http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/1123/748507-schools-religion/ (http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/1123/748507-schools-religion/)
...The student will not be required to study religion, but she will have to remain in the classroom while the subject is being taught.....
...The school confirmed that Mr Drury had been told his daughter could not opt out of religion....
....All ETB schools are obliged to teach religion. This was a stipulation that the Catholic church made to the State during the development of the then-VEC school system.....
Wait for it from Tony...further evidence that Christians are the most discriminated against people on the planet!
not a great country for moving with the times!
it was the same when i was in school 15 years ago!
Earlier, the girl's father, Paul Drury, told RTÉ News that neither he nor his daughter were religious and that his daughter did not want to study the subject.
Mr Drury, who is from the UK, has welcomed the decision.
hmmmmmm....
hmmmmm what?
I think this is a sensible enough conclusion any way. The girl doesn't have to participate, she can work away studying whatever, but the school can still care for her as she is physically sitting in the classroom.
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 25, 2015, 03:09:21 PM
hmmmmm what?
I think this is a sensible enough conclusion any way. The girl doesn't have to participate, she can work away studying whatever, but the school can still care for her as she is physically sitting in the classroom.
I am guessing, as it is run by the ETB (formerly the VEC), that it is a secondary school?
Do schools allow children (who are teenagers obviously) to sit in a study hall nowadays during a class period? We certainly did it at times. Or has that all changed?
Regarding the story, the issue seems to have been that the school insisted she did religion. After the row, they rowed back to the new more sensible position.
Quote from: muppet on November 25, 2015, 03:16:53 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 25, 2015, 03:09:21 PM
hmmmmm what?
I think this is a sensible enough conclusion any way. The girl doesn't have to participate, she can work away studying whatever, but the school can still care for her as she is physically sitting in the classroom.
I am guessing, as it is run by the ETB (formerly the VEC), that it is a secondary school?
Do schools allow children (who are teenagers obviously) to sit in a study hall nowadays during a class period? We certainly did it at times. Or has that all changed?
Regarding the story, the issue seems to have been that the school insisted she did religion. After the row, they rowed back to the new more sensible position.
Dunno. We used to have to sit in other classes if a teacher was sick or whatever. I remember because I climbed out the window to play football when I was supposed to be sitting in a German class or something because the French teacher was out.
And I remember we had an English girl who didn't do Irish, but she still sat in the class doing homework as the rest of us read Peig.
Her name was Honey, now that I think of it. I shit you not.
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 25, 2015, 03:19:39 PM
Quote from: muppet on November 25, 2015, 03:16:53 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 25, 2015, 03:09:21 PM
hmmmmm what?
I think this is a sensible enough conclusion any way. The girl doesn't have to participate, she can work away studying whatever, but the school can still care for her as she is physically sitting in the classroom.
I am guessing, as it is run by the ETB (formerly the VEC), that it is a secondary school?
Do schools allow children (who are teenagers obviously) to sit in a study hall nowadays during a class period? We certainly did it at times. Or has that all changed?
Regarding the story, the issue seems to have been that the school insisted she did religion. After the row, they rowed back to the new more sensible position.
Dunno. We used to have to sit in other classes if a teacher was sick or whatever. I remember because I climbed out the window to play football when I was supposed to be sitting in a German class or something because the French teacher was out.
And I remember we had an English girl who didn't do Irish, but she still sat in the class doing homework as the rest of us read Peig.
Her name was Honey, now that I think of it. I shit you not.
What was her surname?
Pott?
Bunn??
Bush???
Rider.
Cool story bro.
I know. I was even boring myself as I typed it. :)
;D ;D
Muppet's and AZ's exchanges rarely disppoint
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Quote from: ballinaman on November 25, 2015, 03:47:32 PM
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Piss off arm-man. :)
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 25, 2015, 03:32:15 PM
I know. I was even boring myself as I typed it. :)
Boring yourself?
Tony Fearon will disown you if you are careful.
I had French lessons in college, even though I didn't take French. I kept asking her how she pronounced 'Happiness is hard to find'. I was allowed to leave class after a few lessons.
I finished GCSE Maths in a year. I didn't want to do additional maths - I had to go to the class but I didnt participate.
Nothing to see here folks.....
Is Religion taught after the Junior Cert anymore? I know there is an exam you can do for the Junior Cert!
https://www.examinations.ie/exam/Junior_Certificate_Timetable_2015.pdf (https://www.examinations.ie/exam/Junior_Certificate_Timetable_2015.pdf)
Most schools have it as a non exam subject rather than something like PE. In some schools it is an exam subject.
I spent many a time in a class I didn't want to be in . It led to a career I didn't want to be in. Nothing different to 90% of the population.
There is great enthusiasm here for not getting educated.
Quote from: armaghniac on November 25, 2015, 06:58:37 PM
There is great enthusiasm here for not getting educated.
I was thinking that a class teaching about lots of different religions would be very interesting. Exam or no exam.
In my day at secondary school in the early 70's there was religious something or other once a week in the second year. Then the morons that somehow find state sponsored employment as teachers, decided that we should have an exam in catholic based christian doctrine. No classes were scheduled on that sacred day, just you had to come in, sit down and do the catholic based religion test. I came in, sat down, took out my pen and wrote" I'm going home now" and made my exit. In our third year, religious based classes were dropped completely.
If I was that girl's father and had to cop the ruling, I would buy her a nice pair of over-ear headphones which would radically reduce her exposure to outside noise pollution so she can concentrate better on doing something useful.
Not familiar with the education system in the freestate.Is this a Catholic sector school? Can students opt out of Maths and English? If not then it is patently discriminatory
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 25, 2015, 03:09:21 PM
hmmmmm what?
I think this is a sensible enough conclusion any way. The girl doesn't have to participate, she can work away studying whatever, but the school can still care for her as she is physically sitting in the classroom.
Tail wagging the dog again. Sets a bad precedent. It's a wonder he didn't sue.
Quote from: foxcommander on November 25, 2015, 09:27:52 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 25, 2015, 03:09:21 PM
hmmmmm what?
I think this is a sensible enough conclusion any way. The girl doesn't have to participate, she can work away studying whatever, but the school can still care for her as she is physically sitting in the classroom.
Tail wagging the dog again. Sets a bad precedent. It's a wonder he didn't sue.
I dunno about the bad bit but it does set a precedent. I would expect more and more kids seeking exemption from Irish for example. Many already do anyway.
That might not be a bad thing either. Subjects should be optional ideally. This would lead to a better learning environment for the kids that actually are interested in a subject. In some situations teachers can end up babysitting students in classes. Students that are not taking the subject being taught and are not interested in studying anything else either during that period.
Ideally kids should only be doing subjects that they are interested in. The budget constraints and timetabling and logistics that result leads to students ending up in classes/subjects they don t want to be in.
Afaik religion in secondary school is about all religions and not about catholic indoctrination. As Muppet said it is probably very interesting and enlightening.
Quote from: moysider on November 26, 2015, 12:00:16 AM
I dunno about the bad bit but it does set a precedent. I would expect more and more kids seeking exemption from Irish for example. Many already do anyway.
That might not be a bad thing either. Subjects should be optional ideally. This would lead to a better learning environment for the kids that actually are interested in a subject. In some situations teachers can end up babysitting students in classes. Students that are not taking the subject being taught and are not interested in studying anything else either during that period.
Ideally kids should only be doing subjects that they are interested in. The budget constraints and timetabling and logistics that result leads to students ending up in classes/subjects they don t want to be in.
Afaik religion in secondary school is about all religions and not about catholic indoctrination. As Muppet said it is probably very interesting and enlightening.
That's a bit like saying childer should eat what they want. A lot of them will end up eating Tayto crisps and Mars bars for lunch washed down with a can of Coke.
I didn't see the point of English literature at the time and I resented it. Didn't come to appreciate it until years later, although it helped that I didn't have an abrasive oul biddy trying to teach it to me.
When I was in primary school I didn't want to be bothered learning my multiplication tables, and I fell a bit behind as a result. The teachers kept brow-beating me about it until I knew them and I'm glad they did, for it would have caused a lot of problems later if I didn't know them.
When it comes to religion the only way it should be taught as a mandatory subject in a state-run or state-funded school should be as a history/philosophy type subject where world religions are compared. In fact I'd say the whole thing should be sunk into a bigger subject called philosophy which is a hell of a lot more interesting.
But if religion is going to be taught for indoctrination purposes then let the churches fund it themselves and set up their own facilities to teach it in. It's not like they're short of money. Any taxpayer money used for indoctrination purposes is effectively a tithe, and that has no place in a pluralist republic.