What's your thoughts on this fixture guys?. I believe this is a tough one for both teams who will both fancy themsleves to win. Armagh have been playing at a higher level this year but got relegated. Cavan played at a lower level but got promoted so realistically both are Div 2 teams. I fancy Armagh to sneak it by 2 but it will be tight and Cavan will fancy themselves for this being at home, for me Cavan have a big strong team and will be hard to beat but it's exactly what Armagh need as Antrim were really poor and we learnt nothing from that game.
Cavan people how is your squad?. Do you have any inuries or suspensions?. Do you fancy your chances?.
It's an ideal game for both sides.
For Armagh, they're playing a team that blows hot and cold and have been deprived of a chance to play top teams because of a somewhat freak series of relegations. It will be a step up from Antrim but they will be confident they don't need to hit top gear to win this game.
Cavan get the chance to play a 'top' side on home turf. Armagh have been relentlessly talked up and many (outside the camp I'm sure) believe they have one eye on the All Ireland. In reality, they haven't won consecutive Ulster games since 2008 so there is huge pressure on the management and squad to deliver.
I think Armagh's poor performances in the league and the relegation will be better for them mentally. We've seen with Mayo what can happen when a team comes into Championship off the back of a brilliant league campaign. Whether O'Neill can play will be a factor but wouldn't be detrimental to their chances.
Cavan have injury worries of their own. Carolan whose inclusion was a revelation to the Cavan defence isn't fit and McVeety and Clarke are both nursing injuries. Gearoid looks way off the pace, he'll still play but hard to see him being the threat he has been in previous years and I think Armagh won't need to dedicate the same amount of attention to him as they usually would.
I think Armagh are rightly strong favourites and have a feeling that they may finally be coming into Ulster with a bit more steel about them. Not writing Cavan off by any means but I think we would need to have everything go right for us on the day and would probably need a couple of goals, something we have struggled with.
If we aren't hitting top gear then Cavan will eat us for breakfast. They're a team we always seem to struggle against. I do think that poor league campaign will stand us well and probably stop all the hype around us that never does any team any good.
I think a lot of people are mentioning that they are both div 2 teams and that leaves them somewhat even, 50/50. That is not correct until next year.
As obvious as that sounds, the realism is that Armagh played Kerry, Galway, Mayo, Tyrone, whereas Cavan played Westmeath, Tipp, Fermanagh and Antrim. The gulf in difference between the teams they have faced this calendar year is way off.
Armagh succumbing to narrow defeats to Kerry, Galway and Tyrone also lets them know they are operating close to teams in the mix for the AI.
That all being said, Cavan have had a good history of beating Armagh over the past 10 years, and Brefini has not been a good place for Armagh either.
On paper Armagh should win this without worry, but Cavan will hold no fear of them and give them a tough game.
Quote from: illdecide on April 12, 2023, 11:01:39 AM
What's your thoughts on this fixture guys?. I believe this is a tough one for both teams who will both fancy themsleves to win. Armagh have been playing at a higher level this year but got relegated. Cavan played at a lower level but got promoted so realistically both are Div 2 teams. I fancy Armagh to sneak it by 2 but it will be tight and Cavan will fancy themselves for this being at home, for me Cavan have a big strong team and will be hard to beat but it's exactly what Armagh need as Antrim were really poor and we learnt nothing from that game.
Cavan people how is your squad?. Do you have any inuries or suspensions?. Do you fancy your chances?.
I think we are pretty much back to full strength unless someone got injured since the league final. I do fancy our chances but I say that with the game being a 50:50 game. We have a tendency to raise our game for matches like this (and lower it for inferior opponents). And knowing Mickey Graham, it is all about championship so I have no doubt he will spring something from left field here. Really looking forward to it as a spectacle, should be as big a crowd as there has been in Breffni for a long time too.
If Cavan won it would be interesting for the Sam Maguire permutations
Quote from: seafoid on April 12, 2023, 03:29:09 PM
If Cavan won it would be interesting for the Sam Maguire permutations
Does Cavan winning this game have impact on Sam permutations?
In saying that both sides are now division 2 outfits, that is factually correct but only for next year. Armagh have been operating at a few levels above Cavan for a few seasons now and playing against the best teams in the country on a weekly basis is a big advantage. That could be countered by Cavan having home advantage and with Armagh potentially missing 2 key forwards in Murnin and Rian O'Neill, although I would expect O'Neill at least to make this match. A lot of this Cavan team seem to have been around for a while and I'm not sure they are a team necessarily on an upward curve even though they've got 2 consecutive promotions. I think Armagh have the better players and just need to avoid over analysing the game and allow the players to play with a bit more freedom. Forget about the relatively poor recent Ulster championship record and focus on the opportunity that exists to get to an Ulster final. Although it will be a battle I'm reasonably confident we will have what it takes.
Anyone able to get access through season ticket to buy for this game? Not letting me access game but tickets are onsale separately for terrace.
Quote from: Westside on April 12, 2023, 03:41:00 PM
Quote from: seafoid on April 12, 2023, 03:29:09 PM
If Cavan won it would be interesting for the Sam Maguire permutations
Does Cavan winning this game have impact on Sam permutations?
Yes. it means that if Cavan win the semi they go into the Sam Maguire, at the expense of Meath of Kildare
Quote from: seafoid on April 12, 2023, 04:36:59 PM
Quote from: Westside on April 12, 2023, 03:41:00 PM
Quote from: seafoid on April 12, 2023, 03:29:09 PM
If Cavan won it would be interesting for the Sam Maguire permutations
Does Cavan winning this game have impact on Sam permutations?
Yes. it means that if Cavan win the semi they go into the Sam Maguire, at the expense of Meath of Kildare
Cavan winning this game has no implications on the Sam Maguire. If they win the semi final it would.
Something else about Co Armagh
https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/music/2023/04/12/sile-denvir-i-never-see-any-kind-of-modernity-as-a-negative-you-have-to-embrace-it/
"Their musical experiences are quite similar," Denvir says, reflecting on the contributions of the singers, just one of whom, Piaras Ó Lorcáin, is from a non-Gaeltacht area; in his case Crossmaglen, in Co Armagh.
Ó Lorcáin's contribution also brings the value of collecting and archiving songs into sharp relief. "Piaras is really interesting," Denvir says. "He would have learned his songs from Bláithín Nic Cána, who would have learned from Páidrigín Ní Uallacháin. So he's from a stronghold of poetry, song and culture going back and beyond the 17th and 18th century. So he comes from a ceanntar Gaelacha," she says, referring to an area that is rich in Irish culture but not native Irish-speaking.
That's great Seafood but maybe you'll take it to an appropriate thread
Was able to access for Season Tickets, but it only gives you the choice for outside seating....Section CU.from memory the last time we were in Breffni this was also the case for all Season Ticket holders. The covered Stand is not so big, therefore not enough covered seats for Season Tickets. Just have to hope it doesn't rain!
Quote from: Armagh Girl on April 12, 2023, 08:05:20 PM
Was able to access for Season Tickets, but it only gives you the choice for outside seating....Section CU.from memory the last time we were in Breffni this was also the case for all Season Ticket holders. The covered Stand is not so big, therefore not enough covered seats for Season Tickets. Just have to hope it doesn't rain!
At this early stage, the forecast for the second half of next week seems quite good. A nice day will bring a crowd and a good atmosphere.
Quote from: seafoid on April 12, 2023, 06:19:15 PM
Something else about Co Armagh
https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/music/2023/04/12/sile-denvir-i-never-see-any-kind-of-modernity-as-a-negative-you-have-to-embrace-it/
"Their musical experiences are quite similar," Denvir says, reflecting on the contributions of the singers, just one of whom, Piaras Ó Lorcáin, is from a non-Gaeltacht area; in his case Crossmaglen, in Co Armagh.
Ó Lorcáin's contribution also brings the value of collecting and archiving songs into sharp relief. "Piaras is really interesting," Denvir says. "He would have learned his songs from Bláithín Nic Cána, who would have learned from Páidrigín Ní Uallacháin. So he's from a stronghold of poetry, song and culture going back and beyond the 17th and 18th century. So he comes from a ceanntar Gaelacha," she says, referring to an area that is rich in Irish culture but not native Irish-speaking.
Another Armagh connection to this is that Sile is married to great Lurgan musician and boyhood Clan na Gael man Barry Kerr....amazing musicians altogether! As is young Larkin. Outrageous singer.
As for the game Cavan by 3. Breffni a hoor of a place to play in and Oh Mickey your so fine will have them revved up and raring to go. Armagh will have 2 men sent off
We only have 1 championship win against Cavan in the last 5 meetings. The drawn semi in 2019 was a huge missed opportunity for Armagh. Remember leaving Clones that day and it felt like a 5 or 6 point loss. Cavan always seem to turn up against us. Here's hoping we can just have a go Saturday week and take the game to them.
Jemar Hall sounds like Donegal Irish
Quote from: seafoid on April 13, 2023, 10:45:53 AM
Jemar Hall sounds like Donegal Irish
You should see the size of his brother Carnegie.
If you're driving in from Maguirebridge / Newtownbutler, where is the best place to park for a quick getaway?
I don't mind walking - are you allowed to park in Aldi?
Quote from: Orior on April 13, 2023, 08:57:14 PM
If you're driving in from Maguirebridge / Newtownbutler, where is the best place to park for a quick getaway?
I don't mind walking - are you allowed to park in Aldi?
Personally I'd take the exit of the bypass for cootehill, head into Cavan and park around Farnham street or anywhere you can get parked in the town, walk up through Cavan down to the pitch and you can go back out the same way afterwards. I'd say it'll be bedlam if you just follow bypass onto the Dublin road
I can't see us beating Cavan. They have a hoodoo over us the last while. Hopefully I'm wrong
For a team talking of getting to an All-Ireland final last year now worried about playing division 3 Cavan. Go figure.
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 14, 2023, 11:24:50 AM
I can't see us beating Cavan. They have a hoodoo over us the last while. Hopefully I'm wrong
They have to be respected but I definitely wouldn't be overly fearful either. It's not like we're playing Kerry in Croke Park and I can see little hope. If we play to our potential I think we will comfortably win this match but that is no certainty with this Armagh team. I think the fact that we don't have a month to prepare and over analyse the opposition to death might help us.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 14, 2023, 11:34:53 AM
For a team talking of getting to an All-Ireland final last year now worried about playing division 3 Cavan. Go figure.
I don't get this thing on judging solely on League placing like it tells a full story. Sure Armagh have done next to nothing by being up in the top 2 divisions last while. Yet Cavan won an Ulster being relegated to Division 3. If there are any teams you can't place too much League context on when it comes to Championship, it's these 2.
Quote from: Dreadnought on April 14, 2023, 12:17:08 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 14, 2023, 11:34:53 AM
For a team talking of getting to an All-Ireland final last year now worried about playing division 3 Cavan. Go figure.
I don't get this thing on judging solely on League placing like it tells a full story. Sure Armagh have done next to nothing by being up in the top 2 divisions last while. Yet Cavan won an Ulster being relegated to Division 3. If there are any teams you can't place too much League context on when it comes to Championship, it's these 2.
Realistically Cavan are a division 2 league team that for a variety of reasons found themselves in division 4.
Will be a seriously tough match for us especially given who we are missing.
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on April 13, 2023, 10:07:59 AM
We only have 1 championship win against Cavan in the last 5 meetings. The drawn semi in 2019 was a huge missed opportunity for Armagh. Remember leaving Clones that day and it felt like a 5 or 6 point loss. Cavan always seem to turn up against us. Here's hoping we can just have a go Saturday week and take the game to them.
Armagh's problem is that they don't have any hatred for Cavan like they do for Tyrone.
Quote from: clarshack on April 14, 2023, 01:46:38 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on April 13, 2023, 10:07:59 AM
We only have 1 championship win against Cavan in the last 5 meetings. The drawn semi in 2019 was a huge missed opportunity for Armagh. Remember leaving Clones that day and it felt like a 5 or 6 point loss. Cavan always seem to turn up against us. Here's hoping we can just have a go Saturday week and take the game to them.
Armagh's problem is that they don't have any hatred for Cavan like they do for Tyrone.
A bigger problem is the missing players and the shite football of recent times.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 14, 2023, 12:23:13 PM
Quote from: Dreadnought on April 14, 2023, 12:17:08 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 14, 2023, 11:34:53 AM
For a team talking of getting to an All-Ireland final last year now worried about playing division 3 Cavan. Go figure.
I don't get this thing on judging solely on League placing like it tells a full story. Sure Armagh have done next to nothing by being up in the top 2 divisions last while. Yet Cavan won an Ulster being relegated to Division 3. If there are any teams you can't place too much League context on when it comes to Championship, it's these 2.
Realistically Cavan are a division 2 league team that for a variety of reasons found themselves in division 4.
Will be a seriously tough match for us especially given who we are missing.
That's it alright. It was 2 wild scenarios that saw Cavan drop to Div4 when they were likely still a mid to upper Division 2 level side. This game will be close, and Breffni an advantage too. It'll be tight, although Armagh owe us one
So long as the ref. ain't Barry Cassidy, I'll be happy enough - Armagh by 2.
Quote from: balladmaker on April 14, 2023, 04:50:35 PM
So long as the ref. ain't Barry Cassidy, I'll be happy enough - Armagh by 2.
Well he nearly cost us an ulster title in 2020 so we don't want to see sight of him either
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 14, 2023, 11:34:53 AM
For a team talking of getting to an All-Ireland final last year now worried about playing division 3 Cavan. Go figure.
I'm judging it by how we played this year
It'll be anyone's guess what Mickey Graham does with his line up. I'm expecting Gearoid McKiernan right in close to goal. Will he ask McVetty to play inside, he destroyed Armagh in that ulster semi final in that position. I'd say Cillian Clarke could end up in the Full Back line. Cavan have quite a bit of versatility in their playing positions.
I see reports that Rian O Neill will not play any part whether that can be believed or not.
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 14, 2023, 06:30:28 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 14, 2023, 11:34:53 AM
For a team talking of getting to an All-Ireland final last year now worried about playing division 3 Cavan. Go figure.
I'm judging it by how we played this year
We werent great but we were within a few points of Kerry, Galway, Tyrone etc. Cavan blitzed terrible teams. Antrim were what, mid division 3? Look how easily we beat them.
Last year Armagh were a momentum team. It will probably be the same this year. They should win this one by a few points but then again they might not. The can get motoring again in the 4x4.
Ten minutes to play in the recent Division three final Fermanagh 1-7 Cavan 0-11. Watching Fermanagh today would that concern Cavan coming into this game?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 15, 2023, 06:54:24 PM
Ten minutes to play in the recent Division three final Fermanagh 1-7 Cavan 0-11. Watching Fermanagh today would that concern Cavan coming into this game?
The opinion of the pundits seems to be that Fermanagh changed their tactics today. That didn't work, but they may have been more effective with their previous plan and Quigley playing.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 15, 2023, 06:54:24 PM
Ten minutes to play in the recent Division three final Fermanagh 1-7 Cavan 0-11. Watching Fermanagh today would that concern Cavan coming into this game?
Division three football is poles apart from the top teams, last few weeks only reinforces that belief.
Quote from: yellowcard on April 15, 2023, 07:14:56 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 15, 2023, 06:54:24 PM
Ten minutes to play in the recent Division three final Fermanagh 1-7 Cavan 0-11. Watching Fermanagh today would that concern Cavan coming into this game?
Division three football is poles apart from the top teams, last few weeks only reinforces that belief.
As is Division 2 football where Armagh are heading. You boys putting way too much stake on the league. Fermanagh set up with 15 behind the ball in that final and for reason only they know they decided to go man to man against Derry today.
Quote from: Itchy on April 15, 2023, 07:44:57 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on April 15, 2023, 07:14:56 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 15, 2023, 06:54:24 PM
Ten minutes to play in the recent Division three final Fermanagh 1-7 Cavan 0-11. Watching Fermanagh today would that concern Cavan coming into this game?
Division three football is poles apart from the top teams, last few weeks only reinforces that belief.
As is Division 2 football where Armagh are heading. You boys putting way too much stake on the league. Fermanagh set up with 15 behind the ball in that final and for reason only they know they decided to go man to man against Derry today.
Yeah I wouldn't be reading much into it.
Cavan are well used to this scenario
It's theirs to lose!!!!
Remember Armagh have only beaten Antrim in Ulster in the last few years .
Quote from: naka on April 15, 2023, 08:01:19 PM
Cavan are well used to this scenario
It's theirs to lose!!!!
Remember Armagh have only beaten Antrim in Ulster in the last few years .
That's true and it will be very hard for Cavan to recover from a loss in a match where their need is greater. Mickey Graham and his players won't want another year in the Tailteann Cup!
Quote from: balladmaker on April 14, 2023, 04:50:35 PM
So long as the ref. ain't Barry Cassidy, I'll be happy enough - Armagh by 2.
Paul Faloon will be ref for this game.
Having read all the comments I think i'll change my mind...Cavan by 5pts. No R O'Neill, No Murnin and Larry Reilly back for Cavan what chance have we really got. Is it true Larry once got bitten by a rattle snake and after 5 agonising days of pain and torture the snake finally died?. (sorry had to throw that in...lol)
Quote from: Itchy on April 15, 2023, 07:44:57 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on April 15, 2023, 07:14:56 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 15, 2023, 06:54:24 PM
Ten minutes to play in the recent Division three final Fermanagh 1-7 Cavan 0-11. Watching Fermanagh today would that concern Cavan coming into this game?
Division three football is poles apart from the top teams, last few weeks only reinforces that belief.
As is Division 2 football where Armagh are heading. You boys putting way too much stake on the league. Fermanagh set up with 15 behind the ball in that final and for reason only they know they decided to go man to man against Derry today.
Top of D2 is equivalent to D1 unless the Dubs are the equivalent of Meath.
D3 is Tailteann.
Quote from: seafoid on April 15, 2023, 08:18:38 PM
Quote from: Itchy on April 15, 2023, 07:44:57 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on April 15, 2023, 07:14:56 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 15, 2023, 06:54:24 PM
Ten minutes to play in the recent Division three final Fermanagh 1-7 Cavan 0-11. Watching Fermanagh today would that concern Cavan coming into this game?
Division three football is poles apart from the top teams, last few weeks only reinforces that belief.
As is Division 2 football where Armagh are heading. You boys putting way too much stake on the league. Fermanagh set up with 15 behind the ball in that final and for reason only they know they decided to go man to man against Derry today.
Top of D2 is equivalent to D1 unless the Dubs are the equivalent of Meath.
D3 is Tailteann.
Top contribution there.
Where is the Tailteann cup? They should bring it along and put it behind the Armagh goals, give Cavan something to aim at.
I'm considerably less worried about Cavan after the past 2 weekends, it's fine saying they're 2 Division 2 teams but that's for next season, for all intents and purposes it's D1 v D3. Shouldn't worry Cavan, they should embrace it, more pressure for Armagh (in theory).
Faloon? You come on begging for Cassidy after him.
Quote from: armaghniac on April 15, 2023, 08:38:25 PM
Where is the Tailteann cup? They should bring it along and put it behind the Armagh goals, give Cavan something to aim at.
They could put a cup of tea behind the goals for Armagh, at this stage McGeeney would take any sort of cup
It's crazy to think that Armagh's last Ulster title was in 2008
Quote from: seafoid on April 15, 2023, 10:41:38 PM
It's crazy to think that Armagh's last Ulster title was in 2008
Not really, up until last year Armagh have been average. Tyrone are always the team to beat in the new millennium with counties like Donegal and Monaghan popping in. Armagh dominated in the 00's.
Cavan's title was a bit Like Tipps title in Muster. It will be credited, but was lost in its lack of fanfare due to Covid!
Quote from: seafoid on April 15, 2023, 10:41:38 PM
It's crazy to think that Armagh's last Ulster title was in 2008
Haven't reached a Ulster final since 2008 and since then every other Ulster team has at least reached the final and Ulster titles was won by Tyrone 5,Donegal 5,Monaghan 2 and 1 each for Derry and Cavan.
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 15, 2023, 10:56:54 PM
Quote from: seafoid on April 15, 2023, 10:41:38 PM
It's crazy to think that Armagh's last Ulster title was in 2008
Not really, up until last year Armagh have been average. Tyrone are always the team to beat in the new millennium with counties like Donegal and Monaghan popping in. Armagh dominated in the 00's.
Cavan's title was a bit Like Tipps title in Muster. It will be credited, but was lost in its lack of fanfare due to Covid!
Fair enough but it means that nobody under the age of say 20 in the county remembers Armagh winning an Ulster title.
After yesterdays result Armagh have now officially qualified for the all Ireland series. Obviously that was almost certainly going to be the case but I wonder does it factor into Armagh thinking.
Quote from: David McKeown on April 16, 2023, 11:15:27 AM
After yesterdays result Armagh have now officially qualified for the all Ireland series. Obviously that was almost certainly going to be the case but I wonder does it factor into Armagh thinking.
You'd like to think not. Priority number one at the start if the year should have been and Ulster title given our record.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 16, 2023, 04:19:33 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on April 16, 2023, 11:15:27 AM
After yesterdays result Armagh have now officially qualified for the all Ireland series. Obviously that was almost certainly going to be the case but I wonder does it factor into Armagh thinking.
You'd like to think not. Priority number one at the start if the year should have been and Ulster title given our record.
I would have thought an all Ireland semi final would have been the target
Quote from: seafoid on April 16, 2023, 08:01:46 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 16, 2023, 04:19:33 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on April 16, 2023, 11:15:27 AM
After yesterdays result Armagh have now officially qualified for the all Ireland series. Obviously that was almost certainly going to be the case but I wonder does it factor into Armagh thinking.
You'd like to think not. Priority number one at the start if the year should have been and Ulster title given our record.
I would have thought an all Ireland semi final would have been the target
Would much rather an Ulster! Never seen medals handed out to losing semi finalists yet.
Both would be nice of course but given the choice I'd take an Ulster all day.
It's all about momentum and doing the iterations in order to win the all Ireland
I'm not as confident as other Cavan folk about this game. Yes Armagh have been poor so far this year. Cavan were very average in the league final though I thought and the 2 games before against Fermanagh and Antrim. The gulf in class in both divisions is huge and we haven't been blowing teams away.
Even without Rian O'Neill Armagh have a far superior forward line in particular. My main issue with Cavan is we've spent the last several years playing Division 3 and 4 teams and we still cannot put the ball in the back of the net. Even against very weak sides we cannot score goals, and as happened in Omagh again yesterday goals win games. We haven't shown any improvement in goalscoring this year. In tight games against good sides this can be the difference.
Quote from: Itchy on April 14, 2023, 07:35:49 PM
It'll be anyone's guess what Mickey Graham does with his line up. I'm expecting Gearoid McKiernan right in close to goal. Will he ask McVetty to play inside, he destroyed Armagh in that ulster semi final in that position. I'd say Cillian Clarke could end up in the Full Back line. Cavan have quite a bit of versatility in their playing positions.
I see reports that Rian O Neill will not play any part whether that can be believed or not.
G McKiernan should be in full forward but that never seems to happen. Indeed we've been poor since he returned in as centre half forward. He wasn't great in the league final was even subbed and I'm struggling to recall him being subbed before.
G Mac was full forward in the club league final last year for Cavan Gaels and he scored 3-14! He was absolutely outstanding, his size alone makes it very difficult for full back line. I've no idea why Cavan do not put him in there it's not like we have much options there.
Quote from: full moon on April 17, 2023, 12:25:46 PM
Quote from: Itchy on April 14, 2023, 07:35:49 PM
It'll be anyone's guess what Mickey Graham does with his line up. I'm expecting Gearoid McKiernan right in close to goal. Will he ask McVetty to play inside, he destroyed Armagh in that ulster semi final in that position. I'd say Cillian Clarke could end up in the Full Back line. Cavan have quite a bit of versatility in their playing positions.
I see reports that Rian O Neill will not play any part whether that can be believed or not.
G McKiernan should be in full forward but that never seems to happen. Indeed we've been poor since he returned in as centre half forward. He wasn't great in the league final was even subbed and I'm struggling to recall him being subbed before.
G Mac was full forward in the club league final last year for Cavan Gaels and he scored 3-14! He was absolutely outstanding, his size alone makes it very difficult for full back line. I've no idea why Cavan do not put him in there it's not like we have much options there.
We aren't exactly blessed with height at the back to mark him either!
Quote from: full moon on April 17, 2023, 12:18:42 PM
I'm not as confident as other Cavan folk about this game. Yes Armagh have been poor so far this year. Cavan were very average in the league final though I thought and the 2 games before against Fermanagh and Antrim. The gulf in class in both divisions is huge and we haven't been blowing teams away.
Even without Rian O'Neill Armagh have a far superior forward line in particular. My main issue with Cavan is we've spent the last several years playing Division 3 and 4 teams and we still cannot put the ball in the back of the net. Even against very weak sides we cannot score goals, and as happened in Omagh again yesterday goals win games. We haven't shown any improvement in goalscoring this year. In tight games against good sides this can be the difference.
I have been speaking to a lot of my fellow county men about this game recently and they are all expecting a Cavan win. I wouldn't be as confident but i expect Graham to have something up his sleeve. I fully expected McKiernan to play in the full forward line he doesn't have the legs to play much further out anymore going by the last few games but maybe they were fitness issues.
I would love to see McVitty in the forwards but i think he will play the majority of the game in the defence and move into the square a couple of times to mix things up.
Armagh should win this game comfortably enough i think. Cavan aren't a bad side, but aren't great either. I think armaghs last 2 seasons playing in the top division, along with Cavans playing in the bottom and 3rd division will stand to them
Quote from: samuel maguire on April 17, 2023, 04:15:57 PM
Armagh should win this game comfortably enough i think. Cavan aren't a bad side, but aren't great either. I think armaghs last 2 seasons playing in the top division, along with Cavans playing in the bottom and 3rd division will stand to them
Agree. People talking up our chances aren't really basing it on the evidence of what we've seen from both sides over the last year or two. I think the 2 point handicap is very short and Armagh should win this game by 5+. Armagh scoring potential is far greater than Cavan's.
Quote from: Westside on April 17, 2023, 07:48:44 PM
Quote from: samuel maguire on April 17, 2023, 04:15:57 PM
Armagh should win this game comfortably enough i think. Cavan aren't a bad side, but aren't great either. I think armaghs last 2 seasons playing in the top division, along with Cavans playing in the bottom and 3rd division will stand to them
Agree. People talking up our chances aren't really basing it on the evidence of what we've seen from both sides over the last year or two. I think the 2 point handicap is very short and Armagh should win this game by 5+. Armagh scoring potential is far greater than Cavan's.
A FF line for example of Paddy Smith, Gearoid McKiernan and Dara McVetty is every bit as strong as Armaghs if Cavan were to line out like that.
Quote from: Itchy on April 17, 2023, 10:34:33 PM
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Quote from: samuel maguire on April 17, 2023, 04:15:57 PM
Armagh should win this game comfortably enough i think. Cavan aren't a bad side, but aren't great either. I think armaghs last 2 seasons playing in the top division, along with Cavans playing in the bottom and 3rd division will stand to them
Agree. People talking up our chances aren't really basing it on the evidence of what we've seen from both sides over the last year or two. I think the 2 point handicap is very short and Armagh should win this game by 5+. Armagh scoring potential is far greater than Cavan's.
A FF line for example of Paddy Smith, Gearoid McKiernan and Dara McVetty is every bit as strong as Armaghs if Cavan were to line out like that.
Gearoid looks a shadow of himself coming off the back of a bad injury, Paddy is struggling for form and fitness and McVeety is playing through pain and hasn't played in the full forward line since 2019. The three of them have never played together in the full forward line together. I don't believe that can all be resolved in the 3 week break from league final to Championship.
They're all excellent talented players Itchy, I agree with you but the context is important.
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Quote from: Itchy on April 17, 2023, 10:34:33 PM
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Quote from: samuel maguire on April 17, 2023, 04:15:57 PM
Armagh should win this game comfortably enough i think. Cavan aren't a bad side, but aren't great either. I think armaghs last 2 seasons playing in the top division, along with Cavans playing in the bottom and 3rd division will stand to them
Agree. People talking up our chances aren't really basing it on the evidence of what we've seen from both sides over the last year or two. I think the 2 point handicap is very short and Armagh should win this game by 5+. Armagh scoring potential is far greater than Cavan's.
A FF line for example of Paddy Smith, Gearoid McKiernan and Dara McVetty is every bit as strong as Armaghs if Cavan were to line out like that.
Gearoid looks a shadow of himself coming off the back of a bad injury, Paddy is struggling for form and fitness and McVeety is playing through pain and hasn't played in the full forward line since 2019. The three of them have never played together in the full forward line together. I don't believe that can all be resolved in the 3 week break from league final to Championship.
They're all excellent talented players Itchy, I agree with you but the context is important.
I think your glass half empty there. I expect does 3 lads to be at their peak on Saturday as that's how Graham and the backroom team will have planned it. Look at Monaghan, they looked hopeless in the league. Got a win against Mayo reserves to stay up but when Tyrone came around they were a different proposition. I'm expecting a Cavan team primed for a big performance on Saturday.
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Quote from: Westside on April 17, 2023, 11:18:07 PM
Quote from: Itchy on April 17, 2023, 10:34:33 PM
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Quote from: samuel maguire on April 17, 2023, 04:15:57 PM
Armagh should win this game comfortably enough i think. Cavan aren't a bad side, but aren't great either. I think armaghs last 2 seasons playing in the top division, along with Cavans playing in the bottom and 3rd division will stand to them
Agree. People talking up our chances aren't really basing it on the evidence of what we've seen from both sides over the last year or two. I think the 2 point handicap is very short and Armagh should win this game by 5+. Armagh scoring potential is far greater than Cavan's.
A FF line for example of Paddy Smith, Gearoid McKiernan and Dara McVetty is every bit as strong as Armaghs if Cavan were to line out like that.
Gearoid looks a shadow of himself coming off the back of a bad injury, Paddy is struggling for form and fitness and McVeety is playing through pain and hasn't played in the full forward line since 2019. The three of them have never played together in the full forward line together. I don't believe that can all be resolved in the 3 week break from league final to Championship.
They're all excellent talented players Itchy, I agree with you but the context is important.
I think your glass half empty there. I expect does 3 lads to be at their peak on Saturday as that's how Graham and the backroom team will have planned it. Look at Monaghan, they looked hopeless in the league. Got a win against Mayo reserves to stay up but when Tyrone came around they were a different proposition. I'm expecting a Cavan team primed for a big performance on Saturday.
Exactly Graham has been planning towards this game for months he put James Smith in full forward last year against Donegal and that was the first that we had seen him in there. There isn't a hope that there will be three men in the full forward line anyway apart from when the ball is been thrown in that isn't part of the game anymore.
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Quote from: Itchy on April 17, 2023, 10:34:33 PM
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Quote from: samuel maguire on April 17, 2023, 04:15:57 PM
Armagh should win this game comfortably enough i think. Cavan aren't a bad side, but aren't great either. I think armaghs last 2 seasons playing in the top division, along with Cavans playing in the bottom and 3rd division will stand to them
Agree. People talking up our chances aren't really basing it on the evidence of what we've seen from both sides over the last year or two. I think the 2 point handicap is very short and Armagh should win this game by 5+. Armagh scoring potential is far greater than Cavan's.
A FF line for example of Paddy Smith, Gearoid McKiernan and Dara McVetty is every bit as strong as Armaghs if Cavan were to line out like that.
Gearoid looks a shadow of himself coming off the back of a bad injury, Paddy is struggling for form and fitness and McVeety is playing through pain and hasn't played in the full forward line since 2019. The three of them have never played together in the full forward line together. I don't believe that can all be resolved in the 3 week break from league final to Championship.
They're all excellent talented players Itchy, I agree with you but the context is important.
Ah I wouldn't be too sure about that on G. Yeah he looked unfit, but wouldn't be hugely worried. He has been like this before and come the time he was in the right place. There was no reason to overshow their hand in the League final. If there's anything we know about Graham, is that he's been aiming everything towards being ready for this game, and that'll have included load on certain players. I expect those with existing niggles to have cleared up as they work towards this and should be ready to go. If no new injuries of course
Cavan torn between acting the candy men or being bullish on an internet forum, dilemmas.
Cavan are no doubt waiting in the long grass but Armagh are well well warned, beat Antrim with half a team and gave the Cavan management team very little to go on. It'll be very interesting to see our line up.
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Cavan torn between acting the candy men or being bullish on an internet forum, dilemmas.
Cavan are no doubt waiting in the long grass but Armagh are well well warned, beat Antrim with half a team and gave the Cavan management team very little to go on. It'll be very interesting to see our line up.
Hopefully it will be a good game anyway both managements will have to put a good bit of though into the match ups on the field as Graham won't know if Armaghs injured players are back and will have to plan for a few different scenarios. Likewise Armagh will probably have a good idea of 13 of the starting Cavan team but where 2 or 3 of them line up will be interesting (McVetty, McKiernan, James Smith.
To be honest, shite talk on here aside because it'll not affect anything, but if we play to our full potential and that is a massive if, we are well capable of beating Cavan. If we return to form and make sloppy mistakes they're a good enough team that will punish us. Expecting an extremely close game but cautiously confident of getting the victory. Should be a good day out anyway!
Agreed...We are a slighlty better team than Cavan but the gap isn't that big to be bursting with confidence. Cavan have home advantage and know how to beat Armagh so for me it will be tight. See all this talk about so and so not in form...load of bollix. Them experienced players always come good at Championship time and that's why they're still about the place, they perform every year in the Championship when they have too.
One thing that will throw me over the edge...If Armagh lose on sat evening playing defensive football pulling everyone back behing the ball and Cavan still beat us then i'll go ballistic swear to f**k. If we lose and get beat having a go i can accept that and say best team on the day won fair and square but that side ways passing with everyone back behind the ball has me well pissed off.
Quote from: illdecide on April 18, 2023, 01:07:46 PM
Agreed...We are a slighlty better team than Cavan but the gap isn't that big to be bursting with confidence. Cavan have home advantage and know how to beat Armagh so for me it will be tight. See all this talk about so and so not in form...load of bollix. Them experienced players always come good at Championship time and that's why they're still about the place, they perform every year in the Championship when they have too.
One thing that will throw me over the edge...If Armagh lose on sat evening playing defensive football pulling everyone back behing the ball and Cavan still beat us then i'll go ballistic swear to f**k. If we lose and get beat having a go i can accept that and say best team on the day won fair and square but that side ways passing with everyone back behind the ball has me well pissed off.
What you are trying to say is that teams are set up well with a good defensive structure in place, with fast transitions and turnovers, meeting their defensive and attacking KPIs.
Quote from: illdecide on April 18, 2023, 01:07:46 PM
Agreed...We are a slighlty better team than Cavan but the gap isn't that big to be bursting with confidence. Cavan have home advantage and know how to beat Armagh so for me it will be tight. See all this talk about so and so not in form...load of bollix. Them experienced players always come good at Championship time and that's why they're still about the place, they perform every year in the Championship when they have too.
One thing that will throw me over the edge...If Armagh lose on sat evening playing defensive football pulling everyone back behing the ball and Cavan still beat us then i'll go ballistic swear to f**k. If we lose and get beat having a go i can accept that and say best team on the day won fair and square but that side ways passing with everyone back behind the ball has me well pissed off.
Fully agree. Have a go and if Cavan are good enough to beat us then so be it
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Quote from: illdecide on April 18, 2023, 01:07:46 PM
Agreed...We are a slighlty better team than Cavan but the gap isn't that big to be bursting with confidence. Cavan have home advantage and know how to beat Armagh so for me it will be tight. See all this talk about so and so not in form...load of bollix. Them experienced players always come good at Championship time and that's why they're still about the place, they perform every year in the Championship when they have too.
One thing that will throw me over the edge...If Armagh lose on sat evening playing defensive football pulling everyone back behing the ball and Cavan still beat us then i'll go ballistic swear to f**k. If we lose and get beat having a go i can accept that and say best team on the day won fair and square but that side ways passing with everyone back behind the ball has me well pissed off.
What you are trying to say is that teams are set up well with a good defensive structure in place, with fast transitions and turnovers, meeting their defensive and attacking KPIs.
Armagh clearly aren't meeting their KPI's or they'd still be in Div 1
Quote from: Itchy on April 17, 2023, 10:34:33 PM
Quote from: Westside on April 17, 2023, 07:48:44 PM
Quote from: samuel maguire on April 17, 2023, 04:15:57 PM
Armagh should win this game comfortably enough i think. Cavan aren't a bad side, but aren't great either. I think armaghs last 2 seasons playing in the top division, along with Cavans playing in the bottom and 3rd division will stand to them
Agree. People talking up our chances aren't really basing it on the evidence of what we've seen from both sides over the last year or two. I think the 2 point handicap is very short and Armagh should win this game by 5+. Armagh scoring potential is far greater than Cavan's.
A FF line for example of Paddy Smith, Gearoid McKiernan and Dara McVetty is every bit as strong as Armaghs if Cavan were to line out like that.
That would be a huge surprise if it happened. I mean what is the chances of Cavan playing a 3 man full forward line??
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Quote from: Itchy on April 17, 2023, 10:34:33 PM
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Quote from: samuel maguire on April 17, 2023, 04:15:57 PM
Armagh should win this game comfortably enough i think. Cavan aren't a bad side, but aren't great either. I think armaghs last 2 seasons playing in the top division, along with Cavans playing in the bottom and 3rd division will stand to them
Agree. People talking up our chances aren't really basing it on the evidence of what we've seen from both sides over the last year or two. I think the 2 point handicap is very short and Armagh should win this game by 5+. Armagh scoring potential is far greater than Cavan's.
A FF line for example of Paddy Smith, Gearoid McKiernan and Dara McVetty is every bit as strong as Armaghs if Cavan were to line out like that.
That would be a huge surprise if it happened. I mean what is the chances of Cavan playing a 3 man full forward line??
Does any team play a 3 man full forward line anymore??
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Quote from: Itchy on April 17, 2023, 10:34:33 PM
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Quote from: samuel maguire on April 17, 2023, 04:15:57 PM
Armagh should win this game comfortably enough i think. Cavan aren't a bad side, but aren't great either. I think armaghs last 2 seasons playing in the top division, along with Cavans playing in the bottom and 3rd division will stand to them
Agree. People talking up our chances aren't really basing it on the evidence of what we've seen from both sides over the last year or two. I think the 2 point handicap is very short and Armagh should win this game by 5+. Armagh scoring potential is far greater than Cavan's.
A FF line for example of Paddy Smith, Gearoid McKiernan and Dara McVetty is every bit as strong as Armaghs if Cavan were to line out like that.
That would be a huge surprise if it happened. I mean what is the chances of Cavan playing a 3 man full forward line??
Derry often have a 5/6 man full forward line and sure we're the most defensive team in the country!!!
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Quote from: samuel maguire on April 17, 2023, 04:15:57 PM
Armagh should win this game comfortably enough i think. Cavan aren't a bad side, but aren't great either. I think armaghs last 2 seasons playing in the top division, along with Cavans playing in the bottom and 3rd division will stand to them
Agree. People talking up our chances aren't really basing it on the evidence of what we've seen from both sides over the last year or two. I think the 2 point handicap is very short and Armagh should win this game by 5+. Armagh scoring potential is far greater than Cavan's.
A FF line for example of Paddy Smith, Gearoid McKiernan and Dara McVetty is every bit as strong as Armaghs if Cavan were to line out like that.
That would be a huge surprise if it happened. I mean what is the chances of Cavan playing a 3 man full forward line??
Derry often have a 5/6 man full forward line and sure we're the most defensive team in the country!!!
I have always thought Derry to be offensive.
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Quote from: samuel maguire on April 17, 2023, 04:15:57 PM
Armagh should win this game comfortably enough i think. Cavan aren't a bad side, but aren't great either. I think armaghs last 2 seasons playing in the top division, along with Cavans playing in the bottom and 3rd division will stand to them
Agree. People talking up our chances aren't really basing it on the evidence of what we've seen from both sides over the last year or two. I think the 2 point handicap is very short and Armagh should win this game by 5+. Armagh scoring potential is far greater than Cavan's.
A FF line for example of Paddy Smith, Gearoid McKiernan and Dara McVetty is every bit as strong as Armaghs if Cavan were to line out like that.
That would be a huge surprise if it happened. I mean what is the chances of Cavan playing a 3 man full forward line??
Does any team play a 3 man full forward line anymore??
Not in the traditional sense but rotation of guys in and out, one guy dropping out to the half forward line etc is what I mean. That is common enough.
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Quote from: samuel maguire on April 17, 2023, 04:15:57 PM
Armagh should win this game comfortably enough i think. Cavan aren't a bad side, but aren't great either. I think armaghs last 2 seasons playing in the top division, along with Cavans playing in the bottom and 3rd division will stand to them
Agree. People talking up our chances aren't really basing it on the evidence of what we've seen from both sides over the last year or two. I think the 2 point handicap is very short and Armagh should win this game by 5+. Armagh scoring potential is far greater than Cavan's.
A FF line for example of Paddy Smith, Gearoid McKiernan and Dara McVetty is every bit as strong as Armaghs if Cavan were to line out like that.
Gearoid looks a shadow of himself coming off the back of a bad injury, Paddy is struggling for form and fitness and McVeety is playing through pain and hasn't played in the full forward line since 2019. The three of them have never played together in the full forward line together. I don't believe that can all be resolved in the 3 week break from league final to Championship.
They're all excellent talented players Itchy, I agree with you but the context is important.
I think your glass half empty there. I expect does 3 lads to be at their peak on Saturday as that's how Graham and the backroom team will have planned it. Look at Monaghan, they looked hopeless in the league. Got a win against Mayo reserves to stay up but when Tyrone came around they were a different proposition. I'm expecting a Cavan team primed for a big performance on Saturday.
I'd prefer that the 3 lads peak on Sunday.
Quote from: illdecide on April 18, 2023, 01:07:46 PM
Agreed...We are a slighlty better team than Cavan but the gap isn't that big to be bursting with confidence. Cavan have home advantage and know how to beat Armagh so for me it will be tight. See all this talk about so and so not in form...load of bollix. Them experienced players always come good at Championship time and that's why they're still about the place, they perform every year in the Championship when they have too.
One thing that will throw me over the edge...If Armagh lose on sat evening playing defensive football pulling everyone back behing the ball and Cavan still beat us then i'll go ballistic swear to f**k. If we lose and get beat having a go i can accept that and say best team on the day won fair and square but that side ways passing with everyone back behind the ball has me well pissed off.
From the TV commentator near the end of the game "We'd like to apologies to our listeners if our sideline microphones picked up any untoward language"
Will Morgan have better manners this time around? Marking McVeety in 2019 I think he put in one of the most disgraceful performances I've ever seen before being taken off after 20 mins.
Say Cavan come out all guns blazing , are very disciplined and have higher intensity levels than Armagh. How good is Geezer at changing tactics during the game ?
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Quote from: Westside on April 17, 2023, 07:48:44 PM
Quote from: samuel maguire on April 17, 2023, 04:15:57 PM
Armagh should win this game comfortably enough i think. Cavan aren't a bad side, but aren't great either. I think armaghs last 2 seasons playing in the top division, along with Cavans playing in the bottom and 3rd division will stand to them
Agree. People talking up our chances aren't really basing it on the evidence of what we've seen from both sides over the last year or two. I think the 2 point handicap is very short and Armagh should win this game by 5+. Armagh scoring potential is far greater than Cavan's.
A FF line for example of Paddy Smith, Gearoid McKiernan and Dara McVetty is every bit as strong as Armaghs if Cavan were to line out like that.
That would be a huge surprise if it happened. I mean what is the chances of Cavan playing a 3 man full forward line??
Derry often have a 5/6 man full forward line and sure we're the most defensive team in the country!!!
I have always thought Derry to be offensive.
Mouth!!
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Aare Cavan missing Thomas Galligan?
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Aare Cavan missing Thomas Galligan?
Yeah he's away travelling for the year
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Quote from: Main Street on April 18, 2023, 10:24:10 PM
Aare Cavan missing Thomas Galligan?
Yeah he's away travelling for the year
Serious loss. Was he away last year as well? Never forget watching him vs Donegal in the Ulster final that year. Warrior.
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Say Cavan come out all guns blazing , are very disciplined and have higher intensity levels than Armagh. How good is Geezer at changing tactics during the game ?
Awful in my book. When he was over Kildare we allowed games flow the wrong way with no real stir.
Rain now forecast at this time, which would be a pity. Still, it might miss the game time.
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Quote from: Main Street on April 18, 2023, 10:24:10 PM
Aare Cavan missing Thomas Galligan?
Yeah he's away travelling for the year
Serious loss. Was he away last year as well? Never forget watching him vs Donegal in the Ulster final that year. Warrior.
No he was playing last year, but had some injuries so played but wasn't fully up to speed I recall. He has transferred to a club in New York. Hope he'll be back next year, but was some word he might be taking 2 out
No he was playing last year, but had some injuries so played but wasn't fully up to speed I recall. He has transferred to a club in New York. Hope he'll be back next year, but was some word he might be taking 2 out
Heard he trained with New York on Sunday and will bepart of their squad for Sligo this weekend
Quote from: Blue in hope on April 19, 2023, 10:34:38 AM
No he was playing last year, but had some injuries so played but wasn't fully up to speed I recall. He has transferred to a club in New York. Hope he'll be back next year, but was some word he might be taking 2 out
Heard he trained with New York on Sunday and will bepart of their squad for Sligo this weekend
Really - Jesus that is come coup for New York.
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Quote from: illdecide on April 18, 2023, 01:07:46 PM
Agreed...We are a slighlty better team than Cavan but the gap isn't that big to be bursting with confidence. Cavan have home advantage and know how to beat Armagh so for me it will be tight. See all this talk about so and so not in form...load of bollix. Them experienced players always come good at Championship time and that's why they're still about the place, they perform every year in the Championship when they have too.
One thing that will throw me over the edge...If Armagh lose on sat evening playing defensive football pulling everyone back behing the ball and Cavan still beat us then i'll go ballistic swear to f**k. If we lose and get beat having a go i can accept that and say best team on the day won fair and square but that side ways passing with everyone back behind the ball has me well pissed off.
Fully agree. Have a go and if Cavan are good enough to beat us then so be it
I think that is the general feeling. If we play to try and win the match but fail then so be it and maybe Cavan are better than I expect. If however, we play not to lose the match and engage in another slugfest of sideways backwards muck then I wouldn't be too happy. I'd be hopeful though that the lessons have been learned during the League that the slow cagey build up zonal defensive stuff doesn't really suit us. If we play that way then the game will come down to the last 10 minutes and could go either way. If however we play a physical, high intensity game with a good mix then I'm confident we can win this one more easily.
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No he was playing last year, but had some injuries so played but wasn't fully up to speed I recall. He has transferred to a club in New York. Hope he'll be back next year, but was some word he might be taking 2 out
Heard he trained with New York on Sunday and will bepart of their squad for Sligo this weekend
Really - Jesus that is come coup for New York.
So he's taken time off from Cavan GAA and is now rumoured to be a part of the New York squad participating in the championship squad,
Is that tolerable, a temporary defection of sorts by one of your best players, as apposed to the treasonable offense of defecting after being dropped from the panel?
Wonder does everyone know this is on GAA Go not on BBC/RTE. This probably the first weekend there's some big matches exclusively on GAA Go, interesting what the reaction will be I'd say there will be a few complaints. I didn't like Sky but it was a lot more accessible for many and pubs etc.
Derry Monaghan again is exclusively GAA Go also. I'd say a lot of people aren't subscribed to it on season pass.
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No he was playing last year, but had some injuries so played but wasn't fully up to speed I recall. He has transferred to a club in New York. Hope he'll be back next year, but was some word he might be taking 2 out
Heard he trained with New York on Sunday and will bepart of their squad for Sligo this weekend
Really - Jesus that is come coup for New York.
So he's taken time off from Cavan GAA and is now rumoured to be a part of the New York squad participating in the championship squad,
Is that tolerable, a temporary defection of sorts by one of your best players, as apposed to the treasonable offense of defecting after being dropped from the panel?
Fair point but it's a bit different, he's been travelling the world since last autumn and I expect has just made his way to the US to play ball this summer like 100s of others. Let's see if this rumour is even true next weekend.
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Quote from: Blue in hope on April 19, 2023, 10:34:38 AM
No he was playing last year, but had some injuries so played but wasn't fully up to speed I recall. He has transferred to a club in New York. Hope he'll be back next year, but was some word he might be taking 2 out
Heard he trained with New York on Sunday and will bepart of their squad for Sligo this weekend
Really - Jesus that is come coup for New York.
So he's taken time off from Cavan GAA and is now rumoured to be a part of the New York squad participating in the championship squad,
Is that tolerable, a temporary defection of sorts by one of your best players, as apposed to the treasonable offense of defecting after being dropped from the panel?
Fair point but it's a bit different, he's been travelling the world since last autumn and I expect has just made his way to the US to play ball this summer like 100s of others. Let's see if this rumour is even true next weekend.
all the best to him i'd say. He was one of the main factors behind Cavans best day in manys a year, I'm sure he'll be back for them at some stage.
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Quote from: Blue in hope on April 19, 2023, 10:34:38 AM
No he was playing last year, but had some injuries so played but wasn't fully up to speed I recall. He has transferred to a club in New York. Hope he'll be back next year, but was some word he might be taking 2 out
Heard he trained with New York on Sunday and will bepart of their squad for Sligo this weekend
Really - Jesus that is come coup for New York.
So he's taken time off from Cavan GAA and is now rumoured to be a part of the New York squad participating in the championship squad,
Is that tolerable, a temporary defection of sorts by one of your best players, as apposed to the treasonable offense of defecting after being dropped from the panel?
Temporary. He graduated as a physio, and is travelling for his work. He was in Australia late last year, early this year. Was back for a few weeks before going to the US. May as well play some ball when there. He has said he will be back after his travels and work experience, but sure who knows.
Sure the lad is just right. When you're young enough go and travel the World and do what you have to do, the GAA have an awful habit of tarnishing someone for not being back home playing for his County. Let the lad have his fun and he'll return if and when he wants too. Fair play to him (i'm slighlty jealous).
Quote from: full moon on April 19, 2023, 03:12:50 PM
Wonder does everyone know this is on GAA Go not on BBC/RTE. This probably the first weekend there's some big matches exclusively on GAA Go, interesting what the reaction will be I'd say there will be a few complaints. I didn't like Sky but it was a lot more accessible for many and pubs etc.
Derry Monaghan again is exclusively GAA Go also. I'd say a lot of people aren't subscribed to it on season pass.
€12 per game or €79 for Season pass. The GPA sitting watching rubbing their hands for the next 'negotiations'. I've posted it before but the GAA expects professionalism in every aspect of the organisation apart from the the most obvious one, the players getting paid, it's coming imo.
The IPTV lads will no doubt be along shortly saying the extra finance for GAA coffers is great tho.
Quote from: illdecide on April 20, 2023, 10:19:58 AM
Sure the lad is just right. When you're young enough go and travel the World and do what you have to do, the GAA have an awful habit of tarnishing someone for not being back home playing for his County. Let the lad have his fun and he'll return if and when he wants too. Fair play to him (i'm slighlty jealous).
Don't think theres many wishing him anything but the best from what I've seen. He's already gave the Cavan boys plenty and I'm sure he' be back in the future.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 20, 2023, 11:04:16 AM
Quote from: illdecide on April 20, 2023, 10:19:58 AM
Sure the lad is just right. When you're young enough go and travel the World and do what you have to do, the GAA have an awful habit of tarnishing someone for not being back home playing for his County. Let the lad have his fun and he'll return if and when he wants too. Fair play to him (i'm slighlty jealous).
Don't think theres many wishing him anything but the best from what I've seen. He's already gave the Cavan boys plenty and I'm sure he' be back in the future.
That's it exactly. He's put his body on the line for Cavan, everyone wishes him best, but do hope he's back soon
The modern sport is very demanding. Players are entitled to take a break
https://cavangaa.ie/2023/04/traffic-management-plan-kingspan-breffni-saturday-april-22nd-2023/
Rafferty
Oneill
Mckay
Forker
Mccabe
Mackin
McCambridge
Crealy
Mcpartland
Campbell
Hall
Duffy
Grugan
Murnin
Turbo
They're just trolling now naming Hall at CHF
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 20, 2023, 10:04:48 PM
Rafferty
Oneill
Mckay
Forker
Mccabe
Mackin
McCambridge
Crealy
Mcpartland
Campbell
Hall
Duffy
Grugan
Murnin
Turbo
No James Morgan
Disappointing as must be injured
Quote from: full moon on April 19, 2023, 03:12:50 PM
Wonder does everyone know this is on GAA Go not on BBC/RTE. This probably the first weekend there's some big matches exclusively on GAA Go, interesting what the reaction will be I'd say there will be a few complaints. I didn't like Sky but it was a lot more accessible for many and pubs etc.
Derry Monaghan again is exclusively GAA Go also. I'd say a lot of people aren't subscribed to it on season pass.
Yeah, games on Sky Sports were effectively free for those who were paying for Sky anyway. Expensive for those who weren't but had the option of subscribing and getting a lot more than just GAA, or heading round to the local. It will be interesting to see if many pubs make the effort to go the GAAGo route.
But if Sky were showing one game this weekend on Sky Sports and the rest on Sky Box Office at 12 bob a pop, there would be absolute uproar. The fact that's effectively what we're getting with RTE/GAAgo this weekend has gone under the radar alright.
Quote from: Hound on April 21, 2023, 07:20:20 AM
Quote from: full moon on April 19, 2023, 03:12:50 PM
Wonder does everyone know this is on GAA Go not on BBC/RTE. This probably the first weekend there's some big matches exclusively on GAA Go, interesting what the reaction will be I'd say there will be a few complaints. I didn't like Sky but it was a lot more accessible for many and pubs etc.
Derry Monaghan again is exclusively GAA Go also. I'd say a lot of people aren't subscribed to it on season pass.
Yeah, games on Sky Sports were effectively free for those who were paying for Sky anyway. Expensive for those who weren't but had the option of subscribing and getting a lot more than just GAA, or heading round to the local. It will be interesting to see if many pubs make the effort to go the GAAGo route.
But if Sky were showing one game this weekend on Sky Sports and the rest on Sky Box Office at 12 bob a pop, there would be absolute uproar. The fact that's effectively what we're getting with RTE/GAAgo this weekend has gone under the radar alright.
It won't be under the radar for long once they games start coming thick and fast and people can't get watching them there will be uproar.
There are 27 games at all levels on this weekend and 9 between senior football and Liam McCarthy. It's the curse of the split season.
Unfortunately, it seems that tomorrow will be the only day with rain in the week. The forecast is pretty accurate with only a day to go.
As for GAAgo, NowTV might have been better value for a few big games, but for other counties you would still have to use GAAgo.
Quote from: armaghniac on April 21, 2023, 09:09:47 AM
Unfortunately, it seems that tomorrow will be the only day with rain in the week. The forecast is pretty accurate with only a day to go.
As for GAAgo, NowTV might have been better value for a few big games, but for other counties you would still have to use GAAgo.
Not good when my stand seat doesn't have a roof :o
Quote from: seafoid on April 21, 2023, 09:04:29 AM
There are 27 games at all levels on this weekend and 9 between senior football and Liam McCarthy. It's the curse of the split season.
Or the curse of bad planning.
Surely some of the games could have been played last weekend
Quote from: full moon on April 19, 2023, 03:12:50 PM
Wonder does everyone know this is on GAA Go not on BBC/RTE. This probably the first weekend there's some big matches exclusively on GAA Go, interesting what the reaction will be I'd say there will be a few complaints. I didn't like Sky but it was a lot more accessible for many and pubs etc.
Derry Monaghan again is exclusively GAA Go also. I'd say a lot of people aren't subscribed to it on season pass.
Ffs. I thought BBC were showing all Ulster championship games!
Quote from: balladmaker on April 21, 2023, 09:19:10 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on April 21, 2023, 09:09:47 AM
Unfortunately, it seems that tomorrow will be the only day with rain in the week. The forecast is pretty accurate with only a day to go.
As for GAAgo, NowTV might have been better value for a few big games, but for other counties you would still have to use GAAgo.
Not good when my stand seat doesn't have a roof :o
It looks ok for match time. It is going to be cold though.
Quote from: balladmaker on April 21, 2023, 09:19:10 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on April 21, 2023, 09:09:47 AM
Unfortunately, it seems that tomorrow will be the only day with rain in the week. The forecast is pretty accurate with only a day to go.
As for GAAgo, NowTV might have been better value for a few big games, but for other counties you would still have to use GAAgo.
Not good when my stand seat doesn't have a roof :o
I took a terrace ticket, as the rain runs off better when standing.
No TK
No J Morgan
J Hall at 11...Christ
Midfield are very inexperienced and can't be match fit (can't include Antrim game as they were pathetic). Shane had his first Championship start last day out and Creely had been out injured for the last 3-4 months.
In saying all of the above this team may not be the team that lines out, Saturday is going to be wet and the wet heavy sod may well suit Cavan being the bigger team
"Armagh's record in Ulster is awful"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btpbPcqBqXc&t=4380s
I'm convinced that as a reward for their efforts, McGeeney lets an Armagh steward pick the team for the press release.
This week it was yer man from Forkhill.
It's true I tell ya.
Alexa, pick an Armagh 15
Cavan team named:
Raymond Galligan
Killian Clarke
Padraig Faulkner
Jason McLoughlin
Ciaran Brady
Oisin Kiernan
Gerry Smith
Gearoid McKiernan
James Smith
Conor Brady
Dara McVeety
Jonny McCabe
Cian Madden
Paddy Lynch
Oisin Brady
Bench: Liam Brady, Conor Moynagh, Conor Madden, Niall Carolan, Tiarnan Madden, Brandon Boylan, Ryan O'Neill, Jack McKenna, Killian Brady, Marty Reilly, Conor Smith
Strong team, and good bench too with a lot of options to come on as needed.
Quote from: illdecide on April 21, 2023, 10:29:30 AM
No TK
No J Morgan
J Hall at 11...Christ
Midfield are very inexperienced and can't be match fit (can't include Antrim game as they were pathetic). Shane had his first Championship start last day out and Creely had been out injured for the last 3-4 months.
In saying all of the above this team may not be the team that lines out, Saturday is going to be wet and the wet heavy sod may well suit Cavan being the bigger team
tbf shane needs to start
and would rather he played than stephen
the forward line has scores in it and save for losing morgan who i really rate the defence is fine
could seee jarlath og and rian coming in but jeez at this stage if we can`t put away Cavan ( and thats no disrespect to Cavan) we have no right to be playing in the Sam group stages in june because its a waste of time and money
I'd be reluctant to criticise the starting line up since we just don't know if that is the team that will start the match. But I would imagine that Morgan, Burns and O'Neill would be in most peoples strongest fifteen so we are probably playing below full strength if that team does take the field. McPartland was excellent the last day but it is a massive task to play midfield where Cavan look strong especially given that Crealey has missed much of the season as well. That area is a major concern. However I still think that team is capable of beating Cavan and we have plenty of firepower off the bench if needed.
The only thing we know from the two team annoucements is who is in the first 26.
Armagh started with the team named the last day out tho
Quote from: gander on April 21, 2023, 02:42:25 PM
Armagh started with the team named the last day out tho
Maybe. Time will tell.
Looks like conditions will be brutal tomorrow. Rain all day
Quote from: An Watcher on April 21, 2023, 07:05:27 PM
Looks like conditions will be brutal tomorrow. Rain all day
It's a pity, it will not be overly warm either.
The weather this evening would have done, although it cool also.
It might come down to the managers.
Quote from: seafoid on April 21, 2023, 07:40:35 PM
It might come down to the managers.
In a one to one I am confident in McGeeney, especially if it is MMA.
Quote from: armaghniac on April 21, 2023, 09:15:00 PM
Quote from: seafoid on April 21, 2023, 07:40:35 PM
It might come down to the managers.
In a one to one I am confident in McGeeney, especially if it is MMA.
I think it would like Indiana Jones, McGeeney be jumping around the place doing ninja moves, flexing his pecks and then mickey pulls out a gun and shoots him.
Quote from: An Watcher on April 21, 2023, 07:05:27 PM
Looks like conditions will be brutal tomorrow. Rain all day
Does Breffni Park pitch cope well with the rain?
Quote from: Orior on April 21, 2023, 10:41:34 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on April 21, 2023, 07:05:27 PM
Looks like conditions will be brutal tomorrow. Rain all day
Does Breffni Park pitch cope well with the rain?
Ordinarily yes. But not this year. There was a lot of games on it late last year and cut the surface up a fair bit. They worked in it early this year, put down a lot of sand, but it looked fairly patchy last League game. A far cry from the carpet it was last summer. But few games since 4 weeks ago, and better weather lately means they might have it back to where it needs to be. These earlier Championship starts does put pressure on surfaces though
Minors played on it last weekend, it doesn't look great. I was down on it after and there are large parts up the centre with little to no grass.
Quote from: Orior on April 21, 2023, 10:41:34 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on April 21, 2023, 07:05:27 PM
Looks like conditions will be brutal tomorrow. Rain all day
Does Breffni Park pitch cope well with the rain?
Won't be an issue
Can people from Northern ireland watch the match on gaago. I know in the past gaago only shown the games for people living overseas
Quote from: Itchy on April 21, 2023, 11:05:58 PM
Quote from: Orior on April 21, 2023, 10:41:34 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on April 21, 2023, 07:05:27 PM
Looks like conditions will be brutal tomorrow. Rain all day
Does Breffni Park pitch cope well with the rain?
Won't be an issue
Hurling match on before the football, seems unwise
Quote from: Nanderson on April 22, 2023, 08:36:19 AM
Can people from Northern ireland watch the match on gaago. I know in the past gaago only shown the games for people living overseas
When the game is on RTÉ, people in Ireland cannot watch it on GAAgo This game is not broadcast and people everywhere can watch it.
I suspect that a couple of thousand people extra will be using GAAgo today because of the weather.
Quote from: Nanderson on April 22, 2023, 08:36:19 AM
Can people from Northern ireland watch the match on gaago. I know in the past gaago only shown the games for people living overseas
Yes island of Ireland can watch it
Thanks
Is this game not on BBC online?
Quote from: WT4E on April 22, 2023, 01:01:43 PM
Is this game not on BBC online?
You haven't been paying attention!
Lad my interest in Armagh threads is minimal. I ain't reading back for a one all ireland wonder
Kildare are roaring for Armagh.
10 minutes played Cavan with their first score. Cavan 0-1 Armagh 0-3
No Cross players in the starting 15
After 20 minutes Cavan 0-2 Armagh 0-6
Now Armagh 0-9 Cavan 0-3
Sorry Itchy but it does look like Division 1 vs top of Division 3.
Cavan backs are marking like an u14 team. Awful
Goal for Armagh. Cavan 0-4 Armagh 1-10
Half time Cavan 0-6 Armagh 1-10
Armagh forwards are the difference.
Square ball... Cavan are muck!
What made anybody think this was going to be tight to start with? Not see the Derry v Fermanagh game last week.
The gap is getting bigger. If Donegal have anything about them (stop runners) they'll beat Down by 4-5
Armagh's Division one preparation or be it relegation v Cavan Division three preparation was very noticeable in that 1st half.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 22, 2023, 07:06:33 PM
What made anybody think this was going to be tight to start with? Not see the Derry v Fermanagh game last week.
It's only half time. Armagh are more than capable of throwing this away
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 22, 2023, 07:12:11 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 22, 2023, 07:06:33 PM
What made anybody think this was going to be tight to start with? Not see the Derry v Fermanagh game last week.
It's only half time. Armagh are more than capable of throwing this away
A lot of people talking like this game is over already
Armagh looking slick enough at times, Cavan not so much, the divisional difference clear to see. Still, Cavan only a slippy goal away from being right back in it.
Quote from: greatpoint on April 22, 2023, 07:13:58 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 22, 2023, 07:12:11 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 22, 2023, 07:06:33 PM
What made anybody think this was going to be tight to start with? Not see the Derry v Fermanagh game last week.
It's only half time. Armagh are more than capable of throwing this away
A lot of people talking like this game is over already
It's 7pts as opposed to 5pts last week and there's been no mention of a breeze with both teams having long range scores I don't see a way back for them.
Quote from: screenexile on April 22, 2023, 07:16:24 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on April 22, 2023, 07:13:58 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 22, 2023, 07:12:11 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 22, 2023, 07:06:33 PM
What made anybody think this was going to be tight to start with? Not see the Derry v Fermanagh game last week.
It's only half time. Armagh are more than capable of throwing this away
A lot of people talking like this game is over already
It's 7pts as opposed to 5pts last week and there's been no mention of a breeze with both teams having long range scores I don't see a way back for them.
I think Cavan had the wind.
Quote from: screenexile on April 22, 2023, 07:16:24 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on April 22, 2023, 07:13:58 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 22, 2023, 07:12:11 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 22, 2023, 07:06:33 PM
What made anybody think this was going to be tight to start with? Not see the Derry v Fermanagh game last week.
It's only half time. Armagh are more than capable of throwing this away
A lot of people talking like this game is over already
It's 7pts as opposed to 5pts last week and there's been no mention of a breeze with both teams having long range scores I don't see a way back for them.
The flags behind the Armagh goals in first half would suggest that Cavan had whatever wind there is but the commentary said at the start that it wasn't significant
Armagh scored 1-4 from turnovers in the first half.
Rian O'Neill is on
Cavan 0-8 Armagh 1-14 good news for the home side is the game is almost over.
Is thumping it long armaghs only tactic for kickouts? Mind bogglingly stupid
Keeper taken out twice by dirty cavan and not a single officiating member see it?
15 wides dear Lord!!!
Who all the wides
All over
1-14 to 0-12
FT Cavan 0-12 Armagh 1-14. Not many positives for Cavan to take out of that game, wasteful,wayward shooting and loose defensively.
Armagh tried their best to let Cavan back into it there in the last 15 and Cavan missed enough to win. We emptied the bench and seemed to lose our shape a bit & reverted to the trying to win pulling up that served us so badly in the league. But, not a night for champagne football, so a good win over a decent team. Turbitt excellent again, McPartlan very good again. A sound workman like performance and plenty of room for improvements.
Not great by Armagh in that 2nd half with just 4 points scored however the contest was as good as over at half time. Cavan won't be winning any Tailteann cup with that type of shooting.
Decent evening for Armagh. Game won after half an hour. Could afford to drift to the end and give a few men some minutes. Lots to work on, but no point hitting full pace at this stage. Donegal will be another step up.
Good enough win although kickouts a concern in second half. Turbitt unreal and what a save from O'Neill. Plenty to work on and on to the next one.
Geezer lives another day
Quote from: Blowitupref on April 22, 2023, 08:03:33 PM
FT Cavan 0-12 Armagh 1-14. No many positives for Cavan to take out of that game, wasteful,wayward shooting and loose defensively.
Only positive is they can't play any worse.
2nd half shot selections and missing that goal chance undid Cavan, they could've been contenders in that last quarter.
Quote from: Main Street on April 22, 2023, 08:48:40 PM
2nd half shot selections and missing that goal chance undid Cavan, they could've been contenders in that last quarter.
That's the difference between the divisions. Even Division 2 is sloppy compared to Division 1. I wouldn't be expecting accuracy in such a match from any team below mid level D2.
Was the Armagh goal a square ball or am i seeing things in the highlights i just watched?
He seemed half in half out on the live replay.
As I mentioned in an earlier comment, although both teams are division 2 in 2024, this was a div 1 team playing a div 3 team today and that showed.
It was a square ball.
Quote from: larryin89 on April 22, 2023, 09:28:08 PM
Was the Armagh goal a square ball or am i seeing things in the highlights i just watched?
actually thought that myself watching it live, havent seen replay.
Yer boy Turbitt has the looks of a 2019 McShane season about him.
That lad would scored alot at underage level.
Quote from: Main Street on April 22, 2023, 08:48:40 PM
2nd half shot selections and missing that goal chance undid Cavan, they could've been contenders in that last quarter.
Thought the ref keep Cavan in the game .
Quote from: naka on April 22, 2023, 10:43:50 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 22, 2023, 08:48:40 PM
2nd half shot selections and missing that goal chance undid Cavan, they could've been contenders in that last quarter.
Thought the ref keep Cavan in the game .
Thought he was harsh enough on us alright. Cavan probably could have had a man sent off for punching Jarly Og on side of the head in first half.
Quote from: seafoid on April 22, 2023, 08:57:12 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 22, 2023, 08:48:40 PM
2nd half shot selections and missing that goal chance undid Cavan, they could've been contenders in that last quarter.
That's the difference between the divisions. Even Division 2 is sloppy compared to Division 1. I wouldn't be expecting accuracy in such a match from any team below mid level D2.
Agree, massive difference between top 10 and everyone else. Though thar game would have been interesting if it wasnt for an unreal save by rian oneill
Armagh deserved their win. I thought we were pure shite today. Lacked any effort at attacking in first half, coughed up the cheapest turnovers I've seen in a long time. And yet in 2nd half when game looked lost we dominated possession but proceeded to kick brutal wide after wide. I can take no positives from it and bitterly disappointed in that display
Armagh will need to improve a lot to win ulster, a better team would have caught them in the 2nd half.
Cruise control for Armagh, once the goal went in it was game over and it just highlighted the gap in the divisions. But we'll need to be better to beat Derry or Monaghan in a potential Ulster final.
Quote from: yellowcard on April 23, 2023, 07:37:16 AM
Cruise control for Armagh, once the goal went in it was game over and it just highlighted the gap in the divisions. But we'll need to be better to beat Derry or Monaghan in a potential Ulster final.
So you give Down or Donegal no chance against Armagh at all?
Quote from: Derryman forever on April 23, 2023, 07:51:56 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on April 23, 2023, 07:37:16 AM
Cruise control for Armagh, once the goal went in it was game over and it just highlighted the gap in the divisions. But we'll need to be better to beat Derry or Monaghan in a potential Ulster final.
So you give Down or Donegal no chance against Armagh at all?
Would never take anything for granted with this Armagh team and wasn't confident we'd best Cavan even when 9 points up. Couldn't relax until final whistle. Don't think Down or Donegal are close to as good as Cavan at this stage. We'd be strong favourites against either and should be beating them well, but like I always say, anything is possible with this Armagh team. (In a positive and negative sense)
Quote from: Derryman forever on April 23, 2023, 07:51:56 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on April 23, 2023, 07:37:16 AM
Cruise control for Armagh, once the goal went in it was game over and it just highlighted the gap in the divisions. But we'll need to be better to beat Derry or Monaghan in a potential Ulster final.
So you give Down or Donegal no chance against Armagh at all?
Honestly no chance. Monaghan or Derry would be a different story though.
Quote from: yellowcard on April 23, 2023, 08:38:02 AM
Quote from: Derryman forever on April 23, 2023, 07:51:56 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on April 23, 2023, 07:37:16 AM
Cruise control for Armagh, once the goal went in it was game over and it just highlighted the gap in the divisions. But we'll need to be better to beat Derry or Monaghan in a potential Ulster final.
So you give Down or Donegal no chance against Armagh at all?
Honestly no chance. Monaghan or Derry would be a different story though.
It's hard to make any comments on that until we see the game today but I think there is plenty of opportunities to get at Armagh. Cavan were just terrible and couldn't do it. Who knows with Donegal? Down I think are worse than Cavan. Armagh have had a good 1st round win before only to get arrogant and mess up the semi so be interesting to see can they keep a cap on that
Quote from: Itchy on April 23, 2023, 08:58:28 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on April 23, 2023, 08:38:02 AM
Quote from: Derryman forever on April 23, 2023, 07:51:56 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on April 23, 2023, 07:37:16 AM
Cruise control for Armagh, once the goal went in it was game over and it just highlighted the gap in the divisions. But we'll need to be better to beat Derry or Monaghan in a potential Ulster final.
So you give Down or Donegal no chance against Armagh at all?
Honestly no chance. Monaghan or Derry would be a different story though.
It's hard to make any comments on that until we see the game today but I think there is plenty of opportunities to get at Armagh. Cavan were just terrible and couldn't do it. Who knows with Donegal? Down I think are worse than Cavan. Armagh have had a good 1st round win before only to get arrogant and mess up the semi so be interesting to see can they keep a cap on that
Despite the gap in divisions I think Down will beat Donegal today although all the division 3 sides have been woeful in the championship to date. But I think Donegal are so poor and are in such a mess that Down have a decent chance playing at home. I'm not saying we'll win Ulster but Armagh are well ahead of either of those 2 sides. I'd make Derry favourites to win it though marginally ahead of Monaghan.
Quote from: yellowcard on April 23, 2023, 09:04:19 AM
Quote from: Itchy on April 23, 2023, 08:58:28 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on April 23, 2023, 08:38:02 AM
Quote from: Derryman forever on April 23, 2023, 07:51:56 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on April 23, 2023, 07:37:16 AM
Cruise control for Armagh, once the goal went in it was game over and it just highlighted the gap in the divisions. But we'll need to be better to beat Derry or Monaghan in a potential Ulster final.
So you give Down or Donegal no chance against Armagh at all?
Honestly no chance. Monaghan or Derry would be a different story though.
It's hard to make any comments on that until we see the game today but I think there is plenty of opportunities to get at Armagh. Cavan were just terrible and couldn't do it. Who knows with Donegal? Down I think are worse than Cavan. Armagh have had a good 1st round win before only to get arrogant and mess up the semi so be interesting to see can they keep a cap on that
Despite the gap in divisions I think Down will beat Donegal today although all the division 3 sides have been woeful in the championship to date. But I think Donegal are so poor and are in such a mess that Down have a decent chance playing at home. I'm not saying we'll win Ulster but Armagh are well ahead of either of those 2 sides. I'd make Derry favourites to win it though marginally ahead of Monaghan.
Ah yeh, ye would be hot favorites. Im just saying not to beat yourselves getting too ahead of yourselves.
Quote from: Itchy on April 23, 2023, 09:07:56 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on April 23, 2023, 09:04:19 AM
Quote from: Itchy on April 23, 2023, 08:58:28 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on April 23, 2023, 08:38:02 AM
Quote from: Derryman forever on April 23, 2023, 07:51:56 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on April 23, 2023, 07:37:16 AM
Cruise control for Armagh, once the goal went in it was game over and it just highlighted the gap in the divisions. But we'll need to be better to beat Derry or Monaghan in a potential Ulster final.
So you give Down or Donegal no chance against Armagh at all?
Honestly no chance. Monaghan or Derry would be a different story though.
It's hard to make any comments on that until we see the game today but I think there is plenty of opportunities to get at Armagh. Cavan were just terrible and couldn't do it. Who knows with Donegal? Down I think are worse than Cavan. Armagh have had a good 1st round win before only to get arrogant and mess up the semi so be interesting to see can they keep a cap on that
Despite the gap in divisions I think Down will beat Donegal today although all the division 3 sides have been woeful in the championship to date. But I think Donegal are so poor and are in such a mess that Down have a decent chance playing at home. I'm not saying we'll win Ulster but Armagh are well ahead of either of those 2 sides. I'd make Derry favourites to win it though marginally ahead of Monaghan.
Ah yeh, ye would be hot favorites. Im just saying not to beat yourselves getting too ahead of yourselves.
I understand what you're saying but as fans we are allowed to get carried away, otherwise what's the point! I don't think the team or management will be getting too carried away though, we're still far from world beaters but if we win Ulster it would represent a great season and everything else would be a bonus after that.
Armagh have beaten poor Antrim and Cavan teams so far, with no disrespect to either counties, neither of them would be considered statement wins for Armagh.
Second half last night when Cavan pushed up on our kick out, we couldn't win a ball. A more ruthless team would have turned us over in those circumstances. So a lot still to be worked on before semi next week. No Armagh supporters should be losing the run of ourselves, yes we can be excited by possibility of a final appearance, but there's another difficult game to be navigated next week.
Quote from: balladmaker on April 23, 2023, 09:56:41 AM
Armagh have beaten poor Antrim and Cavan teams so far, with no disrespect to either counties, neither of them would be considered statement wins for Armagh.
Second half last night when Cavan pushed up on our kick out, we couldn't win a ball. A more ruthless team would have turned us over in those circumstances. So a lot still to be worked on before semi next week. No Armagh supporters should be losing the run of ourselves, yes we can be excited by possibility of a final appearance, but there's another difficult game to be navigated next week.
Yeah we needed to vary that kick out, lumping it just wasn't working.
Quote from: balladmaker on April 23, 2023, 09:56:41 AM
Armagh have beaten poor Antrim and Cavan teams so far, with no disrespect to either counties, neither of them would be considered statement wins for Armagh.
Second half last night when Cavan pushed up on our kick out, we couldn't win a ball. A more ruthless team would have turned us over in those circumstances. So a lot still to be worked on before semi next week. No Armagh supporters should be losing the run of ourselves, yes we can be excited by possibility of a final appearance, but there's another difficult game to be navigated next week.
The game was effectively over once we scored the goal. Certainly not losing the run of ourselves as most people are aware that there is a big difference in beating division 3 sides but we can only beat what's in front of us and we were comfortable in both games so far. Plus we were playing much better football than during the League, kicking it a lot more and whilst the second half wasn't great we did post a great score in the opening 35 minutes in those conditions. Turbitt has delivered on all the promise we thought he had and he can help take some of the focus off Rian O'Neill.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 23, 2023, 10:11:05 AM
Quote from: balladmaker on April 23, 2023, 09:56:41 AM
Armagh have beaten poor Antrim and Cavan teams so far, with no disrespect to either counties, neither of them would be considered statement wins for Armagh.
Second half last night when Cavan pushed up on our kick out, we couldn't win a ball. A more ruthless team would have turned us over in those circumstances. So a lot still to be worked on before semi next week. No Armagh supporters should be losing the run of ourselves, yes we can be excited by possibility of a final appearance, but there's another difficult game to be navigated next week.
Yeah we needed to vary that kick out, lumping it just wasn't working.
I get why they limped it as being at the game the weather was atrocious , I walked across the pitch and indeed it was very sandy and soggy so why take the chance with a short kick out and lose it close to goal.
My complaint is the constant attempts at flicking it on, it worked once and once only.
Quote from: balladmaker on April 23, 2023, 09:56:41 AM
Armagh have beaten poor Antrim and Cavan teams so far, with no disrespect to either counties, neither of them would be considered statement wins for Armagh.
Second half last night when Cavan pushed up on our kick out, we couldn't win a ball. A more ruthless team would have turned us over in those circumstances. So a lot still to be worked on before semi next week. No Armagh supporters should be losing the run of ourselves, yes we can be excited by possibility of a final appearance, but there's another difficult game to be navigated next week.
Geezer is probably aiming for the team to peak for the round Robin, if not the Ulster final.
Quote from: seafoid on April 23, 2023, 11:33:23 AM
Quote from: balladmaker on April 23, 2023, 09:56:41 AM
Armagh have beaten poor Antrim and Cavan teams so far, with no disrespect to either counties, neither of them would be considered statement wins for Armagh.
Second half last night when Cavan pushed up on our kick out, we couldn't win a ball. A more ruthless team would have turned us over in those circumstances. So a lot still to be worked on before semi next week. No Armagh supporters should be losing the run of ourselves, yes we can be excited by possibility of a final appearance, but there's another difficult game to be navigated next week.
Geezer is probably aiming for the team to peak for the round Robin, if not the Ulster final.
See I think that's ridiculous and I don't believe it's true. Who are Armagh to turn their noses up at an Ulster title. They've won nothing since 2008, I've no doubt the plan is to win ulster and after that is bonus territory.
Quote from: Itchy on April 23, 2023, 11:42:00 AM
Quote from: seafoid on April 23, 2023, 11:33:23 AM
Quote from: balladmaker on April 23, 2023, 09:56:41 AM
Armagh have beaten poor Antrim and Cavan teams so far, with no disrespect to either counties, neither of them would be considered statement wins for Armagh.
Second half last night when Cavan pushed up on our kick out, we couldn't win a ball. A more ruthless team would have turned us over in those circumstances. So a lot still to be worked on before semi next week. No Armagh supporters should be losing the run of ourselves, yes we can be excited by possibility of a final appearance, but there's another difficult game to be navigated next week.
Geezer is probably aiming for the team to peak for the round Robin, if not the Ulster final.
See I think that's ridiculous and I don't believe it's true. Who are Armagh to turn their noses up at an Ulster title. They've won nothing since 2008, I've no doubt the plan is to win ulster and after that is bonus territory.
Ciaran McKeever has mentioned it twice. If he is pushing the narrative that ulsrer doesn't matter he needs to be got rid of from the coaching team ASAP
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 23, 2023, 11:52:09 AM
Quote from: Itchy on April 23, 2023, 11:42:00 AM
Quote from: seafoid on April 23, 2023, 11:33:23 AM
Quote from: balladmaker on April 23, 2023, 09:56:41 AM
Armagh have beaten poor Antrim and Cavan teams so far, with no disrespect to either counties, neither of them would be considered statement wins for Armagh.
Second half last night when Cavan pushed up on our kick out, we couldn't win a ball. A more ruthless team would have turned us over in those circumstances. So a lot still to be worked on before semi next week. No Armagh supporters should be losing the run of ourselves, yes we can be excited by possibility of a final appearance, but there's another difficult game to be navigated next week.
Geezer is probably aiming for the team to peak for the round Robin, if not the Ulster final.
See I think that's ridiculous and I don't believe it's true. Who are Armagh to turn their noses up at an Ulster title. They've won nothing since 2008, I've no doubt the plan is to win ulster and after that is bonus territory.
Ciaran McKeever has mentioned it twice. If he is pushing the narrative that ulsrer doesn't matter he needs to be got rid of from the coaching team ASAP
Maybe his version of mind games. I saw Armagh lads doing a lot of fist pumping and back slapping after the game yesterday, it really mattered to the players to win that game
Quote from: Itchy on April 23, 2023, 11:53:40 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 23, 2023, 11:52:09 AM
Quote from: Itchy on April 23, 2023, 11:42:00 AM
Quote from: seafoid on April 23, 2023, 11:33:23 AM
Quote from: balladmaker on April 23, 2023, 09:56:41 AM
Armagh have beaten poor Antrim and Cavan teams so far, with no disrespect to either counties, neither of them would be considered statement wins for Armagh.
Second half last night when Cavan pushed up on our kick out, we couldn't win a ball. A more ruthless team would have turned us over in those circumstances. So a lot still to be worked on before semi next week. No Armagh supporters should be losing the run of ourselves, yes we can be excited by possibility of a final appearance, but there's another difficult game to be navigated next week.
Geezer is probably aiming for the team to peak for the round Robin, if not the Ulster final.
See I think that's ridiculous and I don't believe it's true. Who are Armagh to turn their noses up at an Ulster title. They've won nothing since 2008, I've no doubt the plan is to win ulster and after that is bonus territory.
Ciaran McKeever has mentioned it twice. If he is pushing the narrative that ulsrer doesn't matter he needs to be got rid of from the coaching team ASAP
Maybe his version of mind games. I saw Armagh lads doing a lot of fist pumping and back slapping after the game yesterday, it really mattered to the players to win that game
Possibly winning 2 ulster games in a row for the first time in 15 years had something to do with that.
Quote from: Itchy on April 23, 2023, 11:53:40 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 23, 2023, 11:52:09 AM
Quote from: Itchy on April 23, 2023, 11:42:00 AM
Quote from: seafoid on April 23, 2023, 11:33:23 AM
Quote from: balladmaker on April 23, 2023, 09:56:41 AM
Armagh have beaten poor Antrim and Cavan teams so far, with no disrespect to either counties, neither of them would be considered statement wins for Armagh.
Second half last night when Cavan pushed up on our kick out, we couldn't win a ball. A more ruthless team would have turned us over in those circumstances. So a lot still to be worked on before semi next week. No Armagh supporters should be losing the run of ourselves, yes we can be excited by possibility of a final appearance, but there's another difficult game to be navigated next week.
Geezer is probably aiming for the team to peak for the round Robin, if not the Ulster final.
See I think that's ridiculous and I don't believe it's true. Who are Armagh to turn their noses up at an Ulster title. They've won nothing since 2008, I've no doubt the plan is to win ulster and after that is bonus territory.
Ciaran McKeever has mentioned it twice. If he is pushing the narrative that ulsrer doesn't matter he needs to be got rid of from the coaching team ASAP
Maybe his version of mind games. I saw Armagh lads doing a lot of fist pumping and back slapping after the game yesterday, it really mattered to the players to win that game
Could well be mine games. I didn't make the game yesterday as I was in Manchester so glad to hear about that.
Re the square ball. He was def in the square when he palmed it in. Haven't seen anything to determine one way or the other I'd he was there before the ball was played tho
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 23, 2023, 11:52:09 AM
Quote from: Itchy on April 23, 2023, 11:42:00 AM
Quote from: seafoid on April 23, 2023, 11:33:23 AM
Quote from: balladmaker on April 23, 2023, 09:56:41 AM
Armagh have beaten poor Antrim and Cavan teams so far, with no disrespect to either counties, neither of them would be considered statement wins for Armagh.
Second half last night when Cavan pushed up on our kick out, we couldn't win a ball. A more ruthless team would have turned us over in those circumstances. So a lot still to be worked on before semi next week. No Armagh supporters should be losing the run of ourselves, yes we can be excited by possibility of a final appearance, but there's another difficult game to be navigated next week.
Geezer is probably aiming for the team to peak for the round Robin, if not the Ulster final.
See I think that's ridiculous and I don't believe it's true. Who are Armagh to turn their noses up at an Ulster title. They've won nothing since 2008, I've no doubt the plan is to win ulster and after that is bonus territory.
Ciaran McKeever has mentioned it twice. If he is pushing the narrative that ulsrer doesn't matter he needs to be got rid of from the coaching team ASAP
In hindsight I'd say those comments were just to take the pressure off the team. An Ulster title should the priority, if we win that then we can head into the AI series with the shackles off and anything is possible. I don't expect us to win an AI title but we have the forwards to at least do some serious damage and aim at a semi final place.
Reality is all on offer for all the Ulster teams is a, Ulster Championship, none of them are good enough to come anywhere near winning a all-Ireland.
Quote from: naka on April 23, 2023, 11:15:23 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 23, 2023, 10:11:05 AM
Quote from: balladmaker on April 23, 2023, 09:56:41 AM
Armagh have beaten poor Antrim and Cavan teams so far, with no disrespect to either counties, neither of them would be considered statement wins for Armagh.
Second half last night when Cavan pushed up on our kick out, we couldn't win a ball. A more ruthless team would have turned us over in those circumstances. So a lot still to be worked on before semi next week. No Armagh supporters should be losing the run of ourselves, yes we can be excited by possibility of a final appearance, but there's another difficult game to be navigated next week.
Yeah we needed to vary that kick out, lumping it just wasn't working.
I get why they limped it as being at the game the weather was atrocious , I walked across the pitch and indeed it was very sandy and soggy so why take the chance with a short kick out and lose it close to goal.
My complaint is the constant attempts at flicking it on, it worked once and once only.
Don't mind that flicking it on as an option the odd time as if it does work you're through and should have a scoring chance. No point doing it all the time though!
The Cavan wides on Saturday. Poor shot selection on the majority of them. Journalist Cahair O'Kane image.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fud1nFGWAAA_U9C?format=jpg&name=small)
I would disagree with the way he is presenting data. You would think no team ever scores from outside the "scoring zone". Armagh had 15 men inside the scoring zone protecting a lead. If Cavan didnt shoot we'd have a journalist presenting data of how few shots were taken.
The issue is Cavan should have had a much higher return on those shots and I considered at least half of them scorable to a half decent forward. Now it would have been a travesty if Cavan had come back to win but they did have the chances to.
Quote from: Itchy on April 24, 2023, 02:41:41 PM
I would disagree with the way he is presenting data. You would think no team ever scores from outside the "scoring zone". Armagh had 15 men inside the scoring zone protecting a lead. If Cavan didnt shoot we'd have a journalist presenting data of how few shots were taken.
The issue is Cavan should have had a much higher return on those shots and I considered at least half of them scorable to a half decent forward. Now it would have been a travesty if Cavan had come back to win but they did have the chances to.
Cavan did have the slight wind in the second half if i remember rightly. Some of those are from daft range/angle but you'd expect them to score most or all of the central ones from not too far outside the D and even some of the further out ones too.
Armagh did pretty well in keeping Cavan out of the scoring zone. If only Armagh had made something from the kickouts after these wides then we would have had a good win.
Quote from: Itchy on April 24, 2023, 02:41:41 PM
I would disagree with the way he is presenting data. You would think no team ever scores from outside the "scoring zone". Armagh had 15 men inside the scoring zone protecting a lead. If Cavan didnt shoot we'd have a journalist presenting data of how few shots were taken.
The issue is Cavan should have had a much higher return on those shots and I considered at least half of them scorable to a half decent forward. Now it would have been a travesty if Cavan had come back to win but they did have the chances to.
The area most of those shots was taken from would be low percentage scores, Dublin under Gavin for example would never have taken them on. What's Cavan's plan now? to simply go one better in Tailteann cup and be involved in the Sam Maguire group stage next year? are many of players planning taking time out with a bit of travelling? Thomas Galligan already a big loss.