A really dangerous act occured on Saturday evening.
Will a retrospective ban be applied or is it only certain players this is for?
https://youtu.be/mKBtelSQ0JI (https://youtu.be/mKBtelSQ0JI)
Knee drops are cowardly and can cause serious damage, the GAA will stick their heads in the sand.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 26, 2017, 09:58:00 AM
https://youtu.be/mKBtelSQ0JI (https://youtu.be/mKBtelSQ0JI)
Knee drops are cowardly and can cause serious damage, the GAA will stick their heads in the sand.
You can't show that Dinny, you're destroying St. Diarmuid's good name.
Struggling to think of a worse act on a gaa field.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 26, 2017, 09:58:00 AM
https://youtu.be/mKBtelSQ0JI (https://youtu.be/mKBtelSQ0JI)
Knee drops are cowardly and can cause serious damage, the GAA will stick their heads in the sand.
Unlike DC where they nailed him after the event.
It is really getting to the point whereby TSG decide who is banned or what is serious
Happening more and more. But Brolly seemed to think its was ok for Down to do it. He's a two faced gobshite.
Hopefully the GAA take a stance on this. It's not very nice to see it.
Quote from: Taylor on June 26, 2017, 10:05:36 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 26, 2017, 09:58:00 AM
https://youtu.be/mKBtelSQ0JI (https://youtu.be/mKBtelSQ0JI)
Knee drops are cowardly and can cause serious damage, the GAA will stick their heads in the sand.
Unlike DC where they nailed him after the event.
It is really getting to the point whereby TSG decide who is banned or what is serious
They never sanctioned DC for his knee drop.
Build a bridge - move on.
Knee drops are cowardly and dangerous. And yes, I would favour a retrospective ban for a knee drop.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 26, 2017, 09:58:00 AM
https://youtu.be/mKBtelSQ0JI (https://youtu.be/mKBtelSQ0JI)
Knee drops are cowardly and can cause serious damage, the GAA will stick their heads in the sand.
What a filthy scumbucket! Should have got 2 years ban for that.
Quote from: mup on June 26, 2017, 10:06:47 AM
Quote from: Taylor on June 26, 2017, 10:05:36 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 26, 2017, 09:58:00 AM
https://youtu.be/mKBtelSQ0JI (https://youtu.be/mKBtelSQ0JI)
Knee drops are cowardly and can cause serious damage, the GAA will stick their heads in the sand.
Unlike DC where they nailed him after the event.
It is really getting to the point whereby TSG decide who is banned or what is serious
They never sanctioned DC for his knee drop.
Build a bridge - move on.
Will Saturday night be ignored because TSG didnt say there should be a ban?
Quote from: BennyCake on June 26, 2017, 10:13:12 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 26, 2017, 09:58:00 AM
https://youtu.be/mKBtelSQ0JI (https://youtu.be/mKBtelSQ0JI)
Knee drops are cowardly and can cause serious damage, the GAA will stick their heads in the sand.
What a filthy scumbucket! Should have got 2 years ban for that.
2 years? Should have been a life ban. A deliberate knee to the back of the head, which is the most vulnerable part of the head, could have caused the most serious of consequences. A spineless, scurrilous act. It's an awful pity Kinsella gave Connolly a yellow as it meant it couldn't be revisited.
Quote from: Taylor on June 26, 2017, 10:13:28 AM
Quote from: mup on June 26, 2017, 10:06:47 AM
Quote from: Taylor on June 26, 2017, 10:05:36 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 26, 2017, 09:58:00 AM
https://youtu.be/mKBtelSQ0JI (https://youtu.be/mKBtelSQ0JI)
Knee drops are cowardly and can cause serious damage, the GAA will stick their heads in the sand.
Unlike DC where they nailed him after the event.
It is really getting to the point whereby TSG decide who is banned or what is serious
They never sanctioned DC for his knee drop.
Build a bridge - move on.
Will Saturday night be ignored because TSG didnt say there should be a ban?
Looks like it'll be a while before that bridge is actually built.
Write a strongly worded letter to TSG asking them why it was ignored.
Were you listening to the qualifier draw this morning?
They interviewed the man from CCCC to get his thoughts on Jim Gavin's claim that the CCCC are biased by what The Sunday Game picks up on.
The CCCC man said that "he totally refuted that, and that TSG has no bearing on what incidents the CCCC look at on the Monday".
So that's that cleared up then :D
I laughed when he said that. It's fairly obvious that the Sunday Game has a completely unmerited place in the GAA disciplinary process. I just posted about the NFL commissioner being guided by public opinion, and I'd say a lot of the GAA high profile hearings are influenced by the soapbox the 3 stooges have.
That's the only thing that I feel sorry for Connolly about. He deserves his ban, he can't push a linesman, but if it was done in a National League division 3 or 4 game, it would never have seen the light of day in the circumstances. (Of course if the ref sent him off in a Div 3 game, he would get the proper suspension).
Quote from: Smokin Joe on June 26, 2017, 10:28:24 AM
Were you listening to the qualifier draw this morning?
They interviewed the man from CCCC to get his thoughts on Jim Gavin's claim that the CCCC are biased by what The Sunday Game picks up on.
The CCCC man said that "he totally refuted that, and that TSG has no bearing on what incidents the CCCC look at on the Monday".
So that's that cleared up then :D
Didnt hear it Smokin.
Well sure if the CCCCCCCCCC said that it must be true ;D
I expect there will be a ban coming for the incident on Saturday night then?
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on June 26, 2017, 10:24:12 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 26, 2017, 10:13:12 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 26, 2017, 09:58:00 AM
https://youtu.be/mKBtelSQ0JI (https://youtu.be/mKBtelSQ0JI)
Knee drops are cowardly and can cause serious damage, the GAA will stick their heads in the sand.
What a filthy scumbucket! Should have got 2 years ban for that.
2 years? Should have been a life ban. A deliberate knee to the back of the head, which is the most vulnerable part of the head, could have caused the most serious of consequences. A spineless, scurrilous act. It's an awful pity Kinsella gave Connolly a yellow as it meant it couldn't be revisited.
In an incident like that though, surely the yellow card was for the 'afters'?
If the referee had seen the original incident its a red card all day long by anyone's interpretation.
Quote from: Taylor on June 26, 2017, 10:33:08 AM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on June 26, 2017, 10:28:24 AM
Were you listening to the qualifier draw this morning?
They interviewed the man from CCCC to get his thoughts on Jim Gavin's claim that the CCCC are biased by what The Sunday Game picks up on.
The CCCC man said that "he totally refuted that, and that TSG has no bearing on what incidents the CCCC look at on the Monday".
So that's that cleared up then :D
Didnt hear it Smokin.
Well sure if the CCCCCCCCCC said that it must be true ;D
I expect there will be a ban coming for the incident on Saturday night then?
I expect not. There has been a precedent set as Connolly never received a ban for his. But you knew that already.
Quote from: hardstation on June 26, 2017, 10:33:48 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 26, 2017, 10:31:51 AM
I laughed when he said that. It's fairly obvious that the Sunday Game has a completely unmerited place in the GAA disciplinary process. I just posted about the NFL commissioner being guided by public opinion, and I'd say a lot of the GAA high profile hearings are influenced by the soapbox the 3 stooges have.
That's the only thing that I feel sorry for Connolly about. He deserves his ban, he can't push a linesman, but if it was done in a National League division 3 or 4 game, it would never have seen the light of day in the circumstances. (Of course if the ref sent him off in a Div 3 game, he would get the proper suspension).
An Antrim man got ringed in a NFL Div 3 game.
Sure we know they are out to get Antrim!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FQFCW1QeUcY
Worse one of these that I can remember. It's a dangerous and cowardly act.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 26, 2017, 10:41:27 AM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FQFCW1QeUcY
Worse one of these that I can remember. It's a dangerous and cowardly act.
Jaysus those two videos are poor.
When there is a major incident in a live game, of course it is going to be discussed and highlighted by the pundits if they are doing their job right. Are they supposed to take the attitude "Oh we better not say too much on this until the CCCC look at it". Everyone is entitled to give their view and yes Spillane did seem to go OTT over DC's incident but the CCCC were obviously gonna look at it anyway.
I've not seen the incident in the Down match yet. Was it caught on camera on Saturday night?
It will look badly on them if they don't at least look at it.
They need to make public what procedures they have in place to deal with this.
I got the feeling yesterday than Gavin was going to use this as a motivational tool this year for the Dubs.
The siege mentality is often a powerful tool to get players to react to.
Yeah Ricey's one was a disgrace and it was even worse that he managed to get off on a technicality.
That's true Fuzzman. I didn't mean to say that the Pundits wouldn't talk about incidents like that. I'm saying that the CCCC seem to be unduly influenced by what they say..
No issue with TSG mentioning these incidents at all......the issue is the CCCCCCCC seem to go after players in many of the instances only after TSG have brought it up.
TSG didnt highlight this incident or call for retrospective bans - this is the chance for the CCCCC to show TSG have no influence
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 26, 2017, 10:43:35 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 26, 2017, 10:41:27 AM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FQFCW1QeUcY
Worse one of these that I can remember. It's a dangerous and cowardly act.
Jaysus those two videos are poor.
Worst thing about that one is the referee saw it and issued a yellow even Marty was expecting straight red.
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on June 26, 2017, 10:36:14 AM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on June 26, 2017, 10:24:12 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 26, 2017, 10:13:12 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 26, 2017, 09:58:00 AM
https://youtu.be/mKBtelSQ0JI (https://youtu.be/mKBtelSQ0JI)
Knee drops are cowardly and can cause serious damage, the GAA will stick their heads in the sand.
What a filthy scumbucket! Should have got 2 years ban for that.
2 years? Should have been a life ban. A deliberate knee to the back of the head, which is the most vulnerable part of the head, could have caused the most serious of consequences. A spineless, scurrilous act. It's an awful pity Kinsella gave Connolly a yellow as it meant it couldn't be revisited.
In an incident like that though, surely the yellow card was for the 'afters'?
If the referee had seen the original incident its a red card all day long by anyone's interpretation.
Doesn't matter what the yellow was for unfortunately, with the award of a card the referee is adjudged to have dealt with the incident and it can't be revisited.
Why don't they just change that rule that even if the ref does deal with it that the CCCC can still ask him to review it.
Surely we see it lots of times that the ref didn't get a great view of it at the time and if he watched a TV replay he might change his mind on the punishment.
We as fans often do this when we watch an incident we don't think it's too bad but when we see it from a different angle we change our mind such as the Philly McMahon eye gouge on Donaghy a few years ago.
Does anyone know do intercounty referees sit down with a panel after a game and watch the video again?
Would this not be a good way forward before submitting their match report?
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 26, 2017, 11:19:21 AM
Why don't they just change that rule that even if the ref does deal with it that the CCCC can still ask him to review it.
Surely we see it lots of times that the ref didn't get a great view of it at the time and if he watched a TV replay he might change his mind on the punishment.
We as fans often do this when we watch an incident we don't think it's too bad but when we see it from a different angle we change our mind such as the Philly McMahon eye gouge on Donaghy a few years ago.
Does anyone know do intercounty referees sit down with a panel after a game and watch the video again?
Would this not be a good way forward before submitting their match report?
In this case, wouldn't the CCCC have to watch every game to make sure that all incidents were covered?
The logistics of that might be difficult. I know an inter county ref who is an engineer out in Shannon. If he's reffing below in Cork or somewhere, when is he going to have time to meet with this committee and do a full review of the video? And if there's 10 or 12 matches on during the qualifiers timeframe, it would be difficult to go through them all in a timely manner.
The referee can't be expected to see everything, however why couldn't there be an independent review conducted back at HQ and any issues can be handled retrospectively?
Would take a lot of pressure off match day officials to get everything right on the day. Any incidents can be corrected after the fact (e.g.) turn a yellow to a red
Quote from: stephenite on June 26, 2017, 11:26:25 AM
The referee can't be expected to see everything, however why couldn't there be an independent review conducted back at HQ and any issues can be handled retrospectively?
Would take a lot of pressure off match day officials to get everything right on the day. Any incidents can be corrected after the fact (e.g.) turn a yellow to a red
I'd agree with this.
In Brollyland it's ok when Down do it, they are simply anarchist's and create chaos. If Tyrone had committed the same tackles and adopted the same defensive structure it would have been rotten, filthy negative tactic's that have no place in the modern game. I don't have any real issue with what Down done on Saturday evening, it's not that different to what most counties do in the modern game but it's the complete hypocrisy from Brolly.
Quote from: yellowcard on June 26, 2017, 11:27:59 AM
In Brollyland it's ok when Down do it, they are simply anarchist's and create chaos. If Tyrone had committed the same tackles and adopted the same defensive structure it would have been rotten, filthy negative tactic's that have no place in the modern game. I don't have any real issue with what Down done on Saturday evening, it's not that different to what most counties do in the modern game but it's the complete hypocrisy from Brolly.
Dropping the knees into someone on the ground is cowardly and dangerous. It should be a red card and it's scandalous for brolly to praise it.
I've not seen this incident in the Down game. Is it on Youtube or anywhere?
Can anyone describe what happened?
I think most people know that Brolly (and others) see what they want to see at times and Tyrone people are used to it now.
It will be funny if Jim Gavin & Dublin don't do any more RTE interviews as well as Tyrone. It could be an awkward summer for RTE.
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 26, 2017, 11:36:51 AM
I've not seen this incident in the Down game. Is it on Youtube or anywhere?
Can anyone describe what happened?
I think most people know that Brolly (and others) see what they want to see at times and Tyrone people are used to it now.
It will be funny if Jim Gavin & Dublin don't do any more RTE interviews as well as Tyrone. It could be an awkward summer for RTE.
I'd say that's why Spillane was thrown under the bus last night. RTE will want to get the Dubs back on side ASAP.
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 26, 2017, 11:27:40 AM
Quote from: stephenite on June 26, 2017, 11:26:25 AM
The referee can't be expected to see everything, however why couldn't there be an independent review conducted back at HQ and any issues can be handled retrospectively?
Would take a lot of pressure off match day officials to get everything right on the day. Any incidents can be corrected after the fact (e.g.) turn a yellow to a red
I'd agree with this.
We need some sort of 'citing' panel similar to they use in rugby and AFL.
From memory, for the Ricey one, he received a ban (which they appealed) even though the referee gave him a yellow at the time.
Seems to be far to many loop hole and inconsistencies in our disciplinary system.
Quote from: lenny on June 26, 2017, 11:33:25 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 26, 2017, 11:27:59 AM
In Brollyland it's ok when Down do it, they are simply anarchist's and create chaos. If Tyrone had committed the same tackles and adopted the same defensive structure it would have been rotten, filthy negative tactic's that have no place in the modern game. I don't have any real issue with what Down done on Saturday evening, it's not that different to what most counties do in the modern game but it's the complete hypocrisy from Brolly.
Dropping the knees into someone on the ground is cowardly and dangerous. It should be a red card and it's scandalous for brolly to praise it.
I'm simply saying that there is no consistency in the analysis. If indeed there was a knee drop by a Down player, it was skirted over and eulogised as 'anarchy' in an affectionate manner by Brolly. Instead he comes out with happy clappy rubbish about chaos and stating that it doesn't matter if it's illegal. If they had been playing with a different set of jerseys the analysis would have been completeley different.
Quote from: lenny on June 26, 2017, 11:33:25 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 26, 2017, 11:27:59 AM
In Brollyland it's ok when Down do it, they are simply anarchist's and create chaos. If Tyrone had committed the same tackles and adopted the same defensive structure it would have been rotten, filthy negative tactic's that have no place in the modern game. I don't have any real issue with what Down done on Saturday evening, it's not that different to what most counties do in the modern game but it's the complete hypocrisy from Brolly.
Dropping the knees into someone on the ground is cowardly and dangerous. It should be a red card and it's scandalous for brolly to praise it.
exactly.
Like any incident it can be missed by a referee in real time, but the fact that neither of those incidents shown in the clips resulted in a ban that actually stuck shows the issues we have withe disciplinary laws.
Quote from: Taylor on June 26, 2017, 10:52:14 AM
No issue with TSG mentioning these incidents at all......the issue is the CCCCCCCC seem to go after players in many of the instances only after TSG have brought it up.
TSG didnt highlight this incident or call for retrospective bans - this is the chance for the CCCCC to show TSG have no influence
Given that TSG airs live and then has highlights the same evening as most of the games, what opportunity is there for the CCC to do anything BEFORE Spillane and co. have their say?
And if they don't, in the case of the Down-Monaghan game (I haven't seen the incident), do anything, will that be because the ref didn't put it in his report or because RTE didn't make a stink?
And if its the latter, then are we saying that they SHOULD leave these things alone if the ref hasn't raised it?
Or do we expect the CCC to go through EVERY match to see if there was anything missed by the ref?
Quote from: J70 on June 26, 2017, 11:53:46 AM
Quote from: Taylor on June 26, 2017, 10:52:14 AM
No issue with TSG mentioning these incidents at all......the issue is the CCCCCCCC seem to go after players in many of the instances only after TSG have brought it up.
TSG didnt highlight this incident or call for retrospective bans - this is the chance for the CCCCC to show TSG have no influence
Given that TSG airs live and then has highlights the same evening as most of the games, what opportunity is there for the CCC to do anything BEFORE Spillane and co. have their say?
And if they don't, in the case of the Down-Monaghan game (I haven't seen the incident), do anything, will that be because the ref didn't put it in his report or because RTE didn't make a stink?
And if its the latter, then are we saying that they SHOULD leave these things alone if the ref hasn't raised it?
Or do we expect the CCC to go through EVERY match to see if there was anything missed by the ref?
I have no idea as to the answer of this but how many incidents where RTE have kicked up a stick have been ignored? Not many. It seems if TSG deem it serious enough the CCCCCCC will visit/revisit the incident
Quote from: lenny on June 26, 2017, 11:33:25 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 26, 2017, 11:27:59 AM
In Brollyland it's ok when Down do it, they are simply anarchist's and create chaos. If Tyrone had committed the same tackles and adopted the same defensive structure it would have been rotten, filthy negative tactic's that have no place in the modern game. I don't have any real issue with what Down done on Saturday evening, it's not that different to what most counties do in the modern game but it's the complete hypocrisy from Brolly.
Dropping the knees into someone on the ground is cowardly and dangerous. It should be a red card and it's scandalous for brolly to praise it.
Watched the game on TV and that was the only incident where I thought that a Down defender had over stepped the mark in a nasty way and was totally uncalled for. Not sure if Brolly meant to use this clip to display the fact that Down were up for it but it can't be condoned by anyone.
The ref issued O'Hagan a yellow for it, not sure what the rule book says about kneeing someone although I'd have thought a red is more merited for it as its certainly a premeditated thing. Granted it wasn't in and around the head and neck like the two clips shown in this thread. That's a red straight away and a box in the mouth from the next teammate on the scene.
There was another incident where McKernan I think with a chest high tackle with his arms, yellow yes, but Farney lad made a bit of a meal of it unless McKernan is a beast of a man in the gym.
Other than that I thought the Down defence's tackling was pretty good over the game and turned over plenty of ball due to it.
Down not going to be a soft touch anymore. The slow learners are catching up
Quote from: johnneycool on June 26, 2017, 12:21:29 PM
Quote from: lenny on June 26, 2017, 11:33:25 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 26, 2017, 11:27:59 AM
In Brollyland it's ok when Down do it, they are simply anarchist's and create chaos. If Tyrone had committed the same tackles and adopted the same defensive structure it would have been rotten, filthy negative tactic's that have no place in the modern game. I don't have any real issue with what Down done on Saturday evening, it's not that different to what most counties do in the modern game but it's the complete hypocrisy from Brolly.
Dropping the knees into someone on the ground is cowardly and dangerous. It should be a red card and it's scandalous for brolly to praise it.
Watched the game on TV and that was the only incident where I thought that a Down defender had over stepped the mark in a nasty way and was totally uncalled for. Not sure if Brolly meant to use this clip to display the fact that Down were up for it but it can't be condoned by anyone.
The ref issued O'Hagan a yellow for it, not sure what the rule book says about kneeing someone although I'd have thought a red is more merited for it as its certainly a premeditated thing. Granted it wasn't in and around the head and neck like the two clips shown in this thread. That's a red straight away and a box in the mouth from the next teammate on the scene.
There was another incident where McKernan I think with a chest high tackle with his arms, yellow yes, but Farney lad made a bit of a meal of it unless McKernan is a beast of a man in the gym.
Other than that I thought the Down defence's tackling was pretty good over the game and turned over plenty of ball due to it.
Go back and watch the double assault on McManus and corey in the first few minutes. The ref booked the lad for the tackle on McManus but the full back got off with his lunge at Corey. I thought at the time it was a black for blocking him off but looking at it again it could have been red. As the saying goes he was laying down a marker but sometimes you can go too far and thats were you need the ref and linesman to be alert. They weren't.
How the Down man didn't receive a black card for the 3rd man tackle on Corey is mind blowing.
Like J70 said above, some of the criticism of the CCCC is a bit unfair considering there would be a strong possibility that they would have reviewed it anyway. By virtue of being on immediately, or shortly, after the game then it makes the Sunday Game look like the tail wagging the dog.
In amongst the hyperbole in the week after the Connolly incident someone in the podcast media (may have been OTB) quoted a journalist who scrutinised the CCCC. The vast, vast majority of their work was done away from the public spotlight and the vast, vast majority of their decisions were accepted and not challenged. Listening to some commentators you'd swear there was a turnover rate approaching 100% when it came to the CCCC.
This is not me saying they're perfect or near it but there is a strong case for a review of both the rulebook and the disciplinary course after controversial incidents.
Surely someone could be employed to review video footage of all the games over the weekend and with technology put together a short series of clips for the referee to review during the week that may have been missed or misinterpreted by the officials during the game.
The money knee was only resting in that bank account player's back.
As bad as some the actions in the Down game, none were nearly as bad as the assault on John Mac.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 26, 2017, 10:41:27 AM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FQFCW1QeUcY
Worse one of these that I can remember. It's a dangerous and cowardly act.
The other coward in this incident was the referee who issued a yellow card. Topped only by the moral bankruptcy of those who appealed the eventual red card under the guise of complaining the disciplinary committee had over stepped the mark in extending the yellow to a red. At least Connolly was willing to take his punishment.
The extract below refers to the video action above and is taken from Harte by Mickey Harte.
(http://i.imgur.com/MIbUaLg.jpg?1)
So, this deliberate action that could have broken John Mac's neck 'wasn't pretty' according to Mr Harte who also thought that 'Ryan had landed with his knees on McEntee's chest'?
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on June 26, 2017, 01:50:52 PM
As bad as some the actions in the Down game, none were nearly as bad as the assault on John Mac.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 26, 2017, 10:41:27 AM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FQFCW1QeUcY
Worse one of these that I can remember. It's a dangerous and cowardly act.
The other coward in this incident was the referee who issued a yellow card. Topped only by the moral bankruptcy of those who appealed the eventual red card under the guise of complaining the disciplinary committee had over stepped the mark in extending the yellow to a red. At least Connolly was willing to take his punishment.
The extract below refers to the video action above and is taken from Harte by Mickey Harte.
(http://i.imgur.com/MIbUaLg.jpg?1)
So, the assault that could have broken John Mac's neck 'wasn't pretty'?
Nothing like raising the dead bringing this up.
Has there been any word on revisiting the incident from Saturday night yet?
I think its pretty simple. Any dangerous play that has a serious chance of causing life-changing injury should be reviewable at any time in light of new evidence.
End of.
F88k anyone who would dare defend a transgressor behind technicalities over an action which has the realistic potential to put someone in a wheelchair for the rest of their life.
Watched the game on Saturday, there were two separate occasions where Down Players went in with the knee when a Monaghan. One on McManus, should have been a Red in my opinion as it was so blatant, wonder what the linesman was thinking.
Second one was along the opposite touchline about 30-40 meters from Down goal. Think it was Down #4, not positive, think a skirmish broke out after this one.
Poor form and has no place in Gaelic Football. It is downright dangerous.
If I was a referee watching it, I would be very very clued in for a similar tackle next time they play.
if brolly said that its just reason 1001 to ignore the bollix
Knee drops only get highlighted if they're committed by Tyrone. I recall Keith Higgins dropping his knees deliberately onto Cathal McShane's chest in a league game in 2015. It was live on TV but not a word on it after.
The jersey or player wearing the jersey is usually much more of a determining factor than the act committed these days.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 26, 2017, 02:20:52 PM
Knee drops only get highlighted if they're committed by Tyrone. I recall Keith Higgins dropping his knees deliberately onto Cathal McShane's chest in a league game in 2015. It was live on TV but not a word on it after.
The jersey or player wearing the jersey is usually much more of a determining factor than the act committed these days.
I would not go around highlighting that your team got bullied by perennial losers! It kinda embarrassing! :)
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 26, 2017, 02:20:52 PM
Knee drops only get highlighted if they're committed by Tyrone. I recall Keith Higgins dropping his knees deliberately onto Cathal McShane's chest in a league game in 2015. It was live on TV but not a word on it after.
The jersey or player wearing the jersey is usually much more of a determining factor than the act committed these days.
If you had bothered to read the beginning of the thread you would have seen that it was Down players that were highlighted as the offenders in this instance. Not everything has to be about Tyrone, it's just that it is difficult to ignore the games worst offenders in this cowardly form of assault.
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on June 26, 2017, 02:35:01 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 26, 2017, 02:20:52 PM
Knee drops only get highlighted if they're committed by Tyrone. I recall Keith Higgins dropping his knees deliberately onto Cathal McShane's chest in a league game in 2015. It was live on TV but not a word on it after.
The jersey or player wearing the jersey is usually much more of a determining factor than the act committed these days.
If you had bothered to read the beginning of the thread you would have seen that it was Down players that were highlighted as the offenders in this instance. Not everything has to be about Tyrone, it's just that it is difficult to ignore the games worst offenders in this cowardly form of assault.
How many players have got a ban for what is a rather common practice in the game?
Johnny Cooper on John Heslin a couple of years back is another one I remember, nothing about it though.
Witnessed this happen in a div 1 club game in Antrim yesterday in front of the ref.
Ref gave a yellow card when a ref would have been more appropriate.
Quote from: Taylor on June 26, 2017, 01:55:12 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on June 26, 2017, 01:50:52 PM
As bad as some the actions in the Down game, none were nearly as bad as the assault on John Mac.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 26, 2017, 10:41:27 AM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FQFCW1QeUcY
Worse one of these that I can remember. It's a dangerous and cowardly act.
The other coward in this incident was the referee who issued a yellow card. Topped only by the moral bankruptcy of those who appealed the eventual red card under the guise of complaining the disciplinary committee had over stepped the mark in extending the yellow to a red. At least Connolly was willing to take his punishment.
The extract below refers to the video action above and is taken from Harte by Mickey Harte.
(http://i.imgur.com/MIbUaLg.jpg?1)
So, the assault that could have broken John Mac's neck 'wasn't pretty'?
Nothing like raising the dead bringing this up.
Has there been any word on revisiting the incident from Saturday night yet?
The tyrone ones must be rattled when they are bringing up this crap. Game on
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on June 26, 2017, 01:50:52 PM
As bad as some the actions in the Down game, none were nearly as bad as the assault on John Mac.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 26, 2017, 10:41:27 AM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FQFCW1QeUcY
Worse one of these that I can remember. It's a dangerous and cowardly act.
The other coward in this incident was the referee who issued a yellow card. Topped only by the moral bankruptcy of those who appealed the eventual red card under the guise of complaining the disciplinary committee had over stepped the mark in extending the yellow to a red. At least Connolly was willing to take his punishment.
The extract below refers to the video action above and is taken from Harte by Mickey Harte.
(http://i.imgur.com/MIbUaLg.jpg?1)
So, this deliberate action that could have broken John Mac's neck 'wasn't pretty' according to Mr Harte who also thought that 'Ryan had landed with his knees on McEntee's chest'?
Has any other player served a ban for what McMenamin did?
I think we can all say that it's not an uncommon act at all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lF-pillLiY
Let's see if the CCCCCC make their own decisions or wait for TSG to highlight it Bomber.
Unfortunately it's one rule for Tyrone and a different one for others it seems
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 26, 2017, 08:35:19 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lF-pillLiY
Fair dues to Corrigan he did Boyle there. And Boyle got retribution!
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 26, 2017, 09:02:20 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 26, 2017, 08:35:19 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lF-pillLiY
Fair dues to Corrigan he did Boyle there. And Boyle got retribution!
Who was the Mayo poster who was on here a couple of weeks ago wringing his hand like a screaming Mary about Eamonn McGee?
Quote from: Taylor on June 26, 2017, 08:37:28 PM
Let's see if the CCCCCC make their own decisions or wait for TSG to highlight it Bomber.
Unfortunately it's one rule for Tyrone and a different one for others it seems
Wait, is it one rule for Tyrone, and a different one for Connolly, and a different one again for Lee Keegan, and a different one for everyone else? Or is it One rule for Tyrone, Connolly and Keegan and a different one for everyone else?
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 26, 2017, 09:17:04 PM
Quote from: Taylor on June 26, 2017, 08:37:28 PM
Let's see if the CCCCCC make their own decisions or wait for TSG to highlight it Bomber.
Unfortunately it's one rule for Tyrone and a different one for others it seems
Wait, is it one rule for Tyrone, and a different one for Connolly, and a different one again for Lee Keegan, and a different one for everyone else? Or is it One rule for Tyrone, Connolly and Keegan and a different one for everyone else?
Ok, yes. One rule for us and those two
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 26, 2017, 09:17:04 PM
Quote from: Taylor on June 26, 2017, 08:37:28 PM
Let's see if the CCCCCC make their own decisions or wait for TSG to highlight it Bomber.
Unfortunately it's one rule for Tyrone and a different one for others it seems
Wait, is it one rule for Tyrone, and a different one for Connolly, and a different one again for Lee Keegan, and a different one for everyone else? Or is it One rule for Tyrone, Connolly and Keegan and a different one for everyone else?
Any indiscretion committed by a Tyrone player is put recorded on a piece of paper and filed away and brought up in terms of the conduct of Tyrone at every opportunity, this also happens to a lesser degree with other Ulster counties, depending on how successful they are.
Connolly is suffering from a track record of lashing out, he is now judged through that record rather than the act he commits now. He is paying for his past sins as he is quite regularly targeted with little protection from referees as teams know we could snap.
Keegan has got away with underhand tactics without commentary for a long time, this has came into the focus now so he will need to be careful about how he goes on now as the same tactics could likely backfire.
What separates Tyrone and to a lesser degree, other Ulsters counties from the rest is that any indiscretion committed by them is held in record ready to be brought up again whereas any indiscretions from Mayo/Kerry/Dublin etc are shredded a week after they happen and not recalled when they repeat these offences.
this has been going on for years
only being brought up now
Any word from the authorities on Saturday nights incident or are we sweeping it under the carpet because TSG didnt make enough noise about it?
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 26, 2017, 08:34:16 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on June 26, 2017, 01:50:52 PM
As bad as some the actions in the Down game, none were nearly as bad as the assault on John Mac.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 26, 2017, 10:41:27 AM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FQFCW1QeUcY
Worse one of these that I can remember. It's a dangerous and cowardly act.
The other coward in this incident was the referee who issued a yellow card. Topped only by the moral bankruptcy of those who appealed the eventual red card under the guise of complaining the disciplinary committee had over stepped the mark in extending the yellow to a red. At least Connolly was willing to take his punishment.
The extract below refers to the video action above and is taken from Harte by Mickey Harte.
(http://i.imgur.com/MIbUaLg.jpg?1)
So, this deliberate action that could have broken John Mac's neck 'wasn't pretty' according to Mr Harte who also thought that 'Ryan had landed with his knees on McEntee's chest'?
Has any other player served a ban for what McMenamin did?
I think we can all say that it's not an uncommon act at all.
1. So, if it is uncommon it is not a problem when a player is assaulted in this manner?
2. Why would another player serve a ban for something that McMenamin did?
3. Nothing to say about the attitude of the Tyrone manager towards an assault by McMenamin that was deliberate and highly dangerous?
4. The reason why incidents by Tyrone players are held on record is because the manager wrote about them and there were so many to record for future use.
5. Don't think any Tyrone player has been subjected to as many column inches and posts as Diarmuid Connolly.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 26, 2017, 09:35:32 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 26, 2017, 09:17:04 PM
Quote from: Taylor on June 26, 2017, 08:37:28 PM
Let's see if the CCCCCC make their own decisions or wait for TSG to highlight it Bomber.
Unfortunately it's one rule for Tyrone and a different one for others it seems
Wait, is it one rule for Tyrone, and a different one for Connolly, and a different one again for Lee Keegan, and a different one for everyone else? Or is it One rule for Tyrone, Connolly and Keegan and a different one for everyone else?
Any indiscretion committed by a Tyrone player is put recorded on a piece of paper and filed away and brought up in terms of the conduct of Tyrone at every opportunity, this also happens to a lesser degree with other Ulster counties, depending on how successful they are.
Connolly is suffering from a track record of lashing out, he is now judged through that record rather than the act he commits now. He is paying for his past sins as he is quite regularly targeted with little protection from referees as teams know we could snap.
Keegan has got away with underhand tactics without commentary for a long time, this has came into the focus now so he will need to be careful about how he goes on now as the same tactics could likely backfire.
What separates Tyrone and to a lesser degree, other Ulsters counties from the rest is that any indiscretion committed by them is held in record ready to be brought up again whereas any indiscretions from Mayo/Kerry/Dublin etc are shredded a week after they happen and not recalled when they repeat these offences.
Where do they keep these records?? Why don't you set up a rival set of archives to record indiscretions from the other counties you mention?
Then you can bring them up and bore everyone off with them.
Quote from: Geoff Tipps on June 27, 2017, 11:24:09 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 26, 2017, 09:35:32 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 26, 2017, 09:17:04 PM
Quote from: Taylor on June 26, 2017, 08:37:28 PM
Let's see if the CCCCCC make their own decisions or wait for TSG to highlight it Bomber.
Unfortunately it's one rule for Tyrone and a different one for others it seems
Wait, is it one rule for Tyrone, and a different one for Connolly, and a different one again for Lee Keegan, and a different one for everyone else? Or is it One rule for Tyrone, Connolly and Keegan and a different one for everyone else?
Any indiscretion committed by a Tyrone player is put recorded on a piece of paper and filed away and brought up in terms of the conduct of Tyrone at every opportunity, this also happens to a lesser degree with other Ulster counties, depending on how successful they are.
Connolly is suffering from a track record of lashing out, he is now judged through that record rather than the act he commits now. He is paying for his past sins as he is quite regularly targeted with little protection from referees as teams know we could snap.
Keegan has got away with underhand tactics without commentary for a long time, this has came into the focus now so he will need to be careful about how he goes on now as the same tactics could likely backfire.
What separates Tyrone and to a lesser degree, other Ulsters counties from the rest is that any indiscretion committed by them is held in record ready to be brought up again whereas any indiscretions from Mayo/Kerry/Dublin etc are shredded a week after they happen and not recalled when they repeat these offences.
Where do they keep these records?? Why don't you set up a rival set of archives to record indiscretions from the other counties you mention?
Then you can bring them up and bore everyone off with them.
+1
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on June 27, 2017, 11:09:50 AM
1. So, if it is uncommon it is not a problem when a player is assaulted in this manner?
2. Why would another player serve a ban for something that McMenamin did?
3. Nothing to say about the attitude of the Tyrone manager towards an assault by McMenamin that was deliberate and highly dangerous?
4. The reason why incidents by Tyrone players are held on record is because the manager wrote about them and there were so many to record for future use.
5. Don't think any Tyrone player has been subjected to as many column inches and posts as Diarmuid Connolly.
1. I've said it's not uncommon, players following in with the knees and collapsing on someone with their knees has been around for a while
2. There are instances where other players have dropped the knees on a player like McMenamin did without a ban, it's not an uncommon thing. McMenamin is the only player I recall getting banned for that particular act.
3. Manager in downplaying an act by one of his players shocker. Did Joe Kernan come out and look for Enda McNulty to serve a jail sentence after what he did to Martin McGrath in 2004 or does you faux outrage only extend when you're the sinned against. Kernan constantly defended his players against any criticism of their perceived bully boy tactics when he was charge. What did you think of that.
4. Really? Let's look at Dublin for instance, under Gavin they have been involved in two biting allegations, a 30 man brawl in a behind doors friendly match, a gouging incident, they currently have a player suspended for manhandling a referee but I have heard Jim Gavin gloss over these acts. Why has no pundit came out and said there's a bad smell about Dublin. The only two GAA players to fail an in competition drugs test have been Kerry players. Why has no came out and said systematic doping follows Kerry GAA around like a bad smell.
5. I don't think Dublin GAA have been tarred by Connolly, Philly McMahon, Eoghan O'Gara, Johnny Cooper or Kevin O'Brien's transgressions - on the other hand anything McMenamin, Gormley, Jordan and McCann have done untoward in a Tyrone jersey seems to be logged in for future reference.
Quote from: J70 on June 26, 2017, 11:53:46 AM
Quote from: Taylor on June 26, 2017, 10:52:14 AM
No issue with TSG mentioning these incidents at all......the issue is the CCCCCCCC seem to go after players in many of the instances only after TSG have brought it up.
TSG didnt highlight this incident or call for retrospective bans - this is the chance for the CCCCC to show TSG have no influence
Given that TSG airs live and then has highlights the same evening as most of the games, what opportunity is there for the CCC to do anything BEFORE Spillane and co. have their say?
And if they don't, in the case of the Down-Monaghan game (I haven't seen the incident), do anything, will that be because the ref didn't put it in his report or because RTE didn't make a stink?
And if its the latter, then are we saying that they SHOULD leave these things alone if the ref hasn't raised it?
Or do we expect the CCC to go through EVERY match to see if there was anything missed by the ref?
With no cause for action, prompted by dubious quality video, the CCCC went out of their way to get that Antrim player for a minor scuff, which at most if proven (after a lot of investigation) would call for a one game ban.
The evidence is there that the CCCC zealously go after their man, regardless of TSG punditry.
There is no evidence to support the contention that the CCCC were influenced by TSG pundits in reviewing the Connolly incident. Any person with a bit of common sense could see that there was a clear cause for action for a serious (12 weeks worth) disciplinary incident to be reviewed by the CCCC, regardless of the SG pundits intervention and regardless of the officials' action on the day.
Quote from: Main Street on June 27, 2017, 06:44:53 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 26, 2017, 11:53:46 AM
Quote from: Taylor on June 26, 2017, 10:52:14 AM
No issue with TSG mentioning these incidents at all......the issue is the CCCCCCCC seem to go after players in many of the instances only after TSG have brought it up.
TSG didnt highlight this incident or call for retrospective bans - this is the chance for the CCCCC to show TSG have no influence
Given that TSG airs live and then has highlights the same evening as most of the games, what opportunity is there for the CCC to do anything BEFORE Spillane and co. have their say?
And if they don't, in the case of the Down-Monaghan game (I haven't seen the incident), do anything, will that be because the ref didn't put it in his report or because RTE didn't make a stink?
And if its the latter, then are we saying that they SHOULD leave these things alone if the ref hasn't raised it?
Or do we expect the CCC to go through EVERY match to see if there was anything missed by the ref?
With no cause for action, prompted by dubious quality video, the CCCC went out of their way to get that Antrim player for a minor scuff, which at most if proven (after a lot of investigation) would call for a one game ban.
The evidence is there that the CCCC zealously go after their man, regardless of TSG punditry.
There is no evidence to support the contention that the CCCC were influenced by TSG pundits in reviewing the Connolly incident. Any person with a bit of common sense could see that there was a clear cause for action for a serious (12 weeks worth) disciplinary incident to be reviewed by the CCCC, regardless of the SG pundits intervention and regardless of the officials' action on the day.
If TSG analysts had went through the slo mo on Saturday night, said how dangerous it was etc and then call for a ban do you think something would happen?? The media would have all ran with the story and people would be baying for blood. The CCCCCcC would have had to act given how serious the incident was.
None of the above happened. And the CCCCCc have swept the incident under the carpet
Quote from: Taylor on June 27, 2017, 08:07:01 PM
Quote from: Main Street on June 27, 2017, 06:44:53 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 26, 2017, 11:53:46 AM
Quote from: Taylor on June 26, 2017, 10:52:14 AM
No issue with TSG mentioning these incidents at all......the issue is the CCCCCCCC seem to go after players in many of the instances only after TSG have brought it up.
TSG didnt highlight this incident or call for retrospective bans - this is the chance for the CCCCC to show TSG have no influence
Given that TSG airs live and then has highlights the same evening as most of the games, what opportunity is there for the CCC to do anything BEFORE Spillane and co. have their say?
And if they don't, in the case of the Down-Monaghan game (I haven't seen the incident), do anything, will that be because the ref didn't put it in his report or because RTE didn't make a stink?
And if its the latter, then are we saying that they SHOULD leave these things alone if the ref hasn't raised it?
Or do we expect the CCC to go through EVERY match to see if there was anything missed by the ref?
With no cause for action, prompted by dubious quality video, the CCCC went out of their way to get that Antrim player for a minor scuff, which at most if proven (after a lot of investigation) would call for a one game ban.
The evidence is there that the CCCC zealously go after their man, regardless of TSG punditry.
There is no evidence to support the contention that the CCCC were influenced by TSG pundits in reviewing the Connolly incident. Any person with a bit of common sense could see that there was a clear cause for action for a serious (12 weeks worth) disciplinary incident to be reviewed by the CCCC, regardless of the SG pundits intervention and regardless of the officials' action on the day.
If TSG analysts had went through the slo mo on Saturday night, said how dangerous it was etc and then call for a ban do you think something would happen?? The media would have all ran with the story and people would be baying for blood. The CCCCCcC would have had to act given how serious the incident was.
None of the above happened. And the CCCCCc have swept the incident under the carpet
You've got this bad Taylor. Time to let go. Must have had some bet on
Can someone clarify for me the process.
Do the CCCC have their meeting on a Monday and review any incidents from the weekend and if they find something of interest do they have to ask the referee to review it or can they just go themselves and act on it without the referee's intervention?
Is it possible that yesterday they asked the ref about the Down incidents and he decided nothing further was required?
I think as a first step, they want to remove the part of the rule which says if the ref has already dealt with it then they can't look at it again. If that was gone it would make it a lot easier for them to review ALL incidents, even those that the refs made the wrong call. The whole purpose here is to serve justice and not just be letting certain people off their punishment just because their is a loophole.
It wasnt brought up on TSG Fuzz which one can only assume is why nothing has happened.
The CCCCCC need to be transparent.
Trial by TV/pundits. Waterford hurler receives a retrospective 1 match ban for a faceguard pull;
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=272259 (http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=272259)
I've no problem with this providing there's consistency and obviously that all games are video'd and watched back, well at intercounty level anyway and that won't happen any time soon.
Quote from: Taylor on June 28, 2017, 11:13:56 AM
It wasnt brought up on TSG Fuzz which one can only assume is why nothing has happened.
The CCCCCC need to be transparent.
How many more times are you going to repeat the same post?
If you are that put out over it then contact the proper authorities instead of coming on to a message board whinging continuously.
Quote from: mup on June 28, 2017, 11:37:45 AM
Quote from: Taylor on June 28, 2017, 11:13:56 AM
It wasnt brought up on TSG Fuzz which one can only assume is why nothing has happened.
The CCCCCC need to be transparent.
How many more times are you going to repeat the same post?
If you are that put out over it then contact the proper authorities instead of coming on to a message board whinging continuously.
he needs to lay off the Haribo's by the looks of it
Quote from: mup on June 28, 2017, 11:37:45 AM
Quote from: Taylor on June 28, 2017, 11:13:56 AM
It wasnt brought up on TSG Fuzz which one can only assume is why nothing has happened.
The CCCCCC need to be transparent.
How many more times are you going to repeat the same post?
If you are that put out over it then contact the proper authorities instead of coming on to a message board whinging continuously.
Havent decided yet to be honest.
Could be a few more times before Ulster Final day comes around
Quote from: Taylor on June 28, 2017, 11:58:36 AM
Quote from: mup on June 28, 2017, 11:37:45 AM
Quote from: Taylor on June 28, 2017, 11:13:56 AM
It wasnt brought up on TSG Fuzz which one can only assume is why nothing has happened.
The CCCCCC need to be transparent.
How many more times are you going to repeat the same post?
If you are that put out over it then contact the proper authorities instead of coming on to a message board whinging continuously.
Havent decided yet to be honest.
Could be a few more times before Ulster Final day comes around
You might as well hang around till the AI Semi Final so - Connolly is back then.
TSG call the shots as far as suspensions are concerned anyway with sly knee drops allowed
Any word on the Durcan suspension?