In 2013ad a Police Force could not facilitate the free passage of Cliftonville fans into Seaview,for the top of the table clash with Crusaders,on account of flag protesters,resulting in the match being postponed.One,I repeat one,arrest was made.
When the same thing happened at Solitude in the 1970's, Cliftonville were forced to play all their home games away. And if there was a riot e.g. in Windsor Park, Cliftonville were fined as being the home team.
A complete and utter joke...and that's only the PSNI!
I wonder how Brwyson squares the damage to local soccer with him being Footie!!
Maybe the protest was about Cross Rangers and Loughgiel getting beat?
Quote from: Orior on February 16, 2013, 05:35:20 PM
Maybe the protest was about Cross Rangers and Loughgiel getting beat?
or even Cwokes
Three arrests. Crusaders laid on buses for Cliftonville supporters, but most of them refused to use them. The only Cliftonville supporters to get into the ground were the ones that got the bus. Crusaders could have done no more.
Police should have driven these rats away from the ground, with as much force as needed. The sooner these waste of ejeculant protesters get the message the better.
Wouldn't attach any blame to the clubs,but the Police are a joke alright.
To be fair; tis better not anyone seeing this soccer game. Boring as f**k.
At least 50 afternoons were ruined this afternoon as a result of these actions. 22 players, 8 backroom staff, 4 officials, 1 ticket collector, and unknown number of supporters, estimated at 15.
Quote from: thewobbler on February 16, 2013, 08:12:36 PM
At least 50 afternoons were ruined this afternoon as a result of these actions. 22 players, 8 backroom staff, 4 officials, 1 ticket collector, and unknown number of supporters, estimated at 15.
I'd imagine crowd would have been about 2000 or so
Quote from: Ball DeBeaver on February 16, 2013, 05:42:05 PM
Three arrests. Crusaders laid on buses for Cliftonville supporters, but most of them refused to use them. The only Cliftonville supporters to get into the ground were the ones that got the bus. Crusaders could have done no more.
Police should have driven these rats away from the ground, with as much force as needed. The sooner these waste of ejeculant protesters get the message the better.
It's a north Belfast derby though and Cliftonville supporters have always walked to this fixture.
Residents from the area around Seaview were giving out leaflets the other week at a home fixture against Linfield which was aimed at stoking up tensions. Even Linfield fans on some of the Irish League forums were baffled as to why the leaflets were given out to them. Apparently the leaflet claimed that Cliftonville fans attacked their homes on their way to and from the Boxing Day derby and that they should be supporting in protesting today..
about 1500 more than a derry game lol
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 16, 2013, 08:59:04 PM
about 1500 more than a derry game lol
Ye leave institute out of this.
Quote from: thewobbler on February 16, 2013, 08:12:36 PM
At least 50 afternoons were ruined this afternoon as a result of these actions. 22 players, 8 backroom staff, 4 officials, 1 ticket collector, and unknown number of supporters, estimated at 15.
crusaders were expecting their biggest crowd of the season. PSNI are a joke to allow this to happen.
Sports fans everywhere are hoping this can occur at every Irish League ground next week.
Nigel Dodds MP and Nelson McCausland MLA said: (North Belfast MP and MLA respectively)
"It is deeply regrettable that today's match at Seaview was postponed.
A lot of work had gone on between the two clubs, local residents and police in order to allow the match to go ahead in ...a peaceful atmosphere.
Unfortunately this afternoon's events have disrupted this good work and spoiled what should have been simply a great day of sport enjoyed by football supporters.
One of our Councillors Guy Spence was present on the ground, along with Cllr Lydia Paterson and other community representatives, trying to help keep the situation as calm and peaceful as possible. This was because of the previous history of difficulties caused by a small number of Cliftonville fans walking down Skegoneill Avenue behaving badly and offensively towards local residents.
There is video evidence of police acting aggressively towards Cllr Spence and of him being struck by police. Others who also tried to help have complained of police heavy handed tactics and needless aggression by police.
We will be following these issues up with police urgently this evening and in the coming days."
Cllr Spence added:
"I was present throughout the afternoon on the Shore Road in order to try to ensure that there was no trouble and that things would remain as calm as possible. When police were pushing people back I was struck by a police baton as I tried to lift a lady who had fallen back onto her feet. I was also struck by one police officer as I tried to speak to the police inspector after the arrest of a local community worker."
Yeah boys, blame the fenians!
The irony is that up to last year (until one of th clubs ceased to exist) Celtic and Rangers fans in Glasgow,were able to freely attend fixtures at each other's stadia, due to effective policing,that is a crowd of 50,000 at Ibrox and 60,000 at Celtic Park,approximately 20 times the attendance at Seaview today.
Massive money spent on policing (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-14251800) old firm games though.
Apparently it's all a ploy to take attention away from the ira shooting in north belfast ::) or so says some "knowledgable" guy on twitter.
Quote from: michaelg on February 16, 2013, 08:34:58 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 16, 2013, 08:12:36 PM
At least 50 afternoons were ruined this afternoon as a result of these actions. 22 players, 8 backroom staff, 4 officials, 1 ticket collector, and unknown number of supporters, estimated at 15.
I'd imagine crowd would have been about 2000 or so
2000 Holy God. There was a crowd of 4000 at the Macrory Cup quarter final between St Paul's and the Abbey CBS in Newry last week
armaghmaniac,there's massive money spent on policing flag protests,or not policing flag protests
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Quote from: michaelg on February 16, 2013, 08:34:58 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 16, 2013, 08:12:36 PM
At least 50 afternoons were ruined this afternoon as a result of these actions. 22 players, 8 backroom staff, 4 officials, 1 ticket collector, and unknown number of supporters, estimated at 15.
I'd imagine crowd would have been about 2000 or so
2000 Holy God. There was a crowd of 4000 at the Macrory Cup quarter final between St Paul's and the Abbey CBS in Newry last week
And how's that relevant? By the way I was at the St. Pal's game, 4000 is a very generous estimate.
I noticed Carl Frampton and Paddy Barnes in Seaview yesterday, although Tony probably seen him at the fleg protest first......
Irish League top of the table clash goes ahead
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Quote from: armaghniac on February 17, 2013, 12:24:02 PM
Irish League top of the table clash goes ahead
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Donegal in blue?
Quote from: ranch on February 17, 2013, 09:56:05 AM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on February 17, 2013, 12:19:49 AM
Quote from: michaelg on February 16, 2013, 08:34:58 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 16, 2013, 08:12:36 PM
At least 50 afternoons were ruined this afternoon as a result of these actions. 22 players, 8 backroom staff, 4 officials, 1 ticket collector, and unknown number of supporters, estimated at 15.
I'd imagine crowd would have been about 2000 or so
2000 Holy God. There was a crowd of 4000 at the Macrory Cup quarter final between St Paul's and the Abbey CBS in Newry last week
And how's that relevant? By the way I was at the St. Pal's game, 4000 is a very generous estimate.
it was just an observation that's all. Have you asked armaghniac a similar question?
Quote from: SHEEDY on February 16, 2013, 09:24:45 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 16, 2013, 08:12:36 PM
At least 50 afternoons were ruined this afternoon as a result of these actions. 22 players, 8 backroom staff, 4 officials, 1 ticket collector, and unknown number of supporters, estimated at 15.
crusaders were expecting their biggest crowd of the season. PSNI are a joke to allow this to happen.
They have, and always have been a joke, useless, toothless, spineless fcukers.
They're not all bad! One of them decked a DUP councillor yesterday! To get such an opportunity is in itself,a worthy reason to consider joining the PSNI ;D
The PSNI are definitely the story here, you can hardly blame Crusaders. I remember years ago watching Today Tonight - yes, years ago - where a plummy-accented British Army officer admitted that investigations of Loyalist violence were handled by the RUC and investigations of Republican violence were handled by the UDR. The implication was clear - we give the Taigs to the trigger-happy thugs while the peelers pop around and have a nice cup of tea with the mammies of the rambunctious Prods. Some things never change.
Quote from: hardstation on February 18, 2013, 09:29:15 AM
I think there is going to be blue murder this summer. The peelers have brought it on themselves too.
+1. I think it's going to be rough. I'd be interested to see how policing by "the least worst option" (Will Kerr in today's Irish News) will pan out at the height of the marching season.
Its St Partick day that we need to be worried about. The RUC have made a complete balls of this whole Issue.
It could be madness unfortunately. These boys are still at it every saturday and causing disruption in the city centre.
I would worry if there's a st patricks day parade they'd try and do something there too.
Quote from: hardstation on February 18, 2013, 09:29:15 AM
I think there is going to be blue murder this summer. The peelers have brought it on themselves too.
Is this because you think the protesters are going to get ever more belligerent?
Quote from: hardstation on February 18, 2013, 11:03:15 AM
I think places like Ardoyne and the Strand are going to kick up one hell of a stink when the marching starts.
There will be a huge amount of frustration at how the peelers have tiptoed around these c***ts who have been at it for months.
Gotcha. Not good. But as you say, not surprising.
Quote from: AQMP on February 18, 2013, 10:31:50 AM
Quote from: hardstation on February 18, 2013, 09:29:15 AM
I think there is going to be blue murder this summer. The peelers have brought it on themselves too.
+1. I think it's going to be rough. I'd be interested to see how policing by "the least worst option" (Will Kerr in today's Irish News) will pan out at the height of the marching season.
Coppers were told all week from higher echelons of the PSNI that they'd be taking a tougher stance on any public order offenses caused by these protestors, an hour later after the protests began of friday evening they'd gotten new orders to adopt a more 'softly softly' approach.
Matt and his crew haven't got the swingers to take them on and Wullie and Co know it.
I will say it again. The orders on the way the RUC have dealt with this are coming from the top dogs in westminster. The brits want to keep this place at a certain economic level and what better way to do than have a bit of unrest no and again.
Quote from: Hereiam on February 18, 2013, 12:57:26 PM
I will say it again. The orders on the way the RUC have dealt with this are coming from the top dogs in westminster. The brits want to keep this place at a certain economic level and what better way to do than have a bit of unrest no and again.
That doesn't make sense to me... Sure they have to spend a load of money on policing the protests which could have been going into the economy. The capital that goes towards NI is not lowering - it's just shifting.
Why would they want to keep this place at a certain economic level?
They will not allow the general public over here become too wealthy. The stat's for this place will back that up. The more money the greater the power.
Quote from: hardstation on February 18, 2013, 11:03:15 AM
I think places like Ardoyne and the Strand are going to kick up one hell of a stink when the marching starts.
There will be a huge amount of frustration at how the peelers have tiptoed around these c***ts who have been at it for months.
It will be interesting to see how they police counter protests and sit-ins from the residents of Ardoyne etc. I have a small feeling the softly-softly approach won't apply there.
Quote from: Hereiam on February 18, 2013, 01:57:38 PM
They will not allow the general public over here become too wealthy. The stat's for this place will back that up. The more money the greater the power.
This makes no sense whatsoever?
Try again to explain this please?
What stats? If there are stats to say the general public aren't "too wealthy" over here how would they indicate it's due to them not being allowed to be too wealthy?
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 18, 2013, 02:04:21 PM
What stats? If there are stats to say the general public aren't "too wealthy" over here how would they indicate it's due to them not being allowed to be too wealthy?
I would have thought that the opposite would be true, create wealth and prosperity for the people more likely to appease the people and make them want to remain part of the Union. More tax income less reliance on the public sector jobs etc
Is Cliftonville the only taig team in the league?
Quote from: hardstation on February 18, 2013, 02:25:45 PM
Donegal Celtic.
Cliftonville are the only taig team worth 2d though.
Cliftonville was mainly a Prod team when it first started was it not? A lot of it's main directors were of a Protestant background, I'm sure someone could be more informed than me on this
I know alot of ye are up in arms about this but frankly I can't get even slightly upset about the goings on in the Irish league.
QuoteCliftonville was mainly a Prod team when it first started was it not? A lot of it's main directors were of a Protestant background, I'm sure someone could be more informed than me on this
I'd say that the area around there was more mixed in the past. Now there are only Taigs from Oldpark Ave on and less in the way of a loyal local fan base.
Quote from: trileacman on February 18, 2013, 03:18:03 PM
I know alot of ye are up in arms about this but frankly I can't get even slightly upset about the goings on in the Irish league.
No? This is a thread about it, if you aren't worried about it then why post? The main part of the thread though is the allowance of the PSNI to have a protest that stopped the game going ahead, I've actually taken this route a few times (back in the day,) there was never any hassle and the game was always played in good spirit and everyone went home afterwards with no trouble.
Quote from: NAG1 on February 18, 2013, 02:15:41 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 18, 2013, 02:04:21 PM
What stats? If there are stats to say the general public aren't "too wealthy" over here how would they indicate it's due to them not being allowed to be too wealthy?
I would have thought that the opposite would be true, create wealth and prosperity for the people more likely to appease the people and make them want to remain part of the Union. More tax income less reliance on the public sector jobs etc
Nag get a grip, it is all about creating wealth and prosperity for themselves.
Quote from: Hereiam on February 18, 2013, 03:37:45 PM
Quote from: NAG1 on February 18, 2013, 02:15:41 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 18, 2013, 02:04:21 PM
What stats? If there are stats to say the general public aren't "too wealthy" over here how would they indicate it's due to them not being allowed to be too wealthy?
I would have thought that the opposite would be true, create wealth and prosperity for the people more likely to appease the people and make them want to remain part of the Union. More tax income less reliance on the public sector jobs etc
Nag get a grip, it is all about creating wealth and prosperity for themselves.
Who is 'they'?
Quote from: Hereiam on February 18, 2013, 03:37:45 PM
Nag get a grip, it is all about creating wealth and prosperity for themselves.
Just to be clear, the PSNI want to intervene to prevent this escalating but are following orders from Westminster not to intervene even though it is the PSNI who will be in the the firing line when everything goes Pete Tong. Is that right?
'They' must be the people from the shadows who sit behind an oval table and determine how they can make money by having trouble simmering in N.Ireland.
They must be fleg producers or street cops (overtime) or road workers, window glazers, fleg pole makers (christ I made a few pound in shipyard on those) community groups (UDA/UVF)
Could be anyone
Quote from: deiseach on February 18, 2013, 03:59:31 PM
Quote from: Hereiam on February 18, 2013, 03:37:45 PM
Nag get a grip, it is all about creating wealth and prosperity for themselves.
Just to be clear, the PSNI want to intervene to prevent this escalating but are following orders from Westminster not to intervene even though it is the PSNI who will be in the the firing line when everything goes Pete Tong. Is that right?
They want the Northern Ireland to remain a drain on the public purse so they can create wealth and prosperity for themselves. QED Westminister is being run by the IRA. (c) W Frazier 2013.
Does anyone travel along the Shore Road past Seaview? There's a car burnt out on the Shore Road right behind the goals this morning. I'm nearly sure it had a southern reg but didn't get a look quick enough so not certain by any means
Cliftonville require just another point to win the league with 5 games remaining following their 3-1 home win against Crusaders today. ;D
Surely they will get that point against Linfield at Solitude at the next league fixture,which is the equivalent of Celtic taking the title off Rangers at Celtic Park! ;D
Quote from: T Fearon on April 02, 2013, 09:15:57 PM
Surely they will get that point against Linfield at Solitude at the next league fixture,which is the equivalent of Celtic taking the title off Rangers at Celtic Park! ;D
How would that be? Clifftonville would not be winning more titles than Linfield and like Rangers, Linfield have more league titles, Cliftonville not as much as Celtic, so again no comparisons there, Linfield winning title at Glentoran would be a better example I'd say.
Oh is it cause of the colours Blue and Red? No I'm lost.....
Quote from: T Fearon on April 02, 2013, 09:15:57 PM
Surely they will get that point against Linfield at Solitude at the next league fixture,which is the equivalent of Celtic taking the title off Rangers at Celtic Park! ;D
IFA not found anything in their rules yet re. stadium capacity etc. to prevent them taking the title? They are running out of time.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 02, 2013, 11:25:46 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on April 02, 2013, 09:15:57 PM
Surely they will get that point against Linfield at Solitude at the next league fixture,which is the equivalent of Celtic taking the title off Rangers at Celtic Park! ;D
IFA not found anything in their rules yet re. stadium capacity etc. to prevent them taking the title? They are running out of time.
Would the Masons be used possibly as an excuse?
No but seriously, Cliftonville have won the title before, the manager was a player at the time I believe.
Quote from: T Fearon on April 02, 2013, 09:15:57 PM
Surely they will get that point against Linfield at Solitude at the next league fixture,which is the equivalent of Celtic taking the title off Rangers at Celtic Park! ;D
Hopefully. With a bit of luck they could still complete the treble!
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 02, 2013, 11:34:20 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 02, 2013, 11:25:46 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on April 02, 2013, 09:15:57 PM
Surely they will get that point against Linfield at Solitude at the next league fixture,which is the equivalent of Celtic taking the title off Rangers at Celtic Park! ;D
IFA not found anything in their rules yet re. stadium capacity etc. to prevent them taking the title? They are running out of time.
Would the Masons be used possibly as an excuse?
No but seriously, Cliftonville have won the title before, the manager was a player at the time I believe.
I remember them winning it in late 90s.
Last won in 1998.Previous to that it was 70 or 80 years.As far as I know Cliftonville is Ireland's oldest soccer club.They retained their amateur status up until the mid 70s which meant they were uncompetitive for decades in terms of challenging for trophies.The rivalry in Belfast used to be between Belfast Celtic and Linfield.After Celtic's withdrawal in 1950, it transferred to Glentoran and Linfield,but with Cliftonville's reemergence in the late 70s,the Belfast Celtic base has been cornered by them to produce a serious Celtic v Rangers like rivalry with Linfield.
Quote from: T Fearon on April 02, 2013, 11:56:30 PM
Last won in 1998.Previous to that it was 70 or 80 years.As far as I know Cliftonville is Ireland's oldest soccer club.They retained their amateur status up until the mid 70s which meant they were uncompetitive for decades in terms of challenging for trophies.The rivalry in Belfast used to be between Belfast Celtic and Linfield.After Celtic's withdrawal in 1950, it transferred to Glentoran and Linfield,but with Cliftonville's reemergence in the late 70s,the Belfast Celtic base has been cornered by them to produce a serious Celtic v Rangers like rivalry with Linfield.
What sort of retainer do Linfield get off the back of the new Windsor redevelopment? Talk about a stacked deck!
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 03, 2013, 12:04:12 AM
Quote from: T Fearon on April 02, 2013, 11:56:30 PM
Last won in 1998.Previous to that it was 70 or 80 years.As far as I know Cliftonville is Ireland's oldest soccer club.They retained their amateur status up until the mid 70s which meant they were uncompetitive for decades in terms of challenging for trophies.The rivalry in Belfast used to be between Belfast Celtic and Linfield.After Celtic's withdrawal in 1950, it transferred to Glentoran and Linfield,but with Cliftonville's reemergence in the late 70s,the Belfast Celtic base has been cornered by them to produce a serious Celtic v Rangers like rivalry with Linfield.
What sort of retainer do Linfield get off the back of the new Windsor redevelopment? Talk about a stacked deck!
15 %
Quote from: NAG1 on April 03, 2013, 09:24:22 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 03, 2013, 12:04:12 AM
Quote from: T Fearon on April 02, 2013, 11:56:30 PM
Last won in 1998.Previous to that it was 70 or 80 years.As far as I know Cliftonville is Ireland's oldest soccer club.They retained their amateur status up until the mid 70s which meant they were uncompetitive for decades in terms of challenging for trophies.The rivalry in Belfast used to be between Belfast Celtic and Linfield.After Celtic's withdrawal in 1950, it transferred to Glentoran and Linfield,but with Cliftonville's reemergence in the late 70s,the Belfast Celtic base has been cornered by them to produce a serious Celtic v Rangers like rivalry with Linfield.
What sort of retainer do Linfield get off the back of the new Windsor redevelopment? Talk about a stacked deck!
15 %
15% of all international games gate receipts, plus £200k a year in rent, plus the IFA cover all running and maintenance costs.
A good deal for LFC.
Quote from: T Fearon on April 02, 2013, 11:56:30 PM
Last won in 1998.Previous to that it was 70 or 80 years.As far as I know Cliftonville is Ireland's oldest soccer club.They retained their amateur status up until the mid 70s which meant they were uncompetitive for decades in terms of challenging for trophies.The rivalry in Belfast used to be between Belfast Celtic and Linfield.After Celtic's withdrawal in 1950, it transferred to Glentoran and Linfield,but with Cliftonville's reemergence in the late 70s,the Belfast Celtic base has been cornered by them to produce a serious Celtic v Rangers like rivalry with Linfield.
I doubt this very much, over the years I have been to countless games, even when they played all their games at Windsor and the vast majority that went to those games never bothered going to the other games at Cliftonville.
I lived in the street were the away supporters were let in for a couple of years, was rough enough during the Glens games, always thought they had a bigger rivalry with the Glens than Linfield. Cliftonville were originally a prod side back in the day but with catholics moving into the area in the 60's and during the troubles Cliftonville's fan based changed. The majority of the directors at Cliftonville would still be protestants. West Belfast supporters of Cliftonville would be very small in fairness so it didn't corner the Belfast Celtic supporters especially in the 50's as I've mentioned before the fan base was different
Is the area where Cliftonville's ground is in classified as Ardoyne or where does Ardoyne start? Is it at the roundabout at the top of the cliftonville road?
Ardoyne's pitch is more or less opposite soltitude isn't it?
Thats the old cricket pitch. That should give you an idea of who lived in that area. As for Ardoyne its nowhere near Cliftonville, you have the Oldpark to pass before you reach Ardoyne
Ah right - was never sure where Ardoyne started.
Always full of celtic shirts up there so I suspect the demographic has changed drastically.
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 03, 2013, 11:28:06 AM
Ah right - was never sure where Ardoyne started.
Always full of celtic shirts up there so I suspect the demographic has changed drastically.
Yeah has changed a fair deal over the years, in the street I lived in there were a few prods living in it, was a mixed area right up to about 20 years ago.
But some ones here would never let the truth get in the way of a good 'them' and 'us' story!!!
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 03, 2013, 10:58:36 AM
Quote from: T Fearon on April 02, 2013, 11:56:30 PM
Last won in 1998.Previous to that it was 70 or 80 years.As far as I know Cliftonville is Ireland's oldest soccer club.They retained their amateur status up until the mid 70s which meant they were uncompetitive for decades in terms of challenging for trophies.The rivalry in Belfast used to be between Belfast Celtic and Linfield.After Celtic's withdrawal in 1950, it transferred to Glentoran and Linfield,but with Cliftonville's reemergence in the late 70s,the Belfast Celtic base has been cornered by them to produce a serious Celtic v Rangers like rivalry with Linfield.
I doubt this very much, over the years I have been to countless games, even when they played all their games at Windsor and the vast majority that went to those games never bothered going to the other games at Cliftonville.
I lived in the street were the away supporters were let in for a couple of years, was rough enough during the Glens games, always thought they had a bigger rivalry with the Glens than Linfield. Cliftonville were originally a prod side back in the day but with catholics moving into the area in the 60's and during the troubles Cliftonville's fan based changed. The majority of the directors at Cliftonville would still be protestants. West Belfast supporters of Cliftonville would be very small in fairness so it didn't corner the Belfast Celtic supporters especially in the 50's as I've mentioned before the fan base was different
Think their directors would now be mostly Catholic ,I know two of them very well.Great to see them winning the league again as they appear to be a very good footballing side.
Jim Boyce, recent IFA president is on the Cliftonville Board, isn't he?
Still think the Cliftonville V Linfield rivalry replaces that of the former Belfast Celtic V Linfield rivalry, and Cliftonville have a fair few fans on the Falls Road, Andersonstown etc.
Good to see them winning the league, however if past experience is anything to go by, most of their top players will move elsewhere in the summer. Hopefully this won't happen, as I think if this team stays together, it will take a very good team to stop them repeating this success next year. Imagine Linfield having two consecutive trophyless seasons! ;D
Quote from: T Fearon on April 03, 2013, 04:20:38 PM
Jim Boyce, recent IFA president is on the Cliftonville Board, isn't he?
Still think the Cliftonville V Linfield rivalry replaces that of the former Belfast Celtic V Linfield rivalry, and Cliftonville have a fair few fans on the Falls Road, Andersonstown etc.
Good to see them winning the league, however if past experience is anything to go by, most of their top players will move elsewhere in the summer. Hopefully this won't happen, as I think if this team stays together, it will take a very good team to stop them repeating this success next year. Imagine Linfield having two consecutive trophyless seasons! ;D
Linfield's biggest rivals are Glentoran so I don't see how Cliftonville have a rivalry with them that compares to the old one with Belfast Celtic. Donegal Celtic would be the team who would attract west Belfast support more so than Cliftonville, albeit in very small numbers.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 03, 2013, 10:58:36 AM
I lived in the street were the away supporters were let in for a couple of years, was rough enough during the Glens games, always thought they had a bigger rivalry with the Glens than Linfield.
It's funny you should mention that. In my time watching Newry I always found the Glens fans, and even the Crues as well, much worse than those following Linfield.
Quote from: T Fearon on April 03, 2013, 04:20:38 PM
Jim Boyce, recent IFA president is on the Cliftonville Board, isn't he?
Still think the Cliftonville V Linfield rivalry replaces that of the former Belfast Celtic V Linfield rivalry, and Cliftonville have a fair few fans on the Falls Road, Andersonstown etc.
Good to see them winning the league, however if past experience is anything to go by, most of their top players will move elsewhere in the summer. Hopefully this won't happen, as I think if this team stays together, it will take a very good team to stop them repeating this success next year. Imagine Linfield having two consecutive trophyless seasons! ;D
You can compare Linfield to Rangers, fan base yes, winning lots of trophies yes, wearing Blue (who wore blue first?) but the amount of Catholics from West Belfast and other parts of N.I that have played for the Blues is very high, compared with Rangers and local based players. Tony stop looking for something that ain't there please, you're embarrassing yourself ffs
Milltown, forgive my ignorance but when you say that the number of Catholics playing for the Blues has been "very high", how high is very high? How high was it in the 60's & 70's? a serious question
MR2.Cliftonvile are an exact replica of Celtic ( minus the trophy haul).A club that has always employed players of all religious persuasions and none.Linfield are an exact replica of Rangers,only employing Catholics in recent times.Both Cliftonville's and Linfield's respective fan bases are exclusively nationalist and unionist, and therefore their clashes are mini old firm clashes.I'm not criticising,it's merely a fact.
Quote from: T Fearon on April 03, 2013, 06:35:32 PM
MR2.Cliftonvile are an exact replica of Celtic ( minus the trophy haul).A club that has always employed players of all religious persuasions and none.Linfield are an exact replica of Rangers,only employing Catholics in recent times.Both Cliftonville's and Linfield's respective fan bases are exclusively nationalist and unionist, and therefore their clashes are mini old firm clashes.I'm not criticising,it's merely a fact.
You could say the same about Glentoran instead of Linfield though, the only difference being the colours.
Only Cliftonville and Linfield have an Old Firm like rivalry with religious undertones.That's the point I'm making.Of course there are other forms of rivalry,Glens V Linfield is more akin to the Man Utd V Liverpool rivalry.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 03, 2013, 11:23:24 AM
Thats the old cricket pitch. That should give you an idea of who lived in that area. As for Ardoyne its nowhere near Cliftonville, you have the Oldpark to pass before you reach Ardoyne
Am I right in saying that the cricket club were burnt out in the 70s?
Quote from: T Fearon on April 03, 2013, 06:44:03 PM
Only Cliftonville and Linfield have an Old Firm like rivalry with religious undertones.That's the point I'm making.Of course there are other forms of rivalry,Glens V Linfield is more akin to the Man Utd V Liverpool rivalry.
I know what you're getting at but the religious undertones are just as prevalent when Cliftonville play the Glens or when Linfield play DC.
Yeah,but nothing like as intense as Cliftonville V Linfield.Donegal Celtic have more players than supporters, Ffs! ;D
Did you know that Cliftonville's all time leading goalscorer is Dr Kevin Mc Garry who is either the father or Uncle of the Hole in the Wall's Tim Mc Garry?
Quote from: T Fearon on April 03, 2013, 06:56:24 PM
Did you know that Cliftonville's all time leading goalscorer is Dr Kevin Mc Garry who is either the father or Uncle of the Hole in the Wall's Tim Mc Garry?
Sounds like one for Jeremy Kyle.
Lol! Nice one!
Quote from: T Fearon on April 03, 2013, 06:35:32 PM
MR2.Cliftonvile are an exact replica of Celtic ( minus the trophy haul).A club that has always employed players of all religious persuasions and none.Linfield are an exact replica of Rangers,only employing Catholics in recent times.Both Cliftonville's and Linfield's respective fan bases are exclusively nationalist and unionist, and therefore their clashes are mini old firm clashes.I'm not criticising,it's merely a fact.
Quote from: Oraisteach on April 03, 2013, 05:23:07 PM
Milltown, forgive my ignorance but when you say that the number of Catholics playing for the Blues has been "very high", how high is very high? How high was it in the 60's & 70's? a serious question
But why bring in religious undertones? It's twats like you that generates shite like this. You must get off on this, if 'we' beat 'them' It's a football match not tribal warfare ffs.
Yes only lately, late 80's right through to now, I don't think they had a local Catholic play for them till 89 I think. Better late than never and if we keep digging up the past we'll get nowhere. I went to a lot of games about 20 years ago and the craic was great and I never seen any major trouble, more trouble at the Blues and Glens games.
I was at the famous or infamous game when DC played Linfield in the cup, now that was a serious match, didn't think me and the bro would get out alive that night
But Tony I'll bow to your superior knowledge of the local scene
I'm not saying anything that isn't true.Just like Celtic and Rangers,Cliftonville and Linfield have practically exclusively respective nationalist and loyalist supports which adds an extra edge to these fixtures.That doesnt mean that every one of the supporters of both clubs is a sectarian bigot.
Remember that DC and Linfield game.An angelic non sectarian Alliance Party supporting Linfield fan ran on to the pitch and booted Brendan Tully up the hole.
They set the dogs on us!! Big German Shephards I ran like fook.
Tully was brilliant in that game
Quote from: T Fearon on April 03, 2013, 09:25:27 PM
I'm not saying anything that isn't true.Just like Celtic and Rangers,Cliftonville and Linfield have practically exclusively respective nationalist and loyalist supports which adds an extra edge to these fixtures.That doesnt mean that every one of the supporters of both clubs is a sectarian bigot.
Remember that DC and Linfield game.An angelic non sectarian Alliance Party supporting Linfield fan ran on to the pitch and booted Brendan Tully up the hole.
Perhaps said fan knew a few of his fellow Alliance supporting pals having a bit of a riot in the Spion Kop end.
Once saw Tully absolutely destroy Linfield singlehandedly in the Irish Cup semi final in 1981,setting up the winner for Mickey Mc Donald (uncle of Rory Mc Ilroy) in Glenavon's one nil win.Great player and would have been even better had he not carried so much weight.
Milltown, you weren't calling me a t***t for asking a serious question about the composition of Linfield, were you? I was asking because if Catholic numbers of LFC are "very high", then that is a significant shift in the state of affairs in the North.
Quote from: T Fearon on April 03, 2013, 09:54:14 PM
Once saw Tully absolutely destroy Linfield singlehandedly in the Irish Cup semi final in 1981,setting up the winner for Mickey Mc Donald (uncle of Rory Mc Ilroy) in Glenavon's one nil win.Great player and would have been even better had he not carried so much weight.
Good player alright,but enjoyed the good life too much,nephew of the great Charlie Tully.
Quote from: Oraisteach on April 03, 2013, 10:07:49 PM
Milltown, you weren't calling me a t***t for asking a serious question about the composition of Linfield, were you? I was asking because if Catholic numbers of LFC are "very high", then that is a significant shift in the state of affairs in the North.
They've had their fair share of Catholics over the years. Oran Kearney was one of their best players and loved by the fans.
I wouldn't say it's a massive shift though, at board level there's not 1 Catholic and they still refuse to play on Sunday's out of fear that it may upset some fans.
Thanks, ranch
A lot of the current Linfield squad are of 'Catholic/Nationalist' backgrounds. The support is almost exclusively Unionist/Loyalist.
I always find it interesting however how the likes of Coleraine, Ballymena, Derry etc have sizeable Linfield support. Cliftonville to a certain degree have support from around the North.
Quote from: Oraisteach on April 03, 2013, 10:36:19 PM
Thanks, ranch
No problem. A huge shift could be claimed if they appointed Oran Kearney as their next manager as it's widely anticipated that both he and Glenn Ferguson (2 club legends) would be the two favourites. It may alienate some of the old fashioned support if they go for Kearney however.
Quote from: qubdub on April 03, 2013, 10:39:30 PM
A lot of the current Linfield squad are of 'Catholic/Nationalist' backgrounds. The support is almost exclusively Unionist/Loyalist.
I always find it interesting however how the likes of Coleraine, Ballymena, Derry etc have sizeable Linfield support. Cliftonville to a certain degree have support from around the North.
Good point, I know a few Catholics from the Lurgan/Portadown area who support Cliftonville as the two clubs in that area are exclusively Loyalist in support. Being from the Newry area I always followed my local side who were a very mixed club in terms of support, but I've always had a soft spot for Cliftonville too.
Quote from: qubdub on April 03, 2013, 10:39:30 PM
A lot of the current Linfield squad are of 'Catholic/Nationalist' backgrounds. The support is almost exclusively Unionist/Loyalist.
I always find it interesting however how the likes of Coleraine, Ballymena, Derry etc have sizeable Linfield support. Cliftonville to a certain degree have support from around the North.
Linfield support across NI in Coleraine, Ballymena etc is probably a bit to do with the fact they attract a certain type of uber-Prod across the six counties, and probably also because of their continued success. Also, Protestants west of the Bann don't have many other attractive options e.g. Institute, Dergview etc.
I can understand the likes of people from Lurgan/P'down following Cliftonville, because those two clubs are in predominantly Loyalist areas of those towns... But why on earth would someone follow Linfield ahead of, or even as well as, Coleraine FC?
Out of curiousity, how many GAA players are in the Irish League at present? I know Linfield have two former Armagh men who would make a handy full-forward line...
Quote from: michaelg on April 03, 2013, 10:52:31 PM
Quote from: qubdub on April 03, 2013, 10:39:30 PM
A lot of the current Linfield squad are of 'Catholic/Nationalist' backgrounds. The support is almost exclusively Unionist/Loyalist.
I always find it interesting however how the likes of Coleraine, Ballymena, Derry etc have sizeable Linfield support. Cliftonville to a certain degree have support from around the North.
Linfield support across NI in Coleraine, Ballymena etc is probably a bit to do with the fact they attract a certain type of uber-Prod across the six counties, and probably also because of their continued success. Also, Protestants west of the Bann don't have many other attractive options e.g. Institute, Dergview etc.
I suppose the part highlighted makes some sense... The last bit is equally valid.
Ex GAA players you mean. Simply not possible to combine both Irish League soccer and GAA at County level.Probably best known ex GAA players playing IL are Henderson at Linfield and Sean O Neill ex Antrim keeper at Crusaders.
Incidentally Linfield are playing Rangers at Ibrox next week.What a gesture it would be for Celtic to have Cliftonville over for a friendly,after both have been crowned Champions of their respective leagues.Fitting tribute to the likes of the Scannell brothers who have been through thick and thin.
Quote from: qubdub on April 03, 2013, 10:55:06 PM
Quote from: michaelg on April 03, 2013, 10:52:31 PM
Quote from: qubdub on April 03, 2013, 10:39:30 PM
A lot of the current Linfield squad are of 'Catholic/Nationalist' backgrounds. The support is almost exclusively Unionist/Loyalist.
I always find it interesting however how the likes of Coleraine, Ballymena, Derry etc have sizeable Linfield support. Cliftonville to a certain degree have support from around the North.
Linfield support across NI in Coleraine, Ballymena etc is probably a bit to do with the fact they attract a certain type of uber-Prod across the six counties, and probably also because of their continued success. Also, Protestants west of the Bann don't have many other attractive options e.g. Institute, Dergview etc.
I suppose the part highlighted makes some sense... The last bit is equally valid.
'Glory-hunting' factor is also relevant I think.
There'd be a few lads playing club as well I'd imagine which what I really meant. Dungannon Swifts have always had a few lads that strip out for their clubs if I remember right.
Attracting support from across the six counties is another similarity Linfield and Cliftonville share with Rangers and Celtic, who do likewise across Scotland
Quote from: qubdub on April 03, 2013, 10:53:11 PM
I can understand the likes of people from Lurgan/P'down following Cliftonville, because those two clubs are in predominantly Loyalist areas of those towns... But why on earth would someone follow Linfield ahead of, or even as well as, Coleraine FC?
Out of curiousity, how many GAA players are in the Irish League at present? I know Linfield have two former Armagh men who would make a handy full-forward line...
Coleraine and Ballymena generally attract a decent crowd, by Irish League standards anyway. A lot of Protestants from Mid Ulster/Craigavon etc would follow Linfield though due to the fact that many people moved from Belfast to that area when it was being developed.
Also, we were on about rivalries earlier on this thread and T Fearon was keen to highlight Cliftonville and Linfield.
Portadown and Glentoran over the past few years have developed a very unhealthy rivalry, so much so that their cup semi this Sat is now a 12.30 kick off and the north Belfast derby is a 4.30 kick off. During the 90s Glenavon and Portadown also had a very good rivalry as both had quite good sides, the link below even shows the crowd the tie attracted.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hHxEhcTawE .. Joey Cunningham could play!
Quote from: ranch on April 03, 2013, 11:06:43 PM
Quote from: qubdub on April 03, 2013, 10:53:11 PM
I can understand the likes of people from Lurgan/P'down following Cliftonville, because those two clubs are in predominantly Loyalist areas of those towns... But why on earth would someone follow Linfield ahead of, or even as well as, Coleraine FC?
Out of curiousity, how many GAA players are in the Irish League at present? I know Linfield have two former Armagh men who would make a handy full-forward line...
Coleraine and Ballymena generally attract a decent crowd, by Irish League standards anyway. A lot of Protestants from Mid Ulster/Craigavon etc would follow Linfield though due to the fact that many people moved from Belfast to that area when it was being developed.
Also, we were on about rivalries earlier on this thread and T Fearon was keen to highlight Cliftonville and Linfield.
Portadown and Glentoran over the past few years have developed a very unhealthy rivalry, so much so that their cup semi this Sat is now a 12.30 kick off and the north Belfast derby is a 4.30 kick off. During the 90s Glenavon and Portadown also had a very good rivalry as both had quite good sides, the link below even shows the crowd the tie attracted.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hHxEhcTawE .. Joey Cunningham could play!
Some good players on both sides - McCoy, McBride and Ferguson for Glenavon and those 2 Scottish lads for Portadown were probably considerably better players than those currently on show in the Irish League.
Going very much off topic I know, but what happened to Belfast Celtic? Just I saw TFearon mentioning them 'quitting' in the 1950s. Why?
Quote from: michaelg on April 03, 2013, 11:14:48 PM
Quote from: ranch on April 03, 2013, 11:06:43 PM
Quote from: qubdub on April 03, 2013, 10:53:11 PM
I can understand the likes of people from Lurgan/P'down following Cliftonville, because those two clubs are in predominantly Loyalist areas of those towns... But why on earth would someone follow Linfield ahead of, or even as well as, Coleraine FC?
Out of curiousity, how many GAA players are in the Irish League at present? I know Linfield have two former Armagh men who would make a handy full-forward line...
Coleraine and Ballymena generally attract a decent crowd, by Irish League standards anyway. A lot of Protestants from Mid Ulster/Craigavon etc would follow Linfield though due to the fact that many people moved from Belfast to that area when it was being developed.
Also, we were on about rivalries earlier on this thread and T Fearon was keen to highlight Cliftonville and Linfield.
Portadown and Glentoran over the past few years have developed a very unhealthy rivalry, so much so that their cup semi this Sat is now a 12.30 kick off and the north Belfast derby is a 4.30 kick off. During the 90s Glenavon and Portadown also had a very good rivalry as both had quite good sides, the link below even shows the crowd the tie attracted.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hHxEhcTawE .. Joey Cunningham could play!
Some good players on both sides - McCoy, McBride and Ferguson for Glenavon and those 2 Scottish lads for Portadown were probably considerably better players than those currently on show in the Irish League.
Undoubtedly. Cunningham's goal at 0:46 and his run at 1:25 would nearly earn him an NI call up now!
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 03, 2013, 11:17:04 PM
Going very much off topic I know, but what happened to Belfast Celtic? Just I saw TFearon mentioning them 'quitting' in the 1950s. Why?
On Boxing Day 1948 they played Linfield away. Linfield equalised late on and their fans invaded the pitch and attacked the Celtic players, even breaking one player's leg, think it was Jimmy Jones. Soon after the club withdrew from the league. They played a few friendlies in the next few years but eventually folded.
Did Glenavon not have a large catholic support base? remember speaking to a builder years ago and he said they watch Glenavon for years until some incident back in the day early 80's?? Not sure but after that it finished the catholic support base. Maybe Tony can help with that
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 04, 2013, 01:09:40 AM
Did Glenavon not have a large catholic support base? remember speaking to a builder years ago and he said they watch Glenavon for years until some incident back in the day early 80's?? Not sure but after that it finished the catholic support base. Maybe Tony can help with that
They may have, I wouldn't be old enough to remember.
The area they're from however is certainly not the most welcoming for Catholics.
When Belfast Celtic folded,two of their most prominent players,jimmy Jones and Jackie Denver,joined their home town club,Glenavon and hence attracted a lot of former Celtic supporters to the Lurgan club,including my father and uncle,who were both Glenavon season ticket holders.
In the early 70s however that generation concluded that Irih league football was shite,and that with the troubles,meant that a lot of people on both sides avoided areas perceived to be either loyalist or republican,hence the cross community element of most Irish League clubs (with the obvious exception of Linfield who never had cross community support) became almost extinct.
I see Stenaline are running a special package trip to the Rangers V Linfield game at Ibrox next Wednesday evening. Now if I was on that boat, I think i'd take my chances swimming over! ;D
Anyone going to see Cliftonville win the league on Saturday, against Linfield?
I've been invited, but turned it down as I couldnt be arsed. I've rather go to the Athletic Grounds on Sunday.
Orior you'd have a hard job! They're playing Crusaders in the Irish Cup semi final this Saturday :P
Imagine anyone from Armagh getting dates mixed up! ;D
Quote from: T Fearon on April 04, 2013, 06:27:48 AM
When Belfast Celtic folded,two of their most prominent players,jimmy Jones and Jackie Denver,joined their home town club,Glenavon and hence attracted a lot of former Celtic supporters to the Lurgan club,including my father and uncle,who were both Glenavon season ticket holders.
In the early 70s however that generation concluded that Irih league football was shite,and that with the troubles,meant that a lot of people on both sides avoided areas perceived to be either loyalist or republican,hence the cross community element of most Irish League clubs (with the obvious exception of Linfield who never had cross community support) became almost extinct.
Luckily Newry were always cross community in terms of support. I doubt anyone could say Glentoran were ever cross community, even before the troubles.
Quote from: ranch on April 04, 2013, 04:43:42 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on April 04, 2013, 06:27:48 AM
When Belfast Celtic folded,two of their most prominent players,jimmy Jones and Jackie Denver,joined their home town club,Glenavon and hence attracted a lot of former Celtic supporters to the Lurgan club,including my father and uncle,who were both Glenavon season ticket holders.
In the early 70s however that generation concluded that Irih league football was shite,and that with the troubles,meant that a lot of people on both sides avoided areas perceived to be either loyalist or republican,hence the cross community element of most Irish League clubs (with the obvious exception of Linfield who never had cross community support) became almost extinct.
Luckily Newry were always cross community in terms of support. I doubt anyone could say Glentoran were ever cross community, even before the troubles.
I was actually told that Glentoran had a Catholic following once upon a time.
Quote from: qubdub on April 04, 2013, 05:54:56 PM
Quote from: ranch on April 04, 2013, 04:43:42 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on April 04, 2013, 06:27:48 AM
When Belfast Celtic folded,two of their most prominent players,jimmy Jones and Jackie Denver,joined their home town club,Glenavon and hence attracted a lot of former Celtic supporters to the Lurgan club,including my father and uncle,who were both Glenavon season ticket holders.
In the early 70s however that generation concluded that Irih league football was shite,and that with the troubles,meant that a lot of people on both sides avoided areas perceived to be either loyalist or republican,hence the cross community element of most Irish League clubs (with the obvious exception of Linfield who never had cross community support) became almost extinct.
Luckily Newry were always cross community in terms of support. I doubt anyone could say Glentoran were ever cross community, even before the troubles.
I was actually told that Glentoran had a Catholic following once upon a time.
They did, was told this when I worked in the Yard, though I never knew anybody who'd admit to it
Interesting. Whilst following Newry I always found Glens, Portadown and Crues fans the worst in terms of religious bigotry. In my experience they were all worse than Linfield.
That said, the north Belfast derbies between the Crues and C'ville have been pretty peaceful over the years (the recent postponement was due to residents and not Crues fans).
Quote from: T Fearon on April 04, 2013, 12:25:51 PM
I see Stenaline are running a special package trip to the Rangers V Linfield game at Ibrox next Wednesday evening. Now if I was on that boat, I think i'd take my chances swimming over! ;D
What precisely do you think would happen?
Quote from: qubdub on April 04, 2013, 05:54:56 PM
Quote from: ranch on April 04, 2013, 04:43:42 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on April 04, 2013, 06:27:48 AM
When Belfast Celtic folded,two of their most prominent players,jimmy Jones and Jackie Denver,joined their home town club,Glenavon and hence attracted a lot of former Celtic supporters to the Lurgan club,including my father and uncle,who were both Glenavon season ticket holders.
In the early 70s however that generation concluded that Irih league football was shite,and that with the troubles,meant that a lot of people on both sides avoided areas perceived to be either loyalist or republican,hence the cross community element of most Irish League clubs (with the obvious exception of Linfield who never had cross community support) became almost extinct.
Luckily Newry were always cross community in terms of support. I doubt anyone could say Glentoran were ever cross community, even before the troubles.
I was actually told that Glentoran had a Catholic following once upon a time.
My dad's catholic mate from Willowfield used to follow the Glens, as did a colleague from Ballymurphy at work.
The delightful Linfield fans certainly think the Glens have catholic fans though, given their charming little ditty that they sing about the chapel on the Newtownards Road.
Quote from: michaelg on April 04, 2013, 06:01:49 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on April 04, 2013, 12:25:51 PM
I see Stenaline are running a special package trip to the Rangers V Linfield game at Ibrox next Wednesday evening. Now if I was on that boat, I think i'd take my chances swimming over! ;D
What precisely do you think would happen?
I think he means it would be a coldhouse for a nationalist or a republican, but then again why would he get on a special soccer ferry anyways, why can't he get the next one.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 04, 2013, 06:08:25 PM
Quote from: michaelg on April 04, 2013, 06:01:49 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on April 04, 2013, 12:25:51 PM
I see Stenaline are running a special package trip to the Rangers V Linfield game at Ibrox next Wednesday evening. Now if I was on that boat, I think i'd take my chances swimming over! ;D
What precisely do you think would happen?
I think he means it would be a coldhouse for a nationalist or a republican, but then again why would he get on a special soccer ferry anyways, why can't he get the next one.
Unless you actively looked for bother, I doubt anything untoward would happen. Been on plenty of crossings with Celtic and Rangers fans and there has never been any hassle. Not that your man would go out of his way to be offended or anything.
Didn't Glens fans take particular delight at Windsor reminding their Linfield counterparts lyrically that Gerry Adams was their MP?
Quote from: T Fearon on April 04, 2013, 08:28:08 PM
Didn't Glens fans take particular delight at Windsor reminding their Linfield counterparts lyrically that Gerry Adams was their MP?
Did they?
I know Linfield have large support in the Shankill Road area, but they also have large support in south Belfast which is where they're based.
Quote from: ranch on April 04, 2013, 08:47:27 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on April 04, 2013, 08:28:08 PM
Didn't Glens fans take particular delight at Windsor reminding their Linfield counterparts lyrically that Gerry Adams was their MP?
Did they?
I know Linfield have large support in the Shankill Road area, but they also have large support in south Belfast which is where they're based.
I'd say most of Linfield's support traditionally comes from the Greater Shankill area - Back in the day there were something like 70,000 living there. Literally only a handful of Glen men from West Belfast.
Quote from: michaelg on April 04, 2013, 06:07:10 PM
Quote from: qubdub on April 04, 2013, 05:54:56 PM
Quote from: ranch on April 04, 2013, 04:43:42 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on April 04, 2013, 06:27:48 AM
When Belfast Celtic folded,two of their most prominent players,jimmy Jones and Jackie Denver,joined their home town club,Glenavon and hence attracted a lot of former Celtic supporters to the Lurgan club,including my father and uncle,who were both Glenavon season ticket holders.
In the early 70s however that generation concluded that Irih league football was shite,and that with the troubles,meant that a lot of people on both sides avoided areas perceived to be either loyalist or republican,hence the cross community element of most Irish League clubs (with the obvious exception of Linfield who never had cross community support) became almost extinct.
Luckily Newry were always cross community in terms of support. I doubt anyone could say Glentoran were ever cross community, even before the troubles.
I was actually told that Glentoran had a Catholic following once upon a time.
My dad's catholic mate from Willowfield used to follow the Glens, as did a colleague from Ballymurphy at work.
The delightful Linfield fans certainly think the Glens have catholic fans though, given their charming little ditty that they sing about the chapel on the Newtownards Road.
I grew up off the Antrim Road in north Belfast in the 1960s. I was one of a group of Catholic kids who used to travel over to East Belfast to support the Glens. Those were the days when Distillery were still just Distillery and played on the Grosvenor Road, and when Cliftonville used to be watched by two men and a dog and Solitude had a union flag flying over the ground.
f**k the lot of them. Wouldn`t go to my back garden to watch that pish
Quote from: michaelg on April 04, 2013, 06:07:10 PM
Quote from: qubdub on April 04, 2013, 05:54:56 PM
Quote from: ranch on April 04, 2013, 04:43:42 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on April 04, 2013, 06:27:48 AM
When Belfast Celtic folded,two of their most prominent players,jimmy Jones and Jackie Denver,joined their home town club,Glenavon and hence attracted a lot of former Celtic supporters to the Lurgan club,including my father and uncle,who were both Glenavon season ticket holders.
In the early 70s however that generation concluded that Irih league football was shite,and that with the troubles,meant that a lot of people on both sides avoided areas perceived to be either loyalist or republican,hence the cross community element of most Irish League clubs (with the obvious exception of Linfield who never had cross community support) became almost extinct.
Luckily Newry were always cross community in terms of support. I doubt anyone could say Glentoran were ever cross community, even before the troubles.
I was actually told that Glentoran had a Catholic following once upon a time.
My dad's catholic mate from Willowfield used to follow the Glens, as did a colleague from Ballymurphy at work.
The delightful Linfield fans certainly think the Glens have catholic fans though, given their charming little ditty that they sing about the chapel on the Newtownards Road.
I knew a couple of guys from Ballyhackamore who were Glensmen.
I think prior to the outbreak of the troubles in the late 60s, every Irish League club (apart from Linfield) had a degree of cross community support. In those days you didn't fear any harrassment in any area (I know that's hard to believe) and indeed there would have been a much greater degree of integrated social housing (ie people from the two communities living side by side), no peace walls etc (stuff that the Alliance Party dreams about today!). I know this is hard to imagine today but believe it or not that's the way life was here, pre 1968, and really the sectarian harrassment and people being forced out of their homes etc and community segregation, didn't really start until the early 70s.
In the late 1960s and early 70s, Glentoran were managed by ex Glasgow Celtic player, John Colrain, who was replaced by Limerick man Ambrose Fogarty, and Dubliner Terry Conroy (later to find fame with Stoke and Republic of Ireland) was their main striker.
I was actually having that exact discussion last night with an older guy who lived in Ardoyne growing up. He was saying they went to 11th night bonfires and all. Said no bother at all with catholics / protestants living together up there and then boom - all went wrong.
Ah yeah no bother at all could go to bonfires watch bands as long as you let them insult you,sing their sectarian songs,deny you the vote,job and housing.It was a great wee place ;)
Quote from: glens abu on April 05, 2013, 11:49:06 AM
Ah yeah no bother at all could go to bonfires watch bands as long as you let them insult you,sing their sectarian songs,deny you the vote,job and housing.It was a great wee place ;)
Well, it's getting better, Cliftonville winning the league Martin in power, Catholics in all the major jobs, police force loads of taigs and unification around the corner ;)
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 05, 2013, 11:55:01 AM
Quote from: glens abu on April 05, 2013, 11:49:06 AM
Ah yeah no bother at all could go to bonfires watch bands as long as you let them insult you,sing their sectarian songs,deny you the vote,job and housing.It was a great wee place ;)
Well, it's getting better, Cliftonville winning the league Martin in power, Catholics in all the major jobs, police force loads of taigs and unification around the corner ;)
:) :) No doubt about that Milltown,much much better,now all we need is Antrim to win Sam.
Quote from: glens abu on April 05, 2013, 11:56:32 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 05, 2013, 11:55:01 AM
Quote from: glens abu on April 05, 2013, 11:49:06 AM
Ah yeah no bother at all could go to bonfires watch bands as long as you let them insult you,sing their sectarian songs,deny you the vote,job and housing.It was a great wee place ;)
Well, it's getting better, Cliftonville winning the league Martin in power, Catholics in all the major jobs, police force loads of taigs and unification around the corner ;)
:) :) No doubt about that Milltown,much much better,now all we need is Antrim to win Sam.
Yeah I think you have pushed the boat out on that, I actually think though that Antrim are actually nearer to winning Sam than Liam. Yes we are streets away from Sam but a great bunch of players could come along and maybe win Ulster and push for Sam. Hurling is further away ffs
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Ah yeah no bother at all could go to bonfires watch bands as long as you let them insult you,sing their sectarian songs,deny you the vote,job and housing.It was a great wee place ;)
Well, it's getting better, Cliftonville winning the league Martin in power, Catholics in all the major jobs, police force loads of taigs and unification around the corner ;)
:) :) No doubt about that Milltown,much much better,now all we need is Antrim to win Sam.
Yeah I think you have pushed the boat out on that, I actually think though that Antrim are actually nearer to winning Sam than Liam. Yes we are streets away from Sam but a great bunch of players could come along and maybe win Ulster and push for Sam. Hurling is further away ffs
Yeah it is very depressing in both codes at present,but sure if James Loughrey can lift it with Cork we can claim it as ours.
Seriously, growing up, the 11th of July Bonfires were one of the highlights of the year. Free lemonade,crisps, sweets (believe me, when I was growing up those were treats you didn;t have every day of the week!), and there was actually a competition to see which street could build the biggest bonfire!
I guess we were too young to understand the significance or be offended, but even to this day, it remains a surprisingly happy and indeed harmless childhood memory.
Treble is still on for Cliftonville.
Crusaders must be sick of the sight of them this season; stuffed by them in a cup final, beat by them in another semi final and despite having a great league campaign themselves Cliftonville have still outdone them!
Sensational achievement that Linfield and Glentoran have rarely if indeed ever accomplished.
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Sensational achievement that Linfield and Glentoran have rarely if indeed ever accomplished.
Linfield definitely have, in fact they bettered it a few seasons ago by winning the treble plus the Co. Antrim shield. I don't think Glentoran have though.
Linfield have done it many times,one season alone they won 7 trophies.
They certainly haven't done it in recent years though.
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They certainly haven't done it in recent years though.
In 2005/06 they completed the clean sweep, not all that long ago.
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It ought to be embarrassing for Linfield not to clean up.
That's true but think the money is drying up.
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It ought to be embarrassing for Linfield not to clean up.
That's true but think the money is drying up.
The deal from the new Windsor will soon sort that.
Not if the Crues have their way :)
Cliftonville FC - Champions!!!
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Great achievement.Hopefully they will add the Irish Cup as well.