http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-27699398
Where do i put in my complaint, Ferenc Puskas a deep lying midfielder not an out and out striker, this is squeezing him out of my team,alias i picked the best of what on offer, you cant look by Pele, Maradome and Cruyff up front.
Oh well i go with
Zoff,
Cafu, Beckenbeur, Maldini, Alberto,
Garrincha, Matthaus, Rivelino,
Maradona, Pele, Cruyff,
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 08, 2014, 11:36:02 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-27699398
Where do i put in my complaint, not to have Ferenc Puskas on this is a disgrace,alias i picked the best of what on offer, you cant look by Pele, Maradome and Cruyff up front.
They are lucky they didn't have Paul McGrath marking them.
No Roy Keane?
I'm walking out on this thread in protest.....
Quote from: laoislad on June 09, 2014, 12:19:39 AM
No Roy Keane?
I'm walking out on this thread in protest.....
I wouldn't get out of bed for under 5k (
in 25 minutes).
Escobar in 94. Brilliant strike
Banks;
Passerella, Moore, Beckenbauer, Carlos Alberto;
Charlton, Revelino, Jarzinho;
Maradona, Pele, Cruyff
Doffing a cap to the best era of world cups (in my opinion), the 70s. (even if Diego was an 80s star).
Quote from: rossiewanderer on June 09, 2014, 02:05:15 AM
Escobar in 94. Brilliant strike
Because a man getting shot dead is funny. Moron.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 08, 2014, 11:36:02 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-27699398
Where do i put in my complaint, not to have Ferenc Puskas on this is a disgrace,alias i picked the best of what on offer, you cant look by Pele, Maradome and Cruyff up front.
Puskas is on it. I've gone for
------------Buffon
Cannavaro, Baresi, Maldini
-----------Pirlo--------------
Garrincha-------Zidane--
---------Rivaldo-----------
Maradona-------Cryuff--
---------Ronaldo--------
I went for:
Zoff
Krol-Beckenbauer-Bergomi-Maldini
Pirlo
Garrincha-Zidane
Cruyff
Maradona-Pele
No Jean Tigana there though, so superb for France '82 - '86.
Buffon
Cafu - Beckenbaur - Baresi - Maldini
C. Ronaldo - Platini - Mattheaus - Cruyff
Maradona - Muller
Quote from: PAULD123 on June 09, 2014, 02:41:05 PM
Buffon
Cafu - Beckenbaur - Baresi - Maldini
C. Ronaldo - Platini - Mattheaus - Cruyff
Maradona - Muller
Cristiano Ronaldo ? Two goals in two World Cups I think
Quote from: Minder on June 09, 2014, 02:48:45 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on June 09, 2014, 02:41:05 PM
Buffon
Cafu - Beckenbaur - Baresi - Maldini
C. Ronaldo - Platini - Mattheaus - Cruyff
Maradona - Muller
Cristiano Ronaldo ? Two goals in two World Cups I think
Depends on how you are looking at it. I viewed it as the greatest 11 players that have played at a world cup as opposed to the greatest 11 performances at a world cup. If you are basing it solely on world cup performances then Toto Schillachi, Robert Vittek, Mark Wilmots, and half the South Korean team of 2002 are all better than Wayne Rooney, Robbie Fowler, Francesco Totti, and Lionel Messi!!
But these things are just opinion. In my opinion Cristiano Ronaldo has reached a level of excellence that would see him walk into any team in history. So I have no problem finding a wing berth for him, The other options would be Garrincha, Jairzinho, Ronaldinho, Stoichkov. I think he is better than any of them.
Buffon
Maldini Cannavaro Baresi Bergomi
Platini Cruyff Zidane Matthaus
Maradona Pele
Not too shabby I'd say - didn't intentionally pick an Italian back 5 - just happened that way!
I went
Buffon
Carlos Alberto
Baresi
Beckenbaur
Maldini
Socrates
Zico
Platini
Pele
Maradona
Cruyff
Quote from: CD on June 09, 2014, 07:18:40 PM
Buffon
Maldini Cannavaro Baresi Bergomi
Platini Cruyff Zidane Matthaus
Maradona Pele
Not too shabby I'd say - didn't intentionally pick an Italian back 5 - just happened that way!
Maldini was a left-back or sometimes centre back but never right back, I think you would want to swap him with Bergomi. Also you've picked three central midfielders and three forwards. Wouldn't that team be vulnerable down the wings?
Quote from: PAULD123 on June 09, 2014, 09:00:57 PM
Quote from: CD on June 09, 2014, 07:18:40 PM
Buffon
Maldini Cannavaro Baresi Bergomi
Platini Cruyff Zidane Matthaus
Maradona Pele
Not too shabby I'd say - didn't intentionally pick an Italian back 5 - just happened that way!
Maldini was a left-back or sometimes centre back but never right back, I think you would want to swap him with Bergomi. Also you've picked three central midfielders and three forwards. Wouldn't that team be vulnerable down the wings?
The other team would only have the ball for kick-offs.
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 09, 2014, 08:34:09 PM
I went
Buffon
Carlos Alberto
Baresi
Beckenbaur
Maldini
Socrates
Zico
Platini
Pele
Maradona
Cruyff
Love the back 4 and forwards. No so sure about Platini - stick Zidane or Matthaus in there for me.
Was Beckenbauer a centre half? I always thought he was a defensive midfielder.
Quote from: trileacman on June 09, 2014, 10:51:38 PM
Was Beckenbauer a centre half? I always thought he was a defensive midfielder.
Midfielder in his early days before becoming a famed libero.
There only seems to be a major argument about the middle 3 or 4 - I couldn't be having AZ's choices, who'd do the work FFS? ;D
My team are playing the beautiful game :D If I wanted to pick a team to win it, I'd have Claudio Gentile in there to decapitate someone.
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 10, 2014, 09:20:15 AM
My team are playing the beautiful game :D If I wanted to pick a team to win it, I'd have Claudio Gentile in there to decapitate someone.
I thought about playing Gentile in my back four but he'd never have got near it - he'd be behind Baresi and Cannavaro at least, as well as the four I picked.
Your midfield would never get the ball near your strikers - you need to replace Platini or Zico with Makalele and they might have some possession.
Surprised to say the least not to see Peter Shilton listed amongs the goalkeepers. Zoff the obvious choice for goalkeeper though.
Honestly think the team should be picked on players you have actually seen play and not players your oul fella raves on about.
Mine is. Well, except that I only saw videos of Beckenbaur, Pele and Alberto.
I was surprised not to see Romario mentioned (But then I looked at who you would have to drop!!) I remember parts of 90 but 94 was prob the first I completely remember.
Paolo Rossi, Golden Boot, Golden Ball and won the World Cup, only a couple of players managed that, he'd a great 82 Final
He had, but is he better than Pele, Cruyff or Maradona? I don't think so. In fact you could say the Brazilian Ronaldo is better than Rossi.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 10, 2014, 10:37:08 AM
Paolo Rossi, Golden Boot, Golden Ball and won the World Cup, only a couple of players managed that, he'd a great 82 Final
Romario won FIFA player of year, Golden Boot and World cup in 94. But as Az says who do you drop?
Sorry Diego, can you give Paolo a run out here? T'would be some ego's to manage there.
Personally think a minimum of playing 2 good World Cup finals needed to make the team. Would rule likes of Rossi, Cruyff and a few others out.
Lineker would make my team.
Could easily have a goalie and entire backline made up of Italians tbh.
82 was the first World Cup i can remember watching - and for months afterwards it was "Bags being Rossi for 3-and-in!"
whatever happened to the bould Paolo? Probably knocking about the one World Cup Wonders retirement home with Schillacci, Romario, the ghost of Just Fontaine etc
just googled Fontaine there - he's still alive!! Apologies Just, keep on truckin' there.
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 10, 2014, 10:30:23 AM
Mine is. Well, except that I only saw videos of Beckenbaur, Pele and Alberto.
Mine is, except for Garrincha and Pele, and I saw videos too. :P
I see Canalman's point about Cruyff - he's probably there, not for what he did in World Cups but for other stuff. I'd have to replace him with Muller if it was just about World Cups I suppose.
I was trying to create a world 11 that have never graced a world cup that might be able to give your various teams a game. Was struggling with defenders though.
Weah
Di Stefano Cantona
Giggs Le tissier Best
Hypia
Southall
John Charles, Billy Wright, Stanley Matthews, Tom Finney? Arnold Muhren? Liam Brady, John Giles, Jackie Carey, Danny Blanchflower, Duncan Edwards? Dennis Law? (Not sure about some of these).
I was going to mention John Charles but did Wales not get to a WC Finals in the fifties? Ivor Allchurch and all that?
They did in 1958. Same as Northern Ireland's first one with Billy Bingham and Harry Gregg
They got to the quarterfinals and were knocked out by Brazil - Pele got the winning goal. Charles played in the group phase and got injured - missed him against the Selecao
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 10, 2014, 10:38:56 AM
He had, but is he better than Pele, Cruyff or Maradona? I don't think so. In fact you could say the Brazilian Ronaldo is better than Rossi.
But was Ronaldo a better player in the World cups? He was great as a club player but had a complete meltdown leading up to the finals in France.
Cruyff could play in the area in front of the attackers. Rossi was your out and out striker, Rossi also won European player of the year also in 82 so not too shabby by all accounts, this after coming back from a 2 year ban
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 10, 2014, 01:51:18 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 10, 2014, 10:38:56 AM
He had, but is he better than Pele, Cruyff or Maradona? I don't think so. In fact you could say the Brazilian Ronaldo is better than Rossi.
But was Ronaldo a better player in the World cups? He was great as a club player but had a complete meltdown leading up to the finals in France.
Cruyff could play in the area in front of the attackers. Rossi was your out and out striker, Rossi also won European player of the year also in 82 so not too shabby by all accounts, this after coming back from a 2 year ban
ronaldo is the top scorer ever in World Cups, with 15. In the 1998 world Cup he was having a fine tournament until the final, and the whole Nike/seizure thing. In 2002 he won the world Cup and scored twice in the final.
Quote from: HiMucker on June 10, 2014, 01:08:01 PM
I was trying to create a world 11 that have never graced a world cup that might be able to give your various teams a game. Was struggling with defenders though.
Weah
Di Stefano Cantona
Giggs Le tissier Best
Hypia
Southall
Liam Brady would be a better shout than Le Tessier. Mark Lawrenson was a terrific defender who I would put in.
Amazingly, Miroslav Klose only needs one more (?) to equal his record, two to become all time WC goal scorer. If he was English he'd be playing for Stoke and doing the robot dance. in fact, i'd actually rate Crouchigol ahead of klose.
Hagi was a quare player. I know theres Cruff, Pele, Walcott and Maradona, but the original Ronaldo should really get a spot in a World Cup XI
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 10, 2014, 01:44:30 PM
They did in 1958. Same as Northern Ireland's first one with Billy Bingham and Harry Gregg
And probably Blanchflower also I'd say.
Quote from: PAULD123 on June 09, 2014, 09:00:57 PM
Quote from: CD on June 09, 2014, 07:18:40 PM
Buffon
Maldini Cannavaro Baresi Bergomi
Platini Cruyff Zidane Matthaus
Maradona Pele
Not too shabby I'd say - didn't intentionally pick an Italian back 5 - just happened that way!
Maldini was a left-back or sometimes centre back but never right back, I think you would want to swap him with Bergomi. Also you've picked three central midfielders and three forwards. Wouldn't that team be vulnerable down the wings?
You play where you're picked in my teams! :D
Actually Hardy, I think Messi does go down a bit easier now. Having said that, when he is dribbling he does prefer to stay up and stumble on while the ball is still there. Suarez (don't laugh) is actually a bit similar in that regard.
And here's the Yang.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSLxa3MYMcw&feature=kp
By the way, watch the Deportivo (?) player in the first dive clip. The ref bumps him and he goes down like a shot. Class.
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 10, 2014, 04:50:07 PM
Actually Hardy, I think Messi does go down a bit easier now. Having said that, when he is dribbling he does prefer to stay up and stumble on while the ball is still there. Suarez (don't laugh) is actually a bit similar in that regard.
And here's the Yang.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSLxa3MYMcw&feature=kp (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSLxa3MYMcw&feature=kp)
By the way, watch the Deportivo (?) player in the first dive clip. The ref bumps him and he goes down like a shot. Class.
I should have known better. Thought I'd found an honest, decent soccer player. I was nearly going to watch an Argentina match in the WC. Ah well. Post deleted.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 10, 2014, 01:51:18 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 10, 2014, 10:38:56 AM
He had, but is he better than Pele, Cruyff or Maradona? I don't think so. In fact you could say the Brazilian Ronaldo is better than Rossi.
But was Ronaldo a better player in the World cups? He was great as a club player but had a complete meltdown leading up to the finals in France
Cruyff could play in the area in front of the attackers. Rossi was your out and out striker, Rossi also won European player of the year also in 82 so not too shabby by all accounts, this after coming back from a 2 year ban
He was better. Only had the "meltdown" before the final. He had 4 goals up to that, He came back from serious injury to bag 8 in the 2002 finals. He got another 3 in 2006 despite been overweight.
To me he was the ultimate WC striker
Quote from: Rossie11 on June 10, 2014, 09:23:32 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 10, 2014, 01:51:18 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 10, 2014, 10:38:56 AM
He had, but is he better than Pele, Cruyff or Maradona? I don't think so. In fact you could say the Brazilian Ronaldo is better than Rossi.
But was Ronaldo a better player in the World cups? He was great as a club player but had a complete meltdown leading up to the finals in France
Cruyff could play in the area in front of the attackers. Rossi was your out and out striker, Rossi also won European player of the year also in 82 so not too shabby by all accounts, this after coming back from a 2 year ban
He was better. Only had the "meltdown" before the final. He had 4 goals up to that, He came back from serious injury to bag 8 in the 2002 finals. He got another 3 in 2006 despite been overweight.
To me he was the ultimate WC striker
+1. Best I've seen at the WC. Some player
Quote from: J OGorman on June 10, 2014, 10:02:09 PM
Quote from: Rossie11 on June 10, 2014, 09:23:32 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 10, 2014, 01:51:18 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 10, 2014, 10:38:56 AM
He had, but is he better than Pele, Cruyff or Maradona? I don't think so. In fact you could say the Brazilian Ronaldo is better than Rossi.
But was Ronaldo a better player in the World cups? He was great as a club player but had a complete meltdown leading up to the finals in France
Cruyff could play in the area in front of the attackers. Rossi was your out and out striker, Rossi also won European player of the year also in 82 so not too shabby by all accounts, this after coming back from a 2 year ban
He was better. Only had the "meltdown" before the final. He had 4 goals up to that, He came back from serious injury to bag 8 in the 2002 finals. He got another 3 in 2006 despite been overweight.
To me he was the ultimate WC striker
+1. Best I've seen at the WC. Some player
What a player. His standing ovation at Old Trafford after destroying United on his own was something to behold.
Quote from: HiMucker on June 10, 2014, 01:08:01 PM
I was trying to create a world 11 that have never graced a world cup that might be able to give your various teams a game. Was struggling with defenders though.
Weah
Di Stefano Cantona
Giggs Le tissier Best
Hypia
Southall
A few suggestions:
Goalkeeper - Grobbelaar
defenders - Kevin Ratcliffe, Steve Bruce, Mark Lawrenson, Billy McNeill (Caesar), Jim Beglin, kahka Kaladze, Johnny Metgod
Midfield - Johnny Giles, Kinkladze, Craig Johnston, Basile Boli, Ginola, Gus Poyet
Forwards - Ian Rush, Adebi Pele, Brend Schuster, Anelka
I always call him the real Ronaldo!!
The real Ronaldo is a certainty in any World Cup team no matter what criteria is applied. He was brilliant for every club he played for and was brilliant at the World Cups, even appearing at 4 finals for a man with the fitness issues and injuries he had is some achievement.
Should Just Fontaine not make every team too? What a record! How good was he?
So who loses out if Ronaldo makes it? Hardly Pele or Maradona?
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 11, 2014, 01:41:43 PM
So who loses out if Ronaldo makes it? Hardly Pele or Maradona?
Or Cruyff.
Maybe Cruyff alright. My point would be that there's loads that probably deserve to be in it, but it's hard to have room for everyone. Like would Klose be on anyone's team? Just Fontaine or Klinsman?
I meant that you couldn't drop Cruyff for Ronaldo - there's a better case for dropping Maradona, I think.
It is all about balance of players. If you have the creative genius of Maradona and Cruyff in your team then you are probably better with an out and out poacher like Gerd Muller, Kilnsman, Van Nistelrooy. Some one who will just knock all those chances in.
A few years ago Barcelona played at Celtic park and had the best players in Europe, they totally ran the game and dominated beyond belief. But they seldom created a clear goalscoring opportunity. They had no goal poacher.
Incidentally I would rather have Van Basten than Ronaldo, but it would be the real Van Basten not the pale shadow of himself that pitched up for the 1990 world cup.
The Dutch must still rue 1990. They had easily the most talented squad at the time but it seemed they couldn't put their egos aside. My memory(though I was very young at the time) is that Van Basten insisted on playing in midfield even though he was the best striker in the world at the time.
Quote from: Billys Boots on June 11, 2014, 01:59:12 PM
I meant that you couldn't drop Cruyff for Ronaldo - there's a better case for dropping Maradona, I think.
God that's a big call. I'd have said Maradona was better than Cruyff. But I still can't have dropping any of them. Now if these were all on a panel of players and I had to pick a team to win a match, it might be a bit different, especially in my midfield.
Quote from: Asal Mor on June 11, 2014, 02:23:58 PM
The Dutch must still rue 1990. They had easily the most talented squad at the time but it seemed they couldn't put their egos aside. My memory(though I was very young at the time) is that Van Basten insisted on playing in midfield even though he was the best striker in the world at the time.
And '74. And '78.
74 would be the worst maybe?
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 11, 2014, 02:27:57 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on June 11, 2014, 01:59:12 PM
I meant that you couldn't drop Cruyff for Ronaldo - there's a better case for dropping Maradona, I think.
God that's a big call. I'd have said Maradona was better than Cruyff. But I still can't have dropping any of them. Now if these were all on a panel of players and I had to pick a team to win a match, it might be a bit different, especially in my midfield.
I personally wouldn't drop any of them for Ronaldo - if I was one-nil down with 10 mins left I'd bring on Muller for Pele (he's getting on a bit). :)
Der Bomber.
(http://www.hoganstand.com/Common/ImageGallery/eoinliston.jpg)
This is cool
http://youtu.be/iXyrQTcSmzY
A few years ago at work we had a discussion about which nation would have the best XI if you could chose players from their history. I went with Germany. I still think the following would take beating - and these are oonly the ones I remember playing.
Sepp Maier
Jurgen Kohler Matthias Sammer
Bertie Vogts Paul Breitner
Franz Beckenbauer
Wolfgang Overath Lothar Matthaus Gunter Netzer
Karl Heinz Rumminigge
Gerd Muller
Who ll take those on?
Quote from: moysider on June 11, 2014, 05:22:56 PM
A few years ago at work we had a discussion about which nation would have the best XI if you could chose players from their history. I went with Germany. I still think the following would take beating - and these are oonly the ones I remember playing.
Sepp Maier
Jurgen Kohler Matthias Sammer
Bertie Vogts Paul Breitner
Franz Beckenbauer
Wolfgang Overath Lothar Matthaus Gunter Netzer
Karl Heinz Rumminigge
Gerd Muller
Who ll take those on?
Lamh not make that team? he's been some servant to the fatherland
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 11, 2014, 05:26:13 PM
Quote from: moysider on June 11, 2014, 05:22:56 PM
A few years ago at work we had a discussion about which nation would have the best XI if you could chose players from their history. I went with Germany. I still think the following would take beating - and these are oonly the ones I remember playing.
Sepp Maier
Jurgen Kohler Matthias Sammer
Bertie Vogts Paul Breitner
Franz Beckenbauer
Wolfgang Overath Lothar Matthaus Gunter Netzer
Karl Heinz Rumminigge
Gerd Muller
Who ll take those on?
Lamh not make that team? he's been some servant to the fatherland
Ye can put him in for Vogts if you want. Yeah probably better.
Italia
Zoff
Zambrotta Baresi Bergomi Maldini
Gentile
Conti Pirlo
Del Piero Baggio
Rossi
Beat that you German f*ckers!
Quote from: Billys Boots on June 11, 2014, 05:44:22 PM
Italia
Zoff
Zambrotta-Baresi-Bergomi-Maldini
Fabio Cannavaro?
Jaysus man, give me a minute - the history of Italian defenders is so impressive that Cannavaro wouldn't make a second string defence (ah he would though).
Quote from: Billys Boots on June 11, 2014, 05:51:25 PM
Jaysus man, give me a minute - the history of Italian defenders is so impressive that Cannavaro wouldn't make a second string defence (ah he would though).
I'm fecking with you, but in fairness he was brilliant and for someone as small as he was he could fairly mix it with the big lads
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 11, 2014, 05:49:20 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on June 11, 2014, 05:44:22 PM
Italia
Zoff
Zambrotta-Baresi-Bergomi-Maldini
Fabio Cannavaro?
Gaetano Scirea RIP would have to be there as well.
My Italian team would be
Buffon
Gentile, Cannavaro, Scirea, Baresi, Maldini
Conti Tardelli Pirlo
Rossi Bettega
Still not as good as Germans from midfield up. Spoiled for defenders with players like Nesta, Bergomi and Cabrini top players too.
To me Maldini is the best defender the world has ever seen, George Best is on any world 11, he was incredible, as was Duncan Edwards, Van Basten is the only Dutchman to come near this this team and Matthews, Finney and Esuebio need to be in there.
Paul McGrath is on the cusp, he was magnificent when he was on but not quite making the starting 11, but Maldini, he was absolutely sublime and a privilege to watch!
You really cant go wrong with any of the aforementioned but Zidane..... on his best day was never the equal of Finney or Matthews, still, he was incredible!
No mention of Puskas from anyone, another genius player that does not make the cut.
mentioned Puskas on the opening post, would have had him in the team as a deep lying midfielder, he on the site as a striker, though my team would been very unbalanced, with the defensive midfielder over run by himself
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 11, 2014, 06:42:40 PM
mentioned Puskas on the opening post, would have had him in the team as a deep lying midfielder, he on the site as a srtiker, though my team would been very unbalanced, with the defensive midfielder over run by himself
I stand corrected weasel, Ferenc was unreal as were any of the players mention on this thread!
Quote from: Canalman on June 10, 2014, 10:52:13 AM
Personally think a minimum of playing 2 good World Cup finals needed to make the team. Would rule likes of Rossi, Cruyff and a few others out.
Lineker would make my team.
Could easily have a goalie and entire backline made up of Italians tbh.
Lineker :D
Great player but even Greaves was a ton better!
A poacher nothing more, not a inch on Van Basten, Ronaldo, Pele, Eusebio, or Zico
Late to this thread but this would be my overall XI ( but its silly as well as impossibly but fun.
Maier.
Gentille
Baresi
Der Kaiser
Maldini
Garrincha
Socrates
Falcao/Gerson
Cruyff
Pele
Maradonna
Here's a question for Italian (or "real") defender fans
In 2010 Spain conceded no goals in the knock outs on their way to winning it
If the same thing happened this year would anyone put Ramos or Pique in ahead of any of the Italians?? Or will those 2 every be considered proper defenders?
Quote from: Rossie11 on June 11, 2014, 11:58:08 PM
Here's a question for Italian (or "real") defender fans
In 2010 Spain conceded no goals in the knock outs on their way to winning it
If the same thing happened this year would anyone put Ramos or Pique in ahead of any of the Italians?? Or will those 2 every be considered proper defenders?
No. No player or nothing that happens now will upset the historical greats of the game - unless England win another World cup. Nobody ever can ever be as good as Garrincha, Pele, Maradonna or Cruffi no more than there be changes to the Presidents on Mt. Rushmore. They are timeless.
Football is the polar opposite of the Gaelic. Gaelic only started in 2002 and football was finishing up as a credible sport round about then but in reality it was fucked up long before then. A bit like the boxing. Only fighters from 70s,80s, and 90s qualify. Or earlier if you re old enough to have seen Sugar Ray or De Stefano. Later stuff is over paid and hyped. Messi or Ronaldo the Port. can never be considered better than the earlier players for obvious reasons.
Quote from: Rossie11 on June 11, 2014, 11:58:08 PM
Here's a question for Italian (or "real") defender fans
In 2010 Spain conceded no goals in the knock outs on their way to winning it
If the same thing happened this year would anyone put Ramos or Pique in ahead of any of the Italians?? Or will those 2 every be considered proper defenders?
My view is that Spain's midfield's ball-retention was so good that their defence wasn't truly 'tested' - the opposition was so bollocksed trying to get the ball that they weren't able to do anything with it when they got it. As Spain's midfield is now on the wain I think this WC will tell us about the defensive merits of the two in question.
I'm like a child today I'm so excited. :D
Quote from: moysider on June 12, 2014, 12:18:58 AM
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No. No player or nothing that happens now will upset the historical greats of the game - unless England win another World cup. Nobody ever can ever be as good as Garrincha, Pele, Maradonna or Cruffi no more than there be changes to the Presidents on Mt. Rushmore. They are timeless.
Football is the polar opposite of the Gaelic. Gaelic only started in 2002 and football was finishing up as a credible sport round about then but in reality it was fucked up long before then. A bit like the boxing. Only fighters from 70s,80s, and 90s qualify. Or earlier if you re old enough to have seen Sugar Ray or De Stefano. Later stuff is over paid and hyped. Messi or Ronaldo the Port. can never be considered better than the earlier players for obvious reasons.
I don't agree with that. I've seen football since the days of Cruyff. Yes there are some great historical players from the 70's and 80's who would be better than most players today. There isn't a team around that wouldn't take Platini, Cruyff, Maradona, or Pele over anyone in their current line-up today, But I firmly believe that given a choice between Cristiano Ronaldo and any other wide player, in history that Ronaldo would be selected. I think that we are seeing a great of the game right now. he is head and shoulders above the players in Madrid and they are all world class to begin with.
Messi is slightly different in that he is a No.10. So he is up against Maradona and several other greats in that position. He deserves to be mentioned with them but I would never pick him ahead of Maradona.
Though, both Messi & Ronaldo really need to prove something at world level to cement their memories. I think Ronaldo is finally on the brink of showing his class at this tournament, providing he isn't hampered by injury
Brazil
Gonzo
Junior Minor Senior Tom
Inho Meenho Minho Mo
Tennyson Macbeth
Mozarella
Mirafiori Spaghetti Consigliere Trapattoni
Macaroni Cascarino Vermicelli
Tutti-Frutti Valpolicella Pepperoni
I'm going to keep at this till someone makes me stop.
Pistachio
Oratorio Pinnochio Studio Patio
Scenario Portfolio Cheerio
Polio Rio-de-Janerio Fellatio
Grnzy
Yrngz Z. Znyrg Ngryz Rnzgy
Nrgzy Nyrgz Gzynr Y.Znyrg
Gzrny Andy Reid
Quote from: Hardy on June 12, 2014, 12:13:53 PM
I'm going to keep at this till someone makes me stop.
Pistachio
Oratorio Pinnochio Studio Patio
Scenario Portfolio Cheerio
Polio Rio-de-Janerio Fellatio
Out injured, tight muscle
Archer
Baker Fletcher Hunter Miller
Robber Gouger Gurrier
Spinnaker Oxbow-Lake
Quote from: Hardy on June 12, 2014, 12:27:30 PM
Archer
Baker Fletcher Hunter Miller
Robber Gouger Gurrier
Spinnaker Oxbow-Lake
Was Masturbater dropped or sent-off?
Rodney Marsh's response to Alf Ramsey comes to mind.
Chekov
Handov Pistov Feckov Turnov
Petrov Showov Flyov Blastov
Ripov Beefstrogonov
Yes!
Gary Breen
Gary Breen - Gary Breen - Gary Breen - Gary Breen
Gary Breen - Gary Breen - Gary Breen - Gary Breen
Gary Breen - Gary Breen
We all dream of a team of Gary Breens!!!!
The black spider
The black pearl of Inchicore
Der Kaiser
The butcher from Bilbao
Il muro di Berlino
The little bird
The flea
The galloping major
The black panther
The man they call the monster
Der bomber
(And a bloody good team it is too!)
Quote from: mouview on June 12, 2014, 09:33:52 PM
The black spider
The black pearl of Inchicore
Der Kaiser
The butcher from Bilbao
Il muro di Berlino
The little bird
The flea
The galloping major
The black panther
The man they call the monster
Der bomber
(And a bloody good team it is too!)
That looks like a Booker Prize list.
whos the flea again?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 13, 2014, 05:42:28 PM
whos the flea again?
Alternatively the little bug. Pre-eminent player in the world.... :-)