Renewal of one of the greatest rivalries at inter-county level during our lifetime. Cork on the way back with a lot of younger players all over the pitch, strong performance v Tipp in Munster but have not been the most convincing since that game with wins over Offaly and Wexford. Waterford scraped past Clare in Munster and put up a good performance v Tipp in Munster final.
I feel JBM will have that bit extra up his sleeve for that game, and will benefit from an extremely strong bench. If Cork can sort out their key defensive positions then I can see them going on to meet Galway in the semi final.
Quote from: CitySlicker11 on July 20, 2012, 04:03:29 PM
I feel JBM will have that bit extra up his sleeve for that game, and will benefit from an extremely strong bench. If Cork can sort out their key defensive positions then I can see them going on to meet Galway in the semi final.
I don't think we can though. JBM has shuffled the pack in defense but to no avail in terms of generating improvement in finding a dominant full-back or a half-back line that can compete in the air or for broken ball. We have to go with what we have and hope to limit the damage at this end.
I do agree with you that Cork have more options off the bench which may tell late on.
Waterford as a team have more big game experience and I am surprised the bookmakers have made Cork 4/6 favourites. Looks like another 50:50 game to me, will come down to a point or two between them at the end.
I think Stephen McDonnell is our best option at fullback. It's unfair the way he's been dropped after one bad game in the league final.
Quote from: CorkMan on July 21, 2012, 10:21:21 PM
I think Stephen McDonnell is our best option at fullback. It's unfair the way he's been dropped after one bad game in the league final.
Eoin Larkin gave him some working, but there was a tonne of ball coming into Larkin that day. Thought he was injured or something, very harsh on him otherwise..
I still think Waterford will have more joy out of the Cork backs than the Cork forwards will have out of the Waterford ones.
Will be another good competitive game to watch which is all good.
1. Anthony Nash 2. Shane O Neill 3. Stephen Mc Donnell 4. Brian Murphy 5. Tom Kenny 6. Eoin Cadogan 7. Sean Óg Ó hAilpin 8. Daniel Kearney 9. Pa Cronin 10. Conor Lehane 11. Cian McCarthy 12. Niall McCarthy 13. Paudie O'Sullivan 14. Luke O'Farrell 15. Patrick Horgan.
Cork team named as above for Sunday. Has more of a familiarity to it as opposed to the ones that have played in the last two rounds. I feel that the back line on paper anyway has been strengthened, interested in seeing how they cope with Waterford on Sunday.
Cork by 4.
I'd rather the Cork team was more settled and it's a pity that some of our young lads have lost a bit of form, a few players aren't ready yet, Joyce is injured etc but we've a good strong squad available to us and it's a physically strong side. It's good to see Sean Og back, we do need that experience and leadership he'll offer, and he'll give us everything, hopefully he'll have a massive game for us.
There are a few brave calls in there but I think they've gotten the ballance right, this was always going to be a transitional year, but I think if they play to their full potential we've enough here and on the bench to get a result on Sunday.
You can't say they're not afraid to make changes. We know that this year is more about learning what we have and what they can offer, I'm still not convinced the Cork management are 100% sure that they know what their best team is, but I'm pleased with the selection and hopefully we'll get a win.
Waterford and Cork matches are always massive days out, there's a great long running rivalry there and the atmosphere is always incredible and hopefully Cork will come out winners in the end.
Can't wait.
Quote from: Reillers on July 27, 2012, 01:34:13 AM
I'd rather the Cork team was more settled and it's a pity that some of our young lads have lost a bit of form, a few players aren't ready yet, Joyce is injured etc but we've a good strong squad available to us and it's a physically strong side. It's good to see Sean Og back, we do need that experience and leadership he'll offer, and he'll give us everything, hopefully he'll have a massive game for us.
There are a few brave calls in there but I think they've gotten the ballance right, this was always going to be a transitional year, but I think if they play to their full potential we've enough here and on the bench to get a result on Sunday.
You can't say they're not afraid to make changes. We know that this year is more about learning what we have and what they can offer, I'm still not convinced the Cork management are 100% sure that they know what their best team is, but I'm pleased with the selection and hopefully we'll get a win.
Waterford and Cork matches are always massive days out, there's a great long running rivalry there and the atmosphere is always incredible and hopefully Cork will come out winners in the end.
Can't wait.
Really looking forward to this, hoping to travel down.
Like all recent games between these two over the last 6/7 years I expect it to be very tight.
Fair play to Sean Óg for not whinging like last year and his endless press releases giving us by-weekly updates on how he still disagreed with Walsh's decision. He's got his reward with a start, hope he does well.
I backed Waterford at 13/8. It seems a good price. They are the proven team with many great leaders - Mullane, Prendergast, Brick and Moran to name a few. Like everyone else I think it will be very close and now I'm thinking I should have backed Waterford at 11/8 to go through to the next round as a draw is a strong possibility. Donal Og is a huge loss to Cork though and I think they'll feel it before the year is out. I hope Sean Og goes well but I'd be surprised if he does. It shows the heart of the guy that he's won his place back at 34 or 35 or whatever he is - fair achievement in itself.
I'd be interested to know how people here would rate john Mullane in terms of all the all-time greats. I think he's one of the top 3 hurlers of the last 10 years along with Henry and Tommy Walsh. I can't remember any forward who has delivered so consistently from play. It's hard to remember a championship game where he didn't score a few , win a few scoreable frees and generally cause mayhem in the opposing defence.
It was a real pity that the deise didn't manage an all ireland. They had the players but the timing was unfortunate with kilkenny peerless. A bit like roscommon 1977-80 who were up against kerry. Mullane deserved a celtic cross.
Quote from: seafoid on July 27, 2012, 03:14:46 PM
It was a real pity that the deise didn't manage an all ireland. They had the players but the timing was unfortunate with kilkenny peerless. A bit like roscommon 1977-80 who were up against kerry. Mullane deserved a celtic cross.
He surely did seafoid but he's not finished yet and still has an outside chance. They'll feel they have a great shot at getting to the final this year and from there anything can happen. If Galway don't do it then I hope Waterford do. It somehow seems like too much of a fairytale for it to happen though. Like Mayo winning the football.
I can't help feeling Waterford threw this away. The were getting well on top in the 2nd half and they made heavy work of pulling away from Cork and left the door open.
Cork will need to improve a lot to take on Galway.
Well most people on here got it right on the overall story of the game, though most tipped Waterford, always thought Cork had it in them to win this one. They got the mix just about right, great to see Sean Óg pop up with a point. Will need to improve massively for the next day, I think they will make the final now.
Disappointing for the deise. Kilkenny regain their composure. If tipp could beat them the next day galway would need to beat all of the old firm to win the championship. That would be a REAL all ireland.
Quote from: seafoid on July 29, 2012, 06:56:25 PM
Disappointing for the deise. Kilkenny regain their composure. If tipp could beat them the next day galway would need to beat all of the old firm to win the championship. That would be a REAL all ireland.
It beats Galway winning All Irelands by just winning 2 games like in the old days!
I thought Waterford should have brought on Eoin Kelly, since they were so short of subs.
He might be a toolbox, but he'd have a better idea of where the posts are than some of the rest of their forwards.
Quote from: Premier Emperor on July 30, 2012, 09:47:06 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 29, 2012, 06:56:25 PM
Disappointing for the deise. Kilkenny regain their composure. If tipp could beat them the next day galway would need to beat all of the old firm to win the championship. That would be a REAL all ireland.
It beats Galway winning All Irelands by just winning 2 games like in the old days!
Or Tipp buying refs !
Quote from: seafoid on July 30, 2012, 10:19:14 AM
Quote from: Premier Emperor on July 30, 2012, 09:47:06 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 29, 2012, 06:56:25 PM
Disappointing for the deise. Kilkenny regain their composure. If tipp could beat them the next day galway would need to beat all of the old firm to win the championship. That would be a REAL all ireland.
It beats Galway winning All Irelands by just winning 2 games like in the old days!
Or Tipp buying refs !
Or Tipp having the better hurlers.
Quote from: Premier Emperor on July 30, 2012, 10:53:36 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 30, 2012, 10:19:14 AM
Quote from: Premier Emperor on July 30, 2012, 09:47:06 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 29, 2012, 06:56:25 PM
Disappointing for the deise. Kilkenny regain their composure. If tipp could beat them the next day galway would need to beat all of the old firm to win the championship. That would be a REAL all ireland.
It beats Galway winning All Irelands by just winning 2 games like in the old days!
Or Tipp buying refs !
Or Tipp having the better hurlers.
we had to wait until 91 for that !
Tipperary 1989/91 Team
Kevin Cashman waxes lyrical about the style of the Tipperary team under "Babs" – Sunday Tribune June 10th 1990, while also – perhaps uniquely among national journalists of the the time - seeing through the motivation and inaccuracy of much of the criticism of John Denton, the Wexford referee of the 1989 All-Ireland semi-final between Tipp and Galway .
"We can be, and we very often are, a contrary and capricious and captious people. We get style from Tipperary and about half of us say "Tipp are no good". We get blunt basicity from Jack's Braves and the same half of us say "Jack's lot have no style".
That half of the populace seemingly cannot grasp the imperative that you play, as Jack does, with what you have. And mere spectators and hacks, if they have a titter of wit and feeling, give thanks and respect for whatever is achieved. Take for – possibly the best – example Cork's All-Ireland winners of 1966: nobody will ever ascribe to them the elegant accomplishment which, the aged say, distinguished their predecessors of 1944 and, we all know, their successors of 1984 and just randomly – the Galway team which threw away the final of '79. Perhaps the decriers should demand that those Cork players of '66 hand over those medals to the Galway men of '79, and that, on 9 July, Jack's Braves hand over their medals to, say, the French or Brazilians of '82 or '86.
The rest of us are happy to have lived to see the beauty of these football teams, and sensible enough to have seen and to remember how their own deficiencies thwarted them. And happier to acknowledge the abundance of beautiful hurling given us by Tipperary since June '1987. And sensible enough, again, to perceive that Tipp now have fewer frailties than almost any champions of the past quarter century.
In the spate of bitterness and recrimination – and ruffianly detraction of John Denton – before, during, and after last year's All-Ireland semi-final, the one true and good thing inside that whole horrible episode was ignored and forgotten. In the first twenty minutes of the "game" Tipp played hurling that came within about five narrow wides of perfection The mood of Croke Park – rather akin, one suspects to a Mississippi lynching, or a Nuremburg book burning – soon polluted and halted that excellent demonstration of excellence. But anyone wanting to discover or exhibit the awesomeness and purity of great hurling need look no further than her or his videotape of that twenty minutes.
When you hear, as unfortunates condemned to read letters to the Sports Editor of this newspaper do all the time, "hurling is a simple game" you know it is time to drain your glass and move on. The austerity of Declan Ryan's and Conal Bonnar's stickwork is not simple; it is pure, as is the cadenced symmetry of Declan Carr's and Michael Cleary's and Nickolas English's stickwork. Nor simple was the genius and dedication by which Keating and Co. discovered and disciplined a whole new panel in the few months between the disaster of Ennis '86 and the ecstasy of Killarney '87.
http://www.premierview.ie/quote-unquote.html
Quote from: Premier Emperor on July 30, 2012, 01:01:05 PM
Tipperary 1989/91 Team
Kevin Cashman waxes lyrical about the style of the Tipperary team under "Babs" – Sunday Tribune June 10th 1990, while also – perhaps uniquely among national journalists of the the time - seeing through the motivation and inaccuracy of much of the criticism of John Denton, the Wexford referee of the 1989 All-Ireland semi-final between Tipp and Galway .
"We can be, and we very often are, a contrary and capricious and captious people. We get style from Tipperary and about half of us say "Tipp are no good". We get blunt basicity from Jack's Braves and the same half of us say "Jack's lot have no style".
That half of the populace seemingly cannot grasp the imperative that you play, as Jack does, with what you have. And mere spectators and hacks, if they have a titter of wit and feeling, give thanks and respect for whatever is achieved. Take for – possibly the best – example Cork's All-Ireland winners of 1966: nobody will ever ascribe to them the elegant accomplishment which, the aged say, distinguished their predecessors of 1944 and, we all know, their successors of 1984 and just randomly – the Galway team which threw away the final of '79. Perhaps the decriers should demand that those Cork players of '66 hand over those medals to the Galway men of '79, and that, on 9 July, Jack's Braves hand over their medals to, say, the French or Brazilians of '82 or '86.
The rest of us are happy to have lived to see the beauty of these football teams, and sensible enough to have seen and to remember how their own deficiencies thwarted them. And happier to acknowledge the abundance of beautiful hurling given us by Tipperary since June '1987. And sensible enough, again, to perceive that Tipp now have fewer frailties than almost any champions of the past quarter century.
In the spate of bitterness and recrimination – and ruffianly detraction of John Denton – before, during, and after last year's All-Ireland semi-final, the one true and good thing inside that whole horrible episode was ignored and forgotten. In the first twenty minutes of the "game" Tipp played hurling that came within about five narrow wides of perfection The mood of Croke Park – rather akin, one suspects to a Mississippi lynching, or a Nuremburg book burning – soon polluted and halted that excellent demonstration of excellence. But anyone wanting to discover or exhibit the awesomeness and purity of great hurling need look no further than her or his videotape of that twenty minutes.
When you hear, as unfortunates condemned to read letters to the Sports Editor of this newspaper do all the time, "hurling is a simple game" you know it is time to drain your glass and move on. The austerity of Declan Ryan's and Conal Bonnar's stickwork is not simple; it is pure, as is the cadenced symmetry of Declan Carr's and Michael Cleary's and Nickolas English's stickwork. Nor simple was the genius and dedication by which Keating and Co. discovered and disciplined a whole new panel in the few months between the disaster of Ennis '86 and the ecstasy of Killarney '87.
http://www.premierview.ie/quote-unquote.html
Tipp 91 were better than Galway. Tipp 89 weren't.
Sure they couldn't even get out of Munster the year after.
Galway have a pathetic record. Only a few all irelands to show for all those automatic semi-final appearances.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on July 30, 2012, 08:48:16 PM
Galway have a pathetic record. Only a few all irelands to show for all those automatic semi-final appearances.
I'm hoping their record gets worse. Anything less than their performance against Kilkenny will give Cork a good chance of beating them.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on July 30, 2012, 08:48:16 PM
Galway have a pathetic record. Only a few all irelands to show for all those automatic semi-final appearances.
They never lost an all Ireland to a last minute free taken by a goalie after being 4 points up with 3 minutes left !
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Great day's sport in Thurles yesterday, pity it wasn't our day. I thought we had them when we went three points up but they had the bench and we didn't (use ours). You can read what I thought here (http://www.comeonthedeise.ie/2012/07/30/waterford-0-19-19-cork-1-19-22/)
Quote from: deiseach on July 30, 2012, 09:42:28 PM
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Great day's sport in Thurles yesterday, pity it wasn't our day. I thought we had them when we went three points up but they had the bench and we didn't (use ours). You can read what I thought here (http://www.comeonthedeise.ie/2012/07/30/waterford-0-19-19-cork-1-19-22/)
Hard luck Deiseach. It's not nice when your county goes out of the championship and age doesn't soften the blow really.
Hopefully Galway can strike a blow for the untouchables this year.
Quote from: seafoid on July 30, 2012, 10:21:39 PM
Hard luck Deiseach. It's not nice when your county goes out of the championship and age doesn't soften the blow really.
Hopefully Galway can strike a blow for the untouchables this year.
Meh, I cope by having low expectations. Forza Galway!