favour and left Kerry in the cold. To many neutrals the principal choker on the field was the ref!
QuoteJust one thing - you're never on the receiving side of the match winning decisions.
Seriously, stop being silly
QuoteCheap shots aside, I've no gripe with the Kerry players, I just keep mine for the officials. In the last minutes when Monaghan were 1pt ahead, Dick Clerkin cleared his lines and was blatantly fouled in front of the ref. Instead of awarding a free from were the ball landed, he allowed play to continue, leading to Kerry's equalising point. A free at this stage to Monaghan may well have made it a 2pt game in their favour and left Kerry in the cold. To many neutrals the principal choker on the field was the ref!
I was hoarse shouting at the ref...as far as I could see, every decison he gave against us in the last minutes was wrong. You, being biased against Kerry (...yes you are, stop lying !) interpreted those decisions differently.
Bottom line is that we are muuch sinned against as any other county when it comes to refs ('82 anyone ?) and Monaghan can certainly have no gripes given the disallowed goal, the penalty, the point that wasnt (I admit I didnt see that myself but I'll take my fellow Kerrymans word on it!) plus the fact that they could easiliy have had more sendings off.
Datsun- if the referee had done his job correctly dick clerkin would have departed the field of play at that stage and your gripe wouldn't even be an issue and elbow and a punch to the head are not to be condoned from any team in my view.
Datsun Donaghy/Mike Sheehy - please change the record.
The referee was poor. Monaghan's finishing at times, and possibly lack of experience at the end was the difference. It's pretty widely accepted that Monaghan dominated most of the play, yet we failed to make the scores that count.
Also, let's not make out that Kerry are saints and that poor Galvin and co. are timid creatures who were harsly tackled by the big bad men from up north - on other days, we've seen very different.
Lastly Mr Sheehy, an AI quarter final is a 'great year' for Monaghan, and will be remembered as such for a long time.
Monaghan is a small county with a population of approx 55,000 people whereas Kerry has a population of approx 140,000. Monaghan also have a fraction of the number of clubs that Kerry do. A quarter final is nothing to be laughed at.
Nor is beating Down, Derry, Donegal, and being narrowly defeated by Kerry and Tyrone, rated the top 2 teams at the start of the year.
Quote from: Maguire01 on August 15, 2007, 10:52:35 PM
Datsun Donaghy/Mike Sheehy - please change the record.
The referee was poor. Monaghan's finishing at times, and possibly lack of experience at the end was the difference. It's pretty widely accepted that Monaghan dominated most of the play, yet we failed to make the scores that count.
Also, let's not make out that Kerry are saints and that poor Galvin and co. are timid creatures who were harsly tackled by the big bad men from up north - on other days, we've seen very different.
Lastly Mr Sheehy, an AI quarter final is a 'great year' for Monaghan, and will be remembered as such for a long time.
Monaghan is a small county with a population of approx 55,000 people whereas Kerry has a population of approx 140,000. Monaghan also have a fraction of the number of clubs that Kerry do. A quarter final is nothing to be laughed at.
Nor is beating Down, Derry, Donegal, and being narrowly defeated by Kerry and Tyrone, rated the top 2 teams at the start of the year.
I agree Maguire lets leave it lie .Best of luck in 08 to Monaghan
QuoteAlso, let's not make out that Kerry are saints and that poor Galvin and co. are timid creatures who were harsly tackled by the big bad men from up north - on other days, we've seen very different.
Address that to your countyman subbie so, apparently half our team are indeed "timid creatures"
QuoteLastly Mr Sheehy, an AI quarter final is a 'great year' for Monaghan, and will be remembered as such for a long time.
Monaghan is a small county with a population of approx 55,000 people whereas Kerry has a population of approx 140,000. Monaghan also have a fraction of the number of clubs that Kerry do. A quarter final is nothing to be laughed at.
Nor is beating Down, Derry, Donegal, and being narrowly defeated by Kerry and Tyrone, rated the top 2 teams at the start of the year.
As usual, you lads ignore the context when quoting what I said. You reached a quarter final..great, I'm not knocking it, however, if someone from Monaghan is going to come on here and say that Brosnan, Donaghy or MFR shirked their duties then, in comparison to what those lads have achieved, yes, a quarter final is a piss poor return.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 15, 2007, 10:02:47 PM
QuoteJust one thing - you're never on the receiving side of the match winning decisions.
Seriously, stop being silly
QuoteCheap shots aside, I've no gripe with the Kerry players, I just keep mine for the officials. In the last minutes when Monaghan were 1pt ahead, Dick Clerkin cleared his lines and was blatantly fouled in front of the ref. Instead of awarding a free from were the ball landed, he allowed play to continue, leading to Kerry's equalising point. A free at this stage to Monaghan may well have made it a 2pt game in their favour and left Kerry in the cold. To many neutrals the principal choker on the field was the ref!
I was hoarse shouting at the ref...as far as I could see, every decison he gave against us in the last minutes was wrong. You, being biased against Kerry (...yes you are, stop lying !) interpreted those decisions differently.
Bottom line is that we are muuch sinned against as any other county when it comes to refs ('82 anyone ?) and Monaghan can certainly have no gripes given the disallowed goal, the penalty, the point that wasnt (I admit I didnt see that myself but I'll take my fellow Kerrymans word on it!) plus the fact that they could easiliy have had more sendings off.
Whinging about a game that was 25 years ago. Typical.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1zX-DDznyk
Great bit of pure Kerry football by the Bomber at 0.31 and there was me thinking that Armagh introduced the rugby tackle to football.
Also, let's not make out that Kerry are saints and that poor Galvin and co. are timid creatures who were harsly tackled by the big bad men from up north - on other days, we've seen very different
Address that to your countyman subbie so, apparently half our team are indeed "timid creatures"
Mike if you take the time to read everything I posted you would see that I said this
as for this percieved notion that Dick got a cheap shot in on Donaghy , as i said earlier Donaghy ain't afraid to give it so he'll have to learn to take it as well
I then , after having watched the game on Setanta said that Clerkin did indeed hit Donaghy a dirty blow and could have been sent off for the trouble, so try reading what has been posted before you start bellowing like an animal.
Now mike at no stage did i say that Donaghy shirk his responsibilities, he did'nt get much of a return for his efforts but did not go nto hiding.
Now as for MFR and Eoin Brosnan , they are indeed fine footballers of that there is no doubt , but there is also no doubt that they lack the necessary dangly bits when the temperature is cranked up a notch. Shortly after Brosnan stroked over a magnificent point ( his only one) he went on a short solo run , JP Mone met him with a perfectly legal shoulder , Brosnan went into hiding after that , shortly before the end of the 1st half he had a chance to go down , put his toe to the ball and carry on , what did he do ? Had a good look round to see who was coming before deciding to pass it soccer style, there were other times in the second half he did similar , always watching to see if he was gonna get into contact , if thats not "timid" i don't know what is QED.
MFR has 4 AI's , never called his medal collection into doubt. But again the fact remains that MFR leaves his guts behind him in Tralee or Farranfore when he heads for Dublin to take part in the proper part of the championship , MFR is a super footballer when playing Waterford in Dungarvan , not when he is playing a more robust and commited team, thats become clearer and clearer during the last 4 - 5 years.
I would be surprised to see Brosnan or MFR have any more then cameo roles in the remainder of the championship, numerous Kerry men i spoke to and enjoyed pints with on Sunday concured with that view.
Jeesh Subbie, you're not trying to say that MFR and Brosnan were...
...SOFT!? :P
Hard as a barbie dolls nails Fear , hard as barbies nails ;)
;D ;D
In fairness though, maybe Mike Sheehy had a point when he accused the Tyrone lads of being soft... but only those those of Tyrone blood playing for the Kingdom! :D
The attacks on Mike Frank and Brozie's character are wide of the mark. On this board, the formula seems to be if Mike Frank is having a poor game it is because he is afraid of physical contact, bullshit; Mike frank had a poor game because he got no ball. The one chance he got he scored. The conditions were poor on Sunday, Tom O'Sullivan let a ball between his legs which lead to a point, was he afraid of physical contact too? Mike Frank is a superb corner forward who has been playing 11 years at the top level, every day will not go well but he had a super Munster final when just as many hits were being landed. Brozzie had the balls to try and kick a equaliser against Armagh in 2002 as a 21 years old (he should have got it but he was brave enough to go for it), Brozzie's problem is that he is now suffering (as is Copper) for 18 months of constant football at the highest level, this 'moral coward' stood up for the whole of Croke's Munster campaign and got to goal which took them to the final. If ye want to attack Kerry, by all means do, but don't make the attacks personal. Next, we will be hearing that Galvin is soft because he got a shoulder injury and had to go off.
On another note, Mike Franks dad, played for Kerry. Indeed yer favourite Kerry man, Mr P Spillane, will tell anyone who listens that he replaced Mike Frank's father on his debut for Kerry. Ye Tyrone boys will stop at nothing in trying to claim us good Kerry folk. Next ye will be telling us the Cooper is from Tyrone because he visited there once (mind you it was to play a national league game in Omagh.
SDC, what goes around here comes around, and I would have more empathy with you had you taken issue with your own county man's unwarranted and gratuitious slurs on our footballers after the Monaghan game. When it's dished, it must be taken.
I don't doubt the class of MFR and Brosnan, and admire both of them greatly for their dedication and skills, and please don't mistake a little gentle ribbing for anything approaching contempt, which it most certainly is not. All part of the (not so) rough with the (not so) smooth.
Quote from: SuperDooperCooper on August 16, 2007, 11:42:59 AM
On another note, Mike Franks dad, played for Kerry. Indeed yer favourite Kerry man, Mr P Spillane, will tell anyone who listens that he replaced Mike Frank's father on his debut for Kerry. Ye Tyrone boys will stop at nothing in trying to claim us good Kerry folk. Next ye will be telling us the Cooper is from Tyrone because he visited there once (mind you it was to play a national league game in Omagh.
I'd imagine he was referring more to Donaghy!
Quote from: SuperDooperCooper on August 16, 2007, 11:42:59 AM
The attacks on Mike Frank and Brozie’s character are wide of the mark. On this board, the formula seems to be if Mike Frank is having a poor game it is because he is afraid of physical contact, bullshit; Mike frank had a poor game because he got no ball. The one chance he got he scored. The conditions were poor on Sunday, Tom O’Sullivan let a ball between his legs which lead to a point, was he afraid of physical contact too? Mike Frank is a superb corner forward who has been playing 11 years at the top level, every day will not go well but he had a super Munster final when just as many hits were being landed. Brozzie had the balls to try and kick a equaliser against Armagh in 2002 as a 21 years old (he should have got it but he was brave enough to go for it), Brozzie’s problem is that he is now suffering (as is Copper) for 18 months of constant football at the highest level, this ‘moral coward’ stood up for the whole of Croke’s Munster campaign and got to goal which took them to the final. If ye want to attack Kerry, by all means do, but don’t make the attacks personal. Next, we will be hearing that Galvin is soft because he got a shoulder injury and had to go off.
On another note, Mike Franks dad, played for Kerry. Indeed yer favourite Kerry man, Mr P Spillane, will tell anyone who listens that he replaced Mike Frank’s father on his debut for Kerry. Ye Tyrone boys will stop at nothing in trying to claim us good Kerry folk. Next ye will be telling us the Cooper is from Tyrone because he visited there once (mind you it was to play a national league game in Omagh.
Super dooper cooper , what has mfr's dad got to do with anything are you billy keane in disguise next we'll be hearing the puck ewe is the russel family coat of arms ;)
Get on with the hunt for tickets V d Dubs.
Ask MFR and Brosnan if they want to share your hang sangwiches and tay , they won't be getting the boots dirty anyway ;D
That would be my doing Subbie, I was of the opinion that MFR's father was from Tyrone originally (maybe his grandfather, or maybe he bought his dog in Dungannon?), and thought it something of a delicious irony that one of those accused of being softest in the Kerry vs Monaghan game (not a character slight, just an observation that he was wilfully awol in a specific (single) game) might actually have been of Tyrone stock but wearing a Kerry jersey, given the accusations emanating from the Kingdom direction levelled against ourselves of being soft in the aftermath of the Monaghan game ;)
If this belief of mine is totally without foundation I withdraw such despicable aspersions on MFR's origins forthwith, almost as bad as saying that he has a 6th cousin 4 times removed from Cork!
The crack's gone out of it now fear , the animals are'nt feeding ;D ;)
Quote from: SuperDooperCooper on August 16, 2007, 11:42:59 AM
Next, we will be hearing that Galvin is soft because he got a shoulder injury and had to go off.
yeah - how soft is Galvin?!
Quote from: SuperDooperCooper on August 16, 2007, 11:42:59 AM
Brozzie's problem is that he is now suffering (as is Copper) for 18 months of constant football at the highest level,
But sure you just had 6 weeks off and were giving out about that. You just can't win!
Ah, this is too easy.... :P
I'll get my coat.
QuoteMFR has 4 AI's , never called his medal collection into doubt. But again the fact remains that MFR leaves his guts behind him in Tralee or Farranfore when he heads for Dublin to take part in the proper part of the championship , MFR is a super footballer when playing Waterford in Dungarvan , not when he is playing a more robust and commited team, thats become clearer and clearer during the last 4 - 5 years.
Sure, what would a Monaghan man know about showing courage at the business end of the Championship.
Bottom line is the only chokers out there were from Monaghan....gutless and spineless when it came to the crunch.
QuoteWhinging about a game that was 25 years ago. Typical.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1zX-DDznyk
Great bit of pure Kerry football by the Bomber at 0.31 and there was me thinking that Armagh introduced the rugby tackle to football.
We are almost deaf from listening to you lads whinging about the '96 semi final. Soft as shite...a few belts and ye whinge for 11 years. Maybe ye'll shut up now that meath have dumped ye out with no controversy
..btw..wtf was Peter Canavan doing in that top twenty ? Its a travesty that simply scoring a few frees and coming back on in the 2003 AI is considered one of the top twenty greatest GAA Moments ..what a Joke (although they at least had the decency to place him in last place). Its a bit like those all-stars he won..more of a sympathy vote really.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 17, 2007, 12:48:50 AM
QuoteWhinging about a game that was 25 years ago. Typical.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1zX-DDznyk
Great bit of pure Kerry football by the Bomber at 0.31 and there was me thinking that Armagh introduced the rugby tackle to football.
We are almost deaf from listening to you lads whinging about the '96 semi final. Soft as shite...a few belts and ye whinge for 11 years. Maybe ye'll shut up now that meath have dumped ye out with no controversy
..btw..wtf was Peter Canavan doing in that top twenty ? Its a travesty that simply scoring a few frees and coming back on in the 2003 AI is considered one of the top twenty greatest GAA Moments ..what a Joke (although they at least had the decency to place him in last place). Its a bit like those all-stars he won..more of a sympathy vote really.
Starting to panic now Sheehy. ;) Just watched the Monaghan v Kerry game and I would panic too if I were a Kerry supporter.I don't know who will win the Meath v Cork game but whoever does will lift Sam this year. I expect Kerry will limp past Dublin too but no two in a row I'm afraid. 8)
Yes, given that ...err... astute.... analysis of our chances it is no surprise that you have never kicked a ball
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 17, 2007, 12:22:36 AM
QuoteMFR has 4 AI's , never called his medal collection into doubt. But again the fact remains that MFR leaves his guts behind him in Tralee or Farranfore when he heads for Dublin to take part in the proper part of the championship , MFR is a super footballer when playing Waterford in Dungarvan , not when he is playing a more robust and commited team, thats become clearer and clearer during the last 4 - 5 years.
Sure, what would a Monaghan man know about showing courage at the business end of the Championship.
Bottom line is the only chokers out there were from Monaghan....gutless and spineless when it came to the crunch.
But not as gutless and spineless as Michelle frank russell and F eoin a brosnan, as i said Mike , they leave their guts behind them in Kerry when they head for croker, and I'm not just saying this as a Monaghan man.I said it when they played Tyrone, Armagh,Donegal , Cork etc etc etc zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Face up to the reality of the situation , I know it may be hard and you are probably in denial but thats understandable. There is help out there , and you do have some great subs on the bench and even though football is over for those two for the rest of this year as no-one wants a windy cnut playing beside them although won't it make a great fundraising venture during the Autumn to have a treasure hunt round the Kingdom , I can see the posters now " Monster treasure hunt , starts 9am sharp @ Gleneagle hotel carpark, help us find MFR's and Eoins balls , we have no clues to give you but we suggest you look in left luggage Farranfore airport. Entry fee €10 per car , all proceeds to Kerry football holiday fund" ;D ;D
As for your attack on Peter Canavan cop on like a good chap undoubtly the best footballer I have ever had the pleasure of watching.
Now run along mike , have'nt you got a treasure hunt to organise ;D ;D
Good lord, what is it with teams in blue and white this year whinging about everything after a defeat?
Brolly's take on the match in today's Gaelic Life:
Farney finest the real deal
'Ifeel as if my heart has been ripped out," said Seamus McEneaney's after last Sunday's shattering defeat to Kerry. He didn't need to say it since the tears rolling down his face were evidence enough in themselves. He gets the managerial oscar for 2007 though it will be scant consolation in light of events. Rory Woods looked positively ill when receiving the man of the match award and found it impossible to concentrate on the questions being put to him by the RTE interviewer.
The Monaghan team and manager appreciate that at this level it's life or death and there is nothing for losers. They had come to beat Kerry en route to an All-Ireland and nothing less was going to suffice. They are a serious unit, fully deserving of our respect. It is obvious that they were psychologically ready to beat Kerry and advance to a semi-final against the Dubs which I feel it's likely they would have won. The fact that they were mentally ready to succeed is a testament to the excellent work of the regime. You can see from their sculpted physiques that all of the crucial conditioning work has been
done. Afterwards the Kerry boys spoke of how hard and often they were hit in the course of the game.
Seamus has also implemented an extremely effective gameplan which reduces the opposition's attacking area to a congested mess. His counter attack plan completes the jigsaw. He has demonstrated in the course of this year his tactical knowledge and versatility from the clever use of Damien Freeman as a sweeper, to the deployment of Vinney Corey at fullback or full-forward depending on the circumstances. He is also a passionate and charismatic leader. His Monaghan team are proof of the simple fact that if a team pursues the highest standards at all times, it will succeed.
Their catenaccio defensive web made it impossible for Kerry to play the expansive football they wanted to. Colm Cooper and Mike Frank Russell were peripheral figures throughout and the normally freescoring Kerry halfforward line were kept in a vice by Monaghan's carefully orchestrated traffic jam. Such an effective swarm defence does not emerge from a discussion in the changing room on the Wednesday before the game but must be carefully worked on night after night in intensive training games. Likewise their superb work on winning the kickouts, an area where they not only dominated Donegal and Kerry but where they gave Tyrone, themselves masters of the breaking ball, a lesson in the dark art.
In that Ulster final they won 23 kick-outs to Tyrone's 9.
Up front they have an extremely effective attacking spearhead but they discovered, perhaps to their surprise, that Kerry's defence is as mean and well organised as they come. This Kerry team have watched and learned from Tyrone and Armagh and swamped the defensive area themselves, so keeping Monaghan's tally down and ensuring opportunities were as scarce as hen's teeth. The powerful Rory Woods made headway running from deep but the other forwards, even the excellent Thomas Freeman were very well tied up. Any scores they did get were of the highest order because they had to be.
In spite of the fact that Vinney Corey played at full-forward, Monaghan did not suffer defensively and in Kieran Donaghy's 18-month tenure as the game's marquee forward, Monaghan's defensive work was by far the best he has encountered.
Again, Monaghan had carefully prepared for Kieran, with logic and common sense to the fore. They made sure that at all times he was taken when he came down, with a man in front and behind. It was a magnificent effort by Monaghan and it almost got them over the line. However, even without scoring himself Star creates pandemonium, and it was his presence that createdthe crucial score. Make no mistake Kerry needed that goal and without it would have lost. Even though Monghan scored the next two points, the goal had changed the spirit of the game and Kerry played with more freedom in thelast 10 minutes than they had done all day.
There is no point patronizing Monaghan's effort, Seamus McEneaney and his players are realistic enough to know that they lost the game because they lost the last 10 minutes. The fact that he was not interested in any after match suggestions that they had put up a great show suggests that this Monaghan side will redouble their efforts to win next year's All-Ireland.
Monaghan under Seamus McEneaney are operating at maximum capacity which is more than can be said for Derry.
....and brolly will get another big wad of cash for replicating exactly the same article in his newspaper column on sunday (I presume these are two diff media entities)
At least he did get around to mentioning Monaghan at some stage this year. Even if he did wait until they were out.
QuoteBut not as gutless and spineless as Michelle frank russell and F eoin a brosnan, as i said Mike , they leave their guts behind them in Kerry when they head for croker, and I'm not just saying this as a Monaghan man.I said it when they played Tyrone, Armagh,Donegal , Cork etc etc etc zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
2 points up...6 minutes to go...first semi-final in 22 years at stake and ye blew it....and you question the mettle of MFR and Brosnan...!!
Face it, you are just bitter about losing and you are trying to latch onto anything to have a go. Bit sad really...it would be more in your line to do question your own players and their lack of guts when it mattered.
Quote from: Maguire01 on August 17, 2007, 06:16:04 PM
At least he did get around to mentioning Monaghan at some stage this year. Even if he did wait until they were out.
He only noticed Monaghan were in the competition after Derry went out Maguire.
also, all slagging aside, (becasue Monaghan did put in a great effort which I will gladly acknowledge despite subbies provocations ) is there not a fierce double standard with Northern
commentators in the way they judge their own versus sides like Kerry, Dublin and Cork. Lets be honest, Brolly gave Monaghan a free pass there. He actually praised their mental strength..fair enough..but can you imagine what he would have said if kerry had lost with a 2 point lead and only 6 mins to go....jesus it would have been brutal. Every lazy insult to the charcater of the Kerry players would have
been trotted out.
Which would you rather...to have Spillane questioning your style of play or Brolly questioning your character ? I'd take the questioning of style any day......If ye're honest you lads will see that you get off lightly really.
Quote from: The Subbie on August 17, 2007, 09:01:55 AM
But not as gutless and spineless as Michelle frank russell and F eoin a brosnan, as i said Mike , they leave their guts behind them in Kerry when they head for croker, and I'm not just saying this as a Monaghan man.I said it when they played Tyrone, Armagh,Donegal , Cork etc etc etc zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Face up to the reality of the situation , I know it may be hard and you are probably in denial but thats understandable. There is help out there , and you do have some great subs on the bench and even though football is over for those two for the rest of this year as no-one wants a windy cnut playing beside them although won't it make a great fundraising venture during the Autumn to have a treasure hunt round the Kingdom , I can see the posters now " Monster treasure hunt , starts 9am sharp @ Gleneagle hotel carpark, help us find MFR's and Eoins balls , we have no clues to give you but we suggest you look in left luggage Farranfore airport. Entry fee €10 per car , all proceeds to Kerry football holiday fund" ;D ;D
How long have you being watching gaelic football? If for 5 to 10 years you were definitely not paying much attention. For the first 5 years of his career Mike Frank was one of the deadliest forwards in the game. The courage and conviction he displayed when going for scores were second to none. Along with Seamus Moynihan he was the only other Kerry player to emerge from the '01 Meath debacle with reputation intact. He may not be the player he was 5 years ago but he is still a great player, over 10 years of playing top class county and club football can take its toll. For me he will go down as one of the greatest forwards I have ever had to pleasure to witness playing. Here's hoping he will have a fifth AI medal in his back pocket come Sept 16th.
Seamus / Mike , I actually said in a post after the game that I want Kerry to go and win it now and I still stand by that , I also said that Kerry had a wee bit too much for us at the end and they did. The fact remains that MFR and Brosnan did hide during the match, all slagging and messing aside.
If you one or both want to fill your heads with images of MFR in full flight 7 or 8 years ago , go right ahead , The main thrust of what i'm trying to say is that Brosnan and MFR are good footballers , thats a fact but there is a question mark over their abilities when defenders skirt close to the laws of the game vis a vis physical contact.
If Kerry are to win it they will have to beat the dubs first and I'm sure you'll agree the pillar won't be afraid to tell the lads what to do when they get the chance, not nice but again fact.
I've had enough of this now I'm away for a pint 8)