Poll
Question:
What was the best move of the game?
Option 1: Cake's super hop after getting up from a dastardly jab by Callagher
votes: 5
Option 2: Cake's girating on the floor after said jab
votes: 8
Option 3: Cake making Jamie Clarke so fearful that he passed the ball despite being one-on-one with the keeper
votes: 6
Will the Rossies dole out more pain to Armagh or can Kilcoo shock the world and end Cross' championship before Christmas?
Barring disaster Brigids v. Cross will be a tie between the two best teams in the country right now. Breffini or Pearse Park? Sure we have to opt for the neautral Leinster venue in the interests of fairness ;D
Cross will win 3 in a row and possibly 4 or 5. There is no team in Ireland that will live with them for 60 minutes for the foreseeable future
If portlaoise don't implode they could cause an upset!
Quote from: Armaghgael on November 25, 2012, 06:54:09 PM
Cross will win 3 in a row and possibly 4 or 5. There is no team in Ireland that will live with them for 60 minutes for the foreseeable future
I seriously doubt that, to do what they are doing is incredible, every game they play they meet a team that has been chomping at the bit to get at them from the first training session, every game is harder than the last and at some point they are going to be unlucky, get injuries to key players and face a team that will match their intensity and put them on the back foot, no team, no matter how good they are could do five in a row, I hope they do but i don't know that they will win three let alone 5, hope I am wrong.
Brigids got within 3 points of Cross in the last two meetings so if Cross win another Ulster title they will know what they are up against. Venue will probably be somewhere in Leinster.
Will it be the 3rd or 4th weekend in February?
Quote from: Syferus on November 25, 2012, 06:43:33 PM
Will the Rossies dole out more pain to Armagh or can Kilcoo shock the world and end Cross' championship before Christmas?
Barring disaster Brigids v. Cross will be a tie between the
two best teams in the country right now. Breffini or Pearse Park? Sure we have to opt for the neautral Leinster venue in the interests of fairness ;D
I think Dr Crokes would have a major gripe on reading that!
If you had asked me three or four years ago, I would have said that Three in a row All-Ireland Club C'ships would have been imposssible.If they win it this year it will be the same as about six in a row for a county team IMHO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: Armaghgael on November 25, 2012, 06:54:09 PM
Cross will win 3 in a row and possibly 4 or 5. There is no team in Ireland that will live with them for 60 minutes for the foreseeable future
Thats complete bullshit in my opinion. I think Brigids will give Cross plenty of it.
Armaghgael and Sufferus are some pair ...... ;D
Quote from: ross4life on November 25, 2012, 07:19:38 PM
Brigids got within 3 points of Cross in the last two meetings so if Cross win another Ulster title they will know what they are up against. Venue will probably be somewhere in Leinster.
Garrycastle - St Brigids was in Pearse Park this year . Both neighbour counties, and neighbour Longford.
Breffni would be the same distance more or less for Cross and Brigids to travel.
Quote from: INDIANA on November 25, 2012, 07:29:29 PM
Quote from: Armaghgael on November 25, 2012, 06:54:09 PM
Cross will win 3 in a row and possibly 4 or 5. There is no team in Ireland that will live with them for 60 minutes for the foreseeable future
They may give them plenty but they won't win, Cross have different players that step up in every game and have the ability to score goals in nearly every attack.
Crokes and Portlaois will be a cracker, and after the Kerry final the Crokes management were giving it the "we are looking at Cross and we owe them!!"
Thats complete bullshit in my opinion. I think Brigids will give Cross plenty of it.
Quote from: rodney trotter on November 25, 2012, 07:54:51 PM
Quote from: ross4life on November 25, 2012, 07:19:38 PM
Brigids got within 3 points of Cross in the last two meetings so if Cross win another Ulster title they will know what they are up against. Venue will probably be somewhere in Leinster.
Garrycastle - St Brigids was in Pearse Park this year . Both neighbour counties, and neighbour Longford.
Breffni would be the same distance more or less for Cross and Brigids to travel.
Maybe.. the last semi final between the two (2007) was played in Cusack Park, Mullingar & the last Connacht v Ulster semi final (Corofin v St Gall's 2010) was played in Parnell Park.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on November 25, 2012, 07:21:46 PM
Will it be the 3rd or 4th weekend in February?
16th of Feb i think.
Quote from: INDIANA on November 25, 2012, 07:29:29 PM
Quote from: Armaghgael on November 25, 2012, 06:54:09 PM
Cross will win 3 in a row and possibly 4 or 5. There is no team in Ireland that will live with them for 60 minutes for the foreseeable future
Thats complete bullshit in my opinion. I think Brigids will give Cross plenty of it.
It is absolute nonsense, an impossibility, some people must think Cross are robots. 3 in a row (if acheived) will sate an awful lot of appetites, it will be a pyschological fulfillment too. If they do get the 3, i'd fully expect them to get chinned in Armagh next year & i think they'd thank you for putting them out!
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 25, 2012, 08:08:15 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on November 25, 2012, 07:29:29 PM
Quote from: Armaghgael on November 25, 2012, 06:54:09 PM
Cross will win 3 in a row and possibly 4 or 5. There is no team in Ireland that will live with them for 60 minutes for the foreseeable future
They may give them plenty but they won't win, Cross have different players that step up in every game and have the ability to score goals in nearly every attack.
Crokes and Portlaois will be a cracker, and after the Kerry final the Crokes management were giving it the "we are looking at Cross and we owe them!!"
Thats complete bullshit in my opinion. I think Brigids will give Cross plenty of it.
Cross have been beaten by Vincents and Kilmacud Crokes in recent years. They are not invincible. Brigids have a lot of very good footballers and Cross haven't really been tested yet in my estimation. Here's me thinking they have an Ulster Final to play as well!!
Cross will dispose of Kilcoo comfortably on Sunday. I also expect them to beat St Brigids in the AI semi final but I think the winner of Ballymun and Crokes could edge out Cross in the final.
I think it's unlikely the 2013 AI champions won't be the team that emerges from this tie.
Crossmaglen v Dr Crokes is the most likely 2013 All Ireland final.
Quote from: yellowcard on November 25, 2012, 11:28:21 PM
Cross will dispose of Kilcoo comfortably on Sunday. I also expect them to beat St Brigids in the AI semi final but I think the winner of Ballymun and Crokes could edge out Cross in the final.
I don't think Ballymun are good enough to win it. Portlaoise may do them.
Quote from: hardstation on November 26, 2012, 12:19:04 AM
INDIANA, nobody expects the same team to win it every year. History has shown that it doesn't happen. In saying that, every year there will be a favourite. For a number of years, that has been Crossmaglen.
Now, every year you come on here and say that Crossmaglen aren't great and conveniently "could be taken". You cannot be beaten as they will fall more years than not. It's like standing in the bookies and saying that the favourite will be beaten in every race. You will have more + than - but there is no money in that betting.
Therefore, instead of telling us who won't win it and feeling all smug when they don't, can you simply predict who will win it?
I can't predict because they aren't in the semi-final yet. Cross could learn a thing or two about respecting their opponents. You don't seem to realise you have to win your province to enter the all-ireland stages. PLenty of material on this thread for their opponents
The Armagh county championship is crap. They have to beat maybe 2 decent teams tow in it.
If Cross were in Dublin not a snowballs would they be going for 3 in a row.
Quote from: INDIANA on November 26, 2012, 06:02:28 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 26, 2012, 12:19:04 AM
INDIANA, nobody expects the same team to win it every year. History has shown that it doesn't happen. In saying that, every year there will be a favourite. For a number of years, that has been Crossmaglen.
Now, every year you come on here and say that Crossmaglen aren't great and conveniently "could be taken". You cannot be beaten as they will fall more years than not. It's like standing in the bookies and saying that the favourite will be beaten in every race. You will have more + than - but there is no money in that betting.
Therefore, instead of telling us who won't win it and feeling all smug when they don't, can you simply predict who will win it?
I can't predict because they aren't in the semi-final yet. Cross could learn a thing or two about respecting their opponents. You don't seem to realise you have to win your province to enter the all-ireland stages. PLenty of material on this thread for their opponents
Indiana, just so you know this thread was started by a St Brigids man, not by a Cross man and therefore it is incorrect to say that we need to learn about respecting our opponents. Secondly, I am the only real regular Cross poster on this Board. By that I am the only one who is from Cross, who posts here regularly who has any real knowledge of what is going on around the team/club. I am by no means the oracle but I do have a fair idea about a lot and trust me the lads are in no way undermining Kilcoo and neither are they looking beyond Sunday. Also if Kilcoo need to use an anonymous DB as a means to motivate themselves a bit more to win an Ulster then that is a fair indictment of the managements motivation skills. ;)
As for the rest of your post supposition and totally unproveable.
Quote from: INDIANA on November 26, 2012, 06:02:28 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 26, 2012, 12:19:04 AM
INDIANA, nobody expects the same team to win it every year. History has shown that it doesn't happen. In saying that, every year there will be a favourite. For a number of years, that has been Crossmaglen.
Now, every year you come on here and say that Crossmaglen aren't great and conveniently "could be taken". You cannot be beaten as they will fall more years than not. It's like standing in the bookies and saying that the favourite will be beaten in every race. You will have more + than - but there is no money in that betting.
Therefore, instead of telling us who won't win it and feeling all smug when they don't, can you simply predict who will win it?
I can't predict because they aren't in the semi-final yet. Cross could learn a thing or two about respecting their opponents. You don't seem to realise you have to win your province to enter the all-ireland stages. PLenty of material on this thread for their opponents
The Armagh county championship is crap. They have to beat maybe 2 decent teams tow in it.
If Cross were in Dublin not a snowballs would they be going for 3 in a row.
This old chestnut again.
Keady have umpteen county hurling championships within Armagh, no Ulsters and no All-Ireland's . You are therefore at liberty to say that the Armagh hurling championship is crap.
Cross have 9 (nine) Ulster titles and 6 (six) All-Ireland's . Surely if the Armagh championship is so crap they'd have been found out in either Ulster or the AI series.
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Indiana, just so you know this thread was started by a St Brigids man,
I think he's Castlerea/Ballagh man but then again Cake Curran isn't a St Brigids man.
QuoteI can't predict because they aren't in the semi-final yet. Cross could learn a thing or two about respecting their opponents
People here have talked up Cross, opinions are why we have discussion boards. As BCB said, nobody close to the actual Rangers setup has implied anything about the quality of the opposition. In reality Cross do not disrespect the opposition, but prepare meticulously for each game, which is why they usually win.
I think Cross experience will see Kilcoo off. But Brigids and Dr Crokes are enormously experienced also and Portlaoise and the Dublin champions have been the only teams outside Ulster to beat them, so I wouldn't expect overconfidence if they reach the semi. If Kilcoo win Ulster, then having beaten the last two teams to win the AI, they won't fear Brigids.
It is lovely to see Rossies with their tails up and Cross plamas in the one place.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 26, 2012, 06:49:56 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on November 26, 2012, 06:02:28 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 26, 2012, 12:19:04 AM
INDIANA, nobody expects the same team to win it every year. History has shown that it doesn't happen. In saying that, every year there will be a favourite. For a number of years, that has been Crossmaglen.
Now, every year you come on here and say that Crossmaglen aren't great and conveniently "could be taken". You cannot be beaten as they will fall more years than not. It's like standing in the bookies and saying that the favourite will be beaten in every race. You will have more + than - but there is no money in that betting.
Therefore, instead of telling us who won't win it and feeling all smug when they don't, can you simply predict who will win it?
I can't predict because they aren't in the semi-final yet. Cross could learn a thing or two about respecting their opponents. You don't seem to realise you have to win your province to enter the all-ireland stages. PLenty of material on this thread for their opponents
Indiana, just so you know this thread was started by a St Brigids man, not by a Cross man and therefore it is incorrect to say that we need to learn about respecting our opponents. Secondly, I am the only real regular Cross poster on this Board. By that I am the only one who is from Cross, who posts here regularly who has any real knowledge of what is going on around the team/club. I am by no means the oracle but I do have a fair idea about a lot and trust me the lads are in no way undermining Kilcoo and neither are they looking beyond Sunday. Also if Kilcoo need to use an anonymous DB as a means to motivate themselves a bit more to win an Ulster then that is a fair indictment of the managements motivation skills. ;)
As for the rest of your post supposition and totally unproveable.
Ahem :o
Don't get your knickers in a twist Crosfire, I didn't say I was the only one just the most regular ;)
Thats not what you said bighead. :)
Quote from: hardstation on November 26, 2012, 12:19:04 AM
INDIANA, nobody expects the same team to win it every year. History has shown that it doesn't happen. In saying that, every year there will be a favourite. For a number of years, that has been Crossmaglen.
Now, every year you come on here and say that Crossmaglen aren't great and conveniently "could be taken". You cannot be beaten as they will fall more years than not. It's like standing in the bookies and saying that the favourite will be beaten in every race. You will have more + than - but there is no money in that betting.
Therefore, instead of telling us who won't win it and feeling all smug when they don't, can you simply predict who will win it?
Well said.
Indiana still talking about these dublin teams that beat cross in 08 and 09, yawn. As for cross not showing respect, BCB is the only real cross man on here that i know, and cross in general do show respect. I always think thats a bit over rated anyway, what do people want by respect? do they want to be bookies favourite instead?
Armagh club football maybe isn't the best in ireland, but i'd say there are few counties better than us. Tyrone for example have only 2 ulster club titles, i cant even remember them having a team in the final in the last 12 years or so.
And cross are a rival club to me, if they are beat next sunday I wouldn't care damn all, i don't go and support them, but i'd still rather see them win it than most other clubs, and at this stage I would say they will win it. But of course, every god has it's day and it can't go on forever.
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on November 26, 2012, 07:45:50 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on November 26, 2012, 06:02:28 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 26, 2012, 12:19:04 AM
INDIANA, nobody expects the same team to win it every year. History has shown that it doesn't happen. In saying that, every year there will be a favourite. For a number of years, that has been Crossmaglen.
Now, every year you come on here and say that Crossmaglen aren't great and conveniently "could be taken". You cannot be beaten as they will fall more years than not. It's like standing in the bookies and saying that the favourite will be beaten in every race. You will have more + than - but there is no money in that betting.
Therefore, instead of telling us who won't win it and feeling all smug when they don't, can you simply predict who will win it?
I can't predict because they aren't in the semi-final yet. Cross could learn a thing or two about respecting their opponents. You don't seem to realise you have to win your province to enter the all-ireland stages. PLenty of material on this thread for their opponents
The Armagh county championship is crap. They have to beat maybe 2 decent teams tow in it.
If Cross were in Dublin not a snowballs would they be going for 3 in a row.
This old chestnut again.
Keady have umpteen county hurling championships within Armagh, no Ulsters and no All-Ireland's . You are therefore at liberty to say that the Armagh hurling championship is crap.
Cross have 9 (nine) Ulster titles and 6 (six) All-Ireland's . Surely if the Armagh championship is so crap they'd have been found out in either Ulster or the AI series.
They've won 40 armagh titles and 9 ulsters. Less then 25%.
Quote from: Orchardman on November 26, 2012, 09:50:30 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 26, 2012, 12:19:04 AM
INDIANA, nobody expects the same team to win it every year. History has shown that it doesn't happen. In saying that, every year there will be a favourite. For a number of years, that has been Crossmaglen.
Now, every year you come on here and say that Crossmaglen aren't great and conveniently "could be taken". You cannot be beaten as they will fall more years than not. It's like standing in the bookies and saying that the favourite will be beaten in every race. You will have more + than - but there is no money in that betting.
Therefore, instead of telling us who won't win it and feeling all smug when they don't, can you simply predict who will win it?
Well said.
Indiana still talking about these dublin teams that beat cross in 08 and 09, yawn. As for cross not showing respect, BCB is the only real cross man on here that i know, and cross in general do show respect. I always think thats a bit over rated anyway, what do people want by respect? do they want to be bookies favourite instead?
Armagh club football maybe isn't the best in ireland, but i'd say there are few counties better than us. Tyrone for example have only 2 ulster club titles, i cant even remember them having a team in the final in the last 12 years or so.
And cross are a rival club to me, if they are beat next sunday I wouldn't care damn all, i don't go and support them, but i'd still rather see them win it than most other clubs, and at this stage I would say they will win it. But of course, every god has it's day and it can't go on forever.
I just can't get over how a team that hasn't reached the all-ireland semi finals yet is automatically going to beat a team in the semis (if they get there)that hasn't been that far away from in recent outings.
I think it could be the best all-ireland semi pairings for quite a while if Cross qualify. Thus making it more open then recent years IMO.
Quote from: INDIANA on November 26, 2012, 10:10:10 PM
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on November 26, 2012, 07:45:50 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on November 26, 2012, 06:02:28 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 26, 2012, 12:19:04 AM
INDIANA, nobody expects the same team to win it every year. History has shown that it doesn't happen. In saying that, every year there will be a favourite. For a number of years, that has been Crossmaglen.
Now, every year you come on here and say that Crossmaglen aren't great and conveniently "could be taken". You cannot be beaten as they will fall more years than not. It's like standing in the bookies and saying that the favourite will be beaten in every race. You will have more + than - but there is no money in that betting.
Therefore, instead of telling us who won't win it and feeling all smug when they don't, can you simply predict who will win it?
I can't predict because they aren't in the semi-final yet. Cross could learn a thing or two about respecting their opponents. You don't seem to realise you have to win your province to enter the all-ireland stages. PLenty of material on this thread for their opponents
The Armagh county championship is crap. They have to beat maybe 2 decent teams tow in it.
If Cross were in Dublin not a snowballs would they be going for 3 in a row.
This old chestnut again.
Keady have umpteen county hurling championships within Armagh, no Ulsters and no All-Ireland's . You are therefore at liberty to say that the Armagh hurling championship is crap.
Cross have 9 (nine) Ulster titles and 6 (six) All-Ireland's . Surely if the Armagh championship is so crap they'd have been found out in either Ulster or the AI series.
They've won 40 armagh titles and 9 ulsters. Less then 25%.
20 of those were won before there was any Ulster Championship, 9 out of 20 is a truer figure if you want to go down that road. Or more accurately would be 9 out of 16 as there was no focus on Ulster until the current run of success.
Quote from: INDIANA on November 26, 2012, 10:10:10 PM
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on November 26, 2012, 07:45:50 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on November 26, 2012, 06:02:28 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 26, 2012, 12:19:04 AM
INDIANA, nobody expects the same team to win it every year. History has shown that it doesn't happen. In saying that, every year there will be a favourite. For a number of years, that has been Crossmaglen.
Now, every year you come on here and say that Crossmaglen aren't great and conveniently "could be taken". You cannot be beaten as they will fall more years than not. It's like standing in the bookies and saying that the favourite will be beaten in every race. You will have more + than - but there is no money in that betting.
Therefore, instead of telling us who won't win it and feeling all smug when they don't, can you simply predict who will win it?
I can't predict because they aren't in the semi-final yet. Cross could learn a thing or two about respecting their opponents. You don't seem to realise you have to win your province to enter the all-ireland stages. PLenty of material on this thread for their opponents
The Armagh county championship is crap. They have to beat maybe 2 decent teams tow in it.
If Cross were in Dublin not a snowballs would they be going for 3 in a row.
This old chestnut again.
Keady have umpteen county hurling championships within Armagh, no Ulsters and no All-Ireland's . You are therefore at liberty to say that the Armagh hurling championship is crap.
Cross have 9 (nine) Ulster titles and 6 (six) All-Ireland's . Surely if the Armagh championship is so crap they'd have been found out in either Ulster or the AI series.
They've won 40 armagh titles and 9 ulsters. Less then 25%.
easily the worst post i have ever seen on this site and anyone with football knowledge will know why
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I don't mean to frighten the Ulster lads but not even an army of Jamie Clarkes could get by Cake.
Quote from: INDIANA on November 26, 2012, 10:10:10 PM
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on November 26, 2012, 07:45:50 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on November 26, 2012, 06:02:28 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 26, 2012, 12:19:04 AM
INDIANA, nobody expects the same team to win it every year. History has shown that it doesn't happen. In saying that, every year there will be a favourite. For a number of years, that has been Crossmaglen.
Now, every year you come on here and say that Crossmaglen aren't great and conveniently "could be taken". You cannot be beaten as they will fall more years than not. It's like standing in the bookies and saying that the favourite will be beaten in every race. You will have more + than - but there is no money in that betting.
Therefore, instead of telling us who won't win it and feeling all smug when they don't, can you simply predict who will win it?
I can't predict because they aren't in the semi-final yet. Cross could learn a thing or two about respecting their opponents. You don't seem to realise you have to win your province to enter the all-ireland stages. PLenty of material on this thread for their opponents
The Armagh county championship is crap. They have to beat maybe 2 decent teams tow in it.
If Cross were in Dublin not a snowballs would they be going for 3 in a row.
This old chestnut again.
Keady have umpteen county hurling championships within Armagh, no Ulsters and no All-Ireland's . You are therefore at liberty to say that the Armagh hurling championship is crap.
Cross have 9 (nine) Ulster titles and 6 (six) All-Ireland's . Surely if the Armagh championship is so crap they'd have been found out in either Ulster or the AI series.
They've won 40 armagh titles and 9 ulsters. Less then 25%.
They won those 9 in the last 16 years - do the maths son!
Anyone that puts shackles on Senan Kilbride will be more than half way to beating Brigids. Easier said than done when hes on his game though. But I'd say Cross would be well able to stop the supply to him.
Quote from: Syferus on November 27, 2012, 02:24:48 AM
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I don't mean to frighten the Ulster lads but not even an army of Jamie Clarkes could get by Cake.
Will you ever shut up with your oul sh1te >:(
Quote from: Rossfan on November 27, 2012, 10:48:33 AM
Quote from: Syferus on November 27, 2012, 02:24:48 AM
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I don't mean to frighten the Ulster lads but not even an army of Jamie Clarkes could get by Cake.
Will you ever shut up with your oul sh1te >:(
he has a bad dose
Quote from: Rossfan on November 27, 2012, 10:48:33 AM
Quote from: Syferus on November 27, 2012, 02:24:48 AM
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I don't mean to frighten the Ulster lads but not even an army of Jamie Clarkes could get by Cake.
Will you ever shut up with your oul sh1te >:(
Are you auditioning for Scrooge in the school play (you'll get by 6th class eventually, chin up) or does it just come naturally to you?
I suspect I had long left school before you even started going by the ráiméis you post here and on the Stolensheep ;D
Quote from: Rossfan on November 27, 2012, 03:46:21 PM
I suspect I had long left school before you even started going by the ráiméis you post here and on the Stolensheep ;D
Stay in school, kids!
Quote from: Syferus on November 27, 2012, 05:39:59 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 27, 2012, 03:46:21 PM
I suspect I had long left school before you even started going by the ráiméis you post here and on the Stolensheep ;D
Stay in school, kids!
Never mind the Crossmaglen/Kilcoo v Brigids, Rossfan v Syferus is where it's at! :D
I could see brigids winning this some year but whether this year or not i'm not sure.
You would expect cross to win but kilcoo there on merit so you never know.
Not sure how random people not from cross starting a thread makes cross arrogant mind you...
Personally i think cross are a great football team but can't warm to them so seeing another name on trophy wouldn't be a bad thing in my view.
Quote from: Cold tea on November 27, 2012, 08:10:48 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on November 26, 2012, 10:10:10 PM
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on November 26, 2012, 07:45:50 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on November 26, 2012, 06:02:28 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 26, 2012, 12:19:04 AM
INDIANA, nobody expects the same team to win it every year. History has shown that it doesn't happen. In saying that, every year there will be a favourite. For a number of years, that has been Crossmaglen.
Now, every year you come on here and say that Crossmaglen aren't great and conveniently "could be taken". You cannot be beaten as they will fall more years than not. It's like standing in the bookies and saying that the favourite will be beaten in every race. You will have more + than - but there is no money in that betting.
Therefore, instead of telling us who won't win it and feeling all smug when they don't, can you simply predict who will win it?
I can't predict because they aren't in the semi-final yet. Cross could learn a thing or two about respecting their opponents. You don't seem to realise you have to win your province to enter the all-ireland stages. PLenty of material on this thread for their opponents
The Armagh county championship is crap. They have to beat maybe 2 decent teams tow in it.
If Cross were in Dublin not a snowballs would they be going for 3 in a row.
This old chestnut again.
Keady have umpteen county hurling championships within Armagh, no Ulsters and no All-Ireland's . You are therefore at liberty to say that the Armagh hurling championship is crap.
Cross have 9 (nine) Ulster titles and 6 (six) All-Ireland's . Surely if the Armagh championship is so crap they'd have been found out in either Ulster or the AI series.
They've won 40 armagh titles and 9 ulsters. Less then 25%.
They won those 9 in the last 16 years - do the maths son!
Fair is fair I deserved that.
Sorry to be a bit dense, but can someone explain this competition please.
I was under the impression that each county provided a winner who then competed in a knock out system. Someone previously described it as being like the Champions League.
However the London winners appear to be playing Dr Crokes (Kerry)/Castlehaven (Cork) in a quarter final. So are they playing the Munster winners? I don't think Tir Chonaill Gaels have played a match since winning the London Championship.
Again sorry, but I'd like to understand what I'm watching!
QuoteHowever the London winners appear to be playing Dr Crokes (Kerry)/Castlehaven (Cork) in a quarter final. So are they playing the Munster winners? I don't think Tir Chonaill Gaels have played a match since winning the London Championship
The London winners alternate each year playing the winners of one of the Irish provinces. Logically they should be inserted into Munster or Connacht at an earlier stage, as the London "county" team is. The London champions have never won a game in this format, despite always having home advantage. They are very unlkely to beat Dr Crokes.
Ok, thanks. But how is the competition structured? If we arrive at province winners (4?). How to you get quarter finals? In the County Championship London play in Connaught, but in this Club Championship they appear to get a wild card. Still not sure I get it!
In this competition there are no quarter finals, except the one involving London. THe other provincial winners go into the semi-finals. This is straight knockout, no second chance, like the "good" old days.
Quote from: armaghniac on November 28, 2012, 10:15:41 PM
In this competition there are no quarter finals, except the one involving London. THe other provincial winners go into the semi-finals. This is straight knockout, no second chance, like the "good" old days.
Which is what Croke park should do again, this back door system is crap and holds the county up and spoils the season for the majority of club players!! Plus Antrim hurlers go straight into the semi finals for a change :o
The London champions rotate around all four provinces' champions for QFs over the course of four years. They played Brigids in December of last year in a QF.
I have to imagine there would be uproar if the London champions actually won a QF at some stage, the sheer effort it takes teams to win their provinces these days makes the London champions' placement in the last five incredibly unfair on everyone else. I'm guessing the financial pressures it'd put on a London club to compete in Connacht is the reasoning but it'd be a far better solution than what we have currently.
Maybe cutting out a few of the dangling carrots for intercounty players making summer trips would be in order so London GAA can build a pot up for the eventual London champions to actually compete and not simply be a token a addition.
Quote from: Man of Kent on November 28, 2012, 09:27:39 PM
Sorry to be a bit dense, but can someone explain this competition please.
I was under the impression that each county provided a winner who then competed in a knock out system. Someone previously described it as being like the Champions League.
However the London winners appear to be playing Dr Crokes (Kerry)/Castlehaven (Cork) in a quarter final. So are they playing the Munster winners? I don't think Tir Chonaill Gaels have played a match since winning the London Championship.
Again sorry, but I'd like to understand what I'm watching!
until 7 or 8 years ago the london champs would go into a british semi final and final, against lancashire and scottish champs etc. So the british champs then went into all ireland 1/4. Nearly all the time the london team would win it. This maybe changed when they brought in the all ireland junior and intermediate cups around 2004. Liverpool john mitches, who had won the senior lancashire cup, then won the british junior and got to all ireland junior final about 3 or 4 years ago
Does ANYBODY think that Kilcoo can beat Cross? I can't see Kilcoo getting any more than 10 points and defeat will be inevitable.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 28, 2012, 10:18:47 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on November 28, 2012, 10:15:41 PM
In this competition there are no quarter finals, except the one involving London. THe other provincial winners go into the semi-finals. This is straight knockout, no second chance, like the "good" old days.
Which is what Croke park should do again, this back door system is crap and holds the county up and spoils the season for the majority of club players!! Plus Antrim hurlers go straight into the semi finals for a change :o
A proper National fixtures schedule could see club and County Championships run in tandem over the best months of the year from May to September no matter what formats were used in either competitions or no matter what County team managers wanted either.
As for Antrim hurlers getting straight to semi finals -- -what were the scores in the Minor and U 21s that they got straight to this year???
Quote from: Syferus on November 28, 2012, 10:20:17 PM
The London champions rotate around all four provinces' champions for QFs over the course of four years. They played Brigids in December of last year in a QF.
I have to imagine there would be uproar if the London champions actually won a QF at some stage, the sheer effort it takes teams to win their provinces these days makes the London champions' placement in the last five incredibly unfair on everyone else. I'm guessing the financial pressures it'd put on a London club to compete in Connacht is the reasoning but it'd be a far better solution than what we have currently.
Maybe cutting out a few of the dangling carrots for intercounty players making summer trips would be in order so London GAA can build a pot up for the eventual London champions to actually compete and not simply be a token a addition.
Due to the larger number of games involved in winning leinster their champions never play a quarter final.
Quote from: Rossfan on November 29, 2012, 11:32:01 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 28, 2012, 10:18:47 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on November 28, 2012, 10:15:41 PM
In this competition there are no quarter finals, except the one involving London. THe other provincial winners go into the semi-finals. This is straight knockout, no second chance, like the "good" old days.
Which is what Croke park should do again, this back door system is crap and holds the county up and spoils the season for the majority of club players!! Plus Antrim hurlers go straight into the semi finals for a change :o
As for Antrim hurlers getting straight to semi finals -- -what were the scores in the Minor and U 21s that they got straight to this year???
Was in pure jest, what was the score the Rossie put up in theirs?
Football -
Our Minors lost the Qtr final v Kerry while our U21s reached the AIF.
Hurling -
Our U21s won the All Ireland while the Monirs had a bad day in the Final v Kerry.
I know you were jesting a little - but surely ye're minor and U 21 hurlers ( and Galways too) should be in the "Leinster" Championship same as Seniors.
As for Kilcoo - hard to see them beating Crossmaglen but they are from Down and may have the Down confidence or "swagger". However there wasn't much sign of swagger as the puked their way through the semi final.
Roll on February. This could be one of the games of the year.
Shaping up like 2 very good semi finals. I fancy Ballymun to beat Portlaoise and I would fancy a Cross v Crokes AI final.
Quote from: AFS on November 26, 2012, 04:27:36 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on November 25, 2012, 08:56:54 PM
Cross have been beaten by Vincents and Kilmacud Crokes in recent years. They are not invincible. Brigids have a lot of very good footballers and Cross haven't really been tested yet in my estimation. Here's me thinking they have an Ulster Final to play as well!!
Stretching the definition of recent there. The Vincents game was five years ago, ffs. At least half of that Cross team has been replaced.
I do think that Cross-Vincent's game from February 2008 would be a good template for other teams on how to beat Cross. Admittedly, some of that team has been replaced but their style of football has not changed massively over the years
Quote from: armaghniac on November 28, 2012, 09:34:18 PM
The London winners alternate each year playing the winners of one of the Irish provinces. Logically they should be inserted into Munster or Connacht at an earlier stage, as the London "county" team is.
Very true. Surely this has been proposed at some stage?
They might even do better as well. In Munster this year I reckon Tir Chonaill Gaels could have given Stradbally (Waterford), Castlehaven, Clonmel Commercials and the Limerick champs whose name escapes me a decent game. Crokes and KIB would probably be a cut above them.
Quote from: yellowcard on December 02, 2012, 06:03:27 PM
Shaping up like 2 very good semi finals. I fancy Ballymun to beat Portlaoise and I would fancy a Cross v Crokes AI final.
Fancy Portlaoise to beat Ballymun myself but I agree on your final pairing.
Quote from: catchandkick on December 03, 2012, 12:52:53 AM
Quote from: AFS on November 26, 2012, 04:27:36 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on November 25, 2012, 08:56:54 PM
Cross have been beaten by Vincents and Kilmacud Crokes in recent years. They are not invincible. Brigids have a lot of very good footballers and Cross haven't really been tested yet in my estimation. Here's me thinking they have an Ulster Final to play as well!!
Stretching the definition of recent there. The Vincents game was five years ago, ffs. At least half of that Cross team has been replaced.
I do think that Cross-Vincent's game from February 2008 would be a good template for other teams on how to beat Cross. Admittedly, some of that team has been replaced but their style of football has not changed massively over the years
Have to play them at their own game. Which is catch and kick and just go toe to toe. You won't beat them with a slow build up from the back. They'll have too many players back.
The other thing as well is you have to get ahead of them. Brigids match up very well to them and it should be a very good and close game.
Not sure. Vincent's played a very fast game and led from start to finish I think. Cross seemed to struggle to handle some speedsters in the Vincent's forward line. Crokes would have some similar operators - Looney is in the form of his life.
Senan K terrorised the Cross full-back line in the 2011 and he wasn't provided Hal enough of the ball he should have been by Brigids. I'd imagine Cross will be very hung ho about stopping him this time around but he's in far better form this year and the rest of the Brigids team outside Senan and Frankie have become far more comfortable and able to take their point; you can't simply nix one key player and call it a day now.
I can see some fantastic match-ups between both forward and back lines in this game. Both teams are very confident and I don't expect either to set up to play negatively, at least to the degree you can be positive and wily at the same time.
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And cross are a rival club to me, if they are beat next sunday I wouldn't care damn all, i don't go and support them, but i'd still rather see them win it than most other clubs, and at this stage I would say they will win it. But of course, every god has it's day and it can't go on forever.
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credit to cross they seem to eek out wins and are greater than the sum of their parts, i really thought maghery cruppen or the ogs would get them in Armagh but they didnt and since then have gone from strength to strength, as a south armagh man i have no love for them but i respect them for what tehy have achieved on the field of play
QuoteNot sure. Vincent's played a very fast game and led from start to finish I think. Cross seemed to struggle to handle some speedsters in the Vincent's forward line
The younger players in Cross now might well be better able for speed, e.g. Paul Hughes is not Francie Bellew or John Donaldson.
Quote from: catchandkick on December 03, 2012, 08:48:18 AM
Not sure. Vincent's played a very fast game and led from start to finish I think. Cross seemed to struggle to handle some speedsters in the Vincent's forward line. Crokes would have some similar operators - Looney is in the form of his life.
would say they struggled badly with pat gilroy at full forward. and we dominated midfield.
I dunno who the full back was yesterday but he's looks a hell of a player
Quote from: INDIANA on December 03, 2012, 10:45:14 PM
Quote from: catchandkick on December 03, 2012, 08:48:18 AM
Not sure. Vincent's played a very fast game and led from start to finish I think. Cross seemed to struggle to handle some speedsters in the Vincent's forward line. Crokes would have some similar operators - Looney is in the form of his life.
would say they struggled badly with pat gilroy at full forward. and we dominated midfield.
I dunno who the full back was yesterday but he's looks a hell of a player
Paul Kernan was full back and he is a solid player but he has ongoing issues with a dislocated shoulder which may rule him out of the AI semi final. He did have his hands full with Kilbride 2 years ago but Cross will need him fit for this game because they have a fairly small defence.
Saturday 16th Feb 2pm in Mullingar (Same venue as the 2007 AI semi-final between the two)
Quote from: ross4life on December 08, 2012, 03:19:23 PM
Saturday 16th Feb 2pm in Mullingar (Same venue as the 2007 AI semi-final between the two)
Jaysis the Gods are favouring Brigids with these 'neutral venues' with Cross! Kiltoom/Cam will be empty and so will half of Roscommon with it being so close by.
Quote from: Syferus on December 08, 2012, 05:34:04 PM
Quote from: ross4life on December 08, 2012, 03:19:23 PM
Saturday 16th Feb 2pm in Mullingar (Same venue as the 2007 AI semi-final between the two)
Jaysis the Gods are favouring Brigids with these 'neutral venues' with Cross! Kiltoom/Cam will be empty and so will half of Roscommon with it being so close by.
They'll need more than the gods help in this game!!
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 08, 2012, 08:20:13 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 08, 2012, 05:34:04 PM
Quote from: ross4life on December 08, 2012, 03:19:23 PM
Saturday 16th Feb 2pm in Mullingar (Same venue as the 2007 AI semi-final between the two)
Jaysis the Gods are favouring Brigids with these 'neutral venues' with Cross! Kiltoom/Cam will be empty and so will half of Roscommon with it being so close by.
They'll need more than the gods help in this game!!
Brigids have decent chance of a upset here they didn't fear Crossmaglen in 2007,2011 & they won't fear them next Feb. All the pressure is on Cross as they go for three in row the idle chat (like above) can sometimes bring down a team.
Brigids have more than proved their worth over the years sadly for some Brigids have beat one of the best ever club sides to earn that respect...
Quote from: ross4life on December 08, 2012, 09:14:58 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 08, 2012, 08:20:13 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 08, 2012, 05:34:04 PM
Quote from: ross4life on December 08, 2012, 03:19:23 PM
Saturday 16th Feb 2pm in Mullingar (Same venue as the 2007 AI semi-final between the two)
Jaysis the Gods are favouring Brigids with these 'neutral venues' with Cross! Kiltoom/Cam will be empty and so will half of Roscommon with it being so close by.
They'll need more than the gods help in this game!!
Brigids have decent chance of a upset here they didn't fear Crossmaglen in 2007,2011 & they won't fear them next Feb. All the pressure is on Cross as they go for three in row the idle chat (like above) can sometimes bring down a team.
Brigids have more than proved their worth over the years sadly for some Brigids have beat one of the best ever club sides to earn that respect...
They won't fear them that's a given, and had they have got their act together earlier in 2011 they could have beaten them, but this is the difference between being a good team and a brilliant team. I'd say the only time to beat Cross (I know the Dublin teams have beaten them) is in the early stages of the Armagh Championship if they were paired with one of the better teams in Armagh.
The year we got to the final and got beat by Salthill we drew Cargin in the first round at Casement, Cargin ran out 3/4 point winners, we were flat on our feet and didn't have the drive. Cargin trained hard leading up to that game, paid no attention to the league, meetings which isn't like them and concentrated on beating us. Point is this, once Cross get up and running it will take an exceptional team to win and they usually go on and win the All Ireland (except Errigal :o)
Brigids are an exceptional team, though. They'll have been targetting a likely AI semi-final with Cross ever Seinfeld the evening Garrycastle upset them and set back that meeting. I really believe man-for-man and coach-for-coach Brigids are Cross' equals now. The fact Brigids are completely consumed by finally winning the big one only makes it an even more interesting tie.
Give this game a fine day and I don't see how it will fail to be entraling.
Quote from: ross4life on December 08, 2012, 09:14:58 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 08, 2012, 08:20:13 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 08, 2012, 05:34:04 PM
Quote from: ross4life on December 08, 2012, 03:19:23 PM
Saturday 16th Feb 2pm in Mullingar (Same venue as the 2007 AI semi-final between the two)
Jaysis the Gods are favouring Brigids with these 'neutral venues' with Cross! Kiltoom/Cam will be empty and so will half of Roscommon with it being so close by.
They'll need more than the gods help in this game!!
Brigids have decent chance of a upset here they didn't fear Crossmaglen in 2007,2011 & they won't fear them next Feb. All the pressure is on Cross as they go for three in row the idle chat (like above) can sometimes bring down a team.
Brigids have more than proved their worth over the years sadly for some Brigids have beat one of the best ever club sides to earn that respect...
most teams in armagh don't fear them either, (from my own experience anyway) there's nothing scary about them except they are usually the better team on the day. But cross will likley win this one, is there any reason why st brigids would be favourites for this instead?
Most teams in Armagh are useless.
Cross don't prepare for the Armagh championship, they prepare for the provincial championship.
That's a huge advantage to have over the other county champions.
Quote from: Orchardman on December 09, 2012, 03:03:29 PM
Quote from: ross4life on December 08, 2012, 09:14:58 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 08, 2012, 08:20:13 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 08, 2012, 05:34:04 PM
Quote from: ross4life on December 08, 2012, 03:19:23 PM
Saturday 16th Feb 2pm in Mullingar (Same venue as the 2007 AI semi-final between the two)
Jaysis the Gods are favouring Brigids with these 'neutral venues' with Cross! Kiltoom/Cam will be empty and so will half of Roscommon with it being so close by.
They'll need more than the gods help in this game!!
Brigids have decent chance of a upset here they didn't fear Crossmaglen in 2007,2011 & they won't fear them next Feb. All the pressure is on Cross as they go for three in row the idle chat (like above) can sometimes bring down a team.
Brigids have more than proved their worth over the years sadly for some Brigids have beat one of the best ever club sides to earn that respect...
most teams in armagh don't fear them either, (from my own experience anyway) there's nothing scary about them except they are usually the better team on the day. But cross will likley win this one, is there any reason why st brigids would be favourites for this instead?
Did i say anywhere that Brigids should/would be favourites? sure according to MR2 they need more than gods help to win.
Quote from: Syferus on December 09, 2012, 02:59:49 PM
Brigids are an exceptional team, though.
They are an exceptional team within Roscommon and Connacht but that doesn't always translate into an exceptional team in national terms. Although they are obviously a very fine side. There is no dominant club within Galway or Mayo at present which probably helps them a little inside Connacht. They would want to try and make next year their year though because most teams (apart from Cross seemingly) have a limited shelf life at the top. Not easy to keep having to go back to the well each year.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on December 09, 2012, 03:48:17 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 09, 2012, 02:59:49 PM
Brigids are an exceptional team, though.
They are an exceptional team within Roscommon and Connacht but that doesn't always translate into an exceptional team in national terms. Although they are obviously a very fine side. There is no dominant club within Galway or Mayo at present which probably helps them a little inside Connacht. They would want to try and make next year their year though because most teams (apart from Cross seemingly) have a limited shelf life at the top. Not easy to keep having to go back to the well each year.
Corofin would have been 'dominant' if they'd scored two more points last November. It's not as if Brigids had been steamrolling the Mayo and Galway champions, indeed 'Tubber were fancying themselves for a Mayo three-in-a-row and that would have been hard to argue as being anything other than 'dominant'. I don't think the standard has played much of a role in Brigids success.
Brigids were a very good team in 2006, 2010 and 2011. They have went up a level this year, though, and now can look at the gold standard of club football (Cross) as something they overcomr.
The difference between Brigids in February and in November this year has been like night and day, the two Mc's have done a very impressive job at keeping a well-travelled Brigids panel fresh, making everyone comfortable on the ball and creating a pressure game that can unhinge any club in the country, Cross included.
The dangerous thing for Cross is that Brigids don't just want this, they believe they can do it. I think plenty of teams get obsessed with Cross being Cross rather than playing their own game, too many teams seem to over-gameplan and try to change the habits of their lifetimes to suit what they feel is their inescapable inferiority.
Brigids have the confidence in their own ability to not get so wrapped up in stopping Cross that they forget to make Cross try to stop them. That's what makes this such an exciting prospect.
Quote from: Syferus on December 09, 2012, 04:09:32 PM
. They have went up a level this year, .
Oh dear God !!!!
Have you not started learning grammar yet buckeen :D
Quote from: Jinxy on December 09, 2012, 03:19:46 PM
Most teams in Armagh are useless.
Cross don't prepare for the Armagh championship, they prepare for the provincial championship.
That's a huge advantage to have over the other county champions.
strange comment, which has nothing to do with my comment. Even though ur terrible post is a poor attempt at a wind up as the topic has been discussed on another thread I would imagine you know very little about armagh football.
Are most teams in meath rubbish? probably, as they never do anything in leinster
Quote from: Jinxy on December 09, 2012, 03:19:46 PM
Most teams in Armagh are useless.
Cross don't prepare for the Armagh championship, they prepare for the provincial championship.
That's a huge advantage to have over the other county champions.
For the love of God!!!
Quote from: Jinxy on December 09, 2012, 03:19:46 PM
Most teams in Armagh are useless.
Cross don't prepare for the Armagh championship, they prepare for the provincial championship.
That's a huge advantage to have over the other county champions.
I would say there are a right few boys in here who would know how Cross get ready for the Armagh Championship, I am pretty sure they just don't show up and decide they are going to win.
Here is the thing, they are the most prepared panel in Ireland over the past decade, that is what gives them an edge, they prepare for every challenge and they dont look ahead to games they might not even have to play in.
There are some very good teams in Armagh, you comments are stupid, wrong and lazy.
Quote from: Jinxy on December 09, 2012, 03:19:46 PM
Most teams in Armagh are useless.
Cross don't prepare for the Armagh championship, they prepare for the provincial championship.
That's a huge advantage to have over the other county champions.
Shh Jinxy.
Thats the elephant in the room we don't talk about
Quote from: Orchardman on December 09, 2012, 09:03:25 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on December 09, 2012, 03:19:46 PM
Most teams in Armagh are useless.
Cross don't prepare for the Armagh championship, they prepare for the provincial championship.
That's a huge advantage to have over the other county champions.
strange comment, which has nothing to do with my comment. Even though ur terrible post is a poor attempt at a wind up as the topic has been discussed on another thread I would imagine you know very little about armagh football.
Are most teams in meath rubbish? probably, as they never do anything in leinster
Pretty much.
Quote from: INDIANA on December 10, 2012, 12:17:25 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on December 09, 2012, 03:19:46 PM
Most teams in Armagh are useless.
Cross don't prepare for the Armagh championship, they prepare for the provincial championship.
That's a huge advantage to have over the other county champions.
Shh Jinxy.
Thats the elephant in the room we don't talk about
Except it's not an elephant in the room?
Cross usually get it tough within the county and in this amazing run have lost to Pearse Og and drawn with Cullyhanna, Dromintee and another team (possibly Killeavy?). They have also had a host of very narrow wins when they have managed to seucre victory in the final stages. This last two years the standards of the other teams in the county has dropped, admittedly, but anyone with this view must be very stupid.
It would be some achievement for Crossmaglen to win again considering they will be missing a few key players.
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 10, 2012, 09:42:27 AM
It would be some achievement for Crossmaglen to win again considering they will be missing a few key players.
Who are they missing now? They have done great so far, Kearnan should be back for the match, having been a sufferer of shoulder dislocations on many occassions he'll be back. It's a bollix of an injury but you never really think about it when playing (until it happens ffs) so I'd be surprised he's not playing.
Quote from: Syferus on December 09, 2012, 04:09:32 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on December 09, 2012, 03:48:17 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 09, 2012, 02:59:49 PM
Brigids are an exceptional team, though.
They are an exceptional team within Roscommon and Connacht but that doesn't always translate into an exceptional team in national terms. Although they are obviously a very fine side. There is no dominant club within Galway or Mayo at present which probably helps them a little inside Connacht. They would want to try and make next year their year though because most teams (apart from Cross seemingly) have a limited shelf life at the top. Not easy to keep having to go back to the well each year.
Corofin would have been 'dominant' if they'd scored two more points last November. It's not as if Brigids had been steamrolling the Mayo and Galway champions, indeed 'Tubber were fancying themselves for a Mayo three-in-a-row and that would have been hard to argue as being anything other than 'dominant'. I don't think the standard has played much of a role in Brigids success.
Brigids were a very good team in 2006, 2010 and 2011. They have went up a level this year, though, and now can look at the gold standard of club football (Cross) as something they overcomr.
The difference between Brigids in February and in November this year has been like night and day, the two Mc's have done a very impressive job at keeping a well-travelled Brigids panel fresh, making everyone comfortable on the ball and creating a pressure game that can unhinge any club in the country, Cross included.
The dangerous thing for Cross is that Brigids don't just want this, they believe they can do it. I think plenty of teams get obsessed with Cross being Cross rather than playing their own game, too many teams seem to over-gameplan and try to change the habits of their lifetimes to suit what they feel is their inescapable inferiority.
Brigids have the confidence in their own ability to not get so wrapped up in stopping Cross that they forget to make Cross try to stop them. That's what makes this such an exciting prospect.
Are you trying to suggest that they didn't believe in themselves in the AI Final or the AI semi final when we beat them? They are an excellent side and have every right to be confident but don't fill me with the Python-esque bullshit that "they
really believe in themselves this year!". Either they die dog or shite the licence and we won't know f**k all about that from either side till about 3.30pm on the 16th February.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 10, 2012, 02:41:51 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 09, 2012, 04:09:32 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on December 09, 2012, 03:48:17 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 09, 2012, 02:59:49 PM
Brigids are an exceptional team, though.
They are an exceptional team within Roscommon and Connacht but that doesn't always translate into an exceptional team in national terms. Although they are obviously a very fine side. There is no dominant club within Galway or Mayo at present which probably helps them a little inside Connacht. They would want to try and make next year their year though because most teams (apart from Cross seemingly) have a limited shelf life at the top. Not easy to keep having to go back to the well each year.
Corofin would have been 'dominant' if they'd scored two more points last November. It's not as if Brigids had been steamrolling the Mayo and Galway champions, indeed 'Tubber were fancying themselves for a Mayo three-in-a-row and that would have been hard to argue as being anything other than 'dominant'. I don't think the standard has played much of a role in Brigids success.
Brigids were a very good team in 2006, 2010 and 2011. They have went up a level this year, though, and now can look at the gold standard of club football (Cross) as something they overcomr.
The difference between Brigids in February and in November this year has been like night and day, the two Mc's have done a very impressive job at keeping a well-travelled Brigids panel fresh, making everyone comfortable on the ball and creating a pressure game that can unhinge any club in the country, Cross included.
The dangerous thing for Cross is that Brigids don't just want this, they believe they can do it. I think plenty of teams get obsessed with Cross being Cross rather than playing their own game, too many teams seem to over-gameplan and try to change the habits of their lifetimes to suit what they feel is their inescapable inferiority.
Brigids have the confidence in their own ability to not get so wrapped up in stopping Cross that they forget to make Cross try to stop them. That's what makes this such an exciting prospect.
Are you trying to suggest that they didn't believe in themselves in the AI Final or the AI semi final when we beat them? They are an excellent side and have every right to be confident but don't fill me with the Python-esque bullshit that "they really believe in themselves this year!". Either they die dog or shite the licence and we won't know f**k all about that from either side till about 3.30pm on the 16th February.
2007 was directly after their first ever Connacht title, 2011 was their first ever match at Croke Park, the club's first ever AI final.
I can tell you for a fact the mood in Kiltoom has very much changed over the last few years, as it should for a team that has won their province for three seasons back-to-back.
They didn't have the pedigree to feel like Cross' equals in 2007, nor probably the talent. In 2011 lack of experience still shadowed the club.
This season they dispatched Galway and Mayo away with ease, something they never did before. The Mc's made the very delibrate choice of not having any organised physical work with the squad this season, mindful of the fact they've been on the run pretty much non-stop since Summer 2010, and have focused on getting the ball in players' hands. Anyone who's seen Brigids this year as opposed to last can see how much more comfortable the whole panel is on the ball; full-backs think nothing of pouring forward and taking points, half-backs run down their channels and almost always know where their outlets are. They've done the things that sound simple but are incredibly hard for even inter-county teams to do right.
Likewise the Mc's have developed a serious panel this year, with Brigids hardly ever lining up with the same 15 two matches in a row and in this case it''s been a very good thing, there's about 20 players on the panel that consider themselves starters and that's something Brigids didn't have even last season. The fact the last two games did produce the same 15 indicates a team settling at exactly the right time.
There really has been a renewed determination in Kiltoom since the Garrycastle game, a game that could have lingered in the team's minds - they'd been dead set on getting a rematch with Cross after the 2011 final - but which seems to have driven them upwards rather than into decline.
Experience, record, players, whatever.
There's no excuse left now.
No questions have been answered on St Brigids since last year. Last year they were Connacht champions and then got beat. This year they are connacht champions as they were last year. They've done exactly the same so no-one will know any answers on them until after the cross match.
There is nothing, yet, to suggest they have moved upwards.
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 10, 2012, 04:51:29 PM
No questions have been answered on St Brigids since last year. Last year they were Connacht champions and then got beat. This year they are connacht champions as they were last year. They've done exactly the same so no-one will know any answers on them until after the cross match.
There is nothing, yet, to suggest they have moved upwards.
Lol
Shure we may as well give them th Cup now! I will not be involved in much on here in th build up to the game so I will let others fight the battle of the net. The reality is that nothing is decided at this stage and I won't comment on St Brigids as I habe seen very little of them. If you say they are stronger and better than when they played last time then I will take your word for it.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 10, 2012, 04:56:38 PM
Shure we may as well give them th Cup now! I will not be involved in much on here in th build up to the game so I will let others fight the battle of the net. The reality is that nothing is decided at this stage and I won't comment on St Brigids as I habe seen very little of them. If you say they are stronger and better than when they played last time then I will take your word for it.
I don't think I ever said they were definitely or even likely to win. I personally fancy them but it is almost sure to be an almighty battle if they do win.
Anyone that likes football has to like the look of this game.
Quote from: Syferus on December 10, 2012, 04:52:06 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 10, 2012, 04:51:29 PM
No questions have been answered on St Brigids since last year. Last year they were Connacht champions and then got beat. This year they are connacht champions as they were last year. They've done exactly the same so no-one will know any answers on them until after the cross match.
There is nothing, yet, to suggest they have moved upwards.
Lol
What so funny there that it made you laugh out loud?
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Brigids are an exceptional team, though.
They are an exceptional team within Roscommon and Connacht but that doesn't always translate into an exceptional team in national terms. Although they are obviously a very fine side. There is no dominant club within Galway or Mayo at present which probably helps them a little inside Connacht. They would want to try and make next year their year though because most teams (apart from Cross seemingly) have a limited shelf life at the top. Not easy to keep having to go back to the well each year.
Corofin would have been 'dominant' if they'd scored two more points last November. It's not as if Brigids had been steamrolling the Mayo and Galway champions, indeed 'Tubber were fancying themselves for a Mayo three-in-a-row and that would have been hard to argue as being anything other than 'dominant'. I don't think the standard has played much of a role in Brigids success.
Brigids were a very good team in 2006, 2010 and 2011. They have went up a level this year, though, and now can look at the gold standard of club football (Cross) as something they overcomr.
The difference between Brigids in February and in November this year has been like night and day, the two Mc's have done a very impressive job at keeping a well-travelled Brigids panel fresh, making everyone comfortable on the ball and creating a pressure game that can unhinge any club in the country, Cross included.
The dangerous thing for Cross is that Brigids don't just want this, they believe they can do it. I think plenty of teams get obsessed with Cross being Cross rather than playing their own game, too many teams seem to over-gameplan and try to change the habits of their lifetimes to suit what they feel is their inescapable inferiority.
Brigids have the confidence in their own ability to not get so wrapped up in stopping Cross that they forget to make Cross try to stop them. That's what makes this such an exciting prospect.
Are you trying to suggest that they didn't believe in themselves in the AI Final or the AI semi final when we beat them? They are an excellent side and have every right to be confident but don't fill me with the Python-esque bullshit that "they really believe in themselves this year!". Either they die dog or shite the licence and we won't know f**k all about that from either side till about 3.30pm on the 16th February.
This season they dispatched Galway and Mayo away with ease,
Jesus I know we're not great but we're not quite so bad yet that we're losing to club sides. ;D
And Syferus all this talk sounds suspiciously like a lot of what I heard prior to the Roscommon v Galway game a few months back. Sometimes less talk is good. Just saying.
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 10, 2012, 04:51:29 PM
No questions have been answered on St Brigids since last year. Last year they were Connacht champions and then got beat. This year they are connacht champions as they were last year. They've done exactly the same so no-one will know any answers on them until after the cross match.
There is nothing, yet, to suggest they have moved upwards.
Last year in Connacht Tourlestrane gave Brigids a tough game then in the Connacht final Brigids needed the rub of the green vs Corofin. Brigids weren't overly impressive v Fulham Irish & TBH before they faced their neighbours/cousins they didn't look like a team that could go on to win the All Ireland.
In Connacht this year no team has got within 7-8pts of Brigids & to win big games in Castlebar,Salthill comfortably was even more impressive. It's clear Brigids has improved from last year IMO Brigids in current form would beat Ballymun or Crokes but maybe that improvement isn't enough to beat Cross especially if the Armagh men have improved from last year?
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Brigids are an exceptional team, though.
They are an exceptional team within Roscommon and Connacht but that doesn't always translate into an exceptional team in national terms. Although they are obviously a very fine side. There is no dominant club within Galway or Mayo at present which probably helps them a little inside Connacht. They would want to try and make next year their year though because most teams (apart from Cross seemingly) have a limited shelf life at the top. Not easy to keep having to go back to the well each year.
Corofin would have been 'dominant' if they'd scored two more points last November. It's not as if Brigids had been steamrolling the Mayo and Galway champions, indeed 'Tubber were fancying themselves for a Mayo three-in-a-row and that would have been hard to argue as being anything other than 'dominant'. I don't think the standard has played much of a role in Brigids success.
Brigids were a very good team in 2006, 2010 and 2011. They have went up a level this year, though, and now can look at the gold standard of club football (Cross) as something they overcomr.
The difference between Brigids in February and in November this year has been like night and day, the two Mc's have done a very impressive job at keeping a well-travelled Brigids panel fresh, making everyone comfortable on the ball and creating a pressure game that can unhinge any club in the country, Cross included.
The dangerous thing for Cross is that Brigids don't just want this, they believe they can do it. I think plenty of teams get obsessed with Cross being Cross rather than playing their own game, too many teams seem to over-gameplan and try to change the habits of their lifetimes to suit what they feel is their inescapable inferiority.
Brigids have the confidence in their own ability to not get so wrapped up in stopping Cross that they forget to make Cross try to stop them. That's what makes this such an exciting prospect.
Are you trying to suggest that they didn't believe in themselves in the AI Final or the AI semi final when we beat them? They are an excellent side and have every right to be confident but don't fill me with the Python-esque bullshit that "they really believe in themselves this year!". Either they die dog or shite the licence and we won't know f**k all about that from either side till about 3.30pm on the 16th February.
This season they dispatched Galway and Mayo away with ease,
Jesus I know we're not great but we're not quite so bad yet that we're losing to club sides. ;D
And Syferus all this talk sounds suspiciously like a lot of what I heard prior to the Roscommon v Galway game a few months back. Sometimes less talk is good. Just saying.
I think I was proven right that Galway were incredibly average, I just expected us to be better than incredibly terrible. The great irony of the season was our win over Armagh was probably the best win of either team.
I don't think that fancying our chances was a particularly out-there call on the back of a Connacht title and two consecutive Connacht finals, not even the most bullish Galway supporter was tipping a hammering.
Brigids are an entirely different situation, though, and have already earnt their place in the top three teams in the country. Saying they'll be confident facing the champions isn't much of a stretch to make.
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Syferingus,
will you please do us all a favour and stop posting on this thread?
Then ask your mammy/Santa to get you some nice toys for Christmas.
Quote from: Rossfan on December 10, 2012, 09:01:40 PM
Syferingus,
will you please do us all a favour and stop posting on this thread?
Then ask your mammy/Santa to get you some nice toys for Christmas.
I think I'll just lock the topic every time I see you're online, actually.
Not sure about Galway, but the standard in Mayo has never been so low. (Club football) so instead of talking up Brigids after beating Ballagh' Rossies may do well to take this into consideration.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on December 10, 2012, 11:14:11 PM
Not sure about Galway, but the standard in Mayo has never been so low. (Club football) so instead of talking up Brigids after beating Ballagh' Rossies may do well to take this into consideration.
Mayo had a team in Ballintubber that wee being touted as potential Brigids killers only a couple months ago, only to be roundly beat by Ballagh. It's very easy to sit back after a failed season and explain it away by saying the standard in the county was poor, indeed the idea that standard in any county is that easy to judge is a simplification in the first place.
The sheer difference in performance between Brigids last year against Tourlestrane and Corofin and this year against Salthill and Ballagh was very noticeable. Salthill won a very competitive Galway championship and have to be considered on Corofin's level from last year, while even the most downwards facing Mayo man can hardly say Tourlestrane are a level above Ballagh.
Brigids beat Tourlestrane in an ugly and hard fought 0-16 to 0-10 win while they staged one of the greatest escapes in Connacht final history against Corofin, just barely deserving a single point win.
Brigids went to Salthill and became the first Roscommon team of any hue to record a victory in the re-developed stadium's history, walking through the 2006 All-Ireland champions with a deserved score-line of 0-15 to 0-08, pressurising Salthill into coughing up a ridiculous amount of possession. I don't think I need to go over the Connacht final as I'm sure you were either there or watched it on TV but needless to say it wasn't a squeaker.
If Brigids had only tacked on a few points more, maybe over-scored compared to their performances, then the idea of the opposition being weaker being a factor would perhaps be valid but the drop off was hardly as cliff-like as it'd need to be to explain how effectively Brigids dealt with teams in their own backyards this year.
Oh, and the irony of Ballina barely clinging onto their senior status and the club's two favourite sons the getting Brigids humming so well was one of the starkest juxtapositions of the year :-X
I have never read as many excuses regarding one teams failures over the years as I have just read here about St Brigids. By the sounds of it the All Ireland is theirs this year, no point in anyone else turning up. We know what usually happens teams that are built up without any real logic - they fall flat on their faces.
Only one individual building them up ad nauseam i.e the 11 year old Syferus.
The rest of us Rossies feel they have improved and that the new management has helped.
We hoe they have improved enough to win the AI semi and then the final.
We don't know if they have or haven't and we'll find out in February and hopefully in March too.
Meantime all us non Brigids Ros folk ( apart from the young gasúnín Syfín) are more concerned with how John Evans and Nigel Dineen will do with the Senior and U21 County teams who are the main focus of county wide interest.
We wish Brigids well and hope they win the AI but won't lose any slepp over it if they don't.
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 11, 2012, 09:53:41 AM
I have never read as many excuses regarding one teams failures over the years as I have just read here about St Brigids. By the sounds of it the All Ireland is theirs this year, no point in anyone else turning up. We know what usually happens teams that are built up without any real logic - they fall flat on their faces.
You'd want to learn to read if you're finding excuses in anything I said. The amount of times I see people on this board completely miss the point and fire off a silly emotional post that has nothing to do with the discussion is unreal.
Cross were the better team in 2007 and 2011, simple as.
My whole point is that anyone thinks this will be anything less than a war doesn't know how much Brigids have come on this season. Evidently you seem to feel you know better about teams you probably have barely seen, so continue your diatribe.
Oh, and Rossfan, you're not the mouthpiece for anyone, much less your county, so spare us the 'we'.
I don't think anyone thinks an all ireland semi final is gonna be anything less than a 'war', most of us i would imagine just expect cross to win by 2-3 points. Which they probably will, but every dog has it's day.
Brigid's have had two goes at Cross by this stage and have come up short. Renewed hunger won't be enough to beat Cross this time, Cross have that in bucketloads themselves. The only way to beat Cross is a very fast, direct game and basically pure football. If Brigids either slow it down or think they can outmuscle Cross they'll be beaten like every other side who've gone down the same path.
Rossies had their bit of fun at Armagh's expense last summer, no more shocks!
Quote from: Armamike on December 11, 2012, 08:43:02 PM
Brigid's have had two goes at Cross by this stage and have come up short. Renewed hunger won't be enough to beat Cross this time, Cross have that in bucketloads themselves. The only way to beat Cross is a very fast, direct game and basically pure football. If Brigids either slow it down or think they can outmuscle Cross they'll be beaten like every other side who've gone down the same path.
Which is exactly what Brigids
don't do. Plenty of teams have tried to do just that to Brigids and ended up wrecked at the end of the day.
Both these teams are set up very similarly in how they approach games, they're experienced and aren't afraid to be physical but their game is based on far more than that.
Indeed to say Brigids plan would ever be to out-muscle an opponent is a complete mis-reading of the situation - they haven't done a minute of physical training all year, everything has been focused toward getting the ball in their hands and making every player feel comfortable with the ball in hand and knowing where their outlets are. Both teams have the talent to plain out-play opponents when their opportunities arise, and that's the main reason they both find themselves in an AISF.
Not even a minute?
Quote from: Syferus on December 11, 2012, 09:26:54 PM
Quote from: Armamike on December 11, 2012, 08:43:02 PM
Brigid's have had two goes at Cross by this stage and have come up short. Renewed hunger won't be enough to beat Cross this time, Cross have that in bucketloads themselves. The only way to beat Cross is a very fast, direct game and basically pure football. If Brigids either slow it down or think they can outmuscle Cross they'll be beaten like every other side who've gone down the same path.
Which is exactly what Brigids don't do. Plenty of teams have tried to do just that to Brigids and ended up wrecked at the end of the day.
Both these teams are set up very similarly in how they approach games, they're experienced and aren't afraid to be physical but their game is based on far more than that.
Indeed to say Brigids plan would ever be to out-muscle an opponent is a complete mis-reading of the situation - they haven't done a minute of physical training all year, everything has been focused toward getting the ball in their hands and making every player feel comfortable with the ball in hand and knowing where their outlets are. Both teams have the talent to plain out-play opponents when their opportunities arise, and that's the main reason they both find themselves in an AISF.
Im sorry Syferus but I cant let you continue to spout nonsense about St. Brigids, you clearly know nothing about them or their training methods. How many times have you seen Brigids train this year?
I have seen them train about a dozen times and apart from the sessions within a couple of weeks of a championship match, all the other sessions involved around a half hour of physical work. So please refrain from posting rubbish about a topic and a team you clearly know nothing about!
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Quote from: Armamike on December 11, 2012, 08:43:02 PM
Brigid's have had two goes at Cross by this stage and have come up short. Renewed hunger won't be enough to beat Cross this time, Cross have that in bucketloads themselves. The only way to beat Cross is a very fast, direct game and basically pure football. If Brigids either slow it down or think they can outmuscle Cross they'll be beaten like every other side who've gone down the same path.
Which is exactly what Brigids don't do. Plenty of teams have tried to do just that to Brigids and ended up wrecked at the end of the day.
Both these teams are set up very similarly in how they approach games, they're experienced and aren't afraid to be physical but their game is based on far more than that.
Indeed to say Brigids plan would ever be to out-muscle an opponent is a complete mis-reading of the situation - they haven't done a minute of physical training all year, everything has been focused toward getting the ball in their hands and making every player feel comfortable with the ball in hand and knowing where their outlets are. Both teams have the talent to plain out-play opponents when their opportunities arise, and that's the main reason they both find themselves in an AISF.
You referred to Cross being in a 'war' with Brigids which seemed to me you were suggesting a physical approach by Brigids. Brigids dont need to go to war, they just need to outfootball Cross, the way the Dublin sides did a few years back. I havent seen them this year so i don't know if theyre capable of that.
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Quote from: Syferus on December 11, 2012, 09:26:54 PM
Quote from: Armamike on December 11, 2012, 08:43:02 PM
Brigid's have had two goes at Cross by this stage and have come up short. Renewed hunger won't be enough to beat Cross this time, Cross have that in bucketloads themselves. The only way to beat Cross is a very fast, direct game and basically pure football. If Brigids either slow it down or think they can outmuscle Cross they'll be beaten like every other side who've gone down the same path.
Which is exactly what Brigids don't do. Plenty of teams have tried to do just that to Brigids and ended up wrecked at the end of the day.
Both these teams are set up very similarly in how they approach games, they're experienced and aren't afraid to be physical but their game is based on far more than that.
Indeed to say Brigids plan would ever be to out-muscle an opponent is a complete mis-reading of the situation - they haven't done a minute of physical training all year, everything has been focused toward getting the ball in their hands and making every player feel comfortable with the ball in hand and knowing where their outlets are. Both teams have the talent to plain out-play opponents when their opportunities arise, and that's the main reason they both find themselves in an AISF.
You referred to Cross being in a 'war' with Brigids which seemed to me you were suggesting a physical approach by Brigids. Brigids dont need to go to war, they just need to outfootball Cross, the way the Dublin sides did a few years back. I havent seen them this year so i don't know if theyre capable of that.
All I meant by war is it'll be an incredibly closely-fought game. Unless tempers flair I don't expect it to spill over into anything like the Cross-Garrycastle match this year.
I just feel the teams match up remarkably well, for every Osin there's a Frankie, for every Senan Kilbride there's a Jamie Clarke (or Peter Domican if we're talking about potential match-ups), for every Aaron Kernan there's an Ian Kilbride and so on. Both teams have exceptional strength in depth.
Even Brigids' tactics this year have leaned much more towards incisive kick-passing and the pressure they exert in defense and in the middle reminds me of only one other club team - Cross.
If the two teams play to their abilities it will probably be the game of the tournament.
For me Dr. Crokes are Crossmaglen's biggest threat for the 3 in a row. The ability and movement of their forwards is a delight to behold. This is a team that has completed a 3 in a row of their own of county titles this year bettering all the south Kerrys etc. Their midfield is strong also and if Brosnan is back at 6 will be good up the centre of defense.
Alright lads, only a week to go to the resumption of GAABoard's newest and most anger-filled (good work, Rosfan) rivalry, Sheep v Apples.
We'll ate ye alive.
Are St Brigids rivals to Cross? Are Finn Harps rivals to Real Madrid?
Quote from: armaghniac on February 09, 2013, 01:42:18 AM
Are St Brigids rivals to Cross? Are Finn Harps rivals to Real Madrid?
Are you going to take a wee gamble (ah, sorry Osin) on that, 'niac?
Sheeplovers by 3. Too many miles on our legs starting to show in challenge matches. Niggly injuries building. Rossies have a bigger point to prove too so their motivation will be immense.
Quote from: Syferus on December 12, 2012, 01:08:52 AM
Quote from: Armamike on December 12, 2012, 12:12:39 AM
Quote from: Syferus on December 11, 2012, 09:26:54 PM
Quote from: Armamike on December 11, 2012, 08:43:02 PM
Brigid's have had two goes at Cross by this stage and have come up short. Renewed hunger won't be enough to beat Cross this time, Cross have that in bucketloads themselves. The only way to beat Cross is a very fast, direct game and basically pure football. If Brigids either slow it down or think they can outmuscle Cross they'll be beaten like every other side who've gone down the same path.
Which is exactly what Brigids don't do. Plenty of teams have tried to do just that to Brigids and ended up wrecked at the end of the day.
Both these teams are set up very similarly in how they approach games, they're experienced and aren't afraid to be physical but their game is based on far more than that.
Indeed to say Brigids plan would ever be to out-muscle an opponent is a complete mis-reading of the situation - they haven't done a minute of physical training all year, everything has been focused toward getting the ball in their hands and making every player feel comfortable with the ball in hand and knowing where their outlets are. Both teams have the talent to plain out-play opponents when their opportunities arise, and that's the main reason they both find themselves in an AISF.
You referred to Cross being in a 'war' with Brigids which seemed to me you were suggesting a physical approach by Brigids. Brigids dont need to go to war, they just need to outfootball Cross, the way the Dublin sides did a few years back. I havent seen them this year so i don't know if theyre capable of that.
All I meant by war is it'll be an incredibly closely-fought game. Unless tempers flair I don't expect it to spill over into anything like the Cross-Garrycastle match this year.
I just feel the teams match up remarkably well, for every Osin there's a Frankie, for every Senan Kilbride there's a Jamie Clarke (or Peter Domican if we're talking about potential match-ups), for every Aaron Kernan there's an Ian Kilbride and so on. Both teams have exceptional strength in depth.
Even Brigids' tactics this year have leaned much more towards incisive kick-passing and the pressure they exert in defense and in the middle reminds me of only one other club team - Cross.
If the two teams play to their abilities it will probably be the game of the tournament.
Oisin has contributed more to club football than probably any player. When the going gets tough you can count on him and he has shown this on many occassions. Frankie dolan is no doubt gifted but a poor man's oisin.
Kilbride not close to aaron kernan either. Not remotely in fact as aaron kernan up there with the better club players too.
So i wouldn't agree with either of those match ups and your third one not so much so either.
I would like to see brigids win but they have it all to prove on this stage.
It's not what you've done that matters, it's what you are now.
Right now there is just about nothing between these two teams in talent or squad depth.
Will be very surprised if St Brigids trouble Cross. I heard that Cross beat Kildare in a challenge match last week and have been doing serious training. Think Cross will win this game but I actually fancy Dr Crokes to win the title.
Quote from: Syferus on February 09, 2013, 03:50:32 PM
It's not what you've done that matters, it's what you are now.
Right now there is just about nothing between these two teams in talent or squad depth.
Before a match you can only judge a team and it's players on what they've done.
What is going to happen is an unknown.
Brigids are good but come these stages they've always disappointed. There's nothing to suggest anything different.
You base what you say on a run through connacht. They have won connacht before but never beat cross.
I would like to see them win to be honest but in the here and now brigids have not done it at this level with similar squads of players and cross have with the same squad.
Quote from: yellowcard on February 09, 2013, 03:52:23 PM
Will be very surprised if St Brigids trouble Cross. I heard that Cross beat Kildare in a challenge match last week and have been doing serious training. Think Cross will win this game but I actually fancy Dr Crokes to win the title.
Kildare juniors and its the first challenge they've won out of 3
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Quote from: yellowcard on February 09, 2013, 03:52:23 PM
Will be very surprised if St Brigids trouble Cross. I heard that Cross beat Kildare in a challenge match last week and have been doing serious training. Think Cross will win this game but I actually fancy Dr Crokes to win the title.
Kildare juniors and its the first challenge they've won out of 3
Oh dear. Not the awesome Kildare juniors.
Can Brigid's just forefit the match now?
Quote from: armaghniac on February 09, 2013, 01:42:18 AM
Are St Brigids rivals to Cross? Are Finn Harps rivals to Real Madrid?
Would Finn Harps get within 1 score of Real Madrid twice?
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on February 09, 2013, 10:54:59 AM
Sheeplovers by 3. Too many miles on our legs starting to show in challenge matches. Niggly injuries building. Rossies have a bigger point to prove too so their motivation will be immense.
The good auld poor mouth won't wash with many, i'd say you probably have hotel booked for St Paddys weekend in Dublin already. Cross have brought in plenty of new faces over the years the desire to succeed/will to win has them ahead of the rest. St Brigids have been written off again everyone is talking about the Cross v Crokes final isn't it nice to go into semi final under the radar, Brigids are expected to lose won't be much said or written (apart from Syferus) if they do but if the unstoppable,immovable,unbeatable force that is Crossmaglen were to lose to club team from Roscommon...
Quote from: yellowcard on February 09, 2013, 03:52:23 PM
Will be very surprised if St Brigids trouble Cross. I heard that Cross beat Kildare in a challenge match last week and have been doing serious training. Think Cross will win this game but I actually fancy Dr Crokes to win the title.
Be prepared to be surprised then. I heard that challenge game was against Kildare U21s. IMO Cross will make it three in row after another tough battle with Brigids also don't be surprised if Ballymun pull off a shock.
I would read nothing into the Kildare game, it was a mixture of u21s and subs on the senior panel who didn't play on the previous day in a senior game. It was one of those games too where the management were bringing on and off and there was very little continuity in things. The game where they were beaten by QUB was a better assessment of where we are at.
Ross4life,I'm not doing the poor mouth,simply stating it as I see it. We are undoubtedly favourites and rightly so but when the ball is thrown in all bets are off as the saying goes. The key area will undoubtedly be midfield as both teams have serious quality in the forward lines who could cause damage if they get quality ball in. The team who gets most return from the middle 8 wins.Kick outs will be key as will the break ball as both teams have equally capable midfields.
Brigids have to win this . No point in emulating Clann na nGael.
I hope Cross win, but non-Cross Armagh wans weighing in as though they're born & bred Rangers is a bit annoying. I'd imagine it'll be fierce tight with a bit of luck required to get over the line.
Quote from: bennydorano on February 10, 2013, 12:36:41 PM
I hope Cross win, but non-Cross Armagh wans weighing in as though they're born & bred Rangers is a bit annoying. I'd imagine it'll be fierce tight with a bit of luck required to get over the line.
Not a born and brd Ranger but an Armaghman and very very proud of the Rangers and all they have achieved.
Cross & Crokes double...
£50 for £110 back... very tempting!
Did the dominance of cross bring down the overall standard of the county team or are the 2 things unrelated?
Quote from: seafoid on February 10, 2013, 09:56:29 PM
Did the dominance of cross bring down the overall standard of the county team or are the 2 things unrelated?
When you don't have access to players from your best club by some margin it obviously hurts the county team. You don't even have access to your full panel until the league and in counties without massive playing resources it's going to effect things even more. Some of the Cross and Brigid's players have hardly had even a few weeks away from football in three or more years.
Quote from: bennydorano on February 10, 2013, 12:36:41 PM
I hope Cross win, but non-Cross Armagh wans weighing in as though they're born & bred Rangers is a bit annoying. I'd imagine it'll be fierce tight with a bit of luck required to get over the line.
That's a bit like Syferus and his obsession with all things St. Brigids.
Quote from: bennydorano on February 10, 2013, 12:36:41 PM
I hope Cross win, but non-Cross Armagh wans weighing in as though they're born & bred Rangers is a bit annoying. I'd imagine it'll be fierce tight with a bit of luck required to get over the line.
As an Armagh man I greatly admire what Cross have acheived but I know of plenty of fellas who would support Cross yet wouldn't be seen at a match involving their own club. Bandwagon springs to mind.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 10, 2013, 10:14:20 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on February 10, 2013, 12:36:41 PM
I hope Cross win, but non-Cross Armagh wans weighing in as though they're born & bred Rangers is a bit annoying. I'd imagine it'll be fierce tight with a bit of luck required to get over the line.
That's a bit like Syferus and his obsession with all things St. Brigids.
Who said I'm not St. Brigid's? :-*
How have Mayo clubs been doing lately, actually? Y'know, the ones that are
in Mayo?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 10, 2013, 10:14:20 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on February 10, 2013, 12:36:41 PM
I hope Cross win, but non-Cross Armagh wans weighing in as though they're born & bred Rangers is a bit annoying. I'd imagine it'll be fierce tight with a bit of luck required to get over the line.
That's a bit like Syferus and his obsession with all things St. Brigids.
I presumed he was a Brigid's man the way he goes on about them? At least I hope he is.
Quote from: yellowcard on February 10, 2013, 10:15:47 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on February 10, 2013, 12:36:41 PM
I hope Cross win, but non-Cross Armagh wans weighing in as though they're born & bred Rangers is a bit annoying. I'd imagine it'll be fierce tight with a bit of luck required to get over the line.
As an Armagh man I greatly admire what Cross have acheived but I know of plenty of fellas who would support Cross yet wouldn't be seen at a match involving their own club. Bandwagon springs to mind.
The 'Glory years' created a new beast, Armagh supporters who cared little for or even acknowledged club football. I suppose Cross's phenomenal success appeals to a lot of the same demographic.
Quote from: Syferus on February 10, 2013, 10:27:54 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 10, 2013, 10:14:20 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on February 10, 2013, 12:36:41 PM
I hope Cross win, but non-Cross Armagh wans weighing in as though they're born & bred Rangers is a bit annoying. I'd imagine it'll be fierce tight with a bit of luck required to get over the line.
That's a bit like Syferus and his obsession with all things St. Brigids.
Who said I'm not St. Brigid's? :-*
How have Mayo clubs been doing lately, actually? Y'know, the ones that are in Mayo?
I seem to recall Crossmolina winning an all Ireland and not just talking about it ! And they didn 't need 3 goes either .
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on February 11, 2013, 03:13:20 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 10, 2013, 10:14:20 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on February 10, 2013, 12:36:41 PM
I hope Cross win, but non-Cross Armagh wans weighing in as though they're born & bred Rangers is a bit annoying. I'd imagine it'll be fierce tight with a bit of luck required to get over the line.
That's a bit like Syferus and his obsession with all things St. Brigids.
I presumed he was a Brigid's man the way he goes on about them? At least I hope he is.
He's a 13 year old bandwagon jumper from over near the rhubarb border ;)
Last year he was supporting the rhus in the Football Final and Galway in the Hurling Final - now it's Brigids.
I hope Brigs can do it being from Ros and would like to see them go all the way and take the cup home.
However as I'm not from their club area(s) I won't be losing any sleep if they don't.
Quote from: seafoid on February 11, 2013, 06:23:47 PM
Quote from: Syferus on February 10, 2013, 10:27:54 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 10, 2013, 10:14:20 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on February 10, 2013, 12:36:41 PM
I hope Cross win, but non-Cross Armagh wans weighing in as though they're born & bred Rangers is a bit annoying. I'd imagine it'll be fierce tight with a bit of luck required to get over the line.
That's a bit like Syferus and his obsession with all things St. Brigids.
Who said I'm not St. Brigid's? :-*
How have Mayo clubs been doing lately, actually? Y'know, the ones that are in Mayo?
I seem to recall Crossmolina winning an all Ireland and not just talking about it ! And they didn 't need 3 goes either .
Also, Ballina won it not that long ago, 2006 I believe, so in fairness Mayo clubs have a slightly better record that Roscommon clubs when it comes to actually winning it. Anyway, this has the feeling of being the Rossies year but I hopenot obviously.
Ah brokencrossbar, once you've won six All-Irelands you can't big up the opposition and expect to get even Rosfan to believe you. You should embrace the Cats' evil empire attitude and go on the offensive.
Anyways...
There any news on the Cross team? Brigid's will probably name the same team as against Ballagh barring injury, with Cake being the only question mark though that's not even news at this point.
Mark O'Caroll, a midfielder who suffered a horrible injury playing against London for the county in 2010, has made his way back into playing shape and may make the match-day cut if all goes well. I think any Rossie would be happy to see him come on if he's able.
I will have to support Cross as Kevin McStay does my head on on The Sunday Game 8)
Couldnt be bothered checking but where is the match? is it on tv? and what time?
Quote from: Onion Bag on February 12, 2013, 04:23:20 PM
Couldnt be bothered checking but where is the match? is it on tv? and what time?
Mullingar,TG4 2pm.
what are the parking facilities like around the pitch
St. Brigid's cross Rangers for the third time
Roscommon and Connacht champions St Brigid's will cross swords with reigning Ulster and All Ireland Champions Crossmaglen Rangers for the third time when the sides meet on Saturday Feb 16th at 2-00pm in Mullingar.
It was at Saturday's venue Cusack Park back in February 2007 when the teams first met when a Mickey McNamee goal separated them at the final whistle 1-11 to 0-11. Four years later in the final at Croke Park on St Patrick's Day Cross completed the double over the Connacht champions winning 2-11 to 1-11. Only a kick-of the ball between the two in their previous clashes and there is nothing to suggest that a repeat is not on the cards for the third time.
Once through to their third Armagh final in a row Cross became a new breed of animal from their stuttering stop start previous championship performances in reaching the final. Pearse Óg, the only team to beat them in the Armagh championship in the last 17 years were the Final opponents but a two goal salvo from Jamie Clarke and a third from Tony Kernan put the City side away 3-09 to 0-11. With the first hurdle in the defence of their triple crown safely tucked away Cross faced Donegal champions Naomh Adhamhnáin to commence their Ulster campaign. Goals from Aaron Kernan, Kyle Carragher and Paul Grant eased Rangers to a 3-11 to 1-07 win and a place in the Semi Final. Rangers nemesis Tyrone champions Errigal Ciarán were next up but goals from team captain David McKenna and Jamie Clarke put the bogey to rest 2-10 to 0-10 and set up a showdown with first time finalists Down champions Kilcoo.
A third Ulster title in a row for Crossmaglen Rangers was overshadowed by proven racism allegations against Kilcoo players and a supporter. This outrageous occurrence took the gloss off what was at first a glittering performance from the Champions that turned into a dogfight in the end as they recovered with 13 men to see off a stirring Kilcoo fightback. Semi Final goal hero of 2007 Mickey McNamee will have to sit out Saturday's match following his red card against Kilcoo.
St. Brigid's, the current kingpins of Roscommon football underlined this with their third Championship in a row following a Frankie Dolan show as he grabbed 2-4 in a 2-08 to 0-09 win over Pádraig Pearses. This was the Kiltoom and Cam outfits second hat-trick of County titles having won in 2005/06/07 and set them on the road in search of another treble of Connacht titles. A 15 point win over Leitrim champions Melvin Gaels with goals from Gearoid Cunniffe and Eddie Egan in their 2-19 to 0-10 victory. An away trip to Pearse Park against former All Ireland Champions was negotiated with no goals scored or conceded as they beat the Galway outfit 0-15 to 0-08 to set up a most unusual all Roscommon Connacht final. Brigid's opponents were Ballaghaderreen which is in Co Roscommon but they play their football across in Mayo. At McHale Park, Castlebar St. Brigid's became only the second ever team to achieve the feat of three in a row (Clan Na Gael, Roscommon won six in a row in the 80's) with a 1-12 to 0-06 win and the goalscorer was Senan Kilbride.
New management add spice and changes to contest
The Roscommon side have shown their mettle and desire to become the first team from the County to win the All Ireland Club by re-grouping after the painful All Ireland Semi Final defeat to near neighbours Garrycastle of Westmeath 1-11 to 1-09. That defeat saw Kiltoom man Noel O'Brien relinquished control of team affairs. It is under the guidance of new management that St Brigid's are back on the trail of All Ireland glory managed by former Mayo star Kevin McStay. The former All-Star and The Sunday Game pundit immediately enlisted the help of fellow club and county player Liam McHale, his brother-in-law. All-Star McHale featured on the Ballina Stephenites team beaten in the 1999 All-Ireland final 0-09 to 0-08. Liam, a noted basketball player, takes the physical side of training with St Brigid's with the Mayo duo joined by Benny O'Brien, who is currently a selector with the Offaly U21 football team.
The new management team met with instant success as McStay picked up his second Roscommon title having managed Roscommon Gaels to glory in 2004. McStay leading St Brigid's to a fourth Connacht title meant something special to players Niall Grehan, Frankie Dolan, Senan Kilbride and Karol Mannion – the only four players to have started in the club's four Connacht triumphs. Brigid's also lost two Connacht finals in 2005 (to Salthill) and 2007 ironically to Ballina Stephenites. The new management's previous history with Crossmaglen Rangers coupled with that of their new charges adds a little more spice to an already eagerly awaited contest.
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The Roscommon champions under their new regime showed 6 changes on their team that won the Connacht title from the team that started the 2011 All Ireland against Cross. Goalkeeper Philip Martin, defenders Robbie Kelly and David Sheehy along with forwards Cathal and Conor McHugh and David Nolan were replaced in that final by Shane Curran (keeper), Ronan Stack, Damien Kelleher, Johnny Murray, Garvan Dolan and Richard Blaine. This shows that management were not going to rest on the previous team's laurels and press ahead with their own style of play in a bid to become their first Roscommon team to lift the Andy Merrigan Cup.
Champions Crossmaglen have undergone a few changes since the teams last met with defenders Danny O'Callaghan (back in contention), Stephen Finnegan and forward Francis Hanratty absent replaced by Paul Hughes and Martin Aherne in defence and Kyle Carragher in attack.
Veterans to the fore
For both teams it has been the case that it is their veterans who have been keeping them ticking over on the scoreboard. St Brigid's have scored 3-46 in their 3 Connacht outings with 1-28 coming from vastly experienced full forward duo Frankie Dolan (0-16) and Senan Kilbride (1-12).
While Liam McHale patrols the sidelines on Saturday he will be looking on with envy as two players who played against him in the Ballina defeat Paul Hearty and Oisín McConville although laden down with medals will be as keen and hungry as anyone to lead their team to more glory. Oisín is Rangers top scorer with 1-11 from 3 Ulster outings.
While the veterans may be to the fore when it comes to scoring it is the help that they have been getting from all over the field that keeps the success ratio for both teams ticking over into domination in their respective Championships. The big question facing both camps is will they be tempted to make changes.
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The Champions main concern surrounds the well being of full back Paul Kernan who came off in the Ulster final with a recurrence of a shoulder injury that has plagued him since injury against St Gall's in 2011. Paul was replaced in that Kilcoo game by Danny O'Callaghan who had missed out on the 2012 Championship campaign because he was in Australia (but not getting on like the eejits on the Australia thread whilst there). Danny, the regular centre back on the two previous All Ireland winning teams, is pushing hard to get his starting berth back. Paul's eldest brother Stephen a talisman in attack came off early in the Ulster Final but is expected to be fit to resume his centre forward duties.
To include or not include the two McHugh's , Cathal and Conor in the forwards from the off is the poser for Brigid's. With folk hero Frankie Dolan recovering from a bout of pneumonia will they gamble with him from the off or use him as an impact sub later if required. McStay, an experienced campaigner both on and off the field, will make the right calls and will have his homework done on the Rangers.
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Cross being Cross though, having your homework done, does not mean that you will pass the exam. Crossmaglen Rangers have proven to be the best club side ever for a reason- they produce proven match winners from all over the field and often the unlikeliest of sources. Brigid's neighbours Garrycastle found out in the All Ireland replay who Franny Hanratty was all too late when he had scored 2 goals against them. Ominous for all concerned Rangers have a few more not so household names in reserve who are very close to the starting 15. It is this endless stream of young talent that keeps the pressure on the men in possession of the jersey that keeps Cross a step ahead of the rest. Success breeds success as St Brigid's themselves can rightly testify also.
Numerous Key Encounters
Given the pedigree of the two teams it is easy to speculate that they will be numerous key encounters in all sectors of the field which could have a big factor in determining the outcome. Who will get the respective man marking duties on Dolan & Kilbride at one end and Clarke & McConville at the opposite end? How will the midfield pairings match –up? Will Brigid's try to curb the influence of Aaron Kernan? These are but a few of the mouth-watering prospects that await us in what from the outset will be a very tactical affair.
As far as man marking is concerned Cross have two of the best in the business in Paul McKeown and James Morgan. The duo have faced some of the best forwards in the country with height, weight advantage, reputations not phasing this duo, who can mix it and play ball whichever style of play you want to adopt. Will Ronan Stack and Johnny Murray prove as effective in curtailing Jamie and Oisín. Young Paul Hughes at corner back in his debut Championship season has been a revelation and has weighed in with 2 points for good measure. The versatile Martin Aherne has been used as a half back but is equally at home in the half forward line. Martin took over from Stephen Finnegan who is currently in the Armagh squad but off the Cross panel. Aherne's attacking instincts along with those of fellow wing back Aaron Kernan have contributed greatly to the Rangers cause. Aaron in particular is the key link between midfield and attack and his presence on the ball spells danger for any team.
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The midfield area is always critical and on Saturday there should be a tremendous battle for possession in this sector. Rangers Captain David McKenna and midfield powerhouse Johnny Hanratty will have their hands full up against the experienced duo of Karol Mannion and Ian Kilbride. The Rangers skipper has been known to drop back into defence when the pressure comes on while his partner puts in a full shift bursting forward with the same intensity be it the first or last minute. Over the course of the hour the Cross boys are very rarely outplayed.
Difference between the teams
For me the difference between Saturday's opponents lies in their respective forward lines and what they can spring from the bench. Both teams have had 13 different scorers to get to this stage of the competition but Cross have hit the onion bag 8 times as opposed to 3 for Brigid's. Will the Brigid's defence, still to concede a goal since winning the Roscommon title, be able to keep 41 year -old Sean "cake" Curran's goal intact for the fourth game in a row? I don't think so as the Champions have had 7 different goalscorers in their last 3 games.
The other 2 Kernan brothers Stephen and Tony are joined in the half forward line by Kyle Carragher who has really blossomed since holding down a regular place on the team. While Stephen pulls the strings when it comes to a range of passes and vision the unselfish workload of carrying and fetching from brother Tony often goes un-noticed. With Kyle adopting the same attitude as Tony the ground covered by both as offensive and defensive players is staggering. The Rangers full forward line is viewed by many as their marquis line mainly because of their sheer potency on the scoreboard. Oisín McConville must have inherited some blood not just the same Christian name of the fabled folklore hero of Tír Na nÓg fame as he has certainly turned back the clock with an evergreen display of point taking in this current campaign. When Kilcoo were pressing in the Ulster Final it was Oisín, the most decorated club footballer of all time, who had the presence of mind to slip in behind the defence unmarked, receive the ball and set up Kyle Brennan for a match winning goal.
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If Cross were looking to find an heir to McConville's throne he already exists in the opposite corner in Jamie Clarke. Not a renowned free taker Clarke has all the silky ball skills, goal scoring ability and off the ball movement which has already established him as a Club and County favourite. Always dangerous he cannot be left alone for a minute or he will punish you by ghosting in to create a goal when nothing looks on. With defenders on constant Clarke alert it enables his team mates to notch up the scores as can be seen in a Rangers total of 8-30. Number 14 Aaron Cunningham bagged the Ulster Final headlines through no fault of his own for all the wrong reasons. The very talented Aaron is playing a team part operating out of this position as he is probably more suited to a half forward spot. Aaron will be very keen to grab the headlines this week for all the right reasons via a Man of the Match winning performance. Oisín (0-6), Jamie (1-3) Aaron (1-0) out of 2-11 against Brigid's the last day out. Stack, Domican and Murray in the full back line will have their work cut out to keep the Rangers trio at bay.
Brigid's in their last two meetings with Cross matched them in most departments except the key one the scoreboard. The excellent Senan Kilbride finished the final versus Cross with 0-8 out of 1-11. It was Frankie Dolan with 0-7 out of 0-11 who top scored in their Semi Final loss to Cross where the Rangers full forward line of Mickey McNamee (1-1), Johnny Hanratty (0-2), Oisín McConville (0-5) bagged 1-8 out of 1-11. Richard Blaine, Eoin Sheehy, Eddie Egan, Garvan Dolan and Gearóid Cunniffe will have to step up to the plate and register with regularity with scores on the board if it is going to be St Brigid's day.
Another plus for the Champions is that they carry a very strong substitutes bench. Brendan McKeown, Ronan Finnegan, Garvan Carragher, Conor ONeill, Callum Cumiskeey, Paul Grant, Mel Boyce and Kyle Brennan have all experienced big time action and will not be found wanting if called into action.
Once again the outcome of this Semi rests with the performances of the respective full back lines. Their performances have decided the last two meetings between these two evenly matched teams as the scoring facts bear out. One of the key facts about Saturday's encounter is the miles on the clock put up by both teams over the last decade. A lot more miles in the legs of the challenger's age wise with a few of them eying this as the last throw of the dice in search of that elusive first title. Crossmaglen Rangers with all their successes are still out for setting more records with a first by any team of 3 All Ireland Club titles in a row their aim. Achieving this will bring them level with Nemo Rangers (Cork) at the top of the all- time winners list with 7 each.
When Laois official Maurice Deegan,(who was in charge of the Mayo v Donegal All-Ireland last September) blows the final whistle on Saturday Crossmaglen Rangers will have taken the cream off the Brigid's "curran cake" for the third time.
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How Crossmaglen Rangers got there!
Crossmaglen Rangers
Ulster Club SFC final
At The Athletic Grounds
Crossmaglen Rangers (Armagh) 3-09
Kilcoo (Down) 1-09
Semi Final
At Clones
Crossmaglen Rangers (Armagh) 2-10
Errigal Ciarán (Tyrone) 0-10
Ulster Club SFC Quarter Final
At The Athletic Grounds
Crossmaglen Rangers (Armagh) 3-11
Naomh Adhamhnáin (Donegal) 1-07
Scorers-O McConvillle (1-11), A Kernan (2-4), D McKenna (1-2), K Carragher (1-1), J Clarke (1-1), S Kernan (0-3), T Kernan (0-3), P Grant (1-0), K Brennan (1-0), P Hughes (0-2), M Aherne (0-1), A Cunningham (0-1), C Camiskey (0-1)
FOR 8-30 AGN 2-26
• How St. Brigid's got there!
St Brigid's
Connacht Club SFC final
At Castlebar
St Brigid's (Roscommon) 1-12
Ballaghaderreen (Mayo) 0-06
Connacht Club SFC Semi Final
At Pearse Stadium
St Brigid's (Roscommon) 0-15
Salthill-Knocknacarra (Galway) 0-08
Connacht Club SFC Preliminary Round
At Kiltoom
St Brigid's (Roscommon) 2-19
Melvin Gaels (Leitrim) 0-10
Scorers- F Dolan (0-16), S Kilbride (1-12), E Sheehy (0-4), E Egan (1-1), G Cunniffe (1-0), N Grehan (0-2), I Kilbride (0-2), R Blaine (0-2), D Dolan (0-2), D Kelleher (0-2), D Donnelly (0-1), G Dolan (0-1), A McInerney (0-1)
FOR 3-46 AGN 0-24
Quote from: crossfire on February 12, 2013, 09:36:35 PM
what are the parking facilities like around the pitch
not great
all paid parking
my advice is to park at Loreto school on the hospital road/old longford road (they have a small car park at front of building or across road from school) and then walk the 300 metres to the ground.
Definitely talking the talk anyway.
Thought the piece in the Irish News yesterday was one for the Cross motivation bank as well.
Hi guys
I've put together a tactical preview of the game here http://action81.com/blog/?p=6685
Emmet
Quote from: bennydorano on February 14, 2013, 01:12:09 PM
Thought the piece in the Irish News yesterday was one for the Cross motivation bank as well.
Is that the Ian Kilbride one?
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on February 14, 2013, 01:06:06 PM
Definitely talking the talk anyway.
I presume you are talking about the kevin McStay interview where he is positively upbeat about his sides chances. To be honest, the very fact that he feels the need to talk his side up would indicate to me that he feels the need to fill them full of confidence since a lot of sides seem to have an inferiority complex when they play Cross. Cross simply let their football do the talking and don't feel such a need as their results speak for themselves.
Hahaha
Quote from: neilthemac on February 14, 2013, 12:01:47 AM
Quote from: crossfire on February 12, 2013, 09:36:35 PM
what are the parking facilities like around the pitch
not great
all paid parking
my advice is to park at Loreto school on the hospital road/old longford road (they have a small car park at front of building or across road from school) and then walk the 300 metres to the ground.
Think they have a barrier up now. A good option, if you know where you're going then a good place to park is in D'Alton Park, where Mullingar Shamrocks are based. Plenty of roadside parking and tunnel access to walk 2 mins to Cusack Park.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on February 14, 2013, 01:16:54 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on February 14, 2013, 01:12:09 PM
Thought the piece in the Irish News yesterday was one for the Cross motivation bank as well.
Is that the Ian Kilbride one?
Noel Fallon (just checked)
Quote from: bennydorano on February 14, 2013, 06:02:54 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on February 14, 2013, 01:16:54 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on February 14, 2013, 01:12:09 PM
Thought the piece in the Irish News yesterday was one for the Cross motivation bank as well.
Is that the Ian Kilbride one?
Noel Fallon (just checked)
I don't see much if any motivation for Cross in that piece. They do their talking on the field and won't worry what others say.
Previews of the two games here if any of ye want to take a look:
http://www.livegaelic.com/news/all-ireland-club-championship-preview-st-brigids-vs-crossmaglen/
http://www.livegaelic.com/news/all-ireland-club-championship-preview-dr-crokes-vs-ballymun/
Really looking forward to the two games, the standard in this competition is just superb. It doesn't hurt that several of the teams remaining play a brilliant brand of football, Cross and Brigid's in particular.
Quote from: Keane on February 15, 2013, 01:29:20 PM
Previews of the two games here if any of ye want to take a look:
http://www.livegaelic.com/news/all-ireland-club-championship-preview-st-brigids-vs-crossmaglen/
http://www.livegaelic.com/news/all-ireland-club-championship-preview-dr-crokes-vs-ballymun/
Really looking forward to the two games, the standard in this competition is just superb. It doesn't hurt that several of the teams remaining play a brilliant brand of football, Cross and Brigid's in particular.
Good previews even if I disagree with the verdicts for both matches. St Brigids and Ballymun double is in the bookies at 10/1!!
Should be two good matches, more interesting than national league fixtures at this time of year. I'm hoping for a Cross v Dr Crokes final which would be one to look forward to.
Also in the Cross preview it says that they relinquished their Armagh title twice in 17 years when in fact it was only once.
Quote from: shark on February 14, 2013, 02:57:11 PM
Quote from: neilthemac on February 14, 2013, 12:01:47 AM
Quote from: crossfire on February 12, 2013, 09:36:35 PM
what are the parking facilities like around the pitch
not great
all paid parking
my advice is to park at Loreto school on the hospital road/old longford road (they have a small car park at front of building or across road from school) and then walk the 300 metres to the ground.
Think they have a barrier up now. A good option, if you know where you're going then a good place to park is in D'Alton Park, where Mullingar Shamrocks are based. Plenty of roadside parking and tunnel access to walk 2 mins to Cusack Park.
Many a time I've stuck it beside the tunnel if I'm running late. A good spot if you want to stick to the main roads is a free car park near the top of the Delvin Road.
Should be a good game. For me the questions are do Cross still have the fight for a tight battle and have St. Brigid's the confidence to beat Cross. Having lost twice in tight games it would be easy to lose heart when behind. It is important for them to have their heads right. In my opinion this Cross team have been as good to watch as any team I have seen. But they have been winning everything and if the hunger is not there they could be caught. As an Armagh man it may be best for the county this year for Cross to lose but I really hope they can go on and win a three in a row. Let us hope for a good game with the officials getting the major decisions right.
Nerves hitting in now. As a Bridget's man I think we are stronger than the last two years and the panel is much stronger now. I'd be confident we can win, it is the step we need to take for people to see how good a club we are. Cross are the team to beat in the country and ill glad we get the chance to pit ourselves against the best again. This time hopefully ill be celebrating.
Quote from: yellowcard on February 15, 2013, 01:43:05 PM
Good previews even if I disagree with the verdicts for both matches. St Brigids and Ballymun double is in the bookies at 10/1!!
Should be two good matches, more interesting than national league fixtures at this time of year. I'm hoping for a Cross v Dr Crokes final which would be one to look forward to.
Also in the Cross preview it says that they relinquished their Armagh title twice in 17 years when in fact it was only once.
Thanks for the feedback, you're spot on about Cross's Armagh record, we've fixed that.
As for the verdict in the two games, Cross and Crokes are rightly favourites but I do think there's very, very little between all four sides and at the prices you mentioned I think both underdogs are decent bets. I definitely don't think Ballymun should be 2/1, wouldn't have batted an eyelid to see them 6/4.
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on February 15, 2013, 03:42:27 PM
Quote from: shark on February 14, 2013, 02:57:11 PM
Quote from: neilthemac on February 14, 2013, 12:01:47 AM
Quote from: crossfire on February 12, 2013, 09:36:35 PM
what are the parking facilities like around the pitch
not great
all paid parking
my advice is to park at Loreto school on the hospital road/old longford road (they have a small car park at front of building or across road from school) and then walk the 300 metres to the ground.
Think they have a barrier up now. A good option, if you know where you're going then a good place to park is in D'Alton Park, where Mullingar Shamrocks are based. Plenty of roadside parking and tunnel access to walk 2 mins to Cusack Park.
Many a time I've stuck it beside the tunnel if I'm running late. A good spot if you want to stick to the main roads is a free car park near the top of the Delvin Road.
What tunnel is this? Might as well be prepared for tomorrow - would you mind sticking a pin in Google maps and linking us? Cusack has always been a pain with Google because it's not even named on the map, if you stick Cusuack Park into the navigation it tries to bring you on a lovely tour of the Burren.
Openstreetmap appears to show the tunnel
(http://i45.tinypic.com/dxe3xh.png)
Cheers for that, 'niac.
I don't want to send fear down your spine but I thought you might as well know things are looking bad for Cross tomorrow: http://hoganstand.com/Roscommon/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=185663
:D
QuoteI don't want to send fear down your spine but I thought you might as well know things are looking bad for Cross tomorrow: http://hoganstand.com/Roscommon/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=185663
I'm sure you think it will be a cake-walk, but sure we'll try and give you a game. You can't win them all.
St Brigid was from our part of the country and she'll be rooting for us at least.
Quote from: armaghniac on February 15, 2013, 11:00:41 PM
QuoteI don't want to send fear down your spine but I thought you might as well know things are looking bad for Cross tomorrow: http://hoganstand.com/Roscommon/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=185663
I'm sure you think it will be a cake-walk, but sure we'll try and give you a game. You can't win them all.
St Brigid was from our part of the country and she'll be rooting for us at least.
So you saying you think Cross ain't baked yet? 8)
QuoteSo you saying you think Cross ain't baked yet?
Nobody has managed to subject them to heat for more than a few minutes! You lot will have to bring lots of turf.
Quote from: armaghniac on February 15, 2013, 11:13:08 PM
QuoteSo you saying you think Cross ain't baked yet?
Nobody have managed to subject them to heat for more than a few minutes! You lot will have to bring lots of turf.
Well, Frankie always delivers on time* so I'm sure he could manage a few bags of fine south Roscommon stone turf for Saturday.
*He's a postman for those not in the Roscommon loop. That includes you, Rossfan.
Frankie Dolan is a friend of mine ya plaidhc >:(
Best of luck St B's , hoping ye can do it and give us simple country folk a big weekend away - 16th in Belfast, 17th in Dublin- in Ireland's two largest cities.
Quote from: The Trap on February 12, 2013, 03:03:11 PM
I will have to support Cross as Kevin McStay does my head on on The Sunday Game 8)
He is a head wrecker, a Rossie/Jackeen lover, but still I think he talks more sense than most of them.
Quote from: Syferus on February 15, 2013, 11:04:03 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on February 15, 2013, 11:00:41 PM
QuoteI don't want to send fear down your spine but I thought you might as well know things are looking bad for Cross tomorrow: http://hoganstand.com/Roscommon/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=185663
I'm sure you think it will be a cake-walk, but sure we'll try and give you a game. You can't win them all.
St Brigid was from our part of the country and she'll be rooting for us at least.
So you saying you think Cross ain't baked yet? 8)
There was me thinking she was from Louth in modern Leinster.
QuoteThere was me thinking she was from Louth in modern Leinster.
She was from the next parish to Cross and was often there in her younger days sharing a glass of buttermilk with her friends and relations. Sure wasn't a fellow from Corliss fort trying to court her before she found religion.
Anyhow nice day for the job, let battle commence!
Believe.
I'm going for a Crossmaglen victory - only just. When they are perceived to be vulnerable tends to be when they are most dangerous. St Brigid's are a serious outfit though and know they can win. Probably the most intriguing club game in recent years
I near forgot about this game glad i logged on.
Cross v Brigids has all the ingredients to be a classic game! have seen couple on here some posters possibly questioning Cross' appetite! That is the last thing u could fire at this team! Results from the last 17 years show this team will always have drive and I expect their experience of edging tight games will help them to a narrow win!
Definite wind across the field here, not great for accurate kicking.
Danny OCallaghan right half forward for Cross??? Would presume he wil play as an extra defender.
Why was the number 9 holding his face...
Goal out of nothing for Crossmaglen game on!
Great goal.
Any radio coverage?
Would yas add the score, cant get it in England!
Pitch is in great shape.
Quote from: Oraisteach on February 16, 2013, 02:14:57 PM
Any radio coverage?
try this link for video its working for me
http://www.vipbox.tv/rugby/136549/1/st-brigids-vs-crossmaglen---aib-club-football-championship-live-stream-online.html
Its on Ulster BBC Radio
Brigids defence getting cleaned here. Cross could do serious damage here.
Thanks Harp
Oisin taken off
Bad miss from Frankie...
No Problem is it working for you, the video?
Quote from: Tubberman on February 16, 2013, 02:24:14 PM
Bad miss from Frankie...
Same thing again! Think it scraped the post that time...
Ocallaghan as a holding chb is fine. Man marking in fb line he could lose cross it with fouling. Wonder what was up with oisin.
Who's the dirty fcker who stood on Dolan's hand???
Two scorable frees both missed by Frankie Dolan .
Even enough game Crossmaglen will be happy to have the lead.
Quote from: Tubberman on February 16, 2013, 02:27:29 PM
Who's the dirty fcker who stood on Dolan's hand???
I see kilbride complaining about that at ht. didn't see it.
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 16, 2013, 02:34:11 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on February 16, 2013, 02:27:29 PM
Who's the dirty fcker who stood on Dolan's hand???
I see kilbride complaining about that at ht. didn't see it.
Stephen Kernan...was deliberate...nasty act
If hes not subbed O'Callaghan will see red. Second toevery ball. Deegan's giving Bridgid's a few soft frees.
Terrible cross-wind, particularly for the second miss. Still all to play for.
Let's hope it proves to be a Cross wind!
Quote from: wildrover on February 16, 2013, 02:35:45 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 16, 2013, 02:34:11 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on February 16, 2013, 02:27:29 PM
Who's the dirty fcker who stood on Dolan's hand???
I see kilbride complaining about that at ht. didn't see it.
Stephen Kernan...was deliberate...nasty act
Oh. Wouldn't have expected it of him.
OCallaghan either needs switching or taken off, he's walking a tightrope with constant fouling. On the other hand Cross look far more dangerous up front than Brigids. Good substitution putting Brennan on for Oisin who was ineffective today. Could be saving Oisin for last 10 mins if the game is in the melting pot.
Jesus how did he miss that!!!
Ronnir Rosenthal
How many mins in? Whats the score lads?
Cross lead 1-5 to 1-4 36 mins gone. Very scrappy game.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 16, 2013, 02:51:30 PM
How many mins in? Whats the score lads?
23 mins left, All square 1-5 a piece.
Level now, 38 gone. Stupid trip by McHugh for Brigids, Cross man lying on ground holding his ankle equally as stupid looking.
Jaysus nobody can kick frees into that goal!
Huge amount of fouling going on. Someone will see the line fairly soon if this keeps up
Quote from: Tubberman on February 16, 2013, 02:55:19 PM
Level now, 38 gone. Stupid trip by McHugh for Brigids, Cross man lying on ground holding his ankle equally as stupid looking.
Do I remember Tommy Carr getting the line for that agin' Donegal years ago??
Cross are missing Oisin now.
Second half of few scores the game has got scrappy.
O'Callaghan caught badly again
Brigid's lead by a point, could have been a goal. 12 mins left.
Not like Tony to leave O'Callaghan on. Bridgids getting soft frees still. Can't see cross winning this unless they up it.
Brigid's by 2
Good spell for Brigids, 2 up now with 11 left.
Cake doing his stuff there!
After all these years, Shane Curran is still not wise lol
Crossmaglen's first score for 15-20 minutes?
Camera man brutal
Is the TG4 director some Wee lad on work experience?
Level eight minutes left
Great game now!
Cross lead by a point
upping it?
Normally im first to give md a wile chewing, it his not his fault however this game has turned into a halving match. We will see the cross metal now; two down.
Goal Brigid's
Goal for St Brigids poor defending from Crossmaglen.
Thought the ref might have already blown for penalty! Now it's really put up to Cross!
3 mins left, Cake panned out!
Deegans a joke
Cross FF must have hit poor Cake an awful clatter
Always trouble when two gingers collide.
I thought Cake had been shot there!
Play acting from the missing link!
Not over yet....
Score?
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on February 16, 2013, 03:15:47 PM
I thought Cake had been shot there!
Knowing cake I'd say he ran from his goal to give some lip to the Cross full-forward after Dolan's goal and got a dig of some variety for his troubles.
Quote from: Armaghgael on November 25, 2012, 06:54:09 PM
Cross will win 3 in a row and possibly 4 or 5. There is no team in Ireland that will live with them for 60 minutes for the foreseeable future
;D
Crossmaglen beaten :o well done to St Brigids.
Sin é
Fair play Brigids!!!! Delighted for them. Connacht Abú!
Commiserations to Crossmaglen. A fantastic team, the best club team, of the last 20 years.
Seems there is football in Connacht afterall, who would have figured ;D
Final score anyone?
Cross out
Quote from: Tubberman on February 16, 2013, 03:20:30 PM
Fair play Brigids!!!! Delighted for them. Connacht Abú!
Commiserations to Crossmaglen. A fantastic team, the best club team, of the last 20 years.
Unusual for us to ride on the Rossies coat tails but sure whats rare is precious.
Cake was blowing kisses to some Cross forward earlier. Maybe he deserved the clatter!
Cross beat themselves in the end but Deegan gave St Bridgids every thing. Added nothing to the three minutes despite the timewasting.
Good to get the Cross boys back into Armagh setup though.
Fair play to Brigids..they went out with a gameplay to slow the game down and Deegan allowed them to implement it
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 16, 2013, 03:22:18 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on February 16, 2013, 03:20:30 PM
Fair play Brigids!!!! Delighted for them. Connacht Abú!
Commiserations to Crossmaglen. A fantastic team, the best club team, of the last 20 years.
Unusual for us to ride on the Rossies coat tails but sure whats rare is precious.
+1
2-7 to 1-9 for Brigids. Everything went for them today.
Thought Deegan was poor.
Good for Armagh?
Congrats to St Brigids. Hard luck to our lads, very proud of them all.
Had Oisin stayed on the field would Cross have lost that game? He was def struggling but could've been carried to hit the frees! Tony made the call and today was prob a mistake! In fairness to Tony Mac he rarely makes mistakes and Cross were unlucky on the day! Fair play to St Brigids! Great game! All set up for Dr Crokes!
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on February 16, 2013, 03:23:27 PM
Fair play to Brigids..they went out with a gameplay to slow the game down and Deegan allowed them to implement it
Bollox...Brigids were the better team so give them the credit they deserve...Both teams were at the niggly stuff all game but moreso Cross...Ref had a decent game too...typical sour 'apples' from an armagh man!
Great win & deserved win looking forward to another AI final
Very scrappy football, only kept exciting by the closeness of the scoreline. Well done to St Brigids but Cross left that game behind. Dominated midfield but failed to make it count on the scoreboard. That goal miss at start of second half came back to haunt them.
Tight game that could have went either way. Didn't mind who won it but it frustrates me that refs never add on time for time wasted in injury time. The brigids keeper was mustard for it and hasn't got any less mad with years gone by.
Limiting clarke's influence won it really though if cross had won it limiting kilbride would have been lauded. If oisin had been on maybe frees wouldn't have been missed but then dolan missed a few that were out of character too.
Cross have slowed the game down plenty in the past so can't complain about that.
Oisin Mc Conville's free taking ability was sorely missed today when he went off injured.
Oisin was clinical from frees over the course of his career.
Fair play to St Brigids but Cross will be sore after this one. They left it behind them.
But they have been serious champions worthy of every plaudit that came their way.
Can they regroup ? History says they will.
Exciting game which either team could have won. Since they last played Cross were minus Francis Hanratty, Stephen Finnegan and Michael McNamee for one reason or another. Brigid's have improved too. The ball ran with them today as well with the sloppy goal and Cross miss. Hope this continues for them in the final as they have been trying for a long time. The match also showed how important Paul Kernan and Oisin are for Cross. It will only be in years to come that people will realise how good he really was. They can talk about the Gooch, Canavan etc. but no player has influenced as many games as him.
Finally, although the game was exciting I also think it showed the things that are wrong with football with the feigning injury, diving and systematic following in the half back line and midfield area to stop teams developing play.
both teams missed chances - cross with the goal and Dolan on the frees
second goal obviously the key score, even though very flukey but St. Brigids held their nerve
The wind was serious, didn't help either team. Balls dropping short, poor free's. Thought some of the Cross kicking passing was quite poor,maybe a wind factor. Brigids long ball passing seemed to come off better.
The missed goal chance at the start of the second half was a big blow for Cross. They had started the half well and that would have been a big blow for Brigids. Although the 2 missed free's by Frankie Dolan were a let off for Cross, fairly straight forward free's for a player like Dolan. He had a great game over all, showed very well and was a constant thorn in the Cross defence. Cross will be sick.
Quote from: wildrover on February 16, 2013, 03:28:28 PM
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on February 16, 2013, 03:23:27 PM
Fair play to Brigids..they went out with a gameplay to slow the game down and Deegan allowed them to implement it
Bollox...Brigids were the better team so give them the credit they deserve...Both teams were at the niggly stuff all game but moreso Cross...Ref had a decent game too...typical sour 'apples' from an armagh man!
You are the one talking bollox. deegan allowed pulling and dragging of the Cross lads to go unpunished. the No.3 kicked Clarke FFS when he was a cert to be one on one. At one stage a Brigids defender fell over the ball with the two Cross lads at least 3 ft away from him...result free out. not sour apples. Deegan is a poor ref and once again Northern teams are done over by a southern ref.
Believe, baby.
Quote from: Applesisapples on February 16, 2013, 03:52:01 PM
Quote from: wildrover on February 16, 2013, 03:28:28 PM
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on February 16, 2013, 03:23:27 PM
Fair play to Brigids..they went out with a gameplay to slow the game down and Deegan allowed them to implement it
Bollox...Brigids were the better team so give them the credit they deserve...Both teams were at the niggly stuff all game but moreso Cross...Ref had a decent game too...typical sour 'apples' from an armagh man!
You are the one talking bollox. deegan allowed pulling and dragging of the Cross lads to go unpunished. the No.3 kicked Clarke FFS when he was a cert to be one on one. At one stage a Brigids defender fell over the ball with the two Cross lads at least 3 ft away from him...result free out. not sour apples. Deegan is a poor ref and once again Northern teams are done over by a southern ref.
You're embarrassing yourself with that post :-[
Quote from: Applesisapples on February 16, 2013, 03:52:01 PM
Quote from: wildrover on February 16, 2013, 03:28:28 PM
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on February 16, 2013, 03:23:27 PM
Fair play to Brigids..they went out with a gameplay to slow the game down and Deegan allowed them to implement it
Bollox...Brigids were the better team so give them the credit they deserve...Both teams were at the niggly stuff all game but moreso Cross...Ref had a decent game too...typical sour 'apples' from an armagh man!
You are the one talking bollox. deegan allowed pulling and dragging of the Cross lads to go unpunished. the No.3 kicked Clarke FFS when he was a cert to be one on one. At one stage a Brigids defender fell over the ball with the two Cross lads at least 3 ft away from him...result free out. not sour apples. Deegan is a poor ref and once again Northern teams are done over by a southern ref.
What about stephen kernans stamp on frankie dolan's hand when he was on the ground that wasnt punished...
What about Danny O Callaghan trying to mount/ride every brigids forward he could see in the first half that wasnt punished...
What about Johnn Hanratty firing himself into the brigids midfielder and then throwing himself on the ground in the first five minutes that went unpunished...
Both teams were at it...the ref called it as he saw it and certainly wasnt the reason cross were beat...to suggest he was is embarassing...
At this stage an Ulster ref cannot be apponted to ref Crossmaglen. So it has to be a "southern" ref.
Both teams will look at incidents with the ref.
I thought the Cross defender was taken out of it for Brigid's second goal.
Cant blame maurice deegan. He handled the all the shite that the two teams dished out. He is a tube but not a tube on this occasion.
To be fair I thought Deegan had a fairly good game. But it would take about fifteen referees to see all the crap that was going on. I have seen all Cross championship games this year and they have been below their normal standard. But for me the football in all of these games was of a higher standard than that today. As someone said earlier maybe the wind was a factor.
Quote from: orangeman on February 16, 2013, 04:03:27 PM
At this stage an Ulster ref cannot be apponted to ref Crossmaglen. So it has to be a "southern" ref.
Both teams will look at incidents with the ref.
I thought the Cross defender was taken out of it for Brigid's second goal.
That's what I thought originally but he actually ran into his own man.
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on February 16, 2013, 03:58:27 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on February 16, 2013, 03:52:01 PM
Quote from: wildrover on February 16, 2013, 03:28:28 PM
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on February 16, 2013, 03:23:27 PM
Fair play to Brigids..they went out with a gameplay to slow the game down and Deegan allowed them to implement it
Bollox...Brigids were the better team so give them the credit they deserve...Both teams were at the niggly stuff all game but moreso Cross...Ref had a decent game too...typical sour 'apples' from an armagh man!
You are the one talking bollox. deegan allowed pulling and dragging of the Cross lads to go unpunished. the No.3 kicked Clarke FFS when he was a cert to be one on one. At one stage a Brigids defender fell over the ball with the two Cross lads at least 3 ft away from him...result free out. not sour apples. Deegan is a poor ref and once again Northern teams are done over by a southern ref.
You're embarrassing yourself with that post :-[
Simple question. On how many separate occasions did Deegan move a Cross free forward. 1? 2? Guessing at least 7 or 8 . Game slowed , defenders back, aim achieved, ref unable/ unwilling to deal with it.
I didn't think the referee favored one team more than the other.
Quote from: Applesisapples on February 16, 2013, 03:52:01 PM
Quote from: wildrover on February 16, 2013, 03:28:28 PM
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on February 16, 2013, 03:23:27 PM
Fair play to Brigids..they went out with a gameplay to slow the game down and Deegan allowed them to implement it
Bollox...Brigids were the better team so give them the credit they deserve...Both teams were at the niggly stuff all game but moreso Cross...Ref had a decent game too...typical sour 'apples' from an armagh man!
You are the one talking bollox. deegan allowed pulling and dragging of the Cross lads to go unpunished. the No.3 kicked Clarke FFS when he was a cert to be one on one. At one stage a Brigids defender fell over the ball with the two Cross lads at least 3 ft away from him...result free out. not sour apples. Deegan is a poor ref and once again Northern teams are done over by a southern ref.
Clutching at straws blaming Deegan, he is by no means a great ref but I don't think he favoured either side over the other. Only complaint is that he should have played another minute at the end for time wasting.
After beating Cross I hope St Brigids can go on and win it, that cake fella is a right lunatic.
Have to say, i wanted St. Bridgets to win. And i thought that Deegan Favoured SB. Cross got little or nothing. The thing is that Cross play on the edge and if you get a fussy referee then they are fecked. Still Cross looked a bit tired. It's been two and a half years straight on the road. The Batteries had to be running down. Still excellent champions and to come so close to three in a row shows their strength and hunger.
He's a true West Roscommon lad, yellowcard ;)
The fella who kicked Clarke was yellow carded. The ref could do no more.
The ref didn't win the game for brigids. Cross had chances and really weren't effective enough up front to win it. In saying that they still could have won it.
Hard luck cross and well done Brigids, hope they go on to win it now, could be against the team from the smoke the way its going.
Being entirely selfish about it how many cross players will come back into the county fold which ones and how soon?
Well done St Brigids. Cross had their chances and didn't take them and they didn't have that luxury against a team of Brigids calibre.
Manys a time Cross have been on the right side of a result like that, so don't think they can have too many complaints.
Both teams were indulging in the 'dark arts' so again neither side can complain. Kicked lumps out of each other. Always going to be a close affair and fair play to St Brigid's they put their money where their mouths were, put it up to Cross who battled courageously and made them work for the victory.
Losing PK and Oisin had huge impacts but being able to bring on players like Aaron Cunningham shows that they have strength in depth. That said your man O'Callaghan doesn't really seem to add much to the outfit other than being a brute and I'm surprised he even started.
Wonder will their be the same appetite to keep going from the likes of Oisin and Hearty?
QuoteThe fella who kicked Clarke was yellow carded. The ref could do no more.
5.2 To kick or attempt to kick an opponent, with minimal force.
PENALTY FOR THE ABOVE FOULS - (i) Order offender off
If the ref saw a kick (or even at attempted one) - it's should be a straight red.
Having said that Cross are no strangers to crossing the line themselves and the ref, as pointed out earlier, missed the stamp on Dolan's hand
Good game by both teams.
Fair play to Brigid's, delighted for them and in particular for Shane Curran who is a pure gentleman.
Mannion was outstanding in the last twenty mins.
The game was always going to be niggily as both teams know each other fairly well.
Cross only have themselves to blame. That blatant push over the sideline on Kilbride that ultimately led to the goal was the most idiotic defending I've seen in a long time.
Has the makings of a great open final now and a tough one to call but with Brigid's experience you would imagine they have a slight advantage.
3rd time lucky for St Brigids got damn close in 2007,2011 & at times today it looked like Brigids were going to lose another close contest. Brigids strong defence has been key for them all year & today was no different. Late goal came at a great time, superb character shown by the lads throughout the game in what was deserved win. Hard luck to Crossmaglen they win be back no doubt.
This will 8th All Ireland final for Roscommon club it's time we won one & Brigids are certainly good enough having now beaten some of the best club sides of all time.
Quote from: yellowcard on February 15, 2013, 01:43:05 PM
Quote from: Keane on February 15, 2013, 01:29:20 PM
Previews of the two games here if any of ye want to take a look:
http://www.livegaelic.com/news/all-ireland-club-championship-preview-st-brigids-vs-crossmaglen/
http://www.livegaelic.com/news/all-ireland-club-championship-preview-dr-crokes-vs-ballymun/
Really looking forward to the two games, the standard in this competition is just superb. It doesn't hurt that several of the teams remaining play a brilliant brand of football, Cross and Brigid's in particular.
Good previews even if I disagree with the verdicts for both matches. St Brigids and Ballymun double is in the bookies at 10/1!!
Should be two good matches, more interesting than national league fixtures at this time of year. I'm hoping for a Cross v Dr Crokes final which would be one to look forward to.
Also in the Cross preview it says that they relinquished their Armagh title twice in 17 years when in fact it was only once.
Did you take that bet??
I did :)
http://www.livegaelic.com/features/the-proper-punter-sigerson-cup-club-action/
Quote from: ross4life on February 16, 2013, 05:32:15 PM
3rd time lucky for St Brigids got damn close in 2007,2011 & at times today it looked like Brigids were going to lose another close contest. Brigids strong defence has been key for them all year & today was no different. Late goal came at a great time, superb character shown by the lads throughout the game in what was deserved win. Hard luck to Crossmaglen they win be back no doubt.
This will 8th All Ireland final for Roscommon club it's time we won one & Brigids are certainly good enough having now beaten some of the best club sides of all time.
A great result for Ros and Connacht fuball and best of luck to the brigids on spd.
Congratulations to st brigids.
Great boost for Connacht football - well Done to all involved
So the Cross/Crokes final has to be put on hold ::)
Great win by Brigid's having to dig deep in the second half after being very much 2nd fiddle in the 2nd quarter.
Early efforts at intimidation by Cross didn't have the desired effect of frightening St B's.
When Cross got into their stride to be honest at half time it looked a lost cause for B's.
However an early let off, a tightening up all round the middle, good substitutions and a serious amount of effort got the B's over the line.
A lot of Armagh/Ulster bies whinging about Deegan I see - sure it's always the ref's fault never the other team scoring more that causes teasm to lose.
Mind you there was a Ros man near me ( He's not St Brigid's -somehwere near Syf's country so .. ::)) who kept up a non stop barrage of abuse about Deegan from start to finish he felt he was so biased towards Cross.
So I'll be having my big weekend away on the 16th and 17th March after all. Thanks Cake and company.
Quote from: Rossfan on February 16, 2013, 06:45:55 PM
So the Cross/Crokes final has to be put on hold ::)
Great win by Brigid's having to dig deep in the second half after being very much 2nd fiddle in the 2nd quarter.
Early efforts at intimidation by Cross didn't have the desired effect of frightening St B's.
When Cross got into their stride to be honest at half time it looked a lost cause for B's.
However an early let off, a tightening up all round the middle, good substitutions and a serious amount of effort got the B's over the line.
A lot of Armagh/Ulster bies whinging about Deegan I see - sure it's always the ref's fault never the other team scoring more that causes teasm to lose.
Mind you there was a Ros man near me ( He's not St Brigid's -somehwere near Syf's country so .. ::)) who kept up a non stop barrage of abuse about Deegan from start to finish he felt he was so biased towards Cross.
So I'll be having my big weekend away on the 16th and 17th March after all. Thanks Cake and company.
I assume you laughable comments about Cross trying to intimidate Brigid's does not count as whinging then?
f**k off all the begrudgers. Bridget's win. Refwas shite for both teams. Wasnt a great game both teams cancelled each other out. Today was our day. Cry off somewhere else.
Is there any you tube videos of shane curran from over the years?
Quote from: Throw ball on February 16, 2013, 07:18:23 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 16, 2013, 06:45:55 PM
So the Cross/Crokes final has to be put on hold ::)
Great win by Brigid's having to dig deep in the second half after being very much 2nd fiddle in the 2nd quarter.
Early efforts at intimidation by Cross didn't have the desired effect of frightening St B's.
When Cross got into their stride to be honest at half time it looked a lost cause for B's.
However an early let off, a tightening up all round the middle, good substitutions and a serious amount of effort got the B's over the line.
A lot of Armagh/Ulster bies whinging about Deegan I see - sure it's always the ref's fault never the other team scoring more that causes teasm to lose.
Mind you there was a Ros man near me ( He's not St Brigid's -somehwere near Syf's country so .. ::)) who kept up a non stop barrage of abuse about Deegan from start to finish he felt he was so biased towards Cross.
So I'll be having my big weekend away on the 16th and 17th March after all. Thanks Cake and company.
I assume you laughable comments about Cross trying to intimidate Brigid's does not count as whinging then?
No because
1- Brigids won
2- the intimidation didn't work
How many contributing are from the actual clubs? Few getting carried away & most of the mouthing tends to come from non participating clubs.
Congrats to St Brigids, Cross came out the wrong side of a tight one (for a change).
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on February 16, 2013, 07:45:47 PM
f**k off all the begrudgers. Bridget's win. Refwas shite for both teams. Wasnt a great game both teams cancelled each other out. Today was our day. Cry off somewhere else.
Exactly, same could be said of last years intercounty All-Ireland semi between Mayo and Dublin
The ref wasn't the winning or losing of the game. He made soft decisions for both teams. There was so little between the two teams that it was always going to come down to one or 2 incidents/decisions. I feel if we had banged that goal at the start of the second half then we would have won.The gamble of playing an unfit Oisin from the start didn't work. If he had the chance that Kyle had he would have buried it. But these are the decisions management live or die by and are only part of the reasons. Both teams missed scorable frees, both teams missed chances. In the second half,SBs got more out of their HF line and that was important. The reality is that whichever team won today,the other team could have no complaints about the result and I think a draw over the 60 minutes would have been a fair result, but alas....
Anyway,good luck in the Final, we will reassess and see where we can go from here, hopefully the county will not put too much pressure on the players for a while.
Quote from: Tubberman on February 16, 2013, 03:13:44 PM
Cross FF must have hit poor Cake an awful clatter
Ye missed his Super Mario hop after he got up, completely golden :D
Looking back at the match on TG4 Cake made Callagher look a little silly on a few occasions throughout the match and I suppose it spilt over near the end. He couldn't have chosen a worse man in the country to give a jab to when you're losing a match and time running out.
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Quote from: Tubberman on February 16, 2013, 02:27:29 PM
Who's the dirty fcker who stood on Dolan's hand???
I see kilbride complaining about that at ht. didn't see it.
Stephen Kernan...was deliberate...nasty act
Oh. Wouldn't have expected it of him.
Which Dolan was it? I missed it even when looking back on the match. Frankie? 10, Darren? 7, Garvan?
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Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on February 16, 2013, 07:45:47 PM
f**k off all the begrudgers. Bridget's win. Refwas shite for both teams. Wasnt a great game both teams cancelled each other out. Today was our day. Cry off somewhere else.
It's a strange disposition that wants to sniff out and focus on whatever little negativity exists in the immediate aftermath of such a positive event.
Cute that'd you try to gloss over the faulty logic of pointing out a comment about a supporter's disposition when they were
responding to silly sour grapes but we Ros folk aren't that stupid, captain. :-X
st brigid's got the rub of the green today, along with some soft frees , but cross were not punished by them, it was the 2 sloppy goals that st brigid's got that changed the game. good luck in the final st brigids
It was the one who likes to take his clothes off in hotel pool rooms. ;D
Yes Curran may have acted for the sending off, but the Cross player hit him a thump. you cannot excuse that
Quote from: JUst retired on February 17, 2013, 07:43:12 AM
It was the one who likes to take his clothes off in hotel pool rooms. ;D
the funny thing is, a lot of Roscommon players got substantial settlements from that newspaper over the false items in that story.
of course, nobody ever likes the facts to get in the way of a good story.
Cross had more than enough chances to win it. St Brigids got a little rub of the green but thoroughly deserved their victory. Will make a great final.
Quote from: neilthemac on February 17, 2013, 08:57:00 AM
Yes Curran may have acted for the sending off, but the Cross player hit him a thump. you cannot excuse that
Honestly, people who think Cake was trying to get Callagher sent off are completely missing the point. Brigid's were ahead against the All-Ireland champions with a couple minutes to go in an All-Ireland semi-final and Callagher presented him with a fantastic opportunity to force the referee to come all the way up the field, consult with his umpires and make a decision.
I highly doubt if Cake cared one iota at that stage if he got a card or Callagher, the main thing was running down the clock.
Cross just met someone a little cuter than themselves for once. Pigs flew in Mullingar yesterday.
What age is Shane Curran? I didn't think he was still playing with St Brigids until yesterday
Quote from: rodney trotter on February 17, 2013, 01:34:01 PM
What age is Shane Curran? I didn't think he was still playing with St Brigids until yesterday
Said on radio yesterday that he's 42 in April. A complete header, great to see him playing again, some character!
Quote from: rodney trotter on February 17, 2013, 01:34:01 PM
What age is Shane Curran? I didn't think he was still playing with St Brigids until yesterday
42. He was the emergency third keeper last year but was mostly involved as a coach rather than a player. Brigid's biggest weakest - with all due respect to the Martins - was their goalkeeping and McStay rightly identified that and asked Cake to come back full-time.
The rest could be history in four weeks time.
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Quote from: rodney trotter on February 17, 2013, 01:34:01 PM
What age is Shane Curran? I didn't think he was still playing with St Brigids until yesterday
Said on radio yesterday that he's 42 in April. A complete header, great to see him playing again, some character!
My sentiments exactly!!!
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Quote from: rodney trotter on February 17, 2013, 01:34:01 PM
What age is Shane Curran? I didn't think he was still playing with St Brigids until yesterday
Said on radio yesterday that he's 42 in April. A complete header, great to see him playing again, some character!
My sentiments exactly!!!
I'd agree, he is capable of doing anything. Entertaining to watch. Good keeper aswell.
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on February 16, 2013, 03:25:11 PM
2-7 to 1-9 for Brigids. Everything went for them today.
Thought Deegan was poor.
Good for Armagh?
Who know's if it will be or not, now is not the time to ponder that, now is the time to let these lads licks their wounds, heal up and in a month start thinking about the county set up.
BTW, Cross are incredible, they are a machine and they will be back, and I for one take great pride in the fact that they are from Armagh............ Having said that the Harps have some tremendous young talent coming up and I am hoping that in the years to come they can knock the snout out of them. ;D
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Quote from: Harold Disgracey on February 16, 2013, 03:25:11 PM
2-7 to 1-9 for Brigids. Everything went for them today.
Thought Deegan was poor.
Good for Armagh?
Who know's if it will be or not, now is not the time to ponder that, now is the time to let these lads licks their wounds, heal up and in a month start thinking about the county set up.
BTW, Cross are incredible, they are a machine and they will be back, and I for one take great pride in the fact that they are from Armagh............ Having said that the Harps have some tremendous young talent coming up and I am hoping that in the years to come they can knock the snout out of them. ;D
Are you serious? Give them a month off and take them back in when the League is almost over? For some of them like McKeown, Morgan and Hanratty their county career has barely started and this is an opportunity for them to put their credentials on the line. If they require this week off I would give it to them but beyond that they should be involved for the following weekends match.
Great pic of Cake in the Sindo sports section today. I think it would be an understatement to say he was happy at the result. ;)
I'm delighted for him and I hope he is just as happy after the next game.
A great character down the years but he was also a superb goalie and never let his clowning get in the way of his primary duties.
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Quote from: stew on February 17, 2013, 02:24:34 PM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on February 16, 2013, 03:25:11 PM
2-7 to 1-9 for Brigids. Everything went for them today.
Thought Deegan was poor.
Good for Armagh?
Who know's if it will be or not, now is not the time to ponder that, now is the time to let these lads licks their wounds, heal up and in a month start thinking about the county set up.
BTW, Cross are incredible, they are a machine and they will be back, and I for one take great pride in the fact that they are from Armagh............ Having said that the Harps have some tremendous young talent coming up and I am hoping that in the years to come they can knock the snout out of them. ;D
Are you serious? Give them a month off and take them back in when the League is almost over? For some of them like McKeown, Morgan and Hanratty their county career has barely started and this is an opportunity for them to put their credentials on the line. If they require this week off I would give it to them but beyond that they should be involved for the following weekends match.
You are right, lets tell them not to worry about the fact they have being going at it for nigh on a year straight and that we dont give a feck about their health, lets throw them right into county play and dont give them a chance to process the Cross loss and the fact that their main goal of the past year has been crushed.
Bate them into the ground shure, after all there is said to be no rest for the wicked and everyone knows Cross are the evil empire. :P
Not surprised. Predicted this 4 months ago.
Could be really mean and pull out the posts from crossbar and co.
But I won't........ ;D
Quote from: INDIANA on February 17, 2013, 07:14:25 PM
Not surprised. Predicted this 4 months ago.
Could be really mean and pull out the posts from crossbar and co.
But I won't........ ;D
Blind squirrels and acorns and all that, you really, really stink at predictions Indy but hey, you got this one spot on, congrats!
Quote from: stew on February 17, 2013, 06:21:59 PM
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Quote from: stew on February 17, 2013, 02:24:34 PM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on February 16, 2013, 03:25:11 PM
2-7 to 1-9 for Brigids. Everything went for them today.
Thought Deegan was poor.
Good for Armagh?
Who know's if it will be or not, now is not the time to ponder that, now is the time to let these lads licks their wounds, heal up and in a month start thinking about the county set up.
BTW, Cross are incredible, they are a machine and they will be back, and I for one take great pride in the fact that they are from Armagh............ Having said that the Harps have some tremendous young talent coming up and I am hoping that in the years to come they can knock the snout out of them. ;D
Are you serious? Give them a month off and take them back in when the League is almost over? For some of them like McKeown, Morgan and Hanratty their county career has barely started and this is an opportunity for them to put their credentials on the line. If they require this week off I would give it to them but beyond that they should be involved for the following weekends match.
You are right, lets tell them not to worry about the fact they have being going at it for nigh on a year straight and that we dont give a feck about their health, lets throw them right into county play and dont give them a chance to process the Cross loss and the fact that their main goal of the past year has been crushed.
Bate them into the ground shure, after all there is said to be no rest for the wicked and everyone knows Cross are the evil empire. :P
What about all the other players in the squad who have had Sigerson committments, Decky McKenna who has been with Harps U21s, players training with U21 county have they not been flogged to death as well, only most of them had no success.
Cross took a months break after the Ulster campaign and began their preparation for the AI semi final around the turn of the year. They will have trained extremely hard in preparation for the AI semi final and your now suggesting a break of another month to help them digest a loss. Come on, its undoubtedly disappointing for them but plenty of other players have to take defeat and move on. In any case I think some of the players involved will be keen to integrate themselves into the county set up soon enough and some of them may even wish to play this weekend. I don't see any problem giving them a week off but after the Wexford game i would expect to see them back involved.
What it does do though is highlight the stupidity in playing the semi finals of a competition 12 weeks after the previous round. The hardest stage of the club series to fall at is probably the AI semi final since all the hard work has been done with nothing additional to show for it. In the interest of player welfare and indeed the momentum built around the club series it would be far better to play the final before Christmas.
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Quote from: stew on February 17, 2013, 06:21:59 PM
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Quote from: stew on February 17, 2013, 02:24:34 PM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on February 16, 2013, 03:25:11 PM
2-7 to 1-9 for Brigids. Everything went for them today.
Thought Deegan was poor.
Good for Armagh?
Who know's if it will be or not, now is not the time to ponder that, now is the time to let these lads licks their wounds, heal up and in a month start thinking about the county set up.
BTW, Cross are incredible, they are a machine and they will be back, and I for one take great pride in the fact that they are from Armagh............ Having said that the Harps have some tremendous young talent coming up and I am hoping that in the years to come they can knock the snout out of them. ;D
Are you serious? Give them a month off and take them back in when the League is almost over? For some of them like McKeown, Morgan and Hanratty their county career has barely started and this is an opportunity for them to put their credentials on the line. If they require this week off I would give it to them but beyond that they should be involved for the following weekends match.
You are right, lets tell them not to worry about the fact they have being going at it for nigh on a year straight and that we dont give a feck about their health, lets throw them right into county play and dont give them a chance to process the Cross loss and the fact that their main goal of the past year has been crushed.
Bate them into the ground shure, after all there is said to be no rest for the wicked and everyone knows Cross are the evil empire. :P
What about all the other players in the squad who have had Sigerson committments, Decky McKenna who has been with Harps U21s, players training with U21 county have they not been flogged to death as well, only most of them had no success.
Cross took a months break after the Ulster campaign and began their preparation for the AI semi final around the turn of the year. They will have trained extremely hard in preparation for the AI semi final and your now suggesting a break of another month to help them digest a loss. Come on, its undoubtedly disappointing for them but plenty of other players have to take defeat and move on. In any case I think some of the players involved will be keen to integrate themselves into the county set up soon enough and some of them may even wish to play this weekend. I don't see any problem giving them a week off but after the Wexford game i would expect to see them back involved.
What it does do though is highlight the stupidity in playing the semi finals of a competition 12 weeks after the previous round. The hardest stage of the club series to fall at is probably the AI semi final since all the hard work has been done with nothing additional to show for it. In the interest of player welfare and indeed the momentum built around the club series it would be far better to play the final before Christmas.
You seem to think this is new territory for Cross, it's not, for the guts of the past decade their players have slogged their guts out for both club and county, the lads you mentioned are relative newcomers to the Armagh panel but still they slog their guts out and I would not be surprised if they break down physically with injuries due to the fact their season tends to last ten months.
I agree with you that the delay is ridiculous, the GAA should help both club and county teams out by having the Club championship finished well before Christmas.
Quote from: INDIANA on February 17, 2013, 07:14:25 PM
Not surprised. Predicted this 4 months ago.
Could be really mean and pull out the posts from crossbar and co.
But I won't........ ;D
Lol, good man, i hope you had plenty of money on it as you were so sure of it. More likely you didn't though as you havn't a clue. Your just raging cause ballymum will likely win it now while your own club are no where to be seen
Quote from: stew on February 17, 2013, 10:19:02 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on February 17, 2013, 09:12:12 PM
Quote from: stew on February 17, 2013, 06:21:59 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on February 17, 2013, 04:59:23 PM
Quote from: stew on February 17, 2013, 02:24:34 PM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on February 16, 2013, 03:25:11 PM
2-7 to 1-9 for Brigids. Everything went for them today.
Thought Deegan was poor.
Good for Armagh?
Who know's if it will be or not, now is not the time to ponder that, now is the time to let these lads licks their wounds, heal up and in a month start thinking about the county set up.
BTW, Cross are incredible, they are a machine and they will be back, and I for one take great pride in the fact that they are from Armagh............ Having said that the Harps have some tremendous young talent coming up and I am hoping that in the years to come they can knock the snout out of them. ;D
Are you serious? Give them a month off and take them back in when the League is almost over? For some of them like McKeown, Morgan and Hanratty their county career has barely started and this is an opportunity for them to put their credentials on the line. If they require this week off I would give it to them but beyond that they should be involved for the following weekends match.
You are right, lets tell them not to worry about the fact they have being going at it for nigh on a year straight and that we dont give a feck about their health, lets throw them right into county play and dont give them a chance to process the Cross loss and the fact that their main goal of the past year has been crushed.
Bate them into the ground shure, after all there is said to be no rest for the wicked and everyone knows Cross are the evil empire. :P
What about all the other players in the squad who have had Sigerson committments, Decky McKenna who has been with Harps U21s, players training with U21 county have they not been flogged to death as well, only most of them had no success.
Cross took a months break after the Ulster campaign and began their preparation for the AI semi final around the turn of the year. They will have trained extremely hard in preparation for the AI semi final and your now suggesting a break of another month to help them digest a loss. Come on, its undoubtedly disappointing for them but plenty of other players have to take defeat and move on. In any case I think some of the players involved will be keen to integrate themselves into the county set up soon enough and some of them may even wish to play this weekend. I don't see any problem giving them a week off but after the Wexford game i would expect to see them back involved.
What it does do though is highlight the stupidity in playing the semi finals of a competition 12 weeks after the previous round. The hardest stage of the club series to fall at is probably the AI semi final since all the hard work has been done with nothing additional to show for it. In the interest of player welfare and indeed the momentum built around the club series it would be far better to play the final before Christmas.
You seem to think this is new territory for Cross, it's not, for the guts of the past decade their players have slogged their guts out for both club and county, the lads you mentioned are relative newcomers to the Armagh panel but still they slog their guts out and I would not be surprised if they break down physically with injuries due to the fact their season tends to last ten months.
I agree with you that the delay is ridiculous, the GAA should help both club and county teams out by having the Club championship finished well before Christmas.
I definitely have a lot of sympathy with the Cross players training like dogs waiting 12 weeks on one match only to fall at the penultimate hurdle. Crokes and Brigids have fared even worse by training for semi finals in the last few years but still yet to realise success at the end of it. The GAA preach player welfare and want to decrease the training/match ratio and yet they still have this 12 week gap between rounds of a competition.
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Quote from: INDIANA on February 17, 2013, 07:14:25 PM
Not surprised. Predicted this 4 months ago.
Could be really mean and pull out the posts from crossbar and co.
But I won't........ ;D
Lol, good man, i hope you had plenty of money on it as you were so sure of it. More likely you didn't though as you havn't a clue. Your just raging cause ballymum will likely win it now while your own club are no where to be seen
Ah here now. Three batings in as many years and at pretty much every meaningful grade and the Apples are still writing off the Sheep. :'(
was glad to see Cross beat on saturday. now maybe someone will inform them that the GAA exists outside crossmaglen and they will start representing their county Thought it was reprehensive and cowardly what the Kernan boy did stamping on the St Brigids lads hand
Quotenow maybe someone will inform them that the GAA exists outside crossmaglen
Well it obviously exists in Kiltoom anyway.
Quotenow maybe someone will inform them that the GAA exists outside crossmaglen and they will start representing their county
If ye hang on until after the game v Longford I would appreciate it.
Thank you.
QuoteIf ye hang on until after the game v Longford I would appreciate it.
If Longford beat Armagh they'll not only be sending for Cross' players, but also for a manager.
Quote from: armaghniac on February 18, 2013, 01:48:07 PM
QuoteIf ye hang on until after the game v Longford I would appreciate it.
If Longford beat Armagh they'll not only be sending for Cross' players, but also for a manager.
It's far from a given that Armagh would beat Longford.
a) Longford aren't a bad team
b) Armagh are far from the force they once were.
Quote from: armaghniac on February 18, 2013, 01:48:07 PM
QuoteIf ye hang on until after the game v Longford I would appreciate it.
If Longford beat Armagh they'll not only be sending for Cross' players, but also for a manager.
Bollocks!!!
Can we please give our new manager time to at least get his championship squad together and maybe play a game or two in said competition before we kick him to the kerb?
Is Barden still injured? If he was fit I'd give Longford a huge chance of beating Armagh even if they named two dozen Cross players on the panel. Glen Ryan gets far too little respect for what he's doing in Longford and their underage structures are starting to bare fruit as well. Absolutely nothing in the relative levels of Longford and Armagh right now.
Quote from: yellowcard on February 17, 2013, 09:12:12 PM
Quote from: stew on February 17, 2013, 06:21:59 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on February 17, 2013, 04:59:23 PM
Quote from: stew on February 17, 2013, 02:24:34 PM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on February 16, 2013, 03:25:11 PM
2-7 to 1-9 for Brigids. Everything went for them today.
Thought Deegan was poor.
Good for Armagh?
Who know's if it will be or not, now is not the time to ponder that, now is the time to let these lads licks their wounds, heal up and in a month start thinking about the county set up.
BTW, Cross are incredible, they are a machine and they will be back, and I for one take great pride in the fact that they are from Armagh............ Having said that the Harps have some tremendous young talent coming up and I am hoping that in the years to come they can knock the snout out of them. ;D
Are you serious? Give them a month off and take them back in when the League is almost over? For some of them like McKeown, Morgan and Hanratty their county career has barely started and this is an opportunity for them to put their credentials on the line. If they require this week off I would give it to them but beyond that they should be involved for the following weekends match.
You are right, lets tell them not to worry about the fact they have being going at it for nigh on a year straight and that we dont give a feck about their health, lets throw them right into county play and dont give them a chance to process the Cross loss and the fact that their main goal of the past year has been crushed.
Bate them into the ground shure, after all there is said to be no rest for the wicked and everyone knows Cross are the evil empire. :P
What about all the other players in the squad who have had Sigerson committments, Decky McKenna who has been with Harps U21s, players training with U21 county have they not been flogged to death as well, only most of them had no success.
Cross took a months break after the Ulster campaign and began their preparation for the AI semi final around the turn of the year. They will have trained extremely hard in preparation for the AI semi final and your now suggesting a break of another month to help them digest a loss. Come on, its undoubtedly disappointing for them but plenty of other players have to take defeat and move on. In any case I think some of the players involved will be keen to integrate themselves into the county set up soon enough and some of them may even wish to play this weekend. I don't see any problem giving them a week off but after the Wexford game i would expect to see them back involved.
What it does do though is highlight the stupidity in playing the semi finals of a competition 12 weeks after the previous round. The hardest stage of the club series to fall at is probably the AI semi final since all the hard work has been done with nothing additional to show for it. In the interest of player welfare and indeed the momentum built around the club series it would be far better to play the final before Christmas.
Yes, other players play for their Uni's but none of them play near as much as the Cross men do, year in and year out and if a player wants to just jump straight in then great, I just think a break would do them the power of good, get them fresh, hungry and ready to go out and play for the County injury free.
Quote from: Syferus on February 18, 2013, 05:05:27 PM
Is Barden still injured? If he was fit I'd give Longford a huge chance of beating Armagh even if they named two dozen Cross players on the panel. Glen Ryan gets far too little respect for what he's doing in Longford and their underage structures are starting to bare fruit as well. Absolutely nothing in the relative levels of Longford and Armagh right now.
He is, and Brian Kavanagh is in Boston for the year.
Later than planned, my tactical analysis of how St Brigid's adopted a lot from Basketball (and I'm not talking hand-passing) to beat Crossmaglen http://action81.com/blog/?p=6746
Well done to St Brigid's. Stood toe-to-toe with the mighty men and came out the right side. Not many managed that.
Is Cake in the sawdoctors or does every 45 + year old in the West come to look like that. Big men should not wear that much lycra.
Quote from: stew on February 18, 2013, 04:50:38 PM
Bollocks!!!
Can we please give our new manager time to at least get his championship squad together and maybe play a game or two in said competition before we kick him to the kerb?
Whilst I agree with your dismissal of armaghniac's silly post this statement does not sit alongside your other posts about giving the Cross lads a break. We will have five national league games in five weeks now. How long of a break do you want to give the Cross lads?? The quicker they come back the more time Paul Grimley has to get his championship squad together and playing. James Morgan and Paul McKeown have a massive chance to get a championship place cemented over the coming weeks, they need to be out on the field impressing their manager. I'd imagine the Kernans will be back training immediately as they have always done this in the past, it'll be interesting to see how many others show up tonight.
QuoteWhilst I agree with your dismissal of armaghniac's silly post
I'm not particularly slagging Longford or Paul Grimley, but if we don't win our home games we are in danger of relegation and this would lead to criticism of the manager, whether you think it reasonable or not.