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Title: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: ThroughTheLaces on October 20, 2015, 09:27:59 PM
Unless you are from a certain local area, when you see a place written down it can be hard to know how that place is pronounced. Are there many places around you where this is the case?

For example in Derry we have Ballerin. Written down looks like it should be 'ba-la-rin' where it is actually 'ba-LEER-in'.

Can be awkward enough chatting to people and pronouncing somewhere close to them completely wrong!

Any places that stand out in terms of how they are written and how they are pronounced?
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: laoislad on October 20, 2015, 09:33:01 PM
I heard some strange pronunciations on RTE of Ratheniska when the Ploughing was on there a few weeks ago.
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: ThroughTheLaces on October 20, 2015, 09:53:43 PM
Quote from: hardstation on October 20, 2015, 09:51:17 PM
Quote from: laoislad on October 20, 2015, 09:33:01 PM
I heard some strange pronunciations on RTE of Ratheniska when the Ploughing was on there a few weeks ago.
Donagh in Fermanagh.
Belvoir in Belfast.

Yep, that one got me.
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: Orior on October 20, 2015, 09:54:51 PM
Quote from: hardstation on October 20, 2015, 09:51:17 PM
Quote from: laoislad on October 20, 2015, 09:33:01 PM
I heard some strange pronunciations on RTE of Ratheniska when the Ploughing was on there a few weeks ago.
Donagh in Fermanagh.
Belvoir in Belfast.

Belvoir is pronounced Beaver.

How is Donagh pronounced?
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: illdecide on October 20, 2015, 09:55:08 PM
Ravernet.

Pronounced - Ra-fornit you have to say it fast to get the right tone
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: ONeill on October 20, 2015, 09:58:33 PM
Gortin - are there many other tin=chin

Probably 290.
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: From the Bunker on October 20, 2015, 10:01:42 PM
In Castlebar area the two that stand out:

Turlough - Pronounced Turla by locals.

Rathbawn - Pronounced Rabawn by really auld stock!
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: ONeill on October 20, 2015, 10:16:02 PM
Augher, Clogher, Finaghy.

Me: A her, Cloh her, Fin a he
Wife: Ackher, Clockher, Finaky.
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: ThroughTheLaces on October 20, 2015, 10:17:48 PM
On a slightly related note a lot protestants seem to pronounce Maghera and Magherafelt as Mackera and Mackerafelt.
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: ONeill on October 20, 2015, 10:22:36 PM
Feck, the wife's a Prod.
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: sensethetone on October 20, 2015, 10:23:49 PM
Quote from: ThroughTheLaces on October 20, 2015, 10:17:48 PM
On a slightly related note a lot protestants seem to pronounce Maghera and Magherafelt as Mackera and Mackerafelt.
Have heard Markrafelt, said like Markrafelt.

Also its Mullaghmore not Mullackmore isn't it?
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: Orior on October 20, 2015, 10:24:09 PM
Quote from: ThroughTheLaces on October 20, 2015, 10:17:48 PM
On a slightly related note a lot protestants seem to pronounce Maghera and Magherafelt as Mackera and Mackerafelt.

Also on a related note, certain folk in my work pronounce Monaghan as Monackin.
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: An Watcher on October 20, 2015, 10:39:20 PM
Have had a few discussions with the belfasties about the pronunciation of stranorlar and ballybofey. They seem to pronounce them literally which seems very proper
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: macdanger2 on October 20, 2015, 10:44:06 PM
Balla in Mayo, pronounced Baal
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: BennyCake on October 20, 2015, 10:51:10 PM
Protestants deliberately pronounce 'ack' as opposed to 'agh'.
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: ONeill on October 20, 2015, 11:06:28 PM
Quote from: hardstation on October 20, 2015, 10:25:49 PM
McCooeys say ck for many h sounds in words.
Garvacky Road, Dinny Cackle, Dunfanacky, Banacker.

Why is that?
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: general_lee on October 21, 2015, 08:27:08 AM
Moira... Moy-ra if your Protestant (or posh)... Mire-ah if you're not.
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: nrico2006 on October 21, 2015, 09:45:29 AM
Quote from: general_lee on October 21, 2015, 08:27:08 AM
Moira... Moy-ra if your Protestant (or posh)... Mire-ah if you're not.

I am neither a Protestant or posh and I call it Moy-ra.

I have heard a lot of Catholics calls Maghera and Magherafelt Machera and Macherafelt.
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: nrico2006 on October 21, 2015, 09:46:29 AM
I used to call Waringstown Waaringstown but now I call it  Werringstown like I am supposed to.
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: MoChara on October 21, 2015, 09:55:31 AM
The older generation round my way say Bell-Fast like two separate words
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: Clov on October 21, 2015, 10:04:15 AM
Meigh in south Armagh - "Mike"
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: Clov on October 21, 2015, 10:05:58 AM
Attical in the Mournes - 'A-ti-cauuul'
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: Hoof Hearted on October 21, 2015, 10:21:07 AM
maghaberry
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: general_lee on October 21, 2015, 10:28:57 AM
I'm guessing that's why Moira gets Mire-ah , Maigh Rath as gaeilge.
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: AZOffaly on October 21, 2015, 10:39:57 AM
Some of the pronunciations down around South Kerry are not exactly intuitive either. In fact in some cases you can see roadsigns with different spellings on them for the same place. I presume that's because they were asked the name of a place, and the person spelled it as they heard it.

Aghatubrid is pronounced Aw-Tubrid
Ballaghasheen os pronounce Blockasheen
Ballinskelligs is pronounced BanSkelligs
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: Hardy on October 21, 2015, 11:10:30 AM
Quote from: sensethetone on October 20, 2015, 10:23:49 PM
Quote from: ThroughTheLaces on October 20, 2015, 10:17:48 PM
On a slightly related note a lot protestants seem to pronounce Maghera and Magherafelt as Mackera and Mackerafelt.
Have heard Markrafelt, said like Markrafelt.

Also its Mullaghmore not Mullackmore isn't it?

Fugh that.
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: Rossfan on October 21, 2015, 11:26:16 AM
If the Normans/English/Brits hadn't bastardised our lovely Gaeilge placenames with phonetic efforts of spelling we'd  be able to figure out how to pronounce them correctly.
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: BennyCake on October 21, 2015, 11:41:07 AM
Moortin' - Moortown
Co'liland - Coalisland
Thon bigoted Unionist hellhole - Lisburn
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: nrico2006 on October 21, 2015, 11:55:29 AM
Only recently realised I say Lisburn wrong, I've always pronounced it Lizburn.
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: illdecide on October 21, 2015, 12:01:01 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 21, 2015, 11:55:29 AM
Only recently realised I say Lisburn wrong, I've always pronounced it Lizburn.

Or as we in Lurgan call it...Lizbourne
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: Pub Bore on October 21, 2015, 01:29:17 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 21, 2015, 11:55:29 AM
Only recently realised I say Lisburn wrong, I've always pronounced it Lizburn.

Yes, should be Liss-burn
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: general_lee on October 21, 2015, 01:36:47 PM
Quote from: Pub Bore on October 21, 2015, 01:29:17 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 21, 2015, 11:55:29 AM
Only recently realised I say Lisburn wrong, I've always pronounced it Lizburn.

Yes, should be Liss-burn
Never heard it called that.

Killean in South Armagh is pronounced like the name Cillian.

Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: rosnarun on October 21, 2015, 02:52:43 PM
easier way to get 'Correct' pronounciation is to look at Irish Version and see where the bastardization come from
But then again a living Language will constantly change and evolve
as was said Balla in mayo is pronounced BAAL and Ballaghaderren in the Occupied territory is pronounced BALLA.
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: seafoid on October 21, 2015, 02:58:05 PM
Quote from: ThroughTheLaces on October 20, 2015, 09:27:59 PM
Unless you are from a certain local area, when you see a place written down it can be hard to know how that place is pronounced. Are there many places around you where this is the case?

For example in Derry we have Ballerin. Written down looks like it should be 'ba-la-rin' where it is actually 'ba-LEER-in'.

Can be awkward enough chatting to people and pronouncing somewhere close to them completely wrong!

Any places that stand out in terms of how they are written and how they are pronounced?
That's more of  a NI problem where the signs are just in English. The Irish version is a big help.
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: leenie on October 21, 2015, 03:12:02 PM
Quote from: ONeill on October 20, 2015, 10:16:02 PM
Augher, Clogher, Finaghy.

Me: A her, Cloh her, Fin a he
Wife: Ackher, Clockher, Finaky.


a her ... ?

It's proper pronounacation is just like frank Mitchell's clue on weather watchers ...

'When you show sympathy towards a woman '

Aww her
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: Clov on October 21, 2015, 03:22:25 PM
Quote from: general_lee on October 21, 2015, 01:36:47 PM
Quote from: Pub Bore on October 21, 2015, 01:29:17 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 21, 2015, 11:55:29 AM
Only recently realised I say Lisburn wrong, I've always pronounced it Lizburn.

Yes, should be Liss-burn
Never heard it called that.

Killean in South Armagh is pronounced like the name Cillian.

I've only every heard it pronounced Kill-yin
2 syllables rather than 3.
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: charlieTully on October 21, 2015, 03:26:51 PM
always heard loughall as lough gall until worked in Armagh, they call it lougalll, as if no h in it all.
Have a Scottish colleague, when he started working with us he was sent to a call in Galbally, was quite funny hearing him calling it Gal belly. of course no one corrected him, just laughed at him.
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on October 21, 2015, 03:40:47 PM
Quote from: Clov on October 21, 2015, 03:22:25 PM
Quote from: general_lee on October 21, 2015, 01:36:47 PM
Quote from: Pub Bore on October 21, 2015, 01:29:17 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 21, 2015, 11:55:29 AM
Only recently realised I say Lisburn wrong, I've always pronounced it Lizburn.

Yes, should be Liss-burn
Never heard it called that.

Killean in South Armagh is pronounced like the name Cillian.

I've only every heard it pronounced Kill-yin
2 syllables rather than 3.

Definitely, Cill-i-an and Kill-yin.
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: muppet on October 21, 2015, 04:56:36 PM
Charlestown - Some locals pronounces it Char - less - town.
Bonniconlon - Bunny - conlon
Currane - Cur - awn
Croke Patrick - Cro' Patrick
Aghleam - Ach - Léim as in the Irish version
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: general_lee on October 21, 2015, 05:04:44 PM
Quote from: Clov on October 21, 2015, 03:22:25 PM
Quote from: general_lee on October 21, 2015, 01:36:47 PM
Quote from: Pub Bore on October 21, 2015, 01:29:17 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 21, 2015, 11:55:29 AM
Only recently realised I say Lisburn wrong, I've always pronounced it Lizburn.

Yes, should be Liss-burn
Never heard it called that.

Killean in South Armagh is pronounced like the name Cillian.

I've only every heard it pronounced Kill-yin
2 syllables rather than 3.
I said like the name Cillian... As opposed to kill-een the way some people say it.
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: Orior on October 21, 2015, 05:54:16 PM
Quote from: muppet on October 21, 2015, 04:56:36 PM
Charlestown - Some locals pronounces it Char - less - town.
Bonniconlon - Bunny - conlon
Currane - Cur - awn
Croke Patrick - Cro' Patrick
Aghleam - Ach - Léim as in the Irish version

My Mum calls big ears 'Prince Char-less'. Seems to be quite common I thought.
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: muppet on October 21, 2015, 05:55:49 PM
Quote from: Orior on October 21, 2015, 05:54:16 PM
Quote from: muppet on October 21, 2015, 04:56:36 PM
Charlestown - Some locals pronounces it Char - less - town.
Bonniconlon - Bunny - conlon
Currane - Cur - awn
Croke Patrick - Cro' Patrick
Aghleam - Ach - Léim as in the Irish version

My Mum calls big ears 'Prince Char-less'. Seems to be quite common I thought.

That's not a nice thing to say about your poor Ma!  :D ;)
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: BennyCake on October 21, 2015, 06:06:23 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on October 21, 2015, 03:26:51 PM
always heard loughall as lough gall until worked in Armagh, they call it lougalll, as if no h in it all.
Have a Scottish colleague, when he started working with us he was sent to a call in Galbally, was quite funny hearing him calling it Gal belly. of course no one corrected him, just laughed at him.

It is Loughgall, not Loughall.
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: Pub Bore on October 21, 2015, 06:17:54 PM
Ballymena...often pronounced Black Hole
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: charlieTully on October 21, 2015, 07:32:29 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on October 21, 2015, 06:06:23 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on October 21, 2015, 03:26:51 PM
always heard loughall as lough gall until worked in Armagh, they call it lougalll, as if no h in it all.
Have a Scottish colleague, when he started working with us he was sent to a call in Galbally, was quite funny hearing him calling it Gal belly. of course no one corrected him, just laughed at him.

It is Loughgall, not Loughall.

sorry, typo. Hear oul ones refer to Portadown as Portedown all the time too.
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: Farrandeelin on October 21, 2015, 07:36:52 PM
Quote from: muppet on October 21, 2015, 04:56:36 PM
Charlestown - Some locals pronounces it Char - less - town.
Bonniconlon - Bunny - conlon

Currane - Cur - awn
Croke Patrick - Cro' Patrick
Aghleam - Ach - Léim as in the Irish version

Sure it's how I pronounce them...

Some people pronounce Swinford as 'Swinsford'. ;D
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: maggie on October 21, 2015, 08:00:00 PM
Is it 'the moy' or moy?

Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: BennyCake on October 21, 2015, 08:02:37 PM
Quote from: maggie on October 21, 2015, 08:00:00 PM
Is it 'the moy' or moy?

Never heard it called anything but The Moy.
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: Maguire01 on October 21, 2015, 08:17:22 PM
Quote from: Pub Bore on October 21, 2015, 06:17:54 PM
Ballymena...often pronounced Black Hole
Or Ballamena. Hi.
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: Tubberman on October 21, 2015, 08:34:25 PM
Quote from: muppet on October 21, 2015, 04:56:36 PM
Charlestown - Some locals pronounces it Char - less - town.
Bonniconlon - Bunny - conlon
Currane - Cur - awn
Croke Patrick - Cro' Patrick
Aghleam - Ach - Léim as in the Irish version

But it's Croagh Patrick, not Croke.
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: muppet on October 21, 2015, 08:36:19 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on October 21, 2015, 08:34:25 PM
Quote from: muppet on October 21, 2015, 04:56:36 PM
Charlestown - Some locals pronounces it Char - less - town.
Bonniconlon - Bunny - conlon
Currane - Cur - awn
Croke Patrick - Cro' Patrick
Aghleam - Ach - Léim as in the Irish version

But it's Croagh Patrick, not Croke.

You are right. Football on the brain (or brian if I let auto-correct do its thing).
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: Orior on October 21, 2015, 08:43:20 PM
Why is Toome called Toomebridge?
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: ThroughTheLaces on October 21, 2015, 09:27:05 PM
Moneyneany in Derry pronounced Moneyneena.
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 21, 2015, 10:00:50 PM
Quote from: Orior on October 21, 2015, 08:43:20 PM
Why is Toome called Toomebridge?

Because there is a bridge there
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: Farrandeelin on October 21, 2015, 10:13:27 PM
For a long time I pronounced Edinburgh the same way as Louisburgh...
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: muppet on October 21, 2015, 10:48:49 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 21, 2015, 10:13:27 PM
For a long time I pronounced Edinburgh the same way as Louisburgh...

?????

So in a quiz if you were asked:

Where is Murrayfield?

You would say: Louisburgh!
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: Orior on October 21, 2015, 10:50:59 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 21, 2015, 10:00:50 PM
Quote from: Orior on October 21, 2015, 08:43:20 PM
Why is Toome called Toomebridge?

Because there is a bridge there

Ah okay. What about Drogheda - can I call it Drogheda Bridges?
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: Rossfan on October 21, 2015, 11:13:52 PM
Quote from: Orior on October 21, 2015, 10:50:59 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 21, 2015, 10:00:50 PM
Quote from: Orior on October 21, 2015, 08:43:20 PM
Why is Toome called Toomebridge?

Because there is a bridge there

Ah okay. What about Drogheda - can I call it Drogheda Bridges?
Droghed is bastardised droichead so no need to add bridges ;)
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: omaghjoe on October 22, 2015, 07:44:32 AM
Quote from: ONeill on October 20, 2015, 09:58:33 PM
Gortin - are there many other tin=chin

Probably 290.

Gortin parish has no shortage of flamboyant townland names.. here is selection of some of favourites

Altacamcosy - alta-cam-cusey
Alwories - al-wurys
Carnaransey - car-nan-ran-sey
Binnafreaghan ben-na-frei-han
Aghnamirigan ach-na-merg-in
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: take_yer_points on October 22, 2015, 10:00:17 AM
Had an American friend over a few years back for a wedding in Fintona (Fint-na to me, Fin-tone-a to him - as in Daytona)
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: JoG2 on October 22, 2015, 10:08:12 AM
Chicago - Chicargo
Londonderry - Derry (a silent London)
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: thewobbler on October 22, 2015, 10:13:57 AM
I doubt there's a single person in the world would say "Clog" the first time they come across it being spelled as "Cloghogue".

Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: illdecide on October 22, 2015, 10:39:20 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on October 21, 2015, 07:32:29 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on October 21, 2015, 06:06:23 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on October 21, 2015, 03:26:51 PM
always heard loughall as lough gall until worked in Armagh, they call it lougalll, as if no h in it all.
Have a Scottish colleague, when he started working with us he was sent to a call in Galbally, was quite funny hearing him calling it Gal belly. of course no one corrected him, just laughed at him.

It is Loughgall, not Loughall.

sorry, typo. Hear oul ones refer to Portadown as Portedown all the time too.

Dorty Portydown
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: 5 Sams on October 22, 2015, 11:17:06 AM
Meigh. Some say "Mike" others say "My".
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: gallsman on October 22, 2015, 01:16:08 PM
Surely the most ridiculous is people pronouncing Ballinascreen as "Draperstown".
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: deiseach on October 22, 2015, 01:35:50 PM
There's a townland near Tramore called Cloghernagh, pronounced Clurna.

I note there are a few clubs up and down the country that use the name Geraldines, after Lord Edward FitzGerald in the case of the Dublin one (http://www.geraldinesgaa.ie/about-us/), which I would imagine is typical. Do they, or any of the others, pronounce it like the Waterford one: Grr-al-dyns (as opposed to Jur-al-deens)?
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: mouview on October 22, 2015, 02:10:47 PM
What is the correct pronunciation of Kilmacanogue in Wicklow?

A townland in Galway, Boyounagh, is usually pronounced Beev-na
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: AZOffaly on October 22, 2015, 02:13:50 PM
Quote from: mouview on October 22, 2015, 02:10:47 PM
What is the correct pronunciation of Kilmacanogue in Wicklow?

A townland in Galway, Boyounagh, is usually pronounced Beev-na

Kill-mac-an-ig is how I've heard it.
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: gallsman on October 22, 2015, 02:31:01 PM
Kill-ma-can-ug is how I'd do that one!
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: Canalman on October 22, 2015, 03:49:05 PM
Quote from: mouview on October 22, 2015, 02:10:47 PM
What is the correct pronunciation of Kilmacanogue in Wicklow?

A townland in Galway, Boyounagh, is usually pronounced Beev-na


Kill mechanic.
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: Orior on October 22, 2015, 04:07:43 PM
We've an obvious one: Clone-iss instead of Clones
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: AZOffaly on October 22, 2015, 04:10:31 PM
In Offaly a lot of us say 'Tellamore' instead of 'Tullamore'
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: DownFanatic on October 22, 2015, 04:10:46 PM
In Down,

Attical is Att-ee-call.

Have heard outsiders pronounce it Att-ic-kill.
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: mouview on October 22, 2015, 04:28:56 PM
Quote from: Canalman on October 22, 2015, 03:49:05 PM
Quote from: mouview on October 22, 2015, 02:10:47 PM
What is the correct pronunciation of Kilmacanogue in Wicklow?

A townland in Galway, Boyounagh, is usually pronounced Beev-na


Kill mechanic.

Ya, heard it said that way, it's why I asked....
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: AZOffaly on October 22, 2015, 04:33:43 PM
Quote from: Canalman on October 22, 2015, 03:49:05 PM
Quote from: mouview on October 22, 2015, 02:10:47 PM
What is the correct pronunciation of Kilmacanogue in Wicklow?

A townland in Galway, Boyounagh, is usually pronounced Beev-na


Kill mechanic.

Sorry, that's a much better way of what I was saying. Except I've heard it with the g at the end istead of the c.
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: muppet on October 22, 2015, 06:47:43 PM
How would non-Mayo people pronounce 'Lahardane'?
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: ONeill on October 22, 2015, 10:37:19 PM
Quote from: muppet on October 22, 2015, 06:47:43 PM
How would non-Mayo people pronounce 'Lahardane'?

Addergoole.
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: Orior on October 22, 2015, 10:56:07 PM
Mayo.

Some people emphasize the 'May', while others emphasise 'o'.
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: muppet on October 22, 2015, 10:56:32 PM
Quote from: ONeill on October 22, 2015, 10:37:19 PM
Quote from: muppet on October 22, 2015, 06:47:43 PM
How would non-Mayo people pronounce 'Lahardane'?

Addergoole.

Addergoogle
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: ONeill on October 22, 2015, 11:02:19 PM
Quote from: Orior on October 22, 2015, 10:56:07 PM
Mayo.

Some people emphasize the 'May', while others emphasise 'o'.

I'd be heavy on the oh
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: ONeill on October 22, 2015, 11:03:06 PM
Slay go or Sly go
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: armaghniac on October 22, 2015, 11:13:23 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 22, 2015, 10:13:57 AM
I doubt there's a single person in the world would say "Clog" the first time they come across it being spelled as "Cloghogue".

yet if you take the place clogh or clough and add hog (as in American) and say it reasonably quickly you get it spot on.
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: Rossfan on October 22, 2015, 11:13:48 PM
Quote from: Orior on October 22, 2015, 10:56:07 PM
Mayo.

Some people emphasize the 'May', while others emphasise 'o'.
Mee yò with a stress on the yò is how us ordinary folk say it.
People who try to be lawdeedaw go short on both syllables.
Probably the 2 most mispronounced towns in Ireland are Elphin and Mohill.
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: Eamonnca1 on October 23, 2015, 07:48:29 AM
Great thread.

Magheralin is pronounced by all the locals around Lurgan as "Maralin," stress on the last syllable.

Where I grew up there's these single-lane roads running through what used to be the bogs and they connect two main roads like a ladder. The small roads are called ramparts, because they were higher than the ground that was excavated (they've settled a bit since then). They have names like Pier Rampart, Hall Rampart, Bay Rampart etc. The "rampart" is pronounced by all the locals as "ramper."
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: MoChara on October 23, 2015, 08:29:38 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 22, 2015, 11:13:48 PM
Quote from: Orior on October 22, 2015, 10:56:07 PM
Mayo.

Some people emphasize the 'May', while others emphasise 'o'.
Mee yò with a stress on the yò is how us ordinary folk say it.
People who try to be lawdeedaw go short on both syllables.
Probably the 2 most mispronounced towns in Ireland are Elphin and Mohill.

I'd say that as Moehiiill, but I base that entirely on Christy Moore lol
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: gallsman on October 23, 2015, 08:41:06 AM
Keady

Kay-dee or Kee-dee?
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: DennistheMenace on October 23, 2015, 09:04:37 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on October 23, 2015, 07:48:29 AM
Great thread.

Magheralin is pronounced by all the locals around Lurgan as "Maralin," stress on the last syllable.

Where I grew up there's these single-lane roads running through what used to be the bogs and they connect two main roads like a ladder. The small roads are called ramparts, because they were higher than the ground that was excavated (they've settled a bit since then). They have names like Pier Rampart, Hall Rampart, Bay Rampart etc. The "rampart" is pronounced by all the locals as "ramper."

The same as Magherafelt then.
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: Rossfan on October 23, 2015, 11:12:54 AM
Quote from: MoChara on October 23, 2015, 08:29:38 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 22, 2015, 11:13:48 PM

Probably the 2 most mispronounced towns in Ireland are Elphin and Mohill.

I'd say that as Moehiiill, but I base that entirely on Christy Moore lol

First syllable pronounced as in the Gaeilge for "my" -- MO and then add the sound of the letter L.
Who the fcuk calls Shliigo "SLAYGO"????
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: 5 Sams on October 23, 2015, 11:17:43 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 23, 2015, 11:12:54 AM
Quote from: MoChara on October 23, 2015, 08:29:38 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 22, 2015, 11:13:48 PM

Probably the 2 most mispronounced towns in Ireland are Elphin and Mohill.

I'd say that as Moehiiill, but I base that entirely on Christy Moore lol

First syllable pronounced as in the Gaeilge for "my" -- MO and then add the sound of the letter L.
Who the fcuk calls Shliigo "SLAYGO"????

Peter Canavan
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: Tony Baloney on October 23, 2015, 12:49:34 PM
Quote from: gallsman on October 23, 2015, 08:41:06 AM
Keady

Kay-dee or Kee-dee?
Kaydy in Armagh. Mostly Kee-dee elsewhere from what I have heard.
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: rosnarun on October 23, 2015, 02:23:15 PM
Swanlinbar is it Swanlin bar or Swan-lin-bar or even Swalin-bar
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: Rossfan on October 23, 2015, 02:31:26 PM
Quote from: hardstation on October 23, 2015, 11:51:38 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 23, 2015, 11:12:54 AM
Who the fcuk calls Shliigo "SLAYGO"????
Tyrone people.

Enough said ::)
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: Hardy on October 23, 2015, 02:33:57 PM
Drohadda (emphasis on the first syllable) to the generality, Drawda to the locals, Drog-heeda to whoever directed The Thorn Birds.
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: Pub Bore on October 23, 2015, 03:07:13 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on October 23, 2015, 02:23:15 PM
Swanlinbar is it Swanlin bar or Swan-lin-bar or even Swalin-bar

Swod - rhymes with God
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: Farrandeelin on October 23, 2015, 05:57:45 PM
Gneeveguilia in Kerry. Probably spelt wrong... How is it ptonounced. I've heard Ginnygillya from a college mate of mine from Tralee.
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: AZOffaly on October 23, 2015, 06:38:46 PM
Yep. Pronounced like Guinea Gwilla
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: 5 Sams on October 23, 2015, 11:03:25 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 23, 2015, 06:38:46 PM
Yep. Pronounced like Guinea Gwilla

Yep. Sin é. Home of Rosie O'Donovan.
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: ONeill on October 23, 2015, 11:07:49 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 23, 2015, 11:12:54 AM
Quote from: MoChara on October 23, 2015, 08:29:38 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 22, 2015, 11:13:48 PM

Probably the 2 most mispronounced towns in Ireland are Elphin and Mohill.

I'd say that as Moehiiill, but I base that entirely on Christy Moore lol

First syllable pronounced as in the Gaeilge for "my" -- MO and then add the sound of the letter L.
Who the fcuk calls Shliigo "SLAYGO"????

Aye I'd say Slaygo.
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: ONeill on October 23, 2015, 11:11:18 PM
Maghaberry
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: gallsman on October 23, 2015, 11:50:54 PM
Quote from: ONeill on October 23, 2015, 11:11:18 PM
Maghaberry

Muh-gav-ry
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: ONeill on October 23, 2015, 11:56:50 PM
ma-ga-bree?
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: 5 Sams on October 24, 2015, 12:01:01 AM
Ballyholland ;)
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: UpMeeyo on October 24, 2015, 12:15:59 AM
Ramelton,
Tinryland,

had an english friend pronounce ennistymon as ennis-tee-mo as if it was french in origin.
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: Eamonnca1 on October 24, 2015, 08:37:12 AM
For years I thought there was a jail named after someone called McGabrey.
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: Arthur_Friend on October 24, 2015, 10:40:56 AM
Creggy Road
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: mrhardyannual on October 24, 2015, 03:26:04 PM
Muckanaghederdauhaulia, Co. Galway
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: BennyCake on October 24, 2015, 04:46:24 PM
Quote from: mrhardyannual on October 24, 2015, 03:26:04 PM
Muckanaghederdauhaulia, Co. Galway

Now there's a contender for the longest place name in ireland.
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: Rossfan on October 24, 2015, 05:36:31 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on October 24, 2015, 04:46:24 PM
Quote from: mrhardyannual on October 24, 2015, 03:26:04 PM
Muckanaghederdauhaulia, Co. Galway

Now there's a contender for the longest place name in ireland.
I believe it is.
Its proper name is Muiceanach idir Dhà Shàile.
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: Eamonnca1 on October 24, 2015, 09:05:56 PM
What's the story with Tallaght? I've only ever heard it with a silent T at the end but I hear that people from the place pronounce the T.
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: illdecide on October 24, 2015, 09:38:42 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on October 24, 2015, 09:05:56 PM
What's the story with Tallaght? I've only ever heard it with a silent T at the end but I hear that people from the place pronounce the T.

Not a tall ;D
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: muppet on October 24, 2015, 10:03:18 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on October 24, 2015, 09:05:56 PM
What's the story with Tallaght? I've only ever heard it with a silent T at the end but I hear that people from the place pronounce the T.

If they didn't pronounce any 'T' they would say they were from Allah.

That would go down well where you live!
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: Canalman on October 24, 2015, 11:20:44 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on October 24, 2015, 09:05:56 PM
What's the story with Tallaght? I've only ever heard it with a silent T at the end but I hear that people from the place pronounce the T.

Don't think that's the case.

Still hear RTE traffic guys mispronouncing Jobstown in Tallaght alot though.
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: Farrandeelin on October 25, 2015, 11:23:52 AM
Jobstown is pronounced like Job from the bible right? As in Jobe?
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: Orior on October 26, 2015, 06:36:35 PM
Grosvenor, as in Grosvenor Grammar School in Belfast. Once again they struggled to put a MacRory cup team together.

The 's' is silent.

PS. I always like the pneumonia which a silent P, as in swimming pool.
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: 5 Sams on October 26, 2015, 06:55:58 PM
Belvoir in Belfast.

(http://www.nationalgeographic.com/lewisandclark/images/species/high_242.jpg)
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: heganboy on October 26, 2015, 07:22:46 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on October 26, 2015, 06:55:58 PM
Belvoir in Belfast.

(http://www.nationalgeographic.com/lewisandclark/images/species/high_242.jpg)

not the picture i was expecting as an illustration...

there's a roadsign on the way into Belfast which has Giant's Ring one way, and Belvoir the other. The 10 year old in me thinks that's the funniest thing ever.
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: tc_manchester on October 27, 2015, 08:19:41 AM
my wife (who is from Limerick) pronounces Tyrone as Tie Rone. I corrected her for the first 10 years but have now given up.  :-\

my grandparents generation pronouced Omagh as Omey but I haven't heard that used for a while
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: general_lee on October 27, 2015, 08:59:37 AM
Have heard Ballyholland pronounced wrongly.

Slaughtneil - is it "slackt" or "slawt" ?
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: BennyCake on October 27, 2015, 11:36:53 AM
Quote from: tc_manchester on October 27, 2015, 08:19:41 AM
my wife (who is from Limerick) pronounces Tyrone as Tie Rone. I corrected her for the first 10 years but have now given up.  :-\

my grandparents generation pronouced Omagh as Omey but I haven't heard that used for a while

And the lesson here is?...
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: 5 Sams on October 27, 2015, 11:38:49 AM
Used to work with a lad from Tummery. (Chumry)
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: 5 Sams on October 27, 2015, 11:39:58 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on October 27, 2015, 11:36:53 AM
Quote from: tc_manchester on October 27, 2015, 08:19:41 AM
my wife (who is from Limerick) pronounces Tyrone as Tie Rone. I corrected her for the first 10 years but have now given up.  :-\

my grandparents generation pronouced Omagh as Omey but I haven't heard that used for a while

And the lesson here is?...

His Grandparents' Grandparents were probably Irish speakers.
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: Rossfan on October 27, 2015, 11:42:37 AM
Quote from: tc_manchester on October 27, 2015, 08:19:41 AM
my wife (who is from Limerick) pronounces Tyrone as Tie Rone. I corrected her for the first 10 years but have now given up.  :-\

my grandparents generation pronouced Omagh as Omey but I haven't heard that used for a while
The Munsters all seem to call it Tie rone.
I often heard a song called "Sweet Omey Town".
Again go back to the Gaeilge - Tír Eoghain and Óghmaigh(SP?)
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: 5 Sams on October 27, 2015, 11:47:18 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 27, 2015, 11:42:37 AM
Quote from: tc_manchester on October 27, 2015, 08:19:41 AM
my wife (who is from Limerick) pronounces Tyrone as Tie Rone. I corrected her for the first 10 years but have now given up.  :-\

my grandparents generation pronouced Omagh as Omey but I haven't heard that used for a while
The Munsters all seem to call it Tie rone.
I often heard a song called "Sweet Omey Town".
Again go back to the Gaeilge - Tír Eoghain and Óghmaigh(SP?)

Our southern brethren also pronounce place names such as Ballymena, etc as BALLYmena whereas we say Ballamena.
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: Rossfan on October 27, 2015, 11:55:20 AM
Us Westerners also pronounce our Ballys ;)
Do ye lot not call it Bollomena?
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: AZOffaly on October 27, 2015, 12:34:24 PM
Was there not a big song there when football was invented that pronounced it Tie - Rone? Come On Ty-Rone, Come On Ty-Rone, Ty-Rone. Something like that?
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: ONeill on October 27, 2015, 01:29:06 PM
Jaysus don't be bringing that up.
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: AZOffaly on October 27, 2015, 01:30:01 PM
Well given that's the first anyone down here had heard of ye maybe that's why it's pronounced like that :D
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: ONeill on October 27, 2015, 01:35:19 PM
We could've picked a better inspiration for a terrace chant than Gary Glitter in hindsight.
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: armaghniac on October 27, 2015, 07:50:35 PM
Quote from: general_lee on October 27, 2015, 08:59:37 AM
Have heard Ballyholland pronounced wrongly.

Emphasis on the middle "hole" syllable 

Belvoir is a good one, a French word wrecked by "proper" English pronunciation. Why should it be greatly different from Bellevue?
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: Farrandeelin on October 27, 2015, 08:05:07 PM
Going off topic, but I don't like the way there are anglicised places that have absolutely nothing to do with the Gaelic version at all.

Edgeworthstown - Meathas Troim, I know the GAA team is Mostrim. Manorhamilton - Cluainín another; and not too far from me, Foxford - Béal Easa, although there is a townland Bellass near it. Louisburgh another one - it's Irish version is Cluan Cearbán.
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: BennyCake on October 27, 2015, 08:36:44 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 27, 2015, 12:34:24 PM
Was there not a big song there when football was invented that pronounced it Tie - Rone? Come On Ty-Rone, Come On Ty-Rone, Ty-Rone. Something like that?

Aye, and they were going to bring the Sam Maguire home... But not until 3 of their neighbours had done so first.
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: maggie on October 27, 2015, 08:49:48 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 27, 2015, 01:30:01 PM
Well given that's the first anyone down here had heard of ye maybe that's why it's pronounced like that :D

Yea whereas people from the county pronounce it minus the y. PGTs speech-its time to take sam to  T'rone
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: Hardy on October 27, 2015, 10:24:10 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 27, 2015, 08:05:07 PM
Going off topic, but I don't like the way there are anglicised places that have absolutely nothing to do with the Gaelic version at all.

Edgeworthstown - Meathas Troim, I know the GAA team is Mostrim. Manorhamilton - Cluainín another; and not too far from me, Foxford - Béal Easa, although there is a townland Bellass near it. Louisburgh another one - it's Irish version is Cluan Cearbán.

My Friend Drumroosk is another one (copyright Flann O'Brien).
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: muppet on October 28, 2015, 05:38:05 PM
Quote from: maggie on October 27, 2015, 08:49:48 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 27, 2015, 01:30:01 PM
Well given that's the first anyone down here had heard of ye maybe that's why it's pronounced like that :D

Yea whereas people from the county pronounce it minus the y. PGTs speech-its time to take sam to  T'rone

Does he not pronounce it 'Throne'?
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: Farrandeelin on October 28, 2015, 05:43:58 PM
PGT or PTG? ;)
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: muppet on October 28, 2015, 06:03:22 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 28, 2015, 05:43:58 PM
PGT or PTG? ;)

(https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pgtips.co.uk%2FSkins%2FPGTips%2Fimages%2FfacebookDefault.png&f=1)

Throne's greatest footballer.  :D
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: seafoid on October 28, 2015, 06:33:57 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 27, 2015, 08:05:07 PM
Going off topic, but I don't like the way there are anglicised places that have absolutely nothing to do with the Gaelic version at all.

Edgeworthstown - Meathas Troim, I know the GAA team is Mostrim. Manorhamilton - Cluainín another; and not too far from me, Foxford - Béal Easa, although there is a townland Bellass near it. Louisburgh another one - it's Irish version is Cluan Cearbán.
Cluainín is a great name.

I suppose a lot of landlord town names came in English only and a few still survive like Louisburgh. The north would have a lot more of them.
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: Rossfan on October 28, 2015, 07:03:11 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 28, 2015, 06:33:57 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 27, 2015, 08:05:07 PM
Going off topic, but I don't like the way there are anglicised places that have absolutely nothing to do with the Gaelic version at all.

.

I suppose a lot of landlord town names came in English only and a few still survive like Louisburgh. The north would have a lot more of them.
We have Frenchpark for Dùn Gar
Castlecoote for Baile Mhic Oireachtaigh
Cootehall for Uachtar Tíre.
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: Owenmoresider on October 28, 2015, 07:48:36 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 27, 2015, 08:05:07 PM
Going off topic, but I don't like the way there are anglicised places that have absolutely nothing to do with the Gaelic version at all.

Edgeworthstown - Meathas Troim, I know the GAA team is Mostrim. Manorhamilton - Cluainín another; and not too far from me, Foxford - Béal Easa, although there is a townland Bellass near it. Louisburgh another one - it's Irish version is Cluan Cearbán.
Mountbellew (An Creagán) is another, as is Newmarket-on-Fergus (Cora Chaitlín).

Pretty sure Clooneen is a townland in the vicinity of Manor which gave the Irish name. Wiki gives the following re Mostrim/Edgeworthstown:
QuoteThe area was named Edgeworthstown in the 19th century after the Anglo-Irish Edgeworth family. An estate was built there by Richard Lovell Edgeworth. His family—which includes Honora Sneyd, his second wife, novelist Maria Edgeworth, botanist Michael Pakenham Edgeworth, economist Francis Ysidro Edgeworth, and priest Henry Essex Edgeworth—lived at the estate.

The area's original name was the Irish Meathas Troim or Meathas Truim. This was anglicized as Mastrim, Mostrim, and so forth. These names continued to be used by the locals. In 1935, at the behest of the local Town Tenants' Association, Longford County Council officially changed the town's name to Mostrim.[2] However, in 1974, a local government order reverted the name to Edgeworthstown.[3] Today, both names are in use.
For a long time until they starting updating the stations recently enough the train station on the Sligo/Dublin line went by Mostrim.
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: Farrandeelin on October 28, 2015, 08:27:26 PM
Sixmilebridge is another, Droichead Abhann Uí gCearnaigh as Gaeilge.
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: 5 Sams on October 28, 2015, 09:25:01 PM
Cúl an tSúdaire
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: Rossfan on October 28, 2015, 09:27:03 PM
Castlehaven in Cork is really Gleann Bearachàn (so?).
what about Donegal's St Johnston, New town Cunningham, Manorcunningham?
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: muppet on October 28, 2015, 09:35:26 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on October 28, 2015, 09:25:01 PM
Cúl an tSúdaire

Where's that?

I know the name from the train or somewhere. Portarlington or Clara???
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: Farrandeelin on October 28, 2015, 09:40:41 PM
Quote from: muppet on October 28, 2015, 09:35:26 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on October 28, 2015, 09:25:01 PM
Cúl an tSúdaire

Where's that?

I know the name from the train or somewhere. Portarlington or Clara???
Portarlington.
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: Farrandeelin on October 28, 2015, 09:41:19 PM
Léim an Bhradáin
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: AZOffaly on October 28, 2015, 10:50:06 PM
Rochfortbridge in Westmeath is another. Droichead Caislean Loiste in Irish.

Newport in tipp, where I live now, is Tulach Sheasta. But I've started seeing Port Nua on signs now.
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: seafoid on October 28, 2015, 10:55:45 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 28, 2015, 07:03:11 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 28, 2015, 06:33:57 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 27, 2015, 08:05:07 PM
Going off topic, but I don't like the way there are anglicised places that have absolutely nothing to do with the Gaelic version at all.

.

I suppose a lot of landlord town names came in English only and a few still survive like Louisburgh. The north would have a lot more of them.
We have Frenchpark for Dùn Gar
Castlecoote for Baile Mhic Oireachtaigh
Cootehall for Uachtar Tíre.

Cootehall was mentioned a good bit in Woodbrook. Great book and home of Carrick GC now.
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: Rossfan on October 28, 2015, 11:32:48 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 28, 2015, 10:50:06 PM
.

Newport in tipp, where I live now, is Tulach Sheasta. But I've started seeing Port Nua on signs now.
No doubt some nerdy gobsh1te on Google translate :-[
Did anyone see a sign alleged to be in Dùn Laoghaire which says-
"Look right
Féach Ceart".
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: armaghniac on October 28, 2015, 11:39:05 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 28, 2015, 09:41:19 PM
Léim an Bhradáin

Wikipedia states is something I didn't know
"The placename comes from the Old Norse Lax Hlaup which means "salmon leap". The name in Irish (Léim an Bhradáin) is a direct translation of this, and was first adopted in the 1890s."

I imagine the salmon were there before the Vikings came, so I would have expected an older name.

How about Cill Dhéagláin?
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: Owenmoresider on October 29, 2015, 12:17:33 AM
A few more:

Newmarket (Cork) - Ath Trasna
Midleton - Mainistir na Corann
Charleville - Ráth Luirc or An Ráth
Dingle - Daingean Uí Chúis
Kenmare - An Neidín
Silvermines - Béal Átha Gabhann
Wicklow - Cill Mhantáin
Roundwood - an Tóchar
Blessington - Baile Coimín
Arklow - An tInbhear Mór
Enfield - An Bóthar Buí
Castlebaldwin - Béal Átha na gCarraigíní
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: Farrandeelin on October 29, 2015, 12:32:39 AM
Isn't Dungloe's translation An Clochán Liath?
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: Eamonnca1 on October 29, 2015, 03:30:23 AM
Newtownards.  For years I'd see the road signs and think "New-TOWN-ards." Took me a while to figure out it was the "Newton-ARDS" they talked about on the wireless.
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: Hardy on October 29, 2015, 08:35:11 AM
Just in my little corner of East Meath we have Bellewstown (Sliabh Bhaile na gCailleach but now appearing on signs as "Baile an Bheileogaigh"), Gormanston, Julianstown and (I kid you not) Mount Hanover. The original Irish names for these are lost as far as I know and the "official" Irish versions are now also gaelicised from English ("Baile Iuliáin", etc.) in a bizarre circle of linguistic confusion.
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: Hardy on October 29, 2015, 08:37:39 AM
Oh - and we also have Beauparc. Don't ask me.
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: AZOffaly on October 29, 2015, 10:08:27 AM
Waterville in Kerry is an Coireán. I think that means the 'crescent' and must relate to the shape of the bay seafront there.
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: seafoid on October 29, 2015, 10:59:51 AM
Quote from: Hardy on October 29, 2015, 08:37:39 AM
Oh - and we also have Beauparc. Don't ask me.
name of a landlord's pad
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: johnneycool on October 29, 2015, 11:10:33 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on October 29, 2015, 03:30:23 AM
Newtownards.  For years I'd see the road signs and think "New-TOWN-ards." Took me a while to figure out it was the "Newton-ARDS" they talked about on the wireless.

Sometimes its just 'Newton', other times just 'Ards' and its full title is "Newtown- Nards", the double N sound in the middle is very nasally important.

Another word, Demense, pronounced "Da-mains" locally, I presume it is a Norman word, no?
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: AZOffaly on October 29, 2015, 11:17:39 AM
Quote from: johnneycool on October 29, 2015, 11:10:33 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on October 29, 2015, 03:30:23 AM
Newtownards.  For years I'd see the road signs and think "New-TOWN-ards." Took me a while to figure out it was the "Newton-ARDS" they talked about on the wireless.

Sometimes its just 'Newton', other times just 'Ards' and its full title is "Newtown- Nards", the double N sound in the middle is very nasally important.

Another word, Demense, pronounced "Da-mains" locally, I presume it is a Norman word, no?

Demesne is a standard word. It's like the 'estate'. Belvedere Demesne, Kinnity Demesne.
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: muppet on October 29, 2015, 11:19:08 AM
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Newtownards.  For years I'd see the road signs and think "New-TOWN-ards." Took me a while to figure out it was the "Newton-ARDS" they talked about on the wireless.

Sometimes its just 'Newton', other times just 'Ards' and its full title is "Newtown- Nards", the double N sound in the middle is very nasally important.

Another word, Demense, pronounced "Da-mains" locally, I presume it is a Norman word, no?

Demesne is a standard word. It's like the 'estate'. Belvedere Demesne, Kinnity Demesne.

As in 'Demesne man'?
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: Farrandeelin on October 29, 2015, 12:49:39 PM
It's sad (to me anyway) the 'proper' form of Irish isn't used on the signs, instead of this Béarlachas, which is becoming more and more regular in primary schools, but that's for another day's work. I mean a placename is a placename, and it shouldn't be watered down. OK, rant over! Also Hollymount is Maolla in Irish. I suppose someday soon we'll have Sliabh na gCuillin. >:(
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: mouview on October 29, 2015, 02:28:20 PM
Logainm on TG4 is worth a view - explains background and influences to placenames and townlands.
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: armaghniac on October 29, 2015, 06:54:59 PM
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Just in my little corner of East Meath we have Bellewstown (Sliabh Bhaile na gCailleach but now appearing on signs as "Baile an Bheileogaigh"), Gormanston, Julianstown and (I kid you not) Mount Hanover. The original Irish names for these are lost as far as I know and the "official" Irish versions are now also gaelicised from English ("Baile Iuliáin", etc.) in a bizarre circle of linguistic confusion.

In many cases,  in the Pale the Irish names have been lost and townlands etc have Pale names, whereas in Ulster almost all townlands have Gaelic names. You can see this heading west from Dundalk where east of Hallballscross has Pale townland names and west of that, in the lost Armagh lands seized by Louth, Gaelic ones.

Also Irish names are not always of great antiquity, Crois Mhic Lionnáin is no different than Baile Iuliáin, except the person it is named after might have had a Gaelic name, there must have been a townland name there before that.  Other townland names around Cross are much older than that.

Hilltown is an interesting one, as it is named after a person not a mound of earth, so is Baile Hill. 
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: 5 Sams on October 29, 2015, 07:38:43 PM
+ 1 Some the English place names which have stayed totally faithful to the original Irish are in the deepest black north. Limavady, Ballyhackamore, Tandragee, Shankill, etc.
Title: Re: Placename Pronunciations
Post by: armaghniac on October 29, 2015, 08:03:06 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on October 29, 2015, 07:38:43 PM
+ 1 Some the English place names which have stayed totally faithful to the original Irish are in the deepest black north. Limavady, Ballyhackamore, Tandragee, Shankill, etc.

has anyone seen a good discussion of why that is? it may partly reflect the Scottish origins of Planters who were used to such names, but I imagine it mostly has to with land tenure and the like.