https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2024/0513/1448909-cavanagh-clarifies-gaa-comments-after-burns-riposte/
I haven't pulled out the recent accounts but I remember seeing a couple of years ago 40, 50, 60million of cash reserves and a balance sheet of €100million. I'm an accountant, I know this stuff.
"For an amateur organisation owned by the members, owned by the people that are lining pitches, by people in every club up and down the country, for me that looks like a very healthy position.
"I previously worked with a lot of soccer organisations, a lot of them go bust all the time and haven't got 2p to rub together. For me, the GAA is in a very healthy financial position, they're acquiring lots of strategic assets all over the country.
Quote from: seafoid on May 13, 2024, 10:12:13 PM"I haven't pulled out the recent accounts but I remember seeing a couple of years ago 40, 50, 60million of cash reserves and a balance sheet of €100million. I'm an accountant, I know this stuff.
"For an amateur organisation owned by the members, owned by the people that are lining pitches, by people in every club up and down the country, for me that looks like a very healthy position."
"I previously worked with a lot of soccer organisations, a lot of them go bust all the time and haven't got 2p to rub together. For me, the GAA is in a very healthy financial position, they're acquiring lots of strategic assets all over the country.
All of these comments are still not consistent with his initial statement in which he said, "the GAA is one of the richest organisations in the world."
Furthermore, Burns' comments - if I recall correctly - talked about a turnover in the region of 140 million Euro, and a context in which the GAA will be expected to contribute somewhere in the region of 500 million Euro in the coming years to a range of major GAA projects across the country.
I don't think Cavanagh's response does much to justify his initial comments, nor rebuff Burns' criticism.
Cavanagh was a great footballer and is a poor pundit. His tendency to try to be controversial has come back to bite him here. Burns has him bang to rights. That noise you can hear is him backpedalling.
It's not that he's a poor pundit - it's that he comes across as a dick. There's always an agenda or a dig. At least if other ones are poor at punditry they come across as decent enough sorts. He doesn't sell himself as either. Be better off without him.
Maybe he was saying that the GAA is in a good position (financially) and talk of using streaming services such as GAAGO is not really a big revenue builder?
What are the figures on money brought in by GAAGO?
A lot of people will use a stick to watch GAAGO, so a lot of money being lost there, would promoting it more via the networks TG4 (who have been a winter lifeline) and RTE give the GAA more revenue through raised numbers in GAA membership and whatever add on that brings.
As for saying that we only used to see one or two games a week back in the day, that horse has bolted a long time ago, the premier league in soccer people were saying its more diluted with the amount of games they show, but I'd say figures for interest worldwide for soccer and the premier league gets bigger.
TG4 most likely doesn't have the money though.
Sean said he missed the word amateur as in they are a very rich amateur group.
Burns is turning into a politician. Of course they gaa are rich, whatever the offical figure is they are far richer.
Where do you think all the money comes from for brown envelopes
A point I've made about GAAGO a few times is that, to me, it 100% seems like a staging post on the route to semi-pro. Once it gets really established costs will further recede and profits increase. I've no doubt Sean K looks at GAA financial figures through his previous GPA head - how long before we hear 'GAAGO made €Xm this year and the players who are the product get nothing' only a matter of time imo.
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 14, 2024, 09:34:29 AMSean said he missed the word amateur as in they are a very rich amateur group.
Burns is turning into a politician. Of course they gaa are rich, whatever the offical figure is they are far richer.
Where do you think all the money comes from for brown envelopes
This makes zero sense. Have to seen the turnover figures and the amijbt that is required in the next while?
What brown envelopes to to who are you talking about?
Quote from: bennydorano on May 14, 2024, 09:36:35 AMA point I've made about GAAGO a few times is that, to me, it 100% seems like a staging post on the route to semi-pro GAA. Once it gets really established costs will further recede and profits increase. I've no doubt Sean K looks at GAA financial figures throough his previous GPA head - how long before we hear 'GAAGO made €Xm this year and the players who are the product get nothing' only a matter of time imo.
How is that different than 'the GAA got €Xm from Sky/RTE/TG4 this year...'
I don't necessarily understand the point here (not specifically yours Benny), is it that all games should be available free to air all the time? Or just all the good games? Who should pay for this? Should funds be diverted from capital projects so that people can sit at home with a bowl of crisp and crack open a beer to watch the games?
And Sean Cavanagh has just been completely embarrassed with his hyperbolic statement being called out, I teel you what, based on his handle on numbers I wouldn't be wanting to drop a set of company accounts in to him.
Quote from: JoG2 on May 14, 2024, 09:47:33 AMQuote from: tyrone08 on May 14, 2024, 09:34:29 AMSean said he missed the word amateur as in they are a very rich amateur group.
Burns is turning into a politician. Of course they gaa are rich, whatever the offical figure is they are far richer.
Where do you think all the money comes from for brown envelopes
This makes zero sense. Have to seen the turnover figures and the amijbt that is required in the next while?
What brown envelopes to to who are you talking about?
The point is for an amateur organization to have cash reserves of tens of millions of pounds they can hardly call themselves poor.
If they care about raising revenue then wouldnt it be easier to drop the ticket prices a bit to encourage more attendance.
The brown envelopes are the payements made to every manager in the gaa, these arent exactly going through the books now are they.
I actually dont have an issue with paying for some games but for Burns to come out and justify it by saying we need the money while having large cash reserves is just wrong.
The brown envelope thing is on clubs though.
The GAA are not a poor organisation however there are significant overheads as Burns is pointing to so they continually need to be on the ball with generating revenue etc.
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 14, 2024, 10:10:52 AMQuote from: JoG2 on May 14, 2024, 09:47:33 AMQuote from: tyrone08 on May 14, 2024, 09:34:29 AMSean said he missed the word amateur as in they are a very rich amateur group.
Burns is turning into a politician. Of course they gaa are rich, whatever the offical figure is they are far richer.
Where do you think all the money comes from for brown envelopes
This makes zero sense. Have to seen the turnover figures and the amijbt that is required in the next while?
What brown envelopes to to who are you talking about?
The point is for an amateur organization to have cash reserves of tens of millions of pounds they can hardly call themselves poor.
If they care about raising revenue then wouldnt it be easier to drop the ticket prices a bit to encourage more attendance.
The brown envelopes are the payements made to every manager in the gaa, these arent exactly going through the books now are they.
I actually dont have an issue with paying for some games but for Burns to come out and justify it by saying we need the money while having large cash reserves is just wrong.
Surely they have to have cash reserves when they multiple projects to plan for annually?
The GAA has just offered €25 euro off when buying the Qualifier package...hopefully only the start (they really need to make the season ticket more attractive)
Brown envelopes within clubs, how is this relevant? That's between clubs and whoever fills those brown envelopes.. That's a discussion to be had but surely not relevant here?
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 14, 2024, 10:10:52 AMQuote from: JoG2 on May 14, 2024, 09:47:33 AMQuote from: tyrone08 on May 14, 2024, 09:34:29 AMSean said he missed the word amateur as in they are a very rich amateur group.
Burns is turning into a politician. Of course they gaa are rich, whatever the offical figure is they are far richer.
Where do you think all the money comes from for brown envelopes
This makes zero sense. Have to seen the turnover figures and the amijbt that is required in the next while?
What brown envelopes to to who are you talking about?
The point is for an amateur organization to have cash reserves of tens of millions of pounds they can hardly call themselves poor.
If they care about raising revenue then wouldnt it be easier to drop the ticket prices a bit to encourage more attendance.
The brown envelopes are the payements made to every manager in the gaa, these arent exactly going through the books now are they.
I actually dont have an issue with paying for some games but for Burns to come out and justify it by saying we need the money while having large cash reserves is just wrong.
But surely its all relative, while (as far as I can see) at the end of 2023 there was 'cash' of circa €45,000,000 there are proposal capital projects of circa €500,000,000 in the coming years (if Burns is to be believed), as such having cash in the bank is irrelevant.
As intommygunn say, the brown envelope issue is a local issue and unfoirtunately all (or 99%) of our clubs (assuming most of us are members) are involved.
Quote from: lfdown2 on May 14, 2024, 09:48:45 AMQuote from: bennydorano on May 14, 2024, 09:36:35 AMA point I've made about GAAGO a few times is that, to me, it 100% seems like a staging post on the route to semi-pro GAA. Once it gets really established costs will further recede and profits increase. I've no doubt Sean K looks at GAA financial figures throough his previous GPA head - how long before we hear 'GAAGO made €Xm this year and the players who are the product get nothing' only a matter of time imo.
How is that different than 'the GAA got €Xm from Sky/RTE/TG4 this year...'
I don't necessarily understand the point here (not specifically yours Benny), is it that all games should be available free to air all the time? Or just all the good games? Who should pay for this? Should funds be diverted from capital projects so that people can sit at home with a bowl of crisp and crack open a beer to watch the games?
And Sean Cavanagh has just been completely embarrassed with his hyperbolic statement being called out, I teel you what, based on his handle on numbers I wouldn't be wanting to drop a set of company accounts in to him.
Should be considerably more money generated by having no middle man operator, which should only increase with getting better established / growth and after the initial costs subside.
It is surely a stepping stone. It's not really dear at all and you would expect it to get dearer over time. I think they are dipping their toes in the water to see how it takes off.
Quote from: lfdown2 on May 14, 2024, 10:22:15 AMBut surely its all relative, while (as far as I can see) at the end of 2023 there was 'cash' of circa €45,000,000 there are proposal capital projects of circa €500,000,000 in the coming years (if Burns is to be believed), as such having cash in the bank is irrelevant.
Sean Cavanagh is an embarrassment. Everyone knows that the GAA is going to have to uprate its contribution to Casement to at least reflect inflation and that would in itself use up a large part of that sum. And even if the whole Euros thing collapses they are still going to have to spend a significant amount on some sort of stadium there and perhaps a refurbishment of Clones if the big scheme in Belfast is reduced. No doubt HQ has to make contributions to the likes of the projects in Louth, Meath and Kildare, that would account for most of the remainder. People are always calling for expenditure on this and that.
A bit like life
We want to pay less tax but want more public spending......
What is the big deal about what Cavanagh has said anyway?. The GAA has cash in the bank and is asset rich therefore some people might think it is a wealthy organisation. Bit of an over reaction from Burns IMO.
Quote from: clarshack on May 14, 2024, 11:33:43 AMWhat is the big deal about what Cavanagh has said anyway?. The GAA has cash in the bank and is asset rich therefore some people might think it is a wealthy organisation. Bit of an over reaction from Burns IMO.
Burns was bang on and put Cavanagh back in his wee box.
Having cash reserves is good management as you never know what your revenue streams will generate year on year, plus the GAA will be contributing to all those centres of excellence springing up in every county and investing in other areas too.
If the GAA were borrowing money year on year to stay afloat it would be deemed poor management and rightly so.
As for the brown envelopes comment, get involved in your own club and put an end to it from within and stop gurning about it, it's nothing to do with Burns or Croke Park.
Quote from: clarshack on May 14, 2024, 11:33:43 AMWhat is the big deal about what Cavanagh has said anyway?. The GAA has cash in the bank and is asset rich therefore some people might think it is a wealthy organisation. Bit of an over reaction from Burns IMO.
It has cash in the bank and a thousand uses for that cash, free streaming would be somewhere in the 900s on that list.
The big deal is that he was wrong, and Burns corrected him. Emphatically.
Seems a few moany Tyronies are a bit touchy about Saint Sean being called out on his nonsense.
Quote from: gallsman on May 14, 2024, 12:17:06 PMThe big deal is that he was wrong, and Burns corrected him. Emphatically.
Seems a few moany Tyronies are a bit touchy about Saint Sean being called out on his nonsense.
He was caught out spouting BS and has now doubled down on it.
Burns perfectly right to slap him down.
Really strange misstep for someone working in the financial industry.
Quote from: johnnycool on May 14, 2024, 11:44:04 AMQuote from: clarshack on May 14, 2024, 11:33:43 AMWhat is the big deal about what Cavanagh has said anyway?. The GAA has cash in the bank and is asset rich therefore some people might think it is a wealthy organisation. Bit of an over reaction from Burns IMO.
Burns was bang on and put Cavanagh back in his wee box.
Having cash reserves is good management as you never know what your revenue streams will generate year on year, plus the GAA will be contributing to all those centres of excellence springing up in every county and investing in other areas too.
If the GAA were borrowing money year on year to stay afloat it would be deemed poor management and rightly so.
As for the brown envelopes comment, get involved in your own club and put an end to it from within and stop gurning about it, it's nothing to do with Burns or Croke Park.
You may tell Burns its nothing to do with him then, he has made it one of his objectives to cut down on under table payments.
What Sean said was that gaa are a rich organization, they have millions in reserves and assests worth hundreds of millions. This is all factual correct.
Beside people not liking Sean what did he say that was incorrect ?
Burns could have addressed the issue in a number of better ways but he didnt.
Quote from: NAG1 on May 14, 2024, 12:20:03 PMQuote from: gallsman on May 14, 2024, 12:17:06 PMThe big deal is that he was wrong, and Burns corrected him. Emphatically.
Seems a few moany Tyronies are a bit touchy about Saint Sean being called out on his nonsense.
He was caught out spouting BS and has now doubled down on it.
Burns perfectly right to slap him down.
Really strange misstep for someone working in the financial industry.
He probably didn't expect to get pulled on it so quickly and publically by Burns who seems to be setting his stall out early doors in the press.
He gave William Crawley his fill of it on Radio Ulster Talkback a few weeks back as well.
Cavanagh said "The GAA are one of the richest organisations in the world" which is what Burns was responding to. Cavanagh hadn't backtracked at that point.
Under the table payments is a totally different issue to whether ot not the GAA are rich.
Burns was 100% right to go on the radio yesterday. Its great to have a president who will defend the GAA. Can you imagine that disaster Larry McCarthy doing the same thing?
And I would imagine most 'Tyronies' would agree or certainly the ones I talk to - Cavanagh was one of our best ever players but as a pundit he is absolutely shocking whether he is talkign about on or off the field issues.
Quote from: johnnycool on May 14, 2024, 12:26:34 PMQuote from: NAG1 on May 14, 2024, 12:20:03 PMQuote from: gallsman on May 14, 2024, 12:17:06 PMThe big deal is that he was wrong, and Burns corrected him. Emphatically.
Seems a few moany Tyronies are a bit touchy about Saint Sean being called out on his nonsense.
He was caught out spouting BS and has now doubled down on it.
Burns perfectly right to slap him down.
Really strange misstep for someone working in the financial industry.
He probably didn't expect to get pulled on it so quickly and publically by Burns who seems to be setting his stall out early doors in the press.
He gave William Crawley his fill of it on Radio Ulster Talkback a few weeks back as well.
With regards to Casement if that's the interview he gave, I did hear him on radio Ulster but not sure if it was him or Joel .. Look he can't believe himself that the amount that Croke is willing to give is the same amount that was agreed at the start (or thereabouts) considering how its been fucked up by parts of the association
He's good at doubling down himself in that regard, rightly or wrong
Quote from: clarshack on May 14, 2024, 11:33:43 AMWhat is the big deal about what Cavanagh has said anyway?. The GAA has cash in the bank and is asset rich therefore some people might think it is a wealthy organisation. Bit of an over reaction from Burns IMO.
I think the issue was that the subject matter has the potential to be quite emotive - the conflict between needing to raise revenue and at the same time trying to ensure that the product is available to as large an audience as possible.
I thought Cavanagh's approach played on that emotion - the inference of the cold, cash hungry GAA denying many the right to see our games, in their pursuit of money.
It could not go unchallenged and the response was an extremely powerful put down.
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on May 14, 2024, 12:34:15 PMI think the issue was that the subject matter has the potential to be quite emotive - the conflict between needing to raise revenue and at the same time trying to ensure that the product is available to as large an audience as possible.
I thought Cavanagh's approach played on that emotion - the inference of the cold, cash hungry GAA denying many the right to see our games, in their pursuit of money.
It could not go unchallenged and the response was an extremely powerful put down.
This is absolutely the crux of it and what he was implying.
The condensed season with all the extra matches in a shorter period of time is the real problem. It's hard to keep up with what is happening and not everything can be televised. GAA people have developed expectations about what will be available. And the football product isn't what it used to be either.
Quote from: lfdown2 on May 14, 2024, 09:48:45 AMQuote from: bennydorano on May 14, 2024, 09:36:35 AMA point I've made about GAAGO a few times is that, to me, it 100% seems like a staging post on the route to semi-pro GAA. Once it gets really established costs will further recede and profits increase. I've no doubt Sean K looks at GAA financial figures throough his previous GPA head - how long before we hear 'GAAGO made €Xm this year and the players who are the product get nothing' only a matter of time imo.
How is that different than 'the GAA got €Xm from Sky/RTE/TG4 this year...'
I don't necessarily understand the point here (not specifically yours Benny), is it that all games should be available free to air all the time? Or just all the good games? Who should pay for this? Should funds be diverted from capital projects so that people can sit at home with a bowl of crisp and crack open a beer to watch the games?
And Sean Cavanagh has just been completely embarrassed with his hyperbolic statement being called out, I teel you what, based on his handle on numbers I wouldn't be wanting to drop a set of company accounts in to him.
100%.
He's trying to be controversial and failing miserably.
Not a good pundit, doesn't offer any insight and does regularly have digs at people. A poor man's Joe Brolly.
No need to be tarnishing a mans business ffs!
If he's not great at being a pundit, that's grand, but lots of lads behind the computer putting a mans and his families business down is out of order
Ai that is too far - delete...
Thought I'd kept it at an acceptable level by not detailing what I'd heard - but happy to remove if others feel that's over the line.
Cavanagh is rightly lauded as one of the best we have produced. He delivered year after year.
Quality player.
But f**k me he has been talking pure shite as a pundit for quite some time now.
And now he is sticking his nose into this when he has limited understanding and just makes throwaway comments.
Smacks of attention seeking and of someone wanting to remain relevant and keep the cushty gigs on tv/radio coming.
Great footballer but full of shite as a pundit
Quote from: gallsman on May 14, 2024, 12:42:11 PMQuote from: Rufus T Firefly on May 14, 2024, 12:34:15 PMI think the issue was that the subject matter has the potential to be quite emotive - the conflict between needing to raise revenue and at the same time trying to ensure that the product is available to as large an audience as possible.
I thought Cavanagh's approach played on that emotion - the inference of the cold, cash hungry GAA denying many the right to see our games, in their pursuit of money.
It could not go unchallenged and the response was an extremely powerful put down.
This is absolutely the crux of it and what he was implying.
While making a buck out of it himself, does he not see the hypocrisy in his own position.
Any anyone from Tyrone raising the issue of brown envelopes has an absolute cheek with the number of their clubs even down the divisions engaging in it. As well as the number of Tyrone coaches all over the country happily taking these payments.
Burns was 100% right to slap this down.
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 14, 2024, 01:00:16 PMThought I'd kept it at an acceptable level by not detailing what I'd heard - but happy to remove if others feel that's over the line.
A woman past away, few months back, had fallen when she got home after feeling unwell and past away.
She'd been to a local restaurant, and before you know it, she'd caught food poisoning and dropped dead because of it, all baseless and untrue, did it stop the business from closing down? did it feck.
That story made its way round to me twice within 3 or 4 days..
Loose lips and all that
"Besides not liking Sean what did he say that's incorrect?"
First of all I'm completely biased here and i know it. Cavanagh is quite probably the worst pundit in history. His lack of research is appalling, on a par with Spillane and Brolly, but he's just no loquacious enough to cover it up. He has an odd sense of humour. And his sense of place - I.e. talking about grassroots - always seems based on what he reads on Twitter rather than what's happening in an actual club.
So what did he say that's incorrect? From my perspective he's taking swipes and he doesn't have the foggiest what it is he's swiping at. He's just throwing out irrelevances. Joining in on conversation that he doesn't care much about, and accidentally taking it off on a new angle that nobody needs.
Quote from: NAG1 on May 14, 2024, 01:05:54 PMQuote from: gallsman on May 14, 2024, 12:42:11 PMQuote from: Rufus T Firefly on May 14, 2024, 12:34:15 PMI think the issue was that the subject matter has the potential to be quite emotive - the conflict between needing to raise revenue and at the same time trying to ensure that the product is available to as large an audience as possible.
I thought Cavanagh's approach played on that emotion - the inference of the cold, cash hungry GAA denying many the right to see our games, in their pursuit of money.
It could not go unchallenged and the response was an extremely powerful put down.
This is absolutely the crux of it and what he was implying.
While making a buck out of it himself, does he not see the hypocrisy in his own position.
Any anyone from Tyrone raising the issue of brown envelopes has an absolute cheek with the number of their clubs even down the divisions engaging in it. As well as the number of Tyrone coaches all over the country happily taking these payments.
Burns was 100% right to slap this
Quote from: NAG1 on May 14, 2024, 01:05:54 PMQuote from: gallsman on May 14, 2024, 12:42:11 PMQuote from: Rufus T Firefly on May 14, 2024, 12:34:15 PMI think the issue was that the subject matter has the potential to be quite emotive - the conflict between needing to raise revenue and at the same time trying to ensure that the product is available to as large an audience as possible.
I thought Cavanagh's approach played on that emotion - the inference of the cold, cash hungry GAA denying many the right to see our games, in their pursuit of money.
It could not go unchallenged and the response was an extremely powerful put down.
This is absolutely the crux of it and what he was implying.
While making a buck out of it himself, does he not see the hypocrisy in his own position.
Any anyone from Tyrone raising the issue of brown envelopes has an absolute cheek with the number of their clubs even down the divisions engaging in it. As well as the number of Tyrone coaches all over the country happily taking these payments.
Burns was 100% right to slap this down.
down.
So no one can raise the issue of envelopes because their own county is at it? Bit of a stupid argument really. I can raise it and because my own county does it doesn't make it right.
I could raise its rich that Burns sets out stopping payments as one of his objectives considering armagh are playing kierarn a fortune for achieving nothing.
Bought time gaa addressed the issue and set a maximum limit. However this is a different discussion.
You mean not providing free entertainment to casual armchair followers of gaelic games ?
Quote from: Rossfan on May 14, 2024, 02:29:17 PMYou mean not providing free entertainment to casual armchair followers of gaelic games ?
No I mean there's elderly people, gave their life to GAA, not well enough to go to games that can't afford to pay and families can't afford it or to take crowd kids to a local pub.
Quote from: thewobbler on May 14, 2024, 01:18:01 PM"Besides not liking Sean what did he say that's incorrect?"
First of all I'm completely biased here and i know it. Cavanagh is quite probably the worst pundit in history. His lack of research is appalling, on a par with Spillane and Brolly, but he's just no loquacious enough to cover it up. He has an odd sense of humour. And his sense of place - I.e. talking about grassroots - always seems based on what he reads on Twitter rather than what's happening in an actual club.
So what did he say that's incorrect? From my perspective he's taking swipes and he doesn't have the foggiest what it is he's swiping at. He's just throwing out irrelevances. Joining in on conversation that he doesn't care much about, and accidentally taking it off on a new angle that nobody needs.
Worse than Tony Davis?
Quote from: clarshack on May 14, 2024, 02:52:39 PMQuote from: thewobbler on May 14, 2024, 01:18:01 PM"Besides not liking Sean what did he say that's incorrect?"
First of all I'm completely biased here and i know it. Cavanagh is quite probably the worst pundit in history. His lack of research is appalling, on a par with Spillane and Brolly, but he's just no loquacious enough to cover it up. He has an odd sense of humour. And his sense of place - I.e. talking about grassroots - always seems based on what he reads on Twitter rather than what's happening in an actual club.
So what did he say that's incorrect? From my perspective he's taking swipes and he doesn't have the foggiest what it is he's swiping at. He's just throwing out irrelevances. Joining in on conversation that he doesn't care much about, and accidentally taking it off on a new angle that nobody needs.
Worse than Tony Davis?
Paul "and your just thinking to yourself" Flynn would like a word.
Worse than anyone.
Quote from: Truthsayer on May 14, 2024, 02:36:28 PMQuote from: Rossfan on May 14, 2024, 02:29:17 PMYou mean not providing free entertainment to casual armchair followers of gaelic games ?
No I mean there's elderly people, gave their life to GAA, not well enough to go to games that can't afford to pay and families can't afford it or to take crowd kids to a local pub.
What size do you think that very specific demographic is?
Quote from: seafoid on May 14, 2024, 12:45:28 PMThe condensed season with all the extra matches in a shorter period of time is the real problem. It's hard to keep up with what is happening and not everything can be televised. GAA people have developed expectations about what will be available. And the football product isn't what it used to be either.
Agree with everything here. People's expectations need to be reined in. It is ridiculous to expect every single game to be free to air all of the time, but that seems to be the hill that some are dying on.
Quote from: ClubScene13 on May 14, 2024, 03:04:41 PMQuote from: clarshack on May 14, 2024, 02:52:39 PMQuote from: thewobbler on May 14, 2024, 01:18:01 PM"Besides not liking Sean what did he say that's incorrect?"
First of all I'm completely biased here and i know it. Cavanagh is quite probably the worst pundit in history. His lack of research is appalling, on a par with Spillane and Brolly, but he's just no loquacious enough to cover it up. He has an odd sense of humour. And his sense of place - I.e. talking about grassroots - always seems based on what he reads on Twitter rather than what's happening in an actual club.
So what did he say that's incorrect? From my perspective he's taking swipes and he doesn't have the foggiest what it is he's swiping at. He's just throwing out irrelevances. Joining in on conversation that he doesn't care much about, and accidentally taking it off on a new angle that nobody needs.
Worse than Tony Davis?
Paul "and your just thinking to yourself" Flynn would like a word.
My God, but Flynn is dull. I seem to just zone out any time he speaks
Cavanagh can be a bit of a tithead but I'd rather have him than Flynn
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 14, 2024, 05:43:41 PMQuote from: seafoid on May 14, 2024, 12:45:28 PMThe condensed season with all the extra matches in a shorter period of time is the real problem. It's hard to keep up with what is happening and not everything can be televised. GAA people have developed expectations about what will be available. And the football product isn't what it used to be either.
Agree with everything here. People's expectations need to be reined in. It is ridiculous to expect every single game to be free to air all of the time, but that seems to be the hill that some are dying on.
With technology these days I don't think it'd be that difficult to be honest. Or at least the vast majority
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 14, 2024, 05:38:51 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 14, 2024, 02:36:28 PMQuote from: Rossfan on May 14, 2024, 02:29:17 PMYou mean not providing free entertainment to casual armchair followers of gaelic games ?
No I mean there's elderly people, gave their life to GAA, not well enough to go to games that can't afford to pay and families can't afford it or to take crowd kids to a local pub.
What size do you think that very specific demographic is?
I don't known. Even a few is too many.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 14, 2024, 03:05:05 PMWorse than anyone.
I'd have to toss a coin between him and Cora.
Really not a fan of the "elderly person with no broadband" argument. This demographic got through 80% of their lives with knockout championships and minimal tv coverage. They're not losing out on something if they never really had it. And even if they did have it, their parents didn't, so why should they? It's a futile, nonsense attempt to tug on heartstrings, most commonly chorused by stay at home supporters who like to watch soccer and whatever is on YouTube at the same time.
I'll always say that GAA Go went about things arse faced. Had they done the Netflix / Now TV route and made the software easy to use and access first, then more secure later, it would now only be a year or two from being a staple purchase that just floats out of almost every bank account in Ireland every month.
But they've invested all their tech time to date in making it difficult to steal. Which means they're picking up customers only because they're forced into it, rather than because they're curious. Which is not the right way to start up, and is the fundamental driver of the current angst.
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 14, 2024, 05:43:41 PMQuote from: seafoid on May 14, 2024, 12:45:28 PMThe condensed season with all the extra matches in a shorter period of time is the real problem. It's hard to keep up with what is happening and not everything can be televised. GAA people have developed expectations about what will be available. And the football product isn't what it used to be either.
Agree with everything here. People's expectations need to be reined in. It is ridiculous to expect every single game to be free to air all of the time, but that seems to be the hill that some are dying on.
Personally I think there's too much football on TV. The quality of football is much better on the radio
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 14, 2024, 05:50:12 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on May 14, 2024, 03:05:05 PMWorse than anyone.
I'd have to toss a coin between him and Cora.
At least she comes across as a genuine sort though.
This is being overplayed just because a good match wasn't live on RTE. There were a goo few other ones - e.g. when Wexford beat Galway which was massive and was on GAA GO no one was saying much. There is a load on tv. My da falls into the older person bracket who doesn't get GAA GO (I could get him it but he would torture me on it) and my Ma says he does nothing but watch football or hurling all weekend and that's without GAA GO so just shows you. There is GAA flat out.
Quote from: Truthsayer on May 14, 2024, 05:49:04 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on May 14, 2024, 05:38:51 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 14, 2024, 02:36:28 PMQuote from: Rossfan on May 14, 2024, 02:29:17 PMYou mean not providing free entertainment to casual armchair followers of gaelic games ?
No I mean there's elderly people, gave their life to GAA, not well enough to go to games that can't afford to pay and families can't afford it or to take crowd kids to a local pub.
What size do you think that very specific demographic is?
I don't known. Even a few is too many.
Is it really though?
Quote from: thewobbler on May 14, 2024, 05:53:32 PMReally not a fan of the "elderly person with no broadband" argument. This demographic got through 80% of their lives with knockout championships and minimal tv coverage. They're not losing out on something if they never really had it. And even if they did have it, their parents didn't, so why should they? It's a futile, nonsense attempt to tug on heartstrings, most commonly chorused by stay at home supporters who like to watch soccer and whatever is on YouTube at the same time.
I'll always say that GAA Go went about things arse faced. Had they done the Netflix / Now TV route and made the software easy to use and access first, then more secure later, it would now only be a year or two from being a staple purchase that just floats out of almost every bank account in Ireland every month.
But they've invested all their tech time to date in making it difficult to steal. Which means they're picking up customers only because they're forced into it, rather than because they're curious. Which is not the right way to start up, and is the fundamental driver of the current angst.
Absolutely. Say they provided an easy to use setup and showed free games midweek that had been on the previous week, then people would use it and then perhaps pay the required fee to upgrade to see the games live. Say they had a game of the week free from Tuesday, that could be Cork v Limerick this week.
A bit of care with the app should ensure that pretty much anyone can use it and there is a suggestion that clubs might have a few techie volunteers to help club stalwarts.
Also the GAA should better integrate the different streaming options, so that if you get it working then it all works, so that you don't have different issues with ArmaghTV, UlsterGAATV and GAAGo. You need a technical platform that different providers can feed into. Then you have the ridiculous situation in the autumn that TG4 shows the club games, but are prohibited from showing these outside Ireland, but GAAGo don't bother their arse showing them outside Ireland although the video feed is already available.
Somebody needs to have good look at the whole thing.
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 14, 2024, 06:08:24 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 14, 2024, 05:49:04 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on May 14, 2024, 05:38:51 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 14, 2024, 02:36:28 PMQuote from: Rossfan on May 14, 2024, 02:29:17 PMYou mean not providing free entertainment to casual armchair followers of gaelic games ?
No I mean there's elderly people, gave their life to GAA, not well enough to go to games that can't afford to pay and families can't afford it or to take crowd kids to a local pub.
What size do you think that very specific demographic is?
I don't known. Even a few is too many.
Is it really though?
Not to you obviously
Quote from: Truthsayer on May 14, 2024, 06:45:55 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on May 14, 2024, 06:08:24 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 14, 2024, 05:49:04 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on May 14, 2024, 05:38:51 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 14, 2024, 02:36:28 PMQuote from: Rossfan on May 14, 2024, 02:29:17 PMYou mean not providing free entertainment to casual armchair followers of gaelic games ?
No I mean there's elderly people, gave their life to GAA, not well enough to go to games that can't afford to pay and families can't afford it or to take crowd kids to a local pub.
What size do you think that very specific demographic is?
I don't known. Even a few is too many.
Is it really though?
Not to you obviously
I don't believe there is a significant cohort who as you say:
1) Are elderly
2) Gave their life to the GAA
3) Are too sick to go to games
4) Cannot afford to go to a game
5) Family cannot afford to buy them a ticket
6) Family will not take them to the pub to see it.
This is the sentimental nonsense Jarlath Burns was talking about.
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 14, 2024, 08:50:44 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 14, 2024, 06:45:55 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on May 14, 2024, 06:08:24 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 14, 2024, 05:49:04 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on May 14, 2024, 05:38:51 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 14, 2024, 02:36:28 PMQuote from: Rossfan on May 14, 2024, 02:29:17 PMYou mean not providing free entertainment to casual armchair followers of gaelic games ?
No I mean there's elderly people, gave their life to GAA, not well enough to go to games that can't afford to pay and families can't afford it or to take crowd kids to a local pub.
What size do you think that very specific demographic is?
I don't known. Even a few is too many.
Is it really though?
Not to you obviously
I don't believe there is a significant cohort who as you say:
1) Are elderly
2) Gave their life to the GAA
3) Are too sick to go to games
4) Cannot afford to go to a game
5) Family cannot afford to buy them a ticket
6) Family will not take them to the pub to see it.
This is the sentimental nonsense Jarlath Burns was talking about.
The GAA isn't very good at dealing with constructive criticism. This goes back at least as far as the Sky deal. You will eat it and you will like it. Older people should be able to pay cash at turnstiles.
The issue of older people and technology is regularly aired in the media with reference to phone queues and customer service. Not everyone has a mobile phone or knows their way around apps.
The GAA is part of the national conversation. It is more than sport. People are living longer and not necessarily in good health as well . People in nursing homes might want to watch hurling instead of another Dublin procession Why can't the GAA have a rational system instead of fixing everything at the start and never deviating from it?
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 14, 2024, 08:50:44 PMI don't believe there is a significant cohort who as you say:
1) Are elderly
2) Gave their life to the GAA
3) Are too sick to go to games
4) Cannot afford to go to a game
5) Family cannot afford to buy them a ticket
6) Family will not take them to the pub to see it.
This is the sentimental nonsense Jarlath Burns was talking about.
This is rather callous, not everyone has family or is up to travelling several hours to games, walking to the ground and standing for 2 hours. They are not the only people, but there should be efforts made to facilitate as many people as possible.
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on May 14, 2024, 08:30:17 AMQuote from: seafoid on May 13, 2024, 10:12:13 PM"I haven't pulled out the recent accounts but I remember seeing a couple of years ago 40, 50, 60million of cash reserves and a balance sheet of €100million. I'm an accountant, I know this stuff.
"For an amateur organisation owned by the members, owned by the people that are lining pitches, by people in every club up and down the country, for me that looks like a very healthy position."
"I previously worked with a lot of soccer organisations, a lot of them go bust all the time and haven't got 2p to rub together. For me, the GAA is in a very healthy financial position, they're acquiring lots of strategic assets all over the country.
All of these comments are still not consistent with his initial statement in which he said, "the GAA is one of the richest organisations in the world."
Furthermore, Burns' comments - if I recall correctly - talked about a turnover in the region of 140 million Euro, and a context in which the GAA will be expected to contribute somewhere in the region of 500 million Euro in the coming years to a range of major GAA projects across the country.
I don't think Cavanagh's response does much to justify his initial comments, nor rebuff Burns' criticism.
He left out "amateur".
Any idea what the €500 million refers to? Every Euro invested will have to be funded by patrons via tickets , cf Supervalu PuC. Ireland has 3 economies- the North, the multinational south and the domestic economy of the South and only one of these economies is working . GAA fans come from the 2 dysfunctional economies.
There should be a option with buying tickets on the day for games which are not sell outs. GAA doing the banks job for them, trying to have a moneyless society [Unless u go to the chinese).Had got a few tickets for people who now can't go. In old times it would been pay at the gate and not lose money on tickets which can't be refunded.
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 14, 2024, 08:50:44 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 14, 2024, 06:45:55 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on May 14, 2024, 06:08:24 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 14, 2024, 05:49:04 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on May 14, 2024, 05:38:51 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 14, 2024, 02:36:28 PMQuote from: Rossfan on May 14, 2024, 02:29:17 PMYou mean not providing free entertainment to casual armchair followers of gaelic games ?
No I mean there's elderly people, gave their life to GAA, not well enough to go to games that can't afford to pay and families can't afford it or to take crowd kids to a local pub.
What size do you think that very specific demographic is?
I don't known. Even a few is too many.
Is it really though?
Not to you obviously
I don't believe there is a significant cohort who as you say:
1) Are elderly
2) Gave their life to the GAA
3) Are too sick to go to games
4) Cannot afford to go to a game
5) Family cannot afford to buy them a ticket
6) Family will not take them to the pub to see it.
This is the sentimental nonsense Jarlath Burns was talking about.
There you go... I'm alrite fuc u Jack... as for Jarlath Burns he's part of that corporate mindset likes to make grand speeches in the Hogan Stand and tell us what a great club man he is, but dismisses the disenfranchised grassroots when he's challenged..
Has anyone a link to this Hogan stand speech because it sounds amazing
Quote from: Truthsayer on May 14, 2024, 11:08:52 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on May 14, 2024, 08:50:44 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 14, 2024, 06:45:55 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on May 14, 2024, 06:08:24 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 14, 2024, 05:49:04 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on May 14, 2024, 05:38:51 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 14, 2024, 02:36:28 PMQuote from: Rossfan on May 14, 2024, 02:29:17 PMYou mean not providing free entertainment to casual armchair followers of gaelic games ?
No I mean there's elderly people, gave their life to GAA, not well enough to go to games that can't afford to pay and families can't afford it or to take crowd kids to a local pub.
What size do you think that very specific demographic is?
I don't known. Even a few is too many.
Is it really though?
Not to you obviously
I don't believe there is a significant cohort who as you say:
1) Are elderly
2) Gave their life to the GAA
3) Are too sick to go to games
4) Cannot afford to go to a game
5) Family cannot afford to buy them a ticket
6) Family will not take them to the pub to see it.
This is the sentimental nonsense Jarlath Burns was talking about.
There you go... I'm alrite fuc u Jack... as for Jarlath Burns he's part of that corporate mindset likes to make grand speeches in the Hogan Stand and tell us what a great club man he is, but dismisses the disenfranchised grassroots when he's challenged..
But the grassroots have never had it better! Every hole in the hedge has a state of the art hub now or is building one.
How do you expect the GAA to continue to fund these? Magic money tree?
I also think you are in the minority on this.
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 14, 2024, 11:44:45 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 14, 2024, 11:08:52 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on May 14, 2024, 08:50:44 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 14, 2024, 06:45:55 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on May 14, 2024, 06:08:24 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 14, 2024, 05:49:04 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on May 14, 2024, 05:38:51 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 14, 2024, 02:36:28 PMQuote from: Rossfan on May 14, 2024, 02:29:17 PMYou mean not providing free entertainment to casual armchair followers of gaelic games ?
No I mean there's elderly people, gave their life to GAA, not well enough to go to games that can't afford to pay and families can't afford it or to take crowd kids to a local pub.
What size do you think that very specific demographic is?
I don't known. Even a few is too many.
Is it really though?
Not to you obviously
I don't believe there is a significant cohort who as you say:
1) Are elderly
2) Gave their life to the GAA
3) Are too sick to go to games
4) Cannot afford to go to a game
5) Family cannot afford to buy them a ticket
6) Family will not take them to the pub to see it.
This is the sentimental nonsense Jarlath Burns was talking about.
There you go... I'm alrite fuc u Jack... as for Jarlath Burns he's part of that corporate mindset likes to make grand speeches in the Hogan Stand and tell us what a great club man he is, but dismisses the disenfranchised grassroots when he's challenged..
But the grassroots have never had it better! Every hole in the hedge has a state of the art hub now or is building one.
How do you expect the GAA to continue to fund these? Magic money tree?
I also think you are in the minority on this.
It is GAA elite's attempts to carve up our national games and privatise and sell off the profitable, prestige games. Our best and most high profile games should be available to all grass roots GAA members via our national broadcaster. Jarlath's efforts to play the man and not the ball in this debate betrays the weakness of his argument.
Quote from: Truthsayer on May 15, 2024, 12:01:14 AMIt is GAA elite's attempts to carve up our national games and privatise and sell off the profitable, prestige games. Our best and most high profile games should be available to all grass roots GAA members via our national broadcaster. Jarlath's efforts to play the man and not the ball in this debate betrays the weakness of his argument.
Only the high profile games, so half the counties would never appear? Is that the GAA you want?
Don't see much wrong with cavanagh's comments in that the gaa has huge cash reserves and is undoubtedly cherry picking attractive games to try and drive subscriptions to gaago.
I recall this being denied by rte/gaa last year, but seriously....
Interesting to hear burns now state that he wants gaago to be a major revenue generator for the association, it'd be great to know how the numbers are looking in that regard?
What was the revenue generated for 2023 like, was there a profit generated?
Only when we see the first few years of numbers will we know if this is a failed vanity project, which has caused tremendous harm to the goodwill of gaa and promotion of our games or a crucial revenue generating stream that's here to stay.
I know which scenario my money is on anyway!!
I do think there's a market for a gaa streaming service, but it should be for games that won't be shown on TV otherwise and it should include the various club championships which are currently on a myriad of different platforms.
Quote from: armaghniac on May 15, 2024, 12:11:57 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 15, 2024, 12:01:14 AMIt is GAA elite's attempts to carve up our national games and privatise and sell off the profitable, prestige games. Our best and most high profile games should be available to all grass roots GAA members via our national broadcaster. Jarlath's efforts to play the man and not the ball in this debate betrays the weakness of his argument.
Only the high profile games, so half the counties would never appear? Is that the GAA you want?
That is some interpretation on what I said! 😆 whatever games are covered should be free to air but they are selling off the profitable high prestige games. Its not that complicated!
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 14, 2024, 12:55:07 PMNo need to be tarnishing a mans business ffs!
If he's not great at being a pundit, that's grand, but lots of lads behind the computer putting a mans and his families business down is out of order
I didn't see the comments, but cavanagh's firm is doing very well by the looks of it with 4 or 5 offices now open and about 50 staff including many qualified professionals - so I doubt the comments on here would have too much impact on its future. Fair play to him.
Quote from: seafoid on May 14, 2024, 10:13:27 PMAny idea what the €500 million refers to?
Yes, he referred to two different groups / lists of commitments - one was in relation to new / improved centres of excellence (with both Armagh and Monaghan getting a mention) and the other to GAA Stadium infrastructure projects - this latter list included Kerry, Tipp, Louth, Meath, Kildare and Antrim.
The GAA must be the only organisation where fans want them to move with the times yet remain stuck in the past
Quote from: Truthsayer on May 15, 2024, 01:48:38 AMQuote from: armaghniac on May 15, 2024, 12:11:57 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 15, 2024, 12:01:14 AMIt is GAA elite's attempts to carve up our national games and privatise and sell off the profitable, prestige games. Our best and most high profile games should be available to all grass roots GAA members via our national broadcaster. Jarlath's efforts to play the man and not the ball in this debate betrays the weakness of his argument.
Only the high profile games, so half the counties would never appear? Is that the GAA you want?
That is some interpretation on what I said! 😆 whatever games are covered should be free to air but they are selling off the profitable high prestige games. Its not that complicated!
It was one game. When the knock out stages and the finals are going this way then you need to complain. Don't forget that, probably, one of the main reasons the hurling would have been on GAA GO would have been because RTE were showing the provincial finals. That is not the case. Sure GAA Go more or less stops at quarter final or before.
Was pointed out that they're obliged to have provincial finals on TV by law. Would many be crying if the Leinster finals in either code weren't live on RTE to enable them to show some more Munster hurling?
Quote from: gallsman on May 15, 2024, 08:35:00 AMWas pointed out that they're obliged to have provincial finals on TV by law. Would many be crying if the Leinster finals in either code weren't live on RTE to enable them to show some more Munster hurling?
Yes, the Leinster final was very good this year.
Then people have to accept that there is a limit to what RTE can or will show. They can't have wall to wall GAA over the course of a weekend, especially if legally obliged to have the two finals from Sunday on.
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 15, 2024, 07:51:43 AMThe GAA must be the only organisation where fans want them to move with the times yet remain stuck in the past
Perfectly put.
Its a bitta of a storm in a tea cup, I'm really liking Jarlath's approach on lots of things, and defending the GAA and so on is grand, its an amazing association, which has brought me (and continues to do) lots of enjoyment over the years. Certainly his speech at the hurling final was one to savour
But as my wife always said when bringing up the kids, pick your battles. I don't think he needs to get bogged down with, certainly with the media, quips and retorts, they are grand for the pub or with friends, Make a small statement and move on
My god there are some crying hoors in the GAA who want everything for free, I surely hope they are over represented on this board or the organisation is truely in trouble.
Crying about the price of tickets to games, and the price of diesel to get to games, and how much a feed costs, and having to get a ticket for the wains, and not getting to see every game on FTA tv, and the game they just saw was lateral shite, and the forward mark, and the studio analysis, and negative managers, and people coming to the door selling tickets for their club, and the amount of money the GAA has, and the lack of money the GAA gives our club, ad nauseum ad nauseum ad nauseum.
And then thinking they are great GAA men when they've not ever wore a shirt or even washed a shirt.
I would say the vast majority of posters on here are not even GAA members.
Ah no, I disagree. Harris shamelessly tried to use the GAA to score a quick and cheap political point. Burns absolutely right to make a tit of him the way he did. Same for Cavanagh. He's simply defending the Association from mud slinging, and doing a terrific job of it.
Quote from: gallsman on May 15, 2024, 09:10:41 AMThen people have to accept that there is a limit to what RTE can or will show. They can't have wall to wall GAA over the course of a weekend, especially if legally obliged to have the two finals from Sunday on.
There is a limit to how much can be shown. As a poster on boards.ie put it, if there was wall to wall GAA on RTÉ all weekend then he'd be happy but he would be in a minority in his own house.
But live coverage is desirable, it is a pity that TV3 have ended up doing nothing. The Cork-Limerick game would have got a good audience and so attracted advertisers. TV3 did reasonable job before Sky, but after the Sky deal ended there was a suggestion that the GAA were more interested in pushing GAAGo than TV3 having some games. The joint ownership of GAAGo by RTÉ does make you wonder about some of these things.
It's a shame for sure, but if other broadcasters valued the rights enough, they'd be trying to get a package. Sky didn't walk away for no reason.
Quote from: gallsman on May 15, 2024, 10:12:58 AMIt's a shame for sure, but if other broadcasters valued the rights enough, they'd be trying to get a package. Sky didn't walk away for no reason.
Sky's model is not the same as TV3 though, one is selling subscriptions to a subset of people and one is selling advertising for the general public. As for trying to get a package, part of the story here is the way the product is divided up. You can set things up to get the most coverage, the most revenue, or something in between. If I was the GAA then I would have a regular chat with TV3 or even UTV and see what they might be interested in. We all recall the magazine programme that the UTV did in the past, which was OK, but they couldn't get the rights to show clips on it, this never made sense.
There is a slight lack of transparency on this
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/virgin-media-throw-further-fuel-on-gaago-fire-with-hard-hitting-statement-aimed-at-gaa-and-rte/a483613199.html
Quote from: bennydorano on May 15, 2024, 09:40:09 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on May 15, 2024, 07:51:43 AMThe GAA must be the only organisation where fans want them to move with the times yet remain stuck in the past
Perfectly put.
The modern business phenomenon of trying to clean as much money off people as possible is one we could do without in the GAA.
Quote from: Truthsayer on May 15, 2024, 11:42:35 AMQuote from: bennydorano on May 15, 2024, 09:40:09 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on May 15, 2024, 07:51:43 AMThe GAA must be the only organisation where fans want them to move with the times yet remain stuck in the past
Perfectly put.
The modern business phenomenon of trying to clean as much money off people as possible is one we could do without in the GAA.
Considering there's far more options now to spend less (a few quid on GAAGo to stream a game if its not on terrestrial TV) and stay at home rather than the much heftier expense of travelling to the games , how exactly are the GAA trying to clean as much money as possible when they're showing far more games now than in the past?
If you buy a qualifier batch ticket you're getting 3 games for the price of 2.
Also, take into considerarion 83% of this money goes back out the door. The more that comes in, the more goes out
Quote from: Truthsayer on May 15, 2024, 11:42:35 AMQuote from: bennydorano on May 15, 2024, 09:40:09 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on May 15, 2024, 07:51:43 AMThe GAA must be the only organisation where fans want them to move with the times yet remain stuck in the past
Perfectly put.
The modern business phenomenon of trying to clean as much money off people as possible is one we could do without in the GAA.
Out of interest, where is it you believe all this money goes? Is it all packaged up in brown envelopes in headquarters? Or is Jarlath the mercenary pocketing it?
Surely if that was the way of it they would have been better of keeping the cash at turnstiles set up, or maybe that's where Supervalu & Centra come in (it may shock you that you can still take cash out from under the mattress and head in to your local store to purchase a ticket for the game)?
Quote from: bennydorano on May 15, 2024, 09:40:09 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on May 15, 2024, 07:51:43 AMThe GAA must be the only organisation where fans want them to move with the times yet remain stuck in the past
Perfectly put.
I'm not sure where you're about but absolutely everything is going behind paywalls now, especially sport, that's the modern way.
Burns did point out that to make GAAGO viable that it needed to show some high profile games, he'd didn't shirk on that and Cork fans were probably unlucky in that their first three games were all on GAAGO and that does need addressed by the GAA.
Quote from: Truthsayer on May 15, 2024, 11:42:35 AMQuote from: bennydorano on May 15, 2024, 09:40:09 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on May 15, 2024, 07:51:43 AMThe GAA must be the only organisation where fans want them to move with the times yet remain stuck in the past
Perfectly put.
The modern business phenomenon of trying to clean as much money off people as possible is one we could do without in the GAA.
if this was actually the case we wouldnt have season tickets or packages for the all ireland group stages would we
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 15, 2024, 01:00:34 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 15, 2024, 11:42:35 AMQuote from: bennydorano on May 15, 2024, 09:40:09 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on May 15, 2024, 07:51:43 AMThe GAA must be the only organisation where fans want them to move with the times yet remain stuck in the past
Perfectly put.
The modern business phenomenon of trying to clean as much money off people as possible is one we could do without in the GAA.
if this was actually the case we wouldnt have season tickets or packages for the all ireland group stages would we
Or to entice people in... do u think 2nd and 3rd place play-offs are necessary for next round of football rather than top 2 go into quarter-final? Poorly thought out cynical way to make money while Ulster final reduced to penalties because we haven't time for a replay...
I don't know what the motivation was but there certainly is some logic in the 3 teams going through other than money. It greatly reduces the number of dead rubbers and increases the importance of topping the group.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on May 15, 2024, 02:10:53 PMI don't know what the motivation was but there certainly is some logic in the 3 teams going through other than money. It greatly reduces the number of dead rubbers and increases the importance of topping the group.
It also evens up provincial issues.
Quote from: armaghniac on May 15, 2024, 02:16:21 PMQuote from: Tyrone Dreamer on May 15, 2024, 02:10:53 PMI don't know what the motivation was but there certainly is some logic in the 3 teams going through other than money. It greatly reduces the number of dead rubbers and increases the importance of topping the group.
It also evens up provincial issues.
I suppose how we view things: I view it as extra games more £££ for GAA: extra games I'd like to see is replays rather than penalty shoot-outs, certainly for a Provincial final and from AI quarter-finals on..
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on May 15, 2024, 02:10:53 PMI don't know what the motivation was but there certainly is some logic in the 3 teams going through other than money. It greatly reduces the number of dead rubbers and increases the importance of topping the group.
you have got it all wrong. Its all money. Grab all association and what have you..........
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 15, 2024, 03:31:42 PMQuote from: Tyrone Dreamer on May 15, 2024, 02:10:53 PMI don't know what the motivation was but there certainly is some logic in the 3 teams going through other than money. It greatly reduces the number of dead rubbers and increases the importance of topping the group.
you have got it all wrong. Its all money. Grab all association and what have you..........
I wouldn't go that far but is people in Croke Park whose remit is to maximise profits and at times they need to be reined in.
Quote from: Truthsayer on May 15, 2024, 03:54:26 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on May 15, 2024, 03:31:42 PMQuote from: Tyrone Dreamer on May 15, 2024, 02:10:53 PMI don't know what the motivation was but there certainly is some logic in the 3 teams going through other than money. It greatly reduces the number of dead rubbers and increases the importance of topping the group.
you have got it all wrong. Its all money. Grab all association and what have you..........
I wouldn't go that far but is people in Croke Park whose remit is to maximise profits and at times they need to be reined in.
To what end? Who is benefiting from these profits?
Quote from: JoG2 on May 15, 2024, 04:33:34 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 15, 2024, 03:54:26 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on May 15, 2024, 03:31:42 PMQuote from: Tyrone Dreamer on May 15, 2024, 02:10:53 PMI don't know what the motivation was but there certainly is some logic in the 3 teams going through other than money. It greatly reduces the number of dead rubbers and increases the importance of topping the group.
you have got it all wrong. Its all money. Grab all association and what have you..........
I wouldn't go that far but is people in Croke Park whose remit is to maximise profits and at times they need to be reined in.
To what end? Who is benefiting from these profits?
Whoever is benefiting does not give a licence to do whatever you want, no matter how unscrupulous or adversely affecting our games, in order to make profits.
Another piece of the jigsaw, TG4 too poor to bid for a package.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/tg4-wanted-to-bid-on-championship-matches-for-free-to-air-channel-before-gaago-snapped-up-rights/a885108157.html
but TG4 might have been willing to cover less popular games, e.g. Tailteann cup, Wexford v Antrim in hurling, but the design of the "packages" presumably made this impossible.
It is a bit like a building project, you can set it up so the small builder cannot tender or you can have some smaller elements that they can reasonably bid for.
Quote from: Truthsayer on May 15, 2024, 06:13:05 PMQuote from: JoG2 on May 15, 2024, 04:33:34 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 15, 2024, 03:54:26 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on May 15, 2024, 03:31:42 PMQuote from: Tyrone Dreamer on May 15, 2024, 02:10:53 PMI don't know what the motivation was but there certainly is some logic in the 3 teams going through other than money. It greatly reduces the number of dead rubbers and increases the importance of topping the group.
you have got it all wrong. Its all money. Grab all association and what have you..........
I wouldn't go that far but is people in Croke Park whose remit is to maximise profits and at times they need to be reined in.
To what end? Who is benefiting from these profits?
Whoever is benefiting does not give a licence to do whatever you want, no matter how unscrupulous or adversely affecting our games, in order to make profits.
How is it unscrupulous and how is it affecting our games?
We've more games than historically on terrestrial and another batch on GAAGo. You can literally fill your boots with gaelic games at the weekends. Is this not what we want?? Double headers coming out our ears atm. TG4 show a load of games outside of the championship.
You can chose to buy a GAAGo season pass, individual games or none.
The season is now split so 95% of clubs and club players can have their county players back earlier, remember, it's not all about county
Is it true that all money GAA brings in, 83% goes back out again to clubs etc.
Is that the start?
I'm not w
Quote from: Truthsayer on May 15, 2024, 03:54:26 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on May 15, 2024, 03:31:42 PMQuote from: Tyrone Dreamer on May 15, 2024, 02:10:53 PMI don't know what the motivation was but there certainly is some logic in the 3 teams going through other than money. It greatly reduces the number of dead rubbers and increases the importance of topping the group.
you have got it all wrong. Its all money. Grab all association and what have you..........
I wouldn't go that far but is people in Croke Park whose remit is to maximise profits and at times they need to be reined in.
I'm not even sure they are maximising profits. A replay of an ulster final or
All Ireland semi final would likely surpass the revenue earned in the preliminary quarter finals.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on May 15, 2024, 08:50:33 PMI'm not wQuote from: Truthsayer on May 15, 2024, 03:54:26 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on May 15, 2024, 03:31:42 PMQuote from: Tyrone Dreamer on May 15, 2024, 02:10:53 PMI don't know what the motivation was but there certainly is some logic in the 3 teams going through other than money. It greatly reduces the number of dead rubbers and increases the importance of topping the group.
you have got it all wrong. Its all money. Grab all association and what have you..........
I wouldn't go that far but is people in Croke Park whose remit is to maximise profits and at times they need to be reined in.
I'm not even sure they are maximising profits. A replay of an ulster final or
All Ireland semi final would likely surpass the revenue earned in the preliminary quarter finals.
6 games per group x 4 groups =24
+4 pqf
+ 4 qf
=32 matches
Even with 20k per match that is the attendance equivalent of over 7 all Ireland finals
Quote from: seafoid on May 15, 2024, 09:30:46 PMQuote from: Tyrone Dreamer on May 15, 2024, 08:50:33 PMI'm not wQuote from: Truthsayer on May 15, 2024, 03:54:26 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on May 15, 2024, 03:31:42 PMQuote from: Tyrone Dreamer on May 15, 2024, 02:10:53 PMI don't know what the motivation was but there certainly is some logic in the 3 teams going through other than money. It greatly reduces the number of dead rubbers and increases the importance of topping the group.
you have got it all wrong. Its all money. Grab all association and what have you..........
I wouldn't go that far but is people in Croke Park whose remit is to maximise profits and at times they need to be reined in.
I'm not even sure they are maximising profits. A replay of an ulster final or
All Ireland semi final would likely surpass the revenue earned in the preliminary quarter finals.
6 games per group x 4 groups =24
+4 pqf
+ 4 qf
=32 matches
Even with 20k per match that is the attendance equivalent of over 7 all Ireland finals
We're talking bout get rid of 4 x pqf and top two in each group into qf. Also price of AI final ticket is maybe 6 times more...
The €50 ticket for the 3 group games seems a reasonable deal to me. 3 games for one third of the price of Bruce Springsteen.
Quote from: Truthsayer on May 14, 2024, 01:58:42 PMWatch this space with Jarlath. Grand speeches in the Hogan Stand all very well but as far as I can see hes another driven by corporate mentality of GAA hierarchy. Never trusted him since he suggested the Irish anthem and flag could be removed to placate unionism, then backtracked when he seen the reaction.
Burns has seized on one sentence of what Sean said in order to deflect from selling off our games thereby leaving many GAA lifelong grassroots members behind.
THIS
Quote from: ONeill on May 15, 2024, 11:31:31 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 14, 2024, 01:58:42 PMWatch this space with Jarlath. Grand speeches in the Hogan Stand all very well but as far as I can see hes another driven by corporate mentality of GAA hierarchy. Never trusted him since he suggested the Irish anthem and flag could be removed to placate unionism, then backtracked when he seen the reaction.
Burns has seized on one sentence of what Sean said in order to deflect from selling off our games thereby leaving many GAA lifelong grassroots members behind.
THIS
Is it not true?...
https://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=26302.0
Fleggers. FFS.
Quote from: Keyser soze on May 15, 2024, 09:53:35 AMMy god there are some crying hoors in the GAA who want everything for free, I surely hope they are over represented on this board or the organisation is truely in trouble.
Crying about the price of tickets to games, and the price of diesel to get to games, and how much a feed costs, and having to get a ticket for the wains, and not getting to see every game on FTA tv, and the game they just saw was lateral shite, and the forward mark, and the studio analysis, and negative managers, and people coming to the door selling tickets for their club, and the amount of money the GAA has, and the lack of money the GAA gives our club, ad nauseum ad nauseum ad nauseum.
And then thinking they are great GAA men when they've not ever wore a shirt or even washed a shirt.
I would say the vast majority of posters on here are not even GAA members.
Keyser, in my experience a good auld moan and gripe is the common language of humanity. I've spent plenty of time abroad and worked with many nationalities and the average gaa fan or poster on this board is no different to the majority everywhere else (well west coast USA with their unwavering positivity might be the exception).
And as for your comment on posters probably not being members, I suspect the vast majority of us are pretty involved with gaa at some level. We are the diehards or we wouldn't be on here in the first place. Not that many people find discussions on the kickout strategies of Armagh all that interesting you know....
Quote from: armaghniac on May 15, 2024, 10:45:00 AMQuote from: gallsman on May 15, 2024, 10:12:58 AMIt's a shame for sure, but if other broadcasters valued the rights enough, they'd be trying to get a package. Sky didn't walk away for no reason.
Sky's model is not the same as TV3 though, one is selling subscriptions to a subset of people and one is selling advertising for the general public. As for trying to get a package, part of the story here is the way the product is divided up. You can set things up to get the most coverage, the most revenue, or something in between. If I was the GAA then I would have a regular chat with TV3 or even UTV and see what they might be interested in. We all recall the magazine programme that the UTV did in the past, which was OK, but they couldn't get the rights to show clips on it, this never made sense.
There is a slight lack of transparency on this
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/virgin-media-throw-further-fuel-on-gaago-fire-with-hard-hitting-statement-aimed-at-gaa-and-rte/a483613199.html
That's it, two very different business models, one with minimal risk to the gaa, they sell the package and get the money and it's up to the broadcaster to make it work. This option be it with sky or tv3 had the added bonus of being available to a much larger audience and therefore being much more impactful in terms of promotion.
The option chosen on the other hand has transferred the risk to the gaa. It appears that this was their preferred option, despite the impact this was always like to have on potential viewership. Presumably a strong business case was made, let's hope the rte guys who drew up the business plan for toy show the musical weren't behind this plan too!
In time the numbers will be revealed and a decision to continue or not will be made. They were certainly very reticent to release anything to the joc last year, has there been any releases on viewership or subscriptions since??
Even if a profit over and above what would have been made by simply selling the package has been made, they will have to decide if the decline in audience and games promotion is worth this additional revenue.
I'm surprised that so many on here appear to be backing jarlath on this one - let's hope none of you are accessing this service illegally ;)
Quote from: onefineday on May 16, 2024, 01:58:01 AMQuote from: Keyser soze on May 15, 2024, 09:53:35 AMMy god there are some crying hoors in the GAA who want everything for free, I surely hope they are over represented on this board or the organisation is truely in trouble.
Crying about the price of tickets to games, and the price of diesel to get to games, and how much a feed costs, and having to get a ticket for the wains, and not getting to see every game on FTA tv, and the game they just saw was lateral shite, and the forward mark, and the studio analysis, and negative managers, and people coming to the door selling tickets for their club, and the amount of money the GAA has, and the lack of money the GAA gives our club, ad nauseum ad nauseum ad nauseum.
And then thinking they are great GAA men when they've not ever wore a shirt or even washed a shirt.
I would say the vast majority of posters on here are not even GAA members.
Keyser, in my experience a good auld moan and gripe is the common language of humanity. I've spent plenty of time abroad and worked with many nationalities and the average gaa fan or poster on this board is no different to the majority everywhere else (well west coast USA with their unwavering positivity might be the exception).
And as for your comment on posters probably not being members, I suspect the vast majority of us are pretty involved with gaa at some level. We are the diehards or we wouldn't be on here in the first place. Not that many people find discussions on the kickout strategies of Armagh all that interesting you know....
There certainly are diehards on here but a majority, definitely not.
There was a thread on ticket selling on here recently.
Not only was there just one poster, of the many who contributed to the thread, who had actually gone out to sell tickets, but there were quite a few who were complaining about being asked to buy a ticket by clubs coming to their door, and there were even a few calling for it to be banned.
Like what sort of GAA person would begrudge being ASKED to voluntarily contribute a few quid to the GAA, by a person who is giving up their time to travel around the country to raise funds for their local club. The people selling the tickets are diehards, people whinging about it on Gaaboard are blowhards.
So no I don't agree that a majority are GAA diehards, their diehardness extends to going to county matches and complaining their hole off on GAA board about stuff they probably know very little about.
And yes that would indeed include Armagh kickout strategies
Quote from: Keyser soze on May 16, 2024, 10:09:37 AMQuote from: onefineday on May 16, 2024, 01:58:01 AMQuote from: Keyser soze on May 15, 2024, 09:53:35 AMMy god there are some crying hoors in the GAA who want everything for free, I surely hope they are over represented on this board or the organisation is truely in trouble.
Crying about the price of tickets to games, and the price of diesel to get to games, and how much a feed costs, and having to get a ticket for the wains, and not getting to see every game on FTA tv, and the game they just saw was lateral shite, and the forward mark, and the studio analysis, and negative managers, and people coming to the door selling tickets for their club, and the amount of money the GAA has, and the lack of money the GAA gives our club, ad nauseum ad nauseum ad nauseum.
And then thinking they are great GAA men when they've not ever wore a shirt or even washed a shirt.
I would say the vast majority of posters on here are not even GAA members.
Keyser, in my experience a good auld moan and gripe is the common language of humanity. I've spent plenty of time abroad and worked with many nationalities and the average gaa fan or poster on this board is no different to the majority everywhere else (well west coast USA with their unwavering positivity might be the exception).
And as for your comment on posters probably not being members, I suspect the vast majority of us are pretty involved with gaa at some level. We are the diehards or we wouldn't be on here in the first place. Not that many people find discussions on the kickout strategies of Armagh all that interesting you know....
There certainly are diehards on here but a majority, definitely not.
There was a thread on ticket selling on here recently.
Not only was there just one poster, of the many who contributed to the thread, who had actually gone out to sell tickets, but there were quite a few who were complaining about being asked to buy a ticket by clubs coming to their door, and there were even a few calling for it to be banned.
Like what sort of GAA person would begrudge being ASKED to voluntarily contribute a few quid to the GAA, by a person who is giving up their time to travel around the country to raise funds for their local club. The people selling the tickets are diehards, people whinging about it on Gaaboard are blowhards.
So no I don't agree that a majority are GAA diehards, their diehardness extends to going to county matches and complaining their hole off on GAA board about stuff they probably know very little about.
And yes that would indeed include Armagh kickout strategies
I did the door ticket thing a number of years ago, don't know that makes me a better club member than others who make different contributions, coaching kids, the army of ladies do the teas and all that at matches, those on the gate, people who land up for ground clean-ups... anyone lands here trying to sell a £20 ticket which isn't that often, I ask do yous pay your manager and buy or not accordingly...
in contrast to being the grab all association the GAA constantly hobble themselves.
they banned alcohol and bookies sponsorship and advertising as at time when every soccer jersey had some on-line or Beer Brand bookie on them.
the banning of replay potentially cost millions every year and lead to ridiculous penalty shoot outs.
they hold the championship at a stupid time of the year to facilitate club
BTW does the club players association still exist?
Quote from: rosnarun on May 16, 2024, 10:57:43 AMin contrast to being the grab all association the GAA constantly hobble themselves.
they banned alcohol and bookies sponsorship and advertising as at time when every soccer jersey had some on-line or Beer Brand bookie on them.
the banning of replay potentially cost millions every year and lead to ridiculous penalty shoot outs.
they hold the championship at a stupid time of the year to facilitate club
BTW does the club players association still exist?
Disbanded after the split season came into play
Quote from: Truthsayer on May 16, 2024, 10:39:46 AMQuote from: Keyser soze on May 16, 2024, 10:09:37 AMQuote from: onefineday on May 16, 2024, 01:58:01 AMQuote from: Keyser soze on May 15, 2024, 09:53:35 AMMy god there are some crying hoors in the GAA who want everything for free, I surely hope they are over represented on this board or the organisation is truely in trouble.
Crying about the price of tickets to games, and the price of diesel to get to games, and how much a feed costs, and having to get a ticket for the wains, and not getting to see every game on FTA tv, and the game they just saw was lateral shite, and the forward mark, and the studio analysis, and negative managers, and people coming to the door selling tickets for their club, and the amount of money the GAA has, and the lack of money the GAA gives our club, ad nauseum ad nauseum ad nauseum.
And then thinking they are great GAA men when they've not ever wore a shirt or even washed a shirt.
I would say the vast majority of posters on here are not even GAA members.
Keyser, in my experience a good auld moan and gripe is the common language of humanity. I've spent plenty of time abroad and worked with many nationalities and the average gaa fan or poster on this board is no different to the majority everywhere else (well west coast USA with their unwavering positivity might be the exception).
And as for your comment on posters probably not being members, I suspect the vast majority of us are pretty involved with gaa at some level. We are the diehards or we wouldn't be on here in the first place. Not that many people find discussions on the kickout strategies of Armagh all that interesting you know....
There certainly are diehards on here but a majority, definitely not.
There was a thread on ticket selling on here recently.
Not only was there just one poster, of the many who contributed to the thread, who had actually gone out to sell tickets, but there were quite a few who were complaining about being asked to buy a ticket by clubs coming to their door, and there were even a few calling for it to be banned.
Like what sort of GAA person would begrudge being ASKED to voluntarily contribute a few quid to the GAA, by a person who is giving up their time to travel around the country to raise funds for their local club. The people selling the tickets are diehards, people whinging about it on Gaaboard are blowhards.
So no I don't agree that a majority are GAA diehards, their diehardness extends to going to county matches and complaining their hole off on GAA board about stuff they probably know very little about.
And yes that would indeed include Armagh kickout strategies
I did the door ticket thing a number of years ago, don't know that makes me a better club member than others who make different contributions, coaching kids, the army of ladies do the teas and all that at matches, those on the gate, people who land up for ground clean-ups... anyone lands here trying to sell a £20 ticket which isn't that often, I ask do yous pay your manager and buy or not accordingly...
I've asked on here before, does anyone know any club that pay an outside manager through club funds? I'm not aware of any.
Truthsayer, does your club pay an outside manager? Does the money come from club funds or a benefactor / sponsor?
To follow the money in all this isn't to go back to the GAA's door in my book. The RTÉ owning 50% is where I have a bigger issue. It's essentially being propped up by taxpayers money now.
Does some go toward running GAAGo? Last year the GAA said they don't go for big games, but this year they admit it. But, is there an editorial for all this. Who in RTÉ is at that? If you run 50% of the company surely you have input into the day to day too...
Quote from: JoG2 on May 16, 2024, 11:12:27 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 16, 2024, 10:39:46 AMQuote from: Keyser soze on May 16, 2024, 10:09:37 AMQuote from: onefineday on May 16, 2024, 01:58:01 AMQuote from: Keyser soze on May 15, 2024, 09:53:35 AMMy god there are some crying hoors in the GAA who want everything for free, I surely hope they are over represented on this board or the organisation is truely in trouble.
Crying about the price of tickets to games, and the price of diesel to get to games, and how much a feed costs, and having to get a ticket for the wains, and not getting to see every game on FTA tv, and the game they just saw was lateral shite, and the forward mark, and the studio analysis, and negative managers, and people coming to the door selling tickets for their club, and the amount of money the GAA has, and the lack of money the GAA gives our club, ad nauseum ad nauseum ad nauseum.
And then thinking they are great GAA men when they've not ever wore a shirt or even washed a shirt.
I would say the vast majority of posters on here are not even GAA members.
Keyser, in my experience a good auld moan and gripe is the common language of humanity. I've spent plenty of time abroad and worked with many nationalities and the average gaa fan or poster on this board is no different to the majority everywhere else (well west coast USA with their unwavering positivity might be the exception).
And as for your comment on posters probably not being members, I suspect the vast majority of us are pretty involved with gaa at some level. We are the diehards or we wouldn't be on here in the first place. Not that many people find discussions on the kickout strategies of Armagh all that interesting you know....
There certainly are diehards on here but a majority, definitely not.
There was a thread on ticket selling on here recently.
Not only was there just one poster, of the many who contributed to the thread, who had actually gone out to sell tickets, but there were quite a few who were complaining about being asked to buy a ticket by clubs coming to their door, and there were even a few calling for it to be banned.
Like what sort of GAA person would begrudge being ASKED to voluntarily contribute a few quid to the GAA, by a person who is giving up their time to travel around the country to raise funds for their local club. The people selling the tickets are diehards, people whinging about it on Gaaboard are blowhards.
So no I don't agree that a majority are GAA diehards, their diehardness extends to going to county matches and complaining their hole off on GAA board about stuff they probably know very little about.
And yes that would indeed include Armagh kickout strategies
I did the door ticket thing a number of years ago, don't know that makes me a better club member than others who make different contributions, coaching kids, the army of ladies do the teas and all that at matches, those on the gate, people who land up for ground clean-ups... anyone lands here trying to sell a £20 ticket which isn't that often, I ask do yous pay your manager and buy or not accordingly...
I've asked on here before, does anyone know any club that pay an outside manager through club funds? I'm not aware of any.
Truthsayer, does your club pay an outside manager? Does the money come from club funds or a benefactor / sponsor?
I know of clubs paying through club funds, sometimes allocating specific fundraisers. I rem a club the senior players did the fundraising as they drove the paid manager idea while another the senior players gave a direct debit!
Aye there's benefactors, I think are misguided... and I don't mean expenses diesel etc..
Quote from: Keyser soze on May 15, 2024, 09:53:35 AMMy god there are some crying hoors in the GAA who want everything for free, I surely hope they are over represented on this board or the organisation is truely in trouble.
Crying about the price of tickets to games, and the price of diesel to get to games, and how much a feed costs, and having to get a ticket for the wains, and not getting to see every game on FTA tv, and the game they just saw was lateral shite, and the forward mark, and the studio analysis, and negative managers, and people coming to the door selling tickets for their club, and the amount of money the GAA has, and the lack of money the GAA gives our club, ad nauseum ad nauseum ad nauseum.
And then thinking they are great GAA men when they've not ever wore a shirt or even washed a shirt.
I would say the vast majority of posters on here are not even GAA members.
You forgot the referee being biased against their team! Every single game! ;D
Unless you're specifically telling people that you're raising funds to pay a manager, they're ALL club funds.
Benefactors/boosters directing money to pay for managers should be banned.
Quote from: J70 on May 16, 2024, 12:27:47 PMQuote from: Keyser soze on May 15, 2024, 09:53:35 AMMy god there are some crying hoors in the GAA who want everything for free, I surely hope they are over represented on this board or the organisation is truely in trouble.
Crying about the price of tickets to games, and the price of diesel to get to games, and how much a feed costs, and having to get a ticket for the wains, and not getting to see every game on FTA tv, and the game they just saw was lateral shite, and the forward mark, and the studio analysis, and negative managers, and people coming to the door selling tickets for their club, and the amount of money the GAA has, and the lack of money the GAA gives our club, ad nauseum ad nauseum ad nauseum.
And then thinking they are great GAA men when they've not ever wore a shirt or even washed a shirt.
I would say the vast majority of posters on here are not even GAA members.
You forgot the referee being biased against their team! Every single game! ;D
That's a perfectly legitimate sporting gripe lol
Quote from: Keyser soze on May 16, 2024, 10:09:37 AMQuote from: onefineday on May 16, 2024, 01:58:01 AMQuote from: Keyser soze on May 15, 2024, 09:53:35 AMMy god there are some crying hoors in the GAA who want everything for free, I surely hope they are over represented on this board or the organisation is truely in trouble.
Crying about the price of tickets to games, and the price of diesel to get to games, and how much a feed costs, and having to get a ticket for the wains, and not getting to see every game on FTA tv, and the game they just saw was lateral shite, and the forward mark, and the studio analysis, and negative managers, and people coming to the door selling tickets for their club, and the amount of money the GAA has, and the lack of money the GAA gives our club, ad nauseum ad nauseum ad nauseum.
And then thinking they are great GAA men when they've not ever wore a shirt or even washed a shirt.
I would say the vast majority of posters on here are not even GAA members.
Keyser, in my experience a good auld moan and gripe is the common language of humanity. I've spent plenty of time abroad and worked with many nationalities and the average gaa fan or poster on this board is no different to the majority everywhere else (well west coast USA with their unwavering positivity might be the exception).
And as for your comment on posters probably not being members, I suspect the vast majority of us are pretty involved with gaa at some level. We are the diehards or we wouldn't be on here in the first place. Not that many people find discussions on the kickout strategies of Armagh all that interesting you know....
There certainly are diehards on here but a majority, definitely not.
There was a thread on ticket selling on here recently.
Not only was there just one poster, of the many who contributed to the thread, who had actually gone out to sell tickets, but there were quite a few who were complaining about being asked to buy a ticket by clubs coming to their door, and there were even a few calling for it to be banned.
Like what sort of GAA person would begrudge being ASKED to voluntarily contribute a few quid to the GAA, by a person who is giving up their time to travel around the country to raise funds for their local club. The people selling the tickets are diehards, people whinging about it on Gaaboard are blowhards.
So no I don't agree that a majority are GAA diehards, their diehardness extends to going to county matches and complaining their hole off on GAA board about stuff they probably know very little about.
And yes that would indeed include Armagh kickout strategies
You seem to have a very narrow agenda.
I've:
- played football for 35 years.
- coached and selected at teams from under-8 to senior, including the past 8 years unbroken.
- spent over 15 years on our club committee, including 5 as treasurer.
- served as our county board rep for a couple of years and on a county board subcommittee for a year.
- acted as a team liaison for our county minors for two years.
And my sincere opinion is that if a club from say County Derry cannot find the funds within their own parish, community, town, county to build whatever it they think they need, then they've no business asking people from say County Down to put their hands in their pockets and pay for it.
Am I not GAA enough to be entitled to this opinion?
Quote from: thewobbler on May 16, 2024, 02:42:23 PMQuote from: Keyser soze on May 16, 2024, 10:09:37 AMQuote from: onefineday on May 16, 2024, 01:58:01 AMQuote from: Keyser soze on May 15, 2024, 09:53:35 AMMy god there are some crying hoors in the GAA who want everything for free, I surely hope they are over represented on this board or the organisation is truely in trouble.
Crying about the price of tickets to games, and the price of diesel to get to games, and how much a feed costs, and having to get a ticket for the wains, and not getting to see every game on FTA tv, and the game they just saw was lateral shite, and the forward mark, and the studio analysis, and negative managers, and people coming to the door selling tickets for their club, and the amount of money the GAA has, and the lack of money the GAA gives our club, ad nauseum ad nauseum ad nauseum.
And then thinking they are great GAA men when they've not ever wore a shirt or even washed a shirt.
I would say the vast majority of posters on here are not even GAA members.
Keyser, in my experience a good auld moan and gripe is the common language of humanity. I've spent plenty of time abroad and worked with many nationalities and the average gaa fan or poster on this board is no different to the majority everywhere else (well west coast USA with their unwavering positivity might be the exception).
And as for your comment on posters probably not being members, I suspect the vast majority of us are pretty involved with gaa at some level. We are the diehards or we wouldn't be on here in the first place. Not that many people find discussions on the kickout strategies of Armagh all that interesting you know....
There certainly are diehards on here but a majority, definitely not.
There was a thread on ticket selling on here recently.
Not only was there just one poster, of the many who contributed to the thread, who had actually gone out to sell tickets, but there were quite a few who were complaining about being asked to buy a ticket by clubs coming to their door, and there were even a few calling for it to be banned.
Like what sort of GAA person would begrudge being ASKED to voluntarily contribute a few quid to the GAA, by a person who is giving up their time to travel around the country to raise funds for their local club. The people selling the tickets are diehards, people whinging about it on Gaaboard are blowhards.
So no I don't agree that a majority are GAA diehards, their diehardness extends to going to county matches and complaining their hole off on GAA board about stuff they probably know very little about.
And yes that would indeed include Armagh kickout strategies
You seem to have a very narrow agenda.
I've:
- played football for 35 years.
- coached and selected at teams from under-8 to senior, including the past 8 years unbroken.
- spent over 15 years on our club committee, including 5 as treasurer.
- served as our county board rep for a couple of years and on a county board subcommittee for a year.
- acted as a team liaison for our county minors for two years.
And my sincere opinion is that if a club from say County Derry cannot find the funds within their own parish, community, town, county to build whatever it they think they need, then they've no business asking people from say County Down to put their hands in their pockets and pay for it.
Am I not GAA enough to be entitled to this opinion?
You could be getting perilously close to blowhard status there.
Quote from: thewobbler on May 16, 2024, 02:42:23 PMQuote from: Keyser soze on May 16, 2024, 10:09:37 AMQuote from: onefineday on May 16, 2024, 01:58:01 AMQuote from: Keyser soze on May 15, 2024, 09:53:35 AMMy god there are some crying hoors in the GAA who want everything for free, I surely hope they are over represented on this board or the organisation is truely in trouble.
Crying about the price of tickets to games, and the price of diesel to get to games, and how much a feed costs, and having to get a ticket for the wains, and not getting to see every game on FTA tv, and the game they just saw was lateral shite, and the forward mark, and the studio analysis, and negative managers, and people coming to the door selling tickets for their club, and the amount of money the GAA has, and the lack of money the GAA gives our club, ad nauseum ad nauseum ad nauseum.
And then thinking they are great GAA men when they've not ever wore a shirt or even washed a shirt.
I would say the vast majority of posters on here are not even GAA members.
Keyser, in my experience a good auld moan and gripe is the common language of humanity. I've spent plenty of time abroad and worked with many nationalities and the average gaa fan or poster on this board is no different to the majority everywhere else (well west coast USA with their unwavering positivity might be the exception).
And as for your comment on posters probably not being members, I suspect the vast majority of us are pretty involved with gaa at some level. We are the diehards or we wouldn't be on here in the first place. Not that many people find discussions on the kickout strategies of Armagh all that interesting you know....
There certainly are diehards on here but a majority, definitely not.
There was a thread on ticket selling on here recently.
Not only was there just one poster, of the many who contributed to the thread, who had actually gone out to sell tickets, but there were quite a few who were complaining about being asked to buy a ticket by clubs coming to their door, and there were even a few calling for it to be banned.
Like what sort of GAA person would begrudge being ASKED to voluntarily contribute a few quid to the GAA, by a person who is giving up their time to travel around the country to raise funds for their local club. The people selling the tickets are diehards, people whinging about it on Gaaboard are blowhards.
So no I don't agree that a majority are GAA diehards, their diehardness extends to going to county matches and complaining their hole off on GAA board about stuff they probably know very little about.
And yes that would indeed include Armagh kickout strategies
You seem to have a very narrow agenda.
I've:
- played football for 35 years.
- coached and selected at teams from under-8 to senior, including the past 8 years unbroken.
- spent over 15 years on our club committee, including 5 as treasurer.
- served as our county board rep for a couple of years and on a county board subcommittee for a year.
- acted as a team liaison for our county minors for two years.
And my sincere opinion is that if a club from say County Derry cannot find the funds within their own parish, community, town, county to build whatever it they think they need, then they've no business asking people from say County Down to put their hands in their pockets and pay for it.
Am I not GAA enough to be entitled to this opinion?
No issue with you holding that opinion at all.
My opinion would be that the GAA is a national organisation and one which raison d'etre was to promote Irish games and pastimes on a national basis. (Just checked there - the words Nation/National are mentioned in the preface to the Official Guide 10 times).
My sincerely held opinion is that there should be zero issue with clubs fundraising on a national basis (if practicalities allowed).
I think we should take it as a source of pride that members a club in Antrim would see fit to contribute to a club in Kerry (or vice versa). Indeed, it is entirely in line with the aims and ethos of the association.
The parish/town/county element of it should be left to the actual games only.
Quote from: Franko on May 16, 2024, 05:25:52 PMQuote from: thewobbler on May 16, 2024, 02:42:23 PMQuote from: Keyser soze on May 16, 2024, 10:09:37 AMQuote from: onefineday on May 16, 2024, 01:58:01 AMQuote from: Keyser soze on May 15, 2024, 09:53:35 AMMy god there are some crying hoors in the GAA who want everything for free, I surely hope they are over represented on this board or the organisation is truely in trouble.
Crying about the price of tickets to games, and the price of diesel to get to games, and how much a feed costs, and having to get a ticket for the wains, and not getting to see every game on FTA tv, and the game they just saw was lateral shite, and the forward mark, and the studio analysis, and negative managers, and people coming to the door selling tickets for their club, and the amount of money the GAA has, and the lack of money the GAA gives our club, ad nauseum ad nauseum ad nauseum.
And then thinking they are great GAA men when they've not ever wore a shirt or even washed a shirt.
I would say the vast majority of posters on here are not even GAA members.
Keyser, in my experience a good auld moan and gripe is the common language of humanity. I've spent plenty of time abroad and worked with many nationalities and the average gaa fan or poster on this board is no different to the majority everywhere else (well west coast USA with their unwavering positivity might be the exception).
And as for your comment on posters probably not being members, I suspect the vast majority of us are pretty involved with gaa at some level. We are the diehards or we wouldn't be on here in the first place. Not that many people find discussions on the kickout strategies of Armagh all that interesting you know....
There certainly are diehards on here but a majority, definitely not.
There was a thread on ticket selling on here recently.
Not only was there just one poster, of the many who contributed to the thread, who had actually gone out to sell tickets, but there were quite a few who were complaining about being asked to buy a ticket by clubs coming to their door, and there were even a few calling for it to be banned.
Like what sort of GAA person would begrudge being ASKED to voluntarily contribute a few quid to the GAA, by a person who is giving up their time to travel around the country to raise funds for their local club. The people selling the tickets are diehards, people whinging about it on Gaaboard are blowhards.
So no I don't agree that a majority are GAA diehards, their diehardness extends to going to county matches and complaining their hole off on GAA board about stuff they probably know very little about.
And yes that would indeed include Armagh kickout strategies
You seem to have a very narrow agenda.
I've:
- played football for 35 years.
- coached and selected at teams from under-8 to senior, including the past 8 years unbroken.
- spent over 15 years on our club committee, including 5 as treasurer.
- served as our county board rep for a couple of years and on a county board subcommittee for a year.
- acted as a team liaison for our county minors for two years.
And my sincere opinion is that if a club from say County Derry cannot find the funds within their own parish, community, town, county to build whatever it they think they need, then they've no business asking people from say County Down to put their hands in their pockets and pay for it.
Am I not GAA enough to be entitled to this opinion?
No issue with you holding that opinion at all.
My opinion would be that the GAA is a national organisation and one which raison d'etre was to promote Irish games and pastimes on a national basis. (Just checked there - the words Nation/National are mentioned in the preface to the Official Guide 10 times).
My sincerely held opinion is that there should be zero issue with clubs fundraising on a national basis (if practicalities allowed).
I think we should take it as a source of pride that members a club in Antrim would see fit to contribute to a club in Kerry (or vice versa). Indeed, it is entirely in line with the aims and ethos of the association.
The parish/town/county element of it should be left to the actual games only.
I'd think along these lines too. Wouldn't refuse a seller at the door. In saying that, and jot this down, Derry City is the great untapped city as regards ticket sellers from outside the place. 95% are miserable heurs right enough, but it's a numbers game.
I came 3rd in a South Donegal draw about 15 years ago, wasn't a while pile tbh, and didn't even cash the cheque. (lost it, but that's neither here nor there)
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on May 15, 2024, 07:50:02 AMQuote from: seafoid on May 14, 2024, 10:13:27 PMAny idea what the €500 million refers to?
Yes, he referred to two different groups / lists of commitments - one was in relation to new / improved centres of excellence (with both Armagh and Monaghan getting a mention) and the other to GAA Stadium infrastructure projects - this latter list included Kerry, Tipp, Louth, Meath, Kildare and Antrim.
I don't think adding money to GAA grounds does the games much good. Pairc ui chaoimh is a great warning
Quote from: seafoid on May 16, 2024, 08:40:02 PMQuote from: Rufus T Firefly on May 15, 2024, 07:50:02 AMQuote from: seafoid on May 14, 2024, 10:13:27 PMAny idea what the €500 million refers to?
Yes, he referred to two different groups / lists of commitments - one was in relation to new / improved centres of excellence (with both Armagh and Monaghan getting a mention) and the other to GAA Stadium infrastructure projects - this latter list included Kerry, Tipp, Louth, Meath, Kildare and Antrim.
I don't think adding money to GAA grounds does the games much good. Pairc ui chaoimh is a great warning
You don't think Louth, Meath, Kildare and Antrim don't need a help financially??
The Athletic Grounds are a credit to Armagh compared to a lot of places imo. A decent stadium is well worth the money.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 17, 2024, 12:36:28 AMThe Athletic Grounds are a credit to Armagh compared to a lot of places imo. A decent stadium is well worth the money.
Agree to a point, athletic grounds is indeed a great venue. The problem is the plethora of oversized stadia, particularly munster. Every county should have one decent stadium in keeping with their needs.
What we don't need is pissing competitions by county chairmen based on who's stadium is biggest! Similarly, we don't need clubs trying to outdo one another and pouring funds into unnecessary capital projects, even if the funds have been shamed out of some poor tight hoor from ballyholland!
Quote from: onefineday on May 17, 2024, 03:14:25 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on May 17, 2024, 12:36:28 AMThe Athletic Grounds are a credit to Armagh compared to a lot of places imo. A decent stadium is well worth the money.
Agree to a point, athletic grounds is indeed a great venue. The problem is the plethora of oversized stadia, particularly munster. Every county should have one decent stadium in keeping with their needs.
What we don't need is pissing competitions by county chairmen based on who's stadium is biggest! Similarly, we don't need clubs trying to outdo one another and pouring funds into unnecessary capital projects, even if the funds have been shamed out of some poor tight hoor from ballyholland!
What's unnecessary though? Any club thats serious and is fielding men and womens teams needs at least 2 pitches, floodlights and a decent gym. Plenty of teams in the country wouldn't have that.
Quote from: JoG2 on May 16, 2024, 11:26:52 PMQuote from: seafoid on May 16, 2024, 08:40:02 PMQuote from: Rufus T Firefly on May 15, 2024, 07:50:02 AMQuote from: seafoid on May 14, 2024, 10:13:27 PMAny idea what the €500 million refers to?
Yes, he referred to two different groups / lists of commitments - one was in relation to new / improved centres of excellence (with both Armagh and Monaghan getting a mention) and the other to GAA Stadium infrastructure projects - this latter list included Kerry, Tipp, Louth, Meath, Kildare and Antrim.
I don't think adding money to GAA grounds does the games much good. Pairc ui chaoimh is a great warning
You don't think Louth, Meath, Kildare and Antrim don't need a help financially??
They do not need tens of millions each.
Quote from: seafoid on May 18, 2024, 05:59:59 PMQuote from: JoG2 on May 16, 2024, 11:26:52 PMQuote from: seafoid on May 16, 2024, 08:40:02 PMQuote from: Rufus T Firefly on May 15, 2024, 07:50:02 AMQuote from: seafoid on May 14, 2024, 10:13:27 PMAny idea what the €500 million refers to?
Yes, he referred to two different groups / lists of commitments - one was in relation to new / improved centres of excellence (with both Armagh and Monaghan getting a mention) and the other to GAA Stadium infrastructure projects - this latter list included Kerry, Tipp, Louth, Meath, Kildare and Antrim.
I don't think adding money to GAA grounds does the games much good. Pairc ui chaoimh is a great warning
You don't think Louth, Meath, Kildare and Antrim don't need a help financially??
They do not need tens of millions each.
Casement does need 10s of millions.
That's really Ulster Gaa not Antrim Gaa though
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 18, 2024, 06:58:27 PMThat's really Ulster Gaa not Antrim Gaa though
That's fair comment, but it has no effect on the GAA's need for cash.
How much do they actually get from Gaa go?
Quote from: seafoid on May 18, 2024, 05:59:59 PMQuote from: JoG2 on May 16, 2024, 11:26:52 PMQuote from: seafoid on May 16, 2024, 08:40:02 PMQuote from: Rufus T Firefly on May 15, 2024, 07:50:02 AMQuote from: seafoid on May 14, 2024, 10:13:27 PMAny idea what the €500 million refers to?
Yes, he referred to two different groups / lists of commitments - one was in relation to new / improved centres of excellence (with both Armagh and Monaghan getting a mention) and the other to GAA Stadium infrastructure projects - this latter list included Kerry, Tipp, Louth, Meath, Kildare and Antrim.
I don't think adding money to GAA grounds does the games much good. Pairc ui chaoimh is a great warning
You don't think Louth, Meath, Kildare and Antrim don't need a help financially??
They do not need tens of millions each.
Tight hoor
Quote from: armaghniac on May 18, 2024, 06:48:03 PMQuote from: seafoid on May 18, 2024, 05:59:59 PMQuote from: JoG2 on May 16, 2024, 11:26:52 PMQuote from: seafoid on May 16, 2024, 08:40:02 PMQuote from: Rufus T Firefly on May 15, 2024, 07:50:02 AMQuote from: seafoid on May 14, 2024, 10:13:27 PMAny idea what the €500 million refers to?
Yes, he referred to two different groups / lists of commitments - one was in relation to new / improved centres of excellence (with both Armagh and Monaghan getting a mention) and the other to GAA Stadium infrastructure projects - this latter list included Kerry, Tipp, Louth, Meath, Kildare and Antrim.
I don't think adding money to GAA grounds does the games much good. Pairc ui chaoimh is a great warning
You don't think Louth, Meath, Kildare and Antrim don't need a help financially??
They do not need tens of millions each.
Casement does need 10s of millions.
This is a circular issue. What sort of improvement levels does it need? does it need to be ready for the Euros ?
If work doesn't start soon they may forget about it.
Time is of the essence but there doesn't seem to be much of a push on for it.
As someone else said earlier, it's been a complete mess from the start.