Might as well get this one started, I'd say there'll be a big crowd at this one.
Sounds like some of the experiments (Kirby at MF and Caff @ CHB) were only so-so against Derry, it'll be interesting to see if they persist with those or not.
COC being out is a big loss for us, good to see Dillon back though
Great timing for Mayo on this one. Dubs will play a full strength team but out of Croker they don't operate so well and without the likes of Kildare giving them 5 or 6 home games in the league they're struggling.
Mayo look to be safe so will probably continue with experimental line ups, this is a shot to nothing for them. A win would be great but a loss wouldn't be the end of the world. You could easily see themselves and cork drawing in Cork to put them both through to the semi finals
Will ye play open football with them or get loads behind the ball.
Flynn and O'Gara helped them a lot on Sat when they came on but if ye give them space they'll tear strips off ye
Would assume Dublin will be bringing all the big guns to Castlebar including MDMA and Connolly if available. They are in desperate need of points now and I would say they are going to get it from Gavin in training this week. He didn't mince his words on TV on Saturday night which is unusual for him. Expect big backlash from them and Mayo without have a dozen or so first teamers and others only playing average enough.
Dublin by 4.
Anyone check the floodlights?
I hope O'Gara starts at FF, would be interested to see how Keane manages him
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on March 09, 2015, 03:21:57 PM
Great timing for Mayo on this one. Dubs will play a full strength team but out of Croker they don't operate so well and without the likes of Kildare giving them 5 or 6 home games in the league they're struggling.
Mayo look to be safe so will probably continue with experimental line ups, this is a shot to nothing for them. A win would be great but a loss wouldn't be the end of the world. You could easily see themselves and cork drawing in Cork to put them both through to the semi finals
Horseshite, Dublin will not be fielding a full strength team, Mayo 5 at least
Quote from: heffo on March 09, 2015, 04:10:32 PM
Anyone check the floodlights?
You mean the Foggy spew ;)
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 09, 2015, 03:43:03 PM
Will ye play open football with them or get loads behind the ball.
Flynn and O'Gara helped them a lot on Sat when they came on but if ye give them space they'll tear strips off ye
I hope we play it like we have been last 2 games. Getting bodies behind the ball when we don t have it and keeping cover back when we do.
We re in bonus territory now with 6 points being probably good enough to stay up. Impressive enough considering we ve don it with FBD selections. But injuries are building up now and some form is poor. If the U21s are rested again we re going to be threadbare in a few areas.
Not sure how many,if any, of the following will be available this weekend? Barrett, Parsons, Vaughan, Gibbons, Coen, Durkan, O ConnorX2, Andy
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on March 09, 2015, 04:21:40 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on March 09, 2015, 03:21:57 PM
Great timing for Mayo on this one. Dubs will play a full strength team but out of Croker they don't operate so well and without the likes of Kildare giving them 5 or 6 home games in the league they're struggling.
Mayo look to be safe so will probably continue with experimental line ups, this is a shot to nothing for them. A win would be great but a loss wouldn't be the end of the world. You could easily see themselves and cork drawing in Cork to put them both through to the semi finals
Horseshite, Dublin will not be fielding a full strength team, Mayo 5 at least
Solid argument there alright 😐
If expect BBrogan and Flynn to both start, MDM and Cluxton too, exactly what you'd call full strength
Who will be rested if that's not the case?
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on March 09, 2015, 04:21:40 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on March 09, 2015, 03:21:57 PM
Great timing for Mayo on this one. Dubs will play a full strength team but out of Croker they don't operate so well and without the likes of Kildare giving them 5 or 6 home games in the league they're struggling.
Mayo look to be safe so will probably continue with experimental line ups, this is a shot to nothing for them. A win would be great but a loss wouldn't be the end of the world. You could easily see themselves and cork drawing in Cork to put them both through to the semi finals
Horseshite, Dublin will not be fielding a full strength team, Mayo 5 at least
Not sure as much as 5. Or any. We re probably safe now and it s the league and all so it could be a bit of a damp squib from us.
It depends how we set up as well. Hopefully we ll have learned from our skirmishes with likes of Derry, Tyrone and Monaghan and realise, finally, that less is more, and there is more reward for being conservative and defensive than being gung-ho and entertaining.
We ll be well shy a championship 15 but hopefully the management will put out a thick shape that has served us well in last 2 games and can be tweaked later when others return.
I'd say Mayo will go all out to win.
That should put them in the semis......they could then bring back in some fringe players to blood them in a big game. (At least, that's what I'd do)
Mdma wont start, Connolly was playing hurley with his club the weekend but I cant see him lining out this weekend either, Brennan is a sub at his age profile, Flynn is off the pace but great to see him back on Sat, likewise James McCarthy. Be interesting to see the system deployed by both teams this weekend
COC out for Mayo ??
Team:
Hennelly
Cunniffe, Keane, Higgins
Keegan, Boyle, Durcan
SOShea, Vaughan
McLoughlin, AOShea, DOConnor
Ronaldson, Freeman, Doherty
O'Connor out is obviously the big news for Mayo - probably not the worst thing in the world for him to get a bit of a rest given his club and Sigerson involvement
Interesting to see O'Connor and Durkan start given they were involved with the U21s on Wednesday.
Freeman needs a big one here, Ronaldson will be also tested in what I expect to be a fiery affair.
Quote from: larryin89 on March 12, 2015, 09:12:17 PM
Freeman needs a big one here, Ronaldson will be also tested in what I expect to be a fiery affair.
Ah I dunno. Freeman is Freeman and you get what you select from him. What's going to change? I dunno about fiery either but I have no fear of Ronaldson either. You know what your going to get and he has been very good.
O Connor had a massive game last night and was taken off when game was up. So was Durkan who put in a big 20 mins second half but for some bizarre reason was not used much in first half. I expect Michael Hall will be on the bench. The quality of the lad last night was something else. Talk about taking a game by the scruff of the neck.
Cillian O Connor missing is a blow of course, not least because he is one of the best tacklers we have and first line of defence. His shooting and freetaking has been off colour though and kinda obvious he has been nursing an injury. Apart from Cillian that wont be far out from championship team.
Looking ominous for David Clarke maybe. This game 'should have been' his turn and with the panel being cut to 2 keepers it doesn t look good for him unfortunately.
Quote from: moysider on March 12, 2015, 10:20:20 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on March 12, 2015, 09:12:17 PM
Freeman needs a big one here, Ronaldson will be also tested in what I expect to be a fiery affair.
Ah I dunno. Freeman is Freeman and you get what you select from him. What's going to change? I dunno about fiery either but I have no fear of Ronaldson either. You know what your going to get and he has been very good.
O Connor had a massive game last night and was taken off when game was up. So was Durkan who put in a big 20 mins second half but for some bizarre reason was not used much in first half. I expect Michael Hall will be on the bench. The quality of the lad last night was something else. Talk about taking a game by the scruff of the neck.
Cillian O Connor missing is a blow of course, not least because he is one of the best tacklers we have and first line of defence. His shooting and freetaking has been off colour though and kinda obvious he has been nursing an injury. Apart from Cillian that wont be far out from championship team.
Looking ominous for David Clarke maybe. This game 'should have been' his turn and with the panel being cut to 2 keepers it doesn t look good for him unfortunately.
Freeman had a very poor 2014 championship, he has been in poor form since Tyrone game in 13 . Maybe being subbed in 13 final fooked with his head .
Last year he started v Ross if my memory serves me right and was subbed albeit the supply of ball into him was poor. On the bench v galway , got 20 min in the end but never scored in a high scoring game . I can't even remember him scoring at all in the championship last year. So my point is fairly straight forward unless he improves starting with sat night he is not worth his place.
Ronaldson is everyone's darling at the moment so I'm just going to stay out of that one only to say I don't think his slight frame is going to make (hope I'm wrong )it come the summer or even a big game like sat which unlike your good self I think it will be fiery and played with great intensity.
This fixture will be repeated in the form of an all ireland semi final in 15 , everyone knows that.
Quote from: larryin89 on March 12, 2015, 10:55:39 PM
Quote from: moysider on March 12, 2015, 10:20:20 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on March 12, 2015, 09:12:17 PM
Freeman needs a big one here, Ronaldson will be also tested in what I expect to be a fiery affair.
Ah I dunno. Freeman is Freeman and you get what you select from him. What's going to change? I dunno about fiery either but I have no fear of Ronaldson either. You know what your going to get and he has been very good.
O Connor had a massive game last night and was taken off when game was up. So was Durkan who put in a big 20 mins second half but for some bizarre reason was not used much in first half. I expect Michael Hall will be on the bench. The quality of the lad last night was something else. Talk about taking a game by the scruff of the neck.
Cillian O Connor missing is a blow of course, not least because he is one of the best tacklers we have and first line of defence. His shooting and freetaking has been off colour though and kinda obvious he has been nursing an injury. Apart from Cillian that wont be far out from championship team.
Looking ominous for David Clarke maybe. This game 'should have been' his turn and with the panel being cut to 2 keepers it doesn t look good for him unfortunately.
Freeman had a very poor 2014 championship, he has been in poor form since Tyrone game in 13 . Maybe being subbed in 13 final fooked with his head .
Last year he started v Ross if my memory serves me right and was subbed albeit the supply of ball into him was poor. On the bench v galway , got 20 min in the end but never scored in a high scoring game . I can't even remember him scoring at all in the championship last year. So my point is fairly straight forward unless he improves starting with sat night he is not worth his place.
Ronaldson is everyone's darling at the moment so I'm just going to stay out of that one only to say I don't think his slight frame is going to make (hope I'm wrong )it come the summer or even a big game like sat which unlike your good self I think it will be fiery and played with great intensity.
This fixture will be repeated in the form of an all ireland semi final in 15 , everyone knows that.
I don t think he s slight at all. Short but not slight. He s late 20's now and looks confident in his ability. I remember everybody having doubts about Andy Moran but he finally arrived in 2011 - late 20s- and unfortunately injury ruined his prime.
Freeman is an enigma. I think everybody agrees with that at this stage. He had a rough call against him in 2012 AI final, I agree. But has had many occasions and many good moments in matches to get his confidence back - if that is the problem?
If Cillian was right, Freeman would not be starting. Simple as that. At the same time there is not exactly a queue forming behind likes of Freeman and Ronaldson as alternatives?
Quote from: moysider on March 13, 2015, 12:12:06 AM
I don t think he s slight at all. Short but not slight. He s late 20's now and looks confident in his ability. I remember everybody having doubts about Andy Moran but he finally arrived in 2011 - late 20s- and unfortunately injury ruined his prime.
Freeman is an enigma. I think everybody agrees with that at this stage. He had a rough call against him in 2012 AI final, I agree. But has had many occasions and many good moments in matches to get his confidence back - if that is the problem?
If Cillian was right, Freeman would not be starting. Simple as that. At the same time there is not exactly a queue forming behind likes of Freeman and Ronaldson as alternatives?
What is the story with Andy Moran, Gibbons, Richie Feeney? Are they injured along with Prasons.
I assume Mayo subs will be along the lines of O'Malley, Dillon, Conor O'Shea, Cafferkey, Sweeeney, Barry Moran, Harrisson and a few more.
Big, big test for the likes of Durcan who will be put in against the likes of Flynn, Connolly, A Brogan, C Kilenny etc.
And D O'Connor in 1/2 fw line will have a tough shift as well against the likes of McCarthy or McCaffrey.
Freeman is an enigma. I think everybody agrees with that at this stage. He had a rough call against him in 2012 AI final, I agree. But has had many occasions and many good moments in matches to get his confidence back - if that is the problem?
If Cillian was right, Freeman would not be starting. Simple as that. At the same time there is not exactly a queue forming behind likes of Freeman and Ronaldson as alternatives?
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Does anyone else think that Freeman might benefit from having O Se beside him in the ff line? Not having to be the primary ball winner might bring out the best in him.
1 Stephen Cluxton Parnell's
2 Eoin Culligan Kilmacud Crokes
3 Rory O'Carroll Kilmacud Crokes
4 Jonny Cooper Na Fianna
5 Philip McMahon Ballymun Kickhams
6 Cian O'Sullivan Kilmacud Crokes
7 Jack McCaffrey Clontarf
8 Denis Bastick Templeogue Synge Street
9 Emmett O Conghaile Lucan Sarsfields
10 Tomás Brady Na Fianna
11 Dean Rock Ballymun Kickhams
12 Ciarán Kilkenny Castleknock
13 Kevin McManamon St Jude's
14 Paddy Andrews St Brigid's
15 Bernard Brogan St Oliver Plunkett'sEoghan Ruadh
Cian O'Sullivan replacing Nicky Devereux is the only change
Quote from: mayoman dan on March 13, 2015, 04:46:19 PM
Freeman is an enigma. I think everybody agrees with that at this stage. He had a rough call against him in 2012 AI final, I agree. But has had many occasions and many good moments in matches to get his confidence back - if that is the problem?
If Cillian was right, Freeman would not be starting. Simple as that. At the same time there is not exactly a queue forming behind likes of Freeman and Ronaldson as alternatives?
Does anyone else think that Freeman might benefit from having O Se beside him in the ff line? Not having to be the primary ball winner might bring out the best in him.
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Maybe, but the thing is though if Freeman was able to perform consistently inside, Aidan wouldn t have to be sent in. O Shea will be moving out as well during most games and Freeman would have to pull his weight inside a lot anyway. For me it s Cillian and Ronnie inside but that may change. Freeman will see plenty game time too I'm sure.
What are the good stream sites these days? To fork out 10e for GAAGO stream is a bit steep when it's not your county and you only want a bit of Saturday night entertainment
just type in setanta ireland free streaming , something will pop up
Connolly and Flynn in for Andrews and O'Connaghaile
Gavin taking this fairly seriously obviously.
The team named less than 24 hours ago and Jim still has to make 2 late changes.
WTF are Mayo at?
Quote from: J70 on March 14, 2015, 07:24:58 PM
WTF are Mayo at?
I believe the technical term is getting their arse handed to them.
HT: Mayo 0-6 Dublin 2-10
Dublin got a bit lucky with the 2nd goal given how blatant the 2 hops were but overall there's only one team in this.
Mayo getting a right battering here.
The amount of time and space the Dublin forwards are getting to work in compared to the Tyrone game is light years apart.
Will be interesting to see how Dublin handle the the 2nd half given the the game is pretty much won already.
Just listening on RnaG now, sounds like we're getting destroyed.
2-12 to 0-6, just missed a goal chance
RnaG switched to Laois match, good call
Mayo 0-10 Dublin 2-18 FT
Dublin scored 8 points to Mayo's 4 in that second half.
Thank God I'm at a wedding.
That's a paddling
We only live in Dublin's world.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on March 09, 2015, 03:21:57 PM
Great timing for Mayo on this one. Dubs will play a full strength team but out of Croker they don't operate so well and without the likes of Kildare giving them 5 or 6 home games in the league they're struggling.
Mayo look to be safe so will probably continue with experimental line ups, this is a shot to nothing for them. A win would be great but a loss wouldn't be the end of the world. You could easily see themselves and cork drawing in Cork to put them both through to the semi finals
Well I think the Dubs not operating so well outside of Croker has been well and truly put to bed now.
Did they not lose both games away before tonight?
This result shows the up and down nature of this year's league, where a team can deliver a couple of impressive performances, and then get soundly beaten. This trend has been evident across all 4 divisions. Having said that, did anyone expect a 14 point thrashing for Mayo in this game? Interesting to hear John Casey on Mwr afterwards still clinging to the old line of '' it's only March''.
Its heading into winter for this Mayo outfit, if young Alan Dillon, Freeman and Ronaldson are the answer to yere lack of power up front then ye are right back in the pack with worse to come.
Look at the fookin Rossies out in their droves. Hateful fookers. Away and worry about your own lot for a change.
Quote from: Syferus on March 14, 2015, 09:31:29 PM
We only live in Dublin's world.
Hard luck last night, your boys took a hell of a beating
Quote from: Shrewdness on March 15, 2015, 09:23:44 AM
This result shows the up and down nature of this year's league, where a team can deliver a couple of impressive performances, and then get soundly beaten. This trend has been evident across all 4 divisions. Having said that, did anyone expect a 14 point thrashing for Mayo in this game? Interesting to hear John Casey on Mwr afterwards still clinging to the old line of '' it's only March''.
The thing is that while Mayo are on 6 points after the 5 games in the league but they have hardly had anything I would remotely describe as impressive performances. Mayo have beaten a Kerry team just off the plane who did a decent impression of a side who had been on the beer the night before and the two favourites for relegation - one of whom they left back into the game when they had the end line in sight and the other who had a complete disciplinary meltdown and ended up the game with 13 men, while losing at home to both Tyrone and Dublin.
It's one thing to win a game when the opposition give an 7 or an 8 out of 10 performance but a whole different kettle of fish when the opposition are turning in 2/3/4 out of 10 performances.
The fact that Dublin were simply left play the game completely on their own terms was a massive warning bell - especially when Tyrone only a week ago gave a tactical masterclass in how to cause Dublin serious trouble.
Your right twohands - two extremely bad defeats at home and three wins of questionable value leaves us in a poor enough position even if we're safe-ish from relegation
Larry, where in my post did i have a crack at Mayo. Get over your paranoia..... Two Hands, Kerry, Dublin etc are teams i was thinking of with up/down performances.
Quote from: macdanger2 on March 15, 2015, 11:39:25 AM
Your right twohands - two extremely bad defeats at home and three wins of questionable value leaves us in a poor enough position even if we're safe-ish from relegation
The thing is whether lessons can be learned from it long-term for Mayo especially the management.
Don't knock the importance of the safety from relegation bit - if Mayo are to remain at the top table of football sides Division 1 football is utterly vital.
I think a definite factor in this and in a few of the other games in the league, is how teams who are in relatively comfortable positions have performed versus teams who are battling for survival points.
Also I havent seen a whole pile of Division 2 action this year but pretty much every second I have seen has me utterly convinced that the odds of any Division 2 team being seriously involved come August this year are very remote.
Quote from: larryin89 on March 15, 2015, 10:23:11 AM
Look at the fookin Rossies out in their droves. Hateful fookers. Away and worry about your own lot for a change.
::) we seem to have enough to worry about.
Won't labour it but Mayo are gone 3 steps backwards since Horan has gone. That's the worst Mayo team I've seen in a long time.
We played well but we've a bit to go yet to be ready for Kerry in the Autumn.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 15, 2015, 12:42:18 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on March 15, 2015, 10:23:11 AM
Look at the fookin Rossies out in their droves. Hateful fookers. Away and worry about your own lot for a change.
::) we seem to have enough to worry about.
Tbh im still in shock , I did not see that coming . We should never be outplayed like that in Castlebar. AOS was the only one who looked up for it and Kirby was a positive when he came on. Now I'll say it once more and I don't give two fooks about the new type of supporter we have adopted since the Horan era who are afraid of their shite to criticise players because they see themselves as more important to the Mayo cause than they actually are and think they're mates with the players because of Twitter and what have YA , Freeman is not good enough .
Quote from: larryin89 on March 15, 2015, 12:56:20 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 15, 2015, 12:42:18 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on March 15, 2015, 10:23:11 AM
Look at the fookin Rossies out in their droves. Hateful fookers. Away and worry about your own lot for a change.
::) we seem to have enough to worry about.
Tbh im still in shock , I did not see that coming . We should never be outplayed like that in Castlebar. AOS was the only one who looked up for it and Kirby was a positive when he came on. Now I'll say it once more and I don't give two fooks about the new type of supporter we have adopted since the Horan era who are afraid of their shite to criticise players because they see themselves as more important to the Mayo cause than they actually are and think they're mates with the players because of Twitter and what have YA , Freeman is not good enough .
Hmmmmmm. So it was all Freeman's fault?
I wish it were that simple. Maybe he s a busted flush but this was a collapse. This was a system failure. A humiliation. Division 1 are all test matches and we got what we deserved with our half arsed approach. I can t wait to see what excuses management make for this one. Maybe they never saw this Dublin team play before ::)
We set up defensive enough except nobody tried a leg to actually go with runners or get tackles/hits/blocks in. We couldn t win our own kickouts and 5 yard passes were a yard out and our kick passing was embarrassing.
We need an emphatic and immediate response to this. Under the circumstances the new administration could have done without this embarrassment. Not only was the team humiliated the huge home attendance was humiliated and badly hurt by this and won t forget it in a hurry. A div. 3 team would have been better prepared and performed better than this.
Unless we respond positively to this our summer will end in some provincial ground in mid summer.
Did it not end in a provincial ground last year? Ye are going backways fast last and I dont think the brakes are working.
Quote from: giveballaghback on March 15, 2015, 08:11:21 PM
Did it not end in a provincial ground last year? Ye are going backways fast last and I dont think the brakes are working.
Oh, the wishful thinking is kicking in! I'd be worried about London and more to the point Sligo (who are finding a nice bit of form) before you even start thinking of any of getting even near us.
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 15, 2015, 08:31:13 PM
Quote from: giveballaghback on March 15, 2015, 08:11:21 PM
Did it not end in a provincial ground last year? Ye are going backways fast last and I dont think the brakes are working.
Oh, the wishful thinking is kicking in! I'd be worried about London and more to the point Sligo (who are finding a nice bit of form) before you even start thinking of any of getting even near us.
The way yer going we mightn't get a crack at ye no matter what we do anyways ;)
No one here is paying much heed to maybe playing Mayo at some far flung point in the future.
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 09, 2015, 03:43:03 PM
Will ye play open football with them or get loads behind the ball.
Flynn and O'Gara helped them a lot on Sat when they came on but if ye give them space they'll tear strips off ye
Well called!
Quote from: Syferus on March 15, 2015, 08:34:44 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 15, 2015, 08:31:13 PM
Quote from: giveballaghback on March 15, 2015, 08:11:21 PM
Did it not end in a provincial ground last year? Ye are going backways fast last and I dont think the brakes are working.
Oh, the wishful thinking is kicking in! I'd be worried about London and more to the point Sligo (who are finding a nice bit of form) before you even start thinking of any of getting even near us.
The way yer going we mightn't get a crack at ye no matter what we do anyways ;)
No one here is paying much heed to maybe playing Mayo at some far flung point in the future.
This group has had bad days before and bounced back. Ballyshannon 2012. First half in Mullingar last year was awful but Westmeath did not have the talent or belief to drive on. I have a feeling that Dublin will hand out a few more hammerings to teams who can t do massed defense.
The difference now though is we don t know what this management can do and there were signs that the team has not bought into them. The nature of their appointment meant that every blip would be under the microscope. Last night's trainwreck means that their management is already in crisis and many supporters have already dismissed them. That s understandable. On a fine night for football there was no excuses for a flat showing like that. The crowd draining away from the stand is hopefully not a metaphor for this management and its lifeblood. It s the first time a crowd turned its back on this team. Management has to take the hit for that. No way should they have let something like that happen on their watch in Castlebar. they wanted the job after all. Who did they think they would be preparing teams to play. Why seek to do a job if ye can t do it?
The next 2 league fixtures are crucial now for the management. A decent showing and survival will see us still in a strong position going into Connacht. If we don t respond very positively then this administration will be very short and sour. Not the end of the world if we have a gap year as long as we stay in Div1.
Rossies, stick to the division 2 threads, ye are not in a position to talk with the big boys yet.
What a ridiculous post.
How did the referee miss McManamon's two bounce balls prior to passing for one of the Dublin goals?
Quote from: Carbery on March 16, 2015, 09:22:36 AM
How did the referee miss McManamon's two bounce balls prior to passing for one of the Dublin goals?
Human error I suppose. Maybe he was blindsided.
Quote from: moysider on March 15, 2015, 09:34:46 PM
Quote from: Syferus on March 15, 2015, 08:34:44 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 15, 2015, 08:31:13 PM
Quote from: giveballaghback on March 15, 2015, 08:11:21 PM
Did it not end in a provincial ground last year? Ye are going backways fast last and I dont think the brakes are working.
Oh, the wishful thinking is kicking in! I'd be worried about London and more to the point Sligo (who are finding a nice bit of form) before you even start thinking of any of getting even near us.
The way yer going we mightn't get a crack at ye no matter what we do anyways ;)
No one here is paying much heed to maybe playing Mayo at some far flung point in the future.
This group has had bad days before and bounced back. Ballyshannon 2012. First half in Mullingar last year was awful but Westmeath did not have the talent or belief to drive on. I have a feeling that Dublin will hand out a few more hammerings to teams who can t do massed defense.
The difference now though is we don t know what this management can do and there were signs that the team has not bought into them. The nature of their appointment meant that every blip would be under the microscope. Last night's trainwreck means that their management is already in crisis and many supporters have already dismissed them. That s understandable. On a fine night for football there was no excuses for a flat showing like that. The crowd draining away from the stand is hopefully not a metaphor for this management and its lifeblood. It s the first time a crowd turned its back on this team. Management has to take the hit for that. No way should they have let something like that happen on their watch in Castlebar. they wanted the job after all. Who did they think they would be preparing teams to play. Why seek to do a job if ye can t do it?
The next 2 league fixtures are crucial now for the management. A decent showing and survival will see us still in a strong position going into Connacht. If we don t respond very positively then this administration will be very short and sour. Not the end of the world if we have a gap year as long as we stay in Div1.
Exactly.
And a gap year is just what the doctor ordered imo , although it would be a shame not to get the 5 in a row but it doesnt necessarily have to be the end for this team either. (i just hope its fuckin galway though and not that other shower)
Boys oh boys looks like rhubarb crumble is on the menu, calm down there larry89, its not that long ago since Sligo and Longford put ye out of the championship, 3 million euro later and not a lot to show for it ye are heading back to where ye started, its just the way things go, that team are finished, they have given all they could and ye should be proud of them, punched way above their weight for 4 years, but that big wheel always keeps on turning and maybe its someone else's turn now, ye turned yere back on underage development and are now going to pay the price for it, yes ye won a minor in 13 but its at u21 level which is the culmination of a few years work that is the indicator of where a county is going and what resources are coming up, ye can plan yere holidays this year without looking at the gaa calendar.
Quote from: giveballaghback on March 16, 2015, 12:01:06 PM
Boys oh boys looks like rhubarb crumble is on the menu, calm down there larry89, its not that long ago since Sligo and Longford put ye out of the championship, 3 million euro later and not a lot to show for it ye are heading back to where ye started, its just the way things go, that team are finished, they have given all they could and ye should be proud of them, punched way above their weight for 4 years, but that big wheel always keeps on turning and maybe its someone else's turn now, ye turned yere back on underage development and are now going to pay the price for it, yes ye won a minor in 13 but its at u21 level which is the culmination of a few years work that is the indicator of where a county is going and what resources are coming up, ye can plan yere holidays this year without looking at the gaa calendar.
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In fairness to larry89 and Moysider, at least they have come on here and discussed this match. Where are all the other regular Mayo posters hiding since Saturday night, or maybe it was some of them we saw jumping ship from their seats long before the final whistle??
What a shambles, for what it's worth waited til the end, with two nephews in tow. The worst performance I think I've ever seen in Castlebar, hard to listen to the dubs singing come on you boys in blue at home. Fair play to them, they looked like a fluid outfit but didn't look like they got out of second gear.
My thought watching the match was that this team don't fear the management, a sloppy pass and they stood looking at it rather than getting their hole back up the field and chasing down their mistake. Which shows no respect.
On tactics, I get it that we don't kick the ball but to play that we have to run off shoulders, there was none of that on Saturday nite, like I said, a shambles.
AOS and Zippy were the only two players who could hold up their heads after that performance. This team is going nowhere
Don't be fooled by underage success. It often gives counties false hope. What is the under age success of resent Ai winners Donegal and Kerry?
Mayos shallow talent pool? I think this article should be pinned on back of the Mayo dressing room door no more motivation needed for the year ahead.
http://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mayos-shallow-talent-pool-cant-handle-big-fish-attacks-31069294.html
Quote from: INDIANA on March 15, 2015, 12:52:14 PM
Won't labour it but Mayo are gone 3 steps backwards since Horan has gone. That's the worst Mayo team I've seen in a long time.
We played well but we've a bit to go yet to be ready for Kerry in the Autumn.
Right on both counts.
I'd be inclined to give Holmes and Connelly the benefit of any doubt there may be but the signs are not looking good, for the near future anyway.
Horan was an exceptional manager in many ways and whoever succeeded him was always going to find it hard to measure up to him.
JH did have his drawbacks, it seems it was a case of my way or the highway in his dealings with players and he was remarkably slow to react to when change out on the field was needed.
In the game v Kerry this year, I was delighted to see the speed with which H &C made tactical switches and substitutions when Kerry upped a gear in the second half and threatened to overwhelm Mayo.
AS it was, Mayo's old failing of losing concentration when well ahead could have lost us the game but I couldn't blame the new management for what was there long before Horan took over the reins.
I've seen nothing since then to make me believe that these buckos have what it takes to go one further than Horan did, and that's putting it mildly.
We've had three bad showings in Castlebar already this year and the latest was obviously the worst by far.
The ease with which the Dubs ran through our defence was comical and that coupled with our habit of giving it straight back to them created the perfect recipe for being overrun.
It was noticeable, that at some point a call to bring men back was made, but to no great purpose as tacklers came at opponents laterally and didn't lay a glove on the blue waves coming at us. Nobody was prepared or able to meet a Dub head on.
When diagonal balls or even up and unders came into the full-back line, it was strange to see our tactic of hanging behind the forward and letting him get hands on the ball before making an attempt to tackle.
Up front we were aimless and listless. A couple of very poor frees added to the malaise.
In short we were not at the level required to compete with Dublin on Saturday. In a way, that's not terminal as we have proven in the recent past that we are able to compete at that intensity.
The overall performance graph appears to be on a downward trend though and I am not sure if the new management can arrest this. Again, I didn't notice Donie Buckley in any of the huddles on the sideline. Is he still involved?
Buckley still there but his tackling expertise was not to be seen on the pitch the other night!
James Horan has called for Donie to 'step up now and bring some order to proceedings'
That's bizarre is it not?
That's the problem with this joint manager shite.
The bus driver will be picking the team before long.
Quote from: moysider on March 16, 2015, 04:58:11 PM
Buckley still there but his tackling expertise was not to be seen on the pitch the other night!
James Horan has called for Donie to 'step up now and bring some order to proceedings'
That's bizarre is it not?
That's the problem with this joint manager shite.
The bus driver will be picking the team before long.
Do the Mayo lads not see the issue in Horan saying things like that?
Quote from: Syferus on March 16, 2015, 06:40:49 PM
Quote from: moysider on March 16, 2015, 04:58:11 PM
Buckley still there but his tackling expertise was not to be seen on the pitch the other night!
James Horan has called for Donie to 'step up now and bring some order to proceedings'
That's bizarre is it not?
That's the problem with this joint manager shite.
The bus driver will be picking the team before long.
Do the Mayo lads not see the issue in Horan saying things like that?
Myob
The which :o?
These comments from Horan would worry me, this is still largely his team and no doubt he is getting feedback from the Squad. My reading is that he is telling Buckley to take the lead as he feels Connelly/Holmes have lost control of proceedings.
Hope this is not the case, as we will have a short year if they have lost the respect of the players already.
Quote from: REDCOL on March 16, 2015, 07:13:32 PM
These comments from Horan would worry me, this is still largely his team and no doubt he is getting feedback from the Squad. My reading is that he is telling Buckley to take the lead as he feels Connelly/Holmes have lost control of proceedings.
Hope this is not the case, as we will have a short year if they have lost the respect of the players already.
That s my reading of it as well. He was positive enough in his column in the Star but in local column he strongly hinted that we were poorly prepared, dishonest, lazy and hinted at a breakdown in communication.
Horan is a proud Mayoman and worked hard to restore respectability while he was in charge. He knows what's going on and maybe fears the pair will just piss their inheritance away.
I ve heard a few people, who would be closer to the scene than I, say that the players have rumbled the duo and reckon they're spoofers. I dunno.
Quote from: moysider on March 16, 2015, 07:44:28 PM
Quote from: REDCOL on March 16, 2015, 07:13:32 PM
These comments from Horan would worry me, this is still largely his team and no doubt he is getting feedback from the Squad. My reading is that he is telling Buckley to take the lead as he feels Connelly/Holmes have lost control of proceedings.
Hope this is not the case, as we will have a short year if they have lost the respect of the players already.
That s my reading of it as well. He was positive enough in his column in the Star but in local column he strongly hinted that we were poorly prepared, dishonest, lazy and hinted at a breakdown in communication.
Horan is a proud Mayoman and worked hard to restore respectability while he was in charge. He knows what's going on and maybe fears the pair will just piss their inheritance away.
I ve heard a few people, who would be closer to the scene than I, say that the players have rumbled the duo and reckon they're spoofers. I dunno.
Could it not be the players that are 'spoofers'? In that they no longer are as good as their reputations say they are?
Sounds as much like players passing the buck as it does management's fault.
Are these the same players that nixed Kevin Mc and pretty much hand-picked their old U21 managers? Calling them spoofers if they hadn't aready worked under them is one thing, doing it when they have sounds mightily suspicious.
Sy could you ever shut up for once in your life
Quote from: mjg on March 16, 2015, 08:19:16 PM
Sy could you ever shut up for once in your life
This isn't Willie Joe's Blog. If all you want to here is a chorus of sympathetic views you know where to go.
Quote from: Syferus on March 16, 2015, 08:02:41 PM
Quote from: moysider on March 16, 2015, 07:44:28 PM
Quote from: REDCOL on March 16, 2015, 07:13:32 PM
These comments from Horan would worry me, this is still largely his team and no doubt he is getting feedback from the Squad. My reading is that he is telling Buckley to take the lead as he feels Connelly/Holmes have lost control of proceedings.
Hope this is not the case, as we will have a short year if they have lost the respect of the players already.
That s my reading of it as well. He was positive enough in his column in the Star but in local column he strongly hinted that we were poorly prepared, dishonest, lazy and hinted at a breakdown in communication.
Horan is a proud Mayoman and worked hard to restore respectability while he was in charge. He knows what's going on and maybe fears the pair will just piss their inheritance away.
I ve heard a few people, who would be closer to the scene than I, say that the players have rumbled the duo and reckon they're spoofers. I dunno.
Could it not be the players that are 'spoofers'? In that they no longer are as good as their reputations say they are?
Sounds as much like players passing the buck as it does management's fault.
Are these the same players that nixed Kevin Mc and pretty much hand-picked their old U21 managers? Calling them spoofers if they hadn't aready worked under them is one thing, doing it when they have sounds mightily suspicious.
I know I shouldn't be taking the bait but....where did you get the idea that the players "hand-picked" the mgmt?
If the current Mayo squad are spoofers, then the rest of Connacht should pack it in altogether.
Quote from: macdanger2 on March 16, 2015, 08:48:58 PM
Quote from: Syferus on March 16, 2015, 08:02:41 PM
Quote from: moysider on March 16, 2015, 07:44:28 PM
Quote from: REDCOL on March 16, 2015, 07:13:32 PM
These comments from Horan would worry me, this is still largely his team and no doubt he is getting feedback from the Squad. My reading is that he is telling Buckley to take the lead as he feels Connelly/Holmes have lost control of proceedings.
Hope this is not the case, as we will have a short year if they have lost the respect of the players already.
That s my reading of it as well. He was positive enough in his column in the Star but in local column he strongly hinted that we were poorly prepared, dishonest, lazy and hinted at a breakdown in communication.
Horan is a proud Mayoman and worked hard to restore respectability while he was in charge. He knows what's going on and maybe fears the pair will just piss their inheritance away.
I ve heard a few people, who would be closer to the scene than I, say that the players have rumbled the duo and reckon they're spoofers. I dunno.
Could it not be the players that are 'spoofers'? In that they no longer are as good as their reputations say they are?
Sounds as much like players passing the buck as it does management's fault.
Are these the same players that nixed Kevin Mc and pretty much hand-picked their old U21 managers? Calling them spoofers if they hadn't aready worked under them is one thing, doing it when they have sounds mightily suspicious.
I know I shouldn't be taking the bait but....where did you get the idea that the players "hand-picked" the mgmt?
Refusing McStay because of McHale having the balls to criticise players in the media (and hardly venomous criticism at that) when there was only one other real option is making your choice as a panel. They wanted C&H over the two Ballina lads. Is the same panel having buyers' remorse now? The panel are joined at the hip with this management after they nixed the other option. It's a bit much if they're already pumping out disquiet about C&H being 'spoofers' in the middle of March.
Quote from: mjg on March 16, 2015, 08:19:16 PM
Sy could you ever shut up for once in your life
The number of times I've said that over the years........
Quote from: Syferus on March 16, 2015, 08:58:25 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on March 16, 2015, 08:48:58 PM
Quote from: Syferus on March 16, 2015, 08:02:41 PM
Quote from: moysider on March 16, 2015, 07:44:28 PM
Quote from: REDCOL on March 16, 2015, 07:13:32 PM
These comments from Horan would worry me, this is still largely his team and no doubt he is getting feedback from the Squad. My reading is that he is telling Buckley to take the lead as he feels Connelly/Holmes have lost control of proceedings.
Hope this is not the case, as we will have a short year if they have lost the respect of the players already.
That s my reading of it as well. He was positive enough in his column in the Star but in local column he strongly hinted that we were poorly prepared, dishonest, lazy and hinted at a breakdown in communication.
Horan is a proud Mayoman and worked hard to restore respectability while he was in charge. He knows what's going on and maybe fears the pair will just piss their inheritance away.
I ve heard a few people, who would be closer to the scene than I, say that the players have rumbled the duo and reckon they're spoofers. I dunno.
Could it not be the players that are 'spoofers'? In that they no longer are as good as their reputations say they are?
Sounds as much like players passing the buck as it does management's fault.
Are these the same players that nixed Kevin Mc and pretty much hand-picked their old U21 managers? Calling them spoofers if they hadn't aready worked under them is one thing, doing it when they have sounds mightily suspicious.
I know I shouldn't be taking the bait but....where did you get the idea that the players "hand-picked" the mgmt?
Refusing McStay because of McHale having the balls to criticise players in the media (and hardly venomous criticism at that) when there was only one other real option is making your choice as a panel. They wanted C&H over the two Ballina lads. Is the same panel having buyers' remorse now? The panel are joined at the hip with this management after they nixed the other option. It's a bit much if they're already pumping out disquiet about C&H being 'spoofers' in the middle of March.
Are you confusing the county BOARD and county PANEL??
*punching myself in the face for getting involved*
Quote from: Syferus on March 16, 2015, 08:58:25 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on March 16, 2015, 08:48:58 PM
Quote from: Syferus on March 16, 2015, 08:02:41 PM
Quote from: moysider on March 16, 2015, 07:44:28 PM
Quote from: REDCOL on March 16, 2015, 07:13:32 PM
These comments from Horan would worry me, this is still largely his team and no doubt he is getting feedback from the Squad. My reading is that he is telling Buckley to take the lead as he feels Connelly/Holmes have lost control of proceedings.
Hope this is not the case, as we will have a short year if they have lost the respect of the players already.
That s my reading of it as well. He was positive enough in his column in the Star but in local column he strongly hinted that we were poorly prepared, dishonest, lazy and hinted at a breakdown in communication.
Horan is a proud Mayoman and worked hard to restore respectability while he was in charge. He knows what's going on and maybe fears the pair will just piss their inheritance away.
I ve heard a few people, who would be closer to the scene than I, say that the players have rumbled the duo and reckon they're spoofers. I dunno.
Could it not be the players that are 'spoofers'? In that they no longer are as good as their reputations say they are?
Sounds as much like players passing the buck as it does management's fault.
Are these the same players that nixed Kevin Mc and pretty much hand-picked their old U21 managers? Calling them spoofers if they hadn't aready worked under them is one thing, doing it when they have sounds mightily suspicious.
I know I shouldn't be taking the bait but....where did you get the idea that the players "hand-picked" the mgmt?
Refusing McStay because of McHale having the balls to criticise players in the media (and hardly venomous criticism at that) when there was only one other real option is making your choice as a panel. They wanted C&H over the two Ballina lads. Is the same panel having buyers' remorse now? The panel are joined at the hip with this management after they nixed the other option. It's a bit much if they're already pumping out disquiet about C&H being 'spoofers' in the middle of March.
There was a story about at the time about at the time about players being unhappy about McHale but we don't know who or how many. Big deal. It wouldn't have been a factor if board wanted McStay but they did not. They were intent on cobbling together this unit. Holmes was even persuaded to get in the running after initially denying any interest. Neither H or C had the cred to go it alone. In the end McStay made the decision easy for the board by pricing himself out of the job.
It was clearly goin to be a fix anyway. Most of the board seemed to see nothing wrong with the process. When Padraig Prendergast suggested that McStay was shabbily treated, there were some shouts and laughing and sniggering at the back.
Quote from: moysider on March 16, 2015, 09:22:46 PM
Quote from: Syferus on March 16, 2015, 08:58:25 PM
Refusing McStay because of McHale having the balls to criticise players in the media (and hardly venomous criticism at that) when there was only one other real option is making your choice as a panel. They wanted C&H over the two Ballina lads. Is the same panel having buyers' remorse now? The panel are joined at the hip with this management after they nixed the other option. It's a bit much if they're already pumping out disquiet about C&H being 'spoofers' in the middle of March.
There was a story about at the time about at the time about players being unhappy about McHale but we don't know who or how many. Big deal. It wouldn't have been a factor if board wanted McStay but they did not. They were intent on cobbling together this unit. Holmes was even persuaded to get in the running after initially denying any interest. Neither H or C had the cred to go it alone. In the end McStay made the decision easy for the board by pricing himself out of the job.
It was clearly goin to be a fix anyway. Most of the board seemed to see nothing wrong with the process. When Padraig Prendergast suggested that McStay was shabbily treated, there were some shouts and laughing and sniggering at the back.
As usual the answer lies somewhere in the middle. There are rumours of discontent but that could be down to the fact that the panel is being cut to 32 whereas before it was up on 40 for the season. Some guys might feel threatened and could be saying things outta hand about H&C.
On the other side is the McStay/McHale debate. The fact is this was also a DUEL management team. Some people seem to airbrush over this fact and that it technically would be no different to the present setup. Also McHale did for some reason come out and publicly criticise guys. I don't know why - it was a strange article to write at the time unless he already knew that they weren't getting it and if that is the case well it was just a little petty in my opinion.
Then there's the Horan criticism. Now although what he says might fundamentally be correct he should really keep his nose out of how the current management are doing their thing. Calling for Buckley is only adding fuel to the fire and causing more unrest. Strange talk from a man who did so much for Mayo and at the end of the day resigned of his own accord.
Quote from: Nihilist on March 16, 2015, 11:55:26 PM
Quote from: moysider on March 16, 2015, 09:22:46 PM
Quote from: Syferus on March 16, 2015, 08:58:25 PM
Refusing McStay because of McHale having the balls to criticise players in the media (and hardly venomous criticism at that) when there was only one other real option is making your choice as a panel. They wanted C&H over the two Ballina lads. Is the same panel having buyers' remorse now? The panel are joined at the hip with this management after they nixed the other option. It's a bit much if they're already pumping out disquiet about C&H being 'spoofers' in the middle of March.
There was a story about at the time about at the time about players being unhappy about McHale but we don't know who or how many. Big deal. It wouldn't have been a factor if board wanted McStay but they did not. They were intent on cobbling together this unit. Holmes was even persuaded to get in the running after initially denying any interest. Neither H or C had the cred to go it alone. In the end McStay made the decision easy for the board by pricing himself out of the job.
It was clearly goin to be a fix anyway. Most of the board seemed to see nothing wrong with the process. When Padraig Prendergast suggested that McStay was shabbily treated, there were some shouts and laughing and sniggering at the back.
As usual the answer lies somewhere in the middle. There are rumours of discontent but that could be down to the fact that the panel is being cut to 32 whereas before it was up on 40 for the season. Some guys might feel threatened and could be saying things outta hand about H&C.
On the other side is the McStay/McHale debate. The fact is this was also a DUEL management team. Some people seem to airbrush over this fact and that it technically would be no different to the present setup. Also McHale did for some reason come out and publicly criticise guys. I don't know why - it was a strange article to write at the time unless he already knew that they weren't getting it and if that is the case well it was just a little petty in my opinion.
Then there's the Horan criticism. Now although what he says might fundamentally be correct he should really keep his nose out of how the current management are doing their thing. Calling for Buckley is only adding fuel to the fire and causing more unrest. Strange talk from a man who did so much for Mayo and at the end of the day resigned of his own accord.
McHale was very clearly No. 2 to McStay at Brigids. They wouldn't have been joint managers. More of a trusted right-hand man.
Quote from: Nihilist on March 16, 2015, 11:55:26 PM
Quote from: moysider on March 16, 2015, 09:22:46 PM
Quote from: Syferus on March 16, 2015, 08:58:25 PM
Refusing McStay because of McHale having the balls to criticise players in the media (and hardly venomous criticism at that) when there was only one other real option is making your choice as a panel. They wanted C&H over the two Ballina lads. Is the same panel having buyers' remorse now? The panel are joined at the hip with this management after they nixed the other option. It's a bit much if they're already pumping out disquiet about C&H being 'spoofers' in the middle of March.
There was a story about at the time about at the time about players being unhappy about McHale but we don't know who or how many. Big deal. It wouldn't have been a factor if board wanted McStay but they did not. They were intent on cobbling together this unit. Holmes was even persuaded to get in the running after initially denying any interest. Neither H or C had the cred to go it alone. In the end McStay made the decision easy for the board by pricing himself out of the job.
It was clearly goin to be a fix anyway. Most of the board seemed to see nothing wrong with the process. When Padraig Prendergast suggested that McStay was shabbily treated, there were some shouts and laughing and sniggering at the back.
As usual the answer lies somewhere in the middle. There are rumours of discontent but that could be down to the fact that the panel is being cut to 32 whereas before it was up on 40 for the season. Some guys might feel threatened and could be saying things outta hand about H&C.
On the other side is the McStay/McHale debate. The fact is this was also a DUEL management team. Some people seem to airbrush over this fact and that it technically would be no different to the present setup. Also McHale did for some reason come out and publicly criticise guys. I don't know why - it was a strange article to write at the time unless he already knew that they weren't getting it and if that is the case well it was just a little petty in my opinion.
Then there's the Horan criticism. Now although what he says might fundamentally be correct he should really keep his nose out of how the current management are doing their thing. Calling for Buckley is only adding fuel to the fire and causing more unrest. Strange talk from a man who did so much for Mayo and at the end of the day resigned of his own accord.
Can t agree Nihalist I m afraid. I doubt cutting the panel anything to do with it.
McStay and McHale would not have been duel manegement. The buck would have stooped with McStay with McHale having the 'Terry McDermott' role. Wasn t gone on that myself either and can understand why McStay's package was rejected - but not the carry-on to get H&C in anyway. The reality is that McStay was wasting his time expressing interest in the job in the first place.
Horan hasn t been
that critical - concerned maybe. Why wouldn t he be? Or the rest of us?
Glad he has done this. We don t be half critical enough. That was unacceptable - the worst beating at home since 1956 and I d hazard a guess that the performance was worse. I haven t seen as bad a Mayo defeat since Tuam in 1982.
Either those boys can do the job they sought or they cant. Don t forget that this is the second time that Pateen has been handed on a plate the best teams that Mayo have put together in 64 years, without having built anything himself. If he cant stand heat he should never have got into the kitchen -again.
Anyway, if they have a clue, its early days. There are 2 league games left at least and if they have anything they have time on their side.
Horan shouldn't be mixin in fairness .
There was certainly something wrong the other night. Rumours of another cull had surfaced in the week leading up to the game so maybe that had an effect on the performance.
In any case, the response will be interesting. The problem with looking for responses though is that it becomes a law of diminishing returns. We're on our second already after getting tangled up in the Tyrone blanket earlier.
Why does Horan need to criticise anyway? The new boys are under enough pressure as it is. Yes Horan did a good job but when he left, he should also exit stage left with his columns in the WP.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 17, 2015, 09:20:10 AM
Why does Horan need to criticise anyway? The new boys are under enough pressure as it is. Yes Horan did a good job but when he left, he should also exit stage left with his columns in the WP.
Either he does the columns and calls it as he sees it, or he skips doing the media.
Mickey Harte style writing is something we don't need more of.
But we are in a mess and it would be difficult, as part of the team that sorted out the last mess, to watch and say nothing.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 17, 2015, 09:20:10 AM
Why does Horan need to criticise anyway? The new boys are under enough pressure as it is. Yes Horan did a good job but when he left, he should also exit stage left with his columns in the WP.
Dunno either, Farr but if JH is worried, it's squeaky bum time for the rest of us.
I don't think he'd butt in if he didn't think the situation in the camp was serious.
After all, he built the team and he knows the players better than anyone else.
I've never had any doubts about Horan's integrity or his devotion to the cause of Mayo football and I don't think he is deliberately trying to rock anyone's boat.
He took the most dispirited, inept, clueless etc, etc. Mayo side I have been unfortunate enough to see and turned them into one of the strongest teams in the land in a remarkably short period of time.
I think the last time I saw such an embarrassing display from a Mayo team was in 2010 in Marky Park. (Too pissed off to go near Longford!) Same as Pat Holmes in 2002, O'Mahony had taken over a fine side and set about dismantling it in the shortest possible time.
What happened during Horan's years at the helm was nothing short of miraculous and if he's worried now, he has every reason to be so.
Anyway, there's no point in moaning about anything right now.
An awful lot depends on the outcome of the next game and it's time to get behind the boys and the management also (yes, even Pateen!) and see if we have any chance of still being around come August.
If Horan felt he had no choice but to speak up then why couldn't he have contacted the county board? Or rung the management team directly? Or speak with some of his backroom people who are still involved? Or contact some of the senior players?
Instead he uses his "concern" to support his media career. Time to keep your nose out of it James.
looking back on certain interviews this year with players , there is evidence to suggest they are not buying into the new management . Rumours starting to fly round now since sat night so it's best to see what happens in the next couple of weeks , hopefully the certain players given a trial period for the league and told if it doesn't work out its good night Irene are true because quite frankly if I see that agahamore man on the pitch once more im walking out the gate.
So where to now for Mayo??? Personally there are a few things i would like to see tried when these players are back to fitness.
1.Tom Parsons needs to be given a go in midfield with Seamus
2.Cillian and Regan will improve the forward line drastically.Freeman has had enough chances and hasnt taken them.Hes a shadow of the player that played in the semi final against Tyrone he was immense that day.
3.Allow our half backs to attack again.Not all at the same time but the running game is what we were good at lets not abandon it completley.
4.Try Cafferkey in the corner hes too good a defender not to be playing.This might also free Cunniffe up for no6.Keegan and Boyle are the men for the wings driving us forward they have never let us down when it matters.
However as we all know if the players dont trust the management all this is doing is rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic.
I think some posters are being a bit rough on JH.
Imagine if a Kerry or Dublin played like that the shoeing they would get from former players and managers.
We knew when Pateen and Noel were appointed that neither was a coach of intercounty standard. the only one in the package with coaching credentials was Donie Buckley. I think James is hoping now that Donie will be given responsibility with organising the team and setting things up from game to game. It probably needs to happen.
Only in Mayo would you get a board appointing not one but two managers but no coach.
A bit like having two St. Patricks but no God :(
Eh Lar?
That's fair enough Moy but would it not of been better practice to pick up the phone and have a word.
Quote from: moysider on March 17, 2015, 02:46:38 PM
I think some posters are being a bit rough on JH.
Imagine if a Kerry or Dublin played like that the shoeing they would get from former players and managers.
We knew when Pateen and Noel were appointed that neither was a coach of intercounty standard. the only one in the package with coaching credentials was Donie Buckley. I think James is hoping now that Donie will be given responsibility with organising the team and setting things up from game to game. It probably needs to happen.
Only in Mayo would you get a board appointing not one but two managers but no coach.
A bit like having two St. Patricks but no God :(
Eh Lar?
You'd have a queue of former players giving out alright but I don't think you'd ever see the previous incumbent doing so, especially so soon after stepping down.
Quote from: larryin89 on March 17, 2015, 03:21:22 PM
That's fair enough Moy but would it not of been better practice to pick up the phone and have a word.
No, that would be completely out of the question.
Nothing wrong with Horan dropping a few hints. Look the game was a mess and everybody knows things cant be right. Even if they were they aren t now and there s no hiding place. Management now have to find a way to get things back on track.
Quote from: heffo on March 17, 2015, 03:29:18 PM
You'd have a queue of former players giving out alright but I don't think you'd ever see the previous incumbent doing so, especially so soon after stepping down.
Would have to agree with that all right. I remember that situation in Kerry after last year when Fitzmaurice took over and they were beaten out the gate by Cork and Dublin. You may have heard complaints in opinion pieces from the likes of the Bomber or someone else from Kerry but I don't recall anything coming directly from Jack O'Connor.
What we could do with Stephen Rochford now in Mayo. Even as a Knockmore man I have to admit he has Corofin playing a lovely brand of football. They can actually kick pass......wow. Can our senior team not be trained to kick pass?????
Quote from: Syferus on March 17, 2015, 12:13:13 AM
McHale was very clearly No. 2 to McStay at Brigids. They wouldn't have been joint managers. More of a trusted right-hand man.
This doesn't explain why he came out with the comments he did in the Western. It seemed unnecessarily critical at the time. Hardly something one would be writing if they wanted to build a rapport with the players they might be expecting to inherit.
Also there is the question of Horans precious style being ingrained into the players minds. They knew exactly how to play in his system. But new management bring in their own individual thoughts on these and need not (or may not wish to) apply them the same style on the team. This also could also lead to discontent.
Lads criticism is used as part of the process to get Kerry from drifting aimlessly in the League, to winning as often as they do in September. They do this all the time and it works fine for them. As long as it is justifiable and constructive there should be no fear of criticism.
Exactly. We re too nice in Mayo. Johnno s was let fester away for years and nobody said a word as he ran us into the ground.
Look, most people there the last night knew we were shite without having it pointed out by JH or anybody else anyway. But supporters views don t count.
Its a good job supporters views dont count reading some of the stuff on here, jayus ye need to get a grip lads transition will always take time and team and players need time to adjust to the changes in styles, when horan took over ye had a poor league and fell over the line against london in extra time, I know these lads have taken over a different set up but time is needed all round, us Rossies will be waiting for ye one way or another but no need to panic yet, criticism is no harm from people who know what they are talking about ie Horan and Mchale, there have been great Mayo men and while they may not be inside the tent at the moment they will have a fair idea what they are talking about and if the management cant handle that then they are unfit for purpose and the same apply s to every management team in the country.
"Sticks and stones may break my bones
but names will never hurt me."
Anyone who's worried about paper talk needs to leave the panel. Hasn't got it in the shorts, and might be a bit mentally weak as well.
This is a question of leadership. In team sports, the leader is the manager. A successful team is a team in which every player does as the leader/manager would have him do in any given situation. Not common, but not impossible either. Mickey Harte in his prime was such a leader.
The thing about being a leader is that obedience to your will isn't something that's granted. Just because someone makes you a leader doesn't mean that men will follow you. That's true in any role, not just sports. If you want to be respected, to you have to command respect. It's not something that's automatically granted to you. There are a mountain of books written about how that's done, because there are a mountain of different ways to do it. What works in one situation mightn't work in another. It's not an easy business.
Pat Holmes and Noel Connolly have taken over a team that won four Connacht titles in a row and contested four All-Ireland semi-finals in a row, winning two and drawing one. The team will have drawn up its own opinions of what's good practice and what's bad practice over those four years.
It's very hard to win over an experienced, veteran group like that. Very hard. It isn't made any easier if there's no continuity between the previous management and this one, and it isn't made any easier when your appointment is botched the way Pat and Noel's was botched.
But that's all in the past now. All that matters is the now. Pat and Noel have to spend the next twelve days repairing their team. Whether that's telling them to forget Saturday, it's only the League, or telling them that the display was unacceptable and reputation doesn't guarantee a jersey, or a 101 other things.
Whatever happens, for Mayo to be successful, every man on the panel has to turn up in Salthill in May convinced that Pat and Noel have a plan to win the All-Ireland, and that will happen if and only if each player does exactly what's expected of him. Anything less and they're at nothing. No Nestor Cup, no August football, no nothing.
That's a tall order. But that's what it's like at the top. There aren't any gimmes. It's hard, hard stuff. I hope it works out for them and, whatever happens, I hope everyone involved understands what's going on and why things worked and why things didn't work. Anything less and all the effort of the past four years will all have been for nothing and we'll have another generation lost down the Swanee River.
Quote from: moysider on March 17, 2015, 05:29:08 PM
Exactly. We re too nice in Mayo. Johnno s was let fester away for years and nobody said a word as he ran us into the ground.
Look, most people there the last night knew we were shite without having it pointed out by JH or anybody else anyway. But supporters views don t count.
Agree. I think that expectations have risen in Mayo since James Horan took over. Not in the sense of having to win games but in our approach. We now have seen where the bar needs to be set to compete on the big stage and the least we expect is that we give ourselves that chance through proper preparation.
It looked on Saturday that was lacking and old bad habits were beginning to show again that we have not seen since 2010.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on March 17, 2015, 07:42:28 PM
"Sticks and stones may break my bones
but names will never hurt me."
Anyone who's worried about paper talk needs to leave the panel. Hasn't got it in the shorts, and might be a bit mentally weak as well.
This is a question of leadership. In team sports, the leader is the manager. A successful team is a team in which every player does as the leader/manager would have him do in any given situation. Not common, but not impossible either. Mickey Harte in his prime was such a leader.
The thing about being a leader is that obedience to your will isn't something that's granted. Just because someone makes you a leader doesn't mean that men will follow you. That's true in any role, not just sports. If you want to be respected, to you have to command respect. It's not something that's automatically granted to you. There are a mountain of books written about how that's done, because there are a mountain of different ways to do it. What works in one situation mightn't work in another. It's not an easy business.
Pat Holmes and Noel Connolly have taken over a team that won four Connacht titles in a row and contested four All-Ireland semi-finals in a row, winning two and drawing one. The team will have drawn up its own opinions of what's good practice and what's bad practice over those four years.
It's very hard to win over an experienced, veteran group like that. Very hard. It isn't made any easier if there's no continuity between the previous management and this one, and it isn't made any easier when your appointment is botched the way Pat and Noel's was botched.
But that's all in the past now. All that matters is the now. Pat and Noel have to spend the next twelve days repairing their team. Whether that's telling them to forget Saturday, it's only the League, or telling them that the display was unacceptable and reputation doesn't guarantee a jersey, or a 101 other things.
Whatever happens, for Mayo to be successful, every man on the panel has to turn up in Salthill in May convinced that Pat and Noel have a plan to win the All-Ireland, and that will happen if and only if each player does exactly what's expected of him. Anything less and they're at nothing. No Nestor Cup, no August football, no nothing.
That's a tall order. But that's what it's like at the top. There aren't any gimmes. It's hard, hard stuff. I hope it works out for them and, whatever happens, I hope everyone involved understands what's going on and why things worked and why things didn't work. Anything less and all the effort of the past four years will all have been for nothing and we'll have another generation lost down the Swanee River.
Iolar, we have one of the most respected coaches in the country in Donie Buckley who should be that bridge but he seems to be a peripheral figure now. I'm not sure what his role is now but he's not involved on the sideline in any of the huddles during matches.
First game I was able to attend this year and since the new management came in and it had to be that performance. It was utterly disheartening to see us so comprehensively outplayed, outran, outpaced and out thought as we were Saturday. We were miles behind Dublin in every aspect of the game and to come down from where we were at v Kerry last summer to the level of performance on Saturday evening is a massive slide no matter what way it's spun and is seriously worrying. I know there's plenty of speculation re management and players but it was clear for whatever reason that the players heads were not in the game Saturday evening, the poor passing, hesitancy on the ball, numerous players needing two touches to control the ball and the lack of awareness and urgency displayed all point to that. While there've been questions over the previous four matches at least the attitude and work rate was there in those games, on Saturday it was non existent bar one or two players. You'd have to wonder did something happen since the Derry game that has affected the whole set up? The thing is now if management and players can't pick up the pieces from Saturday there's a very real possibility of us getting a tanking down in Cork. They are the form team of the league and pulled off a very good result up in Omagh, 5 points down at one point yet coming back to win by one. Two back to back hammerings could leave us in a serious mire not just for the rest of the league but will impact preparations for the summer.
Yeah, Cork away probably isn't the best place to go with fragile confidence. And a big tanking there could be what relegates us.
That said, a win in Cork would go some way to lifting heads after the beating we took last weekend
Quote from: bucko on March 18, 2015, 03:51:22 PMThe thing is now if management and players can't pick up the pieces from Saturday there's a very real possibility of us getting a tanking down in Cork. They are the form team of the league and pulled off a very good result up in Omagh, 5 points down at one point yet coming back to win by one.
I'd be very surprised not to see Mayo be far more competitive versus Cork as I think they're will undoubtedly be a reaction to the Dublin game
Regarding Cork - while Cork are topping the table, they really haven't impressed me greatly.
So far in the league they scraped past a Dublin B/C team at home by a few points, they scraped past a Monaghan side, they were abysmal against Donegal, the Kerry result which looked looks the most impressive was more about how bad Kerry were, especially in the second half (of course Cork had to take advantage of this but it was more about Kerry's entire team having a poor performance ) while they scrapped past a Tyrone side who for the second week in a row let a side back into it in.
The other worry for Cork is that they have been lining out with what looks very close to their championship 15 from day 1
Twohands, your post makes it sound as if Cork are the team in crisis!!
Quote from: twohands!!! on March 18, 2015, 04:34:54 PM
I'd be very surprised not to see Mayo be far more competitive versus Cork as I think they're will undoubtedly be a reaction to the Dublin game
Regarding Cork - while Cork are topping the table, they really haven't impressed me greatly.
So far in the league they scraped past a Dublin B/C team at home by a few points, they scraped past a Monaghan side, they were abysmal against Donegal, the Kerry result which looked looks the most impressive was more about how bad Kerry were, especially in the second half (of course Cork had to take advantage of this but it was more about Kerry's entire team having a poor performance ) while they scrapped past a Tyrone side who for the second week in a row let a side back into it in.
The other worry for Cork is that they have been lining out with what looks very close to their championship 15 from day 1
Not many Mayo first team players missing from Saturday night last. Only one I could think of is Cillian O'Connor. Maybe Andy Moran but there wasn't anyone else out who you would be claiming is a nailed on certainty come championship.
Quote from: Shrewdness on March 18, 2015, 04:48:10 PM
Twohands, your post makes it sound as if Cork are the team in crisis!!
Ah no - they're getting the results and going well but I think they have been slightly fortunate in terms of getting the results - the thing is that Dublin, Tyrone and Monaghan could all easily have taken 2 points off them. The Kerry game was a good result but I feel was hugely driven by the humiliation in the Munster final and the fact that Kerry were uniformly poor. They have seriously decent forwards in O'Neill and Hurley and O'Connor but the game against Kerry is likely to be the one they get the most time and space in for the rest of the year.
Also they were absolutely brutal in the Cork Donegal game which I reckon very few watched. To me they are a decent side who are in form at the moment but look very beatable.
If you don't expect a blanket defence as management against tyrone, you will be beat by tyrone.
If you tell your team to go toe to toe against dublin , you will be beat by dublin.
Management are not passing their tests so far, they have two games to rectify their mistakes and get us to a league semi final. It's still in our own hands, win the two games and we have a semi final spot.
Another game v Dublin at semi or a final would not be a bad thing.
Quote from: Nihilist on March 18, 2015, 04:48:51 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on March 18, 2015, 04:34:54 PM
I'd be very surprised not to see Mayo be far more competitive versus Cork as I think they're will undoubtedly be a reaction to the Dublin game
Regarding Cork - while Cork are topping the table, they really haven't impressed me greatly.
So far in the league they scraped past a Dublin B/C team at home by a few points, they scraped past a Monaghan side, they were abysmal against Donegal, the Kerry result which looked looks the most impressive was more about how bad Kerry were, especially in the second half (of course Cork had to take advantage of this but it was more about Kerry's entire team having a poor performance ) while they scrapped past a Tyrone side who for the second week in a row let a side back into it in.
The other worry for Cork is that they have been lining out with what looks very close to their championship 15 from day 1
Not many Mayo first team players missing from Saturday night last. Only one I could think of is Cillian O'Connor. Maybe Andy Moran but there wasn't anyone else out who you would be claiming is a nailed on certainty come championship.
Was more thinking about Kerry and Dublin and how they haven't been full strength from Day 1.
Cork from what I can see have been very close to their championship side from the get-go.
This was the Cork team named for the Dublin game
Ken O'Halloran
Tomás Clancy
Tom Clancy
James Loughrey
Jamie O'Sullivan
Eoin Cadogan
Brian O'Driscoll
Fintan Goold
Ian Maguire
Mark Collins
Donnacha O'Connor
Colm O'Driscoll
Colm O'Neill
Donal Óg Hodnett
Brian Hurley
The Dublin team by comparision
Seán Currie
Eoin Culligan
Rory O'Carroll
Darren Daly
Jonny Cooper
John Small
Jack McCaffrey
Denis Bastick
Shane Carthy
Tomas Brady
Dean Rock
Emmet O'Conghaile
Kevin McManamon
Eoghan O'Gara
Cormac Costello
The 3 subs Cork used that day
Paul Kerrigan
John Hayes
Kevin O'Driscoll
The 6 subs Dublin used that day
Davy Bryne
Michael Deegan
Brian Fenton
Eric Lowdnes
Conor McHugh
Ciaran Reddin
You look at those two teams and you ask which one is closer to a championship 15 - with Cork there are a serious chunk of definites ; whereas with Dublin the number of definites is far far lower.
i think every year since i started looking at the GAboard Mayo have had at least 2 of thes Crisis' every year
Im glad to here of a bit of disquiet in the camp . If they took that beating lying down i would be serioulsy worried .
to describe Holmes and connelly as not intercounty standard is just daft .
remeber Holmes as manager has won this competion that he is now deemed not fit to enter and as a team they won the u21's .
the Guys need time to settle . even if Mayo win this years all-ireland the guys would not get any more that 50% credit for guilding 'Horans Team' and probably a lot less
So lets give them a real chance and review our opinions on the management team at the end of the year. If were all welcoming the team home in Sept who'll give a shit about last saturday
Well maybe it's a bit early to judge the two bucks but they haven't impressed so far that's for sure . I'd tend to agree though that if Keith higgans makes his way up to collect the Nestor cup that would see this team in the history books for five in a row and not a f u k would be given about a poor performance against Tyrone and Dublin in the league but make no mistake about there are three counties with their sights set on Nestor 15 and each believe it's very doable.
Quote from: larryin89 on March 19, 2015, 03:35:57 PM
Well maybe it's a bit early to judge the two bucks but they haven't impressed so far that's for sure . I'd tend to agree though that if Keith higgans makes his way up to collect the Nestor cup that would see this team in the history books for five in a row and not a f u k would be given about a poor performance against Tyrone and Dublin in the league but make no mistake about there are three counties with their sights set on Nestor 15 and each believe it's very doable.
which history books Larry-Mayo & Galway have both won 5 in a row.....still wud be nice to achieve it.
Quote from: sans pessimism on March 19, 2015, 04:20:53 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on March 19, 2015, 03:35:57 PM
Well maybe it's a bit early to judge the two bucks but they haven't impressed so far that's for sure . I'd tend to agree though that if Keith higgans makes his way up to collect the Nestor cup that would see this team in the history books for five in a row and not a f u k would be given about a poor performance against Tyrone and Dublin in the league but make no mistake about there are three counties with their sights set on Nestor 15 and each believe it's very doable.
which history books Larry-Mayo & Galway have both won 5 in a row.....still wud be nice to achieve it.
I stand corrected so, I wasn't aware Mayo had done 5 in a row , what years was it ?
Quote from: larryin89 on March 19, 2015, 07:11:15 PM
Quote from: sans pessimism on March 19, 2015, 04:20:53 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on March 19, 2015, 03:35:57 PM
Well maybe it's a bit early to judge the two bucks but they haven't impressed so far that's for sure . I'd tend to agree though that if Keith higgans makes his way up to collect the Nestor cup that would see this team in the history books for five in a row and not a f u k would be given about a poor performance against Tyrone and Dublin in the league but make no mistake about there are three counties with their sights set on Nestor 15 and each believe it's very doable.
which history books Larry-Mayo & Galway have both won 5 in a row.....still wud be nice to achieve it.
I stand corrected so, I wasn't aware Mayo had done 5 in a row , what years was it ?
1906-10....wasn't around for them!I found this info on the Connacht GAA History website Larry.According to this,the 5 in a row was done twice-2nd time being Galway in the Sixties.
I think they have that galway in the 60s wrong then.
Quote from: larryin89 on March 19, 2015, 08:17:47 PM
I think they have that galway in the 60s wrong then.
1956-1960?
Quote from: muppet on March 19, 2015, 08:23:43 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on March 19, 2015, 08:17:47 PM
I think they have that galway in the 60s wrong then.
1956-1960?
That's that sorted then , so it's been done twice. It ould be a fair achievement though for this team and one you could take pride in.
Here is the ConnachtGaa site: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connacht_Senior_Football_Championship (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connacht_Senior_Football_Championship)
And here is Wikipedia: http://connachtgaa.ie/connacht-gaa-senior-football-championship-roll-of-honour/ (http://connachtgaa.ie/connacht-gaa-senior-football-championship-roll-of-honour/)
They are both different. One obvious error on the ConnachtGAA site is the 1985 title which they give to Roscommon.
They also give 1910 to Galway while the other has the scoreline and gives it to Mayo. Any see any other errors?
Between 1954- 74 Galway won a whopping 15 titles.
In the same period Mayo won 3 and our poverty continued until 1981.
Lean years and you'd have to wonder what was going on and not being able to build on 51/52.
Quote from: muppet on March 19, 2015, 08:29:37 PM
Here is the ConnachtGaa site: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connacht_Senior_Football_Championship (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connacht_Senior_Football_Championship)
And here is Wikipedia: http://connachtgaa.ie/connacht-gaa-senior-football-championship-roll-of-honour/ (http://connachtgaa.ie/connacht-gaa-senior-football-championship-roll-of-honour/)
They are both different. One obvious error on the ConnachtGAA site is the 1985 title which they give to Roscommon.
They also give 1910 to Galway while the other has the scoreline and gives it to Mayo. Any see any other errors?
I think the Wikipedia article is the more correct one. Leastways I can't find any inaccuracies there.
WE have more Connacht titles than the heron chokers, don't we?
ASAIK, we have 46 to Galway's 44. The Connacht GAA site makes it 45 to 44 in Galway's favour.
It's a wonder that our resident lurkers, Syferus and Rossfan, haven't been in to let us know that Roscommon won 22 and not 21 as the GAA site claims.
5 in a row done twice mayo 1906 to 10
Galway 1956 to 60
Mayo have 45 connacht titles, 3 all-ire conversion rate 8.33%
Galway have 40 connacht, 9 all-ire conversion rate 22.5%
Ros have 20 connacht titles 2 all-ire conversion rate 10%
Thought Galway had 44?
On their own county profile on another forum they say 40.
Quote from: giveballaghback on March 19, 2015, 11:19:25 PM
5 in a row done twice mayo 1906 to 10
Galway 1956 to 60
Mayo have 45 connacht titles, 3 all-ire conversion rate 8.33%
Galway have 40 connacht, 9 all-ire conversion rate 22.5%
Ros have 20 connacht titles 2 all-ire conversion rate 10%
Mayo have Ballagh conversion rate: 100%
Ros have Ballagh conversion rate: 0%
Not quite right there muppet, Sean Kilbride abdicated and look at what his sons Senen and Ian have produced for the Rossies, we are coming to get ye and ye know it, so keep whistling passing the graveyard.
Quote from: giveballaghback on March 20, 2015, 12:23:32 AM
Not quite right there muppet, Sean Kilbride abdicated and look at what his sons Senen and Ian have produced for the Rossies, we are coming to get ye and ye know it, so keep whistling passing the graveyard.
Senan Kilbride, Ian Kilbride = never beaten Mayo. ( senior championship )
After 14 years of dominance it's bound to end sometime , good luck to ye . Be some turnaround though for your ilks mindset if Mayo beat ye out the gate this year.
Quote from: muppet on March 19, 2015, 11:50:41 PM
Quote from: giveballaghback on March 19, 2015, 11:19:25 PM
5 in a row done twice mayo 1906 to 10
Galway 1956 to 60
Mayo have 45 connacht titles, 3 all-ire conversion rate 8.33%
Galway have 40 connacht, 9 all-ire conversion rate 22.5%
Ros have 20 connacht titles 2 all-ire conversion rate 10%
Mayo have Ballagh conversion rate: 100%
Ros have Ballagh conversion rate: 0%
;D
Quote from: larryin89 on March 20, 2015, 01:28:37 AM
Quote from: giveballaghback on March 20, 2015, 12:23:32 AM
Not quite right there muppet, Sean Kilbride abdicated and look at what his sons Senen and Ian have produced for the Rossies, we are coming to get ye and ye know it, so keep whistling passing the graveyard.
Senan Kilbride, Ian Kilbride = never beaten Mayo. ( senior championship )
After 14 years of dominance it's bound to end sometime , good luck to ye . Be some turnaround though for your ilks mindset if Mayo beat ye out the gate this year.
Maybe I'm missing something but what's so special about the Kilbride boys?
What have they achieved for anybody, including Roscommon?
As a rule, I don't concern myself with what happens in the lesser divisions but from what my sources tell me, this pair aren't exactly setting Division Two alight.
(Ross do play in Div 2, don't they?)
Your sources mustn't be going to many games plus they have two all Ireland senior club medals an that's two more than yere current shower have
Senan is playing very well this year while Ian is giving it all he's got on his appearances.
And Lar maybe it's time you started thinking about Div 2 ;)
I dont know who your sources are but maybe you should change them, Senen is playing the best football he has ever played for Roscommon and is the go to man and the man that controls what happens in the inside line, its only 18 mounts ago that Mayo were crying because of the lack of a competitive games in Connacht, how far behind the other counties were from the great red and green movement, well how times are a changeing, 3 million euro later and only 4 sets of Connacht medals to show for it, thats about 30,000 per medal, kind of sobering to think about it, and yere total lack of interest in yere underage structure will effect any rebuilding programme, boys oh boys
Quote from: giveballaghback on March 20, 2015, 12:14:54 PM
I dont know who your sources are but maybe you should change them, Senen is playing the best football he has ever played for Roscommon and is the go to man and the man that controls what happens in the inside line, its only 18 mounts ago that Mayo were crying because of the lack of a competitive games in Connacht, how far behind the other counties were from the great red and green movement, well how times are a changeing, 3 million euro later and only 4 sets of Connacht medals to show for it, thats about 30,000 per medal, kind of sobering to think about it, and yere total lack of interest in yere underage structure will effect any rebuilding programme, boys oh boys
Talk about getting carried away with yourself . It's green and red btw too. Total lack of interest ?,we did win the minor all ireland in 2013 YA know. Despite the results over this four year period at under 21 level , I don't believe it's as bad as people are saying, AOS, Cillian, Keane and Hennelly have all come out of this period and are proving to be able to compete at the very highest level of senior county, can you give me the names of yer bucks who have proved themselves at the same level from this period of roscommon brilliance , no you can't because they have not proved themselves yet , now they may well do but they have not to date.
We are not in the state people are makeing out , the likes of Diarmuid o Connor ,Evan Regan and conor o shea could still prove to be top players in the years ahead. Apart from last years hammering at 21 level , we have only missed out narrowly in 13 to the eventual all Ireland champions , in 11 again we only lost by a couple of points to Roscommon .in 12 we beat galway and lost to Ross by four points .
Quote from: giveballaghback on March 20, 2015, 12:14:54 PM
I dont know who your sources are but maybe you should change them, Senen is playing the best football he has ever played for Roscommon and is the go to man and the man that controls what happens in the inside line, its only 18 mounts ago that Mayo were crying because of the lack of a competitive games in Connacht, how far behind the other counties were from the great red and green movement, well how times are a changeing, 3 million euro later and only 4 sets of Connacht medals to show for it, thats about 30,000 per medal, kind of sobering to think about it, and yere total lack of interest in yere underage structure will effect any rebuilding programme, boys oh boys
Haters be hating.....
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I dont know who your sources are but maybe you should change them, Senen is playing the best football he has ever played for Roscommon and is the go to man and the man that controls what happens in the inside line, its only 18 mounts ago that Mayo were crying because of the lack of a competitive games in Connacht, how far behind the other counties were from the great red and green movement, well how times are a changeing, 3 million euro later and only 4 sets of Connacht medals to show for it, thats about 30,000 per medal, kind of sobering to think about it, and yere total lack of interest in yere underage structure will effect any rebuilding programme, boys oh boys
18 mounts ;D ;D
How many of the posters on this thread are Syf alter egos?
Quote from: heffo on March 20, 2015, 01:19:12 PM
How many of the posters on this thread are Syf alter egos?
It would be much better if we were Syf-less.
Quote from: muppet on March 20, 2015, 01:39:26 PM
Quote from: heffo on March 20, 2015, 01:19:12 PM
How many of the posters on this thread are Syf alter egos?
It would be much better if we were Syf-less.
Says the lad that flies off the handle when someone so much as points out Richie Feeney has a bald patch on his headeen.
I go by the programmes gbb.
Quote from: Rossfan on March 20, 2015, 10:58:04 AM
Senan is playing very well this year while Ian is giving it all he's got on his appearances.
And Lar maybe it's time you started thinking about Div 2 ;)
Bedad, Ross, you're slowing down and that other Mayo wannabe, the syferus fella, hasn't shown up yet. There was a time when I'd have no problem rising the pair of ye. Twenty minutes max, no matter the time of day or night.
What's happening at all, at all?
Are you actually getting sense? Nah, I thought not.
(BTW, the Senan bloke would be fairly handy if only ye could get the lazy f**ker to run a biteen faster. Mobility isn't his strongest point. Ian might be useful if he could stay injury-free. Two fine lads, didn't I go to school with their father?
I know you think poor syfin is a bitten slow between the lugs but this latest nutter is the real article. Where do ye keeping getting them from? ;D
I suspect the "latest nutter" may very well be "Ballycroy" or "Gwantherossies" or some other such rhubarb winder upper ;)
Well larry89 what have ye achieved, a few Connacht medals when ye admitted there was no opposition worth talking about, ye even cried about lack of proper match practice, 30,000 per medal thats what it has cost ye or should I say that what it has cost the gaa with yere bailout on the 1960 style Mchale park, Hater is a very strong word bucko but then bucko is a very strong name.
For what ye have invested in this team its a major failure, 4 semi-finals 2 finals and the long road home empty handed every time, good job many of the towns on the way home are bypassed, save ye the embarrassment of seeing people laughing at ye.
The problem with Senan was never mobility. In fact he's regularly been made to track back behind his HB line and gladly does it. Most people would be happier if he was allowed to focus on attacking more. He has a lazy style but he's never been a lazy player Lar. I don't know if you're being facetious about Senan's form this year or your 'sources' but he's been in the MotM conversation in almost all our games this year.
He's having a big impact playmaking this year. Great to see because he got too much stick in the past within his own county (much of it unwarranted and tinged with a wee bit of jealousy of Brigids' success at club level) and now no one's daring to make the same old jibes anymore. Mayo supporters here would have a lot less whining to do if they had a FF as able as Senan.
Quote from: Syferus on March 20, 2015, 03:20:58 PM
The problem with Senan was never mobility. In fact he's regularly been made to track back behind his HB line and gladly does it. Most people would be happier if he was allowed to focus on attacking more. He has a lazy style but he's never been a lazy player Lar.
He's having a big impact playmaking this year. Great to see because he got too much stick in the past within his own county(much of it unwarranted and tinged with a wee bit of jealousy of Brigids' success at club level) and now no one's daring to make the same old jibes anymore. Mayo supporters here would have a lot less whining to do if they had a FF as able as Senan.
Surely he's at his best left on the edge of the square.
Syfín still hero worshiping the Bridgets I see. :-[
Quote from: giveballaghback on March 20, 2015, 03:19:22 PM
Well larry89 what have ye achieved, a few Connacht medals when ye admitted there was no opposition worth talking about, ye even cried about lack of proper match practice, 30,000 per medal thats what it has cost ye or should I say that what it has cost the gaa with yere bailout on the 1960 style Mchale park, Hater is a very strong word bucko but then bucko is a very strong name.
For what ye have invested in this team its a major failure, 4 semi-finals 2 finals and the long road home empty handed every time, good job many of the towns on the way home are bypassed, save ye the embarrassment of seeing people laughing at ye.
Now yer sukin diesel...wind em up again aaww go on lads!
Quote from: larryin89 on March 20, 2015, 03:24:45 PM
Quote from: Syferus on March 20, 2015, 03:20:58 PM
The problem with Senan was never mobility. In fact he's regularly been made to track back behind his HB line and gladly does it. Most people would be happier if he was allowed to focus on attacking more. He has a lazy style but he's never been a lazy player Lar.
He's having a big impact playmaking this year. Great to see because he got too much stick in the past within his own county(much of it unwarranted and tinged with a wee bit of jealousy of Brigids' success at club level) and now no one's daring to make the same old jibes anymore. Mayo supporters here would have a lot less whining to do if they had a FF as able as Senan.
Surely he's at his best left on the edge of the square.
might as well be danderin around the edge of the square as danderin around the half back line..
At this stage, i reckon that Mayo would be glad of any of the Ros forwards. Ros now surely have better forwards than Mayo.
Dont know about that.Freezer aido coc and doc can be leathal on there day
Quote from: Shrewdness on March 20, 2015, 08:10:54 PM
At this stage, i reckon that Mayo would be glad of any of the Ros forwards. Ros now surely have better forwards than Mayo.
This was hammered out in my local last weekend and I was actually in your way of thinking but then the simple point was made to me " who have them bucks beat"
Quote from: Shrewdness on March 20, 2015, 08:10:54 PM
At this stage, i reckon that Mayo would be glad of any of the Ros forwards. Ros now surely have better forwards than Mayo.
Maybe we would but surely you are not claiming that Mayo would be happy to take the lot of them en bloc?
I'd be quite happy to hold onto Aidan O'Shea, Cillian and Kevin Mac for starters and I'd be slow to drop Jason Doherty for anyone also.
Keep in mind that there's a helluva difference in class between Div 1 and 2 and ask yourself if you think ye have the forwards to tame Tyrone or Dublin or anyone else in Div 1 for that matter.
I see ye got bet by Laois, by seven points at that.
Yet Laois weren't good enough for Cavan, or for Westmeath and could only draw with Meath. Somehow or other, I'll still be sticking me few bob on Mayo to make it five-in-a-row in Connacht this year.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 20, 2015, 11:30:36 PM
Quote from: Shrewdness on March 20, 2015, 08:10:54 PM
At this stage, i reckon that Mayo would be glad of any of the Ros forwards. Ros now surely have better forwards than Mayo.
Maybe we would but surely you are not claiming that Mayo would be happy to take the lot of them en bloc?
I'd be quite happy to hold onto Aidan O'Shea, Cillian and Kevin Mac for starters and I'd be slow to drop Jason Doherty for anyone also.
Keep in mind that there's a helluva difference in class between Div 1 and 2 and ask yourself if you think ye have the forwards to tame Tyrone or Dublin or anyone else in Div 1 for that matter.
I see ye got bet by Laois, by seven points at that.
Yet Laois weren't good enough for Cavan, or for Westmeath and could only draw with Meath. Somehow or other, I'll still be sticking me few bob on Mayo to make it five-in-a-row in Connacht this year.
To be fair AOS is only a forward on a team that can't afford to play him in the middle. COC is one of the cleverest forwards in the country, would make any team. Kevin McLoughlin is a very versatile footballer too. Sure ye've had enough Rossies in your forward lines in recent years without adding more..
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 20, 2015, 11:30:36 PM
I see ye got bet by Laois, by seven points at that.
Yet Laois weren't good enough for Cavan, or for Westmeath and could only draw with Meath. Somehow or other, I'll still be sticking me few bob on Mayo to make it five-in-a-row in Connacht this year.
Ya the Laois result suits your argument very well on the other hand we bet Down & Kildare away remind me how Mayo did on their last visits to Newbridge and Newry? i always go for value odds myself & i might place a few bob on Galway to beat ye in June.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 20, 2015, 01:55:22 PM
BTW, the Senan bloke would be fairly handy if only ye could get the lazy f**ker to run a biteen faster. Mobility isn't his strongest point. Ian might be useful if he could stay injury-free. Two fine lads, didn't I go to school with their father?
Was talking to Sean Kilbride in Kiltoom on Wednesday night at the U21 game he'd sure love that lazy stereotyping above. Yes not for the first time you have told us that you went to school with him, so it seems like Sean Kilbride you were educated & kicked your first football in Roscommon. I think its time you signed up to club rossie Lar :D
Ya the Laois result suits your argument very well on the other hand we bet Down & Kildare away remind me how Mayo did on their last visits to Newbridge and Newry? i always go for value odds myself & i might place a few bob on Galway to beat ye in June.
You might remind us how Rosscommon did on their last visit to Croke Park??? Some facts here for the Rossies that ye might not like but in the last 4 Years Mayo have beaten Donegal Dublin Tyrone and Cork in the championship.Ye shower havent bate f**k all the last 4 years.
Quote from: mayoman dan on March 21, 2015, 01:31:26 AM
You might remind us how Rosscommon did on their last visit to Croke Park??? Some facts here for the Rossies that ye might not like but in the last 4 Years Mayo have beaten Donegal Dublin Tyrone and Cork in the championship.Ye shower havent bate f**k all the last 4 years.
And yet for all those glorious Croke park wins ye still have only won one more senior All Ireland than us. Cool your jets desperate dan.
Quote from: ross4life on March 21, 2015, 01:46:38 AM
Quote from: mayoman dan on March 21, 2015, 01:31:26 AM
You might remind us how Rosscommon did on their last visit to Croke Park??? Some facts here for the Rossies that ye might not like but in the last 4 Years Mayo have beaten Donegal Dublin Tyrone and Cork in the championship.Ye shower havent bate f**k all the last 4 years.
And yet for all those glorious Croke park wins ye still have only won one more senior All Ireland than us. Cool your jets desperate dan.
Desperate Dan??? i didnt realise there was 4 year olds on this forum.Pathetic
Quote from: mayoman dan on March 21, 2015, 01:53:48 AM
Quote from: ross4life on March 21, 2015, 01:46:38 AM
Quote from: mayoman dan on March 21, 2015, 01:31:26 AM
You might remind us how Rosscommon did on their last visit to Croke Park??? Some facts here for the Rossies that ye might not like but in the last 4 Years Mayo have beaten Donegal Dublin Tyrone and Cork in the championship.Ye shower havent bate f**k all the last 4 years.
And yet for all those glorious Croke park wins ye still have only won one more senior All Ireland than us. Cool your jets desperate dan.
Desperate Dan??? i didnt realise there was 4 year olds on this forum.Pathetic
Were you not the one who started it.
Mayoman Dan, on our last visit to Croke Park less than 12 months ago, we beat Cavan in a thrilling Div 3 final, and brought home a cupeen. It's not often you see Mayo bringing home a cup from Croke Park.
Quote from: Shrewdness on March 21, 2015, 07:32:47 AM
Mayoman Dan, on our last visit to Croke Park less than 12 months ago, we beat Cavan in a thrilling Div 3 final, and brought home a cupeen. It's not often you see Mayo bringing home a cup from Croke Park.
didn't catch that game.....must 'av been pay per view
Tg4 a mhaicín.
The whole f**king lot of ye would need to cop on and stop insulting each other. It's pathetic at this stage.
Oh my Dear Rossie neighbours you are a noisy bunch but the one thing I admire about ye is Ye have the neck of a jockeys bolloix .14 years baten after baten but ye still scream in our faces about your great team. At least your support wagon will be back this year , over the last ten years I never seen such poor turnouts from the Rossie .
Will ye be brave enough to play us in Castlebar if we beat galway or will ye opt for Salthill ?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 21, 2015, 09:44:59 AM
The whole f**king lot of ye would need to cop on and stop insulting each other. It's pathetic at this stage.
Ahh will YA shtop , Tis a bit of banter . If it's an indicator for the summer ahead it makes for an electrifying atmosphere for the connacht championship for a change . I long for them days to be back , packed out grounds, Jimmy burkes goal, broken crossbars, Derek duggans point etc etc. I still think we will have the edge but maybe that's in hope rather than rational thoughts.
Just watched the match back this morning. Desperate stuff, the dubs had way more intensity and worked much harder all over the pitch.
AOS was our best player by a mile, Keith decent also although he barely moved when Kevin mc waltzed by him for the 2nd goal, Keegan tried hard in the first half, anonymous in the 2nd, Boyle the opposite. Thought kirby and dillon did ok when they came on. DO'C and Durcan can be forgiven as they haven't faced anything like that before; Cunniffe also as he was coming back from injury.
Vaughan and freeman were very poor for us, barely noticed Vaughan on the ball once.
Management very slow to make changes - 10 down at ht and no sub until 45 minutes. That's either cos they're clueless or because they knew the team wouldn't be firing on all cylinders (due to training) although if that were the case, they should have played much more defensively.
Kick passing and hand passing generally very poor.
When we did break out, there seemed to be no support from behind or players making runs in front and the player on the ball had to turn back into trouble.
If we're playing a big man at ff, we need to learn how to play in decent ball, only when dillon came on was there a good ball played in
On the upside, they have plenty to work on......
Quote from: ross4life on March 21, 2015, 01:08:24 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 20, 2015, 11:30:36 PM
I see ye got bet by Laois, by seven points at that.
Yet Laois weren't good enough for Cavan, or for Westmeath and could only draw with Meath. Somehow or other, I'll still be sticking me few bob on Mayo to make it five-in-a-row in Connacht this year.
Ya the Laois result suits your argument very well on the other hand we bet Down & Kildare away remind me how Mayo did on their last visits to Newbridge and Newry? i always go for value odds myself & i might place a few bob on Galway to beat ye in June.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 20, 2015, 01:55:22 PM
BTW, the Senan bloke would be fairly handy if only ye could get the lazy f**ker to run a biteen faster. Mobility isn't his strongest point. Ian might be useful if he could stay injury-free. Two fine lads, didn't I go to school with their father?
Was talking to Sean Kilbride in Kiltoom on Wednesday night at the U21 game he'd sure love that lazy stereotyping above. Yes not for the first time you have told us that you went to school with him, so it seems like Sean Kilbride you were educated & kicked your first football in Roscommon. I think its time you signed up to club rossie Lar :D
<sigh>
Here we go again...
Lookit, as the one and only JH might have put it, I was responding to shrewdness when he got a rush of blood to the head and made the extraordinary statement that:
"At this stage, i reckon that Mayo would be glad of any of the Ros forwards. Ros now surely have better forwards than Mayo."
My not unreasonable response is that he's
talking shite,not taking into account that Ross operate in a lower division so direct comparisons are invidious.
In a previous post by larry (syferus?) I picked up on:
"Senan Kilbride, Ian Kilbride = never beaten Mayo. ( senior championship )"
Can you or indeed any rational entity make sense of that?
Nah, I didn't think so.
Now I've nothing personal against Sean Kilbride's sons- if they are half as good as their father, they have to be decent footballers.
However, Ian is beset by injury and Senan hasn't got fleetness of foot , to put it mildly.
No shame in that, neither has Cillian O'Connor.
Both good footballers but you'll never see either go on defence-splitting solo runs ala James O'Donoghue.
Also, if all Ross forwards are better than their Mayo counterparts, how come they failed to outscore a very mediocre Laois side?
Sure ye bet the likes of Down and Kildare but with all due respects, neither side would come within an asses's roar of Kerry or Monaghan.
Now, I can't be any fairer than that, can I?
Quote from: larryin89 on March 21, 2015, 09:57:43 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 21, 2015, 09:44:59 AM
The whole f**king lot of ye would need to cop on and stop insulting each other. It's pathetic at this stage.
Ahh will YA shtop , Tis a bit of banter . If it's an indicator for the summer ahead it makes for an electrifying atmosphere for the connacht championship for a change . I long for them days to be back , packed out grounds, Jimmy burkes goal, broken crossbars, Derek duggans point etc etc. I still think we will have the edge but maybe that's in hope rather than rational thoughts.
+1
Quote from: larryin89 on March 21, 2015, 09:51:58 AM
Oh my Dear Rossie neighbours you are a noisy bunch but the one thing I admire about ye is Ye have the neck of a jockeys bolloix .14 years baten after baten but ye still scream in our faces about your great team. At least your support wagon will be back this year , over the last ten years I never seen such poor turnouts from the Rossie .
Will ye be brave enough to play us in Castlebar if we beat galway or will ye opt for Salthill ?Castlebar mayos home game.Ross mayo galway have an arrangement final or not
Quote from: mjg on March 21, 2015, 11:48:16 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on March 21, 2015, 09:51:58 AM
Oh my Dear Rossie neighbours you are a noisy bunch but the one thing I admire about ye is Ye have the neck of a jockeys bolloix .14 years baten after baten but ye still scream in our faces about your great team. At least your support wagon will be back this year , over the last ten years I never seen such poor turnouts from the Rossie .
Will ye be brave enough to play us in Castlebar if we beat galway or will ye opt for Salthill ?Castlebar mayos home game.Ross mayo galway have an arrangement final or not
The arrangement became void for finals when Hyde park was deemed unfit to hold final , now the question is, do Roscommon say , we will have the hyde ready for the next final meeting between the two and go with Castlebbar or do they go for the neutral ground option ? I'm pretty sure it would be their choice , nothing else would make sense.
If its a Ros v Mayo connacht final( and neither team may make it that far) it will be in Castlebar, who in their right mind would want to play in salthill, and if ros mayo meet the following year and the hyde is not ready it will still be in Castlebar, both counties are mature enough to work out a proper agreement.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 21, 2015, 09:44:59 AM
The whole f**king lot of ye would need to cop on and stop insulting each other. It's pathetic at this stage.
Agree. Very strange dynamic going on here.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 21, 2015, 10:26:04 AM
Also, if all Ross forwards are better than their Mayo counterparts, how come they failed to outscore a very mediocre Laois side?
Sure ye bet the likes of Down and Kildare but with all due respects, neither side would come within an asses’s roar of Kerry or Monaghan.
Now, I can’t be any fairer than that, can I?
It took extra time to separate Kildare & Monaghan last summer. Down looking likely to swap places with Derry now & they have top championship record against Kerry.
Our Laois and Down results was indication of how inconsistent as a team we are now though at least we now performing better than our last visit to div 2.
While i'm not getting into the debate on better forwards i do understand what your forwards have is experience & are seasoned at the highest level, i know you probably wouldn't swap them for anyone in the lower leagues however plenty of good forwards are playing in the lower leagues for example Marren Sligo, Quigley Fermanagh, Kingston Laois, Reilly Meath, Sweeney Tipp to name just a few that would all cause plenty of damage to div 1 defences.
Quote from: giveballaghback on March 21, 2015, 02:07:07 PM
If its a Ros v Mayo connacht final( and neither team may make it that far) it will be in Castlebar, who in their right mind would want to play in salthill, and if ros mayo meet the following year and the hyde is not ready it will still be in Castlebar, both counties are mature enough to work out a proper agreement.
Hasn't been a Connacht final down by the seaside since 2009 & while we wait for the redevelopment of the Hyde is it fair to Galway GAA having every final in Castlebar? they have debts to pay off also.
Quote from: ross4life on March 21, 2015, 10:02:42 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 21, 2015, 10:26:04 AM
Also, if all Ross forwards are better than their Mayo counterparts, how come they failed to outscore a very mediocre Laois side?
Sure ye bet the likes of Down and Kildare but with all due respects, neither side would come within an asses's roar of Kerry or Monaghan.
Now, I can't be any fairer than that, can I?
It took extra time to separate Kildare & Monaghan last summer. Down looking likely to swap places with Derry now & they have top championship record against Kerry.
Our Laois and Down results was indication of how inconsistent as a team we are now though at least we now performing better than our last visit to div 2.
While i'm not getting into the debate on better forwards i do understand what your forwards have is experience & are seasoned at the highest level, i know you probably wouldn't swap them for anyone in the lower leagues however plenty of good forwards are playing in the lower leagues for example Marren Sligo, Quigley Fermanagh, Kingston Laois, Reilly Meath, Sweeney Tipp to name just a few that would all cause plenty of damage to div 1 defences.
Yes, you are right there. I think I know what shrewdness meant but he failed to take into account that Mayo has one of the most seasoned sides in the game and they have had a few years of serious training and conditioning behind them. The forwards work (used to work?) very well as a unit and and no outsider could hope to walk straight onto that team.
Now, your forwards are pretty good, or so it seems . But they never seem able to play to their full potential. It's been a long time since I saw a Rossie side that could or would give a sustained performance from start to finish.
I guess the game today could well define your season.
Not sure of the figures but I think a win today should see you in Div 1 next season. As you say, you're a very inconsistent side but I think you have been that way for a good many years. I can't understand why.
(Good luck today, btw.)
Did we not come within an Andy Moran of beating these 'seasoned performers' last year?
Quote from: Syferus on March 22, 2015, 01:15:33 PM
Did we not come within an Andy Moran of beating these 'seasoned performers' last year?
Yes but it was a case of Mayo playing badly rather than Ross playing well.
I'd put that down to the fact that Mayo's training regime was geared for peaking in the Autumn and they nearly got a nasty surprise.
However, I don't honestly think the sides would have been so close if Ross and not Kerry, met Mayo in the semi.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 22, 2015, 02:41:26 PM
Quote from: Syferus on March 22, 2015, 01:15:33 PM
Did we not come within an Andy Moran of beating these 'seasoned performers' last year?
Yes but it was a case of Mayo playing badly rather than Ross playing well.
I'd put that down to the fact that Mayo's training regime was geared for peaking in the Autumn and they nearly got a nasty surprise.
However, I don't honestly think the sides would have been so close if Ross and not Kerry, met Mayo in the semi.
Ah yeah, sure who could have stopped the juggernaut that was Donegal Lite anyways? Not mere mortals.
What are Ye going to do if Ross don't win connacht this year? I mean how much longer can ye hang back , surely we have to see all this come to fruit this year?
Quote from: moysider on March 21, 2015, 09:36:18 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 21, 2015, 09:44:59 AM
The whole f**king lot of ye would need to cop on and stop insulting each other. It's pathetic at this stage.
Agree. Very strange dynamic going on here.
No harm in banter and a bit of slagging but some seriously bitter posting going on.
Curse of 51 and no forwards bar one leave mayo with dumb and dumber. :)
Quote from: gibbs32 on March 22, 2015, 07:25:55 PM
Curse of 51 and no forwards bar one leave mayo with dumb and dumber. :)
Posters like you will vanish come the 19th of July! Heard it all before. Wait for your county to achieve any form of standard before you talk the talk.
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 22, 2015, 07:53:23 PM
Quote from: gibbs32 on March 22, 2015, 07:25:55 PM
Curse of 51 and no forwards bar one leave mayo with dumb and dumber. :)
Posters like you will vanish come the 19th of July! Heard it all before. Wait for your county to achieve any form of standard before you talk the talk.
I don't know what's worse, him trolling Rossies by pretending to be one or you believing he actually is one.
Are you a dictator syfrus??im a rossie thru and thru and my optimism worked and your pessimism failed badly pal
Quote from: gibbs32 on March 22, 2015, 08:11:34 PM
Are you a dictator syfrus??im a rossie thru and thru and my optimism worked and your pessimism failed badly pal
:) You're the first fella to ever call Syferus a pessimist!!
Keep it up, this will be great to look back on in July.