The lowest of the low.
There's meant to be footage of a Cookstown player spitting on Galvin. Anyone seen it?
Conclusive? http://balls.ie/gaa/footage-of-a-cookstown-player-allegedly-spitting-on-paul-galvin/
What is it with Tyrone teams/fans and controversy? Throwing a referee into the boot of a car after a match 2 years ago? A supporter getting his ear bitten off during a scuffle at a Club game in Tyrone last year,
A Errigal Ciaran fan throwing a barrel onto the Mullahoran players at half time in the Ulster club game last year in Brefni
Karl Lacey being allegedly spat on when he was sitting in the stand in Omagh last week. Thats only a few, , things happen in all counties, but in Tyrone its more a weekly thing.
I'm more intrigued by this new concept of replying to your own posts which O'Neill has introduced
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on March 09, 2013, 12:18:39 PM
I'm more intrigued by this new concept of replying to your own posts which O'Neill has introduced
I shouldn't have posted it when I eventually found it?
Surely you could have looked for the footage first and then put it up
Quote from: rodney trotter on March 09, 2013, 12:15:48 PM
What is it with Tyrone teams/fans and controversy? Throwing a referee into the boot of a car after a match 2 years ago? A supporter getting his ear bitten off during a scuffle at a Club game in Tyrone last year,
A Errigal Ciaran fan throwing a barrel onto the Mullahoran players at half time in the Ulster club game last year in Brefni
Karl Lacey being allegedly spat on when he was sitting in the stand in Omagh last week. Thats only a few, , things happen in all counties, but in Tyrone its more a weekly thing.
interesting point of view. we'll take it on board and the committee will get back to you in due course.
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on March 09, 2013, 12:26:10 PM
Surely you could have looked for the footage first and then put it up
Apologise profusely but I was on my phone and didn't have those skills. Apologise again.
That explains it. I just thought you might have been emptying the contents of your bowels or something like that
Quote from: cadence on March 09, 2013, 12:27:30 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on March 09, 2013, 12:15:48 PM
What is it with Tyrone teams/fans and controversy? Throwing a referee into the boot of a car after a match 2 years ago? A supporter getting his ear bitten off during a scuffle at a Club game in Tyrone last year,
A Errigal Ciaran fan throwing a barrel onto the Mullahoran players at half time in the Ulster club game last year in Brefni
Karl Lacey being allegedly spat on when he was sitting in the stand in Omagh last week. Thats only a few, , things happen in all counties, but in Tyrone its more a weekly thing.
interesting point of view. we'll take it on board and the committee will get back to you in due course.
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I wouldn't expect you to get back to me, it was mentioned in Hoganstand. I'm sure they wouldn't make a song and dance of it.
This is where i saw it http://www.hoganstand.com/Forum/MessagePage.aspx?TopicID=81080 , since the thread was about spitting and linked with Tyrone i just gave it a mention.
Quote from: rodney trotter on March 09, 2013, 12:15:48 PM
What is it with Tyrone teams/fans and controversy? Throwing a referee into the boot of a car after a match 2 years ago? A supporter getting his ear bitten off during a scuffle at a Club game in Tyrone last year,
A Errigal Ciaran fan throwing a barrel onto the Mullahoran players at half time in the Ulster club game last year in BrefniKarl Lacey being allegedly spat on when he was sitting in the stand in Omagh last week. Thats only a few, , things happen in all counties, but in Tyrone its more a weekly thing.
That did not happen..
Quote from: EC Unique on March 09, 2013, 01:03:59 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on March 09, 2013, 12:15:48 PM
What is it with Tyrone teams/fans and controversy? Throwing a referee into the boot of a car after a match 2 years ago? A supporter getting his ear bitten off during a scuffle at a Club game in Tyrone last year,
A Errigal Ciaran fan throwing a barrel onto the Mullahoran players at half time in the Ulster club game last year in BrefniKarl Lacey being allegedly spat on when he was sitting in the stand in Omagh last week. Thats only a few, , things happen in all counties, but in Tyrone its more a weekly thing.
That did not happen..
It clearly did, i was at the Game.
Quote from: rodney trotter on March 09, 2013, 01:05:33 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on March 09, 2013, 01:03:59 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on March 09, 2013, 12:15:48 PM
What is it with Tyrone teams/fans and controversy? Throwing a referee into the boot of a car after a match 2 years ago? A supporter getting his ear bitten off during a scuffle at a Club game in Tyrone last year,
A Errigal Ciaran fan throwing a barrel onto the Mullahoran players at half time in the Ulster club game last year in BrefniKarl Lacey being allegedly spat on when he was sitting in the stand in Omagh last week. Thats only a few, , things happen in all counties, but in Tyrone its more a weekly thing.
That did not happen..
It clearly did, i was at the Game.
Did you see it happen?
If it didn't happen, did Eamonn O'Hara of the Irish News apologise? - http://www.irishnews.com/gaa/tempers-flare-as-errigal-axe-cavan-champs-1199795
I saw it directly as they were walking down the tunnel at half time.
http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=errigal+ciaran+fan+throws+barrel+breffni+park&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&ved=0CDYQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hoganstand.com%2Fcavan%2FArticleForm.aspx%3FID%3D179639&ei=MDQ7Uda3B6Sr7AaX64CgAg&usg=AFQjCNH7jdQznUVJqUp-YDecu_9IkSNinQ&bvm=bv.43287494,d.ZGU
You can post all the links you want lads but I saw it myself as I was only yards away. The bin was fired from the tunnel at the Errigal fan by a player as he was giving verbals. He raised his hands to stop it and it bounced back into the tunnel. To suggest he lifted the bin and threw it is simply wrong.
Quote from: EC Unique on March 09, 2013, 01:13:25 PM
You can post all the links you want lads but I saw it myself as I was only yards away. The bin was fired from the tunnel at the Errigal fan by a player as he was giving verbals. He raised his hands to stop it and it bounced back into the tunnel. To suggest he lifted the bid and threw it is simply wrong.
That's fine but surely they should've pursued an apology from O'Hara for tarnishing the club in a national paper.
I was standing on the terrace on the opposite side of the pitch and could see a blue bin being lauched down. Mullahoran players said they were gettiing verbals, Apparently he wasn't from the EC area.
Anyways its old news.
What was that about a referee thrown into a car boot?
Quote from: ONeill on March 09, 2013, 01:17:30 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on March 09, 2013, 01:13:25 PM
You can post all the links you want lads but I saw it myself as I was only yards away. The bin was fired from the tunnel at the Errigal fan by a player as he was giving verbals. He raised his hands to stop it and it bounced back into the tunnel. To suggest he lifted the bid and threw it is simply wrong.
That's fine but surely they should've pursued an apology from O'Hara for tarnishing the club in a national paper.
Errigal had bigger issues going on at that time.
Quote from: rodney trotter on March 09, 2013, 01:20:01 PM
I was standing on the terrace on the opposite side of the pitch and could see a blue bin being lauched down. Mullahoran players said they were gettiing verbals, Apparently he wasn't from the EC area.
Anyways its old news.
Old news indeed but still had to correct it. The man in question is an Errigal fan and should not have been giving any verbals but he did not do what was widely reported.
Quote from: EC Unique on March 09, 2013, 01:29:53 PM
Quote from: ONeill on March 09, 2013, 01:17:30 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on March 09, 2013, 01:13:25 PM
You can post all the links you want lads but I saw it myself as I was only yards away. The bin was fired from the tunnel at the Errigal fan by a player as he was giving verbals. He raised his hands to stop it and it bounced back into the tunnel. To suggest he lifted the bid and threw it is simply wrong.
That's fine but surely they should've pursued an apology from O'Hara for tarnishing the club in a national paper.
Errigal had bigger issues going on at that time.
Quote from: rodney trotter on March 09, 2013, 01:20:01 PM
I was standing on the terrace on the opposite side of the pitch and could see a blue bin being lauched down. Mullahoran players said they were gettiing verbals, Apparently he wasn't from the EC area.
Anyways its old news.
Old news indeed but still had to correct it. The man in question is an Errigal fan and should not have been giving any verbals but he did not do what was widely reported.
I remember Peter Harte destroyed Mullahoran that day, and scored one the best goals i've ever seen in Gaelic football.
Not from Mullahoran club myself, my own club were playing before that game in the intermediate.
Quote from: rodney trotter on March 09, 2013, 12:47:09 PM
Quote from: cadence on March 09, 2013, 12:27:30 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on March 09, 2013, 12:15:48 PM
What is it with Tyrone teams/fans and controversy? Throwing a referee into the boot of a car after a match 2 years ago? A supporter getting his ear bitten off during a scuffle at a Club game in Tyrone last year,
A Errigal Ciaran fan throwing a barrel onto the Mullahoran players at half time in the Ulster club game last year in Brefni
Karl Lacey being allegedly spat on when he was sitting in the stand in Omagh last week. Thats only a few, , things happen in all counties, but in Tyrone its more a weekly thing.
interesting point of view. we'll take it on board and the committee will get back to you in due course.
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I wouldn't expect you to get back to me, it was mentioned in Hoganstand. I'm sure they wouldn't make a song and dance of it.
ok, here's my take on what you're doing. you're stereotyping people from tyrone. you've made a statement, "but in tyrone it's more a weekly thing", where you've taken some isolated incidents involving a few individuals and made conclusions about gaa people from tyrone based on these isolated incidents. if there's a few people over on hoganstand, making the same judgements and insulting stereotypes about the character of tyrone gaa folk too, it only proves one thing. that there's are a few people over on hoganstand who are prone to stereotyping people.
do me a favour, lay off the stereotypes. seriously, you'll be doing me a favour. i should be doing something much more productive than chatting on here!
At this stage, if a Tyrone man threw a bucket full of rattlesnakes into the opposition dugout, lads would be on here saying, "This happens in every county".
Quote from: cadence on March 09, 2013, 02:26:17 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on March 09, 2013, 12:47:09 PM
Quote from: cadence on March 09, 2013, 12:27:30 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on March 09, 2013, 12:15:48 PM
What is it with Tyrone teams/fans and controversy? Throwing a referee into the boot of a car after a match 2 years ago? A supporter getting his ear bitten off during a scuffle at a Club game in Tyrone last year,
A Errigal Ciaran fan throwing a barrel onto the Mullahoran players at half time in the Ulster club game last year in Brefni
Karl Lacey being allegedly spat on when he was sitting in the stand in Omagh last week. Thats only a few, , things happen in all counties, but in Tyrone its more a weekly thing.
interesting point of view. we'll take it on board and the committee will get back to you in due course.
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I wouldn't expect you to get back to me, it was mentioned in Hoganstand. I'm sure they wouldn't make a song and dance of it.
ok, here's my take on what you're doing. you're stereotyping people from tyrone. you've made a statement, "but in tyrone it's more a weekly thing", where you've taken some isolated incidents involving a few individuals and made conclusions about gaa people from tyrone based on these isolated incidents. if there's a few people over on hoganstand, making the same judgements and insulting stereotypes about the character of tyrone gaa folk too, it only proves one thing. that there's are a few people over on hoganstand who are prone to stereotyping people.
do me a favour, lay off the stereotypes. seriously, you'll be doing me a favour. i should be doing something much more productive than chatting on here!
Either the media are in cahoots to tarnish the good name of Tyrone football or there is more trampish behaviour by supporters and players from Tyrone than any other county (possibly all other counties combined). Which is it?
Quote from: cadence on March 09, 2013, 02:26:17 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on March 09, 2013, 12:47:09 PM
Quote from: cadence on March 09, 2013, 12:27:30 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on March 09, 2013, 12:15:48 PM
What is it with Tyrone teams/fans and controversy? Throwing a referee into the boot of a car after a match 2 years ago? A supporter getting his ear bitten off during a scuffle at a Club game in Tyrone last year,
A Errigal Ciaran fan throwing a barrel onto the Mullahoran players at half time in the Ulster club game last year in Brefni
Karl Lacey being allegedly spat on when he was sitting in the stand in Omagh last week. Thats only a few, , things happen in all counties, but in Tyrone its more a weekly thing.
interesting point of view. we'll take it on board and the committee will get back to you in due course.
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I wouldn't expect you to get back to me, it was mentioned in Hoganstand. I'm sure they wouldn't make a song and dance of it.
ok, here's my take on what you're doing. you're stereotyping people from tyrone. you've made a statement, "but in tyrone it's more a weekly thing", where you've taken some isolated incidents involving a few individuals and made conclusions about gaa people from tyrone based on these isolated incidents. if there's a few people over on hoganstand, making the same judgements and insulting stereotypes about the character of tyrone gaa folk too, it only proves one thing. that there's are a few people over on hoganstand who are prone to stereotyping people.
do me a favour, lay off the stereotypes. seriously, you'll be doing me a favour. i should be doing something much more productive than chatting on here!
Sorry Mister Sensitivity, the thread was set up about an incident involving a Tyrone club, i included other recent events. When there was recent events which happened why was it such a problem to mention them
As I said already incidents happen in every county ,if you had read that,.. but seem to highlighted more in Tyrone, maybe they happen more so in Tyrone I don't know..
Quote from: ONeill on March 09, 2013, 12:02:40 PM
The lowest of the low.
There's meant to be footage of a Cookstown player spitting on Galvin. Anyone seen it?
Is it really the lowest thing you can do? Definitely a scummy act but id prefer to be spat on than have my jaw broke in an off the ball incident
Quote from: ONeill on March 09, 2013, 12:08:32 PM
Conclusive? http://balls.ie/gaa/footage-of-a-cookstown-player-allegedly-spitting-on-paul-galvin/
What a sc**bag.
Cookstown must be very proud of him
Spitting? Low act, but probably a reflex. I can't believe anyone would plan to spit on someone. Even our thugs can be glorified as 'masters of the dark arts', hard men or 'he never gave an inch' etc when they retire.
But spitting?
How do you spin that in a sporting epitaph?
'He would spill bodily fluids for de club'
'He wasn't a man for a dry day'
A boy says to me that it's the reservoir at Lough Fea that is the cause of the behaviour.
Quote from: rodney trotter on March 09, 2013, 02:54:32 PM
Quote from: cadence on March 09, 2013, 02:26:17 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on March 09, 2013, 12:47:09 PM
Quote from: cadence on March 09, 2013, 12:27:30 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on March 09, 2013, 12:15:48 PM
What is it with Tyrone teams/fans and controversy? Throwing a referee into the boot of a car after a match 2 years ago? A supporter getting his ear bitten off during a scuffle at a Club game in Tyrone last year,
A Errigal Ciaran fan throwing a barrel onto the Mullahoran players at half time in the Ulster club game last year in Brefni
Karl Lacey being allegedly spat on when he was sitting in the stand in Omagh last week. Thats only a few, , things happen in all counties, but in Tyrone its more a weekly thing.
interesting point of view. we'll take it on board and the committee will get back to you in due course.
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I wouldn't expect you to get back to me, it was mentioned in Hoganstand. I'm sure they wouldn't make a song and dance of it.
ok, here's my take on what you're doing. you're stereotyping people from tyrone. you've made a statement, "but in tyrone it's more a weekly thing", where you've taken some isolated incidents involving a few individuals and made conclusions about gaa people from tyrone based on these isolated incidents. if there's a few people over on hoganstand, making the same judgements and insulting stereotypes about the character of tyrone gaa folk too, it only proves one thing. that there's are a few people over on hoganstand who are prone to stereotyping people.
do me a favour, lay off the stereotypes. seriously, you'll be doing me a favour. i should be doing something much more productive than chatting on here!
Sorry Mister Sensitivity, the thread was set up about an incident involving a Tyrone club, i included other recent events. When there was recent events which happened why was it such a problem to mention them
As I said already incidents happen in every county ,if you had read that,.. but seem to highlited more in Tyrone, maybe they happen more so in Tyrone I don't know..
you eejit, what part of stereotyping do you not get?
Quote from: Jinxy on March 09, 2013, 02:38:29 PM
At this stage, if a Tyrone man threw a bucket full of rattlesnakes into the opposition dugout, lads would be on here saying, "This happens in every county".
equally, if someone from meath said something you thought was thick, you wouldn't say only meath people were thick would you?
Quote from: cadence on March 09, 2013, 04:06:57 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on March 09, 2013, 02:54:32 PM
Quote from: cadence on March 09, 2013, 02:26:17 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on March 09, 2013, 12:47:09 PM
Quote from: cadence on March 09, 2013, 12:27:30 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on March 09, 2013, 12:15:48 PM
What is it with Tyrone teams/fans and controversy? Throwing a referee into the boot of a car after a match 2 years ago? A supporter getting his ear bitten off during a scuffle at a Club game in Tyrone last year,
A Errigal Ciaran fan throwing a barrel onto the Mullahoran players at half time in the Ulster club game last year in Brefni
Karl Lacey being allegedly spat on when he was sitting in the stand in Omagh last week. Thats only a few, , things happen in all counties, but in Tyrone its more a weekly thing.
interesting point of view. we'll take it on board and the committee will get back to you in due course.
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I wouldn't expect you to get back to me, it was mentioned in Hoganstand. I'm sure they wouldn't make a song and dance of it.
ok, here's my take on what you're doing. you're stereotyping people from tyrone. you've made a statement, "but in tyrone it's more a weekly thing", where you've taken some isolated incidents involving a few individuals and made conclusions about gaa people from tyrone based on these isolated incidents. if there's a few people over on hoganstand, making the same judgements and insulting stereotypes about the character of tyrone gaa folk too, it only proves one thing. that there's are a few people over on hoganstand who are prone to stereotyping people.
do me a favour, lay off the stereotypes. seriously, you'll be doing me a favour. i should be doing something much more productive than chatting on here!
Sorry Mister Sensitivity, the thread was set up about an incident involving a Tyrone club, i included other recent events. When there was recent events which happened why was it such a problem to mention them
As I said already incidents happen in every county ,if you had read that,.. but seem to highlited more in Tyrone, maybe they happen more so in Tyrone I don't know..
you eejit, what part of stereotyping do you not get?
Did I call every Tyrone fan a headcase no, of course there is lots of sane fans...
Quote from: DuffleKing on March 09, 2013, 03:16:17 PM
Quote from: ONeill on March 09, 2013, 12:08:32 PM
Conclusive? http://balls.ie/gaa/footage-of-a-cookstown-player-allegedly-spitting-on-paul-galvin/
What a sc**bag.
Cookstown must be very proud of him
If Mulligan's hair and alice band are acceptable then anything is acceptable.
Quote from: rodney trotter on March 09, 2013, 04:15:03 PM
Quote from: cadence on March 09, 2013, 04:06:57 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on March 09, 2013, 02:54:32 PM
Quote from: cadence on March 09, 2013, 02:26:17 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on March 09, 2013, 12:47:09 PM
Quote from: cadence on March 09, 2013, 12:27:30 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on March 09, 2013, 12:15:48 PM
What is it with Tyrone teams/fans and controversy? Throwing a referee into the boot of a car after a match 2 years ago? A supporter getting his ear bitten off during a scuffle at a Club game in Tyrone last year,
A Errigal Ciaran fan throwing a barrel onto the Mullahoran players at half time in the Ulster club game last year in Brefni
Karl Lacey being allegedly spat on when he was sitting in the stand in Omagh last week. Thats only a few, , things happen in all counties, but in Tyrone its more a weekly thing.
interesting point of view. we'll take it on board and the committee will get back to you in due course.
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I wouldn't expect you to get back to me, it was mentioned in Hoganstand. I'm sure they wouldn't make a song and dance of it.
ok, here's my take on what you're doing. you're stereotyping people from tyrone. you've made a statement, "but in tyrone it's more a weekly thing", where you've taken some isolated incidents involving a few individuals and made conclusions about gaa people from tyrone based on these isolated incidents. if there's a few people over on hoganstand, making the same judgements and insulting stereotypes about the character of tyrone gaa folk too, it only proves one thing. that there's are a few people over on hoganstand who are prone to stereotyping people.
do me a favour, lay off the stereotypes. seriously, you'll be doing me a favour. i should be doing something much more productive than chatting on here!
Sorry Mister Sensitivity, the thread was set up about an incident involving a Tyrone club, i included other recent events. When there was recent events which happened why was it such a problem to mention them
As I said already incidents happen in every county ,if you had read that,.. but seem to highlited more in Tyrone, maybe they happen more so in Tyrone I don't know..
you eejit, what part of stereotyping do you not get?
Did I call every Tyrone fan a headcase no, of course there is lots of sane fans...
you implied it, which is the same thing. and when you're challenged, you become concilatory and have nothing to offer other than platitudes about your perceived knowledge on the state of the mental health of gaa supporters.
Quote from: cadence on March 09, 2013, 04:11:18 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on March 09, 2013, 02:38:29 PM
At this stage, if a Tyrone man threw a bucket full of rattlesnakes into the opposition dugout, lads would be on here saying, "This happens in every county".
equally, if someone from meath said something you thought was thick, you wouldn't say only meath people were thick would you?
Meath people are thick, what's your point?
Quote from: cadence on March 09, 2013, 04:32:36 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on March 09, 2013, 04:15:03 PM
Quote from: cadence on March 09, 2013, 04:06:57 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on March 09, 2013, 02:54:32 PM
Quote from: cadence on March 09, 2013, 02:26:17 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on March 09, 2013, 12:47:09 PM
Quote from: cadence on March 09, 2013, 12:27:30 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on March 09, 2013, 12:15:48 PM
What is it with Tyrone teams/fans and controversy? Throwing a referee into the boot of a car after a match 2 years ago? A supporter getting his ear bitten off during a scuffle at a Club game in Tyrone last year,
A Errigal Ciaran fan throwing a barrel onto the Mullahoran players at half time in the Ulster club game last year in Brefni
Karl Lacey being allegedly spat on when he was sitting in the stand in Omagh last week. Thats only a few, , things happen in all counties, but in Tyrone its more a weekly thing.
interesting point of view. we'll take it on board and the committee will get back to you in due course.
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I wouldn't expect you to get back to me, it was mentioned in Hoganstand. I'm sure they wouldn't make a song and dance of it.
ok, here's my take on what you're doing. you're stereotyping people from tyrone. you've made a statement, "but in tyrone it's more a weekly thing", where you've taken some isolated incidents involving a few individuals and made conclusions about gaa people from tyrone based on these isolated incidents. if there's a few people over on hoganstand, making the same judgements and insulting stereotypes about the character of tyrone gaa folk too, it only proves one thing. that there's are a few people over on hoganstand who are prone to stereotyping people.
do me a favour, lay off the stereotypes. seriously, you'll be doing me a favour. i should be doing something much more productive than chatting on here!
Sorry Mister Sensitivity, the thread was set up about an incident involving a Tyrone club, i included other recent events. When there was recent events which happened why was it such a problem to mention them
As I said already incidents happen in every county ,if you had read that,.. but seem to highlited more in Tyrone, maybe they happen more so in Tyrone I don't know..
you eejit, what part of stereotyping do you not get?
Did I call every Tyrone fan a headcase no, of course there is lots of sane fans...
you implied it, which is the same thing. and when you're challenged, you become concilatory and have nothing to offer other than platitudes about your perceived knowledge on the state of the mental health of gaa supporters.
Implying it and actually saying it are different things. I know Tyrone fans and yes they are normal people (a small minority have a thuggish element -not all)
.. Great to see somebody from donegal acting as a spokesperson for Tyrone though... I'm sure they can speak for themselves , eh? Without yourself getting all hot and bothered..
Sure Tyronies revel in how savage their club football can be, stereotypes are too good for the mucksavages.
Quote from: rodney trotter on March 09, 2013, 05:11:10 PM
Quote from: cadence on March 09, 2013, 04:32:36 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on March 09, 2013, 04:15:03 PM
Quote from: cadence on March 09, 2013, 04:06:57 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on March 09, 2013, 02:54:32 PM
Quote from: cadence on March 09, 2013, 02:26:17 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on March 09, 2013, 12:47:09 PM
Quote from: cadence on March 09, 2013, 12:27:30 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on March 09, 2013, 12:15:48 PM
What is it with Tyrone teams/fans and controversy? Throwing a referee into the boot of a car after a match 2 years ago? A supporter getting his ear bitten off during a scuffle at a Club game in Tyrone last year,
A Errigal Ciaran fan throwing a barrel onto the Mullahoran players at half time in the Ulster club game last year in Brefni
Karl Lacey being allegedly spat on when he was sitting in the stand in Omagh last week. Thats only a few, , things happen in all counties, but in Tyrone its more a weekly thing.
interesting point of view. we'll take it on board and the committee will get back to you in due course.
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I wouldn't expect you to get back to me, it was mentioned in Hoganstand. I'm sure they wouldn't make a song and dance of it.
ok, here's my take on what you're doing. you're stereotyping people from tyrone. you've made a statement, "but in tyrone it's more a weekly thing", where you've taken some isolated incidents involving a few individuals and made conclusions about gaa people from tyrone based on these isolated incidents. if there's a few people over on hoganstand, making the same judgements and insulting stereotypes about the character of tyrone gaa folk too, it only proves one thing. that there's are a few people over on hoganstand who are prone to stereotyping people.
do me a favour, lay off the stereotypes. seriously, you'll be doing me a favour. i should be doing something much more productive than chatting on here!
Sorry Mister Sensitivity, the thread was set up about an incident involving a Tyrone club, i included other recent events. When there was recent events which happened why was it such a problem to mention them
As I said already incidents happen in every county ,if you had read that,.. but seem to highlited more in Tyrone, maybe they happen more so in Tyrone I don't know..
you eejit, what part of stereotyping do you not get?
Did I call every Tyrone fan a headcase no, of course there is lots of sane fans...
you implied it, which is the same thing. and when you're challenged, you become concilatory and have nothing to offer other than platitudes about your perceived knowledge on the state of the mental health of gaa supporters.
Implying it and actually saying it are different things. I know Tyrone fans and yes they are normal people (a small minority have a thuggish element -not all)
.. Great to see somebody from donegal acting as a spokesperson for Tyrone though... I'm sure they can speak for themselves , eh? Without yourself getting all hot and bothered..
check your own posts you said it happens in tyrone more and we can infer from that that you're saying tyrone folk are more predispossed to poor behaviour. i was being kind to you when i said you were inferring/implying it. it's actually shit talk.
Quote from: Itchy on March 09, 2013, 04:52:37 PM
Quote from: cadence on March 09, 2013, 04:11:18 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on March 09, 2013, 02:38:29 PM
At this stage, if a Tyrone man threw a bucket full of rattlesnakes into the opposition dugout, lads would be on here saying, "This happens in every county".
equally, if someone from meath said something you thought was thick, you wouldn't say only meath people were thick would you?
Meath people are thick, what's your point?
no, the point is about stereotypes. pay attention.
Quote from: cadence on March 09, 2013, 06:59:50 PM
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Quote from: rodney trotter on March 09, 2013, 12:15:48 PM
What is it with Tyrone teams/fans and controversy? Throwing a referee into the boot of a car after a match 2 years ago? A supporter getting his ear bitten off during a scuffle at a Club game in Tyrone last year,
A Errigal Ciaran fan throwing a barrel onto the Mullahoran players at half time in the Ulster club game last year in Brefni
Karl Lacey being allegedly spat on when he was sitting in the stand in Omagh last week. Thats only a few, , things happen in all counties, but in Tyrone its more a weekly thing.
interesting point of view. we'll take it on board and the committee will get back to you in due course.
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I wouldn't expect you to get back to me, it was mentioned in Hoganstand. I'm sure they wouldn't make a song and dance of it.
ok, here's my take on what you're doing. you're stereotyping people from tyrone. you've made a statement, "but in tyrone it's more a weekly thing", where you've taken some isolated incidents involving a few individuals and made conclusions about gaa people from tyrone based on these isolated incidents. if there's a few people over on hoganstand, making the same judgements and insulting stereotypes about the character of tyrone gaa folk too, it only proves one thing. that there's are a few people over on hoganstand who are prone to stereotyping people.
do me a favour, lay off the stereotypes. seriously, you'll be doing me a favour. i should be doing something much more productive than chatting on here!
Sorry Mister Sensitivity, the thread was set up about an incident involving a Tyrone club, i included other recent events. When there was recent events which happened why was it such a problem to mention them
As I said already incidents happen in every county ,if you had read that,.. but seem to highlited more in Tyrone, maybe they happen more so in Tyrone I don't know..
you eejit, what part of stereotyping do you not get?
Did I call every Tyrone fan a headcase no, of course there is lots of sane fans...
you implied it, which is the same thing. and when you're challenged, you become concilatory and have nothing to offer other than platitudes about your perceived knowledge on the state of the mental health of gaa supporters.
Implying it and actually saying it are different things. I know Tyrone fans and yes they are normal people (a small minority have a thuggish element -not all)
.. Great to see somebody from donegal acting as a spokesperson for Tyrone though... I'm sure they can speak for themselves , eh? Without yourself getting all hot and bothered..
check your own posts you said it happens in tyrone more and we can infer from that that you're saying tyrone folk are more predispossed to poor behaviour. i was being kind to you when i said you were inferring/implying it. it's actually shit talk.
If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck & looks like a duck then the chances are that it is a duck
Was wondering if this was going to get mentioned on here..
Some people getting sidetracked by various things here...the important thing is, this is a scummy act and should not go unpunished, The GAA have footage they can use and the perpetrator should be given a hefty suspension.
Quote from: BluestackBoy on March 09, 2013, 07:03:53 PM
Quote from: cadence on March 09, 2013, 06:59:50 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on March 09, 2013, 05:11:10 PM
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Quote from: rodney trotter on March 09, 2013, 12:47:09 PM
Quote from: cadence on March 09, 2013, 12:27:30 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on March 09, 2013, 12:15:48 PM
What is it with Tyrone teams/fans and controversy? Throwing a referee into the boot of a car after a match 2 years ago? A supporter getting his ear bitten off during a scuffle at a Club game in Tyrone last year,
A Errigal Ciaran fan throwing a barrel onto the Mullahoran players at half time in the Ulster club game last year in Brefni
Karl Lacey being allegedly spat on when he was sitting in the stand in Omagh last week. Thats only a few, , things happen in all counties, but in Tyrone its more a weekly thing.
interesting point of view. we'll take it on board and the committee will get back to you in due course.
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I wouldn't expect you to get back to me, it was mentioned in Hoganstand. I'm sure they wouldn't make a song and dance of it.
ok, here's my take on what you're doing. you're stereotyping people from tyrone. you've made a statement, "but in tyrone it's more a weekly thing", where you've taken some isolated incidents involving a few individuals and made conclusions about gaa people from tyrone based on these isolated incidents. if there's a few people over on hoganstand, making the same judgements and insulting stereotypes about the character of tyrone gaa folk too, it only proves one thing. that there's are a few people over on hoganstand who are prone to stereotyping people.
do me a favour, lay off the stereotypes. seriously, you'll be doing me a favour. i should be doing something much more productive than chatting on here!
Sorry Mister Sensitivity, the thread was set up about an incident involving a Tyrone club, i included other recent events. When there was recent events which happened why was it such a problem to mention them
As I said already incidents happen in every county ,if you had read that,.. but seem to highlited more in Tyrone, maybe they happen more so in Tyrone I don't know..
you eejit, what part of stereotyping do you not get?
Did I call every Tyrone fan a headcase no, of course there is lots of sane fans...
you implied it, which is the same thing. and when you're challenged, you become concilatory and have nothing to offer other than platitudes about your perceived knowledge on the state of the mental health of gaa supporters.
Implying it and actually saying it are different things. I know Tyrone fans and yes they are normal people (a small minority have a thuggish element -not all)
.. Great to see somebody from donegal acting as a spokesperson for Tyrone though... I'm sure they can speak for themselves , eh? Without yourself getting all hot and bothered..
check your own posts you said it happens in tyrone more and we can infer from that that you're saying tyrone folk are more predispossed to poor behaviour. i was being kind to you when i said you were inferring/implying it. it's actually shit talk.
If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck & looks like a duck then the chances are that it is a duck
if you'd like to contribute something that would be fantastic, but ffs, put a bit of effort into it and spare us the f***ing cliches will yah.
Quote from: cadence on March 09, 2013, 07:02:18 PM
Quote from: Itchy on March 09, 2013, 04:52:37 PM
Quote from: cadence on March 09, 2013, 04:11:18 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on March 09, 2013, 02:38:29 PM
At this stage, if a Tyrone man threw a bucket full of rattlesnakes into the opposition dugout, lads would be on here saying, "This happens in every county".
equally, if someone from meath said something you thought was thick, you wouldn't say only meath people were thick would you?
Meath people are thick, what's your point?
no, the point is about stereotypes. pay attention.
I like turtles.
Quote from: Jinxy on March 09, 2013, 08:34:53 PM
Quote from: cadence on March 09, 2013, 07:02:18 PM
Quote from: Itchy on March 09, 2013, 04:52:37 PM
Quote from: cadence on March 09, 2013, 04:11:18 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on March 09, 2013, 02:38:29 PM
At this stage, if a Tyrone man threw a bucket full of rattlesnakes into the opposition dugout, lads would be on here saying, "This happens in every county".
equally, if someone from meath said something you thought was thick, you wouldn't say only meath people were thick would you?
Meath people are thick, what's your point?
no, the point is about stereotypes. pay attention.
I like turtles.
;D i like a more refined class of bullshit too. was fun.
QuoteAt this stage, if a Tyrone man threw a bucket full of rattlesnakes into the opposition dugout, lads would be on here saying, "This happens in every county".
Ach sure it's hard to second-guess what some mad-ass fans or even players might get up to during a match in any county Jinxy!
What might people say tho' if a county captain attempted GBH on a child in the classroom?? God forbid!?
I dunno.
Has that ever happened?
Quote from: under the bar on March 09, 2013, 08:55:32 PM
What might people say tho' if a county captain attempted GBH on a child in the classroom?? God forbid!?
You talkin about Paul Galvin? I'd hardly call throwing a duster GBH.
Quote from: cadence on March 09, 2013, 06:59:50 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on March 09, 2013, 05:11:10 PM
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Quote from: rodney trotter on March 09, 2013, 12:47:09 PM
Quote from: cadence on March 09, 2013, 12:27:30 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on March 09, 2013, 12:15:48 PM
What is it with Tyrone teams/fans and controversy? Throwing a referee into the boot of a car after a match 2 years ago? A supporter getting his ear bitten off during a scuffle at a Club game in Tyrone last year,
A Errigal Ciaran fan throwing a barrel onto the Mullahoran players at half time in the Ulster club game last year in Brefni
Karl Lacey being allegedly spat on when he was sitting in the stand in Omagh last week. Thats only a few, , things happen in all counties, but in Tyrone its more a weekly thing.
interesting point of view. we'll take it on board and the committee will get back to you in due course.
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I wouldn't expect you to get back to me, it was mentioned in Hoganstand. I'm sure they wouldn't make a song and dance of it.
ok, here's my take on what you're doing. you're stereotyping people from tyrone. you've made a statement, "but in tyrone it's more a weekly thing", where you've taken some isolated incidents involving a few individuals and made conclusions about gaa people from tyrone based on these isolated incidents. if there's a few people over on hoganstand, making the same judgements and insulting stereotypes about the character of tyrone gaa folk too, it only proves one thing. that there's are a few people over on hoganstand who are prone to stereotyping people.
do me a favour, lay off the stereotypes. seriously, you'll be doing me a favour. i should be doing something much more productive than chatting on here!
Sorry Mister Sensitivity, the thread was set up about an incident involving a Tyrone club, i included other recent events. When there was recent events which happened why was it such a problem to mention them
As I said already incidents happen in every county ,if you had read that,.. but seem to highlited more in Tyrone, maybe they happen more so in Tyrone I don't know..
you eejit, what part of stereotyping do you not get?
Did I call every Tyrone fan a headcase no, of course there is lots of sane fans...
you implied it, which is the same thing. and when you're challenged, you become concilatory and have nothing to offer other than platitudes about your perceived knowledge on the state of the mental health of gaa supporters.
Implying it and actually saying it are different things. I know Tyrone fans and yes they are normal people (a small minority have a thuggish element -not all)
.. Great to see somebody from donegal acting as a spokesperson for Tyrone though... I'm sure they can speak for themselves , eh? Without yourself getting all hot and bothered..
check your own posts you said it happens in tyrone more and we can infer from that that you're saying tyrone folk are more predispossed to poor behaviour. i was being kind to you when i said you were inferring/implying it. it's actually shit talk.
Maybe they should chalk it down as they say...
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on March 09, 2013, 07:04:44 PM
Was wondering if this was going to get mentioned on here..
Some people getting sidetracked by various things here...the important thing is, this is a scummy act and should not go unpunished, The GAA have footage they can use and the perpetrator should be given a hefty suspension.
This.
It was a scummy act and should not go unpunished.
I believe the perpetrator is trying to ply a career in journalism maybe he could write an article and clear the whole thing up. IMO its the lowest, worse , most cowardly thing you can do on a pitch!
Quote from: Radda bout yeee on March 10, 2013, 12:26:21 AM
I believe the perpetrator is trying to ply a career in journalism maybe he could write an article and clear the whole thing up. IMO its the lowest, worse , most cowardly thing you can do on a pitch!
I expect no action
Quote from: Radda bout yeee on March 10, 2013, 12:26:21 AM
I believe the perpetrator is trying to ply a career in journalism maybe he could write an article and clear the whole thing up. IMO its the lowest, worse , most cowardly thing you can do on a pitch!
I did it once during a game against a Tyrone team, I think it was Castlecaulfield, there was no love between the two teams and I got tired of being called a fenian Cnut by the center forward, anyway he raked me down the legs and I snapped and I spun around and spat in his face, the second I did it I regretted it and held the head in shame, after the game I apologized to the player and he apologized for raking me and calling me what he did, i thought he would tell me to fcuk off but fair play to him.
To this day I think about that now and again, it was one of two things I regret more than anything in my playing days.................believe it or not the other one was worse! :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[
Quote from: stew on March 10, 2013, 01:56:40 AM
Quote from: Radda bout yeee on March 10, 2013, 12:26:21 AM
I believe the perpetrator is trying to ply a career in journalism maybe he could write an article and clear the whole thing up. IMO its the lowest, worse , most cowardly thing you can do on a pitch!
I did it once during a game against a Tyrone team, I think it was Castlecaulfield, there was no love between the two teams and I got tired of being called a fenian Cnut by the center forward, anyway he raked me down the legs and I snapped and I spun around and spat in his face, the second I did it I regretted it and held the head in shame, after the game I apologized to the player and he apologized for raking me and calling me what he did, i thought he would tell me to fcuk off but fair play to him.
To this day I think about that now and again, it was one of two things I regret more than anything in my playing days.................believe it or not the other one was worse! :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[
Come on stew ye fenian cnut reveal all. Hope you are feeling better by the way?
You spat on someone? Jesus Stew.
Step one - incident in Tyrone
Step two - someone claims its a problem in Tyrone
Step three - some Tyrone fans feel they are being unfairly stereotyped
Jesus lads it happens in every county and I'd put my own down as a bad one for the fights , but any man who doesn't admit that Tyrone is one of the worst places for it is living on a different planet.
Quote from: reddgnhand on March 10, 2013, 08:28:48 AM
Quote from: stew on March 10, 2013, 01:56:40 AM
Quote from: Radda bout yeee on March 10, 2013, 12:26:21 AM
I believe the perpetrator is trying to ply a career in journalism maybe he could write an article and clear the whole thing up. IMO its the lowest, worse , most cowardly thing you can do on a pitch!
I did it once during a game against a Tyrone team, I think it was Castlecaulfield, there was no love between the two teams and I got tired of being called a fenian Cnut by the center forward, anyway he raked me down the legs and I snapped and I spun around and spat in his face, the second I did it I regretted it and held the head in shame, after the game I apologized to the player and he apologized for raking me and calling me what he did, i thought he would tell me to fcuk off but fair play to him.
To this day I think about that now and again, it was one of two things I regret more than anything in my playing days.................believe it or not the other one was worse! :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[
Come on stew ye fenian cnut reveal all. Hope you are feeling better by the way?
;D ;D
Fair play to Galvin for not reacting.
Quote from: onefaircounty on March 10, 2013, 09:51:57 AM
Step one - incident in Tyrone
Step two - someone claims its a problem in Tyrone
Step three - some Tyrone fans feel they are being unfairly stereotyped
Jesus lads it happens in every county and I'd put my own down as a bad one for the fights , but any man who doesn't admit that Tyrone is one of the worst places for it is living on a different planet.
and i suppose you've got the quantitative research data to prove this statement... no?! well that does come as a surprise.
It would make a good thesis though.
I think it has something to do with the geographical location. We're too inland.
Interesting tweet today:
emlyn mulligan @emlynmulligan
I've seen some dirty acts in Gaa but for a player covered in blood to spit blood on a fellow players face(mine) is disgraceful carry on..
Quote from: ONeill on March 10, 2013, 01:54:51 PM
It would make a good thesis though.
I think it has something to do with the geographical location. We're too inbred.
Ahh don't be too harsh on yourself.
Quote from: cadence on March 10, 2013, 01:28:33 PM
Quote from: onefaircounty on March 10, 2013, 09:51:57 AM
Step one - incident in Tyrone
Step two - someone claims its a problem in Tyrone
Step three - some Tyrone fans feel they are being unfairly stereotyped
Jesus lads it happens in every county and I'd put my own down as a bad one for the fights , but any man who doesn't admit that Tyrone is one of the worst places for it is living on a different planet.
and i suppose you've got the quantitative research data to prove this statement... no?! well that does come as a surprise.
You've embarrassed yourself on a number of occasions lately.
Quote from: onefaircounty on March 10, 2013, 06:02:29 PM
Quote from: cadence on March 10, 2013, 01:28:33 PM
Quote from: onefaircounty on March 10, 2013, 09:51:57 AM
Step one - incident in Tyrone
Step two - someone claims its a problem in Tyrone
Step three - some Tyrone fans feel they are being unfairly stereotyped
Jesus lads it happens in every county and I'd put my own down as a bad one for the fights , but any man who doesn't admit that Tyrone is one of the worst places for it is living on a different planet.
and i suppose you've got the quantitative research data to prove this statement... no?! well that does come as a surprise.
You've embarrassed yourself on a number of occasions lately.
you'd talk bollocks all day long if you were let.
Quote from: stew on March 10, 2013, 01:56:40 AM
Quote from: Radda bout yeee on March 10, 2013, 12:26:21 AM
I believe the perpetrator is trying to ply a career in journalism maybe he could write an article and clear the whole thing up. IMO its the lowest, worse , most cowardly thing you can do on a pitch!
I did it once during a game against a Tyrone team, I think it was Castlecaulfield, there was no love between the two teams and I got tired of being called a fenian Cnut by the center forward, anyway he raked me down the legs and I snapped and I spun around and spat in his face, the second I did it I regretted it and held the head in shame, after the game I apologized to the player and he apologized for raking me and calling me what he did, i thought he would tell me to fcuk off but fair play to him.
To this day I think about that now and again, it was one of two things I regret more than anything in my playing days.................believe it or not the other one was worse! :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[
Yer correct. Playing soccer is a terrible act.
Quote from: cadence on March 10, 2013, 06:05:42 PM
Quote from: onefaircounty on March 10, 2013, 06:02:29 PM
Quote from: cadence on March 10, 2013, 01:28:33 PM
Quote from: onefaircounty on March 10, 2013, 09:51:57 AM
Step one - incident in Tyrone
Step two - someone claims its a problem in Tyrone
Step three - some Tyrone fans feel they are being unfairly stereotyped
Jesus lads it happens in every county and I'd put my own down as a bad one for the fights , but any man who doesn't admit that Tyrone is one of the worst places for it is living on a different planet.
and i suppose you've got the quantitative research data to prove this statement... no?! well that does come as a surprise.
You've embarrassed yourself on a number of occasions lately.
you'd talk bollocks all day long if you were let.
I can picture you now, your face getting redder than the hand on your jersey. Anger growing inside you, if only we were at a match you could gob away at me 'till your heart was content.
Calm down petal. You don't have to defend Tyrone at every turn.
They played Offaly today and lost. An Offaly man was sent off on a straight red, I don't know if it was for this incident.
I wonder how the blood injury was caused???
As for anyone spitting, it's a disgusting, kn**ker thing to do, and if our lad did it today I hope he gets 2 months at least.
Yeah I'd be curious to know why he had blood in his mouth in the first place.
Still no excuse for spitting.
Quote from: onefaircounty on March 10, 2013, 06:35:07 PM
Quote from: cadence on March 10, 2013, 06:05:42 PM
Quote from: onefaircounty on March 10, 2013, 06:02:29 PM
Quote from: cadence on March 10, 2013, 01:28:33 PM
Quote from: onefaircounty on March 10, 2013, 09:51:57 AM
Step one - incident in Tyrone
Step two - someone claims its a problem in Tyrone
Step three - some Tyrone fans feel they are being unfairly stereotyped
Jesus lads it happens in every county and I'd put my own down as a bad one for the fights , but any man who doesn't admit that Tyrone is one of the worst places for it is living on a different planet.
and i suppose you've got the quantitative research data to prove this statement... no?! well that does come as a surprise.
You've embarrassed yourself on a number of occasions lately.
you'd talk bollocks all day long if you were let.
I can picture you now, your face getting redder than the hand on your jersey. Anger growing inside you, if only we were at a match you could gob away at me 'till your heart was content.
Calm down petal. You don't have to defend Tyrone at every turn.
correction, you're incapable of not talking bollocks... nothing insightful or interesting to say. say something interesting ffs. slag me off with a bit more creativity even, "anger inside you... redder than the hand on your jersey"... you're inspired!
load of oul' bollocks as usual.
Quote from: cadence on March 10, 2013, 07:25:30 PM
Quote from: onefaircounty on March 10, 2013, 06:35:07 PM
Quote from: cadence on March 10, 2013, 06:05:42 PM
Quote from: onefaircounty on March 10, 2013, 06:02:29 PM
Quote from: cadence on March 10, 2013, 01:28:33 PM
Quote from: onefaircounty on March 10, 2013, 09:51:57 AM
Step one - incident in Tyrone
Step two - someone claims its a problem in Tyrone
Step three - some Tyrone fans feel they are being unfairly stereotyped
Jesus lads it happens in every county and I'd put my own down as a bad one for the fights , but any man who doesn't admit that Tyrone is one of the worst places for it is living on a different planet.
and i suppose you've got the quantitative research data to prove this statement... no?! well that does come as a surprise.
You've embarrassed yourself on a number of occasions lately.
you'd talk bollocks all day long if you were let.
I can picture you now, your face getting redder than the hand on your jersey. Anger growing inside you, if only we were at a match you could gob away at me 'till your heart was content.
Calm down petal. You don't have to defend Tyrone at every turn.
correction, you're incapable of not talking bollocks... nothing insightful or interesting to say. say something interesting ffs. slag me off with a bit more creativity even, "anger inside you... redder than the hand on your jersey"... you're inspired!
load of oul' bollocks as usual.
;D
Doing a great job of showing that Tyrone fans don't get wound up.
Quote from: onefaircounty on March 10, 2013, 07:28:05 PM
Quote from: cadence on March 10, 2013, 07:25:30 PM
Quote from: onefaircounty on March 10, 2013, 06:35:07 PM
Quote from: cadence on March 10, 2013, 06:05:42 PM
Quote from: onefaircounty on March 10, 2013, 06:02:29 PM
Quote from: cadence on March 10, 2013, 01:28:33 PM
Quote from: onefaircounty on March 10, 2013, 09:51:57 AM
Step one - incident in Tyrone
Step two - someone claims its a problem in Tyrone
Step three - some Tyrone fans feel they are being unfairly stereotyped
Jesus lads it happens in every county and I'd put my own down as a bad one for the fights , but any man who doesn't admit that Tyrone is one of the worst places for it is living on a different planet.
and i suppose you've got the quantitative research data to prove this statement... no?! well that does come as a surprise.
You've embarrassed yourself on a number of occasions lately.
you'd talk bollocks all day long if you were let.
I can picture you now, your face getting redder than the hand on your jersey. Anger growing inside you, if only we were at a match you could gob away at me 'till your heart was content.
Calm down petal. You don't have to defend Tyrone at every turn.
correction, you're incapable of not talking bollocks... nothing insightful or interesting to say. say something interesting ffs. slag me off with a bit more creativity even, "anger inside you... redder than the hand on your jersey"... you're inspired!
load of oul' bollocks as usual.
;D
Doing a great job of showing that Tyrone fans don't get wound up.
still talking bollocks. are you just an eejit, is that it?
Quote from: onefaircounty on March 10, 2013, 07:28:05 PM
;D
Doing a great job of showing that Tyrone fans don't get wound up.
Um Cadence, when are you going to tell him?
Quote from: cadence on March 10, 2013, 07:35:23 PM
Quote from: onefaircounty on March 10, 2013, 07:28:05 PM
Quote from: cadence on March 10, 2013, 07:25:30 PM
Quote from: onefaircounty on March 10, 2013, 06:35:07 PM
Quote from: cadence on March 10, 2013, 06:05:42 PM
Quote from: onefaircounty on March 10, 2013, 06:02:29 PM
Quote from: cadence on March 10, 2013, 01:28:33 PM
Quote from: onefaircounty on March 10, 2013, 09:51:57 AM
Step one - incident in Tyrone
Step two - someone claims its a problem in Tyrone
Step three - some Tyrone fans feel they are being unfairly stereotyped
Jesus lads it happens in every county and I'd put my own down as a bad one for the fights , but any man who doesn't admit that Tyrone is one of the worst places for it is living on a different planet.
and i suppose you've got the quantitative research data to prove this statement... no?! well that does come as a surprise.
You've embarrassed yourself on a number of occasions lately.
you'd talk bollocks all day long if you were let.
I can picture you now, your face getting redder than the hand on your jersey. Anger growing inside you, if only we were at a match you could gob away at me 'till your heart was content.
Calm down petal. You don't have to defend Tyrone at every turn.
correction, you're incapable of not talking bollocks... nothing insightful or interesting to say. say something interesting ffs. slag me off with a bit more creativity even, "anger inside you... redder than the hand on your jersey"... you're inspired!
load of oul' bollocks as usual.
;D
Doing a great job of showing that Tyrone fans don't get wound up.
still talking bollocks. are you just an eejit, is that it?
:D
Quote from: muppet on March 10, 2013, 07:41:49 PM
Quote from: onefaircounty on March 10, 2013, 07:28:05 PM
;D
Doing a great job of showing that Tyrone fans don't get wound up.
Um Cadence, when are you going to tell him?
ah, i'm enjoying meself too much.
+ i'm holed up in me room trying to write some aul bollocks for a course i'm doing, have been for the last 3 weeks, it's the only social interaction i'm getting for the next week and a half. i need him more than he needs me!
Quote from: reddgnhand on March 10, 2013, 08:28:48 AM
Quote from: stew on March 10, 2013, 01:56:40 AM
Quote from: Radda bout yeee on March 10, 2013, 12:26:21 AM
I believe the perpetrator is trying to ply a career in journalism maybe he could write an article and clear the whole thing up. IMO its the lowest, worse , most cowardly thing you can do on a pitch!
I did it once during a game against a Tyrone team, I think it was Castlecaulfield, there was no love between the two teams and I got tired of being called a fenian Cnut by the center forward, anyway he raked me down the legs and I snapped and I spun around and spat in his face, the second I did it I regretted it and held the head in shame, after the game I apologized to the player and he apologized for raking me and calling me what he did, i thought he would tell me to fcuk off but fair play to him.
To this day I think about that now and again, it was one of two things I regret more than anything in my playing days.................believe it or not the other one was worse! :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[
Come on stew ye fenian cnut reveal all. Hope you are feeling better by the way?
Be a member of the udr and call me that and worse twenty or thirty times, them near take my left leg off and I would...................................Nah, my spitting day is well over.
Same thing happened me playing the Uni Of Wisconsin Green bay men's team when I was about 35, we both went for the ball flat out and he ended up banging against the boards, he jumped up, spat in my face and promptly got sent off and kicked out of the last three weeks of the league, no apology was offered and that was fine by me!
Longstone v'caufield games were always edgy affairs, even went to the odd Armagh Celtic v Caulfield game to see the rows.
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 10, 2013, 06:48:31 PM
They played Offaly today and lost. An Offaly man was sent off on a straight red, I don't know if it was for this incident.
I wonder how the blood injury was caused???
As for anyone spitting, it's a disgusting, kn**ker thing to do, and if our lad did it today I hope he gets 2 months at least.
From what he put up on Twitter it was the guy who spat in his face who was sent off. Disgusting, vile act and the maximum pnishment should be laid at his door.
On a side note, I was spat at twice on the football field in my career, once during a schools game and once during a club game. They were both Tyrone teams and both from the same area. It was 2 different players and to this day I remember the name of one of them. This was 20 odd years ago and probably happened in other counties.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on March 10, 2013, 09:19:15 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 10, 2013, 06:48:31 PM
They played Offaly today and lost. An Offaly man was sent off on a straight red, I don't know if it was for this incident.
I wonder how the blood injury was caused???
As for anyone spitting, it's a disgusting, kn**ker thing to do, and if our lad did it today I hope he gets 2 months at least.
From what he put up on Twitter it was the guy who spat in his face who was sent off. Disgusting, vile act and the maximum pnishment should be laid at his door.
On a side note, I was spat at twice on the football field in my career, once during a schools game and once during a club game. They were both Tyrone teams and both from the same area. It was 2 different players and to this day I remember the name of one of them. This was 20 odd years ago and probably happened in other counties.
Given the start of this thread is interesting to note that it was a Tyrone referee who sent the player off. Maybe he is more used to spotting it. :D
was a cowardly act and the cookstown player should get a lengthy ban for it.
dont think he would be as quick to do that in a game away to carrickmore or dromore.
unfortunately there seems to be a right few scumbags in tyrone gaa at the moment, and something needs to be done to weed them out.
Scummy act that. Real manly of him, I'd say he will regret that before the year is out. ;) Clarshack is right, not a chance would he try that stunt around the Carmen.
Did the same buck not have a number of run ins with the local police force?
Disgusting act. Hope he gets the book.
Got a dead leg yesterday from a cowardly knee on my blindside. Hobbling today but would much rather that than someone gobbing in my face, disgusting act.
Quote from: bennydorano on March 10, 2013, 08:55:52 PM
Longstone v'caufield games were always edgy affairs, even went to the odd Armagh Celtic v Caulfield game to see the rows.
They were Benny, I play in near 20 games against Armagh Celtic and there were a couple of games that were very close to the knuckle, every time we played Caulfield it seemed to be a gutting match!
I was however sad to hear that one of their best players died in Spain after he fell over a balcony from the third floor with a slap of drink in him, I remember the cub full well to, powerful player and it's a shame he went out like that.
I know it is a scummy act alright, I am thinking there are a right few on here who have done it but are keeping the head low, fair play to them, I should have probably as I now feel lower than a dogs bollocks!
Anyone who admits to spitting at an opponent should be banned from the board imho.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on March 10, 2013, 09:19:15 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 10, 2013, 06:48:31 PM
They played Offaly today and lost. An Offaly man was sent off on a straight red, I don't know if it was for this incident.
I wonder how the blood injury was caused???
As for anyone spitting, it's a disgusting, kn**ker thing to do, and if our lad did it today I hope he gets 2 months at least.
From what he put up on Twitter it was the guy who spat in his face who was sent off. Disgusting, vile act and the maximum pnishment should be laid at his door.
On a side note, I was spat at twice on the football field in my career, once during a schools game and once during a club game. They were both Tyrone teams and both from the same area. It was 2 different players and to this day I remember the name of one of them. This was 20 odd years ago and probably happened in other counties.
A little fcuker that I was marking spat at me a couple of years ago. I'll never forget it or his name. His uncle was refereeing the match. We lost despite being much the better team. Those last two sentences are linked. The only thing I could salvage from that day was that I avoided a long suspension.
Did you clock him, Seanie?
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on March 11, 2013, 10:16:31 AM
Scummy act that. Real manly of him, I'd say he will regret that before the year is out. ;) Clarshack is right, not a chance would he try that stunt around the Carmen.
Did the same buck not have a number of run ins with the local police force?
They'd beat him to it
Quote from: Hardy on March 11, 2013, 04:20:15 PM
Did you clock him, Seanie?
No. He lost the head at something I said (hard to believe, I know!) and let on he was going to clock me and I begged him to do it. He got taken off by his Daddy (their manager, ref's brother) before the next ball arrived which is probably a good thing as I'd have no doubt bursted myself trying to clip him. That's the condensed version. The longer, more boring version is available any time you have a pint with me....
That video is disgusting.
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 11, 2013, 04:34:18 PM
Quote from: Hardy on March 11, 2013, 04:20:15 PM
Did you clock him, Seanie?
No. He lost the head at something I said (hard to believe, I know!) and let on he was going to clock me and I begged him to do it. He got taken off by his Daddy (their manager, ref's brother) before the next ball arrived which is probably a good thing as I'd have no doubt bursted myself trying to clip him. That's the condensed version. The longer, more boring version is available any time you have a pint with me....
Ah it's a pity. The story deserved to end with him on his back spitting out teeth.
Quote from: Hardy on March 11, 2013, 04:41:13 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 11, 2013, 04:34:18 PM
Quote from: Hardy on March 11, 2013, 04:20:15 PM
Did you clock him, Seanie?
No. He lost the head at something I said (hard to believe, I know!) and let on he was going to clock me and I begged him to do it. He got taken off by his Daddy (their manager, ref's brother) before the next ball arrived which is probably a good thing as I'd have no doubt bursted myself trying to clip him. That's the condensed version. The longer, more boring version is available any time you have a pint with me....
Ah it's a pity. The story deserved to end with him on his back spitting out teeth.
I know. Sometimes doing the "right thing" feels so wrong. And vice versa.
Must get my knee fixed and go back playing a few games.....
Quote from: Jinxy on March 11, 2013, 03:57:44 PM
Anyone who admits to spitting at an opponent should be banned from the board imho.
Right you are Ted, and sure let the wans that did not admit it stay so! :-\
(http://cdn.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00071/ryan_mcmenamin_71041a.jpg)
That's just slobber.
There's a difference.
Yeah, you can't send off a lad for having rabies.
:-[
Quote from: Jinxy on March 11, 2013, 06:20:12 PM
That's just slobber.
There's a difference.
:-[
Shuuuurrrrrre it is!
For all Ricey's miraculous powers, parabolic spitting was not among them.
There was a touch of the parabolics about him, though.
I know a physiotherapist from Mayo who says that couldn't possibly be McMenamin's slabber at that angle. Try it yourself sure.
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on March 11, 2013, 09:15:58 PM
Quote from: ONeill on March 11, 2013, 08:16:41 PM
I know a physiotherapist from Mayo who says that couldn't possibly be McMenamin's slabber at that angle. Try it yourself sure.
As I've said before, the tail end of that spittle is in the opposite direction of McMenamin while his lips aren't open or puffed out in a way that you'd need to project it. Far more likely he was spat on.
He could do with a wash.
I remember playing in a school year blitz at St. Mary's in Belfast in 87/88 and when one of our players held out his hand to shake hands at the end of the match, the hero from the opposition landed a greener in his hand. Classy!
In tmro's Irish News: Tyrone and Cookstown ace Owen Mulligan makes startling claims against All-Ireland Club final opponents Finuge
Let me guess, "they called us black bastards"
I was wondering when the counter-offensive would start.
According to Mugsy it was far far worse than the normal Laois slabbering about being the queen's subjects. Mugsy claimed on social media last night that there were derogatory comments made that would make your blood boil.
Still doesn't justify the actions of the Cookstown player but does give us an insight into the mentality of Kerry people.
Tyrone Gaels have a nasty spiteful side to them, at least its not hidden. Others, Kerry especially, have a holier than thou aura, but its obvious that they are a rotten bunch.
Quote from: ONeill on March 11, 2013, 08:16:41 PM
I know a physiotherapist from Mayo who says that couldn't possibly be McMenamin's slabber at that angle. Try it yourself sure.
Zzzzzz..... ;)
THE bitter Kerry-Tyrone enmity has taken yet another twist with Owen Mulligan launching an impassioned defence of his club and a team-mate amidst more allegations of a spitting incident in a high-profile GAA match.
Mulligan's club Fr Rock's from Cookstown won last month's All-Ireland intermediate football final by beating a Finuge side featuring Kerry star Paul Galvin in Croke Park.
But over the weekend a video clip of an incident in that match surfaced on YouTube appearing to show Galvin being spat on.
The clip shows Galvin wiping his face and then protesting to Mulligan (above), who was on the field but was not involved in the alleged spitting incident.
The latest allegation comes as Tyrone County Board lay a charge of disrepute against a fan for allegedly spitting at Donegal's Footballer of the Year Karl Lacey after their recent league match in Omagh, and Leitrim forward Emlyn Mulligan's allegation that he was spat at during his side's defeat to Offaly in Sunday's football league Division 4 fixture in Carrick-on-Shannon.
Mulligan took to his twitter and Facebook accounts yesterday to vigorously defend the position of his club after the video clip made its way into the public domain. On Twitter, he said the spitting allegations were "out of control."
Mulligan claims the match was played against the backdrop of abusive comments but says in a very strongly-worded statement posted on his Facebook page that he is a firm believer that "what happens on the pitch stays on the pitch". As a consequence, he didn't want to go into detail of what was said immediately after the game, saying "the GAA has had enough negative press recently."
When contacted by the Irish Independent last night Mulligan re-iterated his support for his club and outlined how verbal abuse and sledging had become "unfortunately a strong part of the game.
Did the Cookstown player spit on Galvin when he had his back turned or not?
Quote from: Declan on March 12, 2013, 10:03:27 AM
THE bitter Kerry-Tyrone enmity has taken yet another twist with Owen Mulligan launching an impassioned defence of his club and a team-mate amidst more allegations of a spitting incident in a high-profile GAA match.
Mulligan's club Fr Rock's from Cookstown won last month's All-Ireland intermediate football final by beating a Finuge side featuring Kerry star Paul Galvin in Croke Park.
But over the weekend a video clip of an incident in that match surfaced on YouTube appearing to show Galvin being spat on.
The clip shows Galvin wiping his face and then protesting to Mulligan (above), who was on the field but was not involved in the alleged spitting incident.
The latest allegation comes as Tyrone County Board lay a charge of disrepute against a fan for allegedly spitting at Donegal's Footballer of the Year Karl Lacey after their recent league match in Omagh, and Leitrim forward Emlyn Mulligan's allegation that he was spat at during his side's defeat to Offaly in Sunday's football league Division 4 fixture in Carrick-on-Shannon.
Mulligan took to his twitter and Facebook accounts yesterday to vigorously defend the position of his club after the video clip made its way into the public domain. On Twitter, he said the spitting allegations were "out of control."
Mulligan claims the match was played against the backdrop of abusive comments but says in a very strongly-worded statement posted on his Facebook page that he is a firm believer that "what happens on the pitch stays on the pitch". As a consequence, he didn't want to go into detail of what was said immediately after the game, saying "the GAA has had enough negative press recently."
When contacted by the Irish Independent last night Mulligan re-iterated his support for his club and outlined how verbal abuse and sledging had become "unfortunately a strong part of the game.
Wonder did Mulligan have any issues when Gormley and McMenamin were coming out with all their slabber on the pitch? Letting himself and his club down badly trying to deflect attention away from the crass spitting incident. Indefensible.
Quote from: spuds on March 12, 2013, 11:30:23 AM
Quote from: Declan on March 12, 2013, 10:03:27 AM
THE bitter Kerry-Tyrone enmity has taken yet another twist with Owen Mulligan launching an impassioned defence of his club and a team-mate amidst more allegations of a spitting incident in a high-profile GAA match.
Mulligan's club Fr Rock's from Cookstown won last month's All-Ireland intermediate football final by beating a Finuge side featuring Kerry star Paul Galvin in Croke Park.
But over the weekend a video clip of an incident in that match surfaced on YouTube appearing to show Galvin being spat on.
The clip shows Galvin wiping his face and then protesting to Mulligan (above), who was on the field but was not involved in the alleged spitting incident.
The latest allegation comes as Tyrone County Board lay a charge of disrepute against a fan for allegedly spitting at Donegal's Footballer of the Year Karl Lacey after their recent league match in Omagh, and Leitrim forward Emlyn Mulligan's allegation that he was spat at during his side's defeat to Offaly in Sunday's football league Division 4 fixture in Carrick-on-Shannon.
Mulligan took to his twitter and Facebook accounts yesterday to vigorously defend the position of his club after the video clip made its way into the public domain. On Twitter, he said the spitting allegations were "out of control."
Mulligan claims the match was played against the backdrop of abusive comments but says in a very strongly-worded statement posted on his Facebook page that he is a firm believer that "what happens on the pitch stays on the pitch". As a consequence, he didn't want to go into detail of what was said immediately after the game, saying "the GAA has had enough negative press recently."
When contacted by the Irish Independent last night Mulligan re-iterated his support for his club and outlined how verbal abuse and sledging had become "unfortunately a strong part of the game.
Wonder did Mulligan have any issues when Gormley and McMenamin were coming out with all their slabber on the pitch? Letting himself and his club down badly trying to deflect attention away from the crass spitting incident. Indefensible.
Fair play to him. If Kerry lads were dishing out sectarian abuse, then it deserves to be brought up. It's every bit as as vile as spitting on someone.
Quote from: Nally Stand on March 12, 2013, 11:39:04 AM
Quote from: spuds on March 12, 2013, 11:30:23 AM
Quote from: Declan on March 12, 2013, 10:03:27 AM
THE bitter Kerry-Tyrone enmity has taken yet another twist with Owen Mulligan launching an impassioned defence of his club and a team-mate amidst more allegations of a spitting incident in a high-profile GAA match.
Mulligan's club Fr Rock's from Cookstown won last month's All-Ireland intermediate football final by beating a Finuge side featuring Kerry star Paul Galvin in Croke Park.
But over the weekend a video clip of an incident in that match surfaced on YouTube appearing to show Galvin being spat on.
The clip shows Galvin wiping his face and then protesting to Mulligan (above), who was on the field but was not involved in the alleged spitting incident.
The latest allegation comes as Tyrone County Board lay a charge of disrepute against a fan for allegedly spitting at Donegal's Footballer of the Year Karl Lacey after their recent league match in Omagh, and Leitrim forward Emlyn Mulligan's allegation that he was spat at during his side's defeat to Offaly in Sunday's football league Division 4 fixture in Carrick-on-Shannon.
Mulligan took to his twitter and Facebook accounts yesterday to vigorously defend the position of his club after the video clip made its way into the public domain. On Twitter, he said the spitting allegations were "out of control."
Mulligan claims the match was played against the backdrop of abusive comments but says in a very strongly-worded statement posted on his Facebook page that he is a firm believer that "what happens on the pitch stays on the pitch". As a consequence, he didn't want to go into detail of what was said immediately after the game, saying "the GAA has had enough negative press recently."
When contacted by the Irish Independent last night Mulligan re-iterated his support for his club and outlined how verbal abuse and sledging had become "unfortunately a strong part of the game.
Wonder did Mulligan have any issues when Gormley and McMenamin were coming out with all their slabber on the pitch? Letting himself and his club down badly trying to deflect attention away from the crass spitting incident. Indefensible.
Fair play to him. If Kerry lads were dishing out sectarian abuse, then it deserves to be brought up. It's every bit as as vile as spitting on someone.
I see Nally has the blinkers back on ready to back his side regardless of what happened. ::)
From the weekend...Leitrim v Offaly match, Emlyn Mulligan had this to say on twitter afterwards.
"I've seen some dirty acts in Gaa but for a player covered in blood to spit blood on a fellow players face(mine) is disgraceful carry on"
"Fair play to the ref tho,he gave him a straight red for it and only right!!surely deserves more than a one match suspension"
Quote from: spuds on March 12, 2013, 11:42:32 AM
Quote from: Nally Stand on March 12, 2013, 11:39:04 AM
Quote from: spuds on March 12, 2013, 11:30:23 AM
Quote from: Declan on March 12, 2013, 10:03:27 AM
THE bitter Kerry-Tyrone enmity has taken yet another twist with Owen Mulligan launching an impassioned defence of his club and a team-mate amidst more allegations of a spitting incident in a high-profile GAA match.
Mulligan's club Fr Rock's from Cookstown won last month's All-Ireland intermediate football final by beating a Finuge side featuring Kerry star Paul Galvin in Croke Park.
But over the weekend a video clip of an incident in that match surfaced on YouTube appearing to show Galvin being spat on.
The clip shows Galvin wiping his face and then protesting to Mulligan (above), who was on the field but was not involved in the alleged spitting incident.
The latest allegation comes as Tyrone County Board lay a charge of disrepute against a fan for allegedly spitting at Donegal's Footballer of the Year Karl Lacey after their recent league match in Omagh, and Leitrim forward Emlyn Mulligan's allegation that he was spat at during his side's defeat to Offaly in Sunday's football league Division 4 fixture in Carrick-on-Shannon.
Mulligan took to his twitter and Facebook accounts yesterday to vigorously defend the position of his club after the video clip made its way into the public domain. On Twitter, he said the spitting allegations were "out of control."
Mulligan claims the match was played against the backdrop of abusive comments but says in a very strongly-worded statement posted on his Facebook page that he is a firm believer that "what happens on the pitch stays on the pitch". As a consequence, he didn't want to go into detail of what was said immediately after the game, saying "the GAA has had enough negative press recently."
When contacted by the Irish Independent last night Mulligan re-iterated his support for his club and outlined how verbal abuse and sledging had become "unfortunately a strong part of the game.
Wonder did Mulligan have any issues when Gormley and McMenamin were coming out with all their slabber on the pitch? Letting himself and his club down badly trying to deflect attention away from the crass spitting incident. Indefensible.
Fair play to him. If Kerry lads were dishing out sectarian abuse, then it deserves to be brought up. It's every bit as as vile as spitting on someone.
I see Nally has the blinkers back on ready to back his side regardless of what happened. ::)
Blinkers? So public condemnation of a Tyrone man spitting is fine but sectarian abuse from Kerry players should not be spoken of? And I'm the one with blinkers on??? :o
paul galvin @pgal10
To say i am disappointed and saddened by Eoin Mulligans comments this morning is an understatement.
Nally, spitting and name calling (no matter what the name it is) cannot be in the same category,
If Paul Galvin had spat on a cookstown player, would love to have heard your response,
Quote from: Onion Bag on March 12, 2013, 12:00:24 PM
Nally, spitting and name calling (no matter what the name it is) cannot be in the same category,
If Paul Galvin had spat on a cookstown player, would love to have heard your response,
Sectarian abuse is not just "name calling" in the same way as racist abuse is not just "name calling". Spitting, sectarian abuse and racist abuse are three actions that are well beneath contempt.
Spitting is the act of a tr**p.
Name calling (sectarian) is the act of a fool.
Sledging (the type Mugsy is alluding to) is also the act of a tr**p.
Quote from: Nally Stand on March 12, 2013, 12:10:49 PM
Quote from: Onion Bag on March 12, 2013, 12:00:24 PM
Nally, spitting and name calling (no matter what the name it is) cannot be in the same category,
If Paul Galvin had spat on a cookstown player, would love to have heard your response,
Sectarian abuse is not just "name calling" in the same way as racist abuse is not just "name calling". Spitting, sectarian abuse and racist abuse are three actions that are well beneath contempt.
Hang on, sectarian abuse? Between two Irish, Catholic (assumption on my part), GAA players?
Quote from: Nally Stand on March 12, 2013, 12:10:49 PM
Quote from: Onion Bag on March 12, 2013, 12:00:24 PM
Nally, spitting and name calling (no matter what the name it is) cannot be in the same category,
If Paul Galvin had spat on a cookstown player, would love to have heard your response,
Sectarian abuse is not just "name calling" in the same way as racist abuse is not just "name calling". Spitting, sectarian abuse and racist abuse are three actions that are well beneath contempt.
I agree that they are all beneath contempt,
but would you rather someone gob in your face or call you a sectarian name like a british bastard or a fenian bastard or whatever
they are not on the same level or knowhere near the same level
Quote from: Tubberman on March 12, 2013, 12:22:45 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on March 12, 2013, 12:10:49 PM
Quote from: Onion Bag on March 12, 2013, 12:00:24 PM
Nally, spitting and name calling (no matter what the name it is) cannot be in the same category,
If Paul Galvin had spat on a cookstown player, would love to have heard your response,
Sectarian abuse is not just "name calling" in the same way as racist abuse is not just "name calling". Spitting, sectarian abuse and racist abuse are three actions that are well beneath contempt.
Hang on, sectarian abuse? Between two Irish, Catholic (assumption on my part), GAA players?
In 2011 when Dublin hammered Tyrone, as we were walking up Jones Rd, a crowd of Dubs behind us started singing and jeering and shouting at us to "f**k off back to England" (yes, England) and calling us "black bastards". Stupidity is no excuse. Sectarian abuse is sectarian abuse.
Player in question didnt have the guts to spit in Galvins face to be fair. What in God's name possessed him to carry out the yellowest trampiest act?
Quote from: Onion Bag on March 12, 2013, 12:23:49 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on March 12, 2013, 12:10:49 PM
Quote from: Onion Bag on March 12, 2013, 12:00:24 PM
Nally, spitting and name calling (no matter what the name it is) cannot be in the same category,
If Paul Galvin had spat on a cookstown player, would love to have heard your response,
Sectarian abuse is not just "name calling" in the same way as racist abuse is not just "name calling". Spitting, sectarian abuse and racist abuse are three actions that are well beneath contempt.
I agree that they are all beneath contempt,
but would you rather someone gob in your face or call you a sectarian name like a british b**tard or a fenian b**tard or whatever
they are not on the same level or knowhere near the same level
As far as I'm concerned, one would be as scummy an action as the other. In fact personally speaking, I think a player spitting at me would be less likely to provoke a reaction than a fellow Irishman calling me a british b*****d etc, but that is not the point. They are both filthy scummy actions and as such, if one action is worthy of public condemnation, then it's a beyond hypocritical to criticise someone for daring to mention the other.
Quote from: Nally Stand on March 12, 2013, 12:33:52 PM
Quote from: Onion Bag on March 12, 2013, 12:23:49 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on March 12, 2013, 12:10:49 PM
Quote from: Onion Bag on March 12, 2013, 12:00:24 PM
Nally, spitting and name calling (no matter what the name it is) cannot be in the same category,
If Paul Galvin had spat on a cookstown player, would love to have heard your response,
Sectarian abuse is not just "name calling" in the same way as racist abuse is not just "name calling". Spitting, sectarian abuse and racist abuse are three actions that are well beneath contempt.
I agree that they are all beneath contempt,
but would you rather someone gob in your face or call you a sectarian name like a british b**tard or a fenian b**tard or whatever
they are not on the same level or knowhere near the same level
As far as I'm concerned, one would be as scummy an action as the other. In fact personally speaking, I think a player spitting at me would be less likely to provoke a reaction than a fellow Irishman calling me a british b*****d etc, but that is not the point. They are both filthy scummy actions and as such, if one action is worthy of public condemnation, then it's a beyond hypocritical to criticise someone for daring to mention the other.
Mulligan isn't just mentioning the verbal abuse though, he's defending the guy who spat at Galvin.
Quote from: Tubberman on March 12, 2013, 12:39:14 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on March 12, 2013, 12:33:52 PM
Quote from: Onion Bag on March 12, 2013, 12:23:49 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on March 12, 2013, 12:10:49 PM
Quote from: Onion Bag on March 12, 2013, 12:00:24 PM
Nally, spitting and name calling (no matter what the name it is) cannot be in the same category,
If Paul Galvin had spat on a cookstown player, would love to have heard your response,
Sectarian abuse is not just "name calling" in the same way as racist abuse is not just "name calling". Spitting, sectarian abuse and racist abuse are three actions that are well beneath contempt.
I agree that they are all beneath contempt,
but would you rather someone gob in your face or call you a sectarian name like a british b**tard or a fenian b**tard or whatever
they are not on the same level or knowhere near the same level
As far as I'm concerned, one would be as scummy an action as the other. In fact personally speaking, I think a player spitting at me would be less likely to provoke a reaction than a fellow Irishman calling me a british b*****d etc, but that is not the point. They are both filthy scummy actions and as such, if one action is worthy of public condemnation, then it's a beyond hypocritical to criticise someone for daring to mention the other.
Mulligan isn't just mentioning the verbal abuse though, he's defending the guy who spat at Galvin.
And I've not defended him for doing so.
Quote from: Nally Stand on March 12, 2013, 11:55:50 AM
Quote from: spuds on March 12, 2013, 11:42:32 AM
Quote from: Nally Stand on March 12, 2013, 11:39:04 AM
Quote from: spuds on March 12, 2013, 11:30:23 AM
Quote from: Declan on March 12, 2013, 10:03:27 AM
THE bitter Kerry-Tyrone enmity has taken yet another twist with Owen Mulligan launching an impassioned defence of his club and a team-mate amidst more allegations of a spitting incident in a high-profile GAA match.
Mulligan's club Fr Rock's from Cookstown won last month's All-Ireland intermediate football final by beating a Finuge side featuring Kerry star Paul Galvin in Croke Park.
But over the weekend a video clip of an incident in that match surfaced on YouTube appearing to show Galvin being spat on.
The clip shows Galvin wiping his face and then protesting to Mulligan (above), who was on the field but was not involved in the alleged spitting incident.
The latest allegation comes as Tyrone County Board lay a charge of disrepute against a fan for allegedly spitting at Donegal's Footballer of the Year Karl Lacey after their recent league match in Omagh, and Leitrim forward Emlyn Mulligan's allegation that he was spat at during his side's defeat to Offaly in Sunday's football league Division 4 fixture in Carrick-on-Shannon.
Mulligan took to his twitter and Facebook accounts yesterday to vigorously defend the position of his club after the video clip made its way into the public domain. On Twitter, he said the spitting allegations were "out of control."
Mulligan claims the match was played against the backdrop of abusive comments but says in a very strongly-worded statement posted on his Facebook page that he is a firm believer that "what happens on the pitch stays on the pitch". As a consequence, he didn't want to go into detail of what was said immediately after the game, saying "the GAA has had enough negative press recently."
When contacted by the Irish Independent last night Mulligan re-iterated his support for his club and outlined how verbal abuse and sledging had become "unfortunately a strong part of the game.
Wonder did Mulligan have any issues when Gormley and McMenamin were coming out with all their slabber on the pitch? Letting himself and his club down badly trying to deflect attention away from the crass spitting incident. Indefensible.
Fair play to him. If Kerry lads were dishing out sectarian abuse, then it deserves to be brought up. It's every bit as as vile as spitting on someone.
I see Nally has the blinkers back on ready to back his side regardless of what happened. ::)
Blinkers? So public condemnation of a Tyrone man spitting is fine but sectarian abuse from Kerry players should not be spoken of? And I'm the one with blinkers on??? :o
The nature of the recent spiteful rivalry between Kerry and Tyrone teams at both county and club level players will be expecting comments such as "free state b**tar*s" and "go home to England/Britain" coming their way. To spit at an opponent, especially one with his back to you, is pretty much as low as one can go on the GAA field.
Have always had good time for Eoin Mulligan, particularly going back to 2004 All Ireland quarter final after Mayo won, Mulligan stood at the tunnel exit in Croke park shaking hands with all the Mayo players leaving the field. A class act. This comment today lets himself and his club down badly.
So why is Mulligan only coming out with this now, is it just because one of his teammates has been caught acting like a gypsy?
Quote from: Nally Stand on March 12, 2013, 12:27:23 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on March 12, 2013, 12:22:45 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on March 12, 2013, 12:10:49 PM
Quote from: Onion Bag on March 12, 2013, 12:00:24 PM
Nally, spitting and name calling (no matter what the name it is) cannot be in the same category,
If Paul Galvin had spat on a cookstown player, would love to have heard your response,
Sectarian abuse is not just "name calling" in the same way as racist abuse is not just "name calling". Spitting, sectarian abuse and racist abuse are three actions that are well beneath contempt.
Hang on, sectarian abuse? Between two Irish, Catholic (assumption on my part), GAA players?
In 2011 when Dublin hammered Tyrone, as we were walking up Jones Rd, a crowd of Dubs behind us started singing and jeering and shouting at us to "f**k off back to England" (yes, England) and calling us "black b**tards". Stupidity is no excuse. Sectarian abuse is sectarian abuse.
Alan Brogan was called a "fenian c**t" by the Tyrone physio during the so called battle of Omagh! What was his excuse I wonder?
Nally, 'sectarian' abuse has been happening for years. It is wrong and should be eradicated but it won't as it is impossible to police. When,for example,a lunatic of a goalkeeper were to run from his goal and whisper in your ear after his team scores the winning goal, 'f**k off back to the black north now ye Orange bastard,' that is wrong but the umpires won't see or hear anything wrong until such times as the said fictitious goalie takes a huge fall as if he's been shot and the umpires or linesmen will see that and maybe even the lash of an elbow in retaliation to the comment. In this made-up and completely non-factual scenario the ref can only send off the young player who has retaliated and not the experienced former county goalkeeper who has taken a dive. It would be wrong,in this fictional scenario, for the young player to spit in his face and it would also be wrong to strike out but of the two evils the belt in the gob is by far the more 'respectful' and 'manly' response to this type of sectarian sledging.
The case of the Cookstown player is one of the most cowardly and despicable I have ever seen and no amount of whataboutery can justify it. He came in from a very sleeked angle and spat at Galvin and scurried off like the coward he is. Mugsy has made a pathetic attempt to deflect from this incident when he would have been better off keeping his counsel and letting things take their natural course. Spitting can be a reaction when someone is in your face but in these circumstances there was no confrontation, he ran past and cowardly spat in a man's face and that is indefensible.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on March 12, 2013, 12:54:04 PM
Nally, 'sectarian' abuse has been happening for years. It is wrong and should be eradicated but it won't as it is impossible to police. When,for example,a lunatic of a goalkeeper were to run from his goal and whisper in your ear after his team scores the winning goal, 'f**k off back to the black north now ye Orange b**tard,' that is wrong but the umpires won't see or hear anything wrong until such times as the said fictitious goalie takes a huge fall as if he's been shot and the umpires or linesmen will see that and maybe even the lash of an elbow in retaliation to the comment. In this made-up and completely non-factual scenario the ref can only send off the young player who has retaliated and not the experienced former county goalkeeper who has taken a dive. It would be wrong,in this fictional scenario, for the young player to spit in his face and it would also be wrong to strike out but of the two evils the belt in the gob is by far the more 'respectful' and 'manly' response to this type of sectarian sledging.
The case of the Cookstown player is one of the most cowardly and despicable I have ever seen and no amount of whataboutery can justify it. He came in from a very sleeked angle and spat at Galvin and scurried off like the coward he is. Mugsy has made a pathetic attempt to deflect from this incident when he would have been better off keeping his counsel and letting things take their natural course. Spitting can be a reaction when someone is in your face but in these circumstances there was no confrontation, he ran past and cowardly spat in a man's face and that is indefensible.
Nail on the head
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on March 12, 2013, 12:54:04 PM
Nally, 'sectarian' abuse has been happening for years. It is wrong and should be eradicated but it won't as it is impossible to police. When,for example,a lunatic of a goalkeeper were to run from his goal and whisper in your ear after his team scores the winning goal, 'f**k off back to the black north now ye Orange b**tard,' that is wrong but the umpires won't see or hear anything wrong until such times as the said fictitious goalie takes a huge fall as if he's been shot and the umpires or linesmen will see that and maybe even the lash of an elbow in retaliation to the comment. In this made-up and completely non-factual scenario the ref can only send off the young player who has retaliated and not the experienced former county goalkeeper who has taken a dive. It would be wrong,in this fictional scenario, for the young player to spit in his face and it would also be wrong to strike out but of the two evils the belt in the gob is by far the more 'respectful' and 'manly' response to this type of sectarian sledging.
The case of the Cookstown player is one of the most cowardly and despicable I have ever seen and no amount of whataboutery can justify it. He came in from a very sleeked angle and spat at Galvin and scurried off like the coward he is. Mugsy has made a pathetic attempt to deflect from this incident when he would have been better off keeping his counsel and letting things take their natural course. Spitting can be a reaction when someone is in your face but in these circumstances there was no confrontation, he ran past and cowardly spat in a man's face and that is indefensible.
Great post BCB,
A cowardly disgusting act, i hope the authorities come down hard on him,
I coached the young lads for the last 2 years at home and i spotted on morning at traning one of the lads spitting on the other, they were only messing around but i sent him home and waited for the parent to ring me,
The parent thanked me when i explained what had happened.
Mugsy should have just kept quiet and not try to justify it by the "well they were calling us names" line
I am in no way condoning the Cookstown player - I have said it already, it was a scummy action. I don't know how much clearer I can put it. I also think that if there was sectarian abuse, then Mugsy should have complained about it long before now. There's a general perception developing here that if it's just verbal abuse, sure, let it slide. As far as am concerned, when it comes to racist or sectarian abuse between players, then no, it shouldn't be let slide. In my books, such forms of abuse are no better than being spat on. Mugsy's timing was all wrong, but to turn a blind eye to a serious accusation just because of it's timing or because a video camera can't pick it up, is wrong. This board is always bursting at the seems with moral high-grounders when it comes to GAA violence, but it seems a lot of such people are happy to pick and choose what is allowed to be talked about.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on March 12, 2013, 12:54:04 PM
Nally, 'sectarian' abuse has been happening for years. It is wrong and should be eradicated but it won't as it is impossible to police. When,for example,a lunatic of a goalkeeper were to run from his goal and whisper in your ear after his team scores the winning goal, 'f**k off back to the black north now ye Orange b**tard,' that is wrong but the umpires won't see or hear anything wrong until such times as the said fictitious goalie takes a huge fall as if he's been shot and the umpires or linesmen will see that and maybe even the lash of an elbow in retaliation to the comment. In this made-up and completely non-factual scenario the ref can only send off the young player who has retaliated and not the experienced former county goalkeeper who has taken a dive. It would be wrong,in this fictional scenario, for the young player to spit in his face and it would also be wrong to strike out but of the two evils the belt in the gob is by far the more 'respectful' and 'manly' response to this type of sectarian sledging.
The case of the Cookstown player is one of the most cowardly and despicable I have ever seen and no amount of whataboutery can justify it. He came in from a very sleeked angle and spat at Galvin and scurried off like the coward he is. Mugsy has made a pathetic attempt to deflect from this incident when he would have been better off keeping his counsel and letting things take their natural course. Spitting can be a reaction when someone is in your face but in these circumstances there was no confrontation, he ran past and cowardly spat in a man's face and that is indefensible.
Well said (for a Cross man).
That is fair enough Nally,you're right that Mulligan's timing is wrong. However,if you look at the nature of the incident. The guy who spat at Galvin came from behind him and made the conscious effort to spit on him. To me that is not a reactionary act from being abused verbally. It was a conscious act that had a certain level of pre-meditation in it. Mulligan should have said nothing, I know that if a team mate of mine did that, no matter what the circumstances, I would find it hard to back him. It is hard not to back your own but if it is right to say nothing then you should say nothing.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on March 12, 2013, 01:27:10 PM
That is fair enough Nally,you're right that Mulligan's timing is wrong. However,if you look at the nature of the incident. The guy who spat at Galvin came from behind him and made the conscious effort to spit on him. To me that is not a reactionary act from being abused verbally. It was a conscious act that had a certain level of pre-meditation in it. Mulligan should have said nothing, I know that if a team mate of mine did that, no matter what the circumstances, I would find it hard to back him. It is hard not to back your own but if it is right to say nothing then you should say nothing.
Again, you seem to be implying that I'm offering some sort of justification for the spitting as it being that particular players "reaction" to Galvin. I am doing no such thing. I have no more idea than anybody here as to whether the Cookstown player or Galvin were involved in the alleged sectarian abuse. My only points are that while mugsy's timing was wrong, (he should have reported it in the immediate aftermath of the game, if not during it), the allegation is remains a very serious one and should not be just ignored simply because of it's timing or because of the fact that video evidence cannot prove it. Like spitting, sectarian abuse between fellow GAA players is beneath contempt. Both allegations deserve to be investigated.
I have to agree strongly with your last line there Nally Stand however when I read the article from Mugsy this morning I thought Ahh Jaysus not this again. Can't believe he's stoked the fire.
I did not watch the match and so I don't know was there any incident between the offender and Galvin before hand. I get the feeling Mugsy is trying to insinuate that maybe Galvin had sectarianly sledged yer man and so that was his retaliation.
Whatever it was, to me spitting is just disgraceful and I think Mugsy would have been better just saying nothing as it now looks like he's almost defending the spitting action.
Had he said something after the game and then it would have all looked quite different
To me the player who spat deserves a big ban, maybe the club a fine but Mugsy should have thought what will be outcome now if he tweets that news. In his eyes maybe he thinks it somehow justifys why yer man spat on Galvin but had the discussed it with someone sensible that was removed from the game then he might not have posted anything.
Personally I am totally disgusted by some of the actions that have been happening that is giving Tyrone gaels a bad name. Yes we have more than our fair share of incident and I think the county board need to take a look at changing people's perception.
Some people seem to think such behaviour will only noticed locally and not get into the national media but with youtube, facebook and twitter nowadays a lot of stuff that might have been going on for years is getting made public.
I'm just back from a funeral in Dublin of a well known Parnells Gael and a lad starting asking me about this spitting epidemic in Tyrone.
Of course a lot of the anti Tyrone brigade (or just shit stirrers) are more than happy to pick out our incidents and turn a blind eye to many of other incidents in their own county or even club. That's the nature of these boards and of some media I suppose. However, we can only deal with our own clubs & fans and I think its about time something was said publicly about how our reputation is being dragged through the gutter again and how we need to clean up our act and when we're out and about wearing our colours we need to remember we're representing our county and to behave accordingly.
One last point I want to make to our southern readers.
If you've lived your whole live in the North, under the Union Jack and put up with all the sh*t that comes with that.
Can you understand how hard it is then to be at a GAA game, where you expect your fellow Irish Gaels to at least treat you as an equal but instead they too dismiss you as an unwanted half Irish half Brit. It is indeed a real slap in the face and makes you resent these people who you thought you had more in common with that the British.
One of the quoted players said the usual cliche that offensive behaviour should be left on the field and not made an issue of after. Why should this be? If some lowlife spits or grabs your balls or insults your girlfriend or other scummy tactics designed to get a reaction, why should the abusee be expected to just shake hands at the end and forget about it? It's a strange code peculiar to sports! I can see the advantage in that the victim just moves on with his real life instead of escalating things, but it must be hard to just walk away, and morally and ethically very conflicting!
BC1 the incident involving Curran and young Carragher was a joke, the footage of Curran when he is receiving treatment clearly showed him laughing in acknowledgement that he had gotten the lad sent off for nothing, fair play to Cross they didn't moan and complain about the incident. I never liked Curran and I hope his career dosen't end on a high after some of his previous comments regarding Tyrone GAA. Getting back to the theme of this thread, I don't see how spitting can be defended, although I would have to question why this video has ended up on Youtube and why the Kerry Club didn't pass footage of the game to the CCCC if they felt the ofending player should be punished for his conduct. I also know that Kerry people have a deep seated hatred of Tyrone people and the North in general having witnessed this behaviour on a number of occasions and most recently in Killarney at a qualifer last summer. I would have felt more comfortable at a Celtic v Rangers game at Ibrox than I actally did in Killarney that day. I also know from personal experience last year a la Dromid Pearses how Kerry teams have this holier than thou art attitude and once beaten if there have been any unsavory match incidents they will release a selective piece of footage which paints the opposition in a bad light therefore taking the gloss of their opponents win. In this process they will very conveniently ignore any footage which reflects badly on them. I can't see why Mugsy would defend his teamate I couldn't defend a few of mine after Portlaoise last year although I can see why he would perhaps try to offer some explanation as to why it happened. I heard from a few neutrals that Finuge behaved very badly on the field of play and the game statistics will show they had 2/3? men sent off and that Cookstown won. Conclusion spitting has no place in our games nor is their any place for anti-northern slagging or sore Kerry losers.
Quote from: Nally Stand on March 12, 2013, 01:42:17 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on March 12, 2013, 01:27:10 PM
That is fair enough Nally,you're right that Mulligan's timing is wrong. However,if you look at the nature of the incident. The guy who spat at Galvin came from behind him and made the conscious effort to spit on him. To me that is not a reactionary act from being abused verbally. It was a conscious act that had a certain level of pre-meditation in it. Mulligan should have said nothing, I know that if a team mate of mine did that, no matter what the circumstances, I would find it hard to back him. It is hard not to back your own but if it is right to say nothing then you should say nothing.
Again, you seem to be implying that I'm offering some sort of justification for the spitting as it being that particular players "reaction" to Galvin. I am doing no such thing. I have no more idea than anybody here as to whether the Cookstown player or Galvin were involved in the alleged sectarian abuse. My only points are that while mugsy's timing was wrong, (he should have reported it in the immediate aftermath of the game, if not during it), the allegation is remains a very serious one and should not be just ignored simply because of it's timing or because of the fact that video evidence cannot prove it. Like spitting, sectarian abuse between fellow GAA players is beneath contempt. Both allegations deserve to be investigated.
Ok Nally, you're not justifying it but Mulligan is more or less and it is that which I am referring to. I agree both allegations should be investigated and i anyone is found to be guilty of sectarian abuse then they should be dealt with accordingly.
Quote from: Boghopper on March 12, 2013, 01:58:26 PM
BC1 the incident involving Curran and young Carragher was a joke, the footage of Curran when he is receiving treatment clearly showed him laughing in acknowledgement that he had gotten the lad sent off for nothing, fair play to Cross they didn't moan and complain about the incident. I never liked Curran and I hope his career dosen't end on a high after some of his previous comments regarding Tyrone GAA. Getting back to the theme of this thread, I don't see how spitting can be defended, although I would have to question why this video has ended up on Youtube and why the Kerry Club didn't pass footage of the game to the CCCC if they felt the ofending player should be punished for his conduct. I also know that Kerry people have a deep seated hatred of Tyrone people and the North in general having witnessed this behaviour on a number of occasions and most recently in Killarney at a qualifer last summer. I would have felt more comfortable at a Celtic v Rangers game at Ibrox than I actally did in Killarney that day. I also know from personal experience last year a la Dromid Pearses how Kerry teams have this holier than thou art attitude and once beaten if there have been any unsavory match incidents they will release a selective piece of footage which paints the opposition in a bad light therefore taking the gloss of their opponents win. In this process they will very conveniently ignore any footage which reflects badly on them. I can't see why Mugsy would defend his teamate I couldn't defend a few of mine after Portlaoise last year although I can see why he would perhaps try to offer some explanation as to why it happened. I heard from a few neutrals that Finuge behaved very badly on the field of play and the game statistics will show they had 2/3? men sent off and that Cookstown won. Conclusion spitting has no place in our games nor is their any place for anti-northern slagging or sore Kerry losers.
Boghopper, I do not know what you're referring to, I simply put up a hypothetical sitaution :P I will not comment on the actual event that occured in Mullingar that day as that is not how we generally operate.
This is a load of balls lads. Anyone who spits is a bad egg, anyone who gives sectarian or racial abuse is a bad egg, anyone who kicks or tramps on a player is a bad egg. I hate to see them all on a GAA field. All need to be condemned in the same breathe whether you are coming in yella from behind or standing sneering in your opponents face it is terrible form. I think we need to be punishing anyone hard with a disrepute charge. This needs to stop, I will accept that Tyrone and Kerry have had more than their share of unsavoury incidents and the same player/s are often involved time and time again, we need to do all in our power, to ostracise those responsible. This is not furthering the GAA whatsoever. As BCB points out many of the Southern teams know how to hit the raw nerve of the Northern boys, but spitting/hitting/balltapping or whatever is still no way to react. Disgusted.
If Mulligan meant to take the heat of his team-mate it has worked! Everyone talking about him instead of the culprit. I heard lots of stories of refs in the past saying to a player "i will give you one chance to get him". The way the disciplinary process works in GAA i would say this is the best way to deal with this sort of behaviour!!!!!
Maybe it's because my mothers side are from Tyrone but I've always found the idiotic, childish calling of northerners "British" to be repugnant.
Spitting is the lowest of the low.
There are rules in the book to deal with these things but too often committees hide or are allowed to hide. There should be a citing rule introduced to eradicate this kind of sc**bag behaviour.
I'm all for physicality in football and hurling. The games are supposed to be about manliness, not t**ker carry on.
He called me a British bastard etc etc etc.
Big f**king deal.
We have got very sensitive in the Gaa. The lad who spat on Glavin would be better putting his freelance journalist skills to use and issuing an apology.
Wise up Mugsy.
Quote from: lickthem on March 12, 2013, 04:05:01 PM
He called me a British b**tard etc etc etc.
Big f**king deal.
We have got very sensitive in the Gaa. The lad who spat on Glavin would be better putting his freelance journalist skills to use and issuing an apology.
Wise up Mugsy.
What about racial abuse? is it a 'big f**king deal'?
I wonder what Mugsy meant about "comments made about Tyrone legends who have passed away"? If this is the level of verbals the Kerry lads were giving out then perhaps they should drop the holier than thou bullsh*t that always appears after they lose a game.
Quote from: hardstation on March 12, 2013, 04:32:59 PM
Some of his saliva landed on my back etc etc etc
Big f**king deal.
We have got very sensitive in the GAA.
He has no problem drinking out of the same water bottle as everyone else but yaps when some saliva lands on him.
Wise up Galvin.
I'm far from sensitive but spitting on someone is the work of a sc**bag and should not be tolerated in any sport.
Quote from: Nally Stand on March 12, 2013, 12:27:23 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on March 12, 2013, 12:22:45 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on March 12, 2013, 12:10:49 PM
Quote from: Onion Bag on March 12, 2013, 12:00:24 PM
Nally, spitting and name calling (no matter what the name it is) cannot be in the same category,
If Paul Galvin had spat on a cookstown player, would love to have heard your response,
Sectarian abuse is not just "name calling" in the same way as racist abuse is not just "name calling". Spitting, sectarian abuse and racist abuse are three actions that are well beneath contempt.
Hang on, sectarian abuse? Between two Irish, Catholic (assumption on my part), GAA players?
In 2011 when Dublin hammered Tyrone, as we were walking up Jones Rd, a crowd of Dubs behind us started singing and jeering and shouting at us to "f**k off back to England" (yes, England) and calling us "black b**tards". Stupidity is no excuse. Sectarian abuse is sectarian abuse.
Clones. 2003. Derry v Tyrone. Drawn game. I left the ground bang on the final whistle and jogged through the town to get back to the car and away out of Clones quickly. As I passed a drinking establishment on the opposite side of the road to the Creighton. Two hallions were vacating the premises. Both hallions were wearing Tyrone jerseys. Both looked like they had never seen the inside of St Tiernach's park. Upon spying me in my Derry jersey, one of the hallions roared that identical comment "f**k off back to England". Along with a few other choice words about 'British' and 'London' was mentioned as well. The rest of it was pretty incoherent. The England commment always stood out as being completely bizarre. I don't think they were being sectarian. The two hallions are from Tyrone and obviously are not well educated.
Galvin has made a statement http://www.thisispaulgalvin.com/ (http://www.thisispaulgalvin.com/)
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Further to recent YouTube footage and press reports relating to a spitting incident in last months Intermediate club final I would like to 100% confirm for the record that I was spat on during the game. Furthermore I will utterly and unequivocally distance myself from claims made regarding verbal abuse during the game. That I have to defend myself or clarify my position in this regard is as disappointing as it is wrong. I will also add that I made no comment or complaint, publicly or privately, at the time of the incident, as when the game finishes it is finished in my view and i have no interest in dragging this matter out. I am only doing so now as footage of the incident found its way into the public domain and for some reason I have been forced to confirm what I know to have happened.
Finally I would like to congratulate Cookstown on their victory. I have played in 12 All Ireland finals in both codes, winning 8, and this is one All Ireland I can live without. Tyrone football is full of men I admire greatly, men like Mickey Harte and Peter Canavan, who when I was 16 years old sought me out after a schools game against Cookstown and told me "you 'll play for your county one day son." Those words inspired me many times growing up. The path that the Kerry/Tyrone rivalry has taken of late disappoints me. Both counties are better than the bitterness and rancour that currently exists.
I will make no further comment on the matter at this point.
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Galvin has made a statement http://www.thisispaulgalvin.com/ (http://www.thisispaulgalvin.com/)
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Further to recent YouTube footage and press reports relating to a spitting incident in last months Intermediate club final I would like to 100% confirm for the record that I was spat on during the game. Furthermore I will utterly and unequivocally distance myself from claims made regarding verbal abuse during the game. That I have to defend myself or clarify my position in this regard is as disappointing as it is wrong. I will also add that I made no comment or complaint, publicly or privately, at the time of the incident, as when the game finishes it is finished in my view and i have no interest in dragging this matter out. I am only doing so now as footage of the incident found its way into the public domain and for some reason I have been forced to confirm what I know to have happened.
Finally I would like to congratulate Cookstown on their victory. I have played in 12 All Ireland finals in both codes, winning 8, and this is one All Ireland I can live without. Tyrone football is full of men I admire greatly, men like Mickey Harte and Peter Canavan, who when I was 16 years old sought me out after a schools game against Cookstown and told me "you 'll play for your county one day son." Those words inspired me many times growing up. The path that the Kerry/Tyrone rivalry has taken of late disappoints me. Both counties are better than the bitterness and rancour that currently exists.
I will make no further comment on the matter at this point.
Mulligan take note.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 12, 2013, 05:31:41 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on March 12, 2013, 05:28:10 PM
Galvin has made a statement http://www.thisispaulgalvin.com/ (http://www.thisispaulgalvin.com/)
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Further to recent YouTube footage and press reports relating to a spitting incident in last months Intermediate club final I would like to 100% confirm for the record that I was spat on during the game. Furthermore I will utterly and unequivocally distance myself from claims made regarding verbal abuse during the game. That I have to defend myself or clarify my position in this regard is as disappointing as it is wrong. I will also add that I made no comment or complaint, publicly or privately, at the time of the incident, as when the game finishes it is finished in my view and i have no interest in dragging this matter out. I am only doing so now as footage of the incident found its way into the public domain and for some reason I have been forced to confirm what I know to have happened.
Finally I would like to congratulate Cookstown on their victory. I have played in 12 All Ireland finals in both codes, winning 8, and this is one All Ireland I can live without. Tyrone football is full of men I admire greatly, men like Mickey Harte and Peter Canavan, who when I was 16 years old sought me out after a schools game against Cookstown and told me "you 'll play for your county one day son." Those words inspired me many times growing up. The path that the Kerry/Tyrone rivalry has taken of late disappoints me. Both counties are better than the bitterness and rancour that currently exists.
I will make no further comment on the matter at this point.
Mulligan take note.
Class southern style, I half expect the Tyrone Co Board to take Galvin & the GAA to court for slander! after all, under Harte, they have threatened to sue them for practically everything else. :P
Mulligan's probably had someone read that to him and explain what it means and he is probably doing his roots, fuming at being publicly humiliated again!!!
Why can't these Tyrone hoors keep the head down after tangling with kerrymen, feck me, it's like they want to be put to bed wet!
Quote from: stew on March 12, 2013, 05:39:16 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 12, 2013, 05:31:41 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on March 12, 2013, 05:28:10 PM
Galvin has made a statement http://www.thisispaulgalvin.com/ (http://www.thisispaulgalvin.com/)
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Further to recent YouTube footage and press reports relating to a spitting incident in last months Intermediate club final I would like to 100% confirm for the record that I was spat on during the game. Furthermore I will utterly and unequivocally distance myself from claims made regarding verbal abuse during the game. That I have to defend myself or clarify my position in this regard is as disappointing as it is wrong. I will also add that I made no comment or complaint, publicly or privately, at the time of the incident, as when the game finishes it is finished in my view and i have no interest in dragging this matter out. I am only doing so now as footage of the incident found its way into the public domain and for some reason I have been forced to confirm what I know to have happened.
Finally I would like to congratulate Cookstown on their victory. I have played in 12 All Ireland finals in both codes, winning 8, and this is one All Ireland I can live without. Tyrone football is full of men I admire greatly, men like Mickey Harte and Peter Canavan, who when I was 16 years old sought me out after a schools game against Cookstown and told me "you 'll play for your county one day son." Those words inspired me many times growing up. The path that the Kerry/Tyrone rivalry has taken of late disappoints me. Both counties are better than the bitterness and rancour that currently exists.
I will make no further comment on the matter at this point.
Mulligan take note.
Class southern style, I half expect the Tyrone Co Board to take Galvin & the GAA to court for slander! after all, under Harte, they have threatened to sue them for practically everything else. :P
Mulligan's probably had someone read that to him and explain what it means and he is probably doing his roots, fuming at being publicly humiliated again!!!
Why can't these Tyrone hoors keep the head down after tangling with kerrymen, feck me, it's like they want to be put to bed wet!
When did the Tyrone Co board threaten to sue the GAA? Plus that last sentence is a fine example of bollocks!
Quote from: stew on March 12, 2013, 05:39:16 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 12, 2013, 05:31:41 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on March 12, 2013, 05:28:10 PM
Galvin has made a statement http://www.thisispaulgalvin.com/ (http://www.thisispaulgalvin.com/)
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Further to recent YouTube footage and press reports relating to a spitting incident in last months Intermediate club final I would like to 100% confirm for the record that I was spat on during the game. Furthermore I will utterly and unequivocally distance myself from claims made regarding verbal abuse during the game. That I have to defend myself or clarify my position in this regard is as disappointing as it is wrong. I will also add that I made no comment or complaint, publicly or privately, at the time of the incident, as when the game finishes it is finished in my view and i have no interest in dragging this matter out. I am only doing so now as footage of the incident found its way into the public domain and for some reason I have been forced to confirm what I know to have happened.
Finally I would like to congratulate Cookstown on their victory. I have played in 12 All Ireland finals in both codes, winning 8, and this is one All Ireland I can live without. Tyrone football is full of men I admire greatly, men like Mickey Harte and Peter Canavan, who when I was 16 years old sought me out after a schools game against Cookstown and told me "you 'll play for your county one day son." Those words inspired me many times growing up. The path that the Kerry/Tyrone rivalry has taken of late disappoints me. Both counties are better than the bitterness and rancour that currently exists.
I will make no further comment on the matter at this point.
Mulligan take note.
Class southern style, I half expect the Tyrone Co Board to take Galvin & the GAA to court for slander! after all, under Harte, they have threatened to sue them for practically everything else. :P
Mulligan's probably had someone read that to him and explain what it means and he is probably doing his roots, fuming at being publicly humiliated again!!!
Why can't these Tyrone hoors keep the head down after tangling with kerrymen, feck me, it's like they want to be put to bed wet!
Says the spitter himself.
Quote from: ONeill on March 12, 2013, 05:45:59 PM
Quote from: stew on March 12, 2013, 05:39:16 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 12, 2013, 05:31:41 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on March 12, 2013, 05:28:10 PM
Galvin has made a statement http://www.thisispaulgalvin.com/ (http://www.thisispaulgalvin.com/)
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Further to recent YouTube footage and press reports relating to a spitting incident in last months Intermediate club final I would like to 100% confirm for the record that I was spat on during the game. Furthermore I will utterly and unequivocally distance myself from claims made regarding verbal abuse during the game. That I have to defend myself or clarify my position in this regard is as disappointing as it is wrong. I will also add that I made no comment or complaint, publicly or privately, at the time of the incident, as when the game finishes it is finished in my view and i have no interest in dragging this matter out. I am only doing so now as footage of the incident found its way into the public domain and for some reason I have been forced to confirm what I know to have happened.
Finally I would like to congratulate Cookstown on their victory. I have played in 12 All Ireland finals in both codes, winning 8, and this is one All Ireland I can live without. Tyrone football is full of men I admire greatly, men like Mickey Harte and Peter Canavan, who when I was 16 years old sought me out after a schools game against Cookstown and told me "you 'll play for your county one day son." Those words inspired me many times growing up. The path that the Kerry/Tyrone rivalry has taken of late disappoints me. Both counties are better than the bitterness and rancour that currently exists.
I will make no further comment on the matter at this point.
Mulligan take note.
Class southern style, I half expect the Tyrone Co Board to take Galvin & the GAA to court for slander! after all, under Harte, they have threatened to sue them for practically everything else. :P
Mulligan's probably had someone read that to him and explain what it means and he is probably doing his roots, fuming at being publicly humiliated again!!!
Why can't these Tyrone hoors keep the head down after tangling with kerrymen, feck me, it's like they want to be put to bed wet!
Says the spitter himself.
Ah shane.........................I would have bet the farm you wouldn't have been the one to bite first. :)
I was 19 or 20 at the time when I did that, does not excuse it, I had already been tripped by their supporters that lined the bank and I made a mistake, fcuk, youse boys on here must be fecking angels! ::)
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on March 12, 2013, 12:54:04 PM
Nally, 'sectarian' abuse has been happening for years. It is wrong and should be eradicated but it won't as it is impossible to police. When,for example,a lunatic of a goalkeeper were to run from his goal and whisper in your ear after his team scores the winning goal, 'f**k off back to the black north now ye Orange b**tard,' that is wrong but the umpires won't see or hear anything wrong until such times as the said fictitious goalie takes a huge fall as if he's been shot and the umpires or linesmen will see that and maybe even the lash of an elbow in retaliation to the comment. In this made-up and completely non-factual scenario the ref can only send off the young player who has retaliated and not the experienced former county goalkeeper who has taken a dive. It would be wrong,in this fictional scenario, for the young player to spit in his face and it would also be wrong to strike out but of the two evils the belt in the gob is by far the more 'respectful' and 'manly' response to this type of sectarian sledging.
That's the actions of a drunk clown.
Can't believe Mulligan has come out with what he has, makes the incident worse if anything. Fair play to Galvin for holding his counsel till now, not sure if I'd have that composure.
The Kerry lads have handled themselves with admirable dignity.
The spitting incident is bad enough, the nonsense Mulligan has come out just puts a tin hat on it.
Fair play to Galvin.
Tyrone people taking offense at been called British xxx etc etc, but had no problem giving Derry supporters stick with there's no London in Tyrone. Londonderry, the name itself signifies British in unionist eyes, yet Tyrone have no problem giving it large to Derry people but take offense that some southern teams call them British, go figure.
If there was sectarian abuse, is it right to term the allegations as "nonsense" and to lambast a player for making an (albeit poorly timed) complaint about it? Again, as far as I am concerned, whatever about the timing, allegations of spitting and allegations of sectarian abuse deserve to be be treated equally seriously. If there was sectarian abuse, then it's not just Galvin who "held his counsel" remarkably well til now.
The use of the word 'sectarian' in this context is beyond ridiculous.
Quote from: Jinxy on March 12, 2013, 06:17:51 PM
The use of the word 'sectarian' in this context is beyond ridiculous.
How do you know?
Quote from: stew on March 12, 2013, 05:50:42 PM
Quote from: ONeill on March 12, 2013, 05:45:59 PM
Quote from: stew on March 12, 2013, 05:39:16 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 12, 2013, 05:31:41 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on March 12, 2013, 05:28:10 PM
Galvin has made a statement http://www.thisispaulgalvin.com/ (http://www.thisispaulgalvin.com/)
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Further to recent YouTube footage and press reports relating to a spitting incident in last months Intermediate club final I would like to 100% confirm for the record that I was spat on during the game. Furthermore I will utterly and unequivocally distance myself from claims made regarding verbal abuse during the game. That I have to defend myself or clarify my position in this regard is as disappointing as it is wrong. I will also add that I made no comment or complaint, publicly or privately, at the time of the incident, as when the game finishes it is finished in my view and i have no interest in dragging this matter out. I am only doing so now as footage of the incident found its way into the public domain and for some reason I have been forced to confirm what I know to have happened.
Finally I would like to congratulate Cookstown on their victory. I have played in 12 All Ireland finals in both codes, winning 8, and this is one All Ireland I can live without. Tyrone football is full of men I admire greatly, men like Mickey Harte and Peter Canavan, who when I was 16 years old sought me out after a schools game against Cookstown and told me "you 'll play for your county one day son." Those words inspired me many times growing up. The path that the Kerry/Tyrone rivalry has taken of late disappoints me. Both counties are better than the bitterness and rancour that currently exists.
I will make no further comment on the matter at this point.
Mulligan take note.
Class southern style, I half expect the Tyrone Co Board to take Galvin & the GAA to court for slander! after all, under Harte, they have threatened to sue them for practically everything else. :P
Mulligan's probably had someone read that to him and explain what it means and he is probably doing his roots, fuming at being publicly humiliated again!!!
Why can't these Tyrone hoors keep the head down after tangling with kerrymen, feck me, it's like they want to be put to bed wet!
Says the spitter himself.
Ah shane.........................I would have bet the farm you wouldn't have been the one to bite first. :)
I was 19 or 20 at the time when I did that, does not excuse it, I had already been tripped by their supporters that lined the bank and I made a mistake, fcuk, youse boys on here must be fecking angels! ::)
Listen spitter Stew, it must be in you. Devil's work.
one nancyboy spits on another nancyboy. what has become of gaelic football?
Quote from: ONeill on March 12, 2013, 06:29:55 PM
Quote from: stew on March 12, 2013, 05:50:42 PM
Quote from: ONeill on March 12, 2013, 05:45:59 PM
Quote from: stew on March 12, 2013, 05:39:16 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 12, 2013, 05:31:41 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on March 12, 2013, 05:28:10 PM
Galvin has made a statement http://www.thisispaulgalvin.com/ (http://www.thisispaulgalvin.com/)
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Further to recent YouTube footage and press reports relating to a spitting incident in last months Intermediate club final I would like to 100% confirm for the record that I was spat on during the game. Furthermore I will utterly and unequivocally distance myself from claims made regarding verbal abuse during the game. That I have to defend myself or clarify my position in this regard is as disappointing as it is wrong. I will also add that I made no comment or complaint, publicly or privately, at the time of the incident, as when the game finishes it is finished in my view and i have no interest in dragging this matter out. I am only doing so now as footage of the incident found its way into the public domain and for some reason I have been forced to confirm what I know to have happened.
Finally I would like to congratulate Cookstown on their victory. I have played in 12 All Ireland finals in both codes, winning 8, and this is one All Ireland I can live without. Tyrone football is full of men I admire greatly, men like Mickey Harte and Peter Canavan, who when I was 16 years old sought me out after a schools game against Cookstown and told me "you 'll play for your county one day son." Those words inspired me many times growing up. The path that the Kerry/Tyrone rivalry has taken of late disappoints me. Both counties are better than the bitterness and rancour that currently exists.
I will make no further comment on the matter at this point.
Mulligan take note.
Class southern style, I half expect the Tyrone Co Board to take Galvin & the GAA to court for slander! after all, under Harte, they have threatened to sue them for practically everything else. :P
Mulligan's probably had someone read that to him and explain what it means and he is probably doing his roots, fuming at being publicly humiliated again!!!
Why can't these Tyrone hoors keep the head down after tangling with kerrymen, feck me, it's like they want to be put to bed wet!
Says the spitter himself.
Ah shane.........................I would have bet the farm you wouldn't have been the one to bite first. :)
I was 19 or 20 at the time when I did that, does not excuse it, I had already been tripped by their supporters that lined the bank and I made a mistake, fcuk, youse boys on here must be fecking angels! ::)
Listen spitter Stew, it must be in you. Devil's work.
What am I listening for Shane? ;)
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I'm far from sensitive but spitting on someone is the work of a sc**bag and should not be tolerated in any sport.
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I'd rather someone spat on me than wrap a hurl 'round my napper all the same.
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+1
A few lads gettin a bit carried away here, there a lot worse can happen than being spat on
Quote from: Jinxy on March 12, 2013, 06:17:51 PM
The use of the word 'sectarian' in this context is beyond ridiculous.
+1
If this is sectarianism then my 18 months playing football up north was wall to wall sectarian abuse, from Catholics calling me a 'Fenian Bastard'. I just laughed at the ridiculousness of it, but now thanks to Nally I am thinking of seeking compensation. Who do I write to?
Quote from: muppet on March 12, 2013, 07:37:19 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on March 12, 2013, 06:17:51 PM
The use of the word 'sectarian' in this context is beyond ridiculous.
+1
If this is sectarianism then my 18 months playing football up north was wall to wall sectarian abuse, from Catholics calling me a 'Fenian b**tard'. I just laughed at the ridiculousness of it, but now thanks to Nally I am thinking of seeking compensation. Who do I write to?
Aye I suppose you're right as always. Sure it's only a bit of casual sectarianism. Never hurt anybody I'm sure.
Quote from: Nally Stand on March 12, 2013, 07:49:11 PM
Quote from: muppet on March 12, 2013, 07:37:19 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on March 12, 2013, 06:17:51 PM
The use of the word 'sectarian' in this context is beyond ridiculous.
+1
If this is sectarianism then my 18 months playing football up north was wall to wall sectarian abuse, from Catholics calling me a 'Fenian b**tard'. I just laughed at the ridiculousness of it, but now thanks to Nally I am thinking of seeking compensation. Who do I write to?
Aye I suppose you're right as always. Sure it's only a bit of casual sectarianism. Never hurt anybody I'm sure.
Nope, it is ignorant and should be punished by refs and other officials.
However sectarianism it isn't imho. And it is down the list from spitting.
Quote from: muppet on March 12, 2013, 08:22:16 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on March 12, 2013, 07:49:11 PM
Quote from: muppet on March 12, 2013, 07:37:19 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on March 12, 2013, 06:17:51 PM
The use of the word 'sectarian' in this context is beyond ridiculous.
+1
If this is sectarianism then my 18 months playing football up north was wall to wall sectarian abuse, from Catholics calling me a 'Fenian b**tard'. I just laughed at the ridiculousness of it, but now thanks to Nally I am thinking of seeking compensation. Who do I write to?
Aye I suppose you're right as always. Sure it's only a bit of casual sectarianism. Never hurt anybody I'm sure.
However sectarianism it isn't imho. And it down the list from spitting.
Finally some sense.
Quote from: muppet on March 12, 2013, 08:22:16 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on March 12, 2013, 07:49:11 PM
Quote from: muppet on March 12, 2013, 07:37:19 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on March 12, 2013, 06:17:51 PM
The use of the word 'sectarian' in this context is beyond ridiculous.
+1
If this is sectarianism then my 18 months playing football up north was wall to wall sectarian abuse, from Catholics calling me a 'Fenian b**tard'. I just laughed at the ridiculousness of it, but now thanks to Nally I am thinking of seeking compensation. Who do I write to?
Aye I suppose you're right as always. Sure it's only a bit of casual sectarianism. Never hurt anybody I'm sure.
Nope, it is ignorant and should be punished by refs and other officials.
However sectarianism it isn't imho. And it is down the list from spitting.
And how do you know?
Quote from: Nally Stand on March 12, 2013, 07:49:11 PM
Quote from: muppet on March 12, 2013, 07:37:19 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on March 12, 2013, 06:17:51 PM
The use of the word 'sectarian' in this context is beyond ridiculous.
+1
If this is sectarianism then my 18 months playing football up north was wall to wall sectarian abuse, from Catholics calling me a 'Fenian b**tard'. I just laughed at the ridiculousness of it, but now thanks to Nally I am thinking of seeking compensation. Who do I write to?
Aye I suppose you're right as always. Sure it's only a bit of casual sectarianism. Never hurt anybody I'm sure.
You can repeat it as often as you like, I'm not getting any real sense of genuine outrage from you.
You should stop this silliness.
Quote from: Nally Stand on March 12, 2013, 08:40:18 PM
Quote from: muppet on March 12, 2013, 08:22:16 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on March 12, 2013, 07:49:11 PM
Quote from: muppet on March 12, 2013, 07:37:19 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on March 12, 2013, 06:17:51 PM
The use of the word 'sectarian' in this context is beyond ridiculous.
+1
If this is sectarianism then my 18 months playing football up north was wall to wall sectarian abuse, from Catholics calling me a 'Fenian b**tard'. I just laughed at the ridiculousness of it, but now thanks to Nally I am thinking of seeking compensation. Who do I write to?
Aye I suppose you're right as always. Sure it's only a bit of casual sectarianism. Never hurt anybody I'm sure.
Nope, it is ignorant and should be punished by refs and other officials.
However sectarianism it isn't imho. And it is down the list from spitting.
And how do you know?
Oh dear, did I forget to ask could I have an opinion?
Wonder what Galvin did to provoke such a scummy act?
Quote from: Nally Stand on March 12, 2013, 08:40:18 PM
Quote from: muppet on March 12, 2013, 08:22:16 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on March 12, 2013, 07:49:11 PM
Quote from: muppet on March 12, 2013, 07:37:19 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on March 12, 2013, 06:17:51 PM
The use of the word 'sectarian' in this context is beyond ridiculous.
+1
If this is sectarianism then my 18 months playing football up north was wall to wall sectarian abuse, from Catholics calling me a 'Fenian b**tard'. I just laughed at the ridiculousness of it, but now thanks to Nally I am thinking of seeking compensation. Who do I write to?
Aye I suppose you're right as always. Sure it's only a bit of casual sectarianism. Never hurt anybody I'm sure.
Nope, it is ignorant and should be punished by refs and other officials.
However sectarianism it isn't imho. And it is down the list from spitting.
And how do you know?
I have to agree with Muppet, it's difficult to call it sectarianism when both guys come from the same 'sect'.
Out of curiousity, and maybe this belongs in the general section, can you be sectarian to an atheist?
That's the thing. Verbals mean nothing to me. They're just words aimed to wind you up. Someone spits on you - different matter to me.
Quote from: EC Unique on March 12, 2013, 09:12:26 PM
Wonder what Galvin did to provoke such a scummy act?
whether paul galvin did or did not say something is pure speculation. But he has risen in my estimation by his statement .
Quote from: muppet on March 12, 2013, 08:59:49 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on March 12, 2013, 08:40:18 PM
Quote from: muppet on March 12, 2013, 08:22:16 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on March 12, 2013, 07:49:11 PM
Quote from: muppet on March 12, 2013, 07:37:19 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on March 12, 2013, 06:17:51 PM
The use of the word 'sectarian' in this context is beyond ridiculous.
+1
If this is sectarianism then my 18 months playing football up north was wall to wall sectarian abuse, from Catholics calling me a 'Fenian b**tard'. I just laughed at the ridiculousness of it, but now thanks to Nally I am thinking of seeking compensation. Who do I write to?
Aye I suppose you're right as always. Sure it's only a bit of casual sectarianism. Never hurt anybody I'm sure.
Nope, it is ignorant and should be punished by refs and other officials.
However sectarianism it isn't imho. And it is down the list from spitting.
And how do you know?
Oh dear, did I forget to ask could I have an opinion?
No, you just forgot to answer my question.
Quote from: cluaineois on March 12, 2013, 09:35:12 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on March 12, 2013, 09:12:26 PM
Wonder what Galvin did to provoke such a scummy act?
whether paul galvin did or did not say something is pure speculation. But he has risen in my estimation by his statement .
Yes he has handled it well.
I wonder who released the video?
Quote from: Nally Stand on March 12, 2013, 09:36:06 PM
Quote from: muppet on March 12, 2013, 08:59:49 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on March 12, 2013, 08:40:18 PM
Quote from: muppet on March 12, 2013, 08:22:16 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on March 12, 2013, 07:49:11 PM
Quote from: muppet on March 12, 2013, 07:37:19 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on March 12, 2013, 06:17:51 PM
The use of the word 'sectarian' in this context is beyond ridiculous.
+1
If this is sectarianism then my 18 months playing football up north was wall to wall sectarian abuse, from Catholics calling me a 'Fenian b**tard'. I just laughed at the ridiculousness of it, but now thanks to Nally I am thinking of seeking compensation. Who do I write to?
Aye I suppose you're right as always. Sure it's only a bit of casual sectarianism. Never hurt anybody I'm sure.
Nope, it is ignorant and should be punished by refs and other officials.
However sectarianism it isn't imho. And it is down the list from spitting.
And how do you know?
Oh dear, did I forget to ask could I have an opinion?
No, you just forgot to answer my question.
Am I not allowed to answer sarcasm with rhetorical sarcasm?
Compare Mugsy's and Galvin's responses. The bleached one is a wee bit out of his depth on this one.
Ryan mc manaman was on off the ball this evening! He reckoned it was a storm in a teacup! Terrible attitude from him! He would be the first to deck someone if it was done to himself !
Quote from: muppet on March 12, 2013, 09:40:14 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on March 12, 2013, 09:36:06 PM
Quote from: muppet on March 12, 2013, 08:59:49 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on March 12, 2013, 08:40:18 PM
Quote from: muppet on March 12, 2013, 08:22:16 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on March 12, 2013, 07:49:11 PM
Quote from: muppet on March 12, 2013, 07:37:19 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on March 12, 2013, 06:17:51 PM
The use of the word 'sectarian' in this context is beyond ridiculous.
+1
If this is sectarianism then my 18 months playing football up north was wall to wall sectarian abuse, from Catholics calling me a 'Fenian b**tard'. I just laughed at the ridiculousness of it, but now thanks to Nally I am thinking of seeking compensation. Who do I write to?
Aye I suppose you're right as always. Sure it's only a bit of casual sectarianism. Never hurt anybody I'm sure.
Nope, it is ignorant and should be punished by refs and other officials.
However sectarianism it isn't imho. And it is down the list from spitting.
And how do you know?
Oh dear, did I forget to ask could I have an opinion?
No, you just forgot to answer my question.
Am I not allowed to answer sarcasm with rhetorical sarcasm?
It wasn't sarcasm, I was asking how you know there was no sectarian comments.
They're in the same sect Nally.
How many times do you need to be told this.
By the way what the feck is it with the GAA, things just happens in fads. This months is spitting. Last month it was sledging. It seems these incidents become the rage and then they are over and onto something new in no time at all. I expect the next big problems in the GAA to be tatoos;
QuoteI expect the next big problems in the GAA to be tatoos
Well Mugsy and Galvin have that nailed down as well
Quote from: Jinxy on March 12, 2013, 09:52:34 PM
They're in the same sect Nally.
How many times do you need to be told this.
I'm the same sect as the Dublin fans who jeered at us outside Croke Park after the All-Ireland semi, to fcuk off back to England and that we were black b*****ds. They are clueless but their remarks were still sectarian, directed at the us as a group of 'nordies' who were therefor "black b*****ds". Deny it all you want. Such comments are sectarian.
Quote from: Nally Stand on March 12, 2013, 10:01:54 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on March 12, 2013, 09:52:34 PM
They're in the same sect Nally.
How many times do you need to be told this.
I'm the same sect as the Dublin fans who jeered at us outside Croke Park after the All-Ireland semi, to fcuk off back to England and that we were black b*****ds. They are clueless but their remarks were still sectarian, directed at the us as a group of 'nordies' who were therefor "black b*****ds". Deny it all you want. Such comments are sectarian.
They are as idiotic as a black person calling another blalck person a 'nigger' or a Traveller calling a fellow member of his community a 'kn**ker'. It happens, it is absurd and ignorant, but it is not sectarian or racist.
Quote from: muppet on March 12, 2013, 10:05:00 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on March 12, 2013, 10:01:54 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on March 12, 2013, 09:52:34 PM
They're in the same sect Nally.
How many times do you need to be told this.
I'm the same sect as the Dublin fans who jeered at us outside Croke Park after the All-Ireland semi, to fcuk off back to England and that we were black b*****ds. They are clueless but their remarks were still sectarian, directed at the us as a group of 'nordies' who were therefor "black b*****ds". Deny it all you want. Such comments are sectarian.
They are as idiotic as a black person calling another blalck person a 'nigger' or a Traveller calling a fellow member of his community a 'kn**ker'. It happens, it is absurd and ignorant, but it is not sectarian or racist.
I'd add partitionist to absurd and ignorant but +1
If someone (however stupidly) believes that s/he belongs to a particular 'sect', and s/he throws vitriol at someone else in the belief (however moronically) that that other person is of a different 'sect', then that's sectarian, by definition. It's the intention, not the reality, that's the key.
Quote from: muppet on March 12, 2013, 10:05:00 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on March 12, 2013, 10:01:54 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on March 12, 2013, 09:52:34 PM
They're in the same sect Nally.
How many times do you need to be told this.
I'm the same sect as the Dublin fans who jeered at us outside Croke Park after the All-Ireland semi, to fcuk off back to England and that we were black b*****ds. They are clueless but their remarks were still sectarian, directed at the us as a group of 'nordies' who were therefor "black b*****ds". Deny it all you want. Such comments are sectarian.
They are as idiotic as a black person calling another blalck person a 'nigger' or a Traveller calling a fellow member of his community a 'kn**ker'. It happens, it is absurd and ignorant, but it is not sectarian or racist.
"Nigger" is a racist comment no matter who says it to whom with the intent of insulting. Ditto with sectarian remarks. People in the south abusing people from the north by generalizing and terming them all as being "black b*****ds" is sectarian. It's not that complicated.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 12, 2013, 10:08:26 PM
If someone (however stupidly) believes that s/he belongs to a particular 'sect', and s/he throws vitriol at someone else in the belief (however moronically) that that other person is of a different 'sect', then that's sectarian, by definition. It's the intention, not the reality, that's the key.
So a man can be guilty of sectarianism against his twin?
I'm sorry for bringing this up again, but am I missing something, Mugsy said in his twitter statement that comments were made about Tyrone legends that had passed away. Just for clarification, where does this rank in the moral compass of scumminess that is judged on this board?
Quote from: muppet on March 12, 2013, 10:13:59 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 12, 2013, 10:08:26 PM
If someone (however stupidly) believes that s/he belongs to a particular 'sect', and s/he throws vitriol at someone else in the belief (however moronically) that that other person is of a different 'sect', then that's sectarian, by definition. It's the intention, not the reality, that's the key.
So a man can be guilty of sectarianism against his twin?
If he's particularly dense, deluded, or demented, and doesn't actually realise that he has a twin. You can't change the definition, however much you'd like to wish it away.
Spitting is unforgivable and I have sympathy for Galvin or indeed any player who has been spat on, although I would question the motive of releasing this 30 second clip other than to take the gloss off Cookstown's fantastic win! If Galvin or Finuge were truly upset at what happened then why haven't they made a complaint via the appropriate channel the CCCC.
Is there any footage on youtube of the alleged bully boy tactics employed by Finuge which ended up in Finuge getting men sent for the early shower? I'm not a gambler but I'd say there isn't.
In hindsight I know what Eoin Mulligan was attempting to do although being called a British CKDT, black B or making comments about those deceased is very unsavory and I don't doubt the Finuge boys engaged in the behaviour alleged by Eoin although that is only an explanation for the lad who spat at Galvin's actions but it certainly isn't an excuse and if I were him I'd feel pretty sick.
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 12, 2013, 10:15:58 PM
I'm sorry for bringing this up again, but am I missing something, Mugsy said in his twitter statement that comments were made about Tyrone legends that had passed away. Just for clarification, where does this rank in the moral compass of scumminess that is judged on this board?
It's as low as it gets.
If you believe him.
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 12, 2013, 10:15:58 PM
I'm sorry for bringing this up again, but am I missing something, Mugsy said in his twitter statement that comments were made about Tyrone legends that had passed away. Just for clarification, where does this rank in the moral compass of scumminess that is judged on this board?
No evidence of this. If it was true then it is poor enough form but if you were that vexed about it you'd nail the boy, not gob on him whilst running past him, like a coward.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 12, 2013, 10:41:05 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 12, 2013, 10:15:58 PM
I'm sorry for bringing this up again, but am I missing something, Mugsy said in his twitter statement that comments were made about Tyrone legends that had passed away. Just for clarification, where does this rank in the moral compass of scumminess that is judged on this board?
No evidence of this. If it was true then it is poor enough form but if you were that vexed about it you'd nail the boy, not gob on him whilst running past him, like a coward.
Fair enough, but I can't imagine that Mulligan would just make this up out of the blue? If this is true and is reflective of the depth of vile that was floating around that game and as players you choose to make those comments, then as a team you can't take the moral high ground when one scummy act is met by another scummy act.
F*cking hell, i thought this had all blown over!.... sometimes we do ourselves no favours in the GAA with all this stuff do we?
I'm obviously not totally neutral on this being a Kerryman (North Kerry at that), but my views on all this stuff are as follows:
Cookstown were by far the better team on the night and were deserved victors. Finuge lost their discipline badly and the 2 Corridans were red carded deservedly.
-Footage emerges (posted by a finuge man on youtube) a month later of Galvin being spat on by a Cookstown sub. If this appeared in the week after the game I would say it was somewhat down to sour grapes, but this doesn't appear to be case. In my view the Cookstown player who spat at another player should be given a hefty ban.
- Owen Mulligan comes out defending his team mate, but from what I can see doesn't deny that he spat at all? He further accuses Finuge of "sectarian abuse" and goes on to say some of it mentioned Tyrone GAA people who have passed away.
Firstly, I don't see how Owen can defend anyone spitting on another player. It's indefensible in my eyes.
Secondly, if there was abuse of the Cookstown players along the lines of "British b*stards.." etc, that is not right and I would have no problem with Finuge or any other team being reprimanded for that as I don't agree with it....however, that is NO excuse for such a scummy act as spitting on someone.
IF the accusations of jibes about people who have passed away are true, then that is disgusting behaviour also. Again, whoever made comments like that should be reported and banned, fined or whatever...I know Finuge and the players quite well and while most of them are ok, there are a few edgy characters amongst them also shall we say, so I wouldn't be surprised if a few comments were made.
"Sledging" has become a part of modern sport unfortunately and comments such as "free-state b*stard" or "british b*stard" etc, are so common now as to be almost expected..this saddens me greatly, but you can rise above that stuff. Taking the piss out of people who have died is another matter entirely and is not acceptable.
Galvin is no paragon of virtue by any stretch of the imagination, but he has conducted himself pretty well in this matter IMO and I agree totally with him that this build up of Kerry v Tyrone shit is doing nobody any favours. I think it would be fair to say that there are some Tyrone players who have conducted themselves in a less than classy fashion on a few occasions in games against Kerry teams, while its also fair to say that there are some people in Kerry who think Tyrone = Blanket defence and skullduggery, which is obviously totally narrow minded...the thing about idiots is that they are everywhere unfortunately!
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on March 12, 2013, 11:15:51 PM
F*cking hell, i thought this had all blown over!.... sometimes we do ourselves no favours in the GAA with all this stuff do we?
I'm obviously not totally neutral on this being a Kerryman (North Kerry at that), but my views on all this stuff are as follows:
Cookstown were by far the better team on the night and were deserved victors. Finuge lost their discipline badly and the 2 Corridans were red carded deservedly.
-Footage emerges (posted by a finuge man on youtube) a month later of Galvin being spat on by a Cookstown sub. If this appeared in the week after the game I would say it was somewhat down to sour grapes, but this doesn't appear to be case. In my view the Cookstown player who spat at another player should be given a hefty ban.
- Owen Mulligan comes out defending his team mate, but from what I can see doesn't deny that he spat at all? He further accuses Finuge of "sectarian abuse" and goes on to say some of it mentioned Tyrone GAA people who have passed away.
Firstly, I don't see how Owen can defend anyone spitting on another player. It's indefensible in my eyes.
Secondly, if there was abuse of the Cookstown players along the lines of "British b*stards.." etc, that is not right and I would have no problem with Finuge or any other team being reprimanded for that as I don't agree with it....however, that is NO excuse for such a scummy act as spitting on someone.
IF the accusations of jibes about people who have passed away are true, then that is disgusting behaviour also. Again, whoever made comments like that should be reported and banned, fined or whatever...I know Finuge and the players quite well and while most of them are ok, there are a few edgy characters amongst them also shall we say, so I wouldn't be surprised if a few comments were made.
"Sledging" has become a part of modern sport unfortunately and comments such as "free-state b*stard" or "british b*stard" etc, are so common now as to be almost expected..this saddens me greatly, but you can rise above that stuff. Taking the piss out of people who have died is another matter entirely and is not acceptable.
Galvin is no paragon of virtue by any stretch of the imagination, but he has conducted himself pretty well in this matter IMO and I agree totally with him that this build up of Kerry v Tyrone shit is doing nobody any favours. I think it would be fair to say that there are some Tyrone players who have conducted themselves in a less than classy fashion on a few occasions in games against Kerry teams, while its also fair to say that there are some people in Kerry who think Tyrone = Blanket defence and skullduggery, which is obviously totally narrow minded...the thing about idiots is that they are everywhere unfortunately!
Can't disagree with any of that.
New forms of media & increased exposure has given the idiots a stronger voice & their actions either on pitch or in stand no longer brushed under carpets. The Riceys & Declan o'sullivans have become too common place in our games- not good example for the younger generations. Oh for the Maurice Fitzgeralds of this world.
It would be a manly thing to do if anyone involved in any inappropriate behaviour on the field apologised publicly. That's the example you need to set the youngsters. Don't attempt to brush it under the carpet with whattaboutery just because you're best mates.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 11, 2013, 06:30:27 PM
For all Ricey's miraculous powers, parabolic spitting was not among them.
Just a story on said subject. A few years back at a club game between ourselves and dromore a roar went up in the crowd and off the ball ricey was lying 'busted' on the ground with one if our players standing over him. Ref went into umpire he had brought with him and whilst our own umpire was in the other post he listened in, conversation:
Ref: what happened?
Umpire: 11 punched 6 in the mouth after 6 had spat in his face
Ref: (runs out the field and shouts) play on
Proper order!!!
Back to the main thing I have time for mugsy and I would hate to think the Kerry lads were goin over that kind of thing but I can't help but think He may be telling fibs to help out his besty on the cookstown team - would he have done it for some of the other players???
Wonder what the views are on this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-8iBGnQ9Ig
The area I come from would be considered a bit scummy, so ive endured some terrible abuse over the years. All that said, I doubt d verbals I put up with are anything like d only thing I ever got sent off 4. I boxed the head off a wee pup for a spit into my face. I was dragged off him. Its all bout opinions, but for me, spittin into the face is scum of d earth. Nuttin lower. Life bans are d order of d day.
Quote from: TY14ED on March 12, 2013, 11:30:30 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on March 12, 2013, 11:15:51 PM
F*cking hell, i thought this had all blown over!.... sometimes we do ourselves no favours in the GAA with all this stuff do we?
I'm obviously not totally neutral on this being a Kerryman (North Kerry at that), but my views on all this stuff are as follows:
Cookstown were by far the better team on the night and were deserved victors. Finuge lost their discipline badly and the 2 Corridans were red carded deservedly.
-Footage emerges (posted by a finuge man on youtube) a month later of Galvin being spat on by a Cookstown sub. If this appeared in the week after the game I would say it was somewhat down to sour grapes, but this doesn't appear to be case. In my view the Cookstown player who spat at another player should be given a hefty ban.
- Owen Mulligan comes out defending his team mate, but from what I can see doesn't deny that he spat at all? He further accuses Finuge of "sectarian abuse" and goes on to say some of it mentioned Tyrone GAA people who have passed away.
Firstly, I don't see how Owen can defend anyone spitting on another player. It's indefensible in my eyes.
Secondly, if there was abuse of the Cookstown players along the lines of "British b*stards.." etc, that is not right and I would have no problem with Finuge or any other team being reprimanded for that as I don't agree with it....however, that is NO excuse for such a scummy act as spitting on someone.
IF the accusations of jibes about people who have passed away are true, then that is disgusting behaviour also. Again, whoever made comments like that should be reported and banned, fined or whatever...I know Finuge and the players quite well and while most of them are ok, there are a few edgy characters amongst them also shall we say, so I wouldn't be surprised if a few comments were made.
"Sledging" has become a part of modern sport unfortunately and comments such as "free-state b*stard" or "british b*stard" etc, are so common now as to be almost expected..this saddens me greatly, but you can rise above that stuff. Taking the piss out of people who have died is another matter entirely and is not acceptable.
Galvin is no paragon of virtue by any stretch of the imagination, but he has conducted himself pretty well in this matter IMO and I agree totally with him that this build up of Kerry v Tyrone shit is doing nobody any favours. I think it would be fair to say that there are some Tyrone players who have conducted themselves in a less than classy fashion on a few occasions in games against Kerry teams, while its also fair to say that there are some people in Kerry who think Tyrone = Blanket defence and skullduggery, which is obviously totally narrow minded...the thing about idiots is that they are everywhere unfortunately!
Can't disagree with any of that.
New forms of media & increased exposure has given the idiots a stronger voice & their actions either on pitch or in stand no longer brushed under carpets. The Riceys & Declan o'sullivans have become too common place in our games- not good example for the younger generations. Oh for the Maurice Fitzgeralds of this world.
Wha?? He's no angel but I don't think Declan O'Sullivan can be held up as some sort of example of all that's wrong with the modern player. He has a short temper, and can lash out (even at physically impossible angles and trajectories) but he ships a lot of abuse and attention himself. I can think of several worse than him.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 12, 2013, 10:16:12 PM
Quote from: muppet on March 12, 2013, 10:13:59 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 12, 2013, 10:08:26 PM
If someone (however stupidly) believes that s/he belongs to a particular 'sect', and s/he throws vitriol at someone else in the belief (however moronically) that that other person is of a different 'sect', then that's sectarian, by definition. It's the intention, not the reality, that's the key.
So a man can be guilty of sectarianism against his twin?
If he's particularly dense, deluded, or demented, and doesn't actually realise that he has a twin. You can't change the definition, however much you'd like to wish it away.
I disagree with you definition which seems to suggest
intent is the only criterium.
Well then, not only is sectarianism rampant at every match, competition and duck shoot on these islands, but this board reeks of it. Every 'Shinner', 'Blue-Shirt', 'Apple-Chomper', 'Rhubarbs' etc comment here is sectarian by your definition.
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 13, 2013, 12:59:55 AM
Wonder what the views are on this?
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=9-8iBGnQ9Ig&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D9-8iBGnQ9Ig
Spitting image
Quote from: muppet on March 13, 2013, 06:04:29 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 12, 2013, 10:16:12 PM
Quote from: muppet on March 12, 2013, 10:13:59 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 12, 2013, 10:08:26 PM
If someone (however stupidly) believes that s/he belongs to a particular 'sect', and s/he throws vitriol at someone else in the belief (however moronically) that that other person is of a different 'sect', then that's sectarian, by definition. It's the intention, not the reality, that's the key.
So a man can be guilty of sectarianism against his twin?
If he's particularly dense, deluded, or demented, and doesn't actually realise that he has a twin. You can't change the definition, however much you'd like to wish it away.
I disagree with you definition which seems to suggest intent is the only criterium.
Well then, not only is sectarianism rampant at every match, competition and duck shoot on these islands, but this board reeks of it. Every 'Shinner', 'Blue-Shirt', 'Apple-Chomper', 'Rhubarbs' etc comment here is sectarian by your definition.
Intent is not the
only criterion -- perception is in the mix too. It's bigotry FFS, pure and simple, the only human 'sect' I recognise is the human race, everything else is a contrived concoction of the (fevered) mind.
Dictionary definition of sectarian:
— n
4. a member of a sect or faction, esp one who is bigoted in his adherence to its doctrines or in his intolerance towards other sects, etc Where the non-religious (or non quasi-religious) dictionary definition of a sect is:
noun..
4.
any group, party, or faction united by a specific doctrine or under a doctrinal leader.So, choose the doctrine (or faction), however ridiculous it might be, and there you have your sect.
EditFaction is there too:
noun
1.
a group or clique within a larger group, party, government, organization, or the like: a faction in favor of big business.
Youngsters these days are sooo saft. Two points:
Personally, I blame the GPA for introducing an inflated sense of entitlement to Association members.
What is it that GAA players from the South have against the British and the Orange Order?
I have played against Southern teams before and been called loads of sectarian names, didn't bother me in the slightest much in the same way as when playing a game in my own County if someone gives me stick in relation to my family or how I look. I let the person slabber on. Thats not to say that some people are more volatile and do react, and whilst you can't qualify spitting against verbals, why does it seem to be acceptable now to try and 'be the bigger person' when in situations like this? I wouldn't spit on somebody myself irrelevant of the abuse, but in that situation I don't see how anyone can condemn the spitting if the person spat at was being abusive. Verbal abuse is serious enough to land you in prison if its focused on a persons skin colour, why should it be seen as acceptable when its in other forms (mother, sister, looks, weight etc), as these contain as much hatred and offense.
On another note, this is the second time in a year that a Kerry club haven't been able to take their beating at the hand of a Tyrone club. Unbelievable how much reaction was last year after Derrytresk won, the same again this year. Incidents involving Tyrone teams seem to get a lot of publicity, yet I have heard about a lot of other incidents involving southern counties the past week that haven't been highlighted as much, such as the Emilyn Mulligan incident or stone throwing at the linesman in the Leinster U-21 Championship.
Quote from: nrico2006 on March 13, 2013, 10:02:26 AM
I have played against Southern teams before and been called loads of sectarian names, didn't bother me in the slightest much in the same way as when playing a game in my own County if someone gives me stick in relation to my family or how I look. I let the person slabber on. Thats not to say that some people are more volatile and do react, and whilst you can't qualify spitting against verbals, why does it seem to be acceptable now to try and 'be the bigger person' when in situations like this? I wouldn't spit on somebody myself irrelevant of the abuse, but in that situation I don't see how anyone can condemn the spitting if the person spat at was being abusive. Verbal abuse is serious enough to land you in prison if its focused on a persons skin colour, why should it be seen as acceptable when its in other forms (mother, sister, looks, weight etc), as these contain as much hatred and offense.
On another note, this is the second time in a year that a Kerry club haven't been able to take their beating at the hand of a Tyrone club. Unbelievable how much reaction was last year after Derrytresk won, the same again this year. Incidents involving Tyrone teams seem to get a lot of publicity, yet I have heard about a lot of other incidents involving southern counties the past week that haven't been highlighted as much, such as the Emilyn Mulligan incident or stone throwing at the linesman in the Leinster U-21 Championship.
Personally, that seems to be a worse case as it was a real blood filled gob according to Mulligan. I hadn't heard about the linesman thing, what is it?
Now the obvious question is how did the gub fill with blood?
Some types of verbals never bothered me in the slightest but I never got anything related to my family etc. I used to laugh and give a bit back. If I was as useless/fat/bald how come they hadn't touched the ball in the last 15 minutes? Used to crack some young lads up with that!
One friend of mine got horrific abuse about his sister on more than one occasion from a particular player from a neighbouring club. To this day he would hold it against the guy (who is a bit of an asshole it must be said - what he said was absolutely disgraceful). They would have played against each other a lot over the years and my buddy always gave him the treatment. Once they marked each other twice within a week (c'ship and league) and yer man was carted off both times. Not bad when you consider my mate was a corner forward! Every time I see that guy I think to myself - "you're a lowlife sc**bag".
QuoteIf I was as useless/fat/bald
I'm all three - Jesus, I'd be slaughered on a pitch!
As with a lot of stuff these days TV. computers and now smart phones are all to blame.
I'd say there are a lot more spitting incidents that go on every year than a lot of us would like to believe. I'd say there are a lot of teams at all levels have 1 or 2 lads that often play over the edge and are well capable of such disgusting behaviour but lots of times it goes unnoticed or never make the public domain.
Since more and more people have their own cameras now on their phones then a lot more incidents get noticed and made public.
We've saw it years ago in the soccer world cup where Rijkaard spat at Voller
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i111/seraphicalrage/blog/spit-voller-rijkaard.jpg)
Is there a definite rule where if a ref spots it can he send a player off?
Where is the CCCC now with incidents like this? They have stepped in loads before with other issues.
To me rules need to be changed to deal with such incidents and with sledging in general.
If an umpire sees a FF spit on a FB and he alerts the ref, I bet you he won't get sent off.
If players knew they would then it would soon stop. I hope this Cookstown lad gets a suspension now for it. Even if he was provoked, a clear message needs to be sent out like the Tyrone County board banned the fan that spat at Lacey 2 weeks ago.
I totally find it the lowest form of contempt for another human being and it says I think so little of you that I spit on you.
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 13, 2013, 11:23:32 AM
Even if he was provoked, a clear message needs to be sent out like the Tyrone County board banned the fan that spat at Lacey 2 weeks ago.
I totally find it the lowest form of contempt for another human being and it says I think so little of you that I spit on you.
Did they actually get someone for this or just talk about banning someone if he was caught?
Quote from: LeoMc on March 13, 2013, 11:29:18 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 13, 2013, 11:23:32 AM
Even if he was provoked, a clear message needs to be sent out like the Tyrone County board banned the fan that spat at Lacey 2 weeks ago.
I totally find it the lowest form of contempt for another human being and it says I think so little of you that I spit on you.
Did they actually get someone for this or just talk about banning someone if he was caught?
Sure who was this fan? How can he be banned from anywhere if no one knows who he is?
Quote from: RMDrive on March 13, 2013, 11:33:17 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on March 13, 2013, 11:29:18 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 13, 2013, 11:23:32 AM
Even if he was provoked, a clear message needs to be sent out like the Tyrone County board banned the fan that spat at Lacey 2 weeks ago.
I totally find it the lowest form of contempt for another human being and it says I think so little of you that I spit on you.
Did they actually get someone for this or just talk about banning someone if he was caught?
Sure who was this fan? How can he be banned from anywhere if no one knows who he is?
They do know who he is and they have suspended him.
Quote from: Nally Stand on March 13, 2013, 11:34:22 AM
Quote from: RMDrive on March 13, 2013, 11:33:17 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on March 13, 2013, 11:29:18 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 13, 2013, 11:23:32 AM
Even if he was provoked, a clear message needs to be sent out like the Tyrone County board banned the fan that spat at Lacey 2 weeks ago.
I totally find it the lowest form of contempt for another human being and it says I think so little of you that I spit on you.
Did they actually get someone for this or just talk about banning someone if he was caught?
Sure who was this fan? How can he be banned from anywhere if no one knows who he is?
They do know who he is and they have suspended him.
Suspended him from what? Attending games? Practically how will a suspension work if it's not known who he his?
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on March 13, 2013, 10:07:07 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on March 13, 2013, 10:02:26 AM
I have played against Southern teams before and been called loads of sectarian names, didn't bother me in the slightest much in the same way as when playing a game in my own County if someone gives me stick in relation to my family or how I look. I let the person slabber on. Thats not to say that some people are more volatile and do react, and whilst you can't qualify spitting against verbals, why does it seem to be acceptable now to try and 'be the bigger person' when in situations like this? I wouldn't spit on somebody myself irrelevant of the abuse, but in that situation I don't see how anyone can condemn the spitting if the person spat at was being abusive. Verbal abuse is serious enough to land you in prison if its focused on a persons skin colour, why should it be seen as acceptable when its in other forms (mother, sister, looks, weight etc), as these contain as much hatred and offense.
On another note, this is the second time in a year that a Kerry club haven't been able to take their beating at the hand of a Tyrone club. Unbelievable how much reaction was last year after Derrytresk won, the same again this year. Incidents involving Tyrone teams seem to get a lot of publicity, yet I have heard about a lot of other incidents involving southern counties the past week that haven't been highlighted as much, such as the Emilyn Mulligan incident or stone throwing at the linesman in the Leinster U-21 Championship.
Personally, that seems to be a worse case as it was a real blood filled gob according to Mulligan. I hadn't heard about the linesman thing, what is it?
A head the ball (you know the type, shouting at every perceived indiscretion) took umbrage at a sending off (it wasn't even a booking but that's neither here nor there). Not content with running the yard or two to the fence to vent more spleen at the linesman (Derek Fahy from Longford) he then grabbed a handful of stone chippings from the ground and threw it at his back. Think he may have showered the Wexford Maor Uisce as well. Was dragged back to the stand by his suffering wife. Last I heard he was identified to the county board.
The Mulligan (Emilyn) incident sounds worse alright, I hope one of the officials witnessed it.
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on March 13, 2013, 11:41:28 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on March 13, 2013, 10:07:07 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on March 13, 2013, 10:02:26 AM
I have played against Southern teams before and been called loads of sectarian names, didn't bother me in the slightest much in the same way as when playing a game in my own County if someone gives me stick in relation to my family or how I look. I let the person slabber on. Thats not to say that some people are more volatile and do react, and whilst you can't qualify spitting against verbals, why does it seem to be acceptable now to try and 'be the bigger person' when in situations like this? I wouldn't spit on somebody myself irrelevant of the abuse, but in that situation I don't see how anyone can condemn the spitting if the person spat at was being abusive. Verbal abuse is serious enough to land you in prison if its focused on a persons skin colour, why should it be seen as acceptable when its in other forms (mother, sister, looks, weight etc), as these contain as much hatred and offense.
On another note, this is the second time in a year that a Kerry club haven't been able to take their beating at the hand of a Tyrone club. Unbelievable how much reaction was last year after Derrytresk won, the same again this year. Incidents involving Tyrone teams seem to get a lot of publicity, yet I have heard about a lot of other incidents involving southern counties the past week that haven't been highlighted as much, such as the Emilyn Mulligan incident or stone throwing at the linesman in the Leinster U-21 Championship.
Personally, that seems to be a worse case as it was a real blood filled gob according to Mulligan. I hadn't heard about the linesman thing, what is it?
A head the ball (you know the type, shouting at every perceived indiscretion) took umbrage at a sending off (it wasn't even a booking but that's neither here nor there). Not content with running the yard or two to the fence to vent more spleen at the linesman (Derek Fahy from Longford) he then grabbed a handful of stone chippings from the ground and threw it at his back. Think he may have showered the Wexford Maor Uisce as well. Was dragged back to the stand by his suffering wife. Last I heard he was identified to the county board.
The Mulligan (Emilyn) incident sounds worse alright, I hope one of the officials witnessed it.
It was why he was sent off.
Quote from: hardstation on March 13, 2013, 08:41:23 AM
Quote from: BartSimpson on March 13, 2013, 01:01:45 AM
The area I come from would be considered a bit scummy, so ive endured some terrible abuse over the years. All that said, I doubt d verbals I put up with are anything like d only thing I ever got sent off 4. I boxed the head off a wee pup for a spit into my face. I was dragged off him. Its all bout opinions, but for me, spittin into the face is scum of d earth. Nuttin lower. Life bans are d order of d day.
People losing the run of themselves here. No doubt it is scummy but the worst act ever? Behave yourself ffs. Not that long ago a young lad got his ballbag ripped off!!
People getting their jaws broken etc etc. You can wash yer face and go to work in the morning if someone spits on ye.
I'd rather the box. Spitting is the ultimate degradation. You are treating the person with utter contempt, not even worthy of a slap or two. If you dished out a bad tackle and the player got up and dug you - you'd accept why he did that. If he got up and gobbed in your face it's a different matter.
I know what you're saying about long term effects but personally I could accept the dig. There's something humiliating about spitting.
Quote from: hardstation on March 13, 2013, 12:01:34 PM
Quote from: ONeill on March 13, 2013, 11:52:42 AM
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Quote from: BartSimpson on March 13, 2013, 01:01:45 AM
The area I come from would be considered a bit scummy, so ive endured some terrible abuse over the years. All that said, I doubt d verbals I put up with are anything like d only thing I ever got sent off 4. I boxed the head off a wee pup for a spit into my face. I was dragged off him. Its all bout opinions, but for me, spittin into the face is scum of d earth. Nuttin lower. Life bans are d order of d day.
People losing the run of themselves here. No doubt it is scummy but the worst act ever? Behave yourself ffs. Not that long ago a young lad got his ballbag ripped off!!
People getting their jaws broken etc etc. You can wash yer face and go to work in the morning if someone spits on ye.
I'd rather the box. Spitting is the ultimate degradation. You are treating the person with utter contempt, not even worthy of a slap or two. If you dished out a bad tackle and the player got up and dug you - you'd accept why he did that. If he got up and gobbed in your face it's a different matter.
I know what you're saying about long term effects but personally I could accept the dig. There's something humiliating about spitting.
You're mad. I'd rather be wiping spit off my face than choking on my teeth, never mind counting my balls.
Jeez how many do you have that you need to spend time counting them?!
Quote from: RMDrive on March 13, 2013, 11:36:12 AM
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Quote from: Fuzzman on March 13, 2013, 11:23:32 AM
Even if he was provoked, a clear message needs to be sent out like the Tyrone County board banned the fan that spat at Lacey 2 weeks ago.
I totally find it the lowest form of contempt for another human being and it says I think so little of you that I spit on you.
Did they actually get someone for this or just talk about banning someone if he was caught?
Sure who was this fan? How can he be banned from anywhere if no one knows who he is?
They do know who he is and they have suspended him.
Suspended him from what? Attending games? Practically how will a suspension work if it's not known who he his?
He was dealt with Tony Sorprano style.. http://www.hoganstand.com/Tyrone/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=187217
Quote from: RMDrive on March 13, 2013, 11:45:43 AM
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I have played against Southern teams before and been called loads of sectarian names, didn't bother me in the slightest much in the same way as when playing a game in my own County if someone gives me stick in relation to my family or how I look. I let the person slabber on. Thats not to say that some people are more volatile and do react, and whilst you can't qualify spitting against verbals, why does it seem to be acceptable now to try and 'be the bigger person' when in situations like this? I wouldn't spit on somebody myself irrelevant of the abuse, but in that situation I don't see how anyone can condemn the spitting if the person spat at was being abusive. Verbal abuse is serious enough to land you in prison if its focused on a persons skin colour, why should it be seen as acceptable when its in other forms (mother, sister, looks, weight etc), as these contain as much hatred and offense.
On another note, this is the second time in a year that a Kerry club haven't been able to take their beating at the hand of a Tyrone club. Unbelievable how much reaction was last year after Derrytresk won, the same again this year. Incidents involving Tyrone teams seem to get a lot of publicity, yet I have heard about a lot of other incidents involving southern counties the past week that haven't been highlighted as much, such as the Emilyn Mulligan incident or stone throwing at the linesman in the Leinster U-21 Championship.
Personally, that seems to be a worse case as it was a real blood filled gob according to Mulligan. I hadn't heard about the linesman thing, what is it?
A head the ball (you know the type, shouting at every perceived indiscretion) took umbrage at a sending off (it wasn't even a booking but that's neither here nor there). Not content with running the yard or two to the fence to vent more spleen at the linesman (Derek Fahy from Longford) he then grabbed a handful of stone chippings from the ground and threw it at his back. Think he may have showered the Wexford Maor Uisce as well. Was dragged back to the stand by his suffering wife. Last I heard he was identified to the county board.
The Mulligan (Emilyn) incident sounds worse alright, I hope one of the officials witnessed it.
It was why he was sent off.
Thanks, didn't know that. Should be dropped from the panel once justice has been served, send out a message from a new management.
That banned man will not be seen at a match again this year.
Quote from: RMDrive on March 13, 2013, 11:36:12 AM
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Quote from: LeoMc on March 13, 2013, 11:29:18 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 13, 2013, 11:23:32 AM
Even if he was provoked, a clear message needs to be sent out like the Tyrone County board banned the fan that spat at Lacey 2 weeks ago.
I totally find it the lowest form of contempt for another human being and it says I think so little of you that I spit on you.
Did they actually get someone for this or just talk about banning someone if he was caught?
Sure who was this fan? How can he be banned from anywhere if no one knows who he is?
They do know who he is and they have suspended him.
Suspended him from what? Attending games? Practically how will a suspension work if it's not known who he his?
But it's prob the only thing that the county board can do. They can't fine him. It would be down to the PSNI/ Garda to do anything in regards to the law. The county board are limited in what they can do. But at least highlighting and trying to punish it shows that it's unacceptable behaviour and might make people think (I know asking alot of these sort of people) twice before doing something similar.
Quote from: rrhf on March 13, 2013, 12:10:27 PM
That banned man will not be seen at a match again this year.
Why not? Who is going to stop him? How are they going to stop him?
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Quote from: rrhf on March 13, 2013, 12:10:27 PM
That banned man will not be seen at a match again this year.
Why not? Who is going to stop him? How are they going to stop him?
No, you misunderstood. He's going in disguise. A fake moustache and funny glasses.
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That banned man will not be seen at a match again this year.
Why not? Who is going to stop him? How are they going to stop him?
RMD is right. The man should be named and shamed.
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Quote from: RMDrive on March 13, 2013, 11:33:17 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on March 13, 2013, 11:29:18 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 13, 2013, 11:23:32 AM
Even if he was provoked, a clear message needs to be sent out like the Tyrone County board banned the fan that spat at Lacey 2 weeks ago.
I totally find it the lowest form of contempt for another human being and it says I think so little of you that I spit on you.
Did they actually get someone for this or just talk about banning someone if he was caught?
Sure who was this fan? How can he be banned from anywhere if no one knows who he is?
They do know who he is and they have suspended him.
Suspended him from what? Attending games? Practically how will a suspension work if it's not known who he his?
But it's prob the only thing that the county board can do. They can't fine him. It would be down to the PSNI/ Garda to do anything in regards to the law. The county board are limited in what they can do. But at least highlighting and trying to punish it shows that it's unacceptable behaviour and might make people think (I know asking alot of these sort of people) twice before doing something similar.
Yeah I agree that the CB was probably very limited in what they could do and I think they did well to react quickly on the day and to not dilly dally around before offering an apology. Karl probably has the right of it in saying that he wants to forget about it.
IMO though this "punishment" amounts to absolutely nothing. This lad, likely while surrounded by his friends, spat at a lad who was there for football only. In return his reputation is undamaged and he might have to wear a hoodie to attend games for a while. It just doesn't sit right with me. Of course, I don't have a clue what could be done instead; there are no practical options. Even naming the guy wouldn't work as there's no point making him the target for some other fool. Perhaps if he was told to go to the Four Masters club and to work for a few days around the grounds. Something like that would never work either I suppose.
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Quote from: rrhf on March 13, 2013, 12:10:27 PM
That banned man will not be seen at a match again this year.
Why not? Who is going to stop him? How are they going to stop him?
RMD is right. The man should be named and shamed.
Ah I don't think that's really a runner either. If some fool from Donegal boxed him some night, that would be far worse for all concerned.
I guess Cross have been saving the senior club championship from being engulfed in scandal by winning Ulster all these years. Up the Osin.
Irish Chronicle
GAA to offer fans a safe supporters course instead of bans.
It has emerged today that senior Cork Park officials are looking at the likelihood of rolling out a Safe Supporters course.
Based on the principle of the DOE Roads service safe driving course a GAA source described this as potentially of great assistance to supporters who have overstepped the mark and cannot control themselves. A supporter re education programme can be undertaken rather than the conventional ban from the tearraces. Liam O'Mullingar assistant secretary to the Implementations and Oversights committee described the move as long overdue. " What can we do with problem cases - we can keep them outside our doors and ban the culprits or we can try teach the old dog new tricks? We rolled out a pilot run of the Safe Supporters c after the Tyrone Kerry championship match last year - if you remember it was a particular hostile atmosphere that day and we were able to find some perfect candidates - the results of that have been astonishing. Out of 5 Kerry supporters four were incapable of completing the form but all have stopped guldering and effin. Just imagine the prospect of having advanced supporters course at £75 inc VAT a pop. etc. We could be on the pigs back here."
But one word of warning if you repeat ie spit twice in a year the original ban will be implemented and you will be sat up on Sundays in somewhere like North Tyrone with nothing to do....
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 13, 2013, 09:39:15 AM
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Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 12, 2013, 10:08:26 PM
If someone (however stupidly) believes that s/he belongs to a particular 'sect', and s/he throws vitriol at someone else in the belief (however moronically) that that other person is of a different 'sect', then that's sectarian, by definition. It's the intention, not the reality, that's the key.
So a man can be guilty of sectarianism against his twin?
If he's particularly dense, deluded, or demented, and doesn't actually realise that he has a twin. You can't change the definition, however much you'd like to wish it away.
I disagree with you definition which seems to suggest intent is the only criterium.
Well then, not only is sectarianism rampant at every match, competition and duck shoot on these islands, but this board reeks of it. Every 'Shinner', 'Blue-Shirt', 'Apple-Chomper', 'Rhubarbs' etc comment here is sectarian by your definition.
Intent is not the only criterion -- perception is in the mix too. It's bigotry FFS, pure and simple, the only human 'sect' I recognise is the human race, everything else is a contrived concoction of the (fevered) mind.
Dictionary definition of sectarian:
— n
4. a member of a sect or faction, esp one who is bigoted in his adherence to its doctrines or in his intolerance towards other sects, etc
Where the non-religious (or non quasi-religious) dictionary definition of a sect is:
noun
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4.
any group, party, or faction united by a specific doctrine or under a doctrinal leader.
So, choose the doctrine (or faction), however ridiculous it might be, and there you have your sect.
Edit
Faction is there too:
noun
1.
a group or clique within a larger group, party, government, organization, or the like: a faction in favor of big business.
Intent is a major concept in many legal cases, look at Oscar Pistorius' defence. Look at the usual legal defence against fraud - I didn't mean it Judge (i.e. no intent). It is very difficult to prove. You said it is the intention, not the reality, that is the key and then provided definitions of sectarianism that don't mention 'intent' or 'intention' at all.
Some people on this thread have abused the notion of Sectarianism by giving a ridiculous blanket definition to include verbals among Gaels in the heat of a match. Is Finuge Gaa Club or Faction united under a specific doctrine or doctrinal leader that is sectarian against Cookstown's doctrine or doctrinal leader?
Regardless of what I said, the definitions are there in black and white, and when I said 'intention' I presumed the meaning would be clear in that it was what the perpertrator would perceive at that given time. If the donor perceives s/he to be of one faction and perceives the target of the vitriol to be of another, then that's sectarianism (as I said right at the beginning); bigotry based on nothing but prejudice.
You would need to ask the Cookstown players exactly why they interpreted it as sectarianism - were the Finuge boys making out that they were of a different breed, doctrine or faction, for whatever reason, ridiculous in the extreme though that might be (that's what I meant by 'not the reality' i.e., that the distinction is totally groundless)? I don't know, but I do know that I'm in no position to shoot that allegation down out of hand based on some very limited interpretation of what actually constitutes sectarianism.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 13, 2013, 02:40:43 PM
Regardless of what I said, the definitions are there in black and white, and when I said 'intention' I presumed the meaning would be clear in that it was what the perpertrator would perceive at that given time. If the donor perceives s/he to be of one faction and perceives the target of the vitriol to be of another, then that's sectarianism (as I said right at the beginning); bigotry based on nothing but prejudice.
You would need to ask the Cookstown players exactly why they interpreted it as sectarianism - were the Finuge boys making out that they were of a different breed, doctrine or faction, for whatever reason, ridiculous in the extreme though that might be (that's what I meant by 'not the reality' i.e., that the distinction is totally groundless)? I don't know, but I do know that I'm in no position to shoot that allegation down out of hand based on some very limited interpretation of what actually constitutes sectarianism.
But as far as I know they haven't said there was sectarian abuse. I thought they referred to disparaging remarks about people who had passed away. That in itself should be condemned, especially if it was about who I think it may have been about (but I obviously don't know the facts), but it still has nothing to do with sectarianism.
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But as far as I know they haven't said there was sectarian abuse. I thought they referred to disparaging remarks about people who had passed away.
"I would like to enlighten Facebook and twitter followers of the
sick and vile sectarian abuse....and indeed those comments made about Tyrone legends that have passed away"
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But as far as I know they haven't said there was sectarian abuse. I thought they referred to disparaging remarks about people who had passed away.
"I would like to enlighten Facebook and twitter followers of the sick and vile sectarian abuse....and indeed those comments made about Tyrone legends that have passed away"
Fair enough, I look forward to hearing exactly what these comments were.
Mugsy is bang out of order on this one. I'm a proud nordie more than most, nearly always back the ulster teams. I refer to the free state all the time when talking to my southern mates. What possible sectarian abuse could have been said during the cookstown game really?? lads must be hurt very easily as I can't think of anything that would be said to annoy me, i would think the lad is a pure knob who knows nothing.
Coming out with these allegations in reply to hard evidence of a dirty spitting act is a PR disaster for mugsy, and cookstown. Dirty, dirty men
All these years going to Derry v Tyrone matches and i never realised i was on the receiving end of sectarian abuse.
Myles called me 'a thick Meath f**ker' in another thread.
Is that sectarian abuse?
And him from Cavan!
Quote from: Jinxy on March 13, 2013, 06:39:21 PM
Myles called me 'a thick Meath f**ker' in another thread.
Is that sectarian abuse?
And him from Cavan!
Yes if he was in tent.
If he was in caravan it is grand.
Quote from: Keepthefaith93 on March 13, 2013, 06:34:32 PM
All these years going to Derry v Tyrone matches and i never realised i was on the receiving end of sectarian abuse.
Yes, report it to yer local garda station. Them Tyrone hoors have hurt many feelings a lot over the years.
We in Derry knew they were a bunch of scumbags long before Kerry or the rest of the country knew.
Jinky if he called u a hard meath f**ker in the Mick Lyons mould you loved it lol
Just like Dromid Pearses last year Finuge be careful what you wish for! The CCCC should be the first port of call if you have a complaint not youtube!
A new video clip from the Cookstown / Finuge game has been posted on YouTube.
The fresh footage also seems to depict a spitting incident during an altercation between players and officials from both sides. This time, it seems that a Fr Rocks player may have been the victim.
The first clip that appeared over the weekend seemed to show Kerry star Paul Galvin being spat upon and the former Footballer of the Year subsequently issued a statement saying that a Cookstown player did spit on him.
The clubs had sought permission from Croke Park to video the match for their own purposes and the CCCC will now seek unedited footage from both camps so they can investigate the incidents fully.
GAA chiefs are believed to be unhappy that the footage has surfaced on YouTube as that breaches the agreement that had been made between Croke Park and the clubs with regard to them recording the match for private use.
https://t.co/TcT09ToVNe (https://t.co/TcT09ToVNe)
Not only does he spit on Stringer but he turns them both into a huge Will Greenwood head. Disgusting!
Mugsy fuels fire on Kerry rivalry
Owen Mulligan has stoked the flames of the sometimes bitter Tyrone-Kerry rivalry in his newly-released autobiography, Mugsy — My Story
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The Cookstown man speaks of how both Kerry and Finuge players indulged in sectarian abuse in the 2008 All Ireland final and this year's All Ireland Club intermediate final.
He also mocks Paul Galvin for "crying like a baby" after Kerry's qualifier win over Tyrone in Killarney last year, while he questioned that the 2009 footballer of the year was spat on in last February's club game. Mulligan described Kerry's 2004 All Ireland win as "very soft" and admits the disdain between the camps when they both were in their pomp.
"Some of our boys couldn't stand the Kerry lads and it was obvious Jack O'Connor disliked us as well, you could see it in his face every time we played them."
After coming on as a sub in the 2008 All Ireland final, he claims he was subjected to sectarian abuse.
"Some of the Kerry lads' line of patter wasn't very original. They, and some of the Dublin players, were big into calling us 'British c***s' or 'Orange b******s'.
"It used to annoy some lads, but not me.
"I mean, so what? I'd get far more annoyed if someone insulted my ma. There was never the remotest chance of us losing to Kerry in 2003 and 2005 because we were way better than them and had far better footballers.
"But, in the 2008 final, we could have been beaten. We needed a bit of luck and we got it."
He recalls how he dismissed Galvin during the Cookstown-Finuge final when the Kerry forward told him he had been spat on and again accuses Finuge players of making incendiary comments.
When footage of the game on YouTube surfaced indicating Galvin had been spat on by a Cookstown player and he retweeted a link to it on Twitter, Mulligan felt he had to take a stand as club captain and released a statement.
Shortly after that, Mulligan received a phone call from Peter Canavan who had been contacted by Galvin. "That pissed me off for a start. Why is he ringing Canavan? I fumed. Canavan has nothing to do with Cookstown. He should have phoned me.
"Galvin wanted Canavan to act as a go-between but I wasn't having that. I got his number from Canavan and texted him. 'Paul, it's Mugsy here. Are you ok to talk?'
"He texted back that he would take my call, so I phoned him. 'I was very disappointed with your comments,' he told me quickly enough. 'Are you going to take them back?' 'Not one bit, Paul. I'm defending my club and a player on my team.' 'I was spat on,' he said. 'Your club knows it and your county knows it. What would you do?' 'I don't want to fall out with you,' I replied. 'I have respect for you and your club, but this is being built up as a whole Tyrone v Kerry row and it's getting out of hand.
He agreed he didn't want the bad publicity either."
Mulligan doesn't know whether Galvin is speaking to him or not but would like to draw a line under their differences.
"I have a lot of respect for most of the Kerry lads, including him. He is a class player and he's got rough treatment over the years. Of course, he is no angel at times but he is hard done by, too."
The only proper thing to do is suspend both Kerry and Tyrone from all inter-county competitions.
That is embarrassing.
Cringe.