Group 1:
18/19 May: Galway v Derry
25/26 May: Armagh v Westmeath
1/2 June: Westmeath v Galway, Derry v Armagh
15/16 June (Neutral venue): Galway v Armagh, Derry v Westmeath
Home Venues shall be subject to approval by the Central Competitions Control Committee and shall meet the criteria set down by the National Facilities/Health and Safety Committee.
Teams will be awarded two points for a win and one point for a draw.
Preliminary Quarter-Finals
22-23.06.2024 (Sat/Sun)
The four second-placed teams from Round 1 (Group Stage) shall be drawn to play at home against the four third-placed teams, subject in the first instance to the avoidance of repeat Provincial Final pairings and where possible repeat pairings from Round 1.
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Quarter-Finals
29-30.06.2024 (Sat/Sun)
The four first-place teams from Round 1 (Group Stage) shall be drawn to play against the four Preliminary Quarter-Finals winners, subject in the first instance to the avoidance of repeat Provincial Final pairings and where possible repeat pairings from Round 1 (Group Stage).
Semi-Finals
13-14.07.2024 (Sat/Sun)
The four quarter-final winners shall play against each other in the Semi-Final based on a draw, subject to the avoidance of repeat pairings from the championship, where possible.
Final
28.07.2024 (Sun) | (Replay: 10.08.2024 (Sat))
The winners of the All-Ireland Semi-Finals shall meet in the All-Ireland Final.
Venues
Venues for the All-Ireland Quarter-Finals, Semi-Finals and Final shall be determined by the Central Competitions Control Committee.
Winner on the Day
The All-Ireland Football Preliminary Quarter-Finals, Quarter-Finals & Semi-Finals will be Winner on the Day. The All-Ireland Final will have Extra time in the original fixture and will be Winner on the Day in the event of a replay only.
The following regulations shall govern the GAA Senior Inter-County Championships (Rule 6.12 (k) T.O. 2023):
If a Team is Disqualified or Retires
• If a team is disqualified or retired during the course of the League Stage, its played Games shall still stand and its unplayed Games shall be awarded to the Opposing Teams
When Teams finish with equal points for Qualification for the Concluding Stages, the tie shall be decided by the following means and in the order specified:
(i) Where two Teams only are involved - the outcome of the meeting of the two Teams in the previous game in the Competition;
(ii) Scoring Difference (subtracting the total Scores Against from total Scores For);
(iii) Highest Total Score For;
(iv) Highest Total Goals For;
(v) A Play-Off
In the event that two teams or more finish with equal points, but have been affected by a disqualification, loss of game on a proven objection, retirement or walkover, the tie shall be decided by the following means:
(i) Least number of Walkovers given.
(ii) Score Difference from the games in which only the teams involved, (teams tied on points), have played each other (subtracting the total Scores Against from the total Scores For)
(iii) Highest Total Score For, in which only the teams involved have played each other, and have finished equal in (ii)
(iv) Highest Total Goals For, in which only the teams involved have played each other, and have finished equal in (ii) & (iii)
(v) A Play-Off
Not the group Armagh would have wanted to be in of course. It looks like it will be very tough. Westmeath probably should have caught us at this stage last year and they almost caught Tyrone too. That certainly isnt an easy game.
Going to Celtic Park is always difficult for any team.
I dont expect there to be a big margin between the teams in any of the games and so the final standings could well be up in the air. Topping the pile would be amazing. If not, then getting 2nd and securing that home advantage is essential.
Quote from: lurganblue on May 13, 2024, 08:46:16 AMNot the group Armagh would have wanted to be in of course. It looks like it will be very tough. Westmeath probably should have caught us at this stage last year and they almost caught Tyrone too. That certainly isnt an easy game.
Going to Celtic Park is always difficult for any team.
I dont expect there to be a big margin between the teams in any of the games and so the final standings could well be up in the air. Topping the pile would be amazing. If not, then getting 2nd and securing that home advantage is essential.
I'd agree. Winning the group is vital.
Galway definitely favourites with the 3 forwards all back and they've have had another 2 weeks training banked
El Group of Death. Probably the most interesting of the 4. Something tells me a Westmeath have one result in them...
At the moment, I can't see Armagh getting out of this group. Don't know how the players pick themselves up
Quote from: JoG2 on May 13, 2024, 08:57:37 AMQuote from: lurganblue on May 13, 2024, 08:46:16 AMNot the group Armagh would have wanted to be in of course. It looks like it will be very tough. Westmeath probably should have caught us at this stage last year and they almost caught Tyrone too. That certainly isnt an easy game.
Going to Celtic Park is always difficult for any team.
I dont expect there to be a big margin between the teams in any of the games and so the final standings could well be up in the air. Topping the pile would be amazing. If not, then getting 2nd and securing that home advantage is essential.
I'd agree. Winning the group is vital.
Galway definitely favourites with the 3 forwards all back and they've have had another 2 weeks training banked
The bookies don't share your view. Derry are 4/5 for next week's game and Galway 11/8.
Hard to guage this group now.
Will Galway push on now they have some key players back?
Will Derry improve after the tanking by Donegal or fall apart?
Will Armagh be able to recover from the heartbreak of losing another final to another penalty shoot out?
Will Westmeath be rubbing their hands in anticipation of being all but written off by most.
There's no easy games in this group that's for sure.
Quote from: Mario on May 13, 2024, 09:49:26 AMQuote from: JoG2 on May 13, 2024, 08:57:37 AMQuote from: lurganblue on May 13, 2024, 08:46:16 AMNot the group Armagh would have wanted to be in of course. It looks like it will be very tough. Westmeath probably should have caught us at this stage last year and they almost caught Tyrone too. That certainly isnt an easy game.
Going to Celtic Park is always difficult for any team.
I dont expect there to be a big margin between the teams in any of the games and so the final standings could well be up in the air. Topping the pile would be amazing. If not, then getting 2nd and securing that home advantage is essential.
I'd agree. Winning the group is vital.
Galway definitely favourites with the 3 forwards all back and they've have had another 2 weeks training banked
The bookies don't share your view. Derry are 4/5 for next week's game and Galway 11/8.
Ahh naw! Hope the bookies aren't wrong this time
Quote from: JoG2 on May 13, 2024, 10:41:09 AMQuote from: Mario on May 13, 2024, 09:49:26 AMQuote from: JoG2 on May 13, 2024, 08:57:37 AMQuote from: lurganblue on May 13, 2024, 08:46:16 AMNot the group Armagh would have wanted to be in of course. It looks like it will be very tough. Westmeath probably should have caught us at this stage last year and they almost caught Tyrone too. That certainly isnt an easy game.
Going to Celtic Park is always difficult for any team.
I dont expect there to be a big margin between the teams in any of the games and so the final standings could well be up in the air. Topping the pile would be amazing. If not, then getting 2nd and securing that home advantage is essential.
I'd agree. Winning the group is vital.
Galway definitely favourites with the 3 forwards all back and they've have had another 2 weeks training banked
The bookies don't share your view. Derry are 4/5 for next week's game and Galway 11/8.
Ahh naw! Hope the bookies aren't wrong this time
Galway are our bogey team and will be on a high after winning the provincial title.
Derry bound to be rattled and a little bit nervy after the Donegal thumping.
Wouldn't surprise me if we got beat - 50/50 game at best especially as we are away.
This group might end up like last year where it came down to last 5 minutes of the last games. Say that Galway beat Derry, then Derry beat Armagh, but Armagh squeeze past Galway.
Quote from: Mario on May 13, 2024, 09:49:26 AMQuote from: JoG2 on May 13, 2024, 08:57:37 AMQuote from: lurganblue on May 13, 2024, 08:46:16 AMNot the group Armagh would have wanted to be in of course. It looks like it will be very tough. Westmeath probably should have caught us at this stage last year and they almost caught Tyrone too. That certainly isnt an easy game.
Going to Celtic Park is always difficult for any team.
I dont expect there to be a big margin between the teams in any of the games and so the final standings could well be up in the air. Topping the pile would be amazing. If not, then getting 2nd and securing that home advantage is essential.
I'd agree. Winning the group is vital.
Galway definitely favourites with the 3 forwards all back and they've have had another 2 weeks training banked
The bookies don't share your view. Derry are 4/5 for next week's game and Galway 11/8.
Good value on Galway at home and a bogey team for Derry. Galway/Derry to be the top 2 with Armagh/Westmeath battling out for third would be my view. The most winnable game for Armagh is first which not ideal given yesterdays outcome and how flat they were against Westmeath last year.
No easy game especially Derry in Derry. Massive, massive ask for us to pick ourselves up again after yesterday but if we do we're well capable of topping that group. We know how tricky we got it against Westmeath last year and obviously know all about Galway.
Galway get the toughest group for the 2nd year in a row which isn't much reward for winning Connacht.
Could come down to small margins last year, many people forget that if Tyrone had beaten Westmeath Galway would have gone through as group winners.
Derry are rightly favourites, just hope Galway turn up and put in a performance.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on May 13, 2024, 03:17:15 PMGalway get the toughest group for the 2nd year in a row which isn't much reward for winning Connacht.
Could come down to small margins last year, many people forget that if Tyrone had beaten Westmeath Galway would have gone through as group winners.
Derry are rightly favourites, just hope Galway turn up and put in a performance.
Heslin had the chance to win that game for Westmeath and the result would've been the same.
For small margins I would look to Walsh's missed penalty and final free kick in the game against Armagh.
I'd like to see a number of new faces start against Westmeath, and give others a break. Not taking Westmeath lightly, but we should still have enough to win whilst resting players for remaining matches.
So rest Andy Murnin, Rian O'Neill, Ryan Grugan, Aidan Forker, Aaron McKay and Stefan Campbell,
Start Jason Duffy, Tiaran Kelly, Aidan Nugent, Shane McPartlan, Connaire Mackin, Jarley Og Burns and Barry McCambridge (Well, start 6 out of those 7).
Not taking them lightly but you'd rest near half your team including some of your main players? Interesting..
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on May 13, 2024, 05:22:37 PMNot taking them lightly but you'd rest near half your team including some of your main players? Interesting..
No, you are starting your subs, not as much of a change as you might think.
Wouldn't mind seeing some changes, definitely think Nugent and Duffy should in from the start and Oisin O'Neill should see far more game time. Grugan, Murnin, Forker etc played most of the league and have plenty of miles in the legs. Would definitely start Rian though as he didn't play much in the league and could do with more football.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 13, 2024, 05:33:17 PMWouldn't mind seeing some changes, definitely think Nugent and Duffy should in from the start and Oisin O'Neill should see far more game time. Grugan, Murnin, Forker etc played most of the league and have plenty of miles in the legs. Would definitely start Rian though as he didn't play much in the league and could do with more football.
Exactly.
Derry lose the Galway game. Just because it's Galway,them and Longford were always abit of Kryptonite.I think we win the other 2,i don't think Derry will fall apart, but the keeper got to stay well bck on opposite kickouts, it serves no point, maybe 2/3 possessions in a game, not worth giving away 1 goal, foreby 3.Keeper need show abit of cop on in that situation, no matter what's he told.
Quote from: Orior on May 13, 2024, 05:08:43 PMI'd like to see a number of new faces start against Westmeath, and give others a break. Not taking Westmeath lightly, but we should still have enough to win whilst resting players for remaining matches.
So rest Andy Murnin, Rian O'Neill, Ryan Grugan, Aidan Forker, Aaron McKay and Stefan Campbell,
Start Jason Duffy, Tiaran Kelly, Aidan Nugent, Shane McPartlan, Connaire Mackin, Jarley Og Burns and Barry McCambridge (Well, start 6 out of those 7).
Wasn't tiernan Kelly the player who gave the most to the shemozzle during the Armagh Galway qf in 2022 ?
Quote from: Orior on May 13, 2024, 05:08:43 PMI'd like to see a number of new faces start against Westmeath, and give others a break. Not taking Westmeath lightly, but we should still have enough to win whilst resting players for remaining matches.
So rest Andy Murnin, Rian O'Neill, Ryan Grugan, Aidan Forker, Aaron McKay and Stefan Campbell,
Start Jason Duffy, Tiaran Kelly, Aidan Nugent, Shane McPartlan, Connaire Mackin, Jarley Og Burns and Barry McCambridge (Well, start 6 out of those 7).
I don't know about changes but this definitely isn't a game Armagh should be considering giving players a rest in. If they were to lose the home match in that group there is a serious danger of not making it out of the group. The other two matches are very difficult.
With the exception of Kildare (and who can ever trust Kildare), every team off a 4-6 week break outperformed expectation in Round 1 last year against the team coming off a provincial final. Some of them by a huge margin:
Mayo beat Kerry by 6 having been 4 points underdogs
Ros drew with Dublin as 7 pt underdogs
Westmeath lost by 1 v Armagh as 6 pt underdogs
Monaghan drew with Derry as 6 pt underdogs
Ball is firmly in Derry's court this weekend. Connacht final was entertaining but lowish on quality, and its hard to see Galway getting to the same pitch again after an emotional win. 3 or 4 good performers and Comer to carry proceedings again won't cut it. Wouldn't rule out Cavan against Mayo in group 2 either
Quote from: Manning18 on May 14, 2024, 08:34:34 AMWith the exception of Kildare (and who can ever trust Kildare), every team off a 4-6 week break outperformed expectation in Round 1 last year against the team coming off a provincial final. Some of them by a huge margin:
Mayo beat Kerry by 6 having been 4 points underdogs
Ros drew with Dublin as 7 pt underdogs
Westmeath lost by 1 v Armagh as 6 pt underdogs
Monaghan drew with Derry as 6 pt underdogs
Ball is firmly in Derry's court this weekend. Connacht final was entertaining but lowish on quality, and its hard to see Galway getting to the same pitch again after an emotional win. 3 or 4 good performers and Comer to carry proceedings again won't cut it. Wouldn't rule out Cavan against Mayo in group 2 either
2 week break not long enough? 3 weeks better and no Connacht title be better
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on May 13, 2024, 09:57:25 PMQuote from: Orior on May 13, 2024, 05:08:43 PMI'd like to see a number of new faces start against Westmeath, and give others a break. Not taking Westmeath lightly, but we should still have enough to win whilst resting players for remaining matches.
So rest Andy Murnin, Rian O'Neill, Ryan Grugan, Aidan Forker, Aaron McKay and Stefan Campbell,
Start Jason Duffy, Tiaran Kelly, Aidan Nugent, Shane McPartlan, Connaire Mackin, Jarley Og Burns and Barry McCambridge (Well, start 6 out of those 7).
I don't know about changes but this definitely isn't a game Armagh should be considering giving players a rest in. If they were to lose the home match in that group there is a serious danger of not making it out of the group. The other two matches are very difficult.
Wouldn't be saying rest players but would like to see the thing freshened up, likes of the lads who came on the last day and did well should get more gametime or even start.
I sort of wondered had Rian hurt himself as he was taken off just after he had slipped and gotten up a little gingerly.
I dont think those large scale changes are a good idea at all v Westmeath. I expect a very tough battle.
Quote from: lurganblue on May 14, 2024, 09:14:01 AMI sort of wondered had Rian hurt himself as he was taken off just after he had slipped and gotten up a little gingerly.
I dont think those large scale changes are a good idea at all v Westmeath. I expect a very tough battle.
Yeah he looked sore, probably just knackered.
it will be interesting to see how each of the provincial winners cope with their first games, each of the winners last year all struggled with the first game of the group. Kerry lost to Mayo, Derry were flat against Monaghan, Galway struggled in the group. Psychological difficult after winning a championship to lift yourself immediately for a new competition.
Quote from: shawshank on May 14, 2024, 09:52:19 AMit will be interesting to see how each of the provincial winners cope with their first games, each of the winners last year all struggled with the first game of the group. Kerry lost to Mayo, Derry were flat against Monaghan, Galway struggled in the group. Psychological difficult after winning a championship to lift yourself immediately for a new competition.
Galway won their first 2 group games, indeed they didn't lose a game (by a point, with a 2 week break) until 6 weeks after they won Connacht
I'd say it'll be tougher for ourselves and Mayo as provincial losers to pick ourselves up, ourselves especially given the nature of the defeat and the effort put in to winning a provincial. Very hard to mentally come back from that. Clare and Louth both gave encouraging performances as underdogs and will take a lot from their defeats and both have a good chance of getting out of the group.
Wholesale changes for Armagh v Westmeath would be madness. It really has to be a guaranteed win or the game will be well and truely up. We're well warned after last year, I wouldn't change any personnel from the weekend - injuries permitting.
See a squad of them on the beer in the Foresters in Lurgan last night, good luck to them, do them no harm.
Quote from: bennydorano on May 14, 2024, 10:27:43 AMWholesale changes for Armagh v Westmeath would be madness. It really has to be a guaranteed win or the game will be well and truely up. We're well warned after last year, I wouldn't change any personnel from the weekend - injuries permitting.
See a squad of them on the beer in the Foresters in Lurgan last night, good luck to them, do them no harm.
Yes, was good to see.
Quote from: lurganblue on May 14, 2024, 10:30:43 AMQuote from: bennydorano on May 14, 2024, 10:27:43 AMWholesale changes for Armagh v Westmeath would be madness. It really has to be a guaranteed win or the game will be well and truely up. We're well warned after last year, I wouldn't change any personnel from the weekend - injuries permitting.
See a squad of them on the beer in the Foresters in Lurgan last night, good luck to them, do them no harm.
Yes, was good to see.
Was good to see them letting shackles off. Not a fan of people bringing the children in though for pictures etc, the lads give up alot of time after games to do that for kids win lose or draw should be able to enjoy a few pints in peace after an Ulster Final.
Westmeath is a dangerous match but at least we are forewarned having played them last year. It's probably the critical match in the group for us since if we beat them we are almost guaranteed last 12. Management have a big job picking the players up after Sunday now. Barring injuries or knocks I wouldn't make too many changes either given how well we played for 3/4 of the game on Sunday. Maybe just freshen the team up with one or two players. They are quite a defensive outfit as well so it could be worth starting Oisin O'Neill as we will need to be able to pick off scores from long range against them.
Quote from: yellowcard on May 14, 2024, 10:46:26 AMWestmeath is a dangerous match but at least we are forewarned having played them last year. It's probably the critical match in the group for us since if we beat them we are almost guaranteed last 12. Management have a big job picking the players up after Sunday now. Barring injuries or knocks I wouldn't make too many changes either given how well we played for 3/4 of the game on Sunday. Maybe just freshen the team up with one or two players. They are quite a defensive outfit as well so it could be worth starting Oisin O'Neill as we will need to be able to pick off scores from long range against them.
Quote from: yellowcard on May 14, 2024, 10:46:26 AMWestmeath is a dangerous match but at least we are forewarned having played them last year. It's probably the critical match in the group for us since if we beat them we are almost guaranteed last 12. Management have a big job picking the players up after Sunday now. Barring injuries or knocks I wouldn't make too many changes either given how well we played for 3/4 of the game on Sunday. Maybe just freshen the team up with one or two players. They are quite a defensive outfit as well so it could be worth starting Oisin O'Neill as we will need to be able to pick off scores from long range against them.
Quote from: yellowcard on May 14, 2024, 10:46:26 AMWestmeath is a dangerous match but at least we are forewarned having played them last year. It's probably the critical match in the group for us since if we beat them we are almost guaranteed last 12. Management have a big job picking the players up after Sunday now. Barring injuries or knocks I wouldn't make too many changes either given how well we played for 3/4 of the game on Sunday. Maybe just freshen the team up with one or two players. They are quite a defensive outfit as well so it could be worth starting Oisin O'Neill as we will need to be able to pick off scores from long range against them.
Sunday was as sharp as Nugent has looked in Armagh shirt since he did the cruciate, I would have him in the mix too another player who can potentially score from distance.
Quote from: yellowcard on May 14, 2024, 10:46:26 AMWestmeath is a dangerous match but at least we are forewarned having played them last year. It's probably the critical match in the group for us since if we beat them we are almost guaranteed last 12. Management have a big job picking the players up after Sunday now. Barring injuries or knocks I wouldn't make too many changes either given how well we played for 3/4 of the game on Sunday. Maybe just freshen the team up with one or two players. They are quite a defensive outfit as well so it could be worth starting Oisin O'Neill as we will need to be able to pick off scores from long range against them.
I presume there are scenarios where score difference could determine second and third place, so given that we have them at home then we should aim to win by more than the minimum.
I'm not sure what is the situation with Oisin O'Neill's fitness. He looked rightly in recent games, but I expect they were building him up, as he would get his place on talent. Likewise with Nugent, who is now looking more like his 2022 self.
When will the fixtures be confirmed?
Quote from: p3427977 on May 14, 2024, 12:50:48 PMWhen will the fixtures be confirmed?
The GAA are f'ing useless at planning ahead. All we have is an idea of the weekend each of the teams will be playing. It's ludicrous that they can't publish for all these group games the exact day and time they'll be played and the venues for all the netural games. It's not rocket science. It gives people a chance to plan rather than waiting until each round has been played before announcing the day and time for the next round of games. Surely that is a PR own goal? Am I missing something around that?
Don't have any faith in Derry getting a result against Galway, don't think we have ever beat them in Senior championship.
Last time we played them in Q's, Conor Lane gave us as sore a riding as I've ever seen from a referee.
PS sorry to intrude on an Armagh thread lol
Is the neutral round on the same weekend as Tailteann knock out games
Can't foretell what pitches will be available 5 weeks in advance then.
But certainly the games 25/26 May and 1/2 June ought to be all decided and published by now.
Quote from: Keyser soze on May 14, 2024, 02:30:43 PMDon't have any faith in Derry getting a result against Galway, don't think we have ever beat them in Senior championship.
Last time we played them in Q's, Conor Lane gave us as sore a riding as I've ever seen from a referee.
PS sorry to intrude on an Armagh thread lol
This version of Derry has played Galway a few times, lost 2 and won 1, league / championship. So history, bogey team etc wouldn't come into my thinking. Home advantage and their inside forward line does. If I was a gambling man I'd say there will only be a kick of a ball in it with Galway winning a fairly open game of football. Could be a cracker. Hope I'm wrong
Saturday 25th Armagh v Westmeath, Athletic Grounds, 6pm no live coverage.
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 14, 2024, 03:32:57 PMSaturday 25th Armagh v Westmeath, Athletic Grounds, 6pm no live coverage.
Hope we get a good crowd out to support the lads, need a boost after that result
Conor Lane, didn't give a stonewall penalty on O'Boyle, which would drew the game if scored. From the same play Galway broke up the field to score a goal from Cummins.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 14, 2024, 04:02:01 PMConor Lane, didn't give a stonewall penalty on O'Boyle, which would drew the game if scored. From the same play Galway broke up the field to score a goal from Cummins.
I was down in front of that getting drenched Wasn't a pen. I do remember Lane giving Galway 2 or 3 soft frees alright that Gary Sice kicked over. Derry were hard done by but considering Galway nearly won by double scores in the end it's a stretch to say he was the difference. Neither team were going anywhere fast that year
Brendan Cawley is in the middle Sunday, the worst referee in the rotation by a country mile. Hopefully he can have as little impact on proceedings as possible but I won't hold my breath
How are Derry shaping up injury wise aside from McGrogans unfortunate long term issue?
Cawley was the man in the middle for the AI semi between Derry and Galway in 2022. Thought he was v harsh on Derry in the first half that day. Just hope he is anonymous on Saturday evening, but I'd doubt it.
Quote from: JoG2 on May 14, 2024, 03:25:03 PMQuote from: Keyser soze on May 14, 2024, 02:30:43 PMDon't have any faith in Derry getting a result against Galway, don't think we have ever beat them in Senior championship.
Last time we played them in Q's, Conor Lane gave us as sore a riding as I've ever seen from a referee.
PS sorry to intrude on an Armagh thread lol
This version of Derry has played Galway a few times, lost 2 and won 1, league / championship. So history, bogey team etc wouldn't come into my thinking. Home advantage and their inside forward line does. If I was a gambling man I'd say there will only be a kick of a ball in it with Galway winning a fairly open game of football. Could be a cracker. Hope I'm wrong
I'm not sure what your point is, or if you're agreeing or disagreeing with me.
No version of Derry has ever beaten Galway in championship, you can be sure that will be a factor on saturday.
Quote from: Keyser soze on May 15, 2024, 01:53:39 PMQuote from: JoG2 on May 14, 2024, 03:25:03 PMQuote from: Keyser soze on May 14, 2024, 02:30:43 PMDon't have any faith in Derry getting a result against Galway, don't think we have ever beat them in Senior championship.
Last time we played them in Q's, Conor Lane gave us as sore a riding as I've ever seen from a referee.
PS sorry to intrude on an Armagh thread lol
This version of Derry has played Galway a few times, lost 2 and won 1, league / championship. So history, bogey team etc wouldn't come into my thinking. Home advantage and their inside forward line does. If I was a gambling man I'd say there will only be a kick of a ball in it with Galway winning a fairly open game of football. Could be a cracker. Hope I'm wrong
I'm not sure what your point is, or if you're agreeing or disagreeing with me.
No version of Derry has ever beaten Galway in championship, you can be sure that will be a factor on saturday.
Injuries look like being the main factor atm if true
Quote from: JoG2 on May 15, 2024, 01:55:30 PMQuote from: Keyser soze on May 15, 2024, 01:53:39 PMQuote from: JoG2 on May 14, 2024, 03:25:03 PMQuote from: Keyser soze on May 14, 2024, 02:30:43 PMDon't have any faith in Derry getting a result against Galway, don't think we have ever beat them in Senior championship.
Last time we played them in Q's, Conor Lane gave us as sore a riding as I've ever seen from a referee.
PS sorry to intrude on an Armagh thread lol
This version of Derry has played Galway a few times, lost 2 and won 1, league / championship. So history, bogey team etc wouldn't come into my thinking. Home advantage and their inside forward line does. If I was a gambling man I'd say there will only be a kick of a ball in it with Galway winning a fairly open game of football. Could be a cracker. Hope I'm wrong
I'm not sure what your point is, or if you're agreeing or disagreeing with me.
No version of Derry has ever beaten Galway in championship, you can be sure that will be a factor on saturday.
Injuries look like being the main factor atm if true
I'm hearing McEvoy is the main doubt and the others should play... in that case who picks up Comer?
It's a 50/50 game even if we're fully fit. I think recent results have pushed Derry out of the top 3 and back into the group of 6 teams that could all beat eachother on a given day.
Derry/Galway/Armagh - Donegal/Tyrone - Mayo.
You'd expect all of these will get into the last 12.
Quote from: Keyser soze on May 15, 2024, 01:53:39 PMNo version of Derry has ever beaten Galway in championship, you can be sure that will be a factor on saturday.
Janey, even Armagh has beaten Galway.
Quote from: armaghniac on May 15, 2024, 06:44:38 PMQuote from: Keyser soze on May 15, 2024, 01:53:39 PMNo version of Derry has ever beaten Galway in championship, you can be sure that will be a factor on saturday.
Janey, even Armagh has beaten Galway.
Derry wans trying their hand at the cute hoorism here? Sure Derry were in the big three talk with Dublin and Kerry not just a few weeks ago.
Quote from: lurganblue on May 16, 2024, 08:33:34 AMQuote from: armaghniac on May 15, 2024, 06:44:38 PMQuote from: Keyser soze on May 15, 2024, 01:53:39 PMNo version of Derry has ever beaten Galway in championship, you can be sure that will be a factor on saturday.
Janey, even Armagh has beaten Galway.
Derry wans trying their hand at the cute hoorism here? Sure Derry were in the big three talk with Dublin and Kerry not just a few weeks ago.
Definately not in my opinion.
Top 3 talk was mostly coming from outside Derry, whereas the rest of us realists were/are hopeful rather than expectant. Been around Derry too long to set the bar of expectation too high.
After the Donegal defeat, and the manner of that defeat, confidence has taken a hit. Now with an abundance of injuries to key players and the fact we are away to Galway - its a case of travelling in hope rather than expectation I feel.
Who are the injuries other than McGrogan?
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 16, 2024, 09:32:34 AMWho are the injuries other than McGrogan?
McEvoy & Conor Doc is the news going around. Which if true is a massive blow to us and tips the scales in the direction of Galway.
Sorry forgot to include Murphy in that who is still injured by all accounts.
Quote from: lurganblue on May 16, 2024, 08:33:34 AMQuote from: armaghniac on May 15, 2024, 06:44:38 PMQuote from: Keyser soze on May 15, 2024, 01:53:39 PMNo version of Derry has ever beaten Galway in championship, you can be sure that will be a factor on saturday.
Janey, even Armagh has beaten Galway.
Derry wans trying their hand at the cute hoorism here? Sure Derry were in the big three talk with Dublin and Kerry not just a few weeks ago.
I would be more confident going to Kerry or Dublin and getting a result than I am about saturday due to our previous with Galway.
Quote from: Manning18 on May 14, 2024, 04:25:20 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on May 14, 2024, 04:02:01 PMConor Lane, didn't give a stonewall penalty on O'Boyle, which would drew the game if scored. From the same play Galway broke up the field to score a goal from Cummins.
I was down in front of that getting drenched Wasn't a pen. I do remember Lane giving Galway 2 or 3 soft frees alright that Gary Sice kicked over. Derry were hard done by but considering Galway nearly won by double scores in the end it's a stretch to say he was the difference. Neither team were going anywhere fast that year
Brendan Cawley is in the middle Sunday, the worst referee in the rotation by a country mile. Hopefully he can have as little impact on proceedings as possible but I won't hold my breath
How are Derry shaping up injury wise aside from McGrogans unfortunate long term issue?
It was Cawley who reffed last years league final? He was shocking, he reffed a game recently and came away thinking how is he still reffing in the top tier.
Quote from: Keyser soze on May 16, 2024, 09:46:58 AMQuote from: lurganblue on May 16, 2024, 08:33:34 AMQuote from: armaghniac on May 15, 2024, 06:44:38 PMQuote from: Keyser soze on May 15, 2024, 01:53:39 PMNo version of Derry has ever beaten Galway in championship, you can be sure that will be a factor on saturday.
Janey, even Armagh has beaten Galway.
Derry wans trying their hand at the cute hoorism here? Sure Derry were in the big three talk with Dublin and Kerry not just a few weeks ago.
I would be more confident going to Kerry or Dublin and getting a result than I am about saturday due to our previous with Galway.
Out of those 3 Galway would be the 1 to choose on the road. This history v Galway will have no baring at all on Sat. I'd say at most 2 Derry players played in 2015 and will be involved on Sat. Pretty much all of them beat Galway in Salthill in March.
Quote from: lurganblue on May 16, 2024, 08:33:34 AMQuote from: armaghniac on May 15, 2024, 06:44:38 PMQuote from: Keyser soze on May 15, 2024, 01:53:39 PMNo version of Derry has ever beaten Galway in championship, you can be sure that will be a factor on saturday.
Janey, even Armagh has beaten Galway.
Derry wans trying their hand at the cute hoorism here? Sure Derry were in the big three talk with Dublin and Kerry not just a few weeks ago.
Conversation of the big three talk will be back on should Derry win this weekend. A win will put them in the box seat to top the group and then perhaps talking on a Mayo,Tyrone or Monaghan in the last eight tie that they'll be expected to win. Should Dublin play Kerry in one semi final you could be looking at All Ireland final spot for Derry yet.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 16, 2024, 02:36:25 PMQuote from: lurganblue on May 16, 2024, 08:33:34 AMQuote from: armaghniac on May 15, 2024, 06:44:38 PMQuote from: Keyser soze on May 15, 2024, 01:53:39 PMNo version of Derry has ever beaten Galway in championship, you can be sure that will be a factor on saturday.
Janey, even Armagh has beaten Galway.
Derry wans trying their hand at the cute hoorism here? Sure Derry were in the big three talk with Dublin and Kerry not just a few weeks ago.
Conversation of the big three talk will be back on should Derry win this weekend. A win will put them in the box seat to top the group and then perhaps talking on a Mayo,Tyrone or Monaghan in the last eight tie that they'll be expected to win. Should Dublin play Kerry in one semi final you could be looking at All Ireland final spot for Derry yet.
If we beat Galway with a depleted side undoubtedly those conversations will happen in the media.
But if we get beaten in the manner we did against Donegal - regardless of team on the field, the talk will be of the wheels coming off in the media.
Fine lines between being top 3 and an also ran in the media sphere.
I'd love to win, but if we lose I'm more interested in a good performance as 2 bad ones in a row will do nothing for confidence.
Quote from: JoG2 on May 16, 2024, 02:21:28 PMQuote from: Keyser soze on May 16, 2024, 09:46:58 AMQuote from: lurganblue on May 16, 2024, 08:33:34 AMQuote from: armaghniac on May 15, 2024, 06:44:38 PMQuote from: Keyser soze on May 15, 2024, 01:53:39 PMNo version of Derry has ever beaten Galway in championship, you can be sure that will be a factor on saturday.
Janey, even Armagh has beaten Galway.
Derry wans trying their hand at the cute hoorism here? Sure Derry were in the big three talk with Dublin and Kerry not just a few weeks ago.
I would be more confident going to Kerry or Dublin and getting a result than I am about saturday due to our previous with Galway.
Out of those 3 Galway would be the 1 to choose on the road. This history v Galway will have no baring at all on Sat. I'd say at most 2 Derry players played in 2015 and will be involved on Sat. Pretty much all of them beat Galway in Salthill in March.
They bate us out the gate 2 years ago in AI SF in CP when most of this team were playing.
And a league result in March will have no bearing esp as Galway had so many out injured at that time.
PS I sincerely hope you are right.
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 16, 2024, 03:05:47 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on May 16, 2024, 02:36:25 PMQuote from: lurganblue on May 16, 2024, 08:33:34 AMQuote from: armaghniac on May 15, 2024, 06:44:38 PMQuote from: Keyser soze on May 15, 2024, 01:53:39 PMNo version of Derry has ever beaten Galway in championship, you can be sure that will be a factor on saturday.
Janey, even Armagh has beaten Galway.
Derry wans trying their hand at the cute hoorism here? Sure Derry were in the big three talk with Dublin and Kerry not just a few weeks ago.
Conversation of the big three talk will be back on should Derry win this weekend. A win will put them in the box seat to top the group and then perhaps talking on a Mayo,Tyrone or Monaghan in the last eight tie that they'll be expected to win. Should Dublin play Kerry in one semi final you could be looking at All Ireland final spot for Derry yet.
If we beat Galway with a depleted side undoubtedly those conversations will happen in the media.
But if we get beaten in the manner we did against Donegal - regardless of team on the field, the talk will be of the wheels coming off in the media.
Fine lines between being top 3 and an also ran in the media sphere.
I'd love to win, but if we lose I'm more interested in a good performance as 2 bad ones in a row will do nothing for confidence.
You beat Galway in Salthill with this team by a bit to spare a few months ago.
Ryan Scullion; Diarmuid Baker, Chrissy McKaigue, Conor McCluskey; Conor Doherty, Eoin McEvoy, Padraig McGrogan; Conor Glass (captain), Brendan Rogers; Ethan Doherty, Ciarán McFaul, Paul Cassidy; Niall Loughlin, Shane McGuigan, Declan Cassidy.
Subs: Niall Toner for Conor Doherty inj. (35), Donnacha Gilmore for Declan Cassidy (50), Lachlan Murray for Loughlin (56), Eunan Mulholland for Paul Cassidy (65).
Other than Padraig McGrogan who will be missing for Derry this weekend?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 16, 2024, 03:34:14 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on May 16, 2024, 03:05:47 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on May 16, 2024, 02:36:25 PMQuote from: lurganblue on May 16, 2024, 08:33:34 AMQuote from: armaghniac on May 15, 2024, 06:44:38 PMQuote from: Keyser soze on May 15, 2024, 01:53:39 PMNo version of Derry has ever beaten Galway in championship, you can be sure that will be a factor on saturday.
Janey, even Armagh has beaten Galway.
Derry wans trying their hand at the cute hoorism here? Sure Derry were in the big three talk with Dublin and Kerry not just a few weeks ago.
Conversation of the big three talk will be back on should Derry win this weekend. A win will put them in the box seat to top the group and then perhaps talking on a Mayo,Tyrone or Monaghan in the last eight tie that they'll be expected to win. Should Dublin play Kerry in one semi final you could be looking at All Ireland final spot for Derry yet.
If we beat Galway with a depleted side undoubtedly those conversations will happen in the media.
But if we get beaten in the manner we did against Donegal - regardless of team on the field, the talk will be of the wheels coming off in the media.
Fine lines between being top 3 and an also ran in the media sphere.
I'd love to win, but if we lose I'm more interested in a good performance as 2 bad ones in a row will do nothing for confidence.
You beat Galway in Salthill with this team by a bit to spare a few months ago.
Ryan Scullion; Diarmuid Baker, Chrissy McKaigue, Conor McCluskey; Conor Doherty, Eoin McEvoy, Padraig McGrogan; Conor Glass (captain), Brendan Rogers; Ethan Doherty, Ciarán McFaul, Paul Cassidy; Niall Loughlin, Shane McGuigan, Declan Cassidy.
Subs: Niall Toner for Conor Doherty inj. (35), Donnacha Gilmore for Declan Cassidy (50), Lachlan Murray for Loughlin (56), Eunan Mulholland for Paul Cassidy (65).
Other than Padraig McGrogan who will be missing for Derry this weekend?
I'd say Galway will be a lot stronger this week than they were then. Should be a tight game cute hoorism aside.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 16, 2024, 03:34:14 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on May 16, 2024, 03:05:47 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on May 16, 2024, 02:36:25 PMQuote from: lurganblue on May 16, 2024, 08:33:34 AMQuote from: armaghniac on May 15, 2024, 06:44:38 PMQuote from: Keyser soze on May 15, 2024, 01:53:39 PMNo version of Derry has ever beaten Galway in championship, you can be sure that will be a factor on saturday.
Janey, even Armagh has beaten Galway.
Derry wans trying their hand at the cute hoorism here? Sure Derry were in the big three talk with Dublin and Kerry not just a few weeks ago.
Conversation of the big three talk will be back on should Derry win this weekend. A win will put them in the box seat to top the group and then perhaps talking on a Mayo,Tyrone or Monaghan in the last eight tie that they'll be expected to win. Should Dublin play Kerry in one semi final you could be looking at All Ireland final spot for Derry yet.
If we beat Galway with a depleted side undoubtedly those conversations will happen in the media.
But if we get beaten in the manner we did against Donegal - regardless of team on the field, the talk will be of the wheels coming off in the media.
Fine lines between being top 3 and an also ran in the media sphere.
I'd love to win, but if we lose I'm more interested in a good performance as 2 bad ones in a row will do nothing for confidence.
You beat Galway in Salthill with this team by a bit to spare a few months ago.
Ryan Scullion; Diarmuid Baker, Chrissy McKaigue, Conor McCluskey; Conor Doherty, Eoin McEvoy, Padraig McGrogan; Conor Glass (captain), Brendan Rogers; Ethan Doherty, Ciarán McFaul, Paul Cassidy; Niall Loughlin, Shane McGuigan, Declan Cassidy.
Subs: Niall Toner for Conor Doherty inj. (35), Donnacha Gilmore for Declan Cassidy (50), Lachlan Murray for Loughlin (56), Eunan Mulholland for Paul Cassidy (65).
Other than Padraig McGrogan who will be missing for Derry this weekend?
That whole half back line
Quote from: Keyser soze on May 16, 2024, 03:21:02 PMQuote from: JoG2 on May 16, 2024, 02:21:28 PMQuote from: Keyser soze on May 16, 2024, 09:46:58 AMQuote from: lurganblue on May 16, 2024, 08:33:34 AMQuote from: armaghniac on May 15, 2024, 06:44:38 PMQuote from: Keyser soze on May 15, 2024, 01:53:39 PMNo version of Derry has ever beaten Galway in championship, you can be sure that will be a factor on saturday.
Janey, even Armagh has beaten Galway.
Derry wans trying their hand at the cute hoorism here? Sure Derry were in the big three talk with Dublin and Kerry not just a few weeks ago.
I would be more confident going to Kerry or Dublin and getting a result than I am about saturday due to our previous with Galway.
Out of those 3 Galway would be the 1 to choose on the road. This history v Galway will have no baring at all on Sat. I'd say at most 2 Derry players played in 2015 and will be involved on Sat. Pretty much all of them beat Galway in Salthill in March.
They bate us out the gate 2 years ago in AI SF in CP when most of this team were playing.
And a league result in March will have no bearing esp as Galway had so many out injured at that time.
PS I sincerely hope you are right.
This was much more defensive orientated Derry team in their 2nd year of development. The better team in the first half, beat by 5 after gifting Galway 6 points. Mayo v Donegal in 2013,now that was a team beat out the gate.
Again, playing Galway in Salthill, with this version of Derry will have much less a baring on this game than a potential injury crisis
Paul Conroy and Chrissy McKaigue from the 2007 Minor All Ireland final, serious commitment and years of service they have given to their counties.
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Quote from: JoG2 on May 16, 2024, 05:31:43 PMQuote from: Keyser soze on May 16, 2024, 03:21:02 PMQuote from: JoG2 on May 16, 2024, 02:21:28 PMQuote from: Keyser soze on May 16, 2024, 09:46:58 AMQuote from: lurganblue on May 16, 2024, 08:33:34 AMQuote from: armaghniac on May 15, 2024, 06:44:38 PMQuote from: Keyser soze on May 15, 2024, 01:53:39 PMNo version of Derry has ever beaten Galway in championship, you can be sure that will be a factor on saturday.
Janey, even Armagh has beaten Galway.
Derry wans trying their hand at the cute hoorism here? Sure Derry were in the big three talk with Dublin and Kerry not just a few weeks ago.
I would be more confident going to Kerry or Dublin and getting a result than I am about saturday due to our previous with Galway.
Out of those 3 Galway would be the 1 to choose on the road. This history v Galway will have no baring at all on Sat. I'd say at most 2 Derry players played in 2015 and will be involved on Sat. Pretty much all of them beat Galway in Salthill in March.
They bate us out the gate 2 years ago in AI SF in CP when most of this team were playing.
And a league result in March will have no bearing esp as Galway had so many out injured at that time.
PS I sincerely hope you are right.
This was much more defensive orientated Derry team in their 2nd year of development. The better team in the first half, beat by 5 after gifting Galway 6 points. Mayo v Donegal in 2013,now that was a team beat out the gate.
Again, playing Galway in Salthill, with this version of Derry will have much less a baring on this game than a potential injury crisis
Derry got a last minute goal to make the scoreboard respectable
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GNucpNJXIAE6HuI?format=jpg&name=large)
Just Padraig McGrogan that featured in the match against Galway in the league game not named on that Derry 26 and he's replaced by McKinless. A depleted side and potential injury crisis?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 16, 2024, 09:42:28 PMJust Padraig McGrogan that featured in the match against Galway in the league game not named on that Derry 26 and he's replaced by McKinless. A depleted side and potential injury crisis?
Rumour has it McEvoy isn't fit but maybe that's bullshit?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 16, 2024, 09:42:28 PMJust Padraig McGrogan that featured in the match against Galway in the league game not named on that Derry 26 and he's replaced by McKinless. A depleted side and potential injury crisis?
Loughlin and Murphy seem to be injured as well. 3 U20s named, our bench isn't just as strong as it seemed during the league.
I hope McEvoy is fit but Harte likes to name bullshit teams so we'll find out on Saturday evening!
It's not that changes to the Derry team I'd be thinking about from the league it's the changes to the Galway team.
Not many score getters on that Derry bench
You'd wonder what'd happen if Shane McGuigan ever got an injury
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 16, 2024, 09:42:28 PMJust Padraig McGrogan that featured in the match against Galway in the league game not named on that Derry 26 and he's replaced by McKinless. A depleted side and potential injury crisis?
Niall Loughlin is a huge loss from the 26. He's a very underrated forward. Always worth a couple of points and a massive work rate.
Quote from: lenny on May 16, 2024, 10:02:31 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on May 16, 2024, 09:42:28 PMJust Padraig McGrogan that featured in the match against Galway in the league game not named on that Derry 26 and he's replaced by McKinless. A depleted side and potential injury crisis?
Niall Loughlin is a huge loss from the 26. He's a very underrated forward. Always worth a couple of points and a massive work rate.
Agreed, really solid if unspectacular performer. Heavily under rated.
Quote from: screenexile on May 16, 2024, 09:47:58 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on May 16, 2024, 09:42:28 PMJust Padraig McGrogan that featured in the match against Galway in the league game not named on that Derry 26 and he's replaced by McKinless. A depleted side and potential injury crisis?
Loughlin and Murphy seem to be injured as well. 3 U20s named, our bench isn't just as strong as it seemed during the league.
I hope McEvoy is fit but Harte likes to name bullshit teams so we'll find out on Saturday evening!
Danny McDermott, Ruairi Forbes and who else? were they on the senior panel already this year or added to the panel since the U20 Ulster final defeat.
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 16, 2024, 10:23:56 PMQuote from: screenexile on May 16, 2024, 09:47:58 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on May 16, 2024, 09:42:28 PMJust Padraig McGrogan that featured in the match against Galway in the league game not named on that Derry 26 and he's replaced by McKinless. A depleted side and potential injury crisis?
Loughlin and Murphy seem to be injured as well. 3 U20s named, our bench isn't just as strong as it seemed during the league.
I hope McEvoy is fit but Harte likes to name bullshit teams so we'll find out on Saturday evening!
Danny McDermott, Ruairi Forbes and who else? were they on the senior panel already this year or added to the panel since the U20 Ulster final defeat.
Sorry you're right only 2 got Mark and Oisin Doherty mixed up!
McDermott some player but only 18, Some men dropped earlier in the year and should been kept. Some other lads left. Bench weak enough compared to, if they had the pick of all players in the county who could commit.That weakness probably cost us down the line. Forbes played a game in the McKenna Cup.
Quote from: NotedObserver on May 16, 2024, 07:08:37 PMQuote from: JoG2 on May 16, 2024, 05:31:43 PMQuote from: Keyser soze on May 16, 2024, 03:21:02 PMQuote from: JoG2 on May 16, 2024, 02:21:28 PMQuote from: Keyser soze on May 16, 2024, 09:46:58 AMQuote from: lurganblue on May 16, 2024, 08:33:34 AMQuote from: armaghniac on May 15, 2024, 06:44:38 PMQuote from: Keyser soze on May 15, 2024, 01:53:39 PMNo version of Derry has ever beaten Galway in championship, you can be sure that will be a factor on saturday.
Janey, even Armagh has beaten Galway.
Derry wans trying their hand at the cute hoorism here? Sure Derry were in the big three talk with Dublin and Kerry not just a few weeks ago.
I would be more confident going to Kerry or Dublin and getting a result than I am about saturday due to our previous with Galway.
Out of those 3 Galway would be the 1 to choose on the road. This history v Galway will have no baring at all on Sat. I'd say at most 2 Derry players played in 2015 and will be involved on Sat. Pretty much all of them beat Galway in Salthill in March.
They bate us out the gate 2 years ago in AI SF in CP when most of this team were playing.
And a league result in March will have no bearing esp as Galway had so many out injured at that time.
PS I sincerely hope you are right.
This was much more defensive orientated Derry team in their 2nd year of development. The better team in the first half, beat by 5 after gifting Galway 6 points. Mayo v Donegal in 2013,now that was a team beat out the gate.
Again, playing Galway in Salthill, with this version of Derry will have much less a baring on this game than a potential injury crisis
Derry got a last minute goal to make the scoreboard respectable
Galway got a point tagged on at a half time in ridiculous fashion, granted, the rules didn't cover the scenario, but I'll never forget the look of confusion and disbelief on Glass's face as the point was added.
That a referee in a field sport would retrospectively make a change without resetting the clock to the point in time when the incident occurred is beyond belief imo. In hindsight, we were probably better off missing out on that all Ireland final, it might have done more harm than good!
Paudi McGrogan - ACL, Season over.
Niall Loughlin got an opp this week, season over?
Eoin McEvoy out with hamstring injury.
Conor Doc out
Murphy not back on 26 yet, still injured.
Chrissy & Rogers were doubtful, but looks like they will play.
A few other rumours but nothing confirmed.
Matthew Downey, Jack Cassidy, Conleith McGuckain all left the panel in recent weeks.
After league Dan Higgins, Callum & Enda Downey, Conor McGrogan, Oisin McWIlliams & Ben McCarron were all cut off panel - before team holiday to Portugal.
2 u20's called up since their defeat. Ruairi Forbes & McDermott - Both straight onto the panel for tomorrows game.
That seems to be the lay of the land at the minute. Derry's panel getting thinner, after looking like t was bulking up earlier in the season. Another injury or 2 would seriously derail us, especially if it's to the likes of Rogers who is carrying a hamstring injury at the minute.
From the League Final panel where we were all getting optimistic about Derry's panel finally looking strong we will be missing 7 of the 26.
4 Starters - McEvoy, Doherty, McGrogan, Loughlin
3 Subs - Matthew Downey, Conleith McGuckain, Cormac Murphy.
Galway half forward line is definitely their weakest line, and another option (Cathal Sweeney) just dropped out through injury. So if the Derry injuries do arise, it's probably the area you'd be able to troubleshoot best
Who plays alongside McKinless in the event McEvoy and Doherty do indeed drop out? I assume they won't move Rodgers back on Comer again, leaving the task to McKaigue?
Quote from: Manning18 on May 17, 2024, 10:39:49 AMGalway half forward line is definitely their weakest line, and another option (Cathal Sweeney) just dropped out through injury. So if the Derry injuries do arise, it's probably the area you'd be able to troubleshoot best
Who plays alongside McKinless in the event McEvoy and Doherty do indeed drop out? I assume they won't move Rodgers back on Comer again, leaving the task to McKaigue?
Shea Downey, Gilmore, Eunan Mulholland would be the natural half backs on the bench. Declan Cassidy has been used in half forward but is a 'middle third' player so could be used. Emmett Bradley is the best player on the bench so if there's a re-jig they could try get him into the 15 if the likes of McFaul goes back into the half back line.
Both u20's can play half back, but it'd be a long shot they would be brought in for a start.
In short.....it's hard to know ;D ;D
Quote from: toby47 on May 17, 2024, 10:08:56 AMPaudi McGrogan - ACL, Season over.
Niall Loughlin got an opp this week, season over?
Eoin McEvoy out with hamstring injury.
Conor Doc out
Murphy not back on 26 yet, still injured.
Chrissy & Rogers were doubtful, but looks like they will play.
A few other rumours but nothing confirmed.
Matthew Downey, Jack Cassidy, Conleith McGuckain all left the panel in recent weeks.
After league Dan Higgins, Callum & Enda Downey, Conor McGrogan, Oisin McWIlliams & Ben McCarron were all cut off panel - before team holiday to Portugal.
2 u20's called up since their defeat. Ruairi Forbes & McDermott - Both straight onto the panel for tomorrows game.
That seems to be the lay of the land at the minute. Derry's panel getting thinner, after looking like t was bulking up earlier in the season. Another injury or 2 would seriously derail us, especially if it's to the likes of Rogers who is carrying a hamstring injury at the minute.
From the League Final panel where we were all getting optimistic about Derry's panel finally looking strong we will be missing 7 of the 26.
4 Starters - McEvoy, Doherty, McGrogan, Loughlin
3 Subs - Matthew Downey, Conleith McGuckain, Cormac Murphy.
Would it be a concern the number of players leaving panel mid season, seems to be alot especially given the number of injuries Derry have at moment?
Quote from: toby47 on May 17, 2024, 11:03:03 AMQuote from: Manning18 on May 17, 2024, 10:39:49 AMGalway half forward line is definitely their weakest line, and another option (Cathal Sweeney) just dropped out through injury. So if the Derry injuries do arise, it's probably the area you'd be able to troubleshoot best
Who plays alongside McKinless in the event McEvoy and Doherty do indeed drop out? I assume they won't move Rodgers back on Comer again, leaving the task to McKaigue?
Shea Downey, Gilmore, Eunan Mulholland would be the natural half backs on the bench. Declan Cassidy has been used in half forward but is a 'middle third' player so could be used. Emmett Bradley is the best player on the bench so if there's a re-jig they could try get him into the 15 if the likes of McFaul goes back into the half back line.
Both u20's can play half back, but it'd be a long shot they would be brought in for a start.
In short.....it's hard to know ;D ;D
Don't agree Bradley is the best county player on the bench, seen all our games and his contribution has been very poor. Cassidy a much better aggressive and powerful player, has contributed alot more in the games he has been involved.
Matthew Downey, Jack Cassidy, Conleith McGuckain all left the panel in recent weeks-they are no misses currently.
Its the four certs being injured thats has left us vulnerable.
Galway team apart from Tierney,McDaid that would likely be Galway's strongest 15.
Connor Gleeson
Johnny McGrath, Seán Fitzgerald, Jack Glynn
Dylan McHugh, John Daly, Liam Silke
Paul Conroy, Seán Kelly;
Johnny Heaney John Maher, Céin Darcy
Rob Finnerty, Damien Comer, Shane Walsh.
Subs: Conor Flaherty, Seán Ó Maolchiaráin, Eoghan Kelly, Daniel O'Flaherty, Cian Hernon, Patrick Egan, Kieran Molloy, Liam Ó Conghaile, Cillian Ó Curraoin, Matthew Tierney, Cillian McDaid.
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 17, 2024, 02:18:45 PMGalway team apart from Tierney,McDaid that would likely be Galway's strongest 15.
Connor Gleeson
Johnny McGrath, Seán Fitzgerald, Jack Glynn
Dylan McHugh, John Daly, Liam Silke
Paul Conroy, Seán Kelly;
Johnny Heaney John Maher, Céin Darcy
Rob Finnerty, Damien Comer, Shane Walsh.
Subs: Conor Flaherty, Seán Ó Maolchiaráin, Eoghan Kelly, Daniel O'Flaherty, Cian Hernon, Patrick Egan, Kieran Molloy, Liam Ó Conghaile, Cillian Ó Curraoin, Matthew Tierney, Cillian McDaid.
Think the bookies may have got this one wrong 6/4 Galway playing at home with all their main men coming back and good record v Derry, who for the first time in a couple of years their squad is being tested due to injuries should make for very interesting game.
Galway maybe by abit,if am hearing the Derry team likely lineout.
God I'd have had Derry as clear favourites... still haven't seen anything stand out from Galway for them to beat Derry this year
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 18, 2024, 03:04:25 PMGalway maybe by abit,if am hearing the Derry team likely lineout.
Go on.....
Quote from: p3427977 on May 18, 2024, 03:22:40 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on May 18, 2024, 03:04:25 PMGalway maybe by abit,if am hearing the Derry team likely lineout.
Go on.....
Loughlin and the h/b line, it's been mentioned in here by a few
Quote from: meathie on May 18, 2024, 03:10:27 PMGod I'd have had Derry as clear favourites... still haven't seen anything stand out from Galway for them to beat Derry this year
Throw the house on Derry
Quote from: JoG2 on May 18, 2024, 03:28:34 PMQuote from: p3427977 on May 18, 2024, 03:22:40 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on May 18, 2024, 03:04:25 PMGalway maybe by abit,if am hearing the Derry team likely lineout.
Go on.....
Loughlin and the h/b line, it's been mentioned in here by a few
Hearing McEvoy and Conor Doherty are out!
Quote from: toby47 on May 17, 2024, 10:08:56 AMPaudi McGrogan - ACL, Season over.
Niall Loughlin got an opp this week, season over?
Eoin McEvoy out with hamstring injury.
Conor Doc out
Murphy not back on 26 yet, still injured.
Chrissy & Rogers were doubtful, but looks like they will play.
A few other rumours but nothing confirmed.
Matthew Downey, Jack Cassidy, Conleith McGuckain all left the panel in recent weeks.
After league Dan Higgins, Callum & Enda Downey, Conor McGrogan, Oisin McWIlliams & Ben McCarron were all cut off panel - before team holiday to Portugal.
2 u20's called up since their defeat. Ruairi Forbes & McDermott - Both straight onto the panel for tomorrows game.
That seems to be the lay of the land at the minute. Derry's panel getting thinner, after looking like t was bulking up earlier in the season. Another injury or 2 would seriously derail us, especially if it's to the likes of Rogers who is carrying a hamstring injury at the minute.
From the League Final panel where we were all getting optimistic about Derry's panel finally looking strong we will be missing 7 of the 26.
4 Starters - McEvoy, Doherty, McGrogan, Loughlin
3 Subs - Matthew Downey, Conleith McGuckain, Cormac Murphy.
With no mcevoy or conor doherty will we even have 26 togged out?
McGurk has been called up from U20s as well apparently
One change for Galway. Matthew Tierney replaces Cein Darcy.
Two changes for Derry. Out go Conor Doherty and Eoin McEvoy. In come Emmett Bradley and Declan Cassidy
Quote from: screenexile on May 18, 2024, 04:56:06 PMMcGurk has been called up from U20s as well apparently
That 5 lads on the bench who havent played championship football?
Twas always gonna happen that happen that Derry got a few injuries, but that's quite the burst...
All inured at training not games, heavy training for that. We were in a better position after the league final
Doherty not togged at all.
McEvoy and Murphy togged and doing individual work.
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on May 18, 2024, 05:02:10 PMTwas always gonna happen that happen that Derry got a few injuries, but that's quite the burst...
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 18, 2024, 05:05:23 PMAll inured at training not games, heavy training for that. We were in a better position after the league final
And no injuries to the Glen players which was what all the early season fuss was about. Just bad luck.
Another ref falling for McGuigans dives.
Quote from: Mario on May 18, 2024, 05:17:04 PMQuote from: quit yo jibbajabba on May 18, 2024, 05:02:10 PMTwas always gonna happen that happen that Derry got a few injuries, but that's quite the burst...
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 18, 2024, 05:05:23 PMAll inured at training not games, heavy training for that. We were in a better position after the league final
And no injuries to the Glen players which was what all the early season fuss was about. Just bad luck.
The break between the Donegal game and today was very much needed for those players.
Low key stuff thus far between Galway and Derry 0-4 each. A red card for Derry.
McKinless red card for tackle on Comer . Stood on his Achilles heel per RTÉ.
Dirty McKinless. Definite red.
What a dirty trampish thing to do
Absolute madness from McKinless.
Jesus, what was he thinking there, dirty doing.
That was brutal, dirty action.
Dirty f**king tr**p
What was he thinking?
Ffs Derrys season continues to fall apart
What was he doing??!! It's not new but I thought he'd matured and stopped that auld shite!
Totally brainless
Gareth mcbrainless.
Feel free to use with credit 🤝
Team mates should be taking lumps out of players who get needlessly sent off like that.
Derry winless against Galway in the championship and will be thanks to McKinless today.
Derry shooting just like they did against us.
No penalty for Galway there?
Touched on the ground.
Half time Galway 0-8 Derry 0-6. Shades of Galway's round one group game last year when it was a 14 man Tyrone for more than half the game they faced.
Quote from: Rebel84 on May 18, 2024, 06:09:39 PMNo penalty for Galway there?
Touched on the ground.
Would've only been a free if given
Derry looking very rusty or just out of sorts. McKinless's idiocy could be the difference in the end.
We've actually played ok here.
The 5 balls dropped short and McKinless' red card have put a dampener on it though.
Before the red we looked up for it and had a good structure in place but with the squad so threadbare it's hard to see us pulling ahead in the second half.
When you think of all the hype about Harte and Derry after their league win.. very poor up front and predictable packed defence.
Such a stupid thing for mckinless to do. I didn't quite catch it in real time, but red for sure.
Derry really struggling.
Still look lethargic.
Must be 4 or 5 kicked short....that's a team short in confidence.
Really up against it now, 2 down, man down, so many injuries.
Quote from: Truthsayer on May 18, 2024, 06:13:11 PMWhen you think of all the hype about Harte and Derry after their league win.. very poor up front and predictable packed defence... Donegal II
Thought we were going to eke out another point before halftime which would've been brilliant given the red card.
The shots dropping short are killing us.
Hopefully reset at halftime. Think we can still get out of Salthill with something here.
Quote from: Truthsayer on May 18, 2024, 06:13:11 PMWhen you think of all the hype about Harte and Derry after their league win.. very poor up front and predictable packed defence.
Was telling any of my county men this who were getting ahead of themselves during the league, at the end of the day needed Penalties to beat Armagh, favourable quarter final draws against Cork and Clare only reason they made the last 2 semi finals and in the league this year only impressive win was against Kerry who were minus the Clifford's. Hartes decision making needs questioned
Quote from: Brendan on May 18, 2024, 06:17:38 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 18, 2024, 06:13:11 PMWhen you think of all the hype about Harte and Derry after their league win.. very poor up front and predictable packed defence.
Was telling any of my county men this who were getting ahead of themselves during the league, at the end of the day needed Penalties to beat Armagh, favourable quarter final draws against Cork and Clare only reason they made the last 2 semi finals and in the league this year only impressive win was against Kerry who were minus the Clifford's. Hartes decision making needs questioned
To be fair a lot is media but the reaction to winning the league was so ott... Mayo won it last year!
Quote from: Truthsayer on May 18, 2024, 06:13:11 PMWhen you think of all the hype about Harte and Derry after their league win.. very poor up front and predictable packed defence.
Half back line has been the key line for Derry over the last few years, they really drove the fast transition from defence to attack - entire line (and now sub) from the league final are missing.
Quote from: Brendan on May 18, 2024, 06:17:38 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 18, 2024, 06:13:11 PMWhen you think of all the hype about Harte and Derry after their league win.. very poor up front and predictable packed defence.
Was telling any of my county men this who were getting ahead of themselves during the league, at the end of the day needed Penalties to beat Armagh, favourable quarter final draws against Cork and Clare only reason they made the last 2 semi finals and in the league this year only impressive win was against Kerry who were minus the Clifford's. Hartes decision making needs questioned
Not Mickey Harte who is stamping on ankles .....
What's with the crowds on the pitch?
Daft act from McKinless but he has a nasty streak in him so its not totally out of character. They still have time to turn it around but it will take a big second half now playing away from home with 14 men. If they are defeated today Harte will be under big pressure considering the earlier Donegal performance.
Quote from: J70 on May 18, 2024, 06:21:40 PMWhat's with the crowds on the pitch?
What's wrong with it?
Quote from: screenexile on May 18, 2024, 05:57:12 PMWhat was he doing??!! It's not new but I thought he'd matured and stopped that auld shite!
Totally brainless
Maybe I'm imagining it but the discipline of the team seemed to be a feature of the Gallagher era, none of that sort of shite was tolerated, it seems to be fading more recently?
Quote from: tyroneman on May 18, 2024, 06:21:03 PMQuote from: Brendan on May 18, 2024, 06:17:38 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 18, 2024, 06:13:11 PMWhen you think of all the hype about Harte and Derry after their league win.. very poor up front and predictable packed defence.
Was telling any of my county men this who were getting ahead of themselves during the league, at the end of the day needed Penalties to beat Armagh, favourable quarter final draws against Cork and Clare only reason they made the last 2 semi finals and in the league this year only impressive win was against Kerry who were minus the Clifford's. Hartes decision making needs questioned
Not Mickey Harte who is stamping on ankles .....
Hartes training regime that has seen our whole half back line injured when they hadn't a game for a month
Goalkeeper...
Sean Kelly goal for Galway. Comer off
Derry love a dive
Galway 1-10 Derry 0-9 with 50 minutes played
Ill discipline from Derry killing them.
Quote from: Brendan on May 18, 2024, 06:24:40 PMQuote from: tyroneman on May 18, 2024, 06:21:03 PMQuote from: Brendan on May 18, 2024, 06:17:38 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 18, 2024, 06:13:11 PMWhen you think of all the hype about Harte and Derry after their league win.. very poor up front and predictable packed defence.
Was telling any of my county men this who were getting ahead of themselves during the league, at the end of the day needed Penalties to beat Armagh, favourable quarter final draws against Cork and Clare only reason they made the last 2 semi finals and in the league this year only impressive win was against Kerry who were minus the Clifford's. Hartes decision making needs questioned
Not Mickey Harte who is stamping on ankles .....
Hartes training regime that has seen our whole half back line injured when they hadn't a game for a month
Mickey lived off a great tyrone side. Anyone who days mickey is a great tactical manager needs their head examined. Look at the last number of years with tyrone. Unreal that derry think mickey is the missing link after winning his last AI 16 years ago
In fairness Harte did a super job with Louth.
Going to ship a beating here Derry. Even with comer off. They just don't have the depth and a man down doesn't help.
Quote from: yellowcard on May 18, 2024, 06:43:32 PMIll discipline from Derry killing them.
They are getting away with it. There should have been 2 black cards for derry but ref playing advantage. Thought the ref could still give a card after playing advantage ?
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 18, 2024, 06:47:15 PMQuote from: yellowcard on May 18, 2024, 06:43:32 PMIll discipline from Derry killing them.
They are getting away with it. There should have been 2 black cards for derry but ref playing advantage. Thought the ref could still give a card after playing advantage ?
Only a yellow I thought? Not black or red? Maybe I'm wrong
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 18, 2024, 06:46:30 PMIn fairness Harte did a super job with Louth.
He did a good job but it was zero risk. They were a division 4 team, couldn't get any lower. Harte can team a team and make them better but isn't the man to take them to the top
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 18, 2024, 06:46:30 PMIn fairness Harte did a super job with Louth.
Considering Louths performance against Dublin last week.. ?
I like him and think some Tyrone ones too harsh on him but Louth vs Dublin last week and last year was night and day. It did make me wonder a bit. Donegal Derry game likewise.
1-13 to 0-11
Quote from: Truthsayer on May 18, 2024, 06:50:41 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on May 18, 2024, 06:46:30 PMIn fairness Harte did a super job with Louth.
Considering Louths performance against Dublin last week.. ?
They were div 4 when he took over. Would they have done as well against Dublin or even got to a Leinster final without the work Harte put in?
Galway suffering a few injuries here!
Goal for Galway they lead 2-13 to 0-13.
Ref giving derry some amount of leeway
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 18, 2024, 06:52:28 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 18, 2024, 06:50:41 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on May 18, 2024, 06:46:30 PMIn fairness Harte did a super job with Louth.
Considering Louths performance against Dublin last week.. ?
They were div 4 when he took over. Would they have done as well against Dublin or even got to a Leinster final without the work Harte put in?
That's what was said bout Tyrone win All Ireland in 2021 : ).. by a few
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 18, 2024, 06:57:17 PMGoal for Galway they lead 2-13 to 0-13.
If Derry had taken their point, or not hit the ball at the goalie, then the gap would have been 2.
This would have suited me, as my bet was Galway 1-3 points.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 18, 2024, 06:49:10 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on May 18, 2024, 06:47:15 PMQuote from: yellowcard on May 18, 2024, 06:43:32 PMIll discipline from Derry killing them.
They are getting away with it. There should have been 2 black cards for derry but ref playing advantage. Thought the ref could still give a card after playing advantage ?
Only a yellow I thought? Not black or red? Maybe I'm wrong
Not sure to be honest. Would have thought if they could give a card it shouldn't matter on the colour
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 18, 2024, 06:57:33 PMRef giving derry some amount of leeway
You'll need to elaborate.. I've watched 15 minutes there and not seeing what you are
Likewise. Though McFaul should have been booked but that aside.
I think we battled manfully down to 14 against a decent team for 65 minutes. Galway haven't set the world on fire with this performance against 14 either and suffered a few injuries.
Armagh match is crucial now to get a home game in the preliminary QF. We definitely need McEvoy and CD back for it!
Question is how long will mckinless be suspended for. The above is assuming you beat Westmeath...
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 18, 2024, 06:52:28 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 18, 2024, 06:50:41 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on May 18, 2024, 06:46:30 PMIn fairness Harte did a super job with Louth.
Considering Louths performance against Dublin last week.. ?
They were div 4 when he took over. Would they have done as well against Dublin or even got to a Leinster final without the work Harte put in?
No is the short answer. Tyrone heads trying to belittle what Harte has done in his management career especially with Tyrone is mildly amusing and now bitter that he's managing Derry.
I thought Derry had a bit of an inferiority complex before the game with all the talk of a Galway jinx which proved to be true.
It will be interesting to see if Mickey Harte faces up to the media this time after this defeat. There are more questions than answers over Derrys AI chances after the last 2 defeats.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 18, 2024, 07:00:36 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on May 18, 2024, 06:57:33 PMRef giving derry some amount of leeway
You'll need to elaborate.. I've watched 15 minutes there and not seeing what you are
There was 2 times the derry player both arms around a galway lad and pulled him round, both given as free outs to derry. 2 trips during advantages with no cards given.
Disappointing game but I'm not too disheartened by the performance. It feels like everything that could go wrong did for Derry. Injuries during the 4 week break, stupid red card, gift of a goal. McGuigan takes his point Galway don't get a goal on counter. If our luck turns a bit we can still turn things around this season.
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 18, 2024, 07:07:29 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on May 18, 2024, 07:00:36 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on May 18, 2024, 06:57:33 PMRef giving derry some amount of leeway
You'll need to elaborate.. I've watched 15 minutes there and not seeing what you are
There was 2 times the derry player both arms around a galway lad and pulled him round, both given as free outs to derry. 2 trips during advantages with no cards given.
What?? Where?? Were we watching the same game?!
FT Galway 2-14 Derry 0-15. Galway unbeaten championship record goes on against Derry and in a good position to top the group now. As for Derry they'll look back on what might have been if they weren't down to 14 men from the 22nd minute.
According to Máirtín Beag this is the first time in 6 years that Derry have lost 2 games in a row.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 18, 2024, 07:06:42 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on May 18, 2024, 06:52:28 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 18, 2024, 06:50:41 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on May 18, 2024, 06:46:30 PMIn fairness Harte did a super job with Louth.
Considering Louths performance against Dublin last week.. ?
They were div 4 when he took over. Would they have done as well against Dublin or even got to a Leinster final without the work Harte put in?
No is the short answer. Tyrone heads trying to belittle what Harte has done in his management career especially with Tyrone is mildly amusing and now bitter that he's managing Derry.
What has mickey done since 2008? Hasn't beaten mayo,kerry or dublin in 16 years of championship football. I said years ago he should have left tyrone. These are facts.
Quote from: screenexile on May 18, 2024, 07:09:05 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on May 18, 2024, 07:07:29 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on May 18, 2024, 07:00:36 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on May 18, 2024, 06:57:33 PMRef giving derry some amount of leeway
You'll need to elaborate.. I've watched 15 minutes there and not seeing what you are
There was 2 times the derry player both arms around a galway lad and pulled him round, both given as free outs to derry. 2 trips during advantages with no cards given.
What?? Where?? Were we watching the same game?!
Ah come on now. They got some handy free outs along.
In all seriousness, will Derry get out of this group?
Complete collapse in a year, and its not just the defeats, its the manner of them... a team on the other side of their peak.
Quote from: seafoid on May 18, 2024, 07:10:32 PMAccording to Máirtín Beag this is the first time in 6 years that Derry have lost 2 games in a row.
Hopefully, they'll do the hat trick.
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 18, 2024, 07:12:22 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on May 18, 2024, 07:06:42 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on May 18, 2024, 06:52:28 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 18, 2024, 06:50:41 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on May 18, 2024, 06:46:30 PMIn fairness Harte did a super job with Louth.
Considering Louths performance against Dublin last week.. ?
They were div 4 when he took over. Would they have done as well against Dublin or even got to a Leinster final without the work Harte put in?
No is the short answer. Tyrone heads trying to belittle what Harte has done in his management career especially with Tyrone is mildly amusing and now bitter that he's managing Derry.
What has mickey done since 2008? Hasn't beaten mayo,kerry or dublin in 16 years of championship football. I said years ago he should have left tyrone. These are facts.
Tyrone could well be on zero senior All Ireland titles right now but for what Harte did. Even the last covid All Ireland won in 2021 it was a Tyrone side built by Mickey Harte. True facts is some of you Tyrone heads are very ungrateful.
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 18, 2024, 07:14:15 PMIn all seriousness, will Derry get out of this group?
Complete collapse in a year, and its not just the defeats, its the manner of them... a team on the other side of their peak.
They've only got about 2 players over 30
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 18, 2024, 07:17:29 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on May 18, 2024, 07:12:22 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on May 18, 2024, 07:06:42 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on May 18, 2024, 06:52:28 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 18, 2024, 06:50:41 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on May 18, 2024, 06:46:30 PMIn fairness Harte did a super job with Louth.
Considering Louths performance against Dublin last week.. ?
They were div 4 when he took over. Would they have done as well against Dublin or even got to a Leinster final without the work Harte put in?
No is the short answer. Tyrone heads trying to belittle what Harte has done in his management career especially with Tyrone is mildly amusing and now bitter that he's managing Derry.
What has mickey done since 2008? Hasn't beaten mayo,kerry or dublin in 16 years of championship football. I said years ago he should have left tyrone. These are facts.
Tyrone could well be on zero senior All Ireland titles right now but for what Harte did. Even the last covid All Ireland won in 2021 it was a Tyrone side built by Mickey Harte. True facts is some of you Tyrone heads are very ungrateful.
As was said should have stepped away bout 2010. Hasn't kept up with more modern coaches. If he was there in 2021 would have been no Sam in Tyrone #supitup
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 18, 2024, 07:14:15 PMIn all seriousness, will Derry get out of this group?
Complete collapse in a year, and its not just the defeats, its the manner of them... a team on the other side of their peak.
Hopefully we get Tyrone in the preliminary QF and we can revisit this conversation!
Derry were ok to they went to Portugal, draw your own conclusions
Quote from: screenexile on May 18, 2024, 07:21:01 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on May 18, 2024, 07:14:15 PMIn all seriousness, will Derry get out of this group?
Complete collapse in a year, and its not just the defeats, its the manner of them... a team on the other side of their peak.
Hopefully we get Tyrone in the preliminary QF and we can revisit this conversation!
Thought All Ireland title was the plan :D
Quote from: screenexile on May 18, 2024, 07:21:01 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on May 18, 2024, 07:14:15 PMIn all seriousness, will Derry get out of this group?
Complete collapse in a year, and its not just the defeats, its the manner of them... a team on the other side of their peak.
Hopefully we get Tyrone in the preliminary QF and we can revisit this conversation!
Come in Agent Red Hand, mission accomplished! ;)
Derry never beaten Galway often, i said earlier in the week Derry would lose, today no surprise. Getting a man send off after 20 odd mins meant u always be on a hammering to nothing
Derry getting injuries that they've avoided for a couple of years. They need some back to beat Armagh
Comers ankle is the big worry going forward.
He had a bad ankle injury a few years back that took him a long time to recover from.
It was a dirty dirty act.
Against 14 men or not - it was a decent performer from our lads.
Harte must have been a different match... those comments : 0
Rumour was there a man hasn't trained in 2 weeks and another sick all week playing, if thats the case. Derry not strong enough on the bench
Mickey now accusing Comer of theatrics, Derry aren't helping themselves today he would have been just better saying he didn't see it.
That is virtually the end of Derry's season. Finishing 2nd or 3rd is a disaster in the group stage. The system is set up to punish teams finishing in this position by not giving them enough time to recover to play the teams who finish top of the groups.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 18, 2024, 07:31:01 PMRumour was there a man hasn't trained in 2 weeks and another sick all week playing, if thats the case. Derry not strong enough on the bench
Who's that? Heard mccloskey and Rodger's were doubts
Very poor from Derry, sending off aside. So flat.
First half us where the game was lost, too many dropped short.
Too many of derrys star players were nowhere to be seen, glass didn't seem interested.
We were chasing the game, lachlan Murray just scored 3 I think, made a score saving tackle and Harte takes him off. Can't see the logic in that.
Galway were good. Should rightly leapfrog derry in the AI rankings and must be in that top 3 tier now.
Didn't listen to the commentary after the game but there can be no defending mckinless.
However, I did think in general galway got their frees easier than us.
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 18, 2024, 07:41:04 PMVery poor from Derry, sending off aside. So flat.
First half us where the game was lost, too many dropped short.
Too many of derrys star players were nowhere to be seen, glass didn't seem interested.
We were chasing the game, lachlan Murray just scored 3 I think, made a score saving tackle and Harte takes him off. Can't see the logic in that.
Galway were good. Should rightly leapfrog derry in the AI rankings and must be in that top 3 tier now.
Didn't listen to the commentary after the game but there can be no defending mckinless.
However, I did think in general galway got their frees easier than us.
I'm trying to take my Galway hat off here (not easy of course) but I honestly didn't feel that we were getting frees easier.
In terms of scores from frees I'm not sure how many we ended up with but when we had 1-12 on the board only two of those were frees.
I can think of two off the top of my head tap over frees Derry got that were never frees (to me anyway).
McGuigan wins a high ball in first half & doesn't call a mark. He gets shepherded and throws himself down and gets a free.
One in second half (I think number 10) who runs into 2-3 Galway defenders and gets a very soft free.
Anyhow I'm only picking them as examples. The red card changed the game.
Who knows what would have happened if it didn't happen. It was going to be tight regardless
Quote from: Brendan on May 18, 2024, 06:24:40 PMQuote from: tyroneman on May 18, 2024, 06:21:03 PMQuote from: Brendan on May 18, 2024, 06:17:38 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 18, 2024, 06:13:11 PMWhen you think of all the hype about Harte and Derry after their league win.. very poor up front and predictable packed defence.
Was telling any of my county men this who were getting ahead of themselves during the league, at the end of the day needed Penalties to beat Armagh, favourable quarter final draws against Cork and Clare only reason they made the last 2 semi finals and in the league this year only impressive win was against Kerry who were minus the Clifford's. Hartes decision making needs questioned
Not Mickey Harte who is stamping on ankles .....
Hartes training regime that has seen our whole half back line injured when they hadn't a game for a month
Explain how it's Harte's training? CD got injured in Salthill in the league and hasn't recovered. Paudi's was very innocuous. Our half back line training differently to say the half forward line?
Need McEvoy and CD back ASAP. Glass wasn't at himself either by the looks of it. 5 in it at the end, with men out, and down to 14, after 20mins,it was huge mission to get out of Pearce with anything. 6 point swing with Shane's effort straight at the keeper. First half shooting was v disappointing.
Be very interesting to see how the squad looks in 2 weeks time
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 18, 2024, 07:41:04 PMVery poor from Derry, sending off aside. So flat.
First half us where the game was lost, too many dropped short.
Too many of derrys star players were nowhere to be seen, glass didn't seem interested.
We were chasing the game, lachlan Murray just scored 3 I think, made a score saving tackle and Harte takes him off. Can't see the logic in that.
Galway were good. Should rightly leapfrog derry in the AI rankings and must be in that top 3 tier now.
Didn't listen to the commentary after the game but there can be no defending mckinless.
However, I did think in general galway got their frees easier than us.
He was out on his feet for about 5 mins before going off.. Put in a huge shift, especially in the first half tbrick
McKindless, you think of all the effort that goes in from so many people, and then someone does something as daft as that to derail todays challenge...
Lachlan Murray one of a few at the pitch of it. McGuigan diving is ridiculous and doesn't need to do it. Galway not at their best and will improve once returning players get game time
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 18, 2024, 07:34:32 PMThat is virtually the end of Derry's season. Finishing 2nd or 3rd is a disaster in the group stage. The system is set up to punish teams finishing in this position by not giving them enough time to recover to play the teams who finish top of the groups.
I dont see that yet ,
Kerry lost their first game last year and yet got back on track , Good thing about being in a hard group is that every game will be competitive. Armagh v Galway ,Derry V Armagh both huge games , And going on last year Westmeath could also cause an upset ,
Thought Hartes comments after the game were a disgrace. Said he didn't see mckinless incident , but then proceeded to accuse Comer of making a meal of it and theatrics.
It was as blatant a red card as seen at a game & it more or less ended Comers involvement in the game. McKinless deserves a lengthy ban for it
Quote from: sam03/05 on May 18, 2024, 08:03:08 PMThought Hartes comments after the game were a disgrace. Said he didn't see mckinless incident , but then proceeded to accuse Comer of making a meal of it and theatrics.
It was as blatant a red card as seen at a game & it more or less ended Comers involvement in the game. McKinless deserves a lengthy ban for it
Agree 100per cent, can't believe he wasn't pulled on it
Paul Devlin was handed an iPad last week after McHughs red card
Harte lost it completely though, roaring and swearing on the sideline was never a trait of his til now.
Quote from: sam03/05 on May 18, 2024, 08:03:08 PMThought Hartes comments after the game were a disgrace. Said he didn't see mckinless incident , but then proceeded to accuse Comer of making a meal of it and theatrics.
It was as blatant a red card as seen at a game & it more or less ended Comers involvement in the game. McKinless deserves a lengthy ban for it
TG4 showed Paul Devlin a video of McHughs red card in the U20s last week straight after the game. GAA GO should have done the same to Harte and see if he still came out with that dung.
Quote from: sam03/05 on May 18, 2024, 08:03:08 PMThought Hartes comments after the game were a disgrace. Said he didn't see mckinless incident , but then proceeded to accuse Comer of making a meal of it and theatrics.
It was as blatant a red card as seen at a game & it more or less ended Comers involvement in the game. McKinless deserves a lengthy ban for it
Comer 100% made a meal of the initial free obviously not of the stamp.
I didn't see the stamp at first and I'm sure Harte hadn't seen footage by the time he was interviewed either!
Wouldn't need to be a lip reader to figure out Mickey's f***ing on the sideline... under pressure. Interview was awful, totally belligerent.
A second consecutive reality check for us. Not realistic contenders, especially with the current management.
Two stamping incidents this year with a Derry team coached by Gavin Devlin. Coincidence?
Harte's success with Louth vastly overstated; Baker took Antrim from div 4 to div 2 and to an ulster final. Would any Derryman want him at the helm?
Not the first time a Derry player has done this. I recall that Rodgers stamped on someone recently too, no call for it. Trampish stuff.
Galway deserved the victory, but I was happy enough with the fighting performance from 14 men for 50 plus minutes.
Def dont agree that we were flat or that our big players didn't perform.
We fought our way back into the game twice from bad positions only to give away 2 goals at worst possible time. First goal terrible one to give away. Shooting in first half cost us 5 or 6 comparatively easy points.
We were probably lucky to finish with 14, very poor discipline from some of our more experienced players which was probably most disappointing aspect of the performance for me.
Quote from: screenexile on May 18, 2024, 08:15:51 PMQuote from: sam03/05 on May 18, 2024, 08:03:08 PMThought Hartes comments after the game were a disgrace. Said he didn't see mckinless incident , but then proceeded to accuse Comer of making a meal of it and theatrics.
It was as blatant a red card as seen at a game & it more or less ended Comers involvement in the game. McKinless deserves a lengthy ban for it
Comer 100% made a meal of the initial free obviously not of the stamp.
I didn't see the stamp at first and I'm sure Harte hadn't seen footage by the time he was interviewed either!
Probably not but it was as clear as f**king day that the ankle was injured after it. He was hobbling around the place and came off early as a direct result of it.
So that's just bullshit from
Harte.
I hope yaht doesn't turn into another long term ankle problem now
Quote from: galwayman on May 18, 2024, 08:44:26 PMQuote from: screenexile on May 18, 2024, 08:15:51 PMQuote from: sam03/05 on May 18, 2024, 08:03:08 PMThought Hartes comments after the game were a disgrace. Said he didn't see mckinless incident , but then proceeded to accuse Comer of making a meal of it and theatrics.
It was as blatant a red card as seen at a game & it more or less ended Comers involvement in the game. McKinless deserves a lengthy ban for it
Comer 100% made a meal of the initial free obviously not of the stamp.
I didn't see the stamp at first and I'm sure Harte hadn't seen footage by the time he was interviewed either!
Probably not but it was as clear as f**king day that the ankle was injured after it. He was hobbling around the place and came off early as a direct result of it.
So that's just bullshit from
Harte.
I hope yaht doesn't turn into another long term ankle problem now
All harte quoted was that the initial contact was no foul plus he didn't see the stamp so he didn't say it wasn't a red card he just quoted he didn't see it👍
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on May 18, 2024, 08:37:01 PMA second consecutive reality check for us. Not realistic contenders, especially with the current management.
Two stamping incidents this year with a Derry team coached by Gavin Devlin. Coincidence?
Harte's success with Louth vastly overstated; Baker took Antrim from div 4 to div 2 and to an ulster final. Would any Derryman want him at the helm?
It's not current management, it was the injury list and playing 3/4 game with 14 men. Complete half back line gone, Loughlin, and McKindless off, couple of men ill during the week, and McGuigan's shot goes in with 7 to go it's a level game. That's to be applauded. Full compliment and we're absolutely contenders.
Tyrone men have so little to chat about these days a Derry loss is their victory! ;D
Quote from: JoG2 on May 18, 2024, 09:07:31 PMQuote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on May 18, 2024, 08:37:01 PMA second consecutive reality check for us. Not realistic contenders, especially with the current management.
Two stamping incidents this year with a Derry team coached by Gavin Devlin. Coincidence?
Harte's success with Louth vastly overstated; Baker took Antrim from div 4 to div 2 and to an ulster final. Would any Derryman want him at the helm?
It's not current management, it was the injury list and playing 3/4 game with 14 men. Complete half back line gone, Loughlin, and McKindless off, couple of men ill during the week, and McGuigan's shot goes in with 7 to go it's a level game. That's to be applauded. Full compliment and we're absolutely contenders.
Tyrone men have so little to chat about these days a Derry loss is their victory! ;D
You better believe it! This team was going to win Sam! Time to show its not all big talk!
Quote from: Truthsayer on May 18, 2024, 09:11:58 PMQuote from: JoG2 on May 18, 2024, 09:07:31 PMQuote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on May 18, 2024, 08:37:01 PMA second consecutive reality check for us. Not realistic contenders, especially with the current management.
Two stamping incidents this year with a Derry team coached by Gavin Devlin. Coincidence?
Harte's success with Louth vastly overstated; Baker took Antrim from div 4 to div 2 and to an ulster final. Would any Derryman want him at the helm?
It's not current management, it was the injury list and playing 3/4 game with 14 men. Complete half back line gone, Loughlin, and McKindless off, couple of men ill during the week, and McGuigan's shot goes in with 7 to go it's a level game. That's to be applauded. Full compliment and we're absolutely contenders.
Tyrone men have so little to chat about these days a Derry loss is their victory! ;D
You better believe it! This team was going to win Sam! Time to show its not all big talk!
If you say so, for you are the sayer of truth. Enjoy that sweet victory
Yes nothing to chat about
Just playing in a 2nd All Ireland u20 final in three years tomorrow
Tyrone men have so little to chat about these days a Derry loss is their victory! ;D
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Quote from: SouthDublinBro on May 18, 2024, 08:38:08 PMNot the first time a Derry player has done this. I recall that Rodgers stamped on someone recently too, no call for it. Trampish stuff.
yes we love stamping on people, it's a fetish of ours. What debauchery is your county in to?
Quote from: Truthsayer on May 18, 2024, 09:11:58 PMQuote from: JoG2 on May 18, 2024, 09:07:31 PMQuote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on May 18, 2024, 08:37:01 PMA second consecutive reality check for us. Not realistic contenders, especially with the current management.
Two stamping incidents this year with a Derry team coached by Gavin Devlin. Coincidence?
Harte's success with Louth vastly overstated; Baker took Antrim from div 4 to div 2 and to an ulster final. Would any Derryman want him at the helm?
It's not current management, it was the injury list and playing 3/4 game with 14 men. Complete half back line gone, Loughlin, and McKindless off, couple of men ill during the week, and McGuigan's shot goes in with 7 to go it's a level game. That's to be applauded. Full compliment and we're absolutely contenders.
Tyrone men have so little to chat about these days a Derry loss is their victory! ;D
You better believe it! This team was going to win Sam! Time to show its not all big talk!
There is nowhere ... anywhere that anybody from Derry said we were gonna win Sam!!
Quote from: screenexile on May 18, 2024, 09:22:04 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 18, 2024, 09:11:58 PMQuote from: JoG2 on May 18, 2024, 09:07:31 PMQuote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on May 18, 2024, 08:37:01 PMA second consecutive reality check for us. Not realistic contenders, especially with the current management.
Two stamping incidents this year with a Derry team coached by Gavin Devlin. Coincidence?
Harte's success with Louth vastly overstated; Baker took Antrim from div 4 to div 2 and to an ulster final. Would any Derryman want him at the helm?
It's not current management, it was the injury list and playing 3/4 game with 14 men. Complete half back line gone, Loughlin, and McKindless off, couple of men ill during the week, and McGuigan's shot goes in with 7 to go it's a level game. That's to be applauded. Full compliment and we're absolutely contenders.
Tyrone men have so little to chat about these days a Derry loss is their victory! ;D
You better believe it! This team was going to win Sam! Time to show its not all big talk!
There is nowhere ... anywhere that anybody from Derry said we were gonna win Sam!!
Really? Was hype everywhere.. won the league and it totally took off
https://www.gaa.ie/article/mcgrogan-hopes-humble-derry-are-ready-to-bounce-back
Is there any chance the hype that built rapidly after their League success played a part in their provincial exit?
"Well, you'd be daft to say you don't hear the hype," says Derry defender Padraig McGrogan.
Quote from: Truthsayer on May 18, 2024, 09:30:49 PMQuote from: screenexile on May 18, 2024, 09:22:04 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 18, 2024, 09:11:58 PMQuote from: JoG2 on May 18, 2024, 09:07:31 PMQuote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on May 18, 2024, 08:37:01 PMA second consecutive reality check for us. Not realistic contenders, especially with the current management.
Two stamping incidents this year with a Derry team coached by Gavin Devlin. Coincidence?
Harte's success with Louth vastly overstated; Baker took Antrim from div 4 to div 2 and to an ulster final. Would any Derryman want him at the helm?
It's not current management, it was the injury list and playing 3/4 game with 14 men. Complete half back line gone, Loughlin, and McKindless off, couple of men ill during the week, and McGuigan's shot goes in with 7 to go it's a level game. That's to be applauded. Full compliment and we're absolutely contenders.
Tyrone men have so little to chat about these days a Derry loss is their victory! ;D
You better believe it! This team was going to win Sam! Time to show its not all big talk!
There is nowhere ... anywhere that anybody from Derry said we were gonna win Sam!!
Really? Was hype everywhere.. won the league and it totally took off
https://www.gaa.ie/article/mcgrogan-hopes-humble-derry-are-ready-to-bounce-back
Is there any chance the hype that built rapidly after their League success played a part in their provincial exit?
"Well, you'd be daft to say you don't hear the hype," says Derry defender Padraig McGrogan.
It's been a 5 year journey and they've continually improved every year culminating in back to back Ulsters and last year's semi final performance. The hype wasn't just from the league victory. This is their first dip but they can still recover from it.
Quote from: Mario on May 18, 2024, 09:49:01 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 18, 2024, 09:30:49 PMQuote from: screenexile on May 18, 2024, 09:22:04 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 18, 2024, 09:11:58 PMQuote from: JoG2 on May 18, 2024, 09:07:31 PMQuote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on May 18, 2024, 08:37:01 PMA second consecutive reality check for us. Not realistic contenders, especially with the current management.
Two stamping incidents this year with a Derry team coached by Gavin Devlin. Coincidence?
Harte's success with Louth vastly overstated; Baker took Antrim from div 4 to div 2 and to an ulster final. Would any Derryman want him at the helm?
It's not current management, it was the injury list and playing 3/4 game with 14 men. Complete half back line gone, Loughlin, and McKindless off, couple of men ill during the week, and McGuigan's shot goes in with 7 to go it's a level game. That's to be applauded. Full compliment and we're absolutely contenders.
Tyrone men have so little to chat about these days a Derry loss is their victory! ;D
You better believe it! This team was going to win Sam! Time to show its not all big talk!
There is nowhere ... anywhere that anybody from Derry said we were gonna win Sam!!
Really? Was hype everywhere.. won the league and it totally took off
https://www.gaa.ie/article/mcgrogan-hopes-humble-derry-are-ready-to-bounce-back
Is there any chance the hype that built rapidly after their League success played a part in their provincial exit?
"Well, you'd be daft to say you don't hear the hype," says Derry defender Padraig McGrogan.
It's been a 5 year journey and they've continually improved every year culminating in back to back Ulsters and last year's semi final performance. The hype wasn't just from the league victory. This is their first dip but they can still recover from it.
Second dip... #Jimmy
Quote from: screenexile on May 18, 2024, 08:15:51 PMQuote from: sam03/05 on May 18, 2024, 08:03:08 PMThought Hartes comments after the game were a disgrace. Said he didn't see mckinless incident , but then proceeded to accuse Comer of making a meal of it and theatrics.
It was as blatant a red card as seen at a game & it more or less ended Comers involvement in the game. McKinless deserves a lengthy ban for it
Comer 100% made a meal of the initial free obviously not of the stamp.
I didn't see the stamp at first and I'm sure Harte hadn't seen footage by the time he was interviewed either!
Are you serious? It took him out of the game. He hobbled around for 10 mins, took a painkilling injection at half time and went off because he couldn't move soon after. It might've derailed his season
Scandalous comments from Harte really
Too many people are taking the red card as if it's an isolated result. "changed the game", or "Derry performed well with 14"
It took Galway's best player out of the game. If you offered Joyce the option of keeping Comer fit and in the game and leaving Derry with 15 players I'm fairly sure he'd have taken it
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on May 18, 2024, 08:38:08 PMNot the first time a Derry player has done this. I recall that Rodgers stamped on someone recently too, no call for it. Trampish stuff.
True, the discipline has slipped badly this year under the tyrone management. Mckinless let his team down today, very disappointing. Genuinely hope Comer recovers from the ankle injury and it doesn't impact on his involvement for the rest of the season.
Silly, but not unexpected behaviour from Mc Kinless. Let his team mates down badly. Derry needed to start the game well and stay in the game but in reality, the game was over with the deserved red card.
Previous to that, Derry's shooting was brutal. How many did they kick into the keeper's hands? It's shocking at that level. Do they not do shooting at training? - doesn't look like it from today's show.
No Derry goals today and never really created any good chances. Derry scored goals for fun during league. That threat seems, for whatever reason, to be gone currently.
Since the league final, Derry's momentum has tailed away significantly. After the long break, I'd expect them to be bursting the doors down to rectify the Donegal performance but I'd be really disappointed. They looked very average and disjointed.
Obviously a few players were injured but lack of championship experience on the bench was telling. The panel must be very light.
Why were so many let go and why were U20's brought in?
When's the last time, a team 14 men actually won a game? Derry have had a issue from 2 weeks before the Donegal game, then injuries, and men leaving make it worse. On that game I be worried Armagh turn them over fairly easy.
Quote from: sam03/05 on May 18, 2024, 08:03:08 PMThought Hartes comments after the game were a disgrace. Said he didn't see mckinless incident , but then proceeded to accuse Comer of making a meal of it and theatrics.
It was as blatant a red card as seen at a game & it more or less ended Comers involvement in the game. McKinless deserves a lengthy ban for it
Didn't Gavin Devlin get 3 months for similar back in the day?
Quote from: lenny on May 18, 2024, 10:33:54 PMQuote from: SouthDublinBro on May 18, 2024, 08:38:08 PMNot the first time a Derry player has done this. I recall that Rodgers stamped on someone recently too, no call for it. Trampish stuff.
True, the discipline has slipped badly this year under the tyrone management. Mckinless let his team down today, very disappointing. Genuinely hope Comer recovers from the ankle injury and it doesn't impact on his involvement for the rest of the season.
"The Tyrone management"!!
Boys a dear they really are turning on them up there.
Quote from: marty34 on May 18, 2024, 11:04:05 PMSilly, but not unexpected behaviour from Mc Kinless. Let his team mates down badly. Derry needed to start the game well and stay in the game but in reality, the game was over with the deserved red card.
Previous to that, Derry's shooting was brutal. How many did they kick into the keeper's hands? It's shocking at that level. Do they not do shooting at training? - doesn't look like it from today's show.
No Derry goals today and never really created any good chances. Derry scored goals for fun during league. That threat seems, for whatever reason, to be gone currently.
Since the league final, Derry's momentum has tailed away significantly. After the long break, I'd expect them to be bursting the doors down to rectify the Donegal performance but I'd be really disappointed. They looked very average and disjointed.
Obviously a few players were injured but lack of championship experience on the bench was telling. The panel must be very light.
Why were so many let go and why were U20's brought in?
A few lads wanted to play football so went back to their clubs and you can't really blame them!
Quote from: AustinPowers on May 18, 2024, 11:25:46 PMQuote from: sam03/05 on May 18, 2024, 08:03:08 PMThought Hartes comments after the game were a disgrace. Said he didn't see mckinless incident , but then proceeded to accuse Comer of making a meal of it and theatrics.
It was as blatant a red card as seen at a game & it more or less ended Comers involvement in the game. McKinless deserves a lengthy ban for it
Didn't Gavin Devlin get 3 months for similar back in the day?
Don't know about back in the day by according to the rules it looks like a two game ban the max McKinless will get.
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 19, 2024, 12:17:12 AMQuote from: AustinPowers on May 18, 2024, 11:25:46 PMQuote from: sam03/05 on May 18, 2024, 08:03:08 PMThought Hartes comments after the game were a disgrace. Said he didn't see mckinless incident , but then proceeded to accuse Comer of making a meal of it and theatrics.
It was as blatant a red card as seen at a game & it more or less ended Comers involvement in the game. McKinless deserves a lengthy ban for it
Didn't Gavin Devlin get 3 months for similar back in the day?
Don't know about back in the day by according to the rules it looks like a two game ban the max McKinless will get.
Two's probably lenient but in line with rule books
After the league game in 22 there was a lot of local chatter that he had eye gouged Sean Kelly. Paul Conroy accidentally broke a Derry players jaw in the same game so everyone felt the need to move on and nothing more was made of it.
Mckinless went on to play brilliantly in 2023, especially against Kerry in the semi final when I and I assume most people were shouting for him
Absolutely disgusting incidents like today make me think it's infinitely more likely that those multiple reports of eye gouging were genuine
Quote from: marty34 on May 18, 2024, 11:04:05 PMSilly, but not unexpected behaviour from Mc Kinless. Let his team mates down badly. Derry needed to start the game well and stay in the game but in reality, the game was over with the deserved red card.
Previous to that, Derry's shooting was brutal. How many did they kick into the keeper's hands? It's shocking at that level. Do they not do shooting at training? - doesn't look like it from today's show.
No Derry goals today and never really created any good chances. Derry scored goals for fun during league. That threat seems, for whatever reason, to be gone currently.
Since the league final, Derry's momentum has tailed away significantly. After the long break, I'd expect them to be bursting the doors down to rectify the Donegal performance but I'd be really disappointed. They looked very average and disjointed.
Obviously a few players were injured but lack of championship experience on the bench was telling. The panel must be very light.
Why were so many let go and why were U20's brought in?
The whole performance reminded me of what we had to endure from about 2012 until 2018. No pace, no dynamism, no invention.
The result was no surprise, the stories floating around of injuries and players leaving the panel pointed to a dilution of the bond these lads seem to have had since Gallagher took over - probably forged over the multiple maniacal sessions he put them through. Discipline was shocking today, is this indicative of discontent on the camp? Someone mentioned the training camp in the sun, was that the catalyst for some of this, was there a limit on numbers who could travel or something of that nature?
The lack of goal threat the last 2 games has been particularly notable, Derry has been built on goals for the last 3 years, the oxygen goals and chances have given the team has spurred them on, built confidence and kept their high octane football mostly on the front foot.
This performance was just insipid, uninspiring, the game was poor quality and not much of a spectacle, Galway weren't great and are still a long way off their potential peak, Walsh was barely in the game (once again), Comer hadn't done much prior to the disgraceful stamping incident, Kelly also a long way off what he's capable of.
Harte's post match interview was laughable, good performance, heartened by the efforts, theatrics, didn't see it etc....
He'd have been better off refusing to talk to them rather than spew that drivel.
All is not lost, we need the team leaders to take control and set examples, mckaigue, Rodgers, Glass, McGuigan et al, they're bound to be hurting. If we can get McEvoy and Doherty back then maybe we can recapture something for Armagh's visit and get a performance more reminiscent of what we've been accustomed to for the last couple of years. Score difference may well make winning the group a big ask from here, but we can still finish second and salvage some championship pride from the season.
Quote from: Manning18 on May 18, 2024, 10:33:04 PMQuote from: screenexile on May 18, 2024, 08:15:51 PMQuote from: sam03/05 on May 18, 2024, 08:03:08 PMThought Hartes comments after the game were a disgrace. Said he didn't see mckinless incident , but then proceeded to accuse Comer of making a meal of it and theatrics.
It was as blatant a red card as seen at a game & it more or less ended Comers involvement in the game. McKinless deserves a lengthy ban for it
Comer 100% made a meal of the initial free obviously not of the stamp.
I didn't see the stamp at first and I'm sure Harte hadn't seen footage by the time he was interviewed either!
Are you serious? It took him out of the game. He hobbled around for 10 mins, took a painkilling injection at half time and went off because he couldn't move soon after. It might've derailed his season
Scandalous comments from Harte really
Too many people are taking the red card as if it's an isolated result. "changed the game", or "Derry performed well with 14"
It took Galway's best player out of the game. If you offered Joyce the option of keeping Comer fit and in the game and leaving Derry with 15 players I'm fairly sure he'd have taken it
On the stamp, absolutely disgraceful and can't be condoned, but just curious if that was comer's injury that has limited him most of the year until now? In other words, was it a targeting of a known injury like the incident with Sean Kelly v Mayo last year?
Some nonsense being talked by the usual suspects. I'm with Keyser on this one. We battled well considering the circumstances. We'll be fine come preliminary quarters onwards.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 19, 2024, 07:50:32 AMSome nonsense being talked by the usual suspects. I'm with Keyser on this one. We battled well considering the circumstances. We'll be fine come preliminary quarters onwards.
I agree.
There are always players coming and going on panels, some players want games and know they are not near it with the county. Even players getting minutes every match can get fed up with so much sacrifice and no game time.
Thought Derry played ok considering the injuries. Badly let down by McKinless. Despite that could have levelled things up with a goal late on and could have won it if the shooting boots were on ! Long way to go yet !!!!
Quote from: Applesisapples on May 19, 2024, 08:41:02 AMThere are always players coming and going on panels, some players want games and know they are not near it with the county. Even players getting minutes every match can get fed up with so much sacrifice and no game time.
One thing I will say about the Armagh lads is theres a panel of maybe 43 plus and everyone buys in regardless of gametime. Obviously theres a good few lads down the pecking order that get to play club games as well
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 19, 2024, 07:50:32 AMSome nonsense being talked by the usual suspects. I'm with Keyser on this one. We battled well considering the circumstances. We'll be fine come preliminary quarters onwards.
I'm sure before this championship started the objective for Derry was to match or better their last two championship campaigns which was All Ireland semi final. If it's a Preliminary quarter final and Derry win that it will be three games in three weeks and up against a rested table topper (probably Kerry,Dublin or Donegal)
Derry were much better than I thought they'd be. Especially after seeing who was and wasn't involved in the team warm up before the game.
Everything was pretty even up to the (deserved) red card. Derry still got plenty of shots away, but way too many were a platform for Galway attacks.
They put in some shift covering back and forward in that second half. McGuigans block exemplified that. But it was always going to lead to gaps.
That said they still managed to claw it back and had McGuigans shot found the net or went over the bar, you're looking at a very different final few minutes. Galway may still have ran out winners, but at that point, they were definitely gettin nervy in the stand.
Armagh at home next, you'd have to hope that Derry have a couple of those injured men back and ready to go for that game.
Quote from: Estimator on May 19, 2024, 11:37:50 AMDerry were much better than I thought they'd be. Especially after seeing who was and wasn't involved in the team warm up before the game.
Everything was pretty even up to the (deserved) red card. Derry still got plenty of shots away, but way too many were a platform for Galway attacks.
They put in some shift covering back and forward in that second half. McGuigans block exemplified that. But it was always going to lead to gaps.
That said they still managed to claw it back and had McGuigans shot found the net or went over the bar, you're looking at a very different final few minutes. Galway may still have ran out winners, but at that point, they were definitely gettin nervy in the stand.
Armagh at home next, you'd have to hope that Derry have a couple of those injured men back and ready to go for that game.
Two week gap is probably saving them there.
Derry about to get what Tyrone had for years... ok until meet any sort of a half well coached decent team. Rory's work being unravelled as we speak... hype of league win hasn't helped. Reality time!
Added to ignore, you're some dose
Quote from: JoG2 on May 19, 2024, 11:58:00 AMAdded to ignore, you're some dose
You'll see...
Quote from: galwayman on May 18, 2024, 07:54:19 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on May 18, 2024, 07:41:04 PMVery poor from Derry, sending off aside. So flat.
First half us where the game was lost, too many dropped short.
Too many of derrys star players were nowhere to be seen, glass didn't seem interested.
We were chasing the game, lachlan Murray just scored 3 I think, made a score saving tackle and Harte takes him off. Can't see the logic in that.
Galway were good. Should rightly leapfrog derry in the AI rankings and must be in that top 3 tier now.
Didn't listen to the commentary after the game but there can be no defending mckinless.
However, I did think in general galway got their frees easier than us.
I'm trying to take my Galway hat off here (not easy of course) but I honestly didn't feel that we were getting frees easier.
In terms of scores from frees I'm not sure how many we ended up with but when we had 1-12 on the board only two of those were frees.
I can think of two off the top of my head tap over frees Derry got that were never frees (to me anyway).
McGuigan wins a high ball in first half & doesn't call a mark. He gets shepherded and throws himself down and gets a free.
One in second half (I think number 10) who runs into 2-3 Galway defenders and gets a very soft free.
Anyhow I'm only picking them as examples. The red card changed the game.
Who knows what would have happened if it didn't happen. It was going to be tight regardless
My understanding was that if a player doesn't call the mark for the free kick he plays on but cannot be tackled until he has taken 4 steps - Mc Guigan was tackled immediately he caught the ball.
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 19, 2024, 11:19:58 AMQuote from: Walter Cronc on May 19, 2024, 07:50:32 AMSome nonsense being talked by the usual suspects. I'm with Keyser on this one. We battled well considering the circumstances. We'll be fine come preliminary quarters onwards.
I'm sure before this championship started the objective for Derry was to match or better their last two championship campaigns which was All Ireland semi final. If it's a Preliminary quarter final and Derry win that it will be three games in three weeks and up against a rested table topper (probably Kerry,Dublin or Donegal)
You can flip that too. Kerry will play Louth and Meath. After yesterday's debacle not exactly tested pre 1/4's. They are a side I wouldn't fear whatsoever!
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 19, 2024, 12:57:41 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on May 19, 2024, 11:19:58 AMQuote from: Walter Cronc on May 19, 2024, 07:50:32 AMSome nonsense being talked by the usual suspects. I'm with Keyser on this one. We battled well considering the circumstances. We'll be fine come preliminary quarters onwards.
I'm sure before this championship started the objective for Derry was to match or better their last two championship campaigns which was All Ireland semi final. If it's a Preliminary quarter final and Derry win that it will be three games in three weeks and up against a rested table topper (probably Kerry,Dublin or Donegal)
You can flip that too. Kerry will play Louth and Meath. After yesterday's debacle not exactly tested pre 1/4's. They are a side I wouldn't fear whatsoever!
Scheduling advantage can't be underestimated. Last year I believe Tyrone would have given a much better amount of themselves against Kerry in the last 8 tie with at least two weeks to prepare.
Quote from: galwayman on May 18, 2024, 07:30:24 PMComers ankle is the big worry going forward.
He had a bad ankle injury a few years back that took him a long time to recover from.
It was a dirty dirty act.
Against 14 men or not - it was a decent performer from our lads.
mckinless would be known for ill discipline stupid and needless act.
Hard to draw too many conclusions; both teams seemed like second rank behind Dublin and maybe Kerry. The stupidest of stupid red cards obviously imbalance the game, but Derry also seemed to lack conviction and confidence, can't remember so many shots falling sort before. Having said that, they were in the game till very near the end, so Galway shouldn't be over-rated.
Whats the point men killing themselves at training for McKinless to then go out and do that.Forget about respect to the opposition. He hasn't respect for his own teammates.track record of ill discipline comes back to bite Derry. He anything in him, he should be apologising to them other lads plus Comer. Still think Galway would won anyway, we just don't play well against them. Derry had a good half back line, and we likely playing Armagh without 4 defenders from last years semi. Some Derry players have badly went of the boil,
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 19, 2024, 03:46:39 PMWhats the point men killing themselves at training for McKinless to then go out and do that.Forget about respect to the opposition. He hasn't respect for his own teammates.track record of ill discipline comes back to bite Derry. He anything in him, he should be apologising to them other lads plus Comer. Still think Galway would won anyway, we just don't play well against them. Derry had a good half back line, and we likely playing Armagh without 4 defenders from last years semi. Some Derry players have badly went of the boil,
There is no point in putting in that effort only to be let down by a hot head teammate. But McKinless is not the first and he won't be the last. It's a perennial issue. Not excusable but oft repeated.
Quote from: marty34 on May 18, 2024, 11:04:05 PMPrevious to that, Derry's shooting was brutal. How many did they kick into the keeper's hands? It's shocking at that level. Do they not do shooting at training? - doesn't look like it from today's show.
It was a trait of Mickey's Tyrone teams in the last few years, so many shots dropping short. And interesting too after the 2021 AI Tyrone players saying they now had a freedom to shoot and weren't inhibited as they had been previously. Micro management isn't a good thing.
People saying again Tyrone folk are ungrateful to Mickey. I'm hugely grateful to him for his immense contribution to Tyrone GAA. That doesn't mean he's free from scrutiny. He stayed on a few years too long and ultimately held Tyrone back. As for Louth, that was a good gig for both parties. An underachieving county got a big name figurehead to get behind and he made some notable gains but handy gains, they were potentially much better than their initial situation suggested. The big task was going to be keeping it going and trying to progress further when they got to something like their natural level. Didn't really get to see that properly with Mickey.
Said a few times that Mickey in his last decade with Tyrone struggled to get the right attacking balance and to win big games. In that respect it was an interesting appointment for a Derry team trying to get the balance between attack and defence right and to win big games. It became even more interesting when McGuinness went back to Donegal then got that win over Derry, given McGuinness basically broke Mickey the previous decade. Lots of questions with the appointment and still waiting for conclusive answers.
Quote from: JoG2 on May 19, 2024, 11:58:00 AMAdded to ignore, you're some dose
you know he is the WUM in cheif, Eire og, Kerry for Sam, Armagh 18, southe dublin bro, plus many others.
He has single handidly gone a long way to F*ucking up a serious GAA Blog.
Shame on moderators.
For the past 7-10 years, I would be inclined to come on here to see opinions on games V read the newspapers after a game. Not any more.
A lot of well minded bloggers unfortunately have done likewise.
Quote from: joemamas on May 19, 2024, 07:21:12 PMQuote from: JoG2 on May 19, 2024, 11:58:00 AMAdded to ignore, you're some dose
you know he is the WUM in cheif, Eire og, Kerry for Sam, Armagh 18, southe dublin bro, plus many others.
He has single handidly gone a long way to F*ucking up a serious GAA Blog.
Shame on moderators.
For the past 7-10 years, I would be inclined to come on here to see opinions on games V read the newspapers after a game. Not any more.
A lot of well minded bloggers unfortunately have done likewise.
Leave me out of it pleasd.
Quote from: joemamas on May 19, 2024, 07:21:12 PMQuote from: JoG2 on May 19, 2024, 11:58:00 AMAdded to ignore, you're some dose
you know he is the WUM in cheif, Eire og, Kerry for Sam, Armagh 18, southe dublin bro, plus many others.
He has single handidly gone a long way to F*ucking up a serious GAA Blog.
Shame on moderators.
For the past 7-10 years, I would be inclined to come on here to see opinions on games V read the newspapers after a game. Not any more.
A lot of well minded bloggers unfortunately have done likewise.
The scoundrel! Not much to be at of a day when you're at that craic.
I doubt he's Armagh18 though?
Quote from: joemamas on May 19, 2024, 07:21:12 PMQuote from: JoG2 on May 19, 2024, 11:58:00 AMAdded to ignore, you're some dose
you know he is the WUM in cheif, Eire og, Kerry for Sam, Armagh 18, southe dublin bro, plus many others.
He has single handidly gone a long way to F*ucking up a serious GAA Blog.
Shame on moderators.
For the past 7-10 years, I would be inclined to come on here to see opinions on games V read the newspapers after a game. Not any more.
A lot of well minded bloggers unfortunately have done likewise.
I guess that's aimed at me, as the original comment was. Am not sure what I said that was so offensive as to warrant calling in the moderators. In fact what I said I believe to be true... but time will tell and I may have to eat my words.. or not.
Who's Bomber Destro alter ego these days?
Quote from: JoG2 on May 19, 2024, 08:15:43 PMQuote from: joemamas on May 19, 2024, 07:21:12 PMQuote from: JoG2 on May 19, 2024, 11:58:00 AMAdded to ignore, you're some dose
you know he is the WUM in cheif, Eire og, Kerry for Sam, Armagh 18, southe dublin bro, plus many others.
He has single handidly gone a long way to F*ucking up a serious GAA Blog.
Shame on moderators.
For the past 7-10 years, I would be inclined to come on here to see opinions on games V read the newspapers after a game. Not any more.
A lot of well minded bloggers unfortunately have done likewise.
The scoundrel! Not much to be at of a day when you're at that craic.
I doubt he's Armagh18 though?
Id agree on this
Quote from: Truthsayer on May 19, 2024, 09:30:32 PMQuote from: joemamas on May 19, 2024, 07:21:12 PMQuote from: JoG2 on May 19, 2024, 11:58:00 AMAdded to ignore, you're some dose
you know he is the WUM in cheif, Eire og, Kerry for Sam, Armagh 18, southe dublin bro, plus many others.
He has single handidly gone a long way to F*ucking up a serious GAA Blog.
Shame on moderators.
For the past 7-10 years, I would be inclined to come on here to see opinions on games V read the newspapers after a game. Not any more.
A lot of well minded bloggers unfortunately have done likewise.
I guess that's aimed at me, as the original comment was. Am not sure what I said that was so offensive as to warrant calling in the moderators. In fact what I said I believe to be true... but time will tell and I may have to eat my words.. or not.
Been yapping for years about how much he hates Harte. Went through a new name there but still the same sh!te.
Dose.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on May 20, 2024, 11:02:55 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 19, 2024, 09:30:32 PMQuote from: joemamas on May 19, 2024, 07:21:12 PMQuote from: JoG2 on May 19, 2024, 11:58:00 AMAdded to ignore, you're some dose
you know he is the WUM in cheif, Eire og, Kerry for Sam, Armagh 18, southe dublin bro, plus many others.
He has single handidly gone a long way to F*ucking up a serious GAA Blog.
Shame on moderators.
For the past 7-10 years, I would be inclined to come on here to see opinions on games V read the newspapers after a game. Not any more.
A lot of well minded bloggers unfortunately have done likewise.
I guess that's aimed at me, as the original comment was. Am not sure what I said that was so offensive as to warrant calling in the moderators. In fact what I said I believe to be true... but time will tell and I may have to eat my words.. or not.
Been yapping for years about how much he hates Harte. Went through a new name there but still the same sh!te.
Dose.
I've said nothing personal about Harte so is hardly 'hate'. Seems to be a very touchy subject to suggest he wont lead Derry to the All Ireland. I wasn't on here previous but you tell yourself that...
Quote from: Truthsayer on May 20, 2024, 11:25:07 AMQuote from: trueblue1234 on May 20, 2024, 11:02:55 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 19, 2024, 09:30:32 PMQuote from: joemamas on May 19, 2024, 07:21:12 PMQuote from: JoG2 on May 19, 2024, 11:58:00 AMAdded to ignore, you're some dose
you know he is the WUM in cheif, Eire og, Kerry for Sam, Armagh 18, southe dublin bro, plus many others.
He has single handidly gone a long way to F*ucking up a serious GAA Blog.
Shame on moderators.
For the past 7-10 years, I would be inclined to come on here to see opinions on games V read the newspapers after a game. Not any more.
A lot of well minded bloggers unfortunately have done likewise.
I guess that's aimed at me, as the original comment was. Am not sure what I said that was so offensive as to warrant calling in the moderators. In fact what I said I believe to be true... but time will tell and I may have to eat my words.. or not.
Been yapping for years about how much he hates Harte. Went through a new name there but still the same sh!te.
Dose.
I've said nothing personal about Harte so is hardly 'hate'. Seems to be a very touchy subject to suggest he wont lead Derry to the All Ireland. I wasn't on here previous but you tell yourself that...
👍
Is there a league table of who has the most "Ignores"?
Quote from: Truthsayer on May 20, 2024, 11:25:07 AMQuote from: trueblue1234 on May 20, 2024, 11:02:55 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 19, 2024, 09:30:32 PMQuote from: joemamas on May 19, 2024, 07:21:12 PMQuote from: JoG2 on May 19, 2024, 11:58:00 AMAdded to ignore, you're some dose
you know he is the WUM in cheif, Eire og, Kerry for Sam, Armagh 18, southe dublin bro, plus many others.
He has single handidly gone a long way to F*ucking up a serious GAA Blog.
Shame on moderators.
For the past 7-10 years, I would be inclined to come on here to see opinions on games V read the newspapers after a game. Not any more.
A lot of well minded bloggers unfortunately have done likewise.
I guess that's aimed at me, as the original comment was. Am not sure what I said that was so offensive as to warrant calling in the moderators. In fact what I said I believe to be true... but time will tell and I may have to eat my words.. or not.
Been yapping for years about how much he hates Harte. Went through a new name there but still the same sh!te.
Dose.
I've said nothing personal about Harte so is hardly 'hate'. Seems to be a very touchy subject to suggest he wont lead Derry to the All Ireland. I wasn't on here previous but you tell yourself that...
Usually when a new poster goes straight in, no kissing its a fair old red flag
It was a good Galway performance but would like to think there's another gear in them if they can get everyone fit at the same time.
Good to see Gleeson get away a few quick longer kicks outs in that first half which led to scores. Tierney & Comer are both brilliant fielders so will make a huge difference to Gleeson as long as he can be quick getting them off. A bit disappointed Galway didn't go after Derrys kickout more often but suppose they had a good lead and didn't need to take any chances.
D'Arcy is limited but he certainly has his uses, good fielder who can certainly kick a score and run all day but just wish he'd know when to get rid of the ball, there's an instance in every match when he's dispossessed far too easily.
Quote from: JoG2 on May 20, 2024, 03:09:49 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 20, 2024, 11:25:07 AMQuote from: trueblue1234 on May 20, 2024, 11:02:55 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 19, 2024, 09:30:32 PMQuote from: joemamas on May 19, 2024, 07:21:12 PMQuote from: JoG2 on May 19, 2024, 11:58:00 AMAdded to ignore, you're some dose
you know he is the WUM in cheif, Eire og, Kerry for Sam, Armagh 18, southe dublin bro, plus many others.
He has single handidly gone a long way to F*ucking up a serious GAA Blog.
Shame on moderators.
For the past 7-10 years, I would be inclined to come on here to see opinions on games V read the newspapers after a game. Not any more.
A lot of well minded bloggers unfortunately have done likewise.
I guess that's aimed at me, as the original comment was. Am not sure what I said that was so offensive as to warrant calling in the moderators. In fact what I said I believe to be true... but time will tell and I may have to eat my words.. or not.
Been yapping for years about how much he hates Harte. Went through a new name there but still the same sh!te.
Dose.
I've said nothing personal about Harte so is hardly 'hate'. Seems to be a very touchy subject to suggest he wont lead Derry to the All Ireland. I wasn't on here previous but you tell yourself that...
Usually when a new poster goes straight in, no kissing its a fair old red flag
Quote from: JoG2 on May 20, 2024, 03:09:49 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 20, 2024, 11:25:07 AMQuote from: trueblue1234 on May 20, 2024, 11:02:55 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 19, 2024, 09:30:32 PMQuote from: joemamas on May 19, 2024, 07:21:12 PMQuote from: JoG2 on May 19, 2024, 11:58:00 AMAdded to ignore, you're some dose
you know he is the WUM in cheif, Eire og, Kerry for Sam, Armagh 18, southe dublin bro, plus many others.
He has single handidly gone a long way to F*ucking up a serious GAA Blog.
Shame on moderators.
For the past 7-10 years, I would be inclined to come on here to see opinions on games V read the newspapers after a game. Not any more.
A lot of well minded bloggers unfortunately have done likewise.
I guess that's aimed at me, as the original comment was. Am not sure what I said that was so offensive as to warrant calling in the moderators. In fact what I said I believe to be true... but time will tell and I may have to eat my words.. or not.
Been yapping for years about how much he hates Harte. Went through a new name there but still the same sh!te.
Dose.
I've said nothing personal about Harte so is hardly 'hate'. Seems to be a very touchy subject to suggest he wont lead Derry to the All Ireland. I wasn't on here previous but you tell yourself that...
Usually when a new poster goes straight in, no kissing its a fair old red flag
😅 you're bit precious about Mickey Harte being criticised. I've commented on other topics. Still not sure what I've said that is so offensive..
Quote from: Truthsayer on May 20, 2024, 04:05:51 PMQuote from: JoG2 on May 20, 2024, 03:09:49 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 20, 2024, 11:25:07 AMQuote from: trueblue1234 on May 20, 2024, 11:02:55 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 19, 2024, 09:30:32 PMQuote from: joemamas on May 19, 2024, 07:21:12 PMQuote from: JoG2 on May 19, 2024, 11:58:00 AMAdded to ignore, you're some dose
you know he is the WUM in cheif, Eire og, Kerry for Sam, Armagh 18, southe dublin bro, plus many others.
He has single handidly gone a long way to F*ucking up a serious GAA Blog.
Shame on moderators.
For the past 7-10 years, I would be inclined to come on here to see opinions on games V read the newspapers after a game. Not any more.
A lot of well minded bloggers unfortunately have done likewise.
I guess that's aimed at me, as the original comment was. Am not sure what I said that was so offensive as to warrant calling in the moderators. In fact what I said I believe to be true... but time will tell and I may have to eat my words.. or not.
Been yapping for years about how much he hates Harte. Went through a new name there but still the same sh!te.
Dose.
I've said nothing personal about Harte so is hardly 'hate'. Seems to be a very touchy subject to suggest he wont lead Derry to the All Ireland. I wasn't on here previous but you tell yourself that...
Usually when a new poster goes straight in, no kissing its a fair old red flag
Quote from: JoG2 on May 20, 2024, 03:09:49 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 20, 2024, 11:25:07 AMQuote from: trueblue1234 on May 20, 2024, 11:02:55 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 19, 2024, 09:30:32 PMQuote from: joemamas on May 19, 2024, 07:21:12 PMQuote from: JoG2 on May 19, 2024, 11:58:00 AMAdded to ignore, you're some dose
you know he is the WUM in cheif, Eire og, Kerry for Sam, Armagh 18, southe dublin bro, plus many others.
He has single handidly gone a long way to F*ucking up a serious GAA Blog.
Shame on moderators.
For the past 7-10 years, I would be inclined to come on here to see opinions on games V read the newspapers after a game. Not any more.
A lot of well minded bloggers unfortunately have done likewise.
I guess that's aimed at me, as the original comment was. Am not sure what I said that was so offensive as to warrant calling in the moderators. In fact what I said I believe to be true... but time will tell and I may have to eat my words.. or not.
Been yapping for years about how much he hates Harte. Went through a new name there but still the same sh!te.
Dose.
I've said nothing personal about Harte so is hardly 'hate'. Seems to be a very touchy subject to suggest he wont lead Derry to the All Ireland. I wasn't on here previous but you tell yourself that...
Usually when a new poster goes straight in, no kissing its a fair old red flag
😅 you're bit precious about Mickey Harte being criticised. I've commented on other topics. Still not sure what I've said that is so offensive..
I think I only took umbrage to someone hinting the stamping incident was down to Harte and Devlin, not you but you may have jumped on (again, no kissing).. Which is school ground stuff
Are the rumours true about a row in the Derry camp when they went to Portugal or is it just fabrication?
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 21, 2024, 03:10:56 PMAre the rumours true about a row in the Derry camp when they went to Portugal or is it just fabrication?
Seen it mentioned on another forum by someone who I'd be inclined to trust who says it's from a very good source. Not heard it anywhere else so who knows. You'd imagine it would be in the media by now.
Come on guys, you can't leave us hanging like that
Spill the beans
Can confirm it is all true.
I have two sources.
One is my cousins cousins friends Portuguese girlfriend who works on the resort, saw it all kick off. Mad what she is saying, too bad to repeat.
Solicitors will be making a fortune from it all that's for sure.
Would explain the poor performances since then.
Quote from: smort on May 21, 2024, 03:56:46 PMCome on guys, you can't leave us hanging like that
Spill the beans
All I've heard is that players were given the option to stay on for a few days for a holiday, some did and one player was "assaulted". Have no more detail than that and take it with a pinch of salt, maybe some of the Derry men can give us more detail.
If it was true and the 2 boys accused then they'd have been in no shape to play on Saturday given their pervious...
A crowd of aul wimen in here.. Natter natter natter. My 3rd cousin thrice removed who is married to a chap who used to live down the road has a niece who knows someone who once had a lovely all inclusive week in Portugal, and they confirmed the players were tucked in by 10pm
Quote from: JoG2 on May 21, 2024, 05:00:12 PMA crowd of aul wimen in here.. Natter natter natter. My 3rd cousin thrice removed who is married to a chap who used to live down the road has a niece who knows someone who once had a lovely all inclusive week in Portugal, and they confirmed the players were tucked in by 10pm
Glad that's cleared up then!
The cheek of us, discussing rumours on a discussion forum!!
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 21, 2024, 04:08:11 PMCan confirm it is all true.
I have two sources.
One is my cousins cousins friends Portuguese girlfriend who works on the resort, saw it all kick off. Mad what she is saying, too bad to repeat.
Solicitors will be making a fortune from it all that's for sure.
Would explain the poor performances since then.
We must be related!
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 21, 2024, 05:04:06 PMQuote from: JoG2 on May 21, 2024, 05:00:12 PMA crowd of aul wimen in here.. Natter natter natter. My 3rd cousin thrice removed who is married to a chap who used to live down the road has a niece who knows someone who once had a lovely all inclusive week in Portugal, and they confirmed the players were tucked in by 10pm
Glad that's cleared up then!
The cheek of us, discussing rumours on a discussion forum!!
That fact of the matter is that Mickey and Horse got up to a bit of tomfoolery around the pool and some of the players assisted by a young pool attendant had to step in to settle things down.
Later that night Mickey was heard saying, "more like a wasp than a horse"....and the whole thing kicked off again.
From what I was told by a reliable eye witness (to someone else being told the story by a Portuguese taxi driver outside the airport in Faro) was that it was all just a bit of craic and it all settled down by the time they sobered up next morning. They had a good laugh about it over breakfast, but both were seen wearing sunglasses and horse was walking very gingerly for a couple of days.
Those are the facts, never to be questioned or doubted.
All other stories are false.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 21, 2024, 04:19:13 PMQuote from: smort on May 21, 2024, 03:56:46 PMCome on guys, you can't leave us hanging like that
Spill the beans
All I've heard is that players were given the option to stay on for a few days for a holiday, some did and one player was "assaulted". Have no more detail than that and take it with a pinch of salt, maybe some of the Derry men can give us more detail.
Cormac Murphy was mugged. That had nothing to do with his absence.
Last week Derry were 6/1 for Sam and Galway were 12/1
Today Derry are 12/1 and Galway are 9/1
I don't think Harte would be into disclipline.
Always comes across as holier than thou but his Tyrone team loved the dark arts e.g. Ricey.
When listening to Harte over the years, you'd think disclipline would be No. 1.
Obviously not so.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 21, 2024, 03:10:56 PMAre the rumours true about a row in the Derry camp when they went to Portugal or is it just fabrication?
Derry or your Kerry ;D ;D ;D ;D
Tell them nothing!
Is the Armagh Westmeath game on TV. The gaago overseas schedule is not showing it
Quote from: dec on May 22, 2024, 01:06:22 AMIs the Armagh Westmeath game on TV. The gaago overseas schedule is not showing it
The Dublin and Donegal games are being shown on Sat Dec
Quote from: dec on May 22, 2024, 01:06:22 AMIs the Armagh Westmeath game on TV. The gaago overseas schedule is not showing it
No it's not on GAAGO
Quote from: seafoid on May 21, 2024, 07:30:21 PMLast week Derry were 6/1 for Sam and Galway were 12/1
Today Derry are 12/1 and Galway are 9/1
That's fair based on form.
Derry are at risk of the wheels coming off this year -
even Armagh might beat us. ;)
If Armagh replicate their performance from the first 55 mins of the Ulster Final I think they could beat Derry with a bit to spare, especially if Derry's injuries dont clear up.
A lot of ifs and buts though.
Is there any reason with games being played next week why the GAA can't confirm the dates and times of next weekends fixtures so that supporters can sort travel/accomodation if required. I understand last round of games are neutral and undecided but why could they not announce the venues/times for the first two rounds at one time.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 22, 2024, 02:28:08 PMIf Armagh replicate their performance from the first 55 mins of the Ulster Final I think they could beat Derry with a bit to spare, especially if Derry's injuries dont clear up.
A lot of ifs and buts though.
Think they play for 77+ mins in games these days
Quote from: JoG2 on May 22, 2024, 02:51:12 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 22, 2024, 02:28:08 PMIf Armagh replicate their performance from the first 55 mins of the Ulster Final I think they could beat Derry with a bit to spare, especially if Derry's injuries dont clear up.
A lot of ifs and buts though.
Think they play for 77+ mins in games these days
Derry only played for 22 the last day.
They have a bit to go.
Quote from: statto on May 22, 2024, 02:34:46 PMIs there any reason with games being played next week why the GAA can't confirm the dates and times of next weekends fixtures so that supporters can sort travel/accomodation if required. I understand last round of games are neutral and undecided but why could they not announce the venues/times for the first two rounds at one time.
They draw the groups before all the teams are known, but still cannot even determine the time of the likes of Derry and Armagh when it was known for 3 weeks that Derry would be playing either Armagh or Donegal. Since neither of these counties are very far away and as both would bring a crowd, then it didn't really matter which one was going to come.
Quote from: seafoid on May 21, 2024, 07:30:21 PMLast week Derry were 6/1 for Sam and Galway were 12/1
Today Derry are 12/1 and Galway are 9/1
Galway have put themselves in a great position to win the group now and that would likely have a massive impact on their chances of winning Sam.
Derry by contrast are very unlikely to top the group, so if they do get out of the group they will end up going the much much harder (close to impossible) preliminary quarter-final route.
Quote from: statto on May 22, 2024, 02:34:46 PMIs there any reason with games being played next week why the GAA can't confirm the dates and times of next weekends fixtures so that supporters can sort travel/accomodation if required. I understand last round of games are neutral and undecided but why could they not announce the venues/times for the first two rounds at one time.
The thing is that this surely has to impact ticket sales.
The group draw was made on April 30th. On that date it was known that Derry would be playing at home against the loser of the Ulster final on the weekend of the June 1st/2nd.
On the 12th of May, Armagh were confirmed as being the opposition for Derry in this game.
10 days have passed by since then and there is still no confirmation of the date, location, or time.
It's a similar situation for all the final round games.
That's 10 additional days of ticket sales. Whatever way you want to slice it I doubt that having the tickets on sale for a longer period of time would lead to less overall sales and there has to be a very serious chance that it leads to increased ticket sales.
The season ticket holders and the other types of GAA regulars are pretty much guaranteed to turn up no matter where and when the game is on but even if you sold no additional tickets, it would surely be a benefit to a significant percentage of these thousands of people to know the date/time and location two weeks earlier.
I jsut can't understand why the GAA aren't better on this issue.
Armagh will need to beat Westmeath on Saturday as they travel to Derry next weekend who themselves must now win this one having lost to Galway. Having Galway on a neutral venue will help but they look like they're building momentum and could go far in the Championship but will not win it. Armagh as per usual will be left behind sucking a hind tit.
Quote from: illdecide on May 22, 2024, 07:38:25 PMArmagh will need to beat Westmeath on Saturday as they travel to Derry next weekend who themselves must now win this one having lost to Galway. Having Galway on a neutral venue will help but they look like they're building momentum and could go far in the Championship but will not win it. Armagh as per usual will be left behind sucking a hind tit.
Love to see great support for the lads! ;)
Quote from: twohands!!! on May 22, 2024, 05:41:05 PMQuote from: seafoid on May 21, 2024, 07:30:21 PMLast week Derry were 6/1 for Sam and Galway were 12/1
Today Derry are 12/1 and Galway are 9/1
Galway have put themselves in a great position to win the group now and that would likely have a massive impact on their chances of winning Sam.
Derry by contrast are very unlikely to top the group, so if they do get out of the group they will end up going the much much harder (close to impossible) preliminary quarter-final route.
And if Derry qualify out of their group and win a preliminary quarter they will play one of the 3 group winners in the quarters. Likely to be Dublin, Kerry or Donegal. Looking very tough atm but I don't think you can say it's close to impossible after 1 season. There will be years where a team gets momentum through this route and wins Sam or gets to a final. Derry might also have a stronger squad come the prelim qf game after Mckinless's suspension is over and hopefully with Doherty, McEvoy, Murphy and maybe even Loughlin back
The group isn't decided yet either. Kerry, Dublin and Derry all failed to win their first group game last year and they topped the group, albeit two of those results were draws.
Derry might squeeze 2/3 games, wriggle there way to the quarters to Play Tyrone who pin Donegal this weekend lol .
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 22, 2024, 07:40:59 PMQuote from: illdecide on May 22, 2024, 07:38:25 PMArmagh will need to beat Westmeath on Saturday as they travel to Derry next weekend who themselves must now win this one having lost to Galway. Having Galway on a neutral venue will help but they look like they're building momentum and could go far in the Championship but will not win it. Armagh as per usual will be left behind sucking a hind tit.
Love to see great support for the lads! ;)
I'll be there giving my support like i do every year. I just know what's coming from experience :)
Quote from: illdecide on May 22, 2024, 09:37:29 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on May 22, 2024, 07:40:59 PMQuote from: illdecide on May 22, 2024, 07:38:25 PMArmagh will need to beat Westmeath on Saturday as they travel to Derry next weekend who themselves must now win this one having lost to Galway. Having Galway on a neutral venue will help but they look like they're building momentum and could go far in the Championship but will not win it. Armagh as per usual will be left behind sucking a hind tit.
Love to see great support for the lads! ;)
I'll be there giving my support like i do every year. I just know what's coming from experience :)
We topped a very similar group last year. Lets hope for the same again!
Has Westmeath progressed from last year?
Round 2 fixtures confirmed tonight
Sunday June 2nd
Westmeath v Galway Cusack Park 3pm
Derry v Armagh Celtic Park 4pm live on RTE
Tickets on sale now!
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Quote from: screenexile on May 23, 2024, 05:56:39 PMTickets on sale now!
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I expect that Derry v Armagh should draw a good crowd, TV or not, with thousands of seats already gone because of the 3 game package and season tickets.
Thanks, ticket sorted.
Are the stand tickets only for those who bought the package?
I'd expect this to sell out our be close to it.
Rian o Neill must be injured
Strange selection for midfield
Quote from: naka on May 23, 2024, 10:13:17 PMRian o Neill must be injured
Strange selection for midfield
Went off injured in the ulster final
Quote from: naka on May 23, 2024, 10:13:17 PMRian o Neill must be injured
Strange selection for midfield
Some loss. Yeah strange with Oisin O'Neill and McPartlan on bench. Could be changes yet.
Quote from: screenexile on May 23, 2024, 08:24:32 PMAre the stand tickets only for those who bought the package?
I'd expect this to sell out our be close to it.
Nope, they are general admission terrace side. Think the clubs are getting the stand tickets once again.
Can any of you Armachians post a link to Armagh's starting lineup against Westmeath? Thanks a lot.
Quote from: Estimator on May 23, 2024, 10:49:53 PMQuote from: screenexile on May 23, 2024, 08:24:32 PMAre the stand tickets only for those who bought the package?
I'd expect this to sell out our be close to it.
Nope, they are general admission terrace side. Think the clubs are getting the stand tickets once again.
Not correct, bought a package and was sent stand tickets. To be honest, the less tickets sent via the clubs the better if the UF debacle was anything to go by ... pissup in a brewery came to mind.
Quote from: screenexile on May 23, 2024, 08:24:32 PMAre the stand tickets only for those who bought the package?
I'd expect this to sell out our be close to it.
I have a season ticket and got the package and I have a seat in section g. Unsure if that's just because I have season ticket though
Gotta be because u got a season ticket but i thought all be a first come first served basis, which I never understood, just means they get away charging more for terrace rickets.
Armagh have named a strong team to face Westmeath, but no Rian O'Neill replaced by Tiernan Kelly.
Quote from: Orior on May 23, 2024, 11:59:10 PMArmagh have named a strong team to face Westmeath, but no Rian O'Neill replaced by Tiernan Kelly.
Came off injured in the ulster final
Quote from: Oraisteach on May 23, 2024, 11:11:09 PMCan any of you Armachians post a link to Armagh's starting lineup against Westmeath? Thanks a lot.
Just go on to Armagh Gaa fscebook.
Quote from: balladmaker on May 23, 2024, 11:15:56 PMQuote from: Estimator on May 23, 2024, 10:49:53 PMQuote from: screenexile on May 23, 2024, 08:24:32 PMAre the stand tickets only for those who bought the package?
I'd expect this to sell out our be close to it.
Nope, they are general admission terrace side. Think the clubs are getting the stand tickets once again.
Not correct, bought a package and was sent stand tickets. To be honest, the less tickets sent via the clubs the better if the UF debacle was anything to go by ... pissup in a brewery came to mind.
Must be another factor involved then.
Was general admission/first come, first served in Salthill. Though there was a huge section in the centre of the stand cordoned off for certain people.
But my tickets for the Armagh game are showing entrance on the Bluebell Terrace side.
Maybe the difference is the juvenile tickets bought as well.
Quote from: Oraisteach on May 23, 2024, 11:11:09 PMCan any of you Armachians post a link to Armagh's starting lineup against Westmeath? Thanks a lot.
Armagh gaa twitter
Kelly in midfield
Conor o Neill in half back line
Mc cabe on the bench
No other changes
Quote from: naka on May 24, 2024, 10:41:54 AMQuote from: Oraisteach on May 23, 2024, 11:11:09 PMCan any of you Armachians post a link to Armagh's starting lineup against Westmeath? Thanks a lot.
Armagh gaa twitter
Kelly in midfield
Conor o Neill in half back line
Mc cabe on the bench
No other changes
Or the glorious colour version, strong subs bench but no Rian.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GOSoSVqX0AEt_nO?format=jpg&name=small)
Are all the Westmeath supporters on holiday?
Quote from: Orior on May 24, 2024, 11:37:12 AMAre all the Westmeath supporters on holiday?
They were during the game in the Athletic Grounds last year.
Quote from: armaghniac on May 24, 2024, 11:01:08 AMQuote from: naka on May 24, 2024, 10:41:54 AMQuote from: Oraisteach on May 23, 2024, 11:11:09 PMCan any of you Armachians post a link to Armagh's starting lineup against Westmeath? Thanks a lot.
Armagh gaa twitter
Kelly in midfield
Conor o Neill in half back line
Mc cabe on the bench
No other changes
Or the glorious colour version, strong subs bench but no Rian.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GOSoSVqX0AEt_nO?format=jpg&name=small)
Rian clearly had an issue after that slip in the Ulster Final and must not have recovered in time. Although I dont think there is a lot of difference between many of the subs, I am slightly surprised that TK gets the nod over Oisin O'Neill in the middle (if such a position really exists now).
Can't believe this isn't on tv anywhere.
Quote from: An Watcher on May 25, 2024, 08:19:22 AMCan't believe this isn't on tv anywhere.
One of the claims of GAAGo is that is covers more games that could ever be on TV, but they don't bother covering that many games. ArmaghTV have the capactity to do games at the Athletic grounds, but they wouldn't be allowed cover this and GAA wouldn't contract them to cover it. Now in today's case that is a pity, but Cork v Donegal next week is a disgrace.
Is there radio commentary available anywhere for the Armagh game?
Quote from: An Watcher on May 25, 2024, 08:19:22 AMCan't believe this isn't on tv anywhere.
Your expecting too much an watcher . Sure its only the championship , another Saturday with no free to air games on tv . Have the gaa ever released the viewing figures for gaa go ?
Quote from: An Watcher on May 25, 2024, 08:19:22 AMCan't believe this isn't on tv anywhere.
Not as big a game as Tyrone Donegal. It'll always be shown ahead of Armagh Westmeath.
No reason Armagh TV shouldn't be allowed to show this is there?
The other shower of Orangemen are marching in Armagh today for any Westmeathians making the trip give yourselves plenty of time!
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 25, 2024, 01:49:34 PMThe other shower of Orangemen are marching in Armagh today for any Westmeathians making the trip give yourselves plenty of time!
Is this a common thing? Is it just a coincidence that they have a parade at the same time as a big match?
Or do the OO check the GAA fixtures page , then decide to have a march just to piss off those pesky taigs?
Quote from: AustinPowers on May 25, 2024, 03:18:19 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on May 25, 2024, 01:49:34 PMThe other shower of Orangemen are marching in Armagh today for any Westmeathians making the trip give yourselves plenty of time!
Is this a common thing? Is it just a coincidence that they have a parade at the same time as a big match?
Or do the OO check the GAA fixtures page , then decide to have a march just to piss off those pesky taigs?
They're fond of it alright, they had one the day of the Cavan league game too.
I think the speed camera men check the gaa fixtures lol
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 25, 2024, 01:42:38 PMQuote from: An Watcher on May 25, 2024, 08:19:22 AMCan't believe this isn't on tv anywhere.
Not as big a game as Tyrone Donegal. It'll always be shown ahead of Armagh Westmeath.
For GAAgo the Internet can have many streams.
Quote from: armaghniac on May 25, 2024, 05:40:36 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on May 25, 2024, 01:42:38 PMQuote from: An Watcher on May 25, 2024, 08:19:22 AMCan't believe this isn't on tv anywhere.
Not as big a game as Tyrone Donegal. It'll always be shown ahead of Armagh Westmeath.
For GAAgo the Internet can have many streams.
But the rights only allow so many games, regardless of bandwidth.
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 25, 2024, 05:42:22 PMQuote from: armaghniac on May 25, 2024, 05:40:36 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on May 25, 2024, 01:42:38 PMQuote from: An Watcher on May 25, 2024, 08:19:22 AMCan't believe this isn't on tv anywhere.
Not as big a game as Tyrone Donegal. It'll always be shown ahead of Armagh Westmeath.
For GAAgo the Internet can have many streams.
But the rights only allow so many games, regardless of bandwidth.
GaaGo should be allowed show it if rte aren't, if they don't want it then likes of armagh tv should be showing these games.
7.6 to Armagh at HT, Westmeath played with a good wind there. Armagh looked in containment mode into the wind. Awful to watch.
Quote from: bennydorano on May 25, 2024, 06:44:17 PM7.6 to Armagh at HT, Westmeath played with a good wind there. Armagh looked in containment mode into the wind. Awful to watch.
I actually thought Armagh were ok first half against a very good Westmeath side playing a refreshing brand of football. The High Press they used defensively really disrupted the Armagh rhythm.
Second half I felt Armagh made the necessary adjustments and fared much better keeping Westmeath scoreless for almost 20 minutes and always looking comfortable with out really having to exert themselves.
Quote from: David McKeown on May 25, 2024, 10:08:39 PMQuote from: bennydorano on May 25, 2024, 06:44:17 PM7.6 to Armagh at HT, Westmeath played with a good wind there. Armagh looked in containment mode into the wind. Awful to watch.
I actually thought Armagh were ok first half against a very good Westmeath side playing a refreshing brand of football. The High Press they used defensively really disrupted the Armagh rhythm.
Second half I felt Armagh made the necessary adjustments and fared much better keeping Westmeath scoreless for almost 20 minutes and always looking comfortable with out really having to exert themselves.
The wind was a definite factor, in the second half with the wind Armagh bunged in 5 points and then relaxed to some extent. But there were passes that went astray that that will not do in our next two games.
Quote from: David McKeown on May 25, 2024, 10:08:39 PMQuote from: bennydorano on May 25, 2024, 06:44:17 PM7.6 to Armagh at HT, Westmeath played with a good wind there. Armagh looked in containment mode into the wind. Awful to watch.
I actually thought Armagh were ok first half against a very good Westmeath side playing a refreshing brand of football. The High Press they used defensively really disrupted the Armagh rhythm.
Second half I felt Armagh made the necessary adjustments and fared much better keeping Westmeath scoreless for almost 20 minutes and always looking comfortable with out really having to exert themselves.
I thought Armagh were spot on in the first half(& throughout tbh, we won in 3rd gear) the game was shite tho. Westmeath were very ordinary - and unoriginal, but who is original these days.
Armagh Westmeath match.... On the 1st half- like the donegal game, westmeath were v accurate with their shooting. It was a nervous enough atmosphere in the stand, but as stated above the wind was a big factor. 2nd half was a lot better from armagh. Andrew Murnin when sent to midfield showed real leadership with some great fetching, and chipped in on the scoresheet too. Oisin Connaty looked lively, and the subs made an impact again. So while we didn't set the world alight, was good to get over the hangover of the ulster final. Best wishes to Conor o'neill, just back from a lay-off, hopefully not too serious
Quote from: seanaglis on May 26, 2024, 07:27:38 AMArmagh Westmeath match.... On the 1st half- like the donegal game, westmeath were v accurate with their shooting. It was a nervous enough atmosphere in the stand, but as stated above the wind was a big factor. 2nd half was a lot better from armagh. Andrew Murnin when sent to midfield showed real leadership with some great fetching, and chipped in on the scoresheet too. Oisin Connaty looked lively, and the subs made an impact again. So while we didn't set the world alight, was good to get over the hangover of the ulster final. Best wishes to Conor o'neill, just back from a lay-off, hopefully not too serious
Also worth noting Blaine Hughes was great. His kickouts were really accurate- has a lovely way of pinging the ball to his man. Onwards and upwards!
As others have said the wind was a major factor so thought Armagh played sensibly in the first half .
For me murnin was excellent throughout and thought Oisin played really well when he came on.
Whilst we looked comfortable we made a lot of unforced errors which kept them in the game which can't be done on another day.
A win though so hopefully we go to Derry and lay down a marker .
Strange I thought Westmeath were very inventive with the high press, thought Hughes had his worst game of the year and didn't think the wind was a massive factor. Shows how we can all see games differently I guess
Comfortable five-point success over Westmeath an improvement on this match last year which won with a late goal. Sets Armagh up nicely for Derry next.
Quote from: David McKeown on May 26, 2024, 09:53:44 AMStrange I thought Westmeath were very inventive with the high press, thought Hughes had his worst game of the year and didn't think the wind was a massive factor. Shows how we can all see games differently I guess
Although with the wind in the second half Hughes did kick over the press, Donegal style, on one occasion.
One point about this is that if there is a significant wind, so teams need to change their approach in each half.
Am I right in thinking if Armagh don't win the group we have to meet Kerry or Dublin in a Q/F? (plenty of ifs to factor in but looking likely) Can't meet our own group winner, nor Donegal who will win their group.
Quote from: bennydorano on May 26, 2024, 05:49:09 PMAm I right in thinking if Armagh don't win the group we have to meet Kerry or Dublin in a Q/F? (plenty of ifs to factor in but looking likely) Can't meet our own group winner, nor Donegal who will win their group.
Bring it.
Quote from: bennydorano on May 26, 2024, 05:49:09 PMAm I right in thinking if Armagh don't win the group we have to meet Kerry or Dublin in a Q/F? (plenty of ifs to factor in but looking likely) Can't meet our own group winner, nor Donegal who will win their group.
Yes assuming they top their groups
Just thinking there, the only knockout game we've had since 2019 against non Ulster opposition was Galway in 2022 and even in the group games the only no Ulster opposition has been Galway and Westmeath x2.
Will Mcgeeney put an end to Mickey Hartes tenure this weekend?
Actually expecting to get beat, you down a 1/3rd of the team.But if we get a few back for last 12 game i think we be stronger than all the 2nd placed teams. And that put u into heavy opposition in the quarters, but it is what it is.
Derry / Armagh really fancy a draw .
Means all to play for
Quote from: naka on May 27, 2024, 05:14:45 PMDerry / Armagh really fancy a draw .
Means all to play for
The group stages of the AI has alot of detractors, but each group after a game has its own permutations, with teams jostling for a table topping finish, or hoping for a 2nd place finish to gain home advantage in a q/f qualifier. Finish 2nd and it's 3 weekends in a row (potentially if all goes well).
If Sunday's game finishes in a draw, we've Westmeath down the country somewhere and Armagh Galway. Tbh I'm not sure how either Galway or ourselves are fixed atm. On paper Galway has a team that could win an AI. We're shy a half back line that helped propel us to back to back Ulsters and a few brilliant outings @ HQ.
2 more weeks will definitely bring on on the likes of Finnerty and McDaid. But, I wouldn't be surprised if Armagh come away with the 2 points when they meet. Rian O'Neill could be back to strengthen a formidable Armagh side. All Armagh had to do in Clones from the 55th minute on was score another point. That's how close they are to the likes of Donegal who are now being mentioned in the same breath as Kerry and Dublin as potential winners.
Looking like it'll be a sell out at Celtic Pk, it's not knockout, but it'll be some battle with a fair bit riding on the result
When was Celtic Park ever used so much since the renovation? This be the 3rd full house this year plus really good crowds throughout the league apart from against the Rossies. Lay derelict for years when Derry were down the leagues
Quote from: Brendan on May 27, 2024, 06:01:27 PMWhen was Celtic Park ever used so much since the renovation? This be the 3rd full house this year plus really good crowds throughout the Prague apart from against the Rossies. Lay derelict for years when Derry were down the leagues
For a city that's not exactly GAA mad yet but is beginning to grow, surely it's a positive.
Been a few years since I've been to Celtic Park. What's the parking situation like in the area?
Decent pubs in Derry for before and after?
Would Derry be busy the Sunday night, looking at staying over either the Saturday or Sunday night.
Quote from: balladmaker on May 27, 2024, 07:49:35 PMBeen a few years since I've been to Celtic Park. What's the parking situation like in the area?
Parking is a disaster at the best of times, worse at the minute with roadworks on the Foyle road that have been going on for months at this stage so best avoid coming into the town via the lower deck
Has mckinless got his suspension yet?
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 27, 2024, 07:52:05 PMDecent pubs in Derry for before and after?
Would Derry be busy the Sunday night, looking at staying over either the Saturday or Sunday night.
Stout drinker? If so, YouTube Guinness Guru Derry and visit the 6 bars, all seriously good stout!
Mary Bs, The Celtic and Maileys would be the closest. 10 min dander and you're at the Park Bar & Derby Bar. Quick 1 or 2 in each. Another wee dander you can hit the likes of the Rocking Chair, Gweedore and Peadars on Waterloo St... You won't go thirsty!
Quote from: Brendan on May 27, 2024, 07:59:44 PMQuote from: balladmaker on May 27, 2024, 07:49:35 PMBeen a few years since I've been to Celtic Park. What's the parking situation like in the area?
Parking is a disaster at the best of times, worse at the minute with roadworks on the Foyle road that have been going on for months at this stage so best avoid coming into the town via the lower deck
Be as well parking at the carpark opp the City Baths on William St and walk? 20 mins on foot give or take
Just watched the replay of the Saturday game on gaago (the overseas version) and discovered they did have cameras and Ger Canning at the Armagh game. There is no reason why they couldn't have broadcast it live.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 27, 2024, 07:52:05 PMDecent pubs in Derry for before and after?
Would Derry be busy the Sunday night, looking at staying over either the Saturday or Sunday night.
Heading to Killarney with family tomorrow for two nights, any pubs or restaurants you would recommend
Thanks
Quote from: JoG2 on May 27, 2024, 08:57:15 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on May 27, 2024, 07:52:05 PMDecent pubs in Derry for before and after?
Would Derry be busy the Sunday night, looking at staying over either the Saturday or Sunday night.
Stout drinker? If so, YouTube Guinness Guru Derry and visit the 6 bars, all seriously good stout!
Mary Bs, The Celtic and Maileys would be the closest. 10 min dander and you're at the Park Bar & Derby Bar. Quick 1 or 2 in each. Another wee dander you can hit the likes of the Rocking Chair, Gweedore and Peadars on Waterloo St... You won't go thirsty!
Quote from: Brendan on May 27, 2024, 07:59:44 PMQuote from: balladmaker on May 27, 2024, 07:49:35 PMBeen a few years since I've been to Celtic Park. What's the parking situation like in the area?
Parking is a disaster at the best of times, worse at the minute with roadworks on the Foyle road that have been going on for months at this stage so best avoid coming into the town via the lower deck
Be as well parking at the carpark opp the City Baths on William St and walk? 20 mins on foot give or take
Cheers, appreciate that!
So Derry are hosting Armagh on Sunday and hardly a post about it...Wow. Very low key
Quote from: illdecide on May 29, 2024, 10:16:35 AMSo Derry are hosting Armagh on Sunday and hardly a post about it...Wow. Very low key
Both sides nervous perhaps?
I think injuries on both sides will play a major part here.
Is Rian O'Neill fit?
I haven't heard anything about any of the Derry injuries - Conor Doherty, Eoin McEvoy, Niall O'Loughlin, Cormac Murphy were all out injured the last day out. If all return, the pendulum swings for Derry.
Haven't heard anything about McKinless, but assuming he's got a 2 game suspension.
I'm going to guess we hear nothing official from either side on injuries and we won't know what the lineups will look like until throw in - so its a difficult game to call.
In my opinion, a full strength Derry at home beats a full strength Armagh 9/10 times. It's a must win game for Derry if they have any aspirations of topping the group.
We'll just have to wait and see on this one I think as there are two many unknowns in terms of injuries to call it.
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 29, 2024, 10:24:31 AMQuote from: illdecide on May 29, 2024, 10:16:35 AMSo Derry are hosting Armagh on Sunday and hardly a post about it...Wow. Very low key
Both sides nervous perhaps?
I think injuries on both sides will play a major part here.
Is Rian O'Neill fit?
I haven't heard anything about any of the Derry injuries - Conor Doherty, Eoin McEvoy, Niall O'Loughlin, Cormac Murphy were all out injured the last day out. If all return, the pendulum swings for Derry.
Haven't heard anything about McKinless, but assuming he's got a 2 game suspension.
I'm going to guess we hear nothing official from either side on injuries and we won't know what the lineups will look like until throw in - so its a difficult game to call.
In my opinion, a full strength Derry at home beats a full strength Armagh 9/10 times. It's a must win game for Derry if they have any aspirations of topping the group.
We'll just have to wait and see on this one I think as there are two many unknowns in terms of injuries to call it.
I'd agree with that. If it is a weakened Derry team then I give Armagh every chance.
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 29, 2024, 10:24:31 AMQuote from: illdecide on May 29, 2024, 10:16:35 AMSo Derry are hosting Armagh on Sunday and hardly a post about it...Wow. Very low key
Both sides nervous perhaps?
I think injuries on both sides will play a major part here.
Is Rian O'Neill fit?
I haven't heard anything about any of the Derry injuries - Conor Doherty, Eoin McEvoy, Niall O'Loughlin, Cormac Murphy were all out injured the last day out. If all return, the pendulum swings for Derry.
Haven't heard anything about McKinless, but assuming he's got a 2 game suspension.
I'm going to guess we hear nothing official from either side on injuries and we won't know what the lineups will look like until throw in - so its a difficult game to call.
In my opinion, a full strength Derry at home beats a full strength Armagh 9/10 times. It's a must win game for Derry if they have any aspirations of topping the group.
We'll just have to wait and see on this one I think as there are two many unknowns in terms of injuries to call it.
That's harsh. I'd say 8.5 times out of 10.
Quote from: Orior on May 29, 2024, 12:18:39 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on May 29, 2024, 10:24:31 AMQuote from: illdecide on May 29, 2024, 10:16:35 AMSo Derry are hosting Armagh on Sunday and hardly a post about it...Wow. Very low key
Both sides nervous perhaps?
I think injuries on both sides will play a major part here.
Is Rian O'Neill fit?
I haven't heard anything about any of the Derry injuries - Conor Doherty, Eoin McEvoy, Niall O'Loughlin, Cormac Murphy were all out injured the last day out. If all return, the pendulum swings for Derry.
Haven't heard anything about McKinless, but assuming he's got a 2 game suspension.
I'm going to guess we hear nothing official from either side on injuries and we won't know what the lineups will look like until throw in - so its a difficult game to call.
In my opinion, a full strength Derry at home beats a full strength Armagh 9/10 times. It's a must win game for Derry if they have any aspirations of topping the group.
We'll just have to wait and see on this one I think as there are two many unknowns in terms of injuries to call it.
That's harsh. I'd say 8.5 times out of 10.
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Quote from: Armamike on May 29, 2024, 12:24:23 PMQuote from: Orior on May 29, 2024, 12:18:39 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on May 29, 2024, 10:24:31 AMQuote from: illdecide on May 29, 2024, 10:16:35 AMSo Derry are hosting Armagh on Sunday and hardly a post about it...Wow. Very low key
Both sides nervous perhaps?
I think injuries on both sides will play a major part here.
Is Rian O'Neill fit?
I haven't heard anything about any of the Derry injuries - Conor Doherty, Eoin McEvoy, Niall O'Loughlin, Cormac Murphy were all out injured the last day out. If all return, the pendulum swings for Derry.
Haven't heard anything about McKinless, but assuming he's got a 2 game suspension.
I'm going to guess we hear nothing official from either side on injuries and we won't know what the lineups will look like until throw in - so its a difficult game to call.
In my opinion, a full strength Derry at home beats a full strength Armagh 9/10 times. It's a must win game for Derry if they have any aspirations of topping the group.
We'll just have to wait and see on this one I think as there are two many unknowns in terms of injuries to call it.
That's harsh. I'd say 8.5 times out of 10.
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6 seems to reflect the bookies odds anyway.
I'd call it 50/50 on Sunday, it will go down to the wire ... without the penalties this time thankfully.
Quote from: balladmaker on May 29, 2024, 01:04:59 PMI'd call it 50/50 on Sunday, it will go down to the wire ... without the penalties this time thankfully.
A draw it is so.
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 29, 2024, 10:24:31 AMQuote from: illdecide on May 29, 2024, 10:16:35 AMSo Derry are hosting Armagh on Sunday and hardly a post about it...Wow. Very low key
Both sides nervous perhaps?
I think injuries on both sides will play a major part here.
Is Rian O'Neill fit?
I haven't heard anything about any of the Derry injuries - Conor Doherty, Eoin McEvoy, Niall O'Loughlin, Cormac Murphy were all out injured the last day out. If all return, the pendulum swings for Derry.
Haven't heard anything about McKinless, but assuming he's got a 2 game suspension.
I'm going to guess we hear nothing official from either side on injuries and we won't know what the lineups will look like until throw in - so its a difficult game to call.
In my opinion, a full strength Derry at home beats a full strength Armagh 9/10 times. It's a must win game for Derry if they have any aspirations of topping the group.
We'll just have to wait and see on this one I think as there are two many unknowns in terms of injuries to call it.
It's almost impossible now for Derry to top the group. Even if Derry beat Armagh, and Armagh beat Galway, the fact we lost by 5 means we're more than likely gonna miss out on top spot on score difference. We probably have to beat Armagh by at least 6 and that just isn't going to happen realistically.
Quote from: lenny on May 29, 2024, 01:59:37 PMIt's almost impossible now for Derry to top the group. Even if Derry beat Armagh, and Armagh beat Galway, the fact we lost by 5 means we're more than likely gonna miss out on top spot on score difference. We probably have to beat Armagh by at least 6 and that just isn't going to happen realistically.
In the event of teams finishing on equal points in a Quarter-Final Group, the tie shall be decided by the following means and in the order specified:
(i) Where two Teams only are involved – the outcome of the meeting of the two Teams in the Group
(ii) Score difference – subtracting the total Scores against from the total Scores for.
(iii) Highest Total Score For
(iv) Highest Total Goals For
(v) A Play-OffPresumably though Derry could also beat Westmeath by more than Armagh did.
I'm actually fairly hopeful that we can win on Sunday now and its not because I'm convinced that Armagh have totally got over the Ulster final defeat. It's more got to do with how vulnerable Derry look following their recent championship defeats and their injuries picked up along the way. This time last year Derry were riding the crest of a wave and their support base seemed energised in a way that I hadn't seen them before. However recent defeats (particularly the Donegal one) have seen that feel good factor disappear and their fans were surprisingly very downbeat about their chances prior to the Galway match which transpired to be well placed in hindsight. There are signs of disharmony and indiscipline within their camp and if Mickey Harte suffers another defeat here and they finish 3rd in the group, it will be difficult for them to progress beyond a quarter final. That would be a disastrous way for Derry to end the season given that they were supposed to be Ulsters great hope at the beginning of the year.
I think if we have CD and McEvoy, we've got a shot. Our half back line has been our engine room for this past 2 years.
Speaking to a big Derry head earlier he said they're down to one injury and one suspension so they're getting back on track. How can you say Derry beats Armagh 9 from 10 meetings when it took penalties to beat us previously. Have Armagh not proved they're a decent team who on their day can go toe to toe with the top teams. We all know we're 2-3 players short of competing for Sam but Armagh on their day can turn most teams over, we can also throw a Regi Blinker in there too like.
What i have seen from the eye test so far is everyone is vulnerable and beatable, Dublin look to be the strongest and when they get everyone back fit and firing they will be the team to beat. Every other team from Kerry upwards (in the ratings) has a chance with the luck of the draw and a bit of luck on the day.
Derry similar to Donegal are a very good team, but one we should have absolutely no fear of, will be similar to last year I'm sure and could very well end up a draw again, maybe being at home gives Derry a slight slight advantage.
Quote from: illdecide on May 29, 2024, 03:15:34 PMSpeaking to a big Derry head earlier he said they're down to one injury and one suspension so they're getting back on track. How can you say Derry beats Armagh 9 from 10 meetings when it took penalties to beat us previously. Have Armagh not proved they're a decent team who on their day can go toe to toe with the top teams. We all know we're 2-3 players short of competing for Sam but Armagh on their day can turn most teams over, we can also throw a Regi Blinker in there too like.
What i have seen from the eye test so far is everyone is vulnerable and beatable, Dublin look to be the strongest and when they get everyone back fit and firing they will be the team to beat. Every other team from Kerry upwards (in the ratings) has a chance with the luck of the draw and a bit of luck on the day.
The thing is has Armagh actually got over the line yet in Championship against a team as good or better than the?? They have certainly put it up to teams but until they can fall over the line the doubts will remain. Its a massive game for both teams this weekend and I would put it at 50/50.
Quote from: HiMucker on May 29, 2024, 04:05:58 PMQuote from: illdecide on May 29, 2024, 03:15:34 PMSpeaking to a big Derry head earlier he said they're down to one injury and one suspension so they're getting back on track. How can you say Derry beats Armagh 9 from 10 meetings when it took penalties to beat us previously. Have Armagh not proved they're a decent team who on their day can go toe to toe with the top teams. We all know we're 2-3 players short of competing for Sam but Armagh on their day can turn most teams over, we can also throw a Regi Blinker in there too like.
What i have seen from the eye test so far is everyone is vulnerable and beatable, Dublin look to be the strongest and when they get everyone back fit and firing they will be the team to beat. Every other team from Kerry upwards (in the ratings) has a chance with the luck of the draw and a bit of luck on the day.
The thing is has Armagh actually got over the line yet in Championship against a team as good or better than the?? They have certainly put it up to teams but until they can fall over the line the doubts will remain. Its a massive game for both teams this weekend and I would put it at 50/50.
Yeah the only tight win we've had against a strong team in recent years was that Galway group game. I know we beat Tyrone and Donegal well in 22 but they were both poor at the time
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 29, 2024, 04:29:14 PMYeah the only tight win we've had against a strong team in recent years was that Galway group game. I know we beat Tyrone and Donegal well in 22 but they were both poor at the time
We played Galway one year and it went to penalties and the following year we scrambled a one point win, partly because they had injuries. A similar outcome against Derry will do fine.
That first Galway game, they were in control, and got caught by 2 late goals.
Quote from: armaghniac on May 29, 2024, 02:08:30 PMQuote from: lenny on May 29, 2024, 01:59:37 PMIt's almost impossible now for Derry to top the group. Even if Derry beat Armagh, and Armagh beat Galway, the fact we lost by 5 means we're more than likely gonna miss out on top spot on score difference. We probably have to beat Armagh by at least 6 and that just isn't going to happen realistically.
In the event of teams finishing on equal points in a Quarter-Final Group, the tie shall be decided by the following means and in the order specified:
(i) Where two Teams only are involved – the outcome of the meeting of the two Teams in the Group
(ii) Score difference – subtracting the total Scores against from the total Scores for.
(iii) Highest Total Score For
(iv) Highest Total Goals For
(v) A Play-Off
Presumably though Derry could also beat Westmeath by more than Armagh did.
What about 3 teams finishing on 4 pts?
Quote from: marty34 on May 29, 2024, 05:10:48 PMQuote from: armaghniac on May 29, 2024, 02:08:30 PMQuote from: lenny on May 29, 2024, 01:59:37 PMIt's almost impossible now for Derry to top the group. Even if Derry beat Armagh, and Armagh beat Galway, the fact we lost by 5 means we're more than likely gonna miss out on top spot on score difference. We probably have to beat Armagh by at least 6 and that just isn't going to happen realistically.
In the event of teams finishing on equal points in a Quarter-Final Group, the tie shall be decided by the following means and in the order specified:
(i) Where two Teams only are involved – the outcome of the meeting of the two Teams in the Group
(ii) Score difference – subtracting the total Scores against from the total Scores for.
(iii) Highest Total Score For
(iv) Highest Total Goals For
(v) A Play-Off
Presumably though Derry could also beat Westmeath by more than Armagh did.
What about 3 teams finishing on 4 pts?
Score difference?
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 29, 2024, 05:11:40 PMQuote from: marty34 on May 29, 2024, 05:10:48 PMQuote from: armaghniac on May 29, 2024, 02:08:30 PMQuote from: lenny on May 29, 2024, 01:59:37 PMIt's almost impossible now for Derry to top the group. Even if Derry beat Armagh, and Armagh beat Galway, the fact we lost by 5 means we're more than likely gonna miss out on top spot on score difference. We probably have to beat Armagh by at least 6 and that just isn't going to happen realistically.
In the event of teams finishing on equal points in a Quarter-Final Group, the tie shall be decided by the following means and in the order specified:
(i) Where two Teams only are involved – the outcome of the meeting of the two Teams in the Group
(ii) Score difference – subtracting the total Scores against from the total Scores for.
(iii) Highest Total Score For
(iv) Highest Total Goals For
(v) A Play-Off
Presumably though Derry could also beat Westmeath by more than Armagh did.
What about 3 teams finishing on 4 pts?
Score difference?
Ok. I'm not sure.
3 teams on 4pts could be a possibility.
In the event that two teams or more finish with equal points, but have been affected by a disqualification, loss of game on a proven objection, retirement or walkover, the tie shall be decided by the following means:
(i) Least number of Walkovers given.
(ii) Score Difference from the games in which only the teams involved, (teams tied on points), have played each other (subtracting the total Scores Against from the total Scores For)
(iii) Highest Total Score For, in which only the teams involved have played each other, and have finished equal in (ii)
(iv) Highest Total Goals For, in which only the teams involved have played each other, and have finished equal in (ii) & (iii)
(v) A Play-Off
From opening page on this thread. Fair chance we lose to Derry and beat Galway and everyone beats Westmeath. In that case score difference only from the games between us, Derry and Galway would come into it.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 29, 2024, 05:21:07 PMIn the event that two teams or more finish with equal points, but have been affected by a disqualification, loss of game on a proven objection, retirement or walkover, the tie shall be decided by the following means:
(i) Least number of Walkovers given.
(ii) Score Difference from the games in which only the teams involved, (teams tied on points), have played each other (subtracting the total Scores Against from the total Scores For)
(iii) Highest Total Score For, in which only the teams involved have played each other, and have finished equal in (ii)
(iv) Highest Total Goals For, in which only the teams involved have played each other, and have finished equal in (ii) & (iii)
(v) A Play-Off
From opening page on this thread. Fair chance we lose to Derry and beat Galway and everyone beats Westmeath. In that case score difference only from the games between us, Derry and Galway would come into it.
Thanks Armagh18.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 29, 2024, 05:21:07 PMIn the event that two teams or more finish with equal points, but have been affected by a disqualification, loss of game on a proven objection, retirement or walkover, the tie shall be decided by the following means:
(i) Least number of Walkovers given.
(ii) Score Difference from the games in which only the teams involved, (teams tied on points), have played each other (subtracting the total Scores Against from the total Scores For)
(iii) Highest Total Score For, in which only the teams involved have played each other, and have finished equal in (ii)
(iv) Highest Total Goals For, in which only the teams involved have played each other, and have finished equal in (ii) & (iii)
(v) A Play-Off
From opening page on this thread. Fair chance we lose to Derry and beat Galway and everyone beats Westmeath. In that case score difference only from the games between us, Derry and Galway would come into it.
That's why Derry can't finish top unless we beat Armagh by 6 or 7 points which just won't happen.
Why are you lads quoting the part that deals with Walkovers/Disqualifications?
Here's the relevant section on tie-breakers in league/group formats, (which is more or less the same but the legal eagles like D McK would get upset):
When Teams finish with equal points for Qualification for the Concluding Stages, or for Promotion or Relegation, the tie shall be decided by the following means and in the order specified:
(i) Where two Teams only are involved - the outcome of the meeting of the two Teams in the previous game in the Competition;
(ii) Scoring Difference (subtracting the total Scores Against from total Scores For);
(iii) Highest Total Score For;
(iv) Highest Total Goals For;
(v) A Play-Off
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on May 29, 2024, 10:27:22 PMWhy are you lads quoting the part that deals with Walkovers/Disqualifications?
Here's the relevant section on tie-breakers in league/group formats, (which is more or less the same but the legal eagles like D McK would get upset):
When Teams finish with equal points for Qualification for the Concluding Stages, or for Promotion or Relegation, the tie shall be decided by the following means and in the order specified:
(i) Where two Teams only are involved - the outcome of the meeting of the two Teams in the previous game in the Competition;
(ii) Scoring Difference (subtracting the total Scores Against from total Scores For);
(iii) Highest Total Score For;
(iv) Highest Total Goals For;
(v) A Play-Off
My mistake. Misread when I seen more than 2 teams. Cheers!
Quote from: lenny on May 29, 2024, 10:14:06 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on May 29, 2024, 05:21:07 PMIn the event that two teams or more finish with equal points, but have been affected by a disqualification, loss of game on a proven objection, retirement or walkover, the tie shall be decided by the following means:
(i) Least number of Walkovers given.
(ii) Score Difference from the games in which only the teams involved, (teams tied on points), have played each other (subtracting the total Scores Against from the total Scores For)
(iii) Highest Total Score For, in which only the teams involved have played each other, and have finished equal in (ii)
(iv) Highest Total Goals For, in which only the teams involved have played each other, and have finished equal in (ii) & (iii)
(v) A Play-Off
From opening page on this thread. Fair chance we lose to Derry and beat Galway and everyone beats Westmeath. In that case score difference only from the games between us, Derry and Galway would come into it.
That's why Derry can't finish top unless we beat Armagh by 6 or 7 points which just won't happen.
This thread is repeating itself. As I said above, surely you have the option of beating Westmeath by 8 or 9 points instead?
Quote from: armaghniac on May 29, 2024, 10:59:52 PMQuote from: lenny on May 29, 2024, 10:14:06 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on May 29, 2024, 05:21:07 PMIn the event that two teams or more finish with equal points, but have been affected by a disqualification, loss of game on a proven objection, retirement or walkover, the tie shall be decided by the following means:
(i) Least number of Walkovers given.
(ii) Score Difference from the games in which only the teams involved, (teams tied on points), have played each other (subtracting the total Scores Against from the total Scores For)
(iii) Highest Total Score For, in which only the teams involved have played each other, and have finished equal in (ii)
(iv) Highest Total Goals For, in which only the teams involved have played each other, and have finished equal in (ii) & (iii)
(v) A Play-Off
From opening page on this thread. Fair chance we lose to Derry and beat Galway and everyone beats Westmeath. In that case score difference only from the games between us, Derry and Galway would come into it.
That's why Derry can't finish top unless we beat Armagh by 6 or 7 points which just won't happen.
This thread is repeating itself. As I said above, surely you have the option of beating Westmeath by 8 or 9 points instead?
I think the scenario being talked about is one where Derry, Galway and Armagh all beat Westmeath & all end up on 4 points.
Results against Westmeath then don't count in terms of the scoring average calculation - so it wouldn't matter how much they beat Westmeath by.
Quote from: galwayman on May 29, 2024, 11:11:40 PMQuote from: armaghniac on May 29, 2024, 10:59:52 PMQuote from: lenny on May 29, 2024, 10:14:06 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on May 29, 2024, 05:21:07 PMIn the event that two teams or more finish with equal points, but have been affected by a disqualification, loss of game on a proven objection, retirement or walkover, the tie shall be decided by the following means:
(i) Least number of Walkovers given.
(ii) Score Difference from the games in which only the teams involved, (teams tied on points), have played each other (subtracting the total Scores Against from the total Scores For)
(iii) Highest Total Score For, in which only the teams involved have played each other, and have finished equal in (ii)
(iv) Highest Total Goals For, in which only the teams involved have played each other, and have finished equal in (ii) & (iii)
(v) A Play-Off
From opening page on this thread. Fair chance we lose to Derry and beat Galway and everyone beats Westmeath. In that case score difference only from the games between us, Derry and Galway would come into it.
That's why Derry can't finish top unless we beat Armagh by 6 or 7 points which just won't happen.
This thread is repeating itself. As I said above, surely you have the option of beating Westmeath by 8 or 9 points instead?
I think the scenario being talked about is one where Derry, Galway and Armagh all beat Westmeath & all end up on 4 points.
Results against Westmeath then don't count in terms of the scoring average calculation - so it wouldn't matter how much they beat Westmeath by.
Fair enough, that is written there, which was a clue.
Quote from: armaghniac on May 29, 2024, 11:33:12 PMQuote from: galwayman on May 29, 2024, 11:11:40 PMQuote from: armaghniac on May 29, 2024, 10:59:52 PMQuote from: lenny on May 29, 2024, 10:14:06 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on May 29, 2024, 05:21:07 PMIn the event that two teams or more finish with equal points, but have been affected by a disqualification, loss of game on a proven objection, retirement or walkover, the tie shall be decided by the following means:
(i) Least number of Walkovers given.
(ii) Score Difference from the games in which only the teams involved, (teams tied on points), have played each other (subtracting the total Scores Against from the total Scores For)
(iii) Highest Total Score For, in which only the teams involved have played each other, and have finished equal in (ii)
(iv) Highest Total Goals For, in which only the teams involved have played each other, and have finished equal in (ii) & (iii)
(v) A Play-Off
From opening page on this thread. Fair chance we lose to Derry and beat Galway and everyone beats Westmeath. In that case score difference only from the games between us, Derry and Galway would come into it.
That's why Derry can't finish top unless we beat Armagh by 6 or 7 points which just won't happen.
This thread is repeating itself. As I said above, surely you have the option of beating Westmeath by 8 or 9 points instead?
I think the scenario being talked about is one where Derry, Galway and Armagh all beat Westmeath & all end up on 4 points.
Results against Westmeath then don't count in terms of the scoring average calculation - so it wouldn't matter how much they beat Westmeath by.
Fair enough, that is written there, which was a clue.
Not true...you are still referencing walkover scenario.
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on May 30, 2024, 12:23:02 AMNot true...you are still referencing walkover scenario.
I think I'll go to bed, especially as I posted the rules in #361 and identified that the Westmeath score was relevant at that point. But then lost confidence in my own post.
(ii) Scoring Difference (subtracting the total Scores Against from total Scores For);
Westmeath will not be easily hammered, and given that they almost beat Tyrone in the last game last year they will hang on to the end. At minimum they will determine second and third place and that could be material.
Quote from: armaghniac on May 30, 2024, 12:29:23 AMQuote from: GAABoardMod5 on May 30, 2024, 12:23:02 AMNot true...you are still referencing walkover scenario.
I think I'll go to bed, especially as I posted the rules in #361 and identified that the Westmeath score was relevant at that point. But then lost confidence in my own post.
(ii) Scoring Difference (subtracting the total Scores Against from total Scores For);
Westmeath will not be easily hammered, and given that they almost beat Tyrone in the last game last year they will hang on to the end. At minimum they will determine second and third place and that could be material.
Yes think it's only in walkover scenario that score difference is based on the results between teams involved.
The other point is that people are being very quick to write Westmeath off here, unless Galway's walking wounded from the last day (and before) are all back, I think their trip to Mullingar this Sunday could be pretty tricky!!
Absolutely - Westmeath will be a very tricky game for us. Looks like we won't have Comer or Finnerty.
They were the two that dragged us over the line in Sligo.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 29, 2024, 05:21:07 PMIn the event that two teams or more finish with equal points, but have been affected by a disqualification, loss of game on a proven objection, retirement or walkover, the tie shall be decided by the following means:
(i) Least number of Walkovers given.
(ii) Score Difference from the games in which only the teams involved, (teams tied on points), have played each other (subtracting the total Scores Against from the total Scores For)
(iii) Highest Total Score For, in which only the teams involved have played each other, and have finished equal in (ii)
(iv) Highest Total Goals For, in which only the teams involved have played each other, and have finished equal in (ii) & (iii)
(v) A Play-Off
From opening page on this thread. Fair chance we lose to Derry and beat Galway and everyone beats Westmeath. In that case score difference only from the games between us, Derry and Galway would come into it.
Heh?
Surely that's only in the event of a 'disqualification, loss of game on a proven objection, retirement or walkover' if I'm reading this correctly.
Quote from: Keyser soze on May 30, 2024, 10:42:49 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on May 29, 2024, 05:21:07 PMIn the event that two teams or more finish with equal points, but have been affected by a disqualification, loss of game on a proven objection, retirement or walkover, the tie shall be decided by the following means:
(i) Least number of Walkovers given.
(ii) Score Difference from the games in which only the teams involved, (teams tied on points), have played each other (subtracting the total Scores Against from the total Scores For)
(iii) Highest Total Score For, in which only the teams involved have played each other, and have finished equal in (ii)
(iv) Highest Total Goals For, in which only the teams involved have played each other, and have finished equal in (ii) & (iii)
(v) A Play-Off
From opening page on this thread. Fair chance we lose to Derry and beat Galway and everyone beats Westmeath. In that case score difference only from the games between us, Derry and Galway would come into it.
Heh?
Surely that's only in the event of a 'disqualification, loss of game on a proven objection, retirement or walkover' if I'm reading this correctly.
Yeah my mistake.
Looks like the injury imp has struck yet again for Galway. Seems like they will be down a few big players at the weekend and maybe beyond.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on May 30, 2024, 11:57:15 AMLooks like the injury imp has struck yet again for Galway. Seems like they will be down a few big players at the weekend and maybe beyond.
Whos out?
Rumour was Comer hamstring? Any truth to it? Or any more on top?
Hard to find out much info up here but rumour is both Comer and Finnerty are out.
Have heard conflicting reports as to how serious each injury is so who knows.
Quote from: galwayman on May 30, 2024, 01:15:44 PMHard to find out much info up here but rumour is both Comer and Finnerty are out.
Have heard conflicting reports as to how serious each injury is so who knows.
Comer in particular would be a huge loss for Galway - he's one of those players you love to watch playing.
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 30, 2024, 01:53:59 PMQuote from: galwayman on May 30, 2024, 01:15:44 PMHard to find out much info up here but rumour is both Comer and Finnerty are out.
Have heard conflicting reports as to how serious each injury is so who knows.
Comer in particular would be a huge loss for Galway - he's one of those players you love to watch playing.
We just don't seem to perform at all when Comer is not there.
He is the absolute key man in this team.
Is his injury from that stamp? He's injury prone anyway but to be injured from that act must be infuriating.
Quote from: galwayman on May 30, 2024, 02:30:48 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on May 30, 2024, 01:53:59 PMQuote from: galwayman on May 30, 2024, 01:15:44 PMHard to find out much info up here but rumour is both Comer and Finnerty are out.
Have heard conflicting reports as to how serious each injury is so who knows.
Comer in particular would be a huge loss for Galway - he's one of those players you love to watch playing.
We just don't seem to perform at all when Comer is not there.
He is the absolute key man in this team.
Yes Galway a different team with or without Comer. Finnertys form in the last few games was probably the best and most consistent he's played for Galway seniors.
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 30, 2024, 02:38:24 PMQuote from: galwayman on May 30, 2024, 02:30:48 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on May 30, 2024, 01:53:59 PMQuote from: galwayman on May 30, 2024, 01:15:44 PMHard to find out much info up here but rumour is both Comer and Finnerty are out.
Have heard conflicting reports as to how serious each injury is so who knows.
Comer in particular would be a huge loss for Galway - he's one of those players you love to watch playing.
We just don't seem to perform at all when Comer is not there.
He is the absolute key man in this team.
Yes Galway a different team with or without Comer. Finnertys form in the last few games was probably the best and most consistent he's played for Galway seniors.
Finnerty was excellent in Sigerson a few years ago good to see him stepping up.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 30, 2024, 02:32:49 PMIs his injury from that stamp? He's injury prone anyway but to be injured from that act must be infuriating.
Hamstring apparently.
Rian O'Neill & Murnin both out for a few weeks for Armagh.
Oneill bad injury v Donegal
Murnin taken out by Westmeath, to which McGeeny alluded to in his post-match interviews.
In Derry's hands now IMHO
Derry have lost their entire half back line. Murnin a big loss - I think Armagh have learnt how to cope without O'Neill more.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 30, 2024, 03:38:10 PMDerry have lost their entire half back line. Murnin a big loss - I think Armagh have learnt how to cope without O'Neill more.
This game is becoming more of a toss up the closer it gets.
Armagh without O'Neill and Murnin will struggle.
Derry without their half back line will struggle as its the basis for a lot of our attacks.
I'd wait for a better source before ruling out any Armagh man. (Bar Conor O'Neill)
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 30, 2024, 04:29:17 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on May 30, 2024, 03:38:10 PMDerry have lost their entire half back line. Murnin a big loss - I think Armagh have learnt how to cope without O'Neill more.
This game is becoming more of a toss up the closer it gets.
Armagh without O'Neill and Murnin will struggle.
Derry without their half back line will struggle as its the basis for a lot of our attacks.
Yeh I did think that Galway would maybe beat Derry but this game is up in the air. Which derry will you get and which armagh will you get. Hard to know.
Quote from: 5times5times on May 30, 2024, 03:21:11 PMRian O'Neill & Murnin both out for a few weeks for Armagh.
Oneill bad injury v Donegal
Murnin taken out by Westmeath, to which McGeeny alluded to in his post-match interviews.
In Derry's hands now IMHO
Would love to know your source
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 30, 2024, 04:29:17 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on May 30, 2024, 03:38:10 PMDerry have lost their entire half back line. Murnin a big loss - I think Armagh have learnt how to cope without O'Neill more.
This game is becoming more of a toss up the closer it gets.
Armagh without O'Neill and Murnin will struggle.
Derry without their half back line will struggle as its the basis for a lot of our attacks.
Armagh could win this game by 5 or 6
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Will this be the starting team though...
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Will this be the starting team though...
Emmet Bradley not be wing back anyway
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There were a few stand tickets on Ticketmaster earlier, if this is of interest.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 30, 2024, 10:02:31 PMQuote from: screenexile on May 30, 2024, 09:59:01 PM(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GO2qtuZXgAAxJhH.jpg)
Will this be the starting team though...
Emmet Bradley not be wing back anyway
Might be the starting players, but yeah I can't see bradley at wind back.
Couple of players on the bench there that I'd heard had dropped off the panel...so might have heard wrong OR this is a made up team sheet.
Dropped of the panel, have they even enough for 30 for training?
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Would hope mc cabe starts.
Quote from: naka on May 31, 2024, 08:46:19 AMQuote from: armaghniac on May 30, 2024, 10:31:33 PM(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GO2yxvnXIAAdZk1?format=jpg&name=small)
Would hope mc cabe starts.
Not sure who drops out for him though. Same with Oisin O'Neill and Nugent both definitely deserve starts.
Someone stated that Murnin and O'Neill both out injured and both are named in the starting 15, KMcG could be bluffing too off course. Should be a tight game and wouldn't rule out a draw, if Armagh can keep Shane McGuigan quiet they have a chance but that's pretty hard to do as he's a class act TBF.
Haven't bought a ticket yet and won't decide until tomorrow due to a few factors so hoping it's not too late, i've heard ticket sales are slow enough so far so hopefully it's not an issue
2 strong looking teams. I honestly think Chrissy McKaigue is the far side of good and is there to be exposed, I'd put Conaty in there directly on him. Less pressure on Armagh, so I imagine we'll try and frustrate Derry for a long time before we come out to play.
Quote from: illdecide on May 31, 2024, 09:20:41 AMSomeone stated that Murnin and O'Neill both out injured and both are named in the starting 15, KMcG could be bluffing too off course. Should be a tight game and wouldn't rule out a draw, if Armagh can keep Shane McGuigan quiet they have a chance but that's pretty hard to do as he's a class act TBF.
Haven't bought a ticket yet and won't decide until tomorrow due to a few factors so hoping it's not too late, i've heard ticket sales are slow enough so far so hopefully it's not an issue
Im in the same boat as you re ticket tho it is payday today so will have a look when I get home. It was an expensive May
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 31, 2024, 10:08:21 AMQuote from: illdecide on May 31, 2024, 09:20:41 AMSomeone stated that Murnin and O'Neill both out injured and both are named in the starting 15, KMcG could be bluffing too off course. Should be a tight game and wouldn't rule out a draw, if Armagh can keep Shane McGuigan quiet they have a chance but that's pretty hard to do as he's a class act TBF.
Haven't bought a ticket yet and won't decide until tomorrow due to a few factors so hoping it's not too late, i've heard ticket sales are slow enough so far so hopefully it's not an issue
Im in the same boat as you re ticket tho it is payday today so will have a look when I get home. It was an expensive May
Every month these days is like January!
Quote from: JoG2 on May 31, 2024, 10:32:46 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on May 31, 2024, 10:08:21 AMQuote from: illdecide on May 31, 2024, 09:20:41 AMSomeone stated that Murnin and O'Neill both out injured and both are named in the starting 15, KMcG could be bluffing too off course. Should be a tight game and wouldn't rule out a draw, if Armagh can keep Shane McGuigan quiet they have a chance but that's pretty hard to do as he's a class act TBF.
Haven't bought a ticket yet and won't decide until tomorrow due to a few factors so hoping it's not too late, i've heard ticket sales are slow enough so far so hopefully it's not an issue
Im in the same boat as you re ticket tho it is payday today so will have a look when I get home. It was an expensive May
Every month these days is like January!
Ah partly my own fault as I had a couple of gigs tho it was the better halfs birthday and her sister's 40th in May also
No Kelly, Finnerty or Comer for Galway, though Tierney and McDaid are back in the starting 15.
Quote from: Estimator on May 31, 2024, 12:16:36 PMNo Kelly, Finnerty or Comer for Galway, though Tierney and McDaid are back in the starting 15.
They'll get it tight.
Quote from: bennydorano on May 31, 2024, 10:07:20 AM2 strong looking teams. I honestly think Chrissy McKaigue is the far side of good and is there to be exposed, I'd put Conaty in there directly on him. Less pressure on Armagh, so I imagine we'll try and frustrate Derry for a long time before we come out to play.
People say this a lot but he rarely gets exposed. Gallen gave him bother last year but I can't think of anyone since and he's marked some top players in that time.
Quote from: Mario on May 31, 2024, 02:06:49 PMQuote from: bennydorano on May 31, 2024, 10:07:20 AM2 strong looking teams. I honestly think Chrissy McKaigue is the far side of good and is there to be exposed, I'd put Conaty in there directly on him. Less pressure on Armagh, so I imagine we'll try and frustrate Derry for a long time before we come out to play.
People say this a lot but he rarely gets exposed. Gallen gave him bother last year but I can't think of anyone since and he's marked some top players in that time.
Big game player, always organising and has serious drive. Couple more years left in him.
I think the Armagh bench could be the winning of this game.
Armagh's game to lose
Quote from: ardtole on May 31, 2024, 03:07:36 PMI think the Armagh bench could be the winning of this game.
Hopefully.
Quote from: ardtole on May 31, 2024, 03:07:36 PMI think the Armagh bench could be the winning of this game.
So you would think, that good experienced fresh players coming on should help, but we did not push on in the Donegal game. Hopefully, they will this time.
Quote from: JoG2 on May 31, 2024, 03:12:51 PMArmagh's game to lose
It's a 50/50 game
If we get a draw we will be happy
As bad as the Ulster Final loss was; it was the first time I've eatched that Armagh team and thought this is a proper side.
They outplayed Donegal that day for large parts but just couldn't fall over the line.
If they have belief this weekend they could really put a fragile Derry side to the the sword.
If Derry can stay within 5 points of Armagh until the 55th minute they will be fine as Armagh are always guaranteed to flop.
Losing this game technically doesn't make much of a difference to Derry although they will lose confidence. If they finish 3rd they will probably play Tyrone, Louth or Mayo away. I would fancy them to beat Tyrone or Louth. I actually had a dream that Derry played Mayo in the preliminary and won by 2 points.
Quote from: ardtole on May 31, 2024, 03:07:36 PMI think the Armagh bench could be the winning of this game.
But only if they actually come on though
Went on to Ticketmaster last night to buy my ticket. Seen stand available so tried to buy one. Each option wouldn't allow me to buy a single ticket. Said unavailable. When I went to but 2 they were somehow available. Ended up getting a terrace ticket. Joke
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 01, 2024, 01:20:07 PMWent on to Ticketmaster last night to buy my ticket. Seen stand available so tried to buy one. Each option wouldn't allow me to buy a single ticket. Said unavailable. When I went to but 2 they were somehow available. Ended up getting a terrace ticket. Joke
At this stage you're better off in the terrace Tonto, hard watching a game stuck in the far corners of the seated stand
If rumours are trueMackin with a season ending injury is a big blow to Armagh
The lad has no luck.
Quote from: naka on June 02, 2024, 10:34:16 AMIf rumours are trueMackin with a season ending injury is a big blow to Armagh
The lad has no luck.
Ciaran?
Quote from: statto on June 02, 2024, 11:34:08 AMQuote from: naka on June 02, 2024, 10:34:16 AMIf rumours are trueMackin with a season ending injury is a big blow to Armagh
The lad has no luck.
Ciaran?
Yip same injury as his sisters
Massive loss and probably swings it back to Derry now to be honest.
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 02, 2024, 12:15:16 PMMassive loss and probably swings it back to Derry now to be honest.
Still think this will end up a draw
Quote from: naka on June 02, 2024, 12:50:35 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on June 02, 2024, 12:15:16 PMMassive loss and probably swings it back to Derry now to be honest.
Still think this will end up a draw
Ladbroke had 16/1 Armagh ahead at half time and draw.
Hernon starts for O Conghaile.
Why are we playing so many backs and midfielders - I don't understand it.
Walsh and Tierney are the only two of the six you'd day is a forward.
And I'd argue Tierney is probably most effective as a midfielder
Quote from: galwayman on June 02, 2024, 03:22:47 PMHernon starts for O Conghaile.
Why are we playing so many backs and midfielders - I don't understand it.
Walsh and Tierney are the only two of the six you'd day is a forward.
And I'd argue Tierney is probably most effective as a midfielder
Westmeath one point in front at half time.
Hope all the Armagh lads getting stuck into McKinless last day out recognise what Mackin just did to Glass.
Dirty action on Conor Glass and Mackin is a lucky boy it wasn't spotted.
Can never understand why players do stupid things like this. Risk a sending of to tap a player is crazy
Goal for Armagh from a good turn over. 1-3 to 0-3
Only hope for Derry is Armaghs trampy behaviour getting them a silly red card now
Armagh never seem to learn the term controlled aggression. There will be a sending off if they dont calm down
Quote from: Rebel84 on June 02, 2024, 04:10:23 PMDirty action on Conor Glass and Mackin is a lucky boy it wasn't spotted.
Should be off the field.Good game this.
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on June 02, 2024, 04:09:05 PMHope all the Armagh lads getting stuck into McKinless last day out recognise what Mackin just did to Glass.
Wasn't remotely as bad, Glass would barely have felt it. But very stupid and very lucky not to be a red card.
Another goal for Armagh on the counter attack. 2-3 to 0-4
Got to love the complete stupid stubbornness of mickey harte in keeping the keeper up the field.
We have been shit but that was a stone wall penalty there!!
Half time Derry 0-6 Armagh 2-8.
Correct HiMucker, trying to follow a few games at the same.
A shadow of a team Derry were embarrassing that half!
Goals winning this game so far for Armagh. Big 2nd half ahead and Derry have the advantage having not played last weekend.
Best I've seen Armagh play in ages, mcgeeney letting the shackles off at last
Could easily have been 4 goals had Armagh been more ruthless. Well worth their lead
Excellent first half from Armagh fully deserve to be ahead.McCambridge doing a great job on mcguigan,Kelly,conaty and turbitt going well in forward line.brilliant turnover from tk for first goal.
Derry incredibly sloppy. Marty attributing misplaced passes to Armagh pressure where there was none at all - he does some amount of blathering.
Great half by Armagh, just how big is the wind tho? Getting a lot of chat on RTE Commentary and we know Armagh don't hold big leads well! We should be further ahead as well
Derry abysmal, getting wiped everywhere, McGuigans history of being a total diver probably coming back on him today.
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on June 02, 2024, 04:09:05 PMHope all the Armagh lads getting stuck into McKinless last day out recognise what Mackin just did to Glass.
Surely the Derry man pushed Mackin into Glass?
FT Galway 1-12 Weathmeath 0-11. A shane Walsh goal on 66 minutes gave Galway a 1-10 to 0-10 lead.
What did Mackin do in glass ?
Jeez! Sean Cavanagh excited! #lovingit
Brolly will be going ballistic. ;D Well done agent Harte.
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on June 02, 2024, 04:09:05 PMHope all the Armagh lads getting stuck into McKinless last day out recognise what Mackin just did to Glass.
very little.
Quote from: DuffleKing on June 02, 2024, 04:43:09 PMQuote from: 93-DY-SAM on June 02, 2024, 04:09:05 PMHope all the Armagh lads getting stuck into McKinless last day out recognise what Mackin just did to Glass.
Surely the Derry man pushed Mackin into Glass?
100%.
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 02, 2024, 04:50:23 PMQuote from: DuffleKing on June 02, 2024, 04:43:09 PMQuote from: 93-DY-SAM on June 02, 2024, 04:09:05 PMHope all the Armagh lads getting stuck into McKinless last day out recognise what Mackin just did to Glass.
Surely the Derry man pushed Mackin into Glass?
100%.
Ah, now don't be ridiculous. The push did not force the kick. It was 100% deliberate but didn't cause any damage. 100% technical red card offence and completely stupid act that could well have turned the game on its head. When McGeeney sees it on replay he will rip into Mackin.
Mackin won't be playing the next couple of games if the cccccccc get involved
Looks like derry are now the trouble makers
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 02, 2024, 05:08:15 PMLooks like derry are now the trouble makers
Seasons over so might as well
McFaul is being targeted something shocking here!
Mcfaul only on 10 mins and a yellow already. Completely stupid
Quote from: screenexile on June 02, 2024, 05:09:43 PMMcFaul is being targeted something shocking here!
Ah come on. He is throwing himself about here.
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 02, 2024, 05:10:19 PMQuote from: screenexile on June 02, 2024, 05:09:43 PMMcFaul is being targeted something shocking here!
Ah come on. He is throwing himself about here.
Every run he makes is being checked!
Quote from: screenexile on June 02, 2024, 05:10:57 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on June 02, 2024, 05:10:19 PMQuote from: screenexile on June 02, 2024, 05:09:43 PMMcFaul is being targeted something shocking here!
Ah come on. He is throwing himself about here.
Every run he makes is being checked!
Was he checked when he came on and started throwing himself into an armagh man. Was he checker when he threw the leg into an armagh man on the ground and got the free brought forward. No is the answer.
A 3rd goal for Armagh 3-10 to 0-11 53 minutes.
Derry look like a gather up here. Failings of Donegal haven't been sorted which is criminal at this level.
You shouldn't be conceding goal chances every time the opposition gains a clean catch!
Quote from: DuffleKing on June 02, 2024, 04:43:09 PMQuote from: 93-DY-SAM on June 02, 2024, 04:09:05 PMHope all the Armagh lads getting stuck into McKinless last day out recognise what Mackin just did to Glass.
Surely the Derry man pushed Mackin into Glass?
he knew what was at regardless.
Start of the match i would have bet the mortgage it would be armagh with a player off
Quote from: screenexile on June 02, 2024, 05:09:43 PMMcFaul is being targeted something shocking here!
Catch yourself on Derry don't be targetting O'Neill every time play each other?
Quote from: statto on June 02, 2024, 05:20:30 PMQuote from: DuffleKing on June 02, 2024, 04:43:09 PMQuote from: 93-DY-SAM on June 02, 2024, 04:09:05 PMHope all the Armagh lads getting stuck into McKinless last day out recognise what Mackin just did to Glass.
Surely the Derry man pushed Mackin into Glass?
he knew what was at regardless.
Agree
Wonder if Derry could do a Babs Keating and sack Mickey Harte.
Just goes to prove, the League is worth F*** all.
Very dopey tackle to make when you are on a yellow
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 02, 2024, 05:21:15 PMStart of the match i would have bet the mortgage it would be armagh with a player off
Have you never seen hot head mcfaul play?
An incredible meltdown from a team that were being tipped by many as All Ireland contenders..
Quote from: DuffleKing on June 02, 2024, 04:43:09 PMQuote from: 93-DY-SAM on June 02, 2024, 04:09:05 PMHope all the Armagh lads getting stuck into McKinless last day out recognise what Mackin just did to Glass.
Surely the Derry man pushed Mackin into Glass?
;D ;D ;D That's a cracker
Quote from: HiMucker on June 02, 2024, 05:24:20 PMQuote from: DuffleKing on June 02, 2024, 04:43:09 PMQuote from: 93-DY-SAM on June 02, 2024, 04:09:05 PMHope all the Armagh lads getting stuck into McKinless last day out recognise what Mackin just did to Glass.
Surely the Derry man pushed Mackin into Glass?
;D ;D ;D That's a cracker
It'll be enough for the CCCC...
Armagh excellent, especially around the midfield battle but god Derry have been pathetic. Very little learnt, if anything from the Donegal game.
I wouldn't be fancying our chances against Westmeath going on the showings in the championship so far.
FT Derry 0-15 Armagh 3-17
Will Geezer get any credit for the win?
Quote from: DuffleKing on June 02, 2024, 05:25:39 PMQuote from: HiMucker on June 02, 2024, 05:24:20 PMQuote from: DuffleKing on June 02, 2024, 04:43:09 PMQuote from: 93-DY-SAM on June 02, 2024, 04:09:05 PMHope all the Armagh lads getting stuck into McKinless last day out recognise what Mackin just did to Glass.
Surely the Derry man pushed Mackin into Glass?
;D ;D ;D That's a cracker
It'll be enough for the CCCC...
Absolutely. Ridiculously stupid from Murray and nothing will come of it.
McFaul was acting the **** from the moment he came on.
Quote from: gallsman on June 02, 2024, 05:38:09 PMQuote from: DuffleKing on June 02, 2024, 05:25:39 PMQuote from: HiMucker on June 02, 2024, 05:24:20 PMQuote from: DuffleKing on June 02, 2024, 04:43:09 PMQuote from: 93-DY-SAM on June 02, 2024, 04:09:05 PMHope all the Armagh lads getting stuck into McKinless last day out recognise what Mackin just did to Glass.
Surely the Derry man pushed Mackin into Glass?
;D ;D ;D That's a cracker
It'll be enough for the CCCC...
Absolutely. Ridiculously stupid from Murray and nothing will come of it.
McFaul was acting the **** from the moment he came on.
Should McCaul be allowed to play given the stuff he was at off the field? He seems to have got off lightly compared to Gallagher.
Very good Armagh.
Return to base Agent Mickey. Your mission is complete.
Quote from: statto on June 02, 2024, 05:37:42 PMWill Geezer get any credit for the win?
Know the score, he gets no credit for any win and blamed for any defeat.
That was surprisingly easy win for Armagh, Galway next should be a much tougher challenge and reward for the winner is straight into the Quarter final.
That was brilliant from Armagh. No silly shit. No staying just in front. Just owned the game.
They have the potential to that against anyone apart from Dublin. But it's still their best approach to beating Dublin.
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 02, 2024, 05:39:45 PMQuote from: gallsman on June 02, 2024, 05:38:09 PMQuote from: DuffleKing on June 02, 2024, 05:25:39 PMQuote from: HiMucker on June 02, 2024, 05:24:20 PMQuote from: DuffleKing on June 02, 2024, 04:43:09 PMQuote from: 93-DY-SAM on June 02, 2024, 04:09:05 PMHope all the Armagh lads getting stuck into McKinless last day out recognise what Mackin just did to Glass.
Surely the Derry man pushed Mackin into Glass?
;D ;D ;D That's a cracker
It'll be enough for the CCCC...
Absolutely. Ridiculously stupid from Murray and nothing will come of it.
McFaul was acting the **** from the moment he came on.
Should McCaul be allowed to play given the stuff he was at off the field? He seems to have got off lightly compared to Gallagher.
Horrible man. Showed it immediately as soon as he stepped on the pitch.
Will Derry go back for Rory? #exhonerated
Derry Facebook ahve the comments turned off they know there is going to be a backlash against the Tyrone man :-X
There's two Mayo lads consistently posting that teams are at a serious disadvantage if they have to play one game a week. What absolutely nonsense!!
Playing last week did Armagh zero harm and Derry getting an extra week off did them no good.
Derry need a reset. If I was Harte, for the Westmeath game I'd say here are my best 15, but I'm going to deliberately leave 5 of them on the bench (mostly Glas lads ), give other lads a chance, and have a mighty bench.
Great performance, factor in Derry on free fall, but as good as I've seen them play in years. Concern might be that it's too much too early.
Well done all involved, particularly management. Got the match ups right and made changes at the right time.
Quote from: Hound on June 02, 2024, 05:59:31 PMThere's two Mayo lads consistently posting that teams are at a serious disadvantage if they have to play one game a week. What absolutely nonsense!!
Playing last week did Armagh zero harm and Derry getting an extra week off did them no good.
Derry need a reset. If I was Harte, for the Westmeath game I'd say here are my best 15, but I'm going to deliberately leave 5 of them on the bench (mostly Glas lads ), give other lads a chance, and have a mighty bench.
There's significant drop off between the starting players today for Derry and what they have in reserve.This is a knock out championship game against a team who pushed Galway all the way today, I don't think Derry can afford to do that Westmeath in two weeks isn't a gimme for a team who's on the floor.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 02, 2024, 06:01:39 PMGreat performance, factor in Derry on free fall, but as good as I've seen them play in years. Concern might be that it's too much too early.
Well done all involved, particularly management. Got the match ups right and made changes at the right time.
Putting three big men grimley O Neill crealey across the middle great call and helped to completely dominate kickouts.Delighted for big Niall given the personal tragedy he's went through a few months back.
Quote from: Hound on June 02, 2024, 05:59:31 PMThere's two Mayo lads consistently posting that teams are at a serious disadvantage if they have to play one game a week. What absolutely nonsense!!
Playing last week did Armagh zero harm and Derry getting an extra week off did them no good.
Derry need a reset. If I was Harte, for the Westmeath game I'd say here are my best 15, but I'm going to deliberately leave 5 of them on the bench (mostly Glas lads ), give other lads a chance, and have a mighty bench.
One of them (Mayo)is myself and it totally holds up, especially if you had an intense game the week before. I know as a Dublin follower you have hardly ever experienced this and thus oblivious to the affects.
Quote from: Hound on June 02, 2024, 05:59:31 PMThere's two Mayo lads consistently posting that teams are at a serious disadvantage if they have to play one game a week. What absolutely nonsense!!
Playing last week did Armagh zero harm and Derry getting an extra week off did them no good.
Derry need a reset. If I was Harte, for the Westmeath game I'd say here are my best 15, but I'm going to deliberately leave 5 of them on the bench (mostly Glas lads ), give other lads a chance, and have a mighty bench.
Wouldn't call it nonsense but today highlights that Armagh are motoring nicely while Derry are in bad shape mentally and physically at moment, that Donegal match and manner of defeat has been a big turning point for them.
McGeeney just now confirmed the ACL injury for Ciaran Mackin hopefully a full and speedy recovery for him.
Derry bollixed for the year. Am surprised all the issues in Portugal never got outside the county. Not sure if it was showing it on tv, but the Armagh men were taking turns to rattle McFaul from the minute he came on
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 02, 2024, 06:15:44 PMDerry bollixed for the year. Am surprised all the issues in Portugal never got outside the county. Not sure if it was showing it on tv, but the Armagh men were taking turns to rattle McFaul from the minute he came on
And he fell for it hook, line and sinker, the eejit.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 02, 2024, 06:15:44 PMDerry bollixed for the year. Am surprised all the issues in Portugal never got outside the county. Not sure if it was showing it on tv, but the Armagh men were taking turns to rattle McFaul from the minute he came on
Derry ones doing the same to ONeill
It was a strong performance from
Armagh which augurs well for the season .
We have a fair few coming into form .
If we get over Galway we could get to a semi final .
Well done Armagh , great win .. bossed the game from start to finish . Good momentum built up now going into the Galway game which we can Hfully win.
Special mention for niall Grimley ... outstanding , has to be close to morn on that performance . Delighted for himself and the family after that
Onwards and upwards , up armagh
Great win for Armagh, especially considering the double blow of losing Mackin & Murnin, hopefully murnin makes it back sharpish. Was good to see Ross McQuillan getting some serious game time ( due to an unfortunate injury to McGrane), McQuillan's pace increased the pressure more.
Ben Crealey was awesome and would've been my MOTM, criminally underrated MFer. A lot of excellent performances throughout the pitch, amazing to think it's taken this long to give Rian O'Neill his preferred role in midfield, he's revelling in it and I think it's helping Turbit that he's not in on top of him all the time. Turbitt and Conaty both excellent, Derry defence there for the taking all day. Aaron McKay is just so solid every single game, he is our barely noticed bedrock - I pray he stays fit & healthy.
All not good in the penaltykickchamps camp by the looks of it. Strength in depth is non existent but some superstar players made to look extremely ordinary all day - but that's probably doing ourselves a disservice, we were just much better everywhere.
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 02, 2024, 05:47:37 PMQuote from: nrico2006 on June 02, 2024, 05:39:45 PMQuote from: gallsman on June 02, 2024, 05:38:09 PMQuote from: DuffleKing on June 02, 2024, 05:25:39 PMQuote from: HiMucker on June 02, 2024, 05:24:20 PMQuote from: DuffleKing on June 02, 2024, 04:43:09 PMQuote from: 93-DY-SAM on June 02, 2024, 04:09:05 PMHope all the Armagh lads getting stuck into McKinless last day out recognise what Mackin just did to Glass.
Surely the Derry man pushed Mackin into Glass?
;D ;D ;D That's a cracker
It'll be enough for the CCCC...
Absolutely. Ridiculously stupid from Murray and nothing will come of it.
McFaul was acting the **** from the moment he came on.
Should McCaul be allowed to play given the stuff he was at off the field? He seems to have got off lightly compared to Gallagher.
Horrible man. Showed it immediately as soon as he stepped on the pitch.
Awk not really. Getting stuck in and Grimley didn't back off, lighter job would have suited McFaul to be honest.
Absolute shambles of a performance.
Goals win games, that's 9 conceded and 0 scored in 3 Championship games.
People in the crowd still blaming Lynch despite the fact the ball is being turned over inside the opposition 45.
First two goals were criminal mistakes from McCloskey and Rogers.
Two weeks to the Westmeath game, wouldn't be surprised to see a few more defections.
Why was Lynch even off his line though.
Creeley was my MOTM as well. Thought he was terrific.
Quote from: gallsman on June 02, 2024, 06:41:56 PMCreeley was my MOTM as well. Thought he was terrific.
brilliant. Hard to pick anyone out tbh, Turbo, TK, Grimley, Crealey sll excellent
Quote from: Estimator on June 02, 2024, 06:39:00 PMAbsolute shambles of a performance.
Goals win games, that's 9 conceded and 0 scored in 3 Championship games.
People in the crowd still blaming Lynch despite the fact the ball is being turned over inside the opposition 45.
First two goals were criminal mistakes from McCloskey and Rogers.
Two weeks to the Westmeath game, wouldn't be surprised to see a few more defections.
A keeper has zero chance of saving a shot after scrambling back towards his own line
Harte defending his man getting sent off again any wonder the sides discipline has went to shite
Quote from: Brendan on June 02, 2024, 05:22:28 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on June 02, 2024, 05:21:15 PMStart of the match i would have bet the mortgage it would be armagh with a player off
Have you never seen hot head mcfaul play?
He is no interest in playing football today
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 02, 2024, 05:40:18 PMQuote from: statto on June 02, 2024, 05:37:42 PMWill Geezer get any credit for the win?
Know the score, he gets no credit for any win and blamed for any defeat.
That was surprisingly easy win for Armagh, Galway next should be a much tougher challenge and reward for the winner is straight into the Quarter final.
The narrative will be how bad Derry were/how much they've fallen. Geezer and Armagh will get next to no credit.
That was brilliant. Having said that I only felt confident we would win when they said 4 mins time added on haha.
R
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 02, 2024, 06:40:21 PMWhy was Lynch even off his line though.
Because gavin devlin was in front of me screaming at him to push up anytime he tried to stay back
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 02, 2024, 07:36:47 PMQuote from: Estimator on June 02, 2024, 06:39:00 PMAbsolute shambles of a performance.
Goals win games, that's 9 conceded and 0 scored in 3 Championship games.
People in the crowd still blaming Lynch despite the fact the ball is being turned over inside the opposition 45.
First two goals were criminal mistakes from McCloskey and Rogers.
Two weeks to the Westmeath game, wouldn't be surprised to see a few more defections.
A keeper has zero chance of saving a shot after scrambling back towards his own line
Had he remained on his line he still would've had zero chance of saving either of the first two goals.
We were that bad even if Mackin had been sent off we'd have been beat!
Quote from: markl121 on June 02, 2024, 07:55:27 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on June 02, 2024, 06:40:21 PMWhy was Lynch even off his line though.
Because gavin devlin was in front of me screaming at him to push up anytime he tried to stay back
Well mickey harte did say gavin devlin was a tactical genius who never gets enough credit...
Quote from: Estimator on June 02, 2024, 08:01:17 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on June 02, 2024, 07:36:47 PMQuote from: Estimator on June 02, 2024, 06:39:00 PMAbsolute shambles of a performance.
Goals win games, that's 9 conceded and 0 scored in 3 Championship games.
People in the crowd still blaming Lynch despite the fact the ball is being turned over inside the opposition 45.
First two goals were criminal mistakes from McCloskey and Rogers.
Two weeks to the Westmeath game, wouldn't be surprised to see a few more defections.
A keeper has zero chance of saving a shot after scrambling back towards his own line
Had he remained on his line he still would've had zero chance of saving either of the first two goals.
far better chance in saving a goal when meeting a player head on rather than scrambling back and turing round trying to save a shot
What Galway turns up against Armagh depends on injuries
Was fairly confident we would do ok today but the injuries prior to the game were worrying. So wasn't expecting a walk in the park like that. Says something about our strength in depth that we didn't miss the two critical players. Derry were far too open and niaive. Good to see us keep men up rather than go into the 15 behind the ball crap. Despite all the stuff about Armagh losing big games in the past couple of years - Derry were no better than us last year, neither were Monaghan or this year, Donegal. They beat us on penalties but they weren't better teams on the day. So Armagh have been thereabouts and showed it again today.
Cahir O'Kane shouldn't report on Derry games. His fanboy analysis in yesterday's Irish News was a joke and I was actually going to mention it here - but probably wasn't confident enough in the outcome of the game to do it!
Full credit to armagh and the management team, got everything spot on today. Was surprised at Grimley starting but played a blinder. Thought mcquillan on early was a misstep given personal on the bench, again great game and great move.
Derry looked disinterested and mentality doesn't appear to be there at all.
Galway/Armagh should make for a good game, two teams confident on topping the group.
Mickey should take the lads to Lourdes at this rate.
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 02, 2024, 06:40:21 PMWhy was Lynch even off his line though.
Because Gavin Devlin was guldering from the sideline for him to push up. I suspect there will be resentment creeping in from the players at this stage. They aren't buying into this system at all.
Quote from: bennydorano on June 02, 2024, 08:45:42 PMCahir O'Kane shouldn't report on Derry games. His fanboy analysis in yesterday's Irish News was a joke and I was actually going to mention it here - but probably wasn't confident enough in the outcome of the game to do it!
Not much fanboying in his articles dor tomorrow!
Only saw small bits of the game but Derry look like they don't know what they're doing. It's a team perhaps that don't have faith in the management, but the hunger and desire that has been there this past few years is gone.
3 games in a row with a complete breakdown. Westmeath will beat us at this rate, but even if we do win it, we're going nowhere at the moment.
Fault fully with management imo.
Armagh looked to be in total control start to finish and fair play to them. You can't have any complaints when beat out the gate on your own patch as much as it hurts.
Dick Clerkin another who totally dismissed any chance of Armagh winning today, Derry even off form are much the better team etc etc, looking forward to his rantings this week.
Well done to Geezer, players and backroom team, 1 to 15 they got it spot on today, plus subs all made an impact. Yes, Derry were only a semblance of their former selves but Armagh clinically put them to the sword at every opportunity.
I was worried when I heard of the late injuries, and very sorry to hear that Ciaran Mackin is out with such a serious injury. Any word on the nature of Murnin's injury?
Armagh will go into the Galway game with a lot of confidence, as no doubt will Galway. Big game. Will it be in Breffni?
Derry v Westmeath, after watching Derry today, that is by no means a foregone conclusion.
If I was Armagh I wouldn't read too much into that game. Derry ones who knew the team line-out knew we be in trouble, but we gave up very easy. I rather we revert to the way Gallagher set up, very defensive, with Glass playing sweeper.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 02, 2024, 11:22:26 PMIf I was Armagh I wouldn't read too much into that game. Derry ones who knew the team line-out knew we be in trouble, but we gave up very easy. I rather we revert to the way Gallagher set up, very defensive, with Glass playing sweeper.
Ah no I thought Armagh were exceptional but they need to be careful with the nonsense off the ball.
We didn't deserve anything from the game but on another day Armagh get 2 reds and concede a penalty! How McFaul got sent off when he was shouldered for every move ha made was ridiculous. It maybe wasn't evident in the tv but every turn he made someone from Armagh was all over him.
For our match against Westmeath I can't see how we win at the minute. I'd just be happy for us not to concede a goal from a kickout or a turnover up the field... I can only live in hope!
That's the point on McFaul which not evident on tv. Ref couldn't booked 1 or 2 men ratted at McFaul, but he let it go to he was responded to every clash.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 02, 2024, 11:59:29 PMThat's the point on McFaul which not evident on tv. Ref couldn't booked 1 or 2 men ratted at McFaul, but he let it go to he was responded to every clash.
What happens to McFaul happens every game. Derry were at it with ONeill too. Not nice to see but players have to deal with it. McFaul didn't
Quote from: screenexile on June 02, 2024, 11:47:34 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on June 02, 2024, 11:22:26 PMIf I was Armagh I wouldn't read too much into that game. Derry ones who knew the team line-out knew we be in trouble, but we gave up very easy. I rather we revert to the way Gallagher set up, very defensive, with Glass playing sweeper.
Ah no I thought Armagh were exceptional but they need to be careful with the nonsense off the ball.
We didn't deserve anything from the game but on another day Armagh get 2 reds and concede a penalty! How McFaul got sent off when he was shouldered for every move ha made was ridiculous. It maybe wasn't evident in the tv but every turn he made someone from Armagh was all over him.
For our match against Westmeath I can't see how we win at the minute. I'd just be happy for us not to concede a goal from a kickout or a turnover up the field... I can only live in hope!
He rugby tackled a lad when already on a yellow. Pretty easily understood.
The first thing McFaul did was run on and run into an Armagh man.if you have a short fuse and don't deal well with people getting at you rightly or wrongly a team is going to do that.
I said Armagh could win that game by 5 or 6 if they believed in themselves... They looked a proper side v Donegal.
Could have won by 20 yesterday.
That Derry team wouldn't win the Tailteann Cup.
Derry were that bad we would have won on penalties ;)
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 03, 2024, 06:58:29 AMDerry were that bad we would have won on penalties ;)
Going into the game I was thinking well at least there's one result we know won't happen today. A loss on penalties
To be honest I was fairly confident all week, then when I heard Mackin and Murnin were out I thought we're going to strugggle. Hats off to every man on that field.
Mickey Harte has to walk now surely.
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 02, 2024, 04:49:41 PMQuote from: 93-DY-SAM on June 02, 2024, 04:09:05 PMHope all the Armagh lads getting stuck into McKinless last day out recognise what Mackin just did to Glass.
very little.
No. He kicked him in the head, regardless of force.
Scummy low dig.
Should have been a straight red.
Don't try and excuse scummy behaviour. Kicking a man in the head when on the ground is scummy behaviour.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 02, 2024, 06:15:44 PMDerry bollixed for the year. Am surprised all the issues in Portugal never got outside the county. Not sure if it was showing it on tv, but the Armagh men were taking turns to rattle McFaul from the minute he came on
Have heard the trip mentioned a few times now - what is 'supposedly' meant to have happened?
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 03, 2024, 06:58:29 AMDerry were that bad we would have won on penalties ;)
;D 100%.
The drive and effort put in by Armagh yesterday compared to ourselves really was night and day, shockingly so.
I'm not sure how we come back from a defeat like that tbh, death by a thousand cuts atm.
Murray, Baker and Gilmore put in great shifts, I'll leave it at that re the rest.
The bandwagon will be a fair bit lighter heading to the Westmeath game that's for sure!
Great performance yesterday but wouldnt get too carried away. Derry not at the races. Wonder when we can expect the GAA to announce venue and date for the galway game?
Quote from: JoG2 on June 03, 2024, 09:29:14 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on June 03, 2024, 06:58:29 AMDerry were that bad we would have won on penalties ;)
;D 100%.
The drive and effort put in by Armagh yesterday compared to ourselves really was night and day, shockingly so.
I'm not sure how we come back from a defeat like that tbh, death by a thousand cuts atm.
Murray, Baker and Gilmore put in great shifts, I'll leave it at that re the rest.
The bandwagon will be a fair bit lighter heading to the Westmeath game that's for sure!
Westmeath is a real banana skin and Derrys performance today would see them beat and out. Couple of boys in Derry yesterday said McFaul was on the piss last week which is why he was dropped.
Quote from: maddog on June 03, 2024, 09:37:54 AMGreat performance yesterday but wouldnt get too carried away. Derry not at the races. Wonder when we can expect the GAA to announce venue and date for the galway game?
The night before probably!
Yeah massive that we back that up vs Galway but brilliant to be able to enjoy an Armagh win. For the first time in a long while I'm going to watch an Armagh game back!
Quote from: maddog on June 03, 2024, 09:37:54 AMGreat performance yesterday but wouldnt get too carried away. Derry not at the races. Wonder when we can expect the GAA to announce venue and date for the galway game?
to be confirmed on Tuesday according to Twitter
In soccer parlance, Harte and Devlin have lost the changng room.
Very clear to be seen.
When you see how well Louth have pushed on under Brennan, it's clear to see they're not that tactically aware, especially how bad they've been caught out since the Donegal game.
No Plan B.
But after the rows in Portugal it's clear to see the players have downed tools so the players must share the flack also.
The biggest thing is the fall - how far have things went south in the Derry camp in a month. Some drop off in standards. Derry pushing for All-Ireland finals this past two years, winning Div. 1 NFL (I know it's only the league) but the self-implosion has been crazy this year.
Good chance they'll get Gallagher back......and there'll be no more trips abroad.
Quote from: marty34 on June 03, 2024, 10:05:35 AMIn soccer parlance, Harte and Devlin have lost the changng room.
Very clear to be seen.
When you see how well Louth have pushed on under Brennan, it's clear to see they're not that tactically aware, especially how bad they've been caught out since the Donegal game.
No Plan B.
But after the rows in Portugal it's clear to see the players have downed tools so the players must share the flack also.
The biggest thing is the fall - how far have things went south in the Derry camp in a month. Some drop off in standards. Derry pushing for All-Ireland finals this past two years, winning Div. 1 NFL (I know it's only the league) but the self-implosion has been crazy this year.
Good chance they'll get Gallagher back......and there'll be no more trips abroad.
Big Glass cut a frustrated figure yesterday afternoon and it's not like him waving arms and the likes.
Did old club rivalries come to the boil in Portugal?
I'm hearing the Slaughtneil lads had told their hurling manager they'd be concentrating on club football this year and that was one of the reasons he stepped down.
What happened in Portugal?
That was probably Armaghs best performance under geezer. So many players performed well on the day and the only negative was that we butchered a few other goal chances - it should have been 6 or 7 goals. It proved that when we play front foot, aggressive football we are much better and some of the tackling to turnover possession followed by quick attacks was excellent.
On the other side Derry were a complete shambles. The Mickey Harte appointment was never likely to end well and Chrissy McKaigue will have a bit of explaining to do to his team mates for appointing him. They look like a team waiting for the season to end.
Mickey lost his way in TOP level management a long time ago. Look at how Louth have come on since hammering by Dublin last year.
Word is the main attraction, especially with McKaigue, was to get Horse in..
Quote from: yellowcard on June 03, 2024, 10:50:32 AMThat was probably Armaghs best performance under geezer. So many players performed well on the day and the only negative was that we butchered a few other goal chances - it should have been 6 or 7 goals. It proved that when we play front foot, aggressive football we are much better and some of the tackling to turnover possession followed by quick attacks was excellent.
On the other side Derry were a complete shambles. The Mickey Harte appointment was never likely to end well and Chrissy McKaigue will have a bit of explaining to do to his team mates for appointing him. They look like a team waiting for the season to end.
How come McKaigue is taking the flack for this appointment, pretty sure he didnt ratify it on his own.
Not a fan or McK or MH. Just curious
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 03, 2024, 06:58:29 AMDerry were that bad we would have won on penalties ;)
;D
Fair play, lol.
Quote from: NAG1 on June 03, 2024, 10:59:53 AMQuote from: yellowcard on June 03, 2024, 10:50:32 AMThat was probably Armaghs best performance under geezer. So many players performed well on the day and the only negative was that we butchered a few other goal chances - it should have been 6 or 7 goals. It proved that when we play front foot, aggressive football we are much better and some of the tackling to turnover possession followed by quick attacks was excellent.
On the other side Derry were a complete shambles. The Mickey Harte appointment was never likely to end well and Chrissy McKaigue will have a bit of explaining to do to his team mates for appointing him. They look like a team waiting for the season to end.
How come McKaigue is taking the flack for this appointment, pretty sure he didnt ratify it on his own.
Not a fan or McK or MH. Just curious
You're right he mightn't have ratified it himself, but how anyone thought it was a good idea to begin with is the problem. And that's got absolutely nothing to do with his credentials as a manager which were top level.
The surprise is that it has imploded as badly as it actually has. If this was soccer he'd be gone this morning.
Quote from: marty34 on June 03, 2024, 10:05:35 AMIn soccer parlance, Harte and Devlin have lost the changng room.
Very clear to be seen.
When you see how well Louth have pushed on under Brennan, it's clear to see they're not that tactically aware, especially how bad they've been caught out since the Donegal game.
No Plan B.
But after the rows in Portugal it's clear to see the players have downed tools so the players must share the flack also.
The biggest thing is the fall - how far have things went south in the Derry camp in a month. Some drop off in standards. Derry pushing for All-Ireland finals this past two years, winning Div. 1 NFL (I know it's only the league) but the self-implosion has been crazy this year.
Good chance they'll get Gallagher back......and there'll be no more trips abroad.
Quote from: johnnycool on June 03, 2024, 10:32:54 AMQuote from: marty34 on June 03, 2024, 10:05:35 AMIn soccer parlance, Harte and Devlin have lost the changng room.
Very clear to be seen.
When you see how well Louth have pushed on under Brennan, it's clear to see they're not that tactically aware, especially how bad they've been caught out since the Donegal game.
No Plan B.
But after the rows in Portugal it's clear to see the players have downed tools so the players must share the flack also.
The biggest thing is the fall - how far have things went south in the Derry camp in a month. Some drop off in standards. Derry pushing for All-Ireland finals this past two years, winning Div. 1 NFL (I know it's only the league) but the self-implosion has been crazy this year.
Good chance they'll get Gallagher back......and there'll be no more trips abroad.
Big Glass cut a frustrated figure yesterday afternoon and it's not like him waving arms and the likes.
Did old club rivalries come to the boil in Portugal?
I'm hearing the Slaughtneil lads had told their hurling manager they'd be concentrating on club football this year and that was one of the reasons he stepped down.
Would there not be less rivalry regarding the clubs now given that Glen are well ahead of the rest and back in the day there would have been a number of clubs in the mix for senior championship?
Quote from: yellowcard on June 03, 2024, 11:08:50 AMQuote from: NAG1 on June 03, 2024, 10:59:53 AMQuote from: yellowcard on June 03, 2024, 10:50:32 AMThat was probably Armaghs best performance under geezer. So many players performed well on the day and the only negative was that we butchered a few other goal chances - it should have been 6 or 7 goals. It proved that when we play front foot, aggressive football we are much better and some of the tackling to turnover possession followed by quick attacks was excellent.
On the other side Derry were a complete shambles. The Mickey Harte appointment was never likely to end well and Chrissy McKaigue will have a bit of explaining to do to his team mates for appointing him. They look like a team waiting for the season to end.
How come McKaigue is taking the flack for this appointment, pretty sure he didnt ratify it on his own.
Not a fan or McK or MH. Just curious
You're right he mightn't have ratified it himself, but how anyone thought it was a good idea to begin with is the problem. And that's got absolutely nothing to do with his credentials as a manager which were top level.
The surprise is that it has imploded as badly as it actually has. If this was soccer he'd be gone this morning.
Glass also thought it was a good idea if you listened to his on the GAA social
The problem for Derry is who decided a foreign training session, then silly enough to think they could trust players staying out there another 3 days by themselves. That's were the management fell down, and the fall out been very evident ever since
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 03, 2024, 11:23:12 AMThe problem for Derry is who decided a foreign training session, then silly enough to think they could trust players staying out there another 3 days by themselves. That's were the management fell down, and the fall out been very evident ever since
what did happen in those extra days?
Quote from: reddgnhand on June 03, 2024, 10:36:00 AMWhat happened in Portugal?
Whatever happened in Portugal stays in Portugal.
Until Mickey's next book.
Much too simplistic to put it down to Portugal. That has nothing to do with them repeatedly leaving no defenders in one half of the pitch. It has been a tactical disaster, anything else is just trying to pin the blame on the players.
Quote from: yellowcard on June 03, 2024, 11:49:37 AMMuch too simplistic to put it down to Portugal. That has nothing to do with them repeatedly leaving no defenders in one half of the pitch. It has been a tactical disaster, anything else is just trying to pin the blame on the players.
In his post match comments Mickey seems to be pinning it on the players.
Quote from: Armamike on June 03, 2024, 11:56:07 AMQuote from: yellowcard on June 03, 2024, 11:49:37 AMMuch too simplistic to put it down to Portugal. That has nothing to do with them repeatedly leaving no defenders in one half of the pitch. It has been a tactical disaster, anything else is just trying to pin the blame on the players.
In his post match comments Mickey seems to be pinning it on the players.
He does that but suggest anything negative bout him here up to 6 weeks ago, or that him and Derry would end in tears, you get ate alive.
Yes but, what happened in Portugal??!
I'd say Derry's current problems are more to do with injuries, fatigue and abandoning the highly disciplined way they played under Gallagher. They've been hard at it for a few years now moving up the league tables, pushing themselves hard. Great footballers and will be back. Would not rule out Derry beating a 2nd placed team in the prelims. Mayo Derry would be tasty.
Quote from: Armamike on June 03, 2024, 11:46:09 AMQuote from: reddgnhand on June 03, 2024, 10:36:00 AMWhat happened in Portugal?
Whatever happened in Portugal stays in Portugal.
Until Mickey's next book.
LOL.
Quote from: weareros on June 03, 2024, 12:22:47 PMI'd say Derry's current problems are more to do with injuries, fatigue and abandoning the highly disciplined way they played under Gallagher. They've been hard at it for a few years now moving up the league tables, pushing themselves hard. Great footballers and will be back. Would not rule out Derry beating a 2nd placed team in the prelims. Mayo Derry would be tasty.
I wouldn't rule out Westmeath beating them in the final group game. The nature of that defeat yesterday can't be turned around in the space of a few weeks and it doesn't look like a happy camp at all. Either way they can no longer be considered All Ireland pretenders.
Quote from: meathie on June 03, 2024, 12:11:22 PMYes but, what happened in Portugal??!
The dream turned into a nightmare, Joxer stuck the head on Jack
Who wanted to bring Johnny Giles and Eamon Dunphy back
The c**k crew in the morning, it crew both loud and shrill
Joxer woke up in his sleeping bag many miles from Arbour Hill.
Quote from: weareros on June 03, 2024, 12:22:47 PMI'd say Derry's current problems are more to do with injuries, fatigue and abandoning the highly disciplined way they played under Gallagher. They've been hard at it for a few years now moving up the league tables, pushing themselves hard. Great footballers and will be back. Would not rule out Derry beating a 2nd placed team in the prelims. Mayo Derry would be tasty.
You're taking it that Derry have already qualified in 3rd place.
Wouldn't go down that route just yet.
Quote from: marty34 on June 03, 2024, 12:31:57 PMQuote from: weareros on June 03, 2024, 12:22:47 PMI'd say Derry's current problems are more to do with injuries, fatigue and abandoning the highly disciplined way they played under Gallagher. They've been hard at it for a few years now moving up the league tables, pushing themselves hard. Great footballers and will be back. Would not rule out Derry beating a 2nd placed team in the prelims. Mayo Derry would be tasty.
You're taking it that Derry have already qualified in 3rd place.
Wouldn't go down that route just yet.
Westmeath will be ard enough for a team not firing on all cylinders.
But possibly Derry will beat them and Cork will beat Tyrone, giving a preliminary QF between Donegal and Derry!!
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 03, 2024, 11:23:12 AMThe problem for Derry is who decided a foreign training session, then silly enough to think they could trust players staying out there another 3 days by themselves. That's were the management fell down, and the fall out been very evident ever since
Surely you can trust a group of adults to spend a few days on holiday without anything going too wrong or you'd like to think so.
Funny how things change. Harte was the best thing since sliced bread a few months ago. Don't think the blame is solely with him but how on earth they're still letting Lynch come up the field I don't know.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 03, 2024, 12:45:30 PMQuote from: marty34 on June 03, 2024, 12:31:57 PMQuote from: weareros on June 03, 2024, 12:22:47 PMI'd say Derry's current problems are more to do with injuries, fatigue and abandoning the highly disciplined way they played under Gallagher. They've been hard at it for a few years now moving up the league tables, pushing themselves hard. Great footballers and will be back. Would not rule out Derry beating a 2nd placed team in the prelims. Mayo Derry would be tasty.
You're taking it that Derry have already qualified in 3rd place.
Wouldn't go down that route just yet.
Westmeath will be ard enough for a team not firing on all cylinders.
But possibly Derry will beat them and Cork will beat Tyrone, giving a preliminary QF between Donegal and Derry!!
Playing the way we are, Westmeath will beat us.
Harte hanging the players out to dry isn't a great look either!! Needs to take his share of the blame for how open the team are from opposition kickouts.
Quote from: screenexile on June 03, 2024, 01:51:59 PMHarte hanging the players out to dry isn't a great look either!! Needs to take his share of the blame for how open the team are from opposition kickouts.
Surely a blind man could see we were targeting that, Conatys chance early on where he it the bar came from a long kick out and flick down by Grimley!
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 03, 2024, 01:56:24 PMQuote from: screenexile on June 03, 2024, 01:51:59 PMHarte hanging the players out to dry isn't a great look either!! Needs to take his share of the blame for how open the team are from opposition kickouts.
Surely a blind man could see we were targeting that, Conatys chance early on where he it the bar came from a long kick out and flick down by Grimley!
Yep. And we've been saying that since the Donegal game.
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 03, 2024, 02:30:04 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on June 03, 2024, 01:56:24 PMQuote from: screenexile on June 03, 2024, 01:51:59 PMHarte hanging the players out to dry isn't a great look either!! Needs to take his share of the blame for how open the team are from opposition kickouts.
Surely a blind man could see we were targeting that, Conatys chance early on where he it the bar came from a long kick out and flick down by Grimley!
Yep. And we've been saying that since the Donegal game.
Agent Harte! Absolute madness. Someone said Derry management were screaming at Lynch to come out.
Remember horse screaming at Conor Gormley in a league game at Croke a few moons ago, went something like this ... Gormley! Gormley! Gormley! Gormley! Gormley! Gormley! Gormley! Gormley! Gormley! Gormley! Gormley! Gormley!
He finally looked over ... to which horse said ... "come on to f**k!"
High end stuff
Westmeath practicing long kickouts this week.
The Brendan Rogers fist pass that went badly off target leading to the second goal, it's difficult to legislate for such poor implementation of the basics ... ::) never mind Rogers lack of an attempt to get a tackle in on the way up the field ...
https://youtu.be/N_N7bbRteTA?t=156
Quote from: balladmaker on June 03, 2024, 03:57:17 PMThe Brendan Rogers fist pass that went badly off target leading to the second goal, it's difficult to legislate for such poor implementation of the basics ... ::) never mind Rogers lack of an attempt to get a tackle in on the way up the field ...
https://youtu.be/N_N7bbRteTA?t=156
Probably not the best idea to leave a fella like Turbitt with only the goalkeeper in his half
Quote from: balladmaker on June 03, 2024, 03:57:17 PMThe Brendan Rogers fist pass that went badly off target leading to the second goal, it's difficult to legislate for such poor implementation of the basics ... ::) never mind Rogers lack of an attempt to get a tackle in on the way up the field ...
https://youtu.be/N_N7bbRteTA?t=156
Rodgers had more than a couple of sloppy plays yesterday, but in fairness to him, he sprinted the whole way back. Not sure who you want him to tackle when the ball is 20 yards up the field ahead of him.
Quote from: gallsman on June 03, 2024, 04:40:14 PMQuote from: balladmaker on June 03, 2024, 03:57:17 PMThe Brendan Rogers fist pass that went badly off target leading to the second goal, it's difficult to legislate for such poor implementation of the basics ... ::) never mind Rogers lack of an attempt to get a tackle in on the way up the field ...
https://youtu.be/N_N7bbRteTA?t=156
Rodgers had more than a couple of sloppy plays yesterday, but in fairness to him, he sprinted the whole way back. Not sure who you want him to tackle when the ball is 20 yards up the field ahead of him.
I think it's wrong to pin point mistakes like this - they things happen to every player. Look at the Louth ball out yesterday, plus the Westmeath cross-field pass. All three resulted in goals.
These things happen. All players, managers and referees etc. make mistakes. They don't need to.
The pass didn't loss Derry the game. It was lost when the referee threw up the ball.
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Lolol
Quote from: marty34 on June 03, 2024, 04:47:49 PMQuote from: gallsman on June 03, 2024, 04:40:14 PMQuote from: balladmaker on June 03, 2024, 03:57:17 PMThe Brendan Rogers fist pass that went badly off target leading to the second goal, it's difficult to legislate for such poor implementation of the basics ... ::) never mind Rogers lack of an attempt to get a tackle in on the way up the field ...
https://youtu.be/N_N7bbRteTA?t=156
Rodgers had more than a couple of sloppy plays yesterday, but in fairness to him, he sprinted the whole way back. Not sure who you want him to tackle when the ball is 20 yards up the field ahead of him.
I think it's wrong to pin point mistakes like this - they things happen to every player. Look at the Louth ball out yesterday, plus the Westmeath cross-field pass. All three resulted in goals.
These things happen. All players, managers and referees etc. make mistakes. They don't need to.
The pass didn't loss Derry the game. It was lost when the referee threw up the ball.
Nothing more than an observation. Derry's midfield is normally such a platform for them and yesterday they were wiped out
Quote from: gallsman on June 03, 2024, 04:53:53 PMQuote from: marty34 on June 03, 2024, 04:47:49 PMQuote from: gallsman on June 03, 2024, 04:40:14 PMQuote from: balladmaker on June 03, 2024, 03:57:17 PMThe Brendan Rogers fist pass that went badly off target leading to the second goal, it's difficult to legislate for such poor implementation of the basics ... ::) never mind Rogers lack of an attempt to get a tackle in on the way up the field ...
https://youtu.be/N_N7bbRteTA?t=156
Rodgers had more than a couple of sloppy plays yesterday, but in fairness to him, he sprinted the whole way back. Not sure who you want him to tackle when the ball is 20 yards up the field ahead of him.
I think it's wrong to pin point mistakes like this - they things happen to every player. Look at the Louth ball out yesterday, plus the Westmeath cross-field pass. All three resulted in goals.
These things happen. All players, managers and referees etc. make mistakes. They don't need to.
The pass didn't loss Derry the game. It was lost when the referee threw up the ball.
Nothing more than an observation. Derry's midfield is normally such a platform for them and yesterday they were wiped out
The three Armagh boys across the middle were phenomenal, haven't enjoyed a game so much in a long long time. Just hope we can follow it up with a performance against Galway
Quote from: Midman on June 03, 2024, 05:03:21 PMQuote from: gallsman on June 03, 2024, 04:53:53 PMQuote from: marty34 on June 03, 2024, 04:47:49 PMQuote from: gallsman on June 03, 2024, 04:40:14 PMQuote from: balladmaker on June 03, 2024, 03:57:17 PMThe Brendan Rogers fist pass that went badly off target leading to the second goal, it's difficult to legislate for such poor implementation of the basics ... ::) never mind Rogers lack of an attempt to get a tackle in on the way up the field ...
https://youtu.be/N_N7bbRteTA?t=156
Rodgers had more than a couple of sloppy plays yesterday, but in fairness to him, he sprinted the whole way back. Not sure who you want him to tackle when the ball is 20 yards up the field ahead of him.
I think it's wrong to pin point mistakes like this - they things happen to every player. Look at the Louth ball out yesterday, plus the Westmeath cross-field pass. All three resulted in goals.
These things happen. All players, managers and referees etc. make mistakes. They don't need to.
The pass didn't loss Derry the game. It was lost when the referee threw up the ball.
Nothing more than an observation. Derry's midfield is normally such a platform for them and yesterday they were wiped out
The three Armagh boys across the middle were phenomenal, haven't enjoyed a game so much in a long long time. Just hope we can follow it up with a performance against Galway
It was reminiscent of 2022 when we steamrolled Tyrone and Donegal. Fast, front foot and aggressive in the tackle. We have nothing to lose as nobody expects us to win Sam. Just keep playing like that and see where it takes us, we've shown we have the firepower.
That was the best midfield performance in a long while. Crealey has won me over with his performances this championship and we know what Rian is capable of. The big surprise was Grimleys selection but he more than justified it, he's always had the ability but seemed luckless with injuries at times.
Quote from: yellowcard on June 03, 2024, 05:32:41 PMQuote from: Midman on June 03, 2024, 05:03:21 PMQuote from: gallsman on June 03, 2024, 04:53:53 PMQuote from: marty34 on June 03, 2024, 04:47:49 PMQuote from: gallsman on June 03, 2024, 04:40:14 PMQuote from: balladmaker on June 03, 2024, 03:57:17 PMThe Brendan Rogers fist pass that went badly off target leading to the second goal, it's difficult to legislate for such poor implementation of the basics ... ::) never mind Rogers lack of an attempt to get a tackle in on the way up the field ...
https://youtu.be/N_N7bbRteTA?t=156
Rodgers had more than a couple of sloppy plays yesterday, but in fairness to him, he sprinted the whole way back. Not sure who you want him to tackle when the ball is 20 yards up the field ahead of him.
I think it's wrong to pin point mistakes like this - they things happen to every player. Look at the Louth ball out yesterday, plus the Westmeath cross-field pass. All three resulted in goals.
These things happen. All players, managers and referees etc. make mistakes. They don't need to.
The pass didn't loss Derry the game. It was lost when the referee threw up the ball.
Nothing more than an observation. Derry's midfield is normally such a platform for them and yesterday they were wiped out
The three Armagh boys across the middle were phenomenal, haven't enjoyed a game so much in a long long time. Just hope we can follow it up with a performance against Galway
It was reminiscent of 2022 when we steamrolled Tyrone and Donegal. Fast, front foot and aggressive in the tackle. We have nothing to lose as nobody expects us to win Sam. Just keep playing like that and see where it takes us, we've shown we have the firepower.
That was the best midfield performance in a long while. Crealey has won me over with his performances this championship and we know what Rian is capable of. The big surprise was Grimleys selection but he more than justified it, he's always had the ability but seemed luckless with injuries at times.
Absolutely.
The belief Armagh can take from yesterday , that if they continue to set up like this , they could very well have the beating of any team.
I just hope they don't retreat back into their shell again , as that would be an absolute waste.
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 03, 2024, 06:01:08 PMQuote from: yellowcard on June 03, 2024, 05:32:41 PMQuote from: Midman on June 03, 2024, 05:03:21 PMQuote from: gallsman on June 03, 2024, 04:53:53 PMQuote from: marty34 on June 03, 2024, 04:47:49 PMQuote from: gallsman on June 03, 2024, 04:40:14 PMQuote from: balladmaker on June 03, 2024, 03:57:17 PMThe Brendan Rogers fist pass that went badly off target leading to the second goal, it's difficult to legislate for such poor implementation of the basics ... ::) never mind Rogers lack of an attempt to get a tackle in on the way up the field ...
https://youtu.be/N_N7bbRteTA?t=156
Rodgers had more than a couple of sloppy plays yesterday, but in fairness to him, he sprinted the whole way back. Not sure who you want him to tackle when the ball is 20 yards up the field ahead of him.
I think it's wrong to pin point mistakes like this - they things happen to every player. Look at the Louth ball out yesterday, plus the Westmeath cross-field pass. All three resulted in goals.
These things happen. All players, managers and referees etc. make mistakes. They don't need to.
The pass didn't loss Derry the game. It was lost when the referee threw up the ball.
Nothing more than an observation. Derry's midfield is normally such a platform for them and yesterday they were wiped out
The three Armagh boys across the middle were phenomenal, haven't enjoyed a game so much in a long long time. Just hope we can follow it up with a performance against Galway
It was reminiscent of 2022 when we steamrolled Tyrone and Donegal. Fast, front foot and aggressive in the tackle. We have nothing to lose as nobody expects us to win Sam. Just keep playing like that and see where it takes us, we've shown we have the firepower.
That was the best midfield performance in a long while. Crealey has won me over with his performances this championship and we know what Rian is capable of. The big surprise was Grimleys selection but he more than justified it, he's always had the ability but seemed luckless with injuries at times.
Absolutely.
The belief Armagh can take from yesterday , that if they continue to set up like this , they could very well have the beating of any team.
I just hope they don't retreat back into their shell again , as that would be an absolute waste.
Don't think it will be a case of retreat back into their shell more Galway next will be a lot more defensive and organised than Derry was yesterday so a possible war attrition that game could be.
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 03, 2024, 06:01:08 PMQuote from: yellowcard on June 03, 2024, 05:32:41 PMQuote from: Midman on June 03, 2024, 05:03:21 PMQuote from: gallsman on June 03, 2024, 04:53:53 PMQuote from: marty34 on June 03, 2024, 04:47:49 PMQuote from: gallsman on June 03, 2024, 04:40:14 PMQuote from: balladmaker on June 03, 2024, 03:57:17 PMThe Brendan Rogers fist pass that went badly off target leading to the second goal, it's difficult to legislate for such poor implementation of the basics ... ::) never mind Rogers lack of an attempt to get a tackle in on the way up the field ...
https://youtu.be/N_N7bbRteTA?t=156
Rodgers had more than a couple of sloppy plays yesterday, but in fairness to him, he sprinted the whole way back. Not sure who you want him to tackle when the ball is 20 yards up the field ahead of him.
I think it's wrong to pin point mistakes like this - they things happen to every player. Look at the Louth ball out yesterday, plus the Westmeath cross-field pass. All three resulted in goals.
These things happen. All players, managers and referees etc. make mistakes. They don't need to.
The pass didn't loss Derry the game. It was lost when the referee threw up the ball.
Nothing more than an observation. Derry's midfield is normally such a platform for them and yesterday they were wiped out
The three Armagh boys across the middle were phenomenal, haven't enjoyed a game so much in a long long time. Just hope we can follow it up with a performance against Galway
It was reminiscent of 2022 when we steamrolled Tyrone and Donegal. Fast, front foot and aggressive in the tackle. We have nothing to lose as nobody expects us to win Sam. Just keep playing like that and see where it takes us, we've shown we have the firepower.
That was the best midfield performance in a long while. Crealey has won me over with his performances this championship and we know what Rian is capable of. The big surprise was Grimleys selection but he more than justified it, he's always had the ability but seemed luckless with injuries at times.
Absolutely.
The belief Armagh can take from yesterday , that if they continue to set up like this , they could very well have the beating of any team.
I just hope they don't retreat back into their shell again , as that would be an absolute waste.
Honestly not trying to take away from Armagh here, but as good as they were yesterday, I wouldn't put too much weight behind the just yet. Derry were so bad it's hard to really judge where Armagh are based only on that game.
But follow it up with a similar statement win against Galway, and Armagh will be spoken about in different terms.
Agreed tbrick18, that's exactly how I see it ... winning at a canter against a Derry team not up for the fight is one thing, backing it up the next day would be confirmation that Armagh are undisputedly trending upwards in the pecking order. But that is exactly the opportunity that McGeeney and Armagh want to have, and no better team to square up to than Galway.
I don't expect Armagh to make a signature win against Galway, a couple of points will do.
Quote from: gallsman on June 03, 2024, 04:53:53 PMQuote from: marty34 on June 03, 2024, 04:47:49 PMQuote from: gallsman on June 03, 2024, 04:40:14 PMQuote from: balladmaker on June 03, 2024, 03:57:17 PMThe Brendan Rogers fist pass that went badly off target leading to the second goal, it's difficult to legislate for such poor implementation of the basics ... ::) never mind Rogers lack of an attempt to get a tackle in on the way up the field ...
https://youtu.be/N_N7bbRteTA?t=156
Rodgers had more than a couple of sloppy plays yesterday, but in fairness to him, he sprinted the whole way back. Not sure who you want him to tackle when the ball is 20 yards up the field ahead of him.
I think it's wrong to pin point mistakes like this - they things happen to every player. Look at the Louth ball out yesterday, plus the Westmeath cross-field pass. All three resulted in goals.
These things happen. All players, managers and referees etc. make mistakes. They don't need to.
The pass didn't loss Derry the game. It was lost when the referee threw up the ball.
Nothing more than an observation. Derry's midfield is normally such a platform for them and yesterday they were wiped out
Similar against Galway in round 1 and 35 year old Paul Conroy was voted player of the week for his performance against Derry's highly rated midfield.
Quote from: yellowcard on June 03, 2024, 05:32:41 PMQuote from: Midman on June 03, 2024, 05:03:21 PMQuote from: gallsman on June 03, 2024, 04:53:53 PMQuote from: marty34 on June 03, 2024, 04:47:49 PMQuote from: gallsman on June 03, 2024, 04:40:14 PMQuote from: balladmaker on June 03, 2024, 03:57:17 PMThe Brendan Rogers fist pass that went badly off target leading to the second goal, it's difficult to legislate for such poor implementation of the basics ... ::) never mind Rogers lack of an attempt to get a tackle in on the way up the field ...
https://youtu.be/N_N7bbRteTA?t=156
Rodgers had more than a couple of sloppy plays yesterday, but in fairness to him, he sprinted the whole way back. Not sure who you want him to tackle when the ball is 20 yards up the field ahead of him.
I think it's wrong to pin point mistakes like this - they things happen to every player. Look at the Louth ball out yesterday, plus the Westmeath cross-field pass. All three resulted in goals.
These things happen. All players, managers and referees etc. make mistakes. They don't need to.
The pass didn't loss Derry the game. It was lost when the referee threw up the ball.
Nothing more than an observation. Derry's midfield is normally such a platform for them and yesterday they were wiped out
The three Armagh boys across the middle were phenomenal, haven't enjoyed a game so much in a long long time. Just hope we can follow it up with a performance against Galway
It was reminiscent of 2022 when we steamrolled Tyrone and Donegal. Fast, front foot and aggressive in the tackle. We have nothing to lose as nobody expects us to win Sam. Just keep playing like that and see where it takes us, we've shown we have the firepower.
That was the best midfield performance in a long while. Crealey has won me over with his performances this championship and we know what Rian is capable of. The big surprise was Grimleys selection but he more than justified it, he's always had the ability but seemed luckless with injuries at times.
Yeah midfield is where we thought we'd struggle this year, fair play to Crealey whos been excellent
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 03, 2024, 06:31:47 PMQuote from: yellowcard on June 03, 2024, 05:32:41 PMQuote from: Midman on June 03, 2024, 05:03:21 PMQuote from: gallsman on June 03, 2024, 04:53:53 PMQuote from: marty34 on June 03, 2024, 04:47:49 PMQuote from: gallsman on June 03, 2024, 04:40:14 PMQuote from: balladmaker on June 03, 2024, 03:57:17 PMThe Brendan Rogers fist pass that went badly off target leading to the second goal, it's difficult to legislate for such poor implementation of the basics ... ::) never mind Rogers lack of an attempt to get a tackle in on the way up the field ...
https://youtu.be/N_N7bbRteTA?t=156
Rodgers had more than a couple of sloppy plays yesterday, but in fairness to him, he sprinted the whole way back. Not sure who you want him to tackle when the ball is 20 yards up the field ahead of him.
I think it's wrong to pin point mistakes like this - they things happen to every player. Look at the Louth ball out yesterday, plus the Westmeath cross-field pass. All three resulted in goals.
These things happen. All players, managers and referees etc. make mistakes. They don't need to.
The pass didn't loss Derry the game. It was lost when the referee threw up the ball.
Nothing more than an observation. Derry's midfield is normally such a platform for them and yesterday they were wiped out
The three Armagh boys across the middle were phenomenal, haven't enjoyed a game so much in a long long time. Just hope we can follow it up with a performance against Galway
It was reminiscent of 2022 when we steamrolled Tyrone and Donegal. Fast, front foot and aggressive in the tackle. We have nothing to lose as nobody expects us to win Sam. Just keep playing like that and see where it takes us, we've shown we have the firepower.
That was the best midfield performance in a long while. Crealey has won me over with his performances this championship and we know what Rian is capable of. The big surprise was Grimleys selection but he more than justified it, he's always had the ability but seemed luckless with injuries at times.
Yeah midfield is where we thought we'd struggle this year, fair play to Crealey whos been excellent
Really makes a difference when he goes up to catch the ball with both hands. He has been great this year
Galway generally are strong around the middle so I would actually go stronger again and start Oisín O Neill as well. Basically play 4 across the middle. It would be harsh maybe but I'd not start Soupy. He was alright the other day but not as effective as he could be. Play effectively a 4 man MF with a 4 man forward line of Grugan, Kelly, Conaty and Turbitt. You then have an awful lot of options off the bench though I suspect that perhaps there is not a full 70 in Rian or Oisín and this is the way they are being spelled. I'd go for the throat though and put Galway on the back foot from the very start.
Anyone know the situation re Andy Murnin?
The Galway match is just one for winning, it could be a dour watch for neutrals.
Would we have won that way yesterday with Ciaran Mackin, Murnin and Peter McGrane (as Ross McQuillan made such a huge difference)? Probably not, maybe the unfortunate circumstances could give the management more impetus to be brave every time
Quote from: bennydorano on June 03, 2024, 08:44:43 PMThe Galway match is just one for winning, it could be a dour watch for neutrals.
Would we have won that way yesterday with Ciaran Mackin, Murnin and Peter McGrane (as Ross McQuillan made such a huge difference)? Probably not, maybe the unfortunate circumstances could give the management more impetus to be brave every time
the 3 that didn't start/came off you mentioned are as good as the 3 that did and probably similar enough players as well so hard to say. Think it was the bravery of how we set up rather than the personnel that made the difference. Hope Murnin is back for Galway as he's been brilliant this year but has a job getting his place back.
Wouldn't mind seeing either him or Oisin in for Soupy the next day.
Quote from: balladmaker on June 03, 2024, 06:12:13 PMAgreed tbrick18, that's exactly how I see it ... winning at a canter against a Derry team not up for the fight is one thing, backing it up the next day would be confirmation that Armagh are undisputedly trending upwards in the pecking order. But that is exactly the opportunity that McGeeney and Armagh want to have, and no better team to square up to than Galway.
There was one penalty between Armagh winning Ulster and the actual result. They have a lot going for them. They also lost the qf on penalties in 2022. They have the class.
Quote from: seafoid on June 03, 2024, 08:58:51 PMQuote from: balladmaker on June 03, 2024, 06:12:13 PMAgreed tbrick18, that's exactly how I see it ... winning at a canter against a Derry team not up for the fight is one thing, backing it up the next day would be confirmation that Armagh are undisputedly trending upwards in the pecking order. But that is exactly the opportunity that McGeeney and Armagh want to have, and no better team to square up to than Galway.
There was one penalty between Armagh winning Ulster and the actual result. They have a lot going for them. They also lost the qf on penalties in 2022. They have the class.
We're 4 penalty shootouts away from back to back Ulsters and all ireland semis. Sicken yer fecking hole but we'd all 4 games won and managed to snap a draw from the jaws of victory every time.
Eamonn Sweeney in the Indo notes Armagh's tendency towards systems failure on close finishes.
Quote from: seafoid on June 03, 2024, 09:09:25 PMEamonn Sweeney in the Indo notes Armagh's tendency towards systems failure on close finishes.
A blind man could see that lol
Armagh weren't great last few years I thought. The Galway keeper kept them in it and Derry had a mess of a build up. Monaghan wouldn't be fantastic but they kept them in it. They do appear very good this year though.
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 03, 2024, 09:08:16 PMQuote from: seafoid on June 03, 2024, 08:58:51 PMQuote from: balladmaker on June 03, 2024, 06:12:13 PMAgreed tbrick18, that's exactly how I see it ... winning at a canter against a Derry team not up for the fight is one thing, backing it up the next day would be confirmation that Armagh are undisputedly trending upwards in the pecking order. But that is exactly the opportunity that McGeeney and Armagh want to have, and no better team to square up to than Galway.
There was one penalty between Armagh winning Ulster and the actual result. They have a lot going for them. They also lost the qf on penalties in 2022. They have the class.
We're 4 penalty shootouts away from back to back Ulsters and all ireland semis. Sicken yer fecking hole but we'd all 4 games won and managed to snap a draw from the jaws of victory every time.
Another narrative would be:
Derry were in control for most of the Ulster Final and had Rogers fisted attempt had gone over, for a 3pt lead, instead hitting the post in the 65 minute, Derry would've been home and hosed.
Galway were 6pts up going into injury time and Gleeson had two brain farts. Even with that Walsh(?) hit a cross field pass that was never on, had he taken it into the corner it was game over as well.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 03, 2024, 09:15:46 PMArmagh weren't great last few years I thought. The Galway keeper kept them in it and Derry had a mess of a build up. Monaghan wouldn't be fantastic but they kept them in it. They do appear very good this year though.
We'd a good league, a shite league final bar 15 minutes, good half against Fermanagh, shite against Down, good Ulster final for 50 minutes or whatever it was, then a solid game against Westmeath and were unreal yesterday.
Kind of performance yesterday that we've had in the locker but just havent produced. 3-17 is some scoring, Donegal and Galway didn't beat Derry by as big a margin as we did so as bad they were we were obviously very good as well. Galway will be a different level of challenge though so as great as that win feels we'll need to get focused again for 2 weeks. :)
Quote from: Estimator on June 03, 2024, 09:27:59 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on June 03, 2024, 09:08:16 PMQuote from: seafoid on June 03, 2024, 08:58:51 PMQuote from: balladmaker on June 03, 2024, 06:12:13 PMAgreed tbrick18, that's exactly how I see it ... winning at a canter against a Derry team not up for the fight is one thing, backing it up the next day would be confirmation that Armagh are undisputedly trending upwards in the pecking order. But that is exactly the opportunity that McGeeney and Armagh want to have, and no better team to square up to than Galway.
There was one penalty between Armagh winning Ulster and the actual result. They have a lot going for them. They also lost the qf on penalties in 2022. They have the class.
We're 4 penalty shootouts away from back to back Ulsters and all ireland semis. Sicken yer fecking hole but we'd all 4 games won and managed to snap a draw from the jaws of victory every time.
Another narrative would be:
Derry were in control for most of the Ulster Final and had Rogers fisted attempt had gone over, for a 3pt lead, instead hitting the post in the 65 minute, Derry would've been home and hosed.
Galway were 6pts up going into injury time and Gleeson had two brain farts. Even with that Walsh(?) hit a cross field pass that was never on, had he taken it into the corner it was game over as well.
True but then against Derry Grugan missed a mark that he'd score 9/10 times, Rian missed a handy free and we gifted them a goal.
Galway fair enough but we did get a bullshit red card that day and it ain't our problem they'd a keeper in with a high ball allergy.
You were fantastic against Donegal too and should have won. The down game was a banana skin and just had to be won.
Honestly think last few years you were poor and got to penalties etc despite that but are now finally a good team.
Quote from: bennydorano on June 03, 2024, 08:44:43 PMThe Galway match is just one for winning, it could be a dour watch for neutrals.
Would we have won that way yesterday with Ciaran Mackin, Murnin and Peter McGrane (as Ross McQuillan made such a huge difference)? Probably not, maybe the unfortunate circumstances could give the management more impetus to be brave every time
If murnin was fit he would have been out round the middle I would suspect and the mackin change was like for like think that's a bit harsh as have been two of armaghs two performers in last year.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 03, 2024, 09:35:20 PMYou were fantastic against Donegal too and should have won. The down game was a banana skin and just had to be won.
Honestly think last few years you were poor and got to penalties etc despite that but are now finally a good team.
Personally I don't think Armagh were good enough over the last few years. Even in gallaghers first year, Derry should have beat Armagh during covid games.
Derry were a shambles last year for the Ulster final and Armagh couldn't win.
Losing so many games they were in positions to win says would suggest quality is not there.
This year Armagh had the handy Ulster draw and were poor up until the final.
Whilst Donegal look strong, we now know Derry are falling apart and they've just been beaten by Cork so maybe we need some perspective there too.
Yes Armagh looked impressive against us yesterday but the jury is still out as the quality of who they've played this year so far is not clear.
But like I said earlier, post a good performance against Galway and win, then we will have a clearer view on quality.
When will the date and venue be decided for Armagh Galway game ?
Quote from: downtown on June 04, 2024, 10:11:57 AMWhen will the date and venue be decided for Armagh Galway game ?
Today apparently.
A lot of sense talked in the last few pages...Armagh are decent and can be better when they're on the front foot like Sunday, they need to go after teams early and if they can get a few pts of a lead then they can build on that. Derry were really poor on Sunday and not in a good place atm so it's really difficult to compare that performance from Armagh. Galway will be a different test and should Armagfh win that game then we can hope for a kind quarter final draw and see where that takes us. A Galway defeat gives us a home draw against a 3rd place team which is still positive. For me the Galway game next tells us more of where we're at.
Stefan didn't have his best game v Derry and may not keep his place. However, KMcG has proved to be quite loyal so you never know. Oisin O'Neill has quality but it's clear on the eye test that he wouldn't have the mobility and athleticism of the midfielders currently playing and I think the last 10-15mins of a game will suit him better, one thing though about him he's a quality footballer and if he can get fitter and sharper he'll def get more game time.
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 03, 2024, 09:34:00 PMQuote from: Estimator on June 03, 2024, 09:27:59 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on June 03, 2024, 09:08:16 PMQuote from: seafoid on June 03, 2024, 08:58:51 PMQuote from: balladmaker on June 03, 2024, 06:12:13 PMAgreed tbrick18, that's exactly how I see it ... winning at a canter against a Derry team not up for the fight is one thing, backing it up the next day would be confirmation that Armagh are undisputedly trending upwards in the pecking order. But that is exactly the opportunity that McGeeney and Armagh want to have, and no better team to square up to than Galway.
There was one penalty between Armagh winning Ulster and the actual result. They have a lot going for them. They also lost the qf on penalties in 2022. They have the class.
We're 4 penalty shootouts away from back to back Ulsters and all ireland semis. Sicken yer fecking hole but we'd all 4 games won and managed to snap a draw from the jaws of victory every time.
Another narrative would be:
Derry were in control for most of the Ulster Final and had Rogers fisted attempt had gone over, for a 3pt lead, instead hitting the post in the 65 minute, Derry would've been home and hosed.
Galway were 6pts up going into injury time and Gleeson had two brain farts. Even with that Walsh(?) hit a cross field pass that was never on, had he taken it into the corner it was game over as well.
True but then against Derry Grugan missed a mark that he'd score 9/10 times, Rian missed a handy free and we gifted them a goal.
Galway fair enough but we did get a bullshit red card that day and it ain't our problem they'd a keeper in with a high ball allergy.
The first time ive ever heard someone call that a BS red card. Red no question. McCabe was actually on a yellow if i recall correctly, albiet Coldrick gave a straight red
https://www.balls.ie/gaa/greg-mccabe-red-card-armagh-galway-514660
Armagh went back to 15 anyway after FT because of that stupid quirk in the rulebook (now removed). And then got the considerable benefit of Sean Kelly getting phantomly sent off along with Nugent.
Its not a game Armagh left behind anyway. Absolute freak occurrence that game finished level
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 04, 2024, 10:17:55 AMQuote from: downtown on June 04, 2024, 10:11:57 AMWhen will the date and venue be decided for Armagh Galway game ?
Today apparently.
Sligo. Time and date TBC
Watched the game back there and was wondering should nipping an opposition player be a red or yellow card offence?
Quote from: screenexile on June 04, 2024, 01:06:08 PMWatched the game back there and was wondering should nipping an opposition player be a red or yellow card offence?
Neither, should just be a bit of craic.
Galway v Armagh, Avantcard Páirc Sean MacDiarmada, 4pm
Westmeath v Tyrone, Kingspan Breffni Park, 4pm
Quote from: cornetto on June 04, 2024, 01:21:44 PMGalway v Armagh, Avantcard Páirc Sean MacDiarmada, 4pm
Westmeath v Tyrone, Kingspan Breffni Park, 4pm
Its in Sligo I heard not Leitrim...
Quote from: cornetto on June 04, 2024, 01:21:44 PMGalway v Armagh, Avantcard Páirc Sean MacDiarmada, 4pm
Westmeath v Tyrone, Kingspan Breffni Park, 4pm
Westmeath v Derry. ?
Quote from: cornetto on June 04, 2024, 01:21:44 PMGalway v Armagh, Avantcard Páirc Sean MacDiarmada, 4pm
Westmeath v Tyrone, Kingspan Breffni Park, 4pm
Are you stuck in 2023?
Quote from: highorlow on June 04, 2024, 01:23:28 PMQuote from: cornetto on June 04, 2024, 01:21:44 PMGalway v Armagh, Avantcard Páirc Sean MacDiarmada, 4pm
Westmeath v Tyrone, Kingspan Breffni Park, 4pm
Its in Sligo I heard not Leitrim...
In Connacht again, doesn't strike me as particularly fair but there you go
No pitch in Carrick these days.
Markievicz Park, Sligo
Quote from: cornetto on June 04, 2024, 01:21:44 PMGalway v Armagh, Avantcard Páirc Sean MacDiarmada, 4pm
Westmeath v Tyrone, Kingspan Breffni Park, 4pm
At least Tony Fearon's famous hotel booking only missed by a week, but the wrong year is well out.
I live in Dublin, Sligo is about as far away as you could put this game.
Quote from: David McKeown on June 04, 2024, 01:39:31 PMQuote from: highorlow on June 04, 2024, 01:23:28 PMQuote from: cornetto on June 04, 2024, 01:21:44 PMGalway v Armagh, Avantcard Páirc Sean MacDiarmada, 4pm
Westmeath v Tyrone, Kingspan Breffni Park, 4pm
Its in Sligo I heard not Leitrim...
In Connacht again, doesn't strike me as particularly fair but there you go
Galway have played their twice in a decade and were deplorable their last outing there. Can't see it as much of an advantage. Equal driving time from both counties, although doesn't leave much public transport options
Where would you have played it?
Tony Mac will look after us...any word if it's a Sat or Sunday, I've heard it's 4pm so assuming it's a Sunday
I haven't seen anyone mention it but Glass and Rodgers have not had a break in over a year playing roughly similar games for Glen, Slaughtneil and Derry and to cap it all Rodgers is a dual player. Could explain the fatigue, coming down from a great win against the Dubs can be hard to get the levels back. But great to see Armagh play some quality football, they need to push on though.
Quote from: Manning18 on June 04, 2024, 02:01:12 PMQuote from: David McKeown on June 04, 2024, 01:39:31 PMQuote from: highorlow on June 04, 2024, 01:23:28 PMQuote from: cornetto on June 04, 2024, 01:21:44 PMGalway v Armagh, Avantcard Páirc Sean MacDiarmada, 4pm
Westmeath v Tyrone, Kingspan Breffni Park, 4pm
Its in Sligo I heard not Leitrim...
In Connacht again, doesn't strike me as particularly fair but there you go
Galway have played their twice in a decade and were deplorable their last outing there. Can't see it as much of an advantage. Equal driving time from both counties, although doesn't leave much public transport options
Where would you have played it?
Brefni Pk, Cavan. surely Sligo will not hold the fans both Counties will want to bring to the game
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 03, 2024, 10:21:17 PMPersonally I don't think Armagh were good enough over the last few years. Even in gallaghers first year, Derry should have beat Armagh during covid games.
Derry were a shambles last year for the Ulster final and Armagh couldn't win.
Losing so many games they were in positions to win says would suggest quality is not there.
I'd have thought the tanking on Sunday would have cut out the condescending posts from some Derry posters but obviously not........
Quote from: illdecide on June 04, 2024, 02:01:35 PMTony Mac will look after us...any word if it's a Sat or Sunday, I've heard it's 4pm so assuming it's a Sunday
Sunday 1:45pm is reported not confirmed yet.
Quote from: illdecide on June 04, 2024, 02:02:41 PMQuote from: Manning18 on June 04, 2024, 02:01:12 PMQuote from: David McKeown on June 04, 2024, 01:39:31 PMQuote from: highorlow on June 04, 2024, 01:23:28 PMQuote from: cornetto on June 04, 2024, 01:21:44 PMGalway v Armagh, Avantcard Páirc Sean MacDiarmada, 4pm
Westmeath v Tyrone, Kingspan Breffni Park, 4pm
Its in Sligo I heard not Leitrim...
In Connacht again, doesn't strike me as particularly fair but there you go
Galway have played their twice in a decade and were deplorable their last outing there. Can't see it as much of an advantage. Equal driving time from both counties, although doesn't leave much public transport options
Where would you have played it?
Brefni Pk, Cavan. surely Sligo will not hold the fans both Counties will want to bring to the game
Last years game in Carrick not selling out probably put paid to the capacity concern
If an equal distance from both Sligo is unfair then surely Ulster venue Cavan thats much closer to Armagh is even more unfair. I thought Navan or Mullingar would be fair enough venues but can't see how many can have complaints about Sligo, bar the roads from both directions being a bit crap
Some Armagh fans on social media losing their minds over it
I've no issue with Sligo TBH, just looked up it's capacity there and is bigger than i thought (15,000 - 18,000, depending on Safety Certs etc).
A bitch of a drive coming from North Armagh but hey ho
I'm not sure it's half way or close.
Randomly put Crossmaglen (2 hr 24), Armagh (2hr 16) and Lurgan (2hr 22) into google maps and compared that to Tuam (1 hr 22), Galway (1 hr 59) and Clifden (2 hr 29). There will be lot more coming from Cross and Lurgan than from clifden and Letterfrack.
The route from the south of the county is tortuous.
Quote from: Manning18 on June 04, 2024, 02:01:12 PMQuote from: David McKeown on June 04, 2024, 01:39:31 PMQuote from: highorlow on June 04, 2024, 01:23:28 PMQuote from: cornetto on June 04, 2024, 01:21:44 PMGalway v Armagh, Avantcard Páirc Sean MacDiarmada, 4pm
Westmeath v Tyrone, Kingspan Breffni Park, 4pm
Its in Sligo I heard not Leitrim...
In Connacht again, doesn't strike me as particularly fair but there you go
Galway have played their twice in a decade and were deplorable their last outing there. Can't see it as much of an advantage. Equal driving time from both counties, although doesn't leave much public transport options
Where would you have played it?
Is that in the championship or in all competitions?
Anyway Breffni, Mullingar or even Dublin would I think have been fairer given it was in Connacht last year. But anyway lets get on with it
Ahhhh it's that stage of the Championship where Armagh ones start complaining about venues. Happy neutral venue week everyone!
I'd have been happy to play it in Clifden ;)
Cahair O'Kane has the unconfirmed venues on Twitter:
Saturday
7pm Newry: Derry v Westmeath (GAAGO)
Sunday
1.45pm Sligo: Galway v Armagh (RTE)
Quote from: Estimator on June 04, 2024, 02:34:25 PMCahair O'Kane has the unconfirmed venues on Twitter:
Saturday
7pm Newry: Derry v Westmeath (GAAGO)
Sunday
1.45pm Sligo: Galway v Armagh (RTE)
Confirmed by GAA themselves now.
Quote from: Manning18 on June 04, 2024, 02:13:44 PMQuote from: illdecide on June 04, 2024, 02:02:41 PMQuote from: Manning18 on June 04, 2024, 02:01:12 PMQuote from: David McKeown on June 04, 2024, 01:39:31 PMQuote from: highorlow on June 04, 2024, 01:23:28 PMQuote from: cornetto on June 04, 2024, 01:21:44 PMGalway v Armagh, Avantcard Páirc Sean MacDiarmada, 4pm
Westmeath v Tyrone, Kingspan Breffni Park, 4pm
Its in Sligo I heard not Leitrim...
In Connacht again, doesn't strike me as particularly fair but there you go
Galway have played their twice in a decade and were deplorable their last outing there. Can't see it as much of an advantage. Equal driving time from both counties, although doesn't leave much public transport options
Where would you have played it?
Brefni Pk, Cavan. surely Sligo will not hold the fans both Counties will want to bring to the game
Last years game in Carrick not selling out probably put paid to the capacity concern
If an equal distance from both Sligo is unfair then surely Ulster venue Cavan thats much closer to Armagh is even more unfair. I thought Navan or Mullingar would be fair enough venues but can't see how many can have complaints about Sligo, bar the roads from both directions being a bit crap
Some Armagh fans on social media losing their minds over it
Some of our fans on social media are embarrassing
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 04, 2024, 02:20:23 PMAhhhh it's that stage of the Championship where Armagh ones start complaining about venues. Happy neutral venue week everyone!
Most of us don't care
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 04, 2024, 02:53:57 PMQuote from: Manning18 on June 04, 2024, 02:13:44 PMQuote from: illdecide on June 04, 2024, 02:02:41 PMQuote from: Manning18 on June 04, 2024, 02:01:12 PMQuote from: David McKeown on June 04, 2024, 01:39:31 PMQuote from: highorlow on June 04, 2024, 01:23:28 PMQuote from: cornetto on June 04, 2024, 01:21:44 PMGalway v Armagh, Avantcard Páirc Sean MacDiarmada, 4pm
Westmeath v Tyrone, Kingspan Breffni Park, 4pm
Its in Sligo I heard not Leitrim...
In Connacht again, doesn't strike me as particularly fair but there you go
Galway have played their twice in a decade and were deplorable their last outing there. Can't see it as much of an advantage. Equal driving time from both counties, although doesn't leave much public transport options
Where would you have played it?
Brefni Pk, Cavan. surely Sligo will not hold the fans both Counties will want to bring to the game
Last years game in Carrick not selling out probably put paid to the capacity concern
If an equal distance from both Sligo is unfair then surely Ulster venue Cavan thats much closer to Armagh is even more unfair. I thought Navan or Mullingar would be fair enough venues but can't see how many can have complaints about Sligo, bar the roads from both directions being a bit crap
Some Armagh fans on social media losing their minds over it
Some of our fans on social media are embarrassing
The same ones no doubt complained about not getting a ticket for ulster final as had no club.
Quote from: Manning18 on June 04, 2024, 02:13:44 PMQuote from: illdecide on June 04, 2024, 02:02:41 PMQuote from: Manning18 on June 04, 2024, 02:01:12 PMQuote from: David McKeown on June 04, 2024, 01:39:31 PMQuote from: highorlow on June 04, 2024, 01:23:28 PMQuote from: cornetto on June 04, 2024, 01:21:44 PMGalway v Armagh, Avantcard Páirc Sean MacDiarmada, 4pm
Westmeath v Tyrone, Kingspan Breffni Park, 4pm
Its in Sligo I heard not Leitrim...
In Connacht again, doesn't strike me as particularly fair but there you go
Galway have played their twice in a decade and were deplorable their last outing there. Can't see it as much of an advantage. Equal driving time from both counties, although doesn't leave much public transport options
Where would you have played it?
Brefni Pk, Cavan. surely Sligo will not hold the fans both Counties will want to bring to the game
Last years game in Carrick not selling out probably put paid to the capacity concern
If an equal distance from both Sligo is unfair then surely Ulster venue Cavan thats much closer to Armagh is even more unfair. I thought Navan or Mullingar would be fair enough venues but can't see how many can have complaints about Sligo, bar the roads from both directions being a bit crap
Some Armagh fans on social media losing their minds over it
Armagh will get on with it and still bring huge numbers.
To be fair though the only camp where we heard soundbites and subtle comments about the venue were from Galway over the past week or so. This is a good venue choice for Galway football areas. It's a pitch but no way would an Ulster venue be selected two years in a row.
Quote from: Gael80 on June 04, 2024, 03:01:17 PMQuote from: Manning18 on June 04, 2024, 02:13:44 PMQuote from: illdecide on June 04, 2024, 02:02:41 PMQuote from: Manning18 on June 04, 2024, 02:01:12 PMQuote from: David McKeown on June 04, 2024, 01:39:31 PMQuote from: highorlow on June 04, 2024, 01:23:28 PMQuote from: cornetto on June 04, 2024, 01:21:44 PMGalway v Armagh, Avantcard Páirc Sean MacDiarmada, 4pm
Westmeath v Tyrone, Kingspan Breffni Park, 4pm
Its in Sligo I heard not Leitrim...
In Connacht again, doesn't strike me as particularly fair but there you go
Galway have played their twice in a decade and were deplorable their last outing there. Can't see it as much of an advantage. Equal driving time from both counties, although doesn't leave much public transport options
Where would you have played it?
Brefni Pk, Cavan. surely Sligo will not hold the fans both Counties will want to bring to the game
Last years game in Carrick not selling out probably put paid to the capacity concern
If an equal distance from both Sligo is unfair then surely Ulster venue Cavan thats much closer to Armagh is even more unfair. I thought Navan or Mullingar would be fair enough venues but can't see how many can have complaints about Sligo, bar the roads from both directions being a bit crap
Some Armagh fans on social media losing their minds over it
Armagh will get on with it and still bring huge numbers.
To be fair though the only camp where we heard soundbites and subtle comments about the venue were from Galway over the past week or so. This is a good venue choice for Galway football areas. It's a pitch but no way would an Ulster venue be choosen two years in a row.
Hmmm not sure. They didn't bring huge numbers last year to Carrick on Shannon for the same fixture (6800), nor to Celtic Park at the weekend.
Armagh 8/13 favourites Boylesports clearly on the hype train very short price.
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 04, 2024, 03:05:58 PMQuote from: Gael80 on June 04, 2024, 03:01:17 PMQuote from: Manning18 on June 04, 2024, 02:13:44 PMQuote from: illdecide on June 04, 2024, 02:02:41 PMQuote from: Manning18 on June 04, 2024, 02:01:12 PMQuote from: David McKeown on June 04, 2024, 01:39:31 PMQuote from: highorlow on June 04, 2024, 01:23:28 PMQuote from: cornetto on June 04, 2024, 01:21:44 PMGalway v Armagh, Avantcard Páirc Sean MacDiarmada, 4pm
Westmeath v Tyrone, Kingspan Breffni Park, 4pm
Its in Sligo I heard not Leitrim...
In Connacht again, doesn't strike me as particularly fair but there you go
Galway have played their twice in a decade and were deplorable their last outing there. Can't see it as much of an advantage. Equal driving time from both counties, although doesn't leave much public transport options
Where would you have played it?
Brefni Pk, Cavan. surely Sligo will not hold the fans both Counties will want to bring to the game
Last years game in Carrick not selling out probably put paid to the capacity concern
If an equal distance from both Sligo is unfair then surely Ulster venue Cavan thats much closer to Armagh is even more unfair. I thought Navan or Mullingar would be fair enough venues but can't see how many can have complaints about Sligo, bar the roads from both directions being a bit crap
Some Armagh fans on social media losing their minds over it
Armagh will get on with it and still bring huge numbers.
To be fair though the only camp where we heard soundbites and subtle comments about the venue were from Galway over the past week or so. This is a good venue choice for Galway football areas. It's a pitch but no way would an Ulster venue be choosen two years in a row.
Hmmm not sure. They didn't bring huge numbers last year to Carrick on Shannon for the same fixture (6800), nor to Celtic Park at the weekend.
What was the attendance last weekend at Celtic Park? Didn't seem to be a lot of Armagh ones there but at the end, after the Derry ones had left, there was a lot more than I thought
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 04, 2024, 03:28:11 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on June 04, 2024, 03:05:58 PMQuote from: Gael80 on June 04, 2024, 03:01:17 PMQuote from: Manning18 on June 04, 2024, 02:13:44 PMQuote from: illdecide on June 04, 2024, 02:02:41 PMQuote from: Manning18 on June 04, 2024, 02:01:12 PMQuote from: David McKeown on June 04, 2024, 01:39:31 PMQuote from: highorlow on June 04, 2024, 01:23:28 PMQuote from: cornetto on June 04, 2024, 01:21:44 PMGalway v Armagh, Avantcard Páirc Sean MacDiarmada, 4pm
Westmeath v Tyrone, Kingspan Breffni Park, 4pm
Its in Sligo I heard not Leitrim...
In Connacht again, doesn't strike me as particularly fair but there you go
Galway have played their twice in a decade and were deplorable their last outing there. Can't see it as much of an advantage. Equal driving time from both counties, although doesn't leave much public transport options
Where would you have played it?
Brefni Pk, Cavan. surely Sligo will not hold the fans both Counties will want to bring to the game
Last years game in Carrick not selling out probably put paid to the capacity concern
If an equal distance from both Sligo is unfair then surely Ulster venue Cavan thats much closer to Armagh is even more unfair. I thought Navan or Mullingar would be fair enough venues but can't see how many can have complaints about Sligo, bar the roads from both directions being a bit crap
Some Armagh fans on social media losing their minds over it
Armagh will get on with it and still bring huge numbers.
To be fair though the only camp where we heard soundbites and subtle comments about the venue were from Galway over the past week or so. This is a good venue choice for Galway football areas. It's a pitch but no way would an Ulster venue be choosen two years in a row.
Hmmm not sure. They didn't bring huge numbers last year to Carrick on Shannon for the same fixture (6800), nor to Celtic Park at the weekend.
What was the attendance last weekend at Celtic Park? Didn't seem to be a lot of Armagh ones there but at the end, after the Derry ones had left, there was a lot more than I thought
I think some Derry ones borrowed an Armagh hat or flag near the end.
As long as Armagh or Donegal don't get to the final that is all I care about for the rest of the championship.
Derry will beat Westmeath, imagine the uproar if Harte knocked Tyrone out of the championship in the preliminary QF.
8k at Celtic park supposedly. Was weird though as the seats and the bluebell terrace seemed full. The college field behind the goal was about half full
Quote from: mackers on June 04, 2024, 02:10:27 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on June 03, 2024, 10:21:17 PMPersonally I don't think Armagh were good enough over the last few years. Even in gallaghers first year, Derry should have beat Armagh during covid games.
Derry were a shambles last year for the Ulster final and Armagh couldn't win.
Losing so many games they were in positions to win says would suggest quality is not there.
I'd have thought the tanking on Sunday would have cut out the condescending posts from some Derry posters but obviously not........
Wasn't meant to be condescending, I've said the same things on here over this last couple of years, it's my opinion. Not meant to belittle anyone or any team.
I've also said that Armagh were very impressive on Sunday and Derry were awful and have been awful since Donegal.
Quote from: johnnycool on June 03, 2024, 10:32:54 AMQuote from: marty34 on June 03, 2024, 10:05:35 AMIn soccer parlance, Harte and Devlin have lost the changng room.
Very clear to be seen.
When you see how well Louth have pushed on under Brennan, it's clear to see they're not that tactically aware, especially how bad they've been caught out since the Donegal game.
No Plan B.
But after the rows in Portugal it's clear to see the players have downed tools so the players must share the flack also.
The biggest thing is the fall - how far have things went south in the Derry camp in a month. Some drop off in standards. Derry pushing for All-Ireland finals this past two years, winning Div. 1 NFL (I know it's only the league) but the self-implosion has been crazy this year.
Good chance they'll get Gallagher back......and there'll be no more trips abroad.
Big Glass cut a frustrated figure yesterday afternoon and it's not like him waving arms and the likes.
Did old club rivalries come to the boil in Portugal?
I'm hearing the Slaughtneil lads had told their hurling manager they'd be concentrating on club football this year and that was one of the reasons he stepped down.
It is silly for Glen and Slaughtneil to hate eachother as they will all end up as bones in the same graveyard. They are stuck with eachother for eternity.
Quote from: marty34 on June 03, 2024, 10:05:35 AMIn soccer parlance, Harte and Devlin have lost the changng room.
Very clear to be seen.
When you see how well Louth have pushed on under Brennan, it's clear to see they're not that tactically aware, especially how bad they've been caught out since the Donegal game.
No Plan B.
But after the rows in Portugal it's clear to see the players have downed tools so the players must share the flack also.
The biggest thing is the fall - how far have things went south in the Derry camp in a month. Some drop off in standards. Derry pushing for All-Ireland finals this past two years, winning Div. 1 NFL (I know it's only the league) but the self-implosion has been crazy this year.
Good chance they'll get Gallagher back......and there'll be no more trips abroad.
Don't think Gallagher will ever be back. Certainly hope not.
Did McDaid spend much time at full forward on Sunday? Comer a huge loss, Armagh at even money with PP seems like a decent bet to me.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 04, 2024, 06:14:24 PMDid McDaid spend much time at full forward on Sunday? Comer a huge loss, Armagh at even money with PP seems like a decent bet to me.
Cute hoorism in already;)
Mackin, O'Neill and Murnin 3 massive losses for us, but maybe we'll get Murnin back. Not sure who'll take Walsh, definitely miss Morgan for that job. At least it can't go to penalties anyway.
Comer missing certainly tips the balance in Armagh's favor for sure, but there will be the bare minimum in this one.
I think both teams coming away unscathed would be a victory in itself at this point considering they are both progressing through to knockout football.
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 04, 2024, 06:19:55 PMQuote from: Maroon Manc on June 04, 2024, 06:14:24 PMDid McDaid spend much time at full forward on Sunday? Comer a huge loss, Armagh at even money with PP seems like a decent bet to me.
Cute hoorism in already;)
Mackin, O'Neill and Murnin 3 massive losses for us, but maybe we'll get Murnin back. Not sure who'll take Walsh, definitely miss Morgan for that job. At least it can't go to penalties anyway.
McCambridge has probably done enough last week to get job.Marked Walsh well in league game last year too think may have kept him scoreless from play.
You can't fancy Galway in any big game without Damo. He is that important to us.
The other two bucks big losses also - Finnerty especially as we only have three lads who can do damage on the scoreboard and himself and Comer are two of them.
Armagh are now 3rd favourites for the all Ireland with some bookies.
A meteoric rise in one weekend.
They've looked good in Ulster final and at the weekend.
But we need to be wary of recency bias.
Would love to see them get to a semi or final however.
What is the minimum for Geezer this year. Like if he had them last 4 would people be delighted?
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 04, 2024, 09:15:50 PMArmagh are now 3rd favourites for the all Ireland with some bookies.
A meteoric rise in one weekend.
They've looked good in Ulster final and at the weekend.
But we need to be wary of recency bias.
Would love to see them get to a semi or final however.
Bookies and punters are expecting the group winners to reach the last four.
Armagh couldn't have got any closer to semi finals the last two years with Quarter final penalty shoot out losses. Back in Div 1 again next year which will be their 4th year in the last 5 years in the top division the job and improvement McGeeney has brought to Armagh is underrated IMO.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 04, 2024, 09:15:50 PMArmagh are now 3rd favourites for the all Ireland with some bookies.
A meteoric rise in one weekend.
They've looked good in Ulster final and at the weekend.
But we need to be wary of recency bias.
Would love to see them get to a semi or final however.
One good game doesn't make us third favourites. As I said all along, theres not an awful pile between about half a dozen teams and Derry are included in that if they get their act together obviously.
Hopefully we take some confidence from that performance and push on. We've enough on the first team and on the bench in terms of skill, fitness and physicality to compete against everyone, we just need that rub of the green and abit more belief imo.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on June 04, 2024, 09:24:50 PMWhat is the minimum for Geezer this year. Like if he had them last 4 would people be delighted?
We're not even in a quarter final yet so I suppose we need to be realistic and take one step at a time. Progress would obviously be a step further than last year so a semi final would be nice and once you're there anything can happen.
Quote from: galwayman on June 04, 2024, 09:05:00 PMYou can't fancy Galway in any big game without Damo. He is that important to us.
The other two bucks big losses also - Finnerty especially as we only have three lads who can do damage on the scoreboard and himself and Comer are two of them.
Think in Croker that time we kept Walsh and Comer relatively quiet, Finnerty and your midfielders done the harm that day. I'd say both teams will be keen to get through this injury free given the big names both have lost.
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 04, 2024, 09:27:09 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 04, 2024, 09:15:50 PMArmagh are now 3rd favourites for the all Ireland with some bookies.
A meteoric rise in one weekend.
They've looked good in Ulster final and at the weekend.
But we need to be wary of recency bias.
Would love to see them get to a semi or final however.
Bookies and punters are expecting the group winners to reach the last four.
Armagh couldn't have got any closer to semi finals the last two years with Quarter final penalty shoot out losses. Back in Div 1 again next year which will be their 4th year in the last 5 years in the top division the job and improvement McGeeney has brought to Armagh is underrated IMO.
The funny thing is that Paddy Power have Armagh as favourites for the Galway game.
But Galway as 3rd favourites for All Ireland ahead of Armagh.
Boyle have Armagh at 3rd favourites however.
Paddy Power expecting the return of Comer and Finnerty in a last 12 game it seems.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on June 04, 2024, 09:24:50 PMWhat is the minimum for Geezer this year. Like if he had them last 4 would people be delighted?
I think the minimum was the Ulster championship given the draw we got.
Last 4 would be seen as progress from what he has delivered before, so I suppose by that reckoning that would be minimum expectations for most fans.
The amount of noise heard after the ulster final about how he has taken the team as far as they can go etc was ridiculous, again anything less than progress wouldn't cut it for a lot of fans.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on June 04, 2024, 09:24:50 PMWhat is the minimum for Geezer this year. Like if he had them last 4 would people be delighted?
Why would you be delighted? We're in the semis lads, sure that'll do us.
If a team don't believe they can win Sam , why are they even bothering?
Quote from: galwayman on June 04, 2024, 09:05:00 PMYou can't fancy Galway in any big game without Damo. He is that important to us.
The other two bucks big losses also - Finnerty especially as we only have three lads who can do damage on the scoreboard and himself and Comer are two of them.
Galway definitely not the same side without Comer. He's literally a difference maker. He raises the level of the players around him when he's on the pitch. Kelly and Finnerty serious losses as well. Finnerty is playing the best football of his career. Kelly not back to his best yet after his long injury but one of the best footballers in the country when he's 100%. Those are players you need going up against the best sides.
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 04, 2024, 11:17:05 PMQuote from: Captain Scarlet on June 04, 2024, 09:24:50 PMWhat is the minimum for Geezer this year. Like if he had them last 4 would people be delighted?
Why would you be delighted? We're in the semis lads, sure that'll do us.
If a team don't believe they can win Sam , why are they even bothering?
Absolutely, every team needs to go in with the expectation that they can win on any given day or why bother. Realistically though we aren't even in the last 8 yet so talking about anything after Galway is kinda of a waste of time.
First job is to get to Croker preferably by beating Galway or else beating a third place team at home.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 04, 2024, 11:25:07 PMQuote from: galwayman on June 04, 2024, 09:05:00 PMYou can't fancy Galway in any big game without Damo. He is that important to us.
The other two bucks big losses also - Finnerty especially as we only have three lads who can do damage on the scoreboard and himself and Comer are two of them.
Galway definitely not the same side without Comer. He's literally a difference maker. He raises the level of the players around him when he's on the pitch. Kelly and Finnerty serious losses as well. Finnerty is playing the best football of his career. Kelly not back to his best yet after his long injury but one of the best footballers in the country when he's 100%. Those are players you need going up against the best sides.
Are they all definitely out
If it's one thing I've learned over the years is not to get carried away with Armagh as they will bite you on the ass at some stage, the win against Derry was great but i'm not losing the run of myself over it either. My mind hasn't changed much from a month ago, Dublin are no 1 and Kerry are no 2 teams in the Country. There is little to nothing separating the other Counties below who can all beat each other in any given day with a bit of luck. (They're in random order BTW)
Armagh
Derry
Tyrone
Mayo
Donegal
Cork
Galway
Roscommon and Monaghan can still pack a punch but seem to have dropped a bit this year. TBH I've not looked at the draw if in fact it has been made at this stage but if Dublin and Kerry can meet at a potential Semi final then one of the 7 teams above will get to an All Ireland Final and anything can happen in a one off game.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 04, 2024, 11:25:07 PMQuote from: galwayman on June 04, 2024, 09:05:00 PMYou can't fancy Galway in any big game without Damo. He is that important to us.
The other two bucks big losses also - Finnerty especially as we only have three lads who can do damage on the scoreboard and himself and Comer are two of them.
Galway definitely not the same side without Comer. He's literally a difference maker. He raises the level of the players around him when he's on the pitch. Kelly and Finnerty serious losses as well. Finnerty is playing the best football of his career. Kelly not back to his best yet after his long injury but one of the best footballers in the country when he's 100%. Those are players you need going up against the best sides.
Even from kickouts he's a huge out ball for Gleeson, took 2 marks against Derry & Mayo from kickouts which is phenomenal for someone playing full forward.
Didn't see the Westmeath game, did McDaid spend much time in the full forward line?
If Finnerty doesn't return then I just don't see how they'll get enough scores, just not enough scoring threat on the pitch last Sunday against Westmeath; Started the game with 7 natural defenders and 4 midfielders, O'Currain after a promising league is getting very little game time.
Lose and Galway are going to need a lot of luck to make inroads in the championship.
Quote from: illdecide on June 05, 2024, 10:33:59 AMIf it's one thing I've learned over the years is not to get carried away with Armagh as they will bite you on the ass at some stage, the win against Derry was great but i'm not losing the run of myself over it either. My mind hasn't changed much from a month ago, Dublin are no 1 and Kerry are no 2 teams in the Country. There is little to nothing separating the other Counties below who can all beat each other in any given day with a bit of luck. (They're in random order BTW)
Armagh
Derry
Tyrone
Mayo
Donegal
Cork
Galway
Roscommon and Monaghan can still pack a punch but seem to have dropped a bit this year. TBH I've not looked at the draw if in fact it has been made at this stage but if Dublin and Kerry can meet at a potential Semi final then one of the 7 teams above will get to an All Ireland Final and anything can happen in a one off game.
I don't see either Tyrone or Cork as being good enough to get to an AI final. With Derry's self implosion I don't see them salvaging anything from their season now either - a quarter final is the best they can hope for now. Armagh, Donegal, Mayo or Galway all have the potential to make a final depending on the draw. Otherwise I can only see it as being another Dublin v Kerry final.
Honestly think McDaid, Tierney Kelly and Daly are the vital cogs for Galway. Walsh and Comer can go missing at times. Great players all the same. Should be a good game.
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 04, 2024, 11:17:05 PMQuote from: Captain Scarlet on June 04, 2024, 09:24:50 PMWhat is the minimum for Geezer this year. Like if he had them last 4 would people be delighted?
Why would you be delighted? We're in the semis lads, sure that'll do us.
If a team don't believe they can win Sam , why are they even bothering?
I'm sure they all prepare to the best of their ability and go out and hope that it will go their way on the day and their coaches will come up with some sliver of something to give them an edge, but does any team outside of Kerry REALLY believe they'd beat Dublin more than 1-2 times out of 10?
In hindsight rushing The Glen players back with Derry without rest seems like such a dumb move.
Actually, forget hindsight, at the time it seemed a dumb move.
Quote from: blanketattack on June 05, 2024, 01:49:48 PMIn hindsight rushing The Glen players back with Derry without rest seems like such a dumb move.
Actually, forget hindsight, at the time it seemed a dumb move.
It was 2 years in a row as well they didn't get a break. Gallagher played them in first league game v Limerick in 2023 so even more reason to rest them this season.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 04, 2024, 10:44:05 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on June 04, 2024, 09:27:09 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 04, 2024, 09:15:50 PMArmagh are now 3rd favourites for the all Ireland with some bookies.
A meteoric rise in one weekend.
They've looked good in Ulster final and at the weekend.
But we need to be wary of recency bias.
Would love to see them get to a semi or final however.
Bookies and punters are expecting the group winners to reach the last four.
Armagh couldn't have got any closer to semi finals the last two years with Quarter final penalty shoot out losses. Back in Div 1 again next year which will be their 4th year in the last 5 years in the top division the job and improvement McGeeney has brought to Armagh is underrated IMO.
The funny thing is that Paddy Power have Armagh as favourites for the Galway game.
But Galway as 3rd favourites for All Ireland ahead of Armagh.
Boyle have Armagh at 3rd favourites however.
Paddy Power expecting the return of Comer and Finnerty in a last 12 game it seems.
And even then if Galway was to finish 2nd and win their Prem Quarter final they would likely face Kerry or Dublin in the last 8 and I can't see even a full strength Galway beating them in a knock out championship game.
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 05, 2024, 01:57:35 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 04, 2024, 10:44:05 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on June 04, 2024, 09:27:09 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 04, 2024, 09:15:50 PMArmagh are now 3rd favourites for the all Ireland with some bookies.
A meteoric rise in one weekend.
They've looked good in Ulster final and at the weekend.
But we need to be wary of recency bias.
Would love to see them get to a semi or final however.
Bookies and punters are expecting the group winners to reach the last four.
Armagh couldn't have got any closer to semi finals the last two years with Quarter final penalty shoot out losses. Back in Div 1 again next year which will be their 4th year in the last 5 years in the top division the job and improvement McGeeney has brought to Armagh is underrated IMO.
The funny thing is that Paddy Power have Armagh as favourites for the Galway game.
But Galway as 3rd favourites for All Ireland ahead of Armagh.
Boyle have Armagh at 3rd favourites however.
Paddy Power expecting the return of Comer and Finnerty in a last 12 game it seems.
And even then if Galway was to finish 2nd and win their Prem Quarter final they would likely face Kerry or Dublin in the last 8 and I can't see even a full strength Galway beating them in a knock out championship game.
i think Galway full out would have every chance. Kerry especially are nothing that special and Galway have the players to hurt them.
Quote from: clarshack on June 05, 2024, 01:55:33 PMQuote from: blanketattack on June 05, 2024, 01:49:48 PMIn hindsight rushing The Glen players back with Derry without rest seems like such a dumb move.
Actually, forget hindsight, at the time it seemed a dumb move.
It was 2 years in a row as well they didn't get a break. Gallagher played them in first league game v Limerick in 2023 so even more reason to rest them this season.
Didn't realise about the Limerick game. The game they won 0-16 to 0-04. Lucky they had the big guns back for that 🙄
Quote from: blanketattack on June 05, 2024, 01:49:48 PMIn hindsight rushing The Glen players back with Derry without rest seems like such a dumb move.
Actually, forget hindsight, at the time it seemed a dumb move.
What's the max you give them 2 weeks? Would that make much of a difference now. They all got time off during the league. Glass said he likes a game every week rather than long rest periods, it means lighter training. None of them have been injured. They had 4 weeks without a game after the Donegal game. There are plenty of reasons to criticise Harte the past few weeks but I don't think that's a factor.
No one mentioned it as an issue last year when they should have beat Kerry in the AI semi
Quote from: Mario on June 05, 2024, 02:22:03 PMQuote from: blanketattack on June 05, 2024, 01:49:48 PMIn hindsight rushing The Glen players back with Derry without rest seems like such a dumb move.
Actually, forget hindsight, at the time it seemed a dumb move.
What's the max you give them 2 weeks? Would that make much of a difference now. They all got time off during the league. Glass said he likes a game every week rather than long rest periods, it means lighter training. None of them have been injured. They had 4 weeks without a game after the Donegal game. There are plenty of reasons to criticise Harte the past few weeks but I don't think that's a factor.
When the dust settles, we'll look back to the few glorious years before Portugal and be thankful we had them 8). Post-Portugal is akin to some kind of GAA purgatory.
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 05, 2024, 02:07:05 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on June 05, 2024, 01:57:35 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 04, 2024, 10:44:05 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on June 04, 2024, 09:27:09 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 04, 2024, 09:15:50 PMArmagh are now 3rd favourites for the all Ireland with some bookies.
A meteoric rise in one weekend.
They've looked good in Ulster final and at the weekend.
But we need to be wary of recency bias.
Would love to see them get to a semi or final however.
Bookies and punters are expecting the group winners to reach the last four.
Armagh couldn't have got any closer to semi finals the last two years with Quarter final penalty shoot out losses. Back in Div 1 again next year which will be their 4th year in the last 5 years in the top division the job and improvement McGeeney has brought to Armagh is underrated IMO.
The funny thing is that Paddy Power have Armagh as favourites for the Galway game.
But Galway as 3rd favourites for All Ireland ahead of Armagh.
Boyle have Armagh at 3rd favourites however.
Paddy Power expecting the return of Comer and Finnerty in a last 12 game it seems.
And even then if Galway was to finish 2nd and win their Prem Quarter final they would likely face Kerry or Dublin in the last 8 and I can't see even a full strength Galway beating them in a knock out championship game.
i think Galway full out would have every chance. Kerry especially are nothing that special and Galway have the players to hurt them.
Players to hurt them no doubt but for me Kerry would find a way to edge a knock out championship game against Galway in the same way Dublin would against Kerry should they meet in the latter stages again.
Would love to see ourselves, Donegal or Galway get a go at Dublin, not saying any of those would beat them but just a fixture that hasn't happened in championship in a good few years, give us all something different. We've seen Kerry Dublin and Dublin Mayo enough over the last few years!
Quote from: illdecide on June 05, 2024, 10:33:59 AMIf it's one thing I've learned over the years is not to get carried away with Armagh as they will bite you on the ass at some stage, the win against Derry was great but i'm not losing the run of myself over it either. My mind hasn't changed much from a month ago, Dublin are no 1 and Kerry are no 2 teams in the Country. There is little to nothing separating the other Counties below who can all beat each other in any given day with a bit of luck. (They're in random order BTW)
Armagh
Derry
Tyrone
Mayo
Donegal
Cork
Galway
Roscommon and Monaghan can still pack a punch but seem to have dropped a bit this year. TBH I've not looked at the draw if in fact it has been made at this stage but if Dublin and Kerry can meet at a potential Semi final then one of the 7 teams above will get to an All Ireland Final and anything can happen in a one off game.
I think I'd have Kerry closer to the pack than to Dublin, imo but agree with the rest.
Quote from: Mario on June 05, 2024, 02:22:03 PMQuote from: blanketattack on June 05, 2024, 01:49:48 PMIn hindsight rushing The Glen players back with Derry without rest seems like such a dumb move.
Actually, forget hindsight, at the time it seemed a dumb move.
What's the max you give them 2 weeks? Would that make much of a difference now. They all got time off during the league. Glass said he likes a game every week rather than long rest periods, it means lighter training. None of them have been injured. They had 4 weeks without a game after the Donegal game. There are plenty of reasons to criticise Harte the past few weeks but I don't think that's a factor.
No one mentioned it as an issue last year when they should have beat Kerry in the AI semi
Didn't need to mention it - running out of steam and getting outscored 5 to 1 in the final stretch told its own tale.
When you're winning games you have a spring in your step, when you're losing your legs are like lead. That's how it is and you can look at all the excuses of why someone is not doing this or that. Yes, they have had a heavy workload but i'm sure it's managed rightly by their Sports Science team. For me I'd say they're mentally fatigued rather than physically but if Derry get over the line with Westmeath and grind their way back into the Championship it's a high probability that they'll knock a team out of the Championship that have already beaten them.
Quote from: illdecide on June 05, 2024, 04:13:43 PMWhen you're winning games you have a spring in your step, when you're losing your legs are like lead. That's how it is and you can look at all the excuses of why someone is not doing this or that. Yes, they have had a heavy workload but i'm sure it's managed rightly by their Sports Science team. For me I'd say they're mentally fatigued rather than physically but if Derry get over the line with Westmeath and grind their way back into the Championship it's a high probability that they'll knock a team out of the Championship that have already beaten them.
Very true. Looks a long way back and fair play if they can turn this around now!
Quote from: blanketattack on June 05, 2024, 03:55:06 PMQuote from: Mario on June 05, 2024, 02:22:03 PMQuote from: blanketattack on June 05, 2024, 01:49:48 PMIn hindsight rushing The Glen players back with Derry without rest seems like such a dumb move.
Actually, forget hindsight, at the time it seemed a dumb move.
What's the max you give them 2 weeks? Would that make much of a difference now. They all got time off during the league. Glass said he likes a game every week rather than long rest periods, it means lighter training. None of them have been injured. They had 4 weeks without a game after the Donegal game. There are plenty of reasons to criticise Harte the past few weeks but I don't think that's a factor.
No one mentioned it as an issue last year when they should have beat Kerry in the AI semi
Didn't need to mention it - running out of steam and getting outscored 5 to 1 in the final stretch told its own tale.
Derry didn't run out steam, took 3 wrong options which would have put the game to bed pretty much.
Quote from: JoG2 on June 05, 2024, 04:31:26 PMQuote from: blanketattack on June 05, 2024, 03:55:06 PMQuote from: Mario on June 05, 2024, 02:22:03 PMQuote from: blanketattack on June 05, 2024, 01:49:48 PMIn hindsight rushing The Glen players back with Derry without rest seems like such a dumb move.
Actually, forget hindsight, at the time it seemed a dumb move.
What's the max you give them 2 weeks? Would that make much of a difference now. They all got time off during the league. Glass said he likes a game every week rather than long rest periods, it means lighter training. None of them have been injured. They had 4 weeks without a game after the Donegal game. There are plenty of reasons to criticise Harte the past few weeks but I don't think that's a factor.
No one mentioned it as an issue last year when they should have beat Kerry in the AI semi
Didn't need to mention it - running out of steam and getting outscored 5 to 1 in the final stretch told its own tale.
Derry didn't run out steam, took 3 wrong options which would have put the game to bed pretty much.
You can do it for one year but expecting players to do it for 2 years is stupid especially when its only the league.
I didn't think rory would have lasted too much longer with derry anyway. Same as when he was with donegal, you can only push the players so hard for a few years otherwise they burn out.
Quote from: JoG2 on June 05, 2024, 04:31:26 PMQuote from: blanketattack on June 05, 2024, 03:55:06 PMQuote from: Mario on June 05, 2024, 02:22:03 PMQuote from: blanketattack on June 05, 2024, 01:49:48 PMIn hindsight rushing The Glen players back with Derry without rest seems like such a dumb move.
Actually, forget hindsight, at the time it seemed a dumb move.
What's the max you give them 2 weeks? Would that make much of a difference now. They all got time off during the league. Glass said he likes a game every week rather than long rest periods, it means lighter training. None of them have been injured. They had 4 weeks without a game after the Donegal game. There are plenty of reasons to criticise Harte the past few weeks but I don't think that's a factor.
No one mentioned it as an issue last year when they should have beat Kerry in the AI semi
Didn't need to mention it - running out of steam and getting outscored 5 to 1 in the final stretch told its own tale.
Derry didn't run out steam, took 3 wrong options which would have put the game to bed pretty much.
Wrong decision making is a symptom of fatigue
Quote from: blanketattack on June 06, 2024, 09:16:22 AMQuote from: JoG2 on June 05, 2024, 04:31:26 PMQuote from: blanketattack on June 05, 2024, 03:55:06 PMQuote from: Mario on June 05, 2024, 02:22:03 PMQuote from: blanketattack on June 05, 2024, 01:49:48 PMIn hindsight rushing The Glen players back with Derry without rest seems like such a dumb move.
Actually, forget hindsight, at the time it seemed a dumb move.
What's the max you give them 2 weeks? Would that make much of a difference now. They all got time off during the league. Glass said he likes a game every week rather than long rest periods, it means lighter training. None of them have been injured. They had 4 weeks without a game after the Donegal game. There are plenty of reasons to criticise Harte the past few weeks but I don't think that's a factor.
No one mentioned it as an issue last year when they should have beat Kerry in the AI semi
Didn't need to mention it - running out of steam and getting outscored 5 to 1 in the final stretch told its own tale.
Derry didn't run out steam, took 3 wrong options which would have put the game to bed pretty much.
Wrong decision making is a symptom of fatigue
So, trying to work a goal, and the thinking involved, extra movement, speed etc is a symptom of fatigue, and not just taking the much much simpler option of either tapping of fisting over the bar? Ok
Quote from: JoG2 on June 06, 2024, 09:21:52 AMQuote from: blanketattack on June 06, 2024, 09:16:22 AMQuote from: JoG2 on June 05, 2024, 04:31:26 PMQuote from: blanketattack on June 05, 2024, 03:55:06 PMQuote from: Mario on June 05, 2024, 02:22:03 PMQuote from: blanketattack on June 05, 2024, 01:49:48 PMIn hindsight rushing The Glen players back with Derry without rest seems like such a dumb move.
Actually, forget hindsight, at the time it seemed a dumb move.
What's the max you give them 2 weeks? Would that make much of a difference now. They all got time off during the league. Glass said he likes a game every week rather than long rest periods, it means lighter training. None of them have been injured. They had 4 weeks without a game after the Donegal game. There are plenty of reasons to criticise Harte the past few weeks but I don't think that's a factor.
No one mentioned it as an issue last year when they should have beat Kerry in the AI semi
Didn't need to mention it - running out of steam and getting outscored 5 to 1 in the final stretch told its own tale.
Derry didn't run out steam, took 3 wrong options which would have put the game to bed pretty much.
Wrong decision making is a symptom of fatigue
So, trying to work a goal, and the thinking involved, extra movement, speed etc is a symptom of fatigue, and not just taking the much much simpler option of either tapping of fisting over the bar? Ok
Yes, precisely that scenario. The clarity of thought by a fully functioning brain would have gone for the easy point.
The tired mind doesn't see the variety of options open to it.
Quote from: blanketattack on June 06, 2024, 10:42:20 AMQuote from: JoG2 on June 06, 2024, 09:21:52 AMQuote from: blanketattack on June 06, 2024, 09:16:22 AMQuote from: JoG2 on June 05, 2024, 04:31:26 PMQuote from: blanketattack on June 05, 2024, 03:55:06 PMQuote from: Mario on June 05, 2024, 02:22:03 PMQuote from: blanketattack on June 05, 2024, 01:49:48 PMIn hindsight rushing The Glen players back with Derry without rest seems like such a dumb move.
Actually, forget hindsight, at the time it seemed a dumb move.
What's the max you give them 2 weeks? Would that make much of a difference now. They all got time off during the league. Glass said he likes a game every week rather than long rest periods, it means lighter training. None of them have been injured. They had 4 weeks without a game after the Donegal game. There are plenty of reasons to criticise Harte the past few weeks but I don't think that's a factor.
No one mentioned it as an issue last year when they should have beat Kerry in the AI semi
Didn't need to mention it - running out of steam and getting outscored 5 to 1 in the final stretch told its own tale.
Derry didn't run out steam, took 3 wrong options which would have put the game to bed pretty much.
Wrong decision making is a symptom of fatigue
So, trying to work a goal, and the thinking involved, extra movement, speed etc is a symptom of fatigue, and not just taking the much much simpler option of either tapping of fisting over the bar? Ok
Yes, precisely that scenario. The clarity of thought by a fully functioning brain would have gone for the easy point.
The tired mind doesn't see the variety of options open to it.
Or it, was drilled into the team that they needed goals and hence went for the jugular to put the game out of sight. A tired mind will literally have a player take the easiest option to him at the time ie tap the thing over, not over complete it
Quote from: JoG2 on June 06, 2024, 10:50:06 AMQuote from: blanketattack on June 06, 2024, 10:42:20 AMQuote from: JoG2 on June 06, 2024, 09:21:52 AMQuote from: blanketattack on June 06, 2024, 09:16:22 AMQuote from: JoG2 on June 05, 2024, 04:31:26 PMQuote from: blanketattack on June 05, 2024, 03:55:06 PMQuote from: Mario on June 05, 2024, 02:22:03 PMQuote from: blanketattack on June 05, 2024, 01:49:48 PMIn hindsight rushing The Glen players back with Derry without rest seems like such a dumb move.
Actually, forget hindsight, at the time it seemed a dumb move.
What's the max you give them 2 weeks? Would that make much of a difference now. They all got time off during the league. Glass said he likes a game every week rather than long rest periods, it means lighter training. None of them have been injured. They had 4 weeks without a game after the Donegal game. There are plenty of reasons to criticise Harte the past few weeks but I don't think that's a factor.
No one mentioned it as an issue last year when they should have beat Kerry in the AI semi
Didn't need to mention it - running out of steam and getting outscored 5 to 1 in the final stretch told its own tale.
Derry didn't run out steam, took 3 wrong options which would have put the game to bed pretty much.
Wrong decision making is a symptom of fatigue
So, trying to work a goal, and the thinking involved, extra movement, speed etc is a symptom of fatigue, and not just taking the much much simpler option of either tapping of fisting over the bar? Ok
Yes, precisely that scenario. The clarity of thought by a fully functioning brain would have gone for the easy point.
The tired mind doesn't see the variety of options open to it.
Or it, was drilled into the team that they needed goals and hence went for the jugular to put the game out of sight. A tired mind will literally have a player take the easiest option to him at the time ie tap the thing over, not over complete it
No, a tired mind will often do the long winded way of doing something.
I see it myself at work doing the same long winded way of doing some process, while a rested sharp mind will see a quicker more efficient way of doing it.
Quote from: blanketattack on June 06, 2024, 11:41:16 AMQuote from: JoG2 on June 06, 2024, 10:50:06 AMQuote from: blanketattack on June 06, 2024, 10:42:20 AMQuote from: JoG2 on June 06, 2024, 09:21:52 AMQuote from: blanketattack on June 06, 2024, 09:16:22 AMQuote from: JoG2 on June 05, 2024, 04:31:26 PMQuote from: blanketattack on June 05, 2024, 03:55:06 PMQuote from: Mario on June 05, 2024, 02:22:03 PMQuote from: blanketattack on June 05, 2024, 01:49:48 PMIn hindsight rushing The Glen players back with Derry without rest seems like such a dumb move.
Actually, forget hindsight, at the time it seemed a dumb move.
What's the max you give them 2 weeks? Would that make much of a difference now. They all got time off during the league. Glass said he likes a game every week rather than long rest periods, it means lighter training. None of them have been injured. They had 4 weeks without a game after the Donegal game. There are plenty of reasons to criticise Harte the past few weeks but I don't think that's a factor.
No one mentioned it as an issue last year when they should have beat Kerry in the AI semi
Didn't need to mention it - running out of steam and getting outscored 5 to 1 in the final stretch told its own tale.
Derry didn't run out steam, took 3 wrong options which would have put the game to bed pretty much.
Wrong decision making is a symptom of fatigue
So, trying to work a goal, and the thinking involved, extra movement, speed etc is a symptom of fatigue, and not just taking the much much simpler option of either tapping of fisting over the bar? Ok
Yes, precisely that scenario. The clarity of thought by a fully functioning brain would have gone for the easy point.
The tired mind doesn't see the variety of options open to it.
Or it, was drilled into the team that they needed goals and hence went for the jugular to put the game out of sight. A tired mind will literally have a player take the easiest option to him at the time ie tap the thing over, not over complete it
No, a tired mind will often do the long winded way of doing something.
I see it myself at work doing the same long winded way of doing some process, while a rested sharp mind will see a quicker more efficient way of doing it.
last Derry free should have been dropped in for an attempt for goal rather than getting beat by 2pts.
The whole week up to last years semi final, all the chat was we needed goals, if we don't get goals we won't win. I genuinely think we surprised ourselves as to how well we did against Kerry last year by outplaying them for most of the game. We actually didn't need the goals. But I suppose when that's been drilled into the brain it's what the players are going to look to do.
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 05, 2024, 02:52:34 PMWould love to see ourselves, Donegal or Galway get a go at Dublin, not saying any of those would beat them but just a fixture that hasn't happened in championship in a good few years, give us all something different. We've seen Kerry Dublin and Dublin Mayo enough over the last few years!
Dublin will beat any of those teams.
From the Irish indo.
Armagh defender Connaire Mackin could miss his team's final All-Ireland SFC Group 1 game against Galway in Markievicz Park on Sunday week as the GAA's Central Competitions Control Committee (CCCC) has commenced an investigation into an incident during their win over Derry last weekend.
Mackin jabbed his boot towards Conor Glass's head as the Derry midfielder lay on the ground in the 10th minute on Sunday, and while it was with minimal force it could still be enough to merit a Category 3 charge that would carry a one-game ban.
What category would nipping be?
Any deliberate contact with a man head on the ground should be a 2 match ban.
Quote from: sensethetone on June 06, 2024, 12:23:45 PMQuote from: blanketattack on June 06, 2024, 11:41:16 AMQuote from: JoG2 on June 06, 2024, 10:50:06 AMQuote from: blanketattack on June 06, 2024, 10:42:20 AMQuote from: JoG2 on June 06, 2024, 09:21:52 AMQuote from: blanketattack on June 06, 2024, 09:16:22 AMQuote from: JoG2 on June 05, 2024, 04:31:26 PMQuote from: blanketattack on June 05, 2024, 03:55:06 PMQuote from: Mario on June 05, 2024, 02:22:03 PMQuote from: blanketattack on June 05, 2024, 01:49:48 PMIn hindsight rushing The Glen players back with Derry without rest seems like such a dumb move.
Actually, forget hindsight, at the time it seemed a dumb move.
What's the max you give them 2 weeks? Would that make much of a difference now. They all got time off during the league. Glass said he likes a game every week rather than long rest periods, it means lighter training. None of them have been injured. They had 4 weeks without a game after the Donegal game. There are plenty of reasons to criticise Harte the past few weeks but I don't think that's a factor.
No one mentioned it as an issue last year when they should have beat Kerry in the AI semi
Didn't need to mention it - running out of steam and getting outscored 5 to 1 in the final stretch told its own tale.
Derry didn't run out steam, took 3 wrong options which would have put the game to bed pretty much.
Wrong decision making is a symptom of fatigue
So, trying to work a goal, and the thinking involved, extra movement, speed etc is a symptom of fatigue, and not just taking the much much simpler option of either tapping of fisting over the bar? Ok
Yes, precisely that scenario. The clarity of thought by a fully functioning brain would have gone for the easy point.
The tired mind doesn't see the variety of options open to it.
Or it, was drilled into the team that they needed goals and hence went for the jugular to put the game out of sight. A tired mind will literally have a player take the easiest option to him at the time ie tap the thing over, not over complete it
No, a tired mind will often do the long winded way of doing something.
I see it myself at work doing the same long winded way of doing some process, while a rested sharp mind will see a quicker more efficient way of doing it.
last Derry free should have been dropped in for an attempt for goal rather than getting beat by 2pts.
Thought it was an attempt to drop it in but was just completely miskicked.
Should never just drop it in from a free anyway if looking for a goal, play it to another player first like the Glen v Kilmacud final to have a much more advantageous square ball rule.
Quote from: illdecide on June 05, 2024, 04:13:43 PMWhen you're winning games you have a spring in your step, when you're losing your legs are like lead. That's how it is and you can look at all the excuses of why someone is not doing this or that. Yes, they have had a heavy workload but i'm sure it's managed rightly by their Sports Science team. For me I'd say they're mentally fatigued rather than physically but if Derry get over the line with Westmeath and grind their way back into the Championship it's a high probability that they'll knock a team out of the Championship that have already beaten them.
I thought they couldn't meet a team they have already met unless it was unavoidable?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 06, 2024, 12:41:01 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on June 05, 2024, 02:52:34 PMWould love to see ourselves, Donegal or Galway get a go at Dublin, not saying any of those would beat them but just a fixture that hasn't happened in championship in a good few years, give us all something different. We've seen Kerry Dublin and Dublin Mayo enough over the last few years!
Dublin will beat any of those teams.
Jaysus someone would need to. Unless Clifford can find his form Kerry haven't much hope against them.
Armagh are a very unlikeable team, a lot of nasty individuals. Screaming in players faces and the like. It is one thing playing with aggression but it is another thing being nasty. Also on the TV broadcast I noticed an Armagh woman hurl abuse at Glass, I think it was around the end of first half.
Quote from: Norm-Peterson on June 06, 2024, 04:56:27 PMArmagh are a very unlikeable team, a lot of nasty individuals. Screaming in players faces and the like. It is one thing playing with aggression but it is another thing being nasty. Also on the TV broadcast I noticed an Armagh woman hurl abuse at Glass, I think it was around the end of first half.
Poor little you.
Quote from: Norm-Peterson on June 06, 2024, 04:56:27 PMArmagh are a very unlikeable team, a lot of nasty individuals. Screaming in players faces and the like. It is one thing playing with aggression but it is another thing being nasty. Also on the TV broadcast I noticed an Armagh woman hurl abuse at Glass, I think it was around the end of first half.
I tend to dislike any team who are destroying the team I'm supporting.
Quote from: balladmaker on June 06, 2024, 05:58:07 PMQuote from: Norm-Peterson on June 06, 2024, 04:56:27 PMArmagh are a very unlikeable team, a lot of nasty individuals. Screaming in players faces and the like. It is one thing playing with aggression but it is another thing being nasty. Also on the TV broadcast I noticed an Armagh woman hurl abuse at Glass, I think it was around the end of first half.
I tend to dislike any team who are destroying the team I'm supporting.
Ouch!
Quote from: Norm-Peterson on June 06, 2024, 04:56:27 PMArmagh are a very unlikeable team, a lot of nasty individuals. Screaming in players faces and the like. It is one thing playing with aggression but it is another thing being nasty. Also on the TV broadcast I noticed an Armagh woman hurl abuse at Glass, I think it was around the end of first half.
Sorry for your troubles
Am sure the orchard will be instructing their team not to annoy poor delicate souls like you .
QuoteThe draw suits me. At the start of the year I posted that I wanted Derry to give Armagh another sickener in an Ulster final. I didn't get that but they can always sicken them in Celtic park.
Norm knows his stuff, not bitter either.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 06, 2024, 03:26:09 PMAny deliberate contact with a man head on the ground should be a 2 match ban.
At least
Quote from: Norm-Peterson on June 06, 2024, 04:56:27 PMArmagh are a very unlikeable team, a lot of nasty individuals. Screaming in players faces and the like. It is one thing playing with aggression but it is another thing being nasty. Also on the TV broadcast I noticed an Armagh woman hurl abuse at Glass, I think it was around the end of first half.
You mustn't like any team if that's your bar
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 06, 2024, 03:26:09 PMAny deliberate contact with a man head on the ground should be a 2 match ban.
Agreed. Totally stupid and needless from Mackin and on another day could have cost us.
What did McKinless get for his red or was it just the standard 1 match?
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 06, 2024, 08:56:01 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on June 06, 2024, 03:26:09 PMAny deliberate contact with a man head on the ground should be a 2 match ban.
Agreed. Totally stupid and needless from Mackin and on another day could have cost us.
What did McKinless get for his red or was it just the standard 1 match?
No mention of it but the talk at the time was 2. No way Mackin should be getting 1 game and McKinless 2.
Quote from: screenexile on June 06, 2024, 09:05:18 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on June 06, 2024, 08:56:01 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on June 06, 2024, 03:26:09 PMAny deliberate contact with a man head on the ground should be a 2 match ban.
Agreed. Totally stupid and needless from Mackin and on another day could have cost us.
What did McKinless get for his red or was it just the standard 1 match?
No mention of it but the talk at the time was 2. No way Mackin should be getting 1 game and McKinless 2.
Really? Tbh Mackins was just a dirty and daft but minimal force and he was never going to hurt Glass. Same can't be said about McKinless.
Having said that neither man could really complain if they got 3 each.
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 06, 2024, 06:59:18 PMQuote from: Norm-Peterson on June 06, 2024, 04:56:27 PMArmagh are a very unlikeable team, a lot of nasty individuals. Screaming in players faces and the like. It is one thing playing with aggression but it is another thing being nasty. Also on the TV broadcast I noticed an Armagh woman hurl abuse at Glass, I think it was around the end of first half.
You mustn't like any team if that's your bar
You boys must know Norm's MO at this stage! ;D
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 06, 2024, 09:07:52 PMQuote from: screenexile on June 06, 2024, 09:05:18 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on June 06, 2024, 08:56:01 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on June 06, 2024, 03:26:09 PMAny deliberate contact with a man head on the ground should be a 2 match ban.
Agreed. Totally stupid and needless from Mackin and on another day could have cost us.
What did McKinless get for his red or was it just the standard 1 match?
No mention of it but the talk at the time was 2. No way Mackin should be getting 1 game and McKinless 2.
Really? Tbh Mackins was just a dirty and daft but minimal force and he was never going to hurt Glass. Same can't be said about McKinless.
I'd regard the two as the same.
A kick, regardless of force, to the head is dangerous.
Derry supporters called Mc Kindless' dirty action out as stupid and reckless. Not one Derry supporter condoned it. Foolish action.
A lot of Armagh ones seem to be of the opinion of 'it was only a wee kick' in reference to Mackin's kick. Call it out lads.
The reaction to McKinless's incident was wasn't helped by Comer being subbed due to an unrelated injury later on. Joyce suggested after the game that there might be a connection between the two events but Comer clearly had a hamstring injury.
Quote from: marty34 on June 06, 2024, 10:41:40 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on June 06, 2024, 09:07:52 PMQuote from: screenexile on June 06, 2024, 09:05:18 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on June 06, 2024, 08:56:01 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on June 06, 2024, 03:26:09 PMAny deliberate contact with a man head on the ground should be a 2 match ban.
Agreed. Totally stupid and needless from Mackin and on another day could have cost us.
What did McKinless get for his red or was it just the standard 1 match?
No mention of it but the talk at the time was 2. No way Mackin should be getting 1 game and McKinless 2.
Really? Tbh Mackins was just a dirty and daft but minimal force and he was never going to hurt Glass. Same can't be said about McKinless.
I'd regard the two as the same.
A kick, regardless of force, to the head is dangerous.
Derry supporters called Mc Kindless' dirty action out as stupid and reckless. Not one Derry supporter condoned it. Foolish action.
A lot of Armagh ones seem to be of the opinion of 'it was only a wee kick' in reference to Mackin's kick. Call it out lads.
it was "only a wee kick" but it was out of order, could have had really bad consequences and he deserves a ban