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Having claimed back-to-back All-Ireland SFC titles on the pitch in October, the Dublin GAA powerhouse also shows no sign of abating outside the white lines with Subaru coming on board as a major sponsorship partner for 2017.
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Already the GAA's biggest draw with regards to match attendances, Jim Gavin's Dubs bid for a famous three-in-a-row later this year and their pulling power off the pitch will now be driven by the Japanese car giant.
Subaru were officially announced as the replacement for Toyota as the official car partner to Dublin GAA earlier today and join a long list of 12 official sponsors for GAA in the capital.
Dublin's coffers have been boosted significantly by such sponsorship deals and as found on dublingaa.ie, here are the dozen official partners of Dublin GAA for the 2017 season:
O'Neills – official kit partner
Lifestyle Sports – official clothing partner
Ballygowan – official hydration partner
Energise Sport – part of the official hydration partnership
Aer Lingus – official airline partner
Linwoods – official health food provider
Skins – official performance baselayer product
The Gibson Hotel – official sleeping partner
ROS Nutrition – official supplement supplier
Benetti – menswear provider
Gourmet Food Parlour – restaurant provider
Subaru – official car partner
Dublin Senior footballers Michael Fitzsimons and Kevin McManamon as well as hurling manager Ger Cunningham and senior players Eoghan O'Donnell and Chris Crummey were all present for the announcement.
"Subaru Ireland are delighted to announce it has joined forces with Dublin GAA and signed a deal making Subaru the official car partner to Dublin GAA," a press statement read.
"Subaru will provide vehicles to the players and management of the Dublin senior football and hurling teams. Both teams will also benefit from a Subaru Forester Van to transport their kit around the country as they compete in the All-Ireland Championships and National Leagues."
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Just wondering do they get much else free through their sponsors?
The GAA - Official Financial Partner
No Official Coddle Partner?
Subaru and Dublin GAA underlined their commitment to the amateur ethos of the GAA.
Both Dublin & Leitrim announced their official cars for the boys partnership today #GAA
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Be more transparent if they just paid them an annual salary of €52k.
But if course that would be taxable ;)
Do they get other stuff from sponsors like insurance from AIG, clothes from Benetti Menswear, Sports gear from O'Neills or Lifestyle Sports, healthy food from Linwoods.
I see Aer Lingus, The Gibson Hotel, Ros nutrition and others also sponsor them. Do they all get freebies from them as well. I presume that's why they hold their banquets in the Gibson of late.
Serious question but to other counties get free stuff from their sponsors as well and I don't just mean from O'Neills?
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 25, 2017, 03:05:15 PM
Do they get other stuff from sponsors like insurance from AIG, clothes from Benetti Menswear, Sports gear from O'Neills or Lifestyle Sports, healthy food from Linwoods.
I see Aer Lingus, The Gibson Hotel, Ros nutrition and others also sponsor them. Do they all get freebies from them as well. I presume that's why they hold their banquets in the Gibson of late.
Serious question but to other counties get free stuff from their sponsors as well and I don't just mean from O'Neills?
Back in the day when Cork hurlers were challenging for All Irelands some of the more high profile of them would have had sponsored cars, IIRC Ben O'Connor had the use of one from some Ford dealer in Charleville.
I'd say not all got them like the Dubs though.
Nothing new here in fairness.
Kerry had an Official Laundry Partner back in Micko's day.
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Quote from: Fuzzman on January 25, 2017, 03:05:15 PM
Do they get other stuff from sponsors like insurance from AIG, clothes from Benetti Menswear, Sports gear from O'Neills or Lifestyle Sports, healthy food from Linwoods.
I see Aer Lingus, The Gibson Hotel, Ros nutrition and others also sponsor them. Do they all get freebies from them as well. I presume that's why they hold their banquets in the Gibson of late.
Serious question but to other counties get free stuff from their sponsors as well and I don't just mean from O'Neills?
Benetti crop up with other counties.
Have Dublin not always had a sponsorship deal with a car company?
Paul Flynn used to drive Citroen. Him and Ian Madigan were always pictured doing promos.
Paul Galvin was sponsored by Audi - drives an A5 I think. Nothing new here lads. Fuzzman I'm sure a few of Tyrone's more high profile players get cars and so forth.
What ever happened to Bendix ?
Andy McEntee should hang a picture of a Subaru car beside the flour bag whenever Meath play.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 25, 2017, 05:36:06 PM
Paul Flynn used to drive Citroen. Him and Ian Madigan were always pictured doing promos.
Paul Galvin was sponsored by Audi - drives an A5 I think. Nothing new here lads. Fuzzman I'm sure a few of Tyrone's more high profile players get cars and so forth.
I used to work for a crowd and we had a fairly high profile Kilkenny hurler work with us one summer. They guy was only 19 at the time and was on basic wages but was driving a top of the range BMW sponsored by a dealership.
Fair fcuks to them I say, if someone offered me a free car I'd take it too.
Mickey Burke's Official Vehicle Partner is Caterpillar.
Didn't Donaghy get a free car?
Vaguely remember him mentioning it in the book?
Quote from: Jinxy on January 25, 2017, 06:15:34 PM
Mickey Burke's Official Vehicle Partner is Caterpillar.
I thought it was a Hummer
Official sleeping partner is weird. Surely that would be the WAGS.
If you look at Kilkenny players twitter for example, most of the big names are "ambassadors" for car dealerships or manufacturers
Quote from: Minder on January 25, 2017, 07:26:02 PM
If you look at Kilkenny players twitter for example, most of the big names are "ambassadors" for car dealerships or manufacturers
Any player I look at on twitter is a brand ambassador for something
Shortly after Clare won the 2013 All Ireland, Shane O'Donnell tweeted a pic of the new Audi or Range Rover, he had just been given. It was one of those high end automobiles. I googled the price of them and my God, the cost of it new, would buy ya a house. Granted, it would be a house on a ghost estate in Longford or Leitrim, but a house none the less. Lucky divil !
Feck me if this aint the elephant that breaks the camels back with sponsorship I dunno what will?
Then on the other hand if sponsorship was pooled would its level drop?
You've Dublin players not lining out for their clubs in relegation battles and championship semi-finals.. Why would they put all these treats in jeopardy for a paltry club game?The polar opposite of what the GAA is about
Quote from: JoG2 on January 25, 2017, 10:10:06 PM
You've Dublin players not lining out for their clubs in relegation battles and championship semi-finals.. Why would they put all these treats in jeopardy for a paltry club game?The polar opposite of what the GAA is about
I takes it that there's not much vehicular sponsorship up Derry way?
Quote from: Buttofthehill on January 25, 2017, 06:21:21 PM
Didn't Donaghy get a free car?
Vaguely remember him mentioning it in the book?
Datsun Donaghy rings a bell.
;D
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Quote from: JoG2 on January 25, 2017, 10:10:06 PM
You've Dublin players not lining out for their clubs in relegation battles and championship semi-finals.. Why would they put all these treats in jeopardy for a paltry club game?The polar opposite of what the GAA is about
I takes it that there's not much vehicular sponsorship up Derry way?
No
Quote from: seafoid on January 25, 2017, 06:32:56 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on January 25, 2017, 06:15:34 PM
Mickey Burke's Official Vehicle Partner is Caterpillar.
I thought it was a Hummer
Were the Meath lads not getting free beef back in the Kepak days and Seannie provided the free "herb" for relaxation???
Can't beat a nice fillet steak washed down with a cool glass of sorrel juice.
Quote from: JoG2 on January 25, 2017, 10:10:06 PM
You've Dublin players not lining out for their clubs in relegation battles and championship semi-finals.. Why would they put all these treats in jeopardy for a paltry club game?The polar opposite of what the GAA is about
Which players are you referring to?
a certain mayo player has a car from Dacia and it broke down in a field in Roscommon last sunday before the match and had half the Carpark/field pushing it , It wasn't even a year old.
not the image they are going for I suspect though every did notice the Car
Quote from: rosnarun on January 26, 2017, 10:05:41 AM
a certain mayo player has a car from Dacia and it broke down in a field in Roscommon last sunday before the match and had half the Carpark/field pushing it , It wasn't even a year old.
not the image they are going for I suspect though every did notice the Car
Then of course Mayo players havd a bit of history when it comes to pushing cars around car parks
I think people didn't mind it too much when the player of the year was awarded with a new car for his efforts but when the whole panel and backroom team start receiving new cars and no doubt other benefits you got to wonder are we fooling ourselves with the amateur label.
Can anyone clear up the whole rumour about the Dubs players getting their meals provided for them or was it just dietary advice?
So are they all getting cars, it doesent say that in the article, does it ?
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 26, 2017, 10:29:33 AM
I think people didn't mind it too much when the player of the year was awarded with a new car for his efforts but when the whole panel and backroom team start receiving new cars and no doubt other benefits you got to wonder are we fooling ourselves with the amateur label.
Where do you get the info the entire panel & mgt are getting a free car?
it's not quite the Big Aido Audi A6 but it'll do us simple folks just fine
The last line says...
Subaru will provide vehicles to the players and management of the Dublin senior football and hurling teams. Both teams will also benefit from a Subaru Forester Van to transport their kit around the country as they compete in the All-Ireland Championships and National Leagues."
I presume they can't give it to the starting 15 on AI final day and leave out the subs
http://www.subaru.ie/subaru-life/bryan-cullen,-dublin-gaa-star,-selects-subaru/ (http://www.subaru.ie/subaru-life/bryan-cullen,-dublin-gaa-star,-selects-subaru/)
Quote from: Gael85 on January 25, 2017, 11:23:34 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 25, 2017, 10:10:06 PM
You've Dublin players not lining out for their clubs in relegation battles and championship semi-finals.. Why would they put all these treats in jeopardy for a paltry club game?The polar opposite of what the GAA is about
Which players are you referring to?
Both have been listed on here at some stage, Paul Flynn is one of them, the other name escapes me
Would Semi professional soccor players in Ireland have as much as that, and thats only 1 deal we know about.
At what stage do we concede that the Dubs are playing professional (semi) Gaelic Football and the rest of Ireland arent.
Question is.. Is this a good model for the GAA going forward? Dubs cant play football to get these deals if they werent playing against amateurs from other counties.
If I was from Meath I would hate the Dubs this morning.
Quote from: JoG2 on January 26, 2017, 11:05:23 AM
Quote from: Gael85 on January 25, 2017, 11:23:34 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 25, 2017, 10:10:06 PM
You've Dublin players not lining out for their clubs in relegation battles and championship semi-finals.. Why would they put all these treats in jeopardy for a paltry club game?The polar opposite of what the GAA is about
Which players are you referring to?
Both have been listed on here at some stage, Paul Flynn is one of them, the other name escapes me
Flynn missed a leinster intermediate club semi final in late November / early December. I understand that it was because he was on holidays in the US with his partner.
Very difficult one, as the holiday would have been planned from a long time out and no way would he have expected to be still playing club football at that time. He was around and played in the Dublin intermediate championship and was the key man in Fingallians finally regaining senior status after near-misses in the few years previous.
The cars players get are generally use of a car for year, rather than a free car. Still great of course.
Quote from: rrhf on January 26, 2017, 02:20:56 PM
Would Semi professional soccor players in Ireland have as much as that, and thats only 1 deal we know about.
At what stage do we concede that the Dubs are playing professional (semi) Gaelic Football and the rest of Ireland arent.
Question is.. Is this a good model for the GAA going forward? Dubs cant play football to get these deals if they werent playing against amateurs from other counties.
If I was from Meath I would hate the Dubs this morning.
If you were from Meath you would hate the Dubs every morning.
Quote from: rrhf on January 26, 2017, 02:20:56 PM
Would Semi professional soccor players in Ireland have as much as that, and thats only 1 deal we know about.
At what stage do we concede that the Dubs are playing professional (semi) Gaelic Football and the rest of Ireland arent.
Question is.. Is this a good model for the GAA going forward? Dubs cant play football to get these deals if they werent playing against amateurs from other counties.
If I was from Meath I would hate the Dubs this morning.
I was listening to Aidan O'Mahony on rte radio the other night and he was talking about the great prospects coming through from the 3 in a row Kerry minors. It had me thinking, good, maybe if a handful of these minors make the step up, they could well challenge the Dublin bohemeth down the line. Now that's me hoping for a county on the other side of this country can compete with Dublin and not my own! How mad is that?! My own county and the vast majority of the rest are a country mile off challenging, now or in the near future
Quote from: Hound on January 26, 2017, 02:34:25 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 26, 2017, 11:05:23 AM
Quote from: Gael85 on January 25, 2017, 11:23:34 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 25, 2017, 10:10:06 PM
You've Dublin players not lining out for their clubs in relegation battles and championship semi-finals.. Why would they put all these treats in jeopardy for a paltry club game?The polar opposite of what the GAA is about
Which players are you referring to?
Both have been listed on here at some stage, Paul Flynn is one of them, the other name escapes me
Flynn missed a leinster intermediate club semi final in late November / early December. I understand that it was because he was on holidays in the US with his partner.
Very difficult one, as the holiday would have been planned from a long time out and no way would he have expected to be still playing club football at that time. He was around and played in the Dublin intermediate championship and was the key man in Fingallians finally regaining senior status after near-misses in the few years previous.
The cars players get are generally use of a car for year, rather than a free car. Still great of course.
Fingallians played in the promotion play-offs after that date though Hound, these play-offs regularly go into November/December. Fingallians would have been one of the favourites for promotion from division 3 as well as for the Intermediate title. If Flynn wasn't planning on still playing ball in November/December I'm sure his club was. That was arguably Fingallians biggest day out in years. No way would he have missed a Leinster semi-final for the Dubs for a holiday in the US. Then again there's no use of cars or grants for the club player.
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on January 26, 2017, 02:53:15 PM
Quote from: Hound on January 26, 2017, 02:34:25 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 26, 2017, 11:05:23 AM
Quote from: Gael85 on January 25, 2017, 11:23:34 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 25, 2017, 10:10:06 PM
You've Dublin players not lining out for their clubs in relegation battles and championship semi-finals.. Why would they put all these treats in jeopardy for a paltry club game?The polar opposite of what the GAA is about
Which players are you referring to?
Both have been listed on here at some stage, Paul Flynn is one of them, the other name escapes me
Flynn missed a leinster intermediate club semi final in late November / early December. I understand that it was because he was on holidays in the US with his partner.
Very difficult one, as the holiday would have been planned from a long time out and no way would he have expected to be still playing club football at that time. He was around and played in the Dublin intermediate championship and was the key man in Fingallians finally regaining senior status after near-misses in the few years previous.
The cars players get are generally use of a car for year, rather than a free car. Still great of course.
Fingallians played in the promotion play-offs after that date though Hound, these play-offs regularly go into November/December. Fingallians would have been one of the favourites for promotion from division 3 as well as for the Intermediate title. If Flynn wasn't planning on still playing ball in November/December I'm sure his club was. That was arguably Fingallians biggest day out in years. No way would he have missed a Leinster semi-final for the Dubs for a holiday in the US. Then again there's no use of cars or grants for the club player.
While I mostly agree with you Croi, I am going to stand up for Flynn a bit. Every player is entitled to a break, and it's the fault of HQ that the calendar is a mess. Flynn's loyalty to his club has been tested in the past in a different way (if rumours are to be believed. I can't back this up!) and he showed then that he is no mercenary. I don't think he is the best example here, as from my small amount of exposure to him he comes across as a very genuine guy who just loves his football.
I would agree missing the semi final doesn't look good but Flynn has played through the pain barrier for last 2 years. I don't think Fingallians were pushed about Leinster. I'd say they were just happy to win intermediate championship after losing 2/3 finals in a row. Plus they had 3 playoffs games in league to play after that. Flynn played in all those games.
Quote from: Hound on January 26, 2017, 02:34:25 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 26, 2017, 11:05:23 AM
Quote from: Gael85 on January 25, 2017, 11:23:34 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 25, 2017, 10:10:06 PM
You've Dublin players not lining out for their clubs in relegation battles and championship semi-finals.. Why would they put all these treats in jeopardy for a paltry club game?The polar opposite of what the GAA is about
Which players are you referring to?
Both have been listed on here at some stage, Paul Flynn is one of them, the other name escapes me
Flynn missed a leinster intermediate club semi final in late November / early December. I understand that it was because he was on holidays in the US with his partner.
Very difficult one, as the holiday would have been planned from a long time out and no way would he have expected to be still playing club football at that time. He was around and played in the Dublin intermediate championship and was the key man in Fingallians finally regaining senior status after near-misses in the few years previous.
The cars players get are generally use of a car for year, rather than a free car. Still great of course.
Do they have to pay BIK on this?
Quote from: rrhf on January 26, 2017, 02:20:56 PM
Would Semi professional soccor players in Ireland have as much as that, and thats only 1 deal we know about.
At what stage do we concede that the Dubs are playing professional (semi) Gaelic Football and the rest of Ireland arent.
Question is.. Is this a good model for the GAA going forward? Dubs cant play football to get these deals if they werent playing against amateurs from other counties.
If I was from Meath I would hate the Dubs this morning.
They cheat, Tyrone cheat, whats the difference????
Quote from: shark on January 26, 2017, 03:01:52 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on January 26, 2017, 02:53:15 PM
Quote from: Hound on January 26, 2017, 02:34:25 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 26, 2017, 11:05:23 AM
Quote from: Gael85 on January 25, 2017, 11:23:34 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 25, 2017, 10:10:06 PM
You've Dublin players not lining out for their clubs in relegation battles and championship semi-finals.. Why would they put all these treats in jeopardy for a paltry club game?The polar opposite of what the GAA is about
Which players are you referring to?
Both have been listed on here at some stage, Paul Flynn is one of them, the other name escapes me
Flynn missed a leinster intermediate club semi final in late November / early December. I understand that it was because he was on holidays in the US with his partner.
Very difficult one, as the holiday would have been planned from a long time out and no way would he have expected to be still playing club football at that time. He was around and played in the Dublin intermediate championship and was the key man in Fingallians finally regaining senior status after near-misses in the few years previous.
The cars players get are generally use of a car for year, rather than a free car. Still great of course.
Fingallians played in the promotion play-offs after that date though Hound, these play-offs regularly go into November/December. Fingallians would have been one of the favourites for promotion from division 3 as well as for the Intermediate title. If Flynn wasn't planning on still playing ball in November/December I'm sure his club was. That was arguably Fingallians biggest day out in years. No way would he have missed a Leinster semi-final for the Dubs for a holiday in the US. Then again there's no use of cars or grants for the club player.
While I mostly agree with you Croi, I am going to stand up for Flynn a bit. Every player is entitled to a break, and it's the fault of HQ that the calendar is a mess. Flynn's loyalty to his club has been tested in the past in a different way (if rumours are to be believed. I can't back this up!) and he showed then that he is no mercenary. I don't think he is the best example here, as from my small amount of exposure to him he comes across as a very genuine guy who just loves his football.
That would be my impression of him as well shark, a very genuine guy who just loves his football. He was out on his feet this year and no doubt needs a break. The time to get the break is when the club is finished though. He shouldn't reappear again for the county until he's healed up and with the strength in depth in Dublin he can be afforded this time now. Again I couldn't even see him missing a league game for the Dubs for a holiday in the US.
In fairness, Paul Flynn was playing club football for Fingallians well into December which the vast amount of intercounty players were not doing.
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 26, 2017, 03:40:14 PM
Quote from: Hound on January 26, 2017, 02:34:25 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 26, 2017, 11:05:23 AM
Quote from: Gael85 on January 25, 2017, 11:23:34 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 25, 2017, 10:10:06 PM
You've Dublin players not lining out for their clubs in relegation battles and championship semi-finals.. Why would they put all these treats in jeopardy for a paltry club game?The polar opposite of what the GAA is about
Which players are you referring to?
Both have been listed on here at some stage, Paul Flynn is one of them, the other name escapes me
Flynn missed a leinster intermediate club semi final in late November / early December. I understand that it was because he was on holidays in the US with his partner.
Very difficult one, as the holiday would have been planned from a long time out and no way would he have expected to be still playing club football at that time. He was around and played in the Dublin intermediate championship and was the key man in Fingallians finally regaining senior status after near-misses in the few years previous.
The cars players get are generally use of a car for year, rather than a free car. Still great of course.
Do they have to pay BIK on this?
Not according to their Official Tax Partner.
Quote from: Jinxy on January 27, 2017, 11:30:25 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 26, 2017, 03:40:14 PM
Quote from: Hound on January 26, 2017, 02:34:25 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 26, 2017, 11:05:23 AM
Quote from: Gael85 on January 25, 2017, 11:23:34 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 25, 2017, 10:10:06 PM
You've Dublin players not lining out for their clubs in relegation battles and championship semi-finals.. Why would they put all these treats in jeopardy for a paltry club game?The polar opposite of what the GAA is about
Which players are you referring to?
Both have been listed on here at some stage, Paul Flynn is one of them, the other name escapes me
Flynn missed a leinster intermediate club semi final in late November / early December. I understand that it was because he was on holidays in the US with his partner.
Very difficult one, as the holiday would have been planned from a long time out and no way would he have expected to be still playing club football at that time. He was around and played in the Dublin intermediate championship and was the key man in Fingallians finally regaining senior status after near-misses in the few years previous.
The cars players get are generally use of a car for year, rather than a free car. Still great of course.
Do they have to pay BIK on this?
Not according to their Official Tax Partner.
;D
Anyone got a list of the players jobs? Surely they're in proper employment and getting a bit of time off during games etc. I couldn't see too many being 9-5 footballers.
I see a similar imbalance in rugby that if England win the Gran Slam they will share a jackpot of more than £3.5 million (€4.1m).
Should Ireland win the Grand Slam, it is believed that each player would receive £63,000 (€74,000) as a one-off payment for the entire tournament, around £90,000 (€106,000) less than their English counterparts.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/six-nations/revealed-irish-players-will-earn-significantly-less-money-than-their-english-counterparts-for-grand-slam-success-35402587.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/six-nations/revealed-irish-players-will-earn-significantly-less-money-than-their-english-counterparts-for-grand-slam-success-35402587.html)
Club rugby the same. With the money the French and English clubs share compared to the rest, according to some rugby analyst on the Last Word last year, it'll be an absolute miracle for any club outside of France or England to win the Heineken Cup again.
Quote from: Canalman on January 27, 2017, 11:26:38 AM
In fairness, Paul Flynn was playing club football for Fingallians well into December which the vast amount of intercounty players were not doing.
That's already been stated, numerous times.
Quote from: stew on January 26, 2017, 04:02:11 PM
Quote from: rrhf on January 26, 2017, 02:20:56 PM
Would Semi professional soccor players in Ireland have as much as that, and thats only 1 deal we know about.
At what stage do we concede that the Dubs are playing professional (semi) Gaelic Football and the rest of Ireland arent.
Question is.. Is this a good model for the GAA going forward? Dubs cant play football to get these deals if they werent playing against amateurs from other counties.
If I was from Meath I would hate the Dubs this morning.
They cheat, Tyrone cheat, whats the difference????
14 years of hurt and counting
Quote from: Jinxy on January 27, 2017, 11:30:25 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 26, 2017, 03:40:14 PM
Do they have to pay BIK on this?
Not according to their Official Tax Partner.
This lot? ;D
http://www.irishexporters.ie/member_news/taxback-group-launch-new-specialist-division-immedis/
Quote from: JoG2 on January 27, 2017, 05:20:31 PM
Club rugby the same. With the money the French and English clubs share compared to the rest, according to some rugby analyst on the Last Word last year, it'll be an absolute miracle for any club outside of France or England to win the Heineken Cup again.
That was the theory but Munster and Leinster are holding their own so far
Terrible😡. Hope they all get clamped the next time they play at Croker.
Quote from: seafoid on January 28, 2017, 02:58:59 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 27, 2017, 05:20:31 PM
Club rugby the same. With the money the French and English clubs share compared to the rest, according to some rugby analyst on the Last Word last year, it'll be an absolute miracle for any club outside of France or England to win the Heineken Cup again.
That was the theory but Munster and Leinster are holding their own so far
1 semi finalist since the revamp with the French and English sides getting stronger. We'll see but it's now as skewed a tournament as the AI
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 27, 2017, 02:55:38 PM
I see a similar imbalance in rugby that if England win the Gran Slam they will share a jackpot of more than £3.5 million (€4.1m).
Should Ireland win the Grand Slam, it is believed that each player would receive £63,000 (€74,000) as a one-off payment for the entire tournament, around £90,000 (€106,000) less than their English counterparts.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/six-nations/revealed-irish-players-will-earn-significantly-less-money-than-their-english-counterparts-for-grand-slam-success-35402587.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/six-nations/revealed-irish-players-will-earn-significantly-less-money-than-their-english-counterparts-for-grand-slam-success-35402587.html)
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Quote from: Fuzzman on January 27, 2017, 02:55:38 PM
I see a similar imbalance in rugby that if England win the Gran Slam they will share a jackpot of more than £3.5 million (€4.1m).
Should Ireland win the Grand Slam, it is believed that each player would receive £63,000 (€74,000) as a one-off payment for the entire tournament, around £90,000 (€106,000) less than their English counterparts.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/six-nations/revealed-irish-players-will-earn-significantly-less-money-than-their-english-counterparts-for-grand-slam-success-35402587.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/six-nations/revealed-irish-players-will-earn-significantly-less-money-than-their-english-counterparts-for-grand-slam-success-35402587.html)
It's irrelevant to the state of the GAA what English rugby players might earn as a bonus compared to their Irish counterparts.
What might be relevant are examples of sporting inequality in Ireland. The story of Connacht compared to the other 3 provinces is a case in point and over recent years Connacht have managed to be treated as (almost) equals when it comes to getting their slice of the IRFU kitty, despite them having radically fewer supporters and arriving late to competing at the top european levels. A similar to IRFU policy re disbursement of funds does not exist in the GAA. There is an existing inherent inequality with Dublin having 1/4 the population and a progressive quasi professionalism, the sporting inequality is increasing due in part to their growing slice from central GAA funds, the growth of their commercial sponsorship and its importance in the game. .
GAA aspiration should be that a similar level of top quality facilities re infrastructure and coaching be made available to all counties.
Or simply split Dublin in 4.
they all live and work in Dublin, don't have far to travel to work, county training or games.
that is probably the biggest advantage
a county like Sligo or Cavan would have a lot of players working away from the county which involves a lot of travelling
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 28, 2017, 01:14:30 PM
they all live and work in Dublin, don't have far to travel to work, county training or games.
that is probably the biggest advantage
a county like Sligo or Cavan would have a lot of players working away from the county which involves a lot of travelling
So what about players from Kilare, Meath and Wicklow? With modern motorways, they would have manageable commutes to/from Dublin to Newbridge, Navan etc. What are those counties excuses for being crap?
Kildare have many reasons/excuses for being crap but the recent decline is down to a combination of suffering hammerings from Dublin(Kerry too on 1 dark day), ousting McGeeney when he was rebuilding against the wishes of the players and most right minded supporters, appointing the spoofer Jason Ryan (didn't think Meath would be physical etc), losing huge amount of supporters, much reduced finances as a result, clubs being squeezed to pay for the centre of excellence and probably the main excuse is that they have always been somewhat crap apart from the odd spell every 20/30 years or so. There is no hope.
The growth of Rugby is having some impact too as more children are playing it than ever before and Kildare has the highest amount of Rugby clubs per population in the country. Decent well run soccer leagues too.
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on January 28, 2017, 08:40:32 PM
Kildare have many reasons/excuses for being crap but the recent decline is down to a combination of suffering hammerings from Dublin(Kerry too on 1 dark day), ousting McGeeney when he was rebuilding against the wishes of the players and most right minded supporters, appointing the spoofer Jason Ryan (didn't think Meath would be physical etc), losing huge amount of supporters, much reduced finances as a result, clubs being squeezed to pay for the centre of excellence and probably the main excuse is that they have always been somewhat crap apart from the odd spell every 20/30 years or so. There is no hope.
The growth of Rugby is having some impact too as more children are playing it than ever before and Kildare has the highest amount of Rugby clubs per population in the country. Decent well run soccer leagues too.
Kildare doesn't have a cohort of winners at any age and the supporters are fatalistic . The psychology of Kildare football is very complex. It should be studied in conjunction with Cork. They have crosses to bear but they can still win every so often.
Ah here. Cork have won nearly 40 All Irelands, across both codes. Cork may be in the doldrums now, but Kildare and Cork are at polar opposites on the overall success scale.
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on January 28, 2017, 08:40:32 PM
Kildare have many reasons/excuses for being crap but the recent decline is down to a combination of suffering hammerings from Dublin(Kerry too on 1 dark day), ousting McGeeney when he was rebuilding against the wishes of the players and most right minded supporters, appointing the spoofer Jason Ryan (didn't think Meath would be physical etc), losing huge amount of supporters, much reduced finances as a result, clubs being squeezed to pay for the centre of excellence and probably the main excuse is that they have always been somewhat crap apart from the odd spell every 20/30 years or so. There is no hope.
The growth of Rugby is having some impact too as more children are playing it than ever before and Kildare has the highest amount of Rugby clubs per population in the country. Decent well run soccer leagues too.
This past decade, Kildare have lost to other counties in Leinster, more than they have lost to Dublin. Blaming mental trauma from getting hammered by the Dubs, will only get you so far.
Quote from: Beffs on January 28, 2017, 10:45:45 PM
Ah here. Cork have won nearly 40 All Irelands, across both codes. Cork may be in the doldrums now, but Kildare and Cork are at polar opposites on the overall success scale.
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on January 28, 2017, 08:40:32 PM
Kildare have many reasons/excuses for being crap but the recent decline is down to a combination of suffering hammerings from Dublin(Kerry too on 1 dark day), ousting McGeeney when he was rebuilding against the wishes of the players and most right minded supporters, appointing the spoofer Jason Ryan (didn't think Meath would be physical etc), losing huge amount of supporters, much reduced finances as a result, clubs being squeezed to pay for the centre of excellence and probably the main excuse is that they have always been somewhat crap apart from the odd spell every 20/30 years or so. There is no hope.
The growth of Rugby is having some impact too as more children are playing it than ever before and Kildare has the highest amount of Rugby clubs per population in the country. Decent well run soccer leagues too.
This past decade, Kildare have lost to other counties in Leinster, more than they have lost to Dublin. Blaming mental trauma from getting hammered by the Dubs, will only get you so far.
Cork hurlers have a top 3 pedigree. Cork footballers would be closer to Mayo. They lose a lot of all Ireland finals.
Yep. They may do. But at least they are actually getting to the AI finals. Kldare generally, aren't within an arses roar of one.
Quote from: Beffs on January 28, 2017, 10:45:45 PM
This past decade, Kildare have lost to other counties in Leinster, more than they have lost to Dublin. Blaming mental trauma from getting hammered by the Dubs, will only get you so far.
Have not lost to a Leinster county in a knock out game that matters in almost 10 years (Louth 2007). Getting out of Leinster every year is a weight off our shoulders and performances generally improve greatly in the qualifiers. The difference in intensity last year between the Kildare Westmeath match and the Kildare Offaly qualifier was astonishing, one was like a challenge match played behind closed doors and the other was proper championship fare with a great atmosphere and proper football.
Quote from: Beffs on January 29, 2017, 12:12:37 AM
Yep. They may do. But at least they are actually getting to the AI finals. Kldare generally, aren't within an arses roar of one.
That is partly structural. There are twice as many counties in Leinster than in Munster. The GAA should allocate Kildare to Munster or Connacht on humanitarian grounds for 5 years.
These boys don't play many club games atall.
Obviously playing numbers must be top of the list. There are clubs in Dublin that field over 90 teams across the male and female games. And that is still after a significant loss of players in the teenage years. Financially Dublin cannot be matched. However they are beatable as long as you dont do Mayo on it and give them two goals
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on January 28, 2017, 08:40:32 PM
Kildare have many reasons/excuses for being crap but the recent decline is down to a combination of suffering hammerings from Dublin(Kerry too on 1 dark day), ousting McGeeney when he was rebuilding against the wishes of the players and most right minded supporters, appointing the spoofer Jason Ryan (didn't think Meath would be physical etc), losing huge amount of supporters, much reduced finances as a result, clubs being squeezed to pay for the centre of excellence and probably the main excuse is that they have always been somewhat crap apart from the odd spell every 20/30 years or so. There is no hope.
The growth of Rugby is having some impact too as more children are playing it than ever before and Kildare has the highest amount of Rugby clubs per population in the country. Decent well run soccer leagues too.
Athy
Barnhall
Cill Dara
Clane
Naas
Newbridge
North Kildare
Newbridge College
Clongowes Wood (Boarding)
21 Adult teams between them
Close to 150 underage teams including the 2 schools but most playing club rugby play multiple sports so a very small factor in our shiteness.
There would be in excess of 100 Adult GAA teams and over 500 juvenile teams.
Culture is our biggest issue.
Quote from: Avondhu star on January 29, 2017, 03:21:22 PM
Obviously playing numbers must be top of the list. There are clubs in Dublin that field over 90 teams across the male and female games. And that is still after a significant loss of players in the teenage years. Financially Dublin cannot be matched. However they are beatable as long as you dont do Mayo on it and give them two goals
Sometimes scrolling through this board you read some of the daftest things and you wonder is the poster on the wind up and thinks they are after delivering a real smart one or are they really that stupid. This here. This is a great example of this.
"However they are beatable as long as you dont do Mayo on it and give them two goals"Right so. Beatable by who. Kildare maybe. If Kildare can avoid conceding 2 own goals they can beat the all conquering Dubs. Or Kerry. Maybe they should try this wonderful new tactic.
What does this actually mean.
Actually the day that Dublin came nearest to been beat the last 2 years was the day they were given them 2 goals
Quote from: Dinny Breen on January 29, 2017, 07:48:32 PM
Athy
Barnhall
Cill Dara
Clane
Naas
Newbridge
North Kildare
Newbridge College
Clongowes Wood (Boarding)
21 Adult teams between them
Close to 150 underage teams including the 2 schools but most playing club rugby play multiple sports so a very small factor in our shiteness.
There would be in excess of 100 Adult GAA teams and over 500 juvenile teams.
Culture is our biggest issue.
Fair point but I'd still imagine their playing numbers are a lot higher than what was the case 10-15 years ago. I know the seasons can compliment each other with Rugby being useful for toughening up young lads (it probably helped myself in that regard when I was a skinny 13 year old playing flanker and every big number 8 going would think they could run over me) in the winter but at my club at least you'd see a few of them not bother come back in the summer and they'd be missed.
The rugby clubs also seem to be more adept at hoovering up sponsorship money that in the past the GAA might have got.
Only a very small contributory factor in the counties overall demise though.
I see Dundalk FC manager Stephen Kenny got a new sponsored Renault Kadjar today
Quote from: T Fearon on January 30, 2017, 10:23:00 PM
I see Dundalk FC manager Stephen Kenny got a new sponsored Renault Kadjar today
https://twitter.com/obrienmgar/status/826046915305431040
Along with any Westmeath footballer or hurler who wants one. Although they are not free, the players only have to make a small monthly payment. Not on Dublin's level, but better than nothing!
Quote from: T Fearon on January 30, 2017, 10:23:00 PM
I see Dundalk FC manager Stephen Kenny got a new sponsored Renault Kadjar today
Thing is.....Stephen Kenny goes under the title of (semi) professional. This is expected.
Quote from: shark on January 31, 2017, 09:02:42 AM
Quote from: T Fearon on January 30, 2017, 10:23:00 PM
I see Dundalk FC manager Stephen Kenny got a new sponsored Renault Kadjar today
https://twitter.com/obrienmgar/status/826046915305431040
Along with any Westmeath footballer or hurler who wants one. Although they are not free, the players only have to make a small monthly payment. Not on Dublin's level, but better than nothing!
Is that to lease for the year or buy shark?
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on January 31, 2017, 09:42:26 AM
Quote from: shark on January 31, 2017, 09:02:42 AM
Quote from: T Fearon on January 30, 2017, 10:23:00 PM
I see Dundalk FC manager Stephen Kenny got a new sponsored Renault Kadjar today
https://twitter.com/obrienmgar/status/826046915305431040
Along with any Westmeath footballer or hurler who wants one. Although they are not free, the players only have to make a small monthly payment. Not on Dublin's level, but better than nothing!
Is that to lease for the year or buy shark?
Lease I hear, should be some good deals on 1 year old cars in 2018 so.
Quote from: shark on January 31, 2017, 09:02:42 AM
Quote from: T Fearon on January 30, 2017, 10:23:00 PM
I see Dundalk FC manager Stephen Kenny got a new sponsored Renault Kadjar today
https://twitter.com/obrienmgar/status/826046915305431040
Along with any Westmeath footballer or hurler who wants one. Although they are not free, the players only have to make a small monthly payment. Not on Dublin's level, but better than nothing!
How about the van the county secretary gets to drive around in?
What about the great leader Sean Sheridan? Does he not get one?
I see Dublin got €1.4m in games development money last year.
2nd highest Cork €249k.
Meanwhile a study called Ireland (26Cos) 2040 predicts a 750k increase in the States population with 75% occurring in Dublin and adjoining Counties.
It is time for the GAA to start looking ahead and planning for this and other eventualities.
What changes will be needed to Administration and Management structures?
What type of Representative teams will be required?
E.G. will the 32 Counties model have to go?
Split heavily populated Eastern Counties?
Amalgamations of small midland western northern counties?
It's only 23 years away....
Genuine question...I know it light years away but:
Would it not devalue the competition and lessen its value if, for example, Mayo beat Fingal in an All-Ireland Final?
No how would it. If Fingal had 600,000 population and Mayo ( hopefully without west Ros 8)) had 100,000.
Meanwhile South Ulster, East Connacht, West Leinster would only have 750k between their 12 Counties.
But seriously the GAA need some Committee to consider the long term outlook.
more likely if the trend toeard professionalism continues the number of team will be reduced . Its hard on Purely Commercial terms to argue that Cavan hurdlers are the equal of Kilkenny or in football that Roscommon compared to Dublin.
Rugby can just about keep 4 teams going (at least 2 of which are a financial burden) and while soccer keeps about 20 on life support th best the GAA could keep is 8 to 10
Quote from: Buttofthehill on February 02, 2017, 11:24:37 AM
Genuine question...I know it light years away but:
Would it not devalue the competition and lessen its value if, for example, Mayo beat Fingal in an All-Ireland Final?
Not for Mayo.
Quote from: Jinxy on February 03, 2017, 10:07:06 AM
Quote from: Buttofthehill on February 02, 2017, 11:24:37 AM
Genuine question...I know it light years away but:
Would it not devalue the competition and lessen its value if, for example, Mayo beat Fingal in an All-Ireland Final?
Not for Mayo.
Still a big if.