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Title: Dublin's Cynicism in the AIF
Post by: StGallsGAA on September 26, 2013, 11:52:31 PM
I scoured the GAA sports pages all week but not much mention of it.  Why not? 

Title: Re: Dublin's Cynicism in the AIF
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 26, 2013, 11:56:12 PM
They're not from Tyrone  ;)
Title: Re: Dublin's Cynicism in the AIF
Post by: Rois on September 27, 2013, 12:05:34 AM
No wink required. Alienating Dublin supporters is a true no-no by any facet of the media.
(Ps no disrespect to the Dubs)
Title: Re: Dublin's Cynicism in the AIF
Post by: Syferus on September 27, 2013, 12:17:13 AM
At least Dublin played football for 60 minutes. Y'see, that tends to soften the blow when a team commits a cynical foul or two. Mickey, make some notes.
Title: Re: Dublin's Cynicism in the AIF
Post by: BennyCake on September 27, 2013, 12:24:46 AM
Rose tinted glasses. The media see what they want to see. Sure the GAA need Dublin doing well, otherwise the whole organisation would just cease to exist.
Title: Re: Dublin's Cynicism in the AIF
Post by: Canalman on September 27, 2013, 12:26:26 AM
Quote from: StGallsGAA on September 26, 2013, 11:52:31 PM
I scoured the GAA sports pages all week but not much mention of it.  Why not?

Don't know what papers you are reading  but plenty of mention of it alright. In fairness done at the end of the game / season when down to 13 fit players and 2 of them carrying knocks.
Title: Re: Dublin's Cynicism in the AIF
Post by: Main Street on September 27, 2013, 12:41:13 AM
The proof is in a search using the term "Tyrone cynicism" and another search "Dublin cynicism".

The Dubs are just part time cynics, but full time boot boys.



Title: Re: Dublin's Cynicism in the AIF
Post by: Aaron Boone on September 27, 2013, 12:49:05 AM
Joe Brolly went off on a cynical rant but damaged the Tyrone brand. Not so much affects you and me here, but the casual observers.

Dubs were cynical last ten mins, but horse has bolted.
Title: Re: Dublin's Cynicism in the AIF
Post by: Rois on September 27, 2013, 12:51:09 AM
Quote from: Canalman on September 27, 2013, 12:26:26 AM
Quote from: StGallsGAA on September 26, 2013, 11:52:31 PM
I scoured the GAA sports pages all week but not much mention of it.  Why not?

Don't know what papers you are reading  but plenty of mention of it alright. In fairness done at the end of the game / season when down to 13 fit players and 2 of them carrying knocks.

Yep, that excuses it. How many on here think that it was "fair"? Ok Syfillis does, anyone else?
Title: Re: Dublin's Cynicism in the AIF
Post by: Dirk Diggler on September 27, 2013, 01:27:11 AM
Only Dave Fitzgerald rivals Jim Galvin in the GAA whinge stakes. And even Davy Fitzgerald will stop if they win the hurling. But Galvin , like he has been ever since he started managing Dublin, couldn't stop whinging about not getting frees even after his team won the All Ireland!!!!!!!!!! That's whinging to beat all whinging.

And didn't Jim Gavin come out with  some proper self-serving bullshit about how the Dubs supposedly play the game in the "right way" and that he would resign if they ever resorted to cynicism. Well, Jim, after the most cynical display  of fouling ever seen in an All Ireland final, when are you going to do the honourable thing?

Somehow, I can't see the Dublin media reminding Jim Galvin that he should honour his promise.
Title: Re: Dublin's Cynicism in the AIF
Post by: Jell 0 Biafra on September 27, 2013, 03:54:37 AM
Quote from: StGallsGAA on September 26, 2013, 11:52:31 PM
I scoured the GAA sports pages all week but not much mention of it.  Why not?

Because you're not reading very carefully?
Title: Re: Dublin's Cynicism in the AIF
Post by: rrhf on September 27, 2013, 07:20:02 AM
Jim The emperors clothes Gavin has fooled us all.
Title: Re: Dublin's Cynicism in the AIF
Post by: Farrandeelin on September 27, 2013, 07:37:33 AM
Can we not just all get over it? I know I have. (I'm talking about the cynicism here).
Title: Re: Dublin's Cynicism in the AIF
Post by: rrhf on September 27, 2013, 07:46:34 AM
No it was the most cynical team display I've seen since meath96
Title: Re: Dublin's Cynicism in the AIF
Post by: Hound on September 27, 2013, 08:14:40 AM
Not a bit of it!

Its just Kev Mac and BigO'Gara haven't a clue how to tackle. Made us look cyncial. They were actually genuine attempts to get ball. Wee Kev thought if he got over the lads back and across his shoulder he could make a clean dispossession. Doesn't work like that Kev. And BigO anytime he tried to make a tackle, he kept on slipping back on top of the man. Being a bit clumsy made it look worse.

The first we're doing (after the lads sober up of course) is to send them on a tackling course. Then we'll be back to the pure beautiful football that we played all year. I'm sure the next time we play Tyrone or Donegal they'll be concentrating on playing football, rather than just stopping us play. Its the way to go lads! The football of Champions! 
Title: Re: Dublin's Cynicism in the AIF
Post by: screenexile on September 27, 2013, 09:02:56 AM
Quote from: Rois on September 27, 2013, 12:51:09 AM
Quote from: Canalman on September 27, 2013, 12:26:26 AM
Quote from: StGallsGAA on September 26, 2013, 11:52:31 PM
I scoured the GAA sports pages all week but not much mention of it.  Why not?

Don't know what papers you are reading  but plenty of mention of it alright. In fairness done at the end of the game / season when down to 13 fit players and 2 of them carrying knocks.

Yep, that excuses it. How many on here think that it was "fair"? Ok Syfillis does, anyone else?

Post of the week  ;D ;D Good on ye Rois!!!
Title: Re: Dublin's Cynicism in the AIF
Post by: sheamy on September 27, 2013, 09:09:31 AM
Jim Gavin was a disgrace at the end of that game. He proved himself a hypocrite after all his previous pontificating about maintaining standards of play. Worse still were his comments towards the referee: "Not only were we playing Mayo but we were playing the referee". If any other manager came out with that level of accusation he'd be taken to the cleaners.
Title: Re: Dublin's Cynicism in the AIF
Post by: INDIANA on September 27, 2013, 09:10:53 AM
Quote from: sheamy on September 27, 2013, 09:09:31 AM
Jim Gavin was a disgrace at the end of that game. He proved himself a hypocrite after all his previous pontificating about maintaining standards of play. Worse still were his comments towards the referee: "Not only were we playing Mayo but we were playing the referee". If any other manager came out with that level of accusation he'd be taken to the cleaners.

But the other managers aren't All-ireland winning managers- you know what I mean?
Title: Re: Dublin's Cynicism in the AIF
Post by: sheamy on September 27, 2013, 09:16:05 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 27, 2013, 09:10:53 AM
Quote from: sheamy on September 27, 2013, 09:09:31 AM
Jim Gavin was a disgrace at the end of that game. He proved himself a hypocrite after all his previous pontificating about maintaining standards of play. Worse still were his comments towards the referee: "Not only were we playing Mayo but we were playing the referee". If any other manager came out with that level of accusation he'd be taken to the cleaners.

But the other managers aren't All-ireland winning managers- you know what I mean?

That's irrelevant. He more or less accused the referee of total bias and essentially aiding the other team. Talk about Respect initiatives. If the GAA doesn't act on those comments they might as well bin the whole thing. People look to All-Ireland winners and rightly so. If Gavin's comments are let go then every club and county manager up and down the country have a license to give refs a roasting in the media.
Title: Re: Dublin's Cynicism in the AIF
Post by: Bensars on September 27, 2013, 09:17:46 AM
I dont know why all  the hysteria over this.

You would expect ANY county in the final minutes of and All Ireland final to use experience/cynicism to run the clock down and get over the line.
Also bear in mind they were under severe pressure with only a kick of the ball between the sides, and knowingly out of substitutes for injured players still on the field.

Yes, Tyrone were highlighted and scapegoated to an extent, but all counties use it to varying degrees.

It would in no way reflect how Dublin have played throughout the year. All good sides with have a mix of attacking flair and experience/cynicism. There has never been all ireland champions who dont have that mix within a team.





Title: Re: Dublin's Cynicism in the AIF
Post by: INDIANA on September 27, 2013, 09:17:57 AM
Quote from: sheamy on September 27, 2013, 09:16:05 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 27, 2013, 09:10:53 AM
Quote from: sheamy on September 27, 2013, 09:09:31 AM
Jim Gavin was a disgrace at the end of that game. He proved himself a hypocrite after all his previous pontificating about maintaining standards of play. Worse still were his comments towards the referee: "Not only were we playing Mayo but we were playing the referee". If any other manager came out with that level of accusation he'd be taken to the cleaners.

But the other managers aren't All-ireland winning managers- you know what I mean?

That's irrelevant. He more or less accused the referee of total bias and essentially aiding the other team. Talk about Respect initiatives. If the GAA doesn't act on those comments they might as well bin the whole thing. People look to All-Ireland winners and rightly so. If Gavin's comments are let go then every club and county manager up and down the country have a license to give refs a roasting in the media.

Dublin have been disappointed with the free count against them this year but instead of making a song and a dance about it like other managers- we preferred to wait until Sam was secure in our hands. The right way to do it IMO.
Title: Re: Dublin's Cynicism in the AIF
Post by: sheamy on September 27, 2013, 09:19:34 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 27, 2013, 09:17:57 AM
Quote from: sheamy on September 27, 2013, 09:16:05 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 27, 2013, 09:10:53 AM
Quote from: sheamy on September 27, 2013, 09:09:31 AM
Jim Gavin was a disgrace at the end of that game. He proved himself a hypocrite after all his previous pontificating about maintaining standards of play. Worse still were his comments towards the referee: "Not only were we playing Mayo but we were playing the referee". If any other manager came out with that level of accusation he'd be taken to the cleaners.

But the other managers aren't All-ireland winning managers- you know what I mean?

That's irrelevant. He more or less accused the referee of total bias and essentially aiding the other team. Talk about Respect initiatives. If the GAA doesn't act on those comments they might as well bin the whole thing. People look to All-Ireland winners and rightly so. If Gavin's comments are let go then every club and county manager up and down the country have a license to give refs a roasting in the media.

Dublin have been disappointed with the free count against them this year but instead of making a song and a dance about it like other managers- we preferred to wait until Sam was secure in our hands. The right way to do it IMO.

He referred directly to Joe McQuillan. That's not 'all year'.
Title: Re: Dublin's Cynicism in the AIF
Post by: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 27, 2013, 09:23:38 AM
Show me a team that aren't cynical when there noses are in front..................................look Mayo buckos I feel your pain but in last years semi the cynicism and the blonde physio, I think some of our lads remembered that........................ In general both Dublin and Mayo are fairly clean teams but when your 5 mins away from a celtic cross Id say the instincts take over
Title: Re: Dublin's Cynicism in the AIF
Post by: sans pessimism on September 27, 2013, 09:40:09 AM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 27, 2013, 09:23:38 AM
Show me a team that aren't cynical when there noses are in front..................................look Mayo buckos I feel your pain but in last years semi the cynicism and the blonde physio, I think some of our lads remembered that........................ In general both Dublin and Mayo are fairly clean teams but when your 5 mins away from a celtic cross Id say the instincts take over
eh...think Mayo bys aren't arsed bout this thread.More driven by the nordies methinks
Title: Re: Dublin's Cynicism in the AIF
Post by: Main Street on September 27, 2013, 11:15:59 AM
There's little doubt that the Dubs are just petty cynics compared to Tyrone. The Cavanagh "grab and drag" in the QF which got a free and yellow card for Hughes, deserves the 'cynic tackle of the year' award.

I see the Cavanagh's "grab and drag'" was used by Pepe of Real Madrid  to great effect in the last minute of added time in their game against Elche, in order to win a penalty and win the game. However, its use has shocked Spain to the core. And Spain would be one of the countries that invented cynicism in football, and Pepe would be one of the most cynical players in Spain.
Pepe, blueshirt nr 3 drags down a defender in the penalty area
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJMe-1lPmFE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJMe-1lPmFE)

Possibly Cavanagh's 'grab and pull down', can become a force of good in the world of sport? Maybe Sean could undergo some withdrawal therapy in a clinic and become a reformed cynic. Then he could help transform Tyrone football to be cynic free from the age of 6 onwards. With those Just Say No slogans and sanctions for PE teachers who continue to teach the kids the dark arts.
Perhaps he could become a sort of sporting ambassador, traveling to serious areas affected areas in the world, like Uruguay and Argentina and show them that if they don't reform their game, their sport could end up looking like Tyrone 2013.
Title: Re: Dublin's Cynicism in the AIF
Post by: Michael Schmeichal on September 27, 2013, 11:21:36 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 27, 2013, 09:17:57 AM
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Dublin have been disappointed with the free count against them this year but instead of making a song and a dance about it like other managers- we preferred to wait until Sam was secure in our hands. The right way to do it IMO.

I disagree Indiana. I thought Gavin's comments lacked class and were disrespectful to Mayo. Even if he believes  ref's have been hard on us this year (and I don't think they have) he should of kept them to himself. I dread to think what he will come out with when we lose a big match.
Title: Re: Dublin's Cynicism in the AIF
Post by: Cold tea on September 27, 2013, 11:23:19 AM
Quote from: Rois on September 27, 2013, 12:51:09 AM
Quote from: Canalman on September 27, 2013, 12:26:26 AM
Quote from: StGallsGAA on September 26, 2013, 11:52:31 PM
I scoured the GAA sports pages all week but not much mention of it.  Why not?

Don't know what papers you are reading  but plenty of mention of it alright. In fairness done at the end of the game / season when down to 13 fit players and 2 of them carrying knocks.

Yep, that excuses it. How many on here think that it was "fair"? Ok Syfillis does, anyone else?

Post of the year.
Title: Re: Dublin's Cynicism in the AIF
Post by: Fuzzman on September 27, 2013, 11:43:07 AM
Well said Michael Schmeichal. I like your honesty in most of your posts.

All managers have their own agenda and spread their own propaganda but my estimation of Gavin has gone down a little as the year has wore on. (as it has for Mickey Harte too over the years)

I just feel he plays this goody two shoes attitude too much and his wee jibes about playing the game like it should be played was surely an attempt to get those at the GAA top tables to like him and back him. There's almost an attitude of we need to stop the cancer spreading sort of attitude and with Gavin & Co winning the AI then football was the true winner this year.

In my eyes Dublin have played quite open attack minded football all year but in the final it certainly was a very physical and at times cynical game. Dublin knew they had to do what they had to do to get over the line but its annoys be that Gavin turns a blind eye to this.
I'd say he'll be more annoyed next year when everyone is out to take them down a peg, even in the league.
I actually used to hate league games the year after Tyrone won the AI as every game was a war of attrition. Could we see another battle of Omagh?
I hope McQuillan is ref for that one.  :o
Title: Re: Dublin's Cynicism in the AIF
Post by: The Hill is Blue on September 27, 2013, 12:07:51 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on September 27, 2013, 11:43:07 AM

.......I'd say he'll be more annoyed next year when everyone is out to take them down a peg, even in the league


In fairness Fuzzman, I think that would happen anyway no matter what Jim Gavin might have said.
Title: Re: Dublin's Cynicism in the AIF
Post by: imtommygunn on September 27, 2013, 12:16:36 PM
Disappointed in gavin's comments. No one likes poor losers but no one likes poor winners either.

Fair play to james horan in not getting sucked in too. He has put up with some crap this year from mcguinness and now gavin and has handled himself well.

Dublin did what they had to do. If your own team were winning by a point you'd want them to do whatever it took to slow the game down.
Title: Re: Dublin's Cynicism in the AIF
Post by: supersarsfields on September 27, 2013, 12:19:50 PM
Quote from: Main Street on September 27, 2013, 11:15:59 AM
There's little doubt that the Dubs are just petty cynics compared to Tyrone. The Cavanagh "grab and drag" in the QF which got a free and yellow card for Hughes, deserves the 'cynic tackle of the year' award.

I see the Cavanagh's "grab and drag'" was used by Pepe of Real Madrid  to great effect in the last minute of added time in their game against Elche, in order to win a penalty and win the game. However, its use has shocked Spain to the core. And Spain would be one of the countries that invented cynicism in football, and Pepe would be one of the most cynical players in Spain.
Pepe, blueshirt nr 3 drags down a defender in the penalty area
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJMe-1lPmFE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJMe-1lPmFE)

Possibly Cavanagh's 'grab and pull down', can become a force of good in the world of sport? Maybe Sean could undergo some withdrawal therapy in a clinic and become a reformed cynic. Then he could help transform Tyrone football to be cynic free from the age of 6 onwards. With those Just Say No slogans and sanctions for PE teachers who continue to teach the kids the dark arts.
Perhaps he could become a sort of sporting ambassador, traveling to serious areas affected areas in the world, like Uruguay and Argentina and show them that if they don't reform their game, their sport could end up looking like Tyrone 2013.

You hadn't seen the grap and drag until Cavanagh did it? Seriously??  :o
Title: Re: Dublin's Cynicism in the AIF
Post by: deiseach on September 27, 2013, 12:21:06 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on September 27, 2013, 11:43:07 AM
I just feel he plays this goody two shoes attitude too much and his wee jibes about playing the game like it should be played was surely an attempt to get those at the GAA top tables to like him and back him. There's almost an attitude of we need to stop the cancer spreading sort of attitude and with Gavin & Co winning the AI then football was the true winner this year.

I think Gavin started believing the hype being spouted that Dublin were winning playing the 'right' way. So when he found some dissent from the assembled hacks in the aftermath of ultimate glory, he didn't like it. He didn't like it one bit. I think he'll come to regret not going Arsene Wenger on it.
Title: Re: Dublin's Cynicism in the AIF
Post by: blewuporstuffed on September 27, 2013, 12:21:25 PM
Quote from: Main Street on September 27, 2013, 11:15:59 AM
There's little doubt that the Dubs are just petty cynics compared to Tyrone. The Cavanagh "grab and drag" in the QF which got a free and yellow card for Hughes, deserves the 'cynic tackle of the year' award.

I see the Cavanagh's "grab and drag'" was used by Pepe of Real Madrid  to great effect in the last minute of added time in their game against Elche, in order to win a penalty and win the game. However, its use has shocked Spain to the core. And Spain would be one of the countries that invented cynicism in football, and Pepe would be one of the most cynical players in Spain.
Pepe, blueshirt nr 3 drags down a defender in the penalty area
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJMe-1lPmFE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJMe-1lPmFE)

Possibly Cavanagh's 'grab and pull down', can become a force of good in the world of sport? Maybe Sean could undergo some withdrawal therapy in a clinic and become a reformed cynic. Then he could help transform Tyrone football to be cynic free from the age of 6 onwards. With those Just Say No slogans and sanctions for PE teachers who continue to teach the kids the dark arts.
Perhaps he could become a sort of sporting ambassador, traveling to serious areas affected areas in the world, like Uruguay and Argentina and show them that if they don't reform their game, their sport could end up looking like Tyrone 2013.

How was cavanaghs tackle any more cynical that either of the mcmenemin one or the o'gara one????
Title: Re: Dublin's Cynicism in the AIF
Post by: Cold tea on September 27, 2013, 12:22:41 PM
Joe Brolly said it was.
Title: Re: Dublin's Cynicism in the AIF
Post by: screenexile on September 27, 2013, 12:24:39 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on September 27, 2013, 12:21:25 PM
Quote from: Main Street on September 27, 2013, 11:15:59 AM
There's little doubt that the Dubs are just petty cynics compared to Tyrone. The Cavanagh "grab and drag" in the QF which got a free and yellow card for Hughes, deserves the 'cynic tackle of the year' award.

I see the Cavanagh's "grab and drag'" was used by Pepe of Real Madrid  to great effect in the last minute of added time in their game against Elche, in order to win a penalty and win the game. However, its use has shocked Spain to the core. And Spain would be one of the countries that invented cynicism in football, and Pepe would be one of the most cynical players in Spain.
Pepe, blueshirt nr 3 drags down a defender in the penalty area
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJMe-1lPmFE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJMe-1lPmFE)

Possibly Cavanagh's 'grab and pull down', can become a force of good in the world of sport? Maybe Sean could undergo some withdrawal therapy in a clinic and become a reformed cynic. Then he could help transform Tyrone football to be cynic free from the age of 6 onwards. With those Just Say No slogans and sanctions for PE teachers who continue to teach the kids the dark arts.
Perhaps he could become a sort of sporting ambassador, traveling to serious areas affected areas in the world, like Uruguay and Argentina and show them that if they don't reform their game, their sport could end up looking like Tyrone 2013.

How was cavanaghs tackle any more cynical that either of the mcmenemin one or the o'gara one????

It isn't... they're all bad and the powers that be need to put a stop to it!
Title: Re: Dublin's Cynicism in the AIF
Post by: EC Unique on September 27, 2013, 01:01:06 PM
Dublin did what ever was required to get over the line and fair f*$ks to them.

The only sour note is Gavin's comments. He should have kept his mouth shut and enjoyed the win.
Title: Re: Dublin's Cynicism in the AIF
Post by: rrhf on September 27, 2013, 02:16:01 PM
Yes but the people deserve honesty from Gavin and his team about this.  You can talk about Sean Cavanagh all you want but at least he is honest.
With Gavin the emperor wears no clothes. 
Title: Re: Dublin's Cynicism in the AIF
Post by: Zulu on September 27, 2013, 02:20:57 PM
Quote from: rrhf on September 27, 2013, 02:16:01 PM
Yes but the people deserve honesty from Gavin and his team about this.  You can talk about Sean Cavanagh all you want but at least he is honest.
With Gavin the emperor wears no clothes. 

Mickey Harte is no better.

Quote from: EC Unique on September 27, 2013, 01:01:06 PM
Dublin did what ever was required to get over the line and fair f*$ks to them.

The only sour note is Gavin's comments. He should have kept his mouth shut and enjoyed the win.

Rubbish, this carry on is an embarrassment to the game and needs to be cut out now before too many people think like you do.
Title: Re: Dublin's Cynicism in the AIF
Post by: reddgnhand on September 27, 2013, 02:22:39 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 27, 2013, 12:17:13 AM
At least Dublin played football for 60 minutes. Y'see, that tends to soften the blow when a team commits a cynical foul or two. Mickey, make some notes.

And what about the 3 fantastic points S Cavanagh had kicked prior to the infamous tackle.? Did that not soften the blow for you?
Title: Re: Dublin's Cynicism in the AIF
Post by: INDIANA on September 27, 2013, 02:27:55 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on September 27, 2013, 11:43:07 AM
Well said Michael Schmeichal. I like your honesty in most of your posts.

All managers have their own agenda and spread their own propaganda but my estimation of Gavin has gone down a little as the year has wore on. (as it has for Mickey Harte too over the years)

I just feel he plays this goody two shoes attitude too much and his wee jibes about playing the game like it should be played was surely an attempt to get those at the GAA top tables to like him and back him. There's almost an attitude of we need to stop the cancer spreading sort of attitude and with Gavin & Co winning the AI then football was the true winner this year.

In my eyes Dublin have played quite open attack minded football all year but in the final it certainly was a very physical and at times cynical game. Dublin knew they had to do what they had to do to get over the line but its annoys be that Gavin turns a blind eye to this.
I'd say he'll be more annoyed next year when everyone is out to take them down a peg, even in the league.
I actually used to hate league games the year after Tyrone won the AI as every game was a war of attrition. Could we see another battle of Omagh?
I hope McQuillan is ref for that one.  :o

I'd say he won't give a shite with Sam in the bag. Next year can't take that away from him ever. I think you have a funny perspective on what people actually worry about on a daily basis
Title: Re: Dublin's Cynicism in the AIF
Post by: deiseach on September 27, 2013, 02:34:33 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 27, 2013, 02:27:55 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on September 27, 2013, 11:43:07 AM
Well said Michael Schmeichal. I like your honesty in most of your posts.

All managers have their own agenda and spread their own propaganda but my estimation of Gavin has gone down a little as the year has wore on. (as it has for Mickey Harte too over the years)

I just feel he plays this goody two shoes attitude too much and his wee jibes about playing the game like it should be played was surely an attempt to get those at the GAA top tables to like him and back him. There's almost an attitude of we need to stop the cancer spreading sort of attitude and with Gavin & Co winning the AI then football was the true winner this year.

In my eyes Dublin have played quite open attack minded football all year but in the final it certainly was a very physical and at times cynical game. Dublin knew they had to do what they had to do to get over the line but its annoys be that Gavin turns a blind eye to this.
I'd say he'll be more annoyed next year when everyone is out to take them down a peg, even in the league.
I actually used to hate league games the year after Tyrone won the AI as every game was a war of attrition. Could we see another battle of Omagh?
I hope McQuillan is ref for that one.  :o

I'd say he won't give a shite with Sam in the bag. Next year can't take that away from him ever. I think you have a funny perspective on what people actually worry about on a daily basis

If he didn't care, he would have said as much. The fact that he felt the need to come up with this c0ck-and-bull story suggests he does care.
Title: Re: Dublin's Cynicism in the AIF
Post by: deiseach on September 27, 2013, 02:39:56 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 27, 2013, 02:20:57 PM
Quote from: rrhf on September 27, 2013, 02:16:01 PM
Yes but the people deserve honesty from Gavin and his team about this.  You can talk about Sean Cavanagh all you want but at least he is honest.
With Gavin the emperor wears no clothes. 

Mickey Harte is no better.

God love him, but Mickey Harte's comments after the Dublin-Kerry game (http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=200397) were borderline deranged.
Title: Re: Dublin's Cynicism in the AIF
Post by: Tubberman on September 27, 2013, 02:46:17 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 27, 2013, 02:27:55 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on September 27, 2013, 11:43:07 AM
Well said Michael Schmeichal. I like your honesty in most of your posts.

All managers have their own agenda and spread their own propaganda but my estimation of Gavin has gone down a little as the year has wore on. (as it has for Mickey Harte too over the years)

I just feel he plays this goody two shoes attitude too much and his wee jibes about playing the game like it should be played was surely an attempt to get those at the GAA top tables to like him and back him. There's almost an attitude of we need to stop the cancer spreading sort of attitude and with Gavin & Co winning the AI then football was the true winner this year.

In my eyes Dublin have played quite open attack minded football all year but in the final it certainly was a very physical and at times cynical game. Dublin knew they had to do what they had to do to get over the line but its annoys be that Gavin turns a blind eye to this.
I'd say he'll be more annoyed next year when everyone is out to take them down a peg, even in the league.
I actually used to hate league games the year after Tyrone won the AI as every game was a war of attrition. Could we see another battle of Omagh?
I hope McQuillan is ref for that one.  :o

I'd say he won't give a shite with Sam in the bag. Next year can't take that away from him ever. I think you have a funny perspective on what people actually worry about on a daily basis

You seemed to care when James Horan questioned his comments though.
Title: Re: Dublin's Cynicism in the AIF
Post by: Zulu on September 27, 2013, 02:53:09 PM
Quote from: deiseach on September 27, 2013, 02:39:56 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 27, 2013, 02:20:57 PM
Quote from: rrhf on September 27, 2013, 02:16:01 PM
Yes but the people deserve honesty from Gavin and his team about this.  You can talk about Sean Cavanagh all you want but at least he is honest.
With Gavin the emperor wears no clothes. 

Mickey Harte is no better.

God love him, but Mickey Harte's comments after the Dublin-Kerry game (http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=200397) were borderline deranged.

We seem to be past masters at the 'hear no evil see no evil' policy in the GAA. Time to call out any pundit or manager on their BS or both games could find themselves in a tough spot in a few years.
Title: Re: Dublin's Cynicism in the AIF
Post by: Drummerboy on September 27, 2013, 04:00:46 PM
Don't think Horan said too much about the cynical fouling towards the end. But then again, after last year's semi final, he couldn't.
Title: Re: Dublin's Cynicism in the AIF
Post by: Main Street on September 27, 2013, 05:28:37 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on September 27, 2013, 12:21:25 PM
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There's little doubt that the Dubs are just petty cynics compared to Tyrone. The Cavanagh "grab and drag" in the QF which got a free and yellow card for Hughes, deserves the 'cynic tackle of the year' award.

I see the Cavanagh's "grab and drag'" was used by Pepe of Real Madrid  to great effect in the last minute of added time in their game against Elche, in order to win a penalty and win the game. However, its use has shocked Spain to the core. And Spain would be one of the countries that invented cynicism in football, and Pepe would be one of the most cynical players in Spain.
Pepe, blueshirt nr 3 drags down a defender in the penalty area
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJMe-1lPmFE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJMe-1lPmFE)

Possibly Cavanagh's 'grab and pull down', can become a force of good in the world of sport? Maybe Sean could undergo some withdrawal therapy in a clinic and become a reformed cynic. Then he could help transform Tyrone football to be cynic free from the age of 6 onwards. With those Just Say No slogans and sanctions for PE teachers who continue to teach the kids the dark arts.
Perhaps he could become a sort of sporting ambassador, traveling to serious areas affected areas in the world, like Uruguay and Argentina and show them that if they don't reform their game, their sport could end up looking like Tyrone 2013.

How was cavanaghs tackle any more cynical that either of the mcmenemin one or the o'gara one????
Cavanagh, by claiming he was fouled by Hughes, managed to completely fool the ref into giving Hughes a yellow card and got an easy free kick in front of goal. Hughes' game was effected after that. And a nice smirk from Sean afterwards towards Hughes.
That was a well disguised and practiced cynical tackle that managed to hit the jackpot.
The Dubs have no grace to their cynicism, just crude rugby tackles and macho posing.
No other cynic is worthy to lick Cavanagh's laces. ;D
Title: Cynicalness by Dublin
Post by: rrhf on September 27, 2013, 05:31:31 PM
Gavin  spoke of a man whose guard had finally dropped.  No longer the smiling schoolboy he has snuck in and won an all ireland among the cynical auld hoors and fair play to him.  It will be some test next year now that the mask has slipped.  What Dublin brought to the AI final in terms of cynicism has probably never been witnessed before apart from Meath and now with the black card will never be bettered.  But by God he was the smartest PR operator this year and some of the others simply didnt come up to the mark.  They won it well as the rules applied by the referee allowed.    Welcome to the big time JG.  Joe Brolly and Spillane are ready for you!!   Dublin have brought cynicalness to its nirvana. 
Title: Re: Cynicalness by Dublin
Post by: heffo on September 27, 2013, 05:35:15 PM
Quote from: rrhf on September 27, 2013, 05:31:31 PM
Welcome to the big time JG.  Joe Brolly and Spillane are ready for you!!   

That's the fifth AI Jim Gavin has won - I think he's already in the big time and won't give a fiddlers what any analyst has to say
Title: Re: Dublin's Cynicism in the AIF
Post by: easytiger95 on September 27, 2013, 06:19:14 PM
QuoteWhat Dublin brought to the AI final in terms of cynicism has probably never been witnessed before apart from Meath and now with the black card will never be bettered. 

Jesus, we win an All Ireland and Meath still find a way to beat us.

Cyncial feckers...
Title: Re: Dublin's Cynicism in the AIF
Post by: Dont Matter on September 27, 2013, 08:45:42 PM
Cynical, poor sportsmanship, no honour, that sums up the current Dublin team (RIP) very well.
Title: Re: Dublin's Cynicism in the AIF
Post by: rrhf on September 27, 2013, 08:47:48 PM
i for one think that there should be a definite red for any fouls where the cynical is over 80% anything less than 60 % cynicism level would be a yellow with discretion.
Title: Re: Dublin's Cynicism in the AIF
Post by: The Hill is Blue on September 27, 2013, 08:50:30 PM
Quote from: Dont Matter on September 27, 2013, 08:45:42 PM
Cynical, poor sportsmanship, no honour, that sums up the current Dublin team (RIP) very well.

...and All Ireland Champions   :P  :P  :P It's a great feeling. Don't you wish you could share it.. 
Title: Re: Dublin's Cynicism in the AIF
Post by: J OGorman on September 27, 2013, 08:52:16 PM
Quote from: Dont Matter on September 27, 2013, 08:45:42 PM
Cynical, poor sportsmanship, no honour, that sums up the current Dublin team (RIP) very well.

What county do you hail from DM?
Title: Re: Dublin's Cynicism in the AIF
Post by: Dont Matter on September 27, 2013, 08:57:51 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 27, 2013, 08:50:30 PM
Quote from: Dont Matter on September 27, 2013, 08:45:42 PM
Cynical, poor sportsmanship, no honour, that sums up the current Dublin team (RIP) very well.

...and All Ireland Champions   :P  :P  :P It's a great feeling. Don't you wish you could share it..

Doesn't it leave you with an empty feeling knowing you were bought this All Ireland? You wish you won it by fair means surely.
Title: Re: Dublin's Cynicism in the AIF
Post by: Dont Matter on September 27, 2013, 09:00:38 PM
Quote from: J OGorman on September 27, 2013, 08:52:16 PM
Quote from: Dont Matter on September 27, 2013, 08:45:42 PM
Cynical, poor sportsmanship, no honour, that sums up the current Dublin team (RIP) very well.

What county do you hail from DM?

From the mighty Laois.
Title: Re: Dublin's Cynicism in the AIF
Post by: J OGorman on September 27, 2013, 09:14:05 PM
Quote from: Dont Matter on September 27, 2013, 09:00:38 PM
Quote from: J OGorman on September 27, 2013, 08:52:16 PM
Quote from: Dont Matter on September 27, 2013, 08:45:42 PM
Cynical, poor sportsmanship, no honour, that sums up the current Dublin team (RIP) very well.

What county do you hail from DM?

From the mighty Laois.

You guys get the Electric picnic and the ploughing cup, you give the world colm parkinson  and yer on about dublin getting a few bob!
Title: Re: Dublin's Cynicism in the AIF
Post by: larryin89 on September 27, 2013, 10:56:25 PM
The more fascinating comment Gavin made was his ridiculous comment about the said tackles been a result of frustration about the ref s performance . Lol.