1 - Duffy
2 - McGuigan
3 - Doherty
4 - McGinley
5 - McConaghey
6 - Grant
7 - Bell
8 - Quinn
9 - Clerkin
10 - Loughrey
11 - Kernan
12 - McGovern
13 - Wilkinson
14 - Downey
15 - McConville
I think this thread is over the top.
Irrespective what you think of any player, just consider the time and effort put in over the last 6 months by these guys.
No player goes out in the ulster championship to play bad and therefore to specifically name tham in a weak 15 selection is uncalled for.
Uladh, have you played in the ulster championship ? ( just wondering, due to the fact of being such an officiado with the knowledge to degrade players into said weak 15? )
Yeah, think this thread is tough. All these boys got to get up on Monday mornings and go to work.
Well done bensars... you win the prize for being the biggest "holier than thou" poster today.
It's for discussion on a discussion on a discussion board... There won't be an awards night or anything.
Players degrade themselves every week and various levels... they don't need any help from us.
get over yourself.
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Jaysus if every player was so worried about the opinions of those in the stands, paul casey would've quit years ago
Bensars, if it's got to the stage when you can't criticise players who aren't good enough, really then it's time to close the board and rename it FavouriteIrishSaintsBoard.com.
Analysis has to work both ways and in response to the old chestnut of amateurs working for nothing, well there's thousands of us paying in every week, and that entitles us to opinions.
Remember Colm O'Rourke and Brian Dooher - also Pat Spillane and Francie Bellew and Pat's granny - sometimes these negative comments have a tendency to come back and bite you at some stage - so if you want to gee somebody up, put them into it or indeed the whole team.
But overall I tend to think that we shouldn't be that critical of players who are busting themselves week in week out.
Surely Paddy McKeever has been consistent enough to force his way onto this team?
Jackie Lynch should be captain
Quote from: thewobbler on June 12, 2007, 02:52:28 PM
Bensars, if it's got to the stage when you can't criticise players who aren't good enough, really then it's time to close the board and rename it FavouriteIrishSaintsBoard.com.
Analysis has to work both ways and in response to the old chestnut of amateurs working for nothing, well there's thousands of us paying in every week, and that entitles us to opinions.
Firstly, i didnt state you werent entitled to your opinion. I said i think it was over the top. ( Still do)
You guys fire away ! Criticise away to your hearts content !
The hypocritical thing about it, is that you will be probably roaring some of them on the next day they play.
No Uladh really has no time for the Kernan family.
No Cavan men Uladh? ???
a week or two ago you were lamenting about how terrible this Cavan team was,yet you havent named one player on your weakest starting team.
You're just peeved that your argument that ronan murtagh was a good intercounty defender is proved a laughing stock.
In Fairness Uladh
I thought Murtagh was outstanding in the drawn game against us and good after a poor start in the replay.
He wasnt good on Sunday though.So i now would have my doubts with him as an intercounty back,I have no problem saying i may have been wrong. ;)
a switch to wing forward with Paul Murphy dropping to half back and Jack Lynch or McCrickard at MF for the qualifers looks likely for Down.
the only medals uladh had is the miraculous one round his neck he got for christmas! :D :D :D :D
A bit rough on Downey but I couldn't argue with any of the rest.
Quote from: Uladh on June 12, 2007, 02:34:29 PM
5 - McConaghey
15 - McConville
Are you f**king kidding me? Seanie Johnson and Gerard Pierson are better footballers than Ulster's record scorer!!
This is a joke
Have to agree with Bensars and a few of the other guys, this type of criticism really is not warranted.
All county players dedicate their lives to lining out for their county. If they are quality enough players to be picked for the county squad then all they can do is put in the effort and try and make the first 15.
Perhaps a fairer discussion would be who has the weakest squad as ultimately this is indicative of the strength of players within the clubs of that county.
Also, why must contributors to this discussion board limit threads like these to just Ulster, i would argue that they have very little knowledge of GAA, have never played a high level and formulate their views based solely on the writings of messers Heaney, Crossan etc every morning.
No Donegal men either (unless McConaghey is supposed to be McConagley, in which case Uladh need's to get a grip!)
I think this thread is a joke.
I know a couple of county panelists - the effort they put in is something shocking and as much as someone says reading things on websites such as this wouldn't hurt I would say it certanly does.
What sort of GAA fan are you Uladh who would go out of their way to almost personally criticise a fella who trains their arse off all year?
Its a pretty scummy thread.
I don't give a sh1t whether I'm put in the whiter than white bracket...its just isn't right.
So basically you're arguing that all county players are of the same standard? no players are better than any others? there actually isn't a weakest XV?
RE Criticising fellas who "train their arse off" - my club team has four lads who will never ever kick a ball even at b level. they are the best trainers in the club by a mile. they are and always will be useless, god love them.
RE Oisin, you will note that its the weakest team at the minute, not of the last ten years when McConville was obviously a superb footballer.
RE Murtagh, where you were acclaiming him as the second coming in a down jersey i was merely laughing at you. while he is a bad defender, he is not a bad footballer. i wouldn't expect you to differentiate, nor ross carr either.
RE The Ulster side, as i pointed out, i wouldn't have enough first hand experience of players in all of the counties in other provinces.
RE McConagley (sp), Donegal wing back - however you spell it. was completley unimpressed with him against armagh given that he was completely free and unburdened of having to mark a man and still did nothing.
Agree with Bensars, constructive critizism is one thing,but this type of negative sniping is dispicable
Quote from: Uladh on June 12, 2007, 10:33:15 PM
RE McConagley (sp), Donegal wing back - however you spell it. was completley unimpressed with him against armagh given that he was completely free and unburdened of having to mark a man and still did nothing.
Well, that's it decided then, isn't it? :D
I thought he did all right in the Armagh game. I certainly wouldn't have picked him out as one of the poorer performers on the day. He also had a superb league, and is keeping Eamon McGee, a damn good player himself, out of the team.
Where is Coulter ?
So Coulter, an experienced inter county and Ireland player should be on this team? Saunter on bcarrier
Duffys kickouts were clearing the opositions 45 on sunday and hes an exceptional one on one shot stoper. Although he could of done better for down's goal.
Quote from: Uladh on June 12, 2007, 10:33:15 PM
RE Oisin, you will note that its the weakest team at the minute, not of the last ten years when McConville was obviously a superb footballer.
He scored a goal and 2 points against Donegal, that not good enough? Benny Coulter didn't score in his last two outings.
Quote from: Billys Boots on June 13, 2007, 11:48:49 AM
Come on Uladh, you know more than enough about the game to be confining yourself to the morass that is Ulster football. :P
Quote from: Uladh on June 13, 2007, 12:53:42 PM
Messed up with patsy Bradley if thats the case.
O'Rourke's in there.
Unless you've seen them in the flesh its unfair to make an assessment bb. eg. there might be some corner back from leitrim who is better or worse than Longford's finest/worst, but how could i know?
:D :D :D :D :D :D
So Uladh, by your very own definition of being able to make a fair assessment, you have to see them in the flesh !!!!!
How many Ulster championship games have you been to this year ? ::) ::) ::)
In the defence you can include McCartan, Rooney, McGuigan, Murtagh, Grant, and Clarke, the wacky racers of Ulster football.
Guys from i have read of Uladh's post, he sees himself as the orcale of ulster football. His insight is beyound most men's understandingl. I have no doubt he has medals coming out his ears both as a player and manager of the highest standing. if he deems his thread necessary then it is necessary he is gaelic football
Uladh... You are a c*ck for starting this thread... You must have fcuk all to do with your time
So to all those asking Uladh where his medlas are? Do you need to be a super footballer to be a good analyist?
Every single thread on here has people saying this and that player aren't worth their place on whatever team!
That's what the board is all about, though listing the worst is a little crude, especially as a few players and family probably roam the board.
It's also harsh to slate Uladh for starting it, and for saying he has little do do with his time!!!
Christ what are we all doing here only passing time at work for the most part talking about the sport we love!!
It also shows the genreal GAA attitude that to succeed in other sectors of the GAA such as analysing or management you have to have been a superstar. I hate that.
I was a shite footballer but I would like to think I would get the same respect in different areas regardless of my footballing career. Hate to revert to soccer but didn't Mourinhio only work as a translator.
I totally agree you dont have to have been a great player to be a great manager. but you would have been involved at a high level in football to fully understand and be a good analsyt. Thats is why i said medals won as a manager?? what has he done? I know loads of people rate themselves has great managers and tactitions, without ever been inside a dressroom. Mourinhio was a translator at one of the biggest clubs in the world i would say he picked up a fair bit and his da was also a proffessional footballer, which is bound to have helped.
Lads,
the title of the thread is the weakest XV. nobody's saying they should be drowned or anything, but its a fact of life that some players are better than others. those lads are all still intercounty players. If you can't accept that or wish to hide from it then merely skip the thread.
This is a discussion board ffs.
Bensars
I'm fairly confident there isn't a single player who has started in the Ulster championship that i hadn't seen in the flesh before the championship began this year.
Have you seen the below players before?
Kevin O'Boyle.
Sean McVeigh.
James Loughrey.
Wilkinson of Derry.
Quote from: Uladh on June 14, 2007, 11:14:40 AM
Lads,
the title of the thread is the weakest XV. nobody's saying they should be drowned or anything, but its a fact of life that some players are better than others. those lads are all still intercounty players. If you can't accept that or wish to hide from it then merely skip the thread.
This is a discussion board ffs.
Bensars
I'm fairly confident there isn't a single player who has started in the Ulster championship that i hadn't seen in the flesh before the championship began this year.
Granted. I therefore assume you havent been to the ulster championship games ( Bar one maybe) to see these players " in the flesh". Would it be also true to say that your basing your analysis on opinions previously formed when you have seen these players in the flesh, and therefore it taints your view of their current form ??
Quote from: The Real SlimShady on June 14, 2007, 11:16:40 AM
Have you seen the below players before?
Kevin O'Boyle.
Sean McVeigh.
James Loughrey.
Wilkinson of Derry.
I'll be interested in what games he has seen the above players 'in the flesh' also.
Holy f**k, this thread has been hijacked not only by the 'holier than thou' brigade, but by the thought police, the pedants, and the hypocrites as well. The time-honoured GAABoard tradition of reacting to a personal attack by condemning personal attacks, while launching an even more personal attack, is in full flow.
That's a fair achievement by Uladh.
It's also interesting that his choices have been met with little disagreement so far, and even fewer convincing arguments.
From my perspective, the choice of goalkeeper is all wrong. Pascal McConnell is a dreadful keeper altogether, whose only saving grace is long kick-outs, but even in that regard, Duffy trumps him.
coming from a failed division 2 player :D
I'll go back to my original point slim, I'm one of thousands who pay money to watch these players. By f**k, that entitles me to an opinion.
By the way, I'd welcome you to meet a nasty accident. I really would. The world would be a nicer place for it.
bitter little men like you and Uladh have no place in the game, bitter because of your own lack of talent and therefore slating the boys that do have talent and calling them 'weak'... if either of you were only half as weak eh? :D
stick to putting your little post match reports in the Beano son, let your steam out there. Its a sad way to go through life being a begrudger- you're destined to be one of those 'over critical supporters' in 20 years time as discussed on another thread and spending your final years of your pitiful life lamenting about how crap the youth of today are. Lets hope you dont last that long eh.
I know most people on this board don't educate themselves in a football sense beyond the narrow confines of their own county and even their own parish in some circumstances, but there is some great football out there if you want to go and look for it.
Derry have the best championship in ulster by a stretch and there's hardly a player derry could bring onto the panel i wouldn't have seen. Wilkinson is no exception. Playing in the ulster club championship will give you a bigger profile than most.
The intervarsity competitions are an absolute must for anyone who has any interest in whats coming through in ulster. the poly, queens and st mary's nurture a lot of the best talent in the province. Loughrey had a decent league with QUB but featured only briefly in extra time in the sigerson final. Haven't seen as much of McVeigh as he hasn't featured a whole pile. i was distinctly unimpressed with him against down in the mckenna cup this year in downpatrick.
The only time i've noticed O'Boyle before This years championship was in the ulster club in november, when his keeper let in three goals.
Almost every player plays County u21 football before the make the senior team and personally i see as many ulster u21 games as i can every year.
As for being there in person, this year i've been to Ballyboffey and the marshes for championship games.
going to watch football doesnt make you the expert you so clearly believe you are. it's like the player that trains harder than any other but just cant get any better. from reading your posts you are not the tactical genuis you think you are, of course this is just my opinion.
Quote from: Black and white on June 14, 2007, 05:42:35 PM
going to watch football doesnt make you the expert you so clearly believe you are.
It is you who says it
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I have rarely seen tactics discussed on this board.Quote me a tactical comment which i've made that you disagree with.
Quote from: Black and white on June 14, 2007, 10:14:23 AM
but you would have been involved at a high level in football to fully understand and be a good analsyt.
Utter f**king bollix. I'd value some contributors on here a lot more highly than I would some of the clowns who contibrute to the media. Kevin Madden? Diarmud Marsden? Bernard Flynn? A few of the top of my head who are just plain awful. There are some shocking contibutors on here as well though.
and the point of this thread is??????????????????????????????
Totally agree Benny but it is a mindset. Has there ever been a non ex County Player on the Sunday Game?
Black and White to be fair Uladh was listing the games he was at to back up his slection, I do not think he was trying to preach almighty that he is the GAA master.
Quote from: Uladh on June 14, 2007, 05:14:19 PM
I know most people on this board don't educate themselves in a football sense beyond the narrow confines of their own county and even their own parish in some circumstances, but there is some great football out there if you want to go and look for it.
Derry have the best championship in ulster by a stretch and there's hardly a player derry could bring onto the panel i wouldn't have seen. Wilkinson is no exception. Playing in the ulster club championship will give you a bigger profile than most.
The intervarsity competitions are an absolute must for anyone who has any interest in whats coming through in ulster. the poly, queens and st mary's nurture a lot of the best talent in the province. Loughrey had a decent league with QUB but featured only briefly in extra time in the sigerson final. Haven't seen as much of McVeigh as he hasn't featured a whole pile. i was distinctly unimpressed with him against down in the mckenna cup this year in downpatrick.
The only time i've noticed O'Boyle before This years championship was in the ulster club in november, when his keeper let in three goals.
Almost every player plays County u21 football before the make the senior team and personally i see as many ulster u21 games as i can every year.
As for being there in person, this year i've been to Ballyboffey and the marshes for championship games.
funny you never said you were there until now :D therefore I'm made to think you are a liar, as well as an arsehole!
and yes, his keeper did let in 3 goals that day- he's brutal.
I think you would have to include Aodhan Gallagher of Antrim in any "Weakest Starting XV" discussion, fit as a fiddle, but alas has two left feet.......
he always plays well against us though!
Quote from: The Real SlimShady on June 15, 2007, 08:55:07 AM
he always plays well against us though!
He is probably a good club footballer, but any time i have seen him play for Antrim he has been rubbish. His fitness and workrate probably stands out at club level, but everyone has that at inter county level.
One of the main points I disagree with on this thread (and do generally) is the point that went along the lines of:
"I pay good money to see these players play, by fcuk I can criticise them if I want" or something along those lines.
Personally I think that sentiment is absolute bullsh1t.
If they are premiership players who train every day and DON'T WORK as opposed to train every day and go to work, whose wages are paid for by you buying a replica shirts etc, who all live in the lap of luxury then fair enough but don't come on here and say that by paying €12-18 once a week with some petrol thrown in (maybe a bit more at the money end of the season) it gives you the right to personally criticise on a forum like this players for being on the worst starting 15 in Ulster at this minute. Criticise performances ok.
The players get nothing out of training their asses off for 6-8months, they sacrifice time with their families/friends, study commitments, work commitments...and then (when you're Antrim) they get beat in the first round and are sent to the Tommy Murphy cup which is widely regarded as dung and can come on here and read this.
On the day you can shout and roar at them, you can criticise their mistakes, you can hold you head in your hands at them, you can criticise tactics but to come on here and do what you have done on here in my opinion is just wrong and arguably against a fair few values that are good within the GAA.
Uladh
You asked me to point out where you discuss tactics, I couldnt be bothered go back through all your posts but a recent one,
I'd expect Wexford to dominate around the middle third unless Louth can hugely improve on their break ball numbers. Wexford have some very big men and with a smallish mobile midfield, Louth's best bet is breaking and winning the scraps. Wexford have been badly burned in the past when their defenders have had to cope one on one in the open spaces of croker and early ball inside could bear fruit for Louth.
My reading of Forde has always been that he struggles to win ball against tenacious markers who possess real speed as, although not slow, he doesn't have rolls royce pace himself. if he can be starved of possession or even dispossessed once or twice it won't be long til he strikes out in frustration.
Is this not about tactics?
just admit it you do feel you understand football more than the common man, your tone is preachy all of the time.
Slim - as has been said to you many times by many people (how long do you think it'll take for the penny to drop?) there is only one arsehole on this thread....
i have cousins who play for clontibret and one of them happened to be marking o'boyle that day...
Aodhan galagher can be a very effective player when used in the right way.
b&W, surely that is not "tactics" in your eyes? and anyway, who said they were never discussed?
also... i noticed you didn't disagree with anything i said?
oh, theres more than one arsehole on this thread, yourself and Wobbler see to that. You have cousins who play for Clontibret, yeah- course you were at it!
I suppose you were one of the hoardes spitting on players as they came off the park- that would be your style by the looks of things!