Starts Today.
The trial of John Terry for allegedly racially abusing Anton Ferdinand will get under way on Monday.
The Chelsea captain and England defender Terry, 31, was charged with a racially aggravated breach of public order after a remark made to Queens Park Rangers player Ferdinand at a Premier League game in October 2011.
Terry could face a £2,500 fine if convicted at the Westminster magistrates court trial, which is expected to last five days.
Police questioned Terry in November 2011 after a complaint from the public and crown prosecutors decided he should be charged with the summary offence.
The comment was allegedly made, and seemingly caught on footage, to the QPR defender when the two teams met at Loftus Road.
Terry's lawyer entered a not guilty plea on his behalf at Westminster magistrates court in February.
His trial was delayed until after the Euro 2012 championships after District Judge Howard Riddle heard that a number of other Chelsea players would not be able to appear as witnesses until the end of the football season.
Chelsea won the Champions League and FA Cup this season and Terry played in the England team that reached the quarter-finals of Euro 2012 in June.
A £2500 fine. Really? Is that all we can look forward to? Why bother if you ask me, you could add another few zeroes on it and it probably wouldn't be that big a deal.
Did they not jail some chap for 6 months for racially abusing Muamba on Twitter? I was hoping JT was going to get the same judge who presided over that case... :(
Was thinking the same. £1m donation to some charity and community service in Handsworth.
Quote from: ONeill on July 09, 2012, 09:45:46 AM
Was thinking the same. £1m donation to some charity and community service in Handsworth.
Not too bad a spot now ONeill, however if they sent him to
Somalia Sparkbrook there'd be a good chance he wouldn't be seen again.
Something similar to what happened John McClane (Bruce Willis) in start of Die Hard 3.
Quote from: screenmachine on July 09, 2012, 09:00:36 AM
A £2500 fine. Really? Is that all we can look forward to? Why bother if you ask me, you could add another few zeroes on it and it probably wouldn't be that big a deal.
Did they not jail some chap for 6 months for racially abusing Muamba on Twitter? I was hoping JT was going to get the same judge who presided over that case... :(
Not a lot of money is right but if he is convicted he will have the racist tag attached to him for rest of his career, rest of his life even.
This will no doubt have a negative effect on whatever sponsorship deals he has, like boot deals etc and also whatever plans he has when he is finished football.
I dislike Terry as much as anyone but I think it only fair to say that making a racist comment does not necessarily imply you are a racist.
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 09, 2012, 10:17:55 AM
I dislike Terry as much as anyone but I think it only fair to say that making a racist comment does not necessarily imply you are a racist.
True but also it would be very hard to convince people you aren't a racist if you are convicted for racial abuse towards someone.
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 09, 2012, 10:17:55 AM
I dislike Terry as much as anyone but I think it only fair to say that making a racist comment does not necessarily imply you are a racist.
So Saurez wasn't a racist? I agree with you but if many were to be believed Saurez was a step away from being a hood wearing KKK leader. Terry is a stupid idiot and even if convicted this will go over his head completely. Reminds me a lot of the Lee Bowyer/Woodgate trial, Bowyer is the little **** version of Terry.
The one thing I would say, if Terry was a football fan as opposed to a player do you think he would be the kind that would throw bananas and make monkey chants? I think he would.
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Quote from: ONeill on July 09, 2012, 09:45:46 AM
Was thinking the same. £1m donation to some charity and community service in Handsworth.
Not too bad a spot now ONeill, however if they sent him to Somalia Sparkbrook there'd be a good chance he wouldn't be seen again.
I once had a f**got in Sparkbrook. Never again.
f**got a bad word? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faggot_(food)
Quote from: screenmachine on July 09, 2012, 09:00:36 AM
A £2500 fine. Really? Is that all we can look forward to? Why bother if you ask me, you could add another few zeroes on it and it probably wouldn't be that big a deal.
Did they not jail some chap for 6 months for racially abusing Muamba on Twitter? I was hoping JT was going to get the same judge who presided over that case... :(
No, they did not...he got 8
weeks...Maybe both you and Terry are hoping he gets that judge...but since it's being heard in the magistrates court, in this case, there is no judge.
Now whether Terry is guilty or not will come out but it's better to deal in fact.
I still find it hard to believe that Terry said what he is alleged to, especially given the make-up of the Chelsea team. Today is the first time I have heard that Anton Ferdinand was abusing Terry verbally regaridng his affair. I have said this before, but why clamp down on certain types of abuse and not others, is it ok to harass and abuse people because of any reason other than their sexual preference or colour?
Hang 'em High!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 09, 2012, 11:33:11 AM
I still find it hard to believe that Terry said what he is alleged to, especially given the make-up of the Chelsea team. Today is the first time I have heard that Anton Ferdinand was abusing Terry verbally regaridng his affair. I have said this before, but why clamp down on certain types of abuse and not others, is it ok to harass and abuse people because of any reason other than their sexual preference or colour?
yes, you united supporting ballbag ;) :D
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Quote from: nrico2006 on July 09, 2012, 11:33:11 AM
I still find it hard to believe that Terry said what he is alleged to
But he did say it. He has admitted he said those words.
BREAKING: John Terry arrived at court, made statement: "I'm NOT a racist. Racism is a crime - and crime is for black people."
(@somebody)
Quote from: ONeill on July 09, 2012, 11:41:16 AM
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You have to hand it to Prince Philip...he looks well for 91.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on July 09, 2012, 10:25:32 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 09, 2012, 10:17:55 AM
I dislike Terry as much as anyone but I think it only fair to say that making a racist comment does not necessarily imply you are a racist.
So Saurez wasn't a racist? I agree with you but if many were to be believed Saurez was a step away from being a hood wearing KKK leader. Terry is a stupid idiot and even if convicted this will go over his head completely. Reminds me a lot of the Lee Bowyer/Woodgate trial, Bowyer is the little **** version of Terry.
The one thing I would say, if Terry was a football fan as opposed to a player do you think he would be the kind that would throw bananas and make monkey chants? I think he would.
Well if Kenny and the T-shirt wearing brigade and many others were to be believed Suarez did nothing wrong!!! Don't you know it's not an insult in Uruguay??? Evra's evidence was unreliable....blah blah. You're on dangerous ground with that one - at least the anti-Suarez ott stuff wasn't from the club itself.
I just get the impression that Terry is a bully.
I presume if he is found guilty the FA will have to act with a ban?
Quote from: EC Unique on July 09, 2012, 12:56:13 PM
I presume if he is found guilty the FA will have to act with a ban?
I'd think he'd have to get something similar to Suarez.
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Quote from: ONeill on July 09, 2012, 09:45:46 AM
Was thinking the same. £1m donation to some charity and community service in Handsworth.
Not too bad a spot now ONeill, however if they sent him to Somalia Sparkbrook there'd be a good chance he wouldn't be seen again.
I once had a f**got in Sparkbrook. Never again.
f**got a bad word? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faggot_(food)
Did you have them with
peas pays? Good wholesome Yam Yam soul food ::) ::).
Is it all just a media circus?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-18760180
Mr Ferdinand told the court that initially he did not think any racist terms had been used.
But after the match, his girlfriend at the time played him a YouTube clip and he changed his mind.
Mr Ferdinand told the court that if he had realised at the time he would have told officials.
Quote from: Gazzler on July 09, 2012, 11:41:50 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 09, 2012, 11:33:11 AM
I still find it hard to believe that Terry said what he is alleged to
But he did say it. He has admitted he said those words.
Terry is being charged for saying it in a different context from what he claims.
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 09, 2012, 02:02:49 PM
Quote from: Gazzler on July 09, 2012, 11:41:50 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 09, 2012, 11:33:11 AM
I still find it hard to believe that Terry said what he is alleged to
But he did say it. He has admitted he said those words.
Terry is being charged for saying it in a different context from what he claims.
Yeah I know he is. Laughable isn't it.
Quote from: Denn Forever on July 09, 2012, 01:59:16 PM
Is it all just a media circus?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-18760180
Mr Ferdinand told the court that initially he did not think any racist terms had been used.
But after the match, his girlfriend at the time played him a YouTube clip and he changed his mind.
Mr Ferdinand told the court that if he had realised at the time he would have told officials.
Ferdinand is as bad as Terry. Neither is a gentleman.
Quote from: seafoid on July 09, 2012, 03:55:25 PM
Quote from: Denn Forever on July 09, 2012, 01:59:16 PM
Is it all just a media circus?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-18760180
Mr Ferdinand told the court that initially he did not think any racist terms had been used.
But after the match, his girlfriend at the time played him a YouTube clip and he changed his mind.
Mr Ferdinand told the court that if he had realised at the time he would have told officials.
Ferdinand is as bad as Terry. Neither is a gentleman.
Yes, if either man had anything about them, they would have settled it with pistols at dawn.
I see rio has got in on the act on twitter today.
Quote from: bridgegael on July 09, 2012, 09:06:36 PM
I see rio has got in on the act on twitter today.
Saying what?
Something along the lines of, " film of the day "liar liar" great show"
Terry's legal team pushing to have the case dismissed through lack of evidence and Ferdinand's poor credibility as a witness.
So Terry says he did call Ferdinand a black **** but in his defence it was in the context of saying that he didn't call him a black **** yet Ferdinand says he never heard him calling him anything!
Bizarre alright and Terry's lawyers says Ferdinand lacks credibility
Application to have the charges dismissed was unsuccessful, the trial goes on, Terry now giving evidence. Unless Terry shoots himself in the foot while giving evidence (which is possible), I'd say it has gone well for him and there's a fair chance of a not guilty based on reasonable doubt.
Quote from: Declan on July 10, 2012, 02:43:46 PM
So Terry says he did call Ferdinand a black **** but in his defence it was in the context of saying that he didn't call him a black **** yet Ferdinand says he never heard him calling him anything!
Bizarre alright and Terry's lawyers says Ferdinand lacks credibility
But if Ferdinand had heard Terry calling him a black ****, he would have been very insulted.
If Craggy Island had a courthouse ....
Quote from: AQMP on July 10, 2012, 02:54:48 PM
Application to have the charges dismissed was unsuccessful, the trial goes on, Terry now giving evidence. Unless Terry shoots himself in the foot while giving evidence (which is possible), I'd say it has gone well for him and there's a fair chance of a not guilty based on reasonable doubt.
Yeah, I'd say that it has gone well for Terry so far. He has been consistant with his evidence, and to the best of my knowledge the Ferdinand prosecution has not shown anything or delivered anything to countenance this. Indeed the lip reader employed by the prosecution admitted that 'it was not an exact science'!
We've already seen evidence where Ferdinand may be classed as unreliable as he has already changed his story about the run up to the exchange.
On a side note, Rio Ferdinand is really embarassing himself throughout this, and a lot of neutrals in Twitter are starting to question his influence on his brother through all of this. Indeed the defence lawyer has alluded to Rio's influence in the trial IIRC.
Quote from: Declan on July 10, 2012, 02:43:46 PM
So Terry says he did call Ferdinand a black **** but in his defence it was in the context of saying that he didn't call him a black **** yet Ferdinand says he never heard him calling him anything!
Bizarre alright and Terry's lawyers says Ferdinand lacks credibility
Agreed. Ferdinand probably does lack credibility, but surely not as much credibility as saying you were responding to someone incorrectly thinking you had called them something (particularly when that someone didn't actually hear anything). Surely if he did think Ferdinand was incorrectly accusing him of calling him a "black c*nt" he would say "black c*nt? I didn't call you a black c*nt" not "...black c*nt, f*cking knobhead"
Jesus, this thread is boring the arse off me. I'm off to watch 'Love Thy Neighbour'.
Quote from: CiKe on July 10, 2012, 06:56:02 PM
Quote from: Declan on July 10, 2012, 02:43:46 PM
So Terry says he did call Ferdinand a black **** but in his defence it was in the context of saying that he didn't call him a black **** yet Ferdinand says he never heard him calling him anything!
Bizarre alright and Terry's lawyers says Ferdinand lacks credibility
Agreed. Ferdinand probably does lack credibility, but surely not as much credibility as saying you were responding to someone incorrectly thinking you had called them something (particularly when that someone didn't actually hear anything). Surely if he did think Ferdinand was incorrectly accusing him of calling him a "black c*nt" he would say "black c*nt? I didn't call you a black c*nt" not "...black c*nt, f*cking knobhead"
I don't disagree with you, but the burden of proof is on the accuser and Ferdinand is the main prosecution witness. If he lacks credibility and it's a case of he said/he said then it's hard to give a guilty verdict?
I hear he will get £2.5k fine if Guilty. If he gets £150k a week, that would be 1.7 of a wwkly wage. So if he is proven guilty how many games of a ban? Will he get 8 from the English FA? Or is this seperate and will be ignored by FA?
Apologies not up to speed on this.
Quote from: AQMP on July 10, 2012, 07:32:14 PM
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Quote from: Declan on July 10, 2012, 02:43:46 PM
So Terry says he did call Ferdinand a black **** but in his defence it was in the context of saying that he didn't call him a black **** yet Ferdinand says he never heard him calling him anything!
Bizarre alright and Terry's lawyers says Ferdinand lacks credibility
Agreed. Ferdinand probably does lack credibility, but surely not as much credibility as saying you were responding to someone incorrectly thinking you had called them something (particularly when that someone didn't actually hear anything). Surely if he did think Ferdinand was incorrectly accusing him of calling him a "black c*nt" he would say "black c*nt? I didn't call you a black c*nt" not "...black c*nt, f*cking knobhead"
I don't disagree with you, but the burden of proof is on the accuser and Ferdinand is the main prosecution witness. If he lacks credibility and it's a case of he said/he said then it's hard to give a guilty verdict?
I'm no lawyer but you're maybe right in although I don't think Ferdinand's testimony was the key reason for the trial (wasn't it brought because some member of the public complained?) and whilst he is a witness for prosecution, clearly their case seems to rest on the video evidence? At the end of day if there is no witness to a murder but the killer is caught on CCTV then he would be found guilty. Probably someone will pick holes in my logic but interested to hear your thoughts
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Quote from: Declan on July 10, 2012, 02:43:46 PM
So Terry says he did call Ferdinand a black **** but in his defence it was in the context of saying that he didn't call him a black **** yet Ferdinand says he never heard him calling him anything!
Bizarre alright and Terry's lawyers says Ferdinand lacks credibility
Agreed. Ferdinand probably does lack credibility, but surely not as much credibility as saying you were responding to someone incorrectly thinking you had called them something (particularly when that someone didn't actually hear anything). Surely if he did think Ferdinand was incorrectly accusing him of calling him a "black c*nt" he would say "black c*nt? I didn't call you a black c*nt" not "...black c*nt, f*cking knobhead"
I don't disagree with you, but the burden of proof is on the accuser and Ferdinand is the main prosecution witness. If he lacks credibility and it's a case of he said/he said then it's hard to give a guilty verdict?
I'm no lawyer but you're maybe right in although I don't think Ferdinand's testimony was the key reason for the trial (wasn't it brought because some member of the public complained?) and whilst he is a witness for prosecution, clearly their case seems to rest on the video evidence? At the end of day if there is no witness to a murder but the killer is caught on CCTV then he would be found guilty. Probably someone will pick holes in my logic but interested to hear your thoughts
It like this, on the CCTV two guys were trying to stab each other. Then they walked awaywith no one really stabbed,and shook hands later. Then one of them comes back and says no my girlfriend says you did in fact stab me.... Something like that. See Ashley Coles testimony on BBC. Terry looks like he'll get off. Also he looks like a racist but there you go.
I called a guy a Mexican **** at soccer one, bit racist I suppose but not the way I meant it really. Cos he was in fact Mexican and at the time he was being a ****.
Reading what they were saying to each other makes me wonder are they 12 year old stuck in the bodies if men.
Quote from: CiKe on July 10, 2012, 09:26:43 PM
Quote from: AQMP on July 10, 2012, 07:32:14 PM
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Quote from: Declan on July 10, 2012, 02:43:46 PM
So Terry says he did call Ferdinand a black **** but in his defence it was in the context of saying that he didn't call him a black **** yet Ferdinand says he never heard him calling him anything!
Bizarre alright and Terry's lawyers says Ferdinand lacks credibility
Agreed. Ferdinand probably does lack credibility, but surely not as much credibility as saying you were responding to someone incorrectly thinking you had called them something (particularly when that someone didn't actually hear anything). Surely if he did think Ferdinand was incorrectly accusing him of calling him a "black c*nt" he would say "black c*nt? I didn't call you a black c*nt" not "...black c*nt, f*cking knobhead"
I don't disagree with you, but the burden of proof is on the accuser and Ferdinand is the main prosecution witness. If he lacks credibility and it's a case of he said/he said then it's hard to give a guilty verdict?
I'm no lawyer but you're maybe right in although I don't think Ferdinand's testimony was the key reason for the trial (wasn't it brought because some member of the public complained?) and whilst he is a witness for prosecution, clearly their case seems to rest on the video evidence? At the end of day if there is no witness to a murder but the killer is caught on CCTV then he would be found guilty. Probably someone will pick holes in my logic but interested to hear your thoughts
I presume this member of the public heard the exchange, alerted the police and will giving evidence?
Quote from: CiKe on July 10, 2012, 09:26:43 PM
Quote from: AQMP on July 10, 2012, 07:32:14 PM
Quote from: CiKe on July 10, 2012, 06:56:02 PM
Quote from: Declan on July 10, 2012, 02:43:46 PM
So Terry says he did call Ferdinand a black **** but in his defence it was in the context of saying that he didn't call him a black **** yet Ferdinand says he never heard him calling him anything!
Bizarre alright and Terry's lawyers says Ferdinand lacks credibility
Agreed. Ferdinand probably does lack credibility, but surely not as much credibility as saying you were responding to someone incorrectly thinking you had called them something (particularly when that someone didn't actually hear anything). Surely if he did think Ferdinand was incorrectly accusing him of calling him a "black c*nt" he would say "black c*nt? I didn't call you a black c*nt" not "...black c*nt, f*cking knobhead"
I don't disagree with you, but the burden of proof is on the accuser and Ferdinand is the main prosecution witness. If he lacks credibility and it's a case of he said/he said then it's hard to give a guilty verdict?
I'm no lawyer but you're maybe right in although I don't think Ferdinand's testimony was the key reason for the trial (wasn't it brought because some member of the public complained?) and whilst he is a witness for prosecution, clearly their case seems to rest on the video evidence? At the end of day if there is no witness to a murder but the killer is caught on CCTV then he would be found guilty. Probably someone will pick holes in my logic but interested to hear your thoughts
Again I don't disagree with you, but it appears that the video evidence is inconclusive as the lip reading expert wasn't able to give a full account of the exchange between Ferdinand and Terry due to other players walking between the cameras and the players. There were also at least two words which she saw but couldn't make out.
Yeah, and who is the member of the public?? I seem to remember that it was someone who saw the video and made a complaint later that evening, rather than someone who was in the crowd (I might be wrong on this).
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Quote from: Declan on July 10, 2012, 02:43:46 PM
So Terry says he did call Ferdinand a black **** but in his defence it was in the context of saying that he didn't call him a black **** yet Ferdinand says he never heard him calling him anything!
Bizarre alright and Terry's lawyers says Ferdinand lacks credibility
Agreed. Ferdinand probably does lack credibility, but surely not as much credibility as saying you were responding to someone incorrectly thinking you had called them something (particularly when that someone didn't actually hear anything). Surely if he did think Ferdinand was incorrectly accusing him of calling him a "black c*nt" he would say "black c*nt? I didn't call you a black c*nt" not "...black c*nt, f*cking knobhead"
I don't disagree with you, but the burden of proof is on the accuser and Ferdinand is the main prosecution witness. If he lacks credibility and it's a case of he said/he said then it's hard to give a guilty verdict?
I'm no lawyer but you're maybe right in although I don't think Ferdinand's testimony was the key reason for the trial (wasn't it brought because some member of the public complained?) and whilst he is a witness for prosecution, clearly their case seems to rest on the video evidence? At the end of day if there is no witness to a murder but the killer is caught on CCTV then he would be found guilty. Probably someone will pick holes in my logic but interested to hear your thoughts
Again I don't disagree with you, but it appears that the video evidence is inconclusive as the lip reading expert wasn't able to give a full account of the exchange between Ferdinand and Terry due to other players walking between the cameras and the players. There were also at least two words which she saw but couldn't make out.
Yeah, and who is the member of the public?? I seem to remember that it was someone who saw the video and made a complaint later that evening, rather than someone who was in the crowd (I might be wrong on this).
So,
Ferdinand never heard Terry calling him a black cúnt, but Ferdinands girlfriend after watching it on TV, thought that he did!, some
arsehole with nothing better to do member of the public who may not even have been at the match complained to the police about something they didn't hear on TV? On second thoughts, if any of the crowd had of heard it there probably would have been uproar from them at the time, so obviously the crowd never heard it either!
Terry doesn't deny saying it and those who may have heard it ( A Cole) isn't giving evidence.
So the main evidence against John Terry is Terry himself?
I know the Met are very sensitive about this whole race think after being accused of being institutionally racist, but this is beyond a joke.
So, a player is out on the field and gets into a bit of a barney with someone. For the purposes of this say that being called a British **** is tantamount to being called a black **** under the current law.
Armagh player - "f**k off you p***k"
Laois Player - "f**k off you "indecipherable words" ****"
Armagh player - "Did you call me a British ****?"
Laois Player - "No I didn't call you a British ****, you f**king Knobhead!"
Is this the sort of interaction there was between Ferdinand and Terry, if so that in fairness as much as I can't stand the prock I would think that he should have no case to answer to.
It was an off duty police officer watching at home on TV who seen Terry (lipreading) use it and he made the complaint.
Thousands seen Terry do it on TV as it was all over youtube pretty much straight away.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on July 11, 2012, 11:33:55 AM
So, a player is out on the field and gets into a bit of a barney with someone. For the purposes of this say that being called a British **** is tantamount to being called a black **** under the current law.
Armagh player - "f**k off you p***k"
Laois Player - "f**k off you "indecipherable words" ****"
Armagh player - "Did you call me a British ****?"
Laois Player - "No I didn't call you a British ****, you f**king Knobhead!"
Is this the sort of interaction there was between Ferdinand and Terry, if so that in fairness as much as I can't stand the prock I would think that he should have no case to answer to.
Thats it but the Laois player is denying he said "Did you call me a British ****?"
and their is no footage of what was actually said by the Laois player.
Its turned slightly today. The prosecution have footage where Terry says "And yours" just before he utter the UBC or as Terry claims ABC. This could be key in that Ferdinand says it started over him having a pop at Terry over shagging Bridges missus, they are now saying that Terry responed with a "F*** off. And Yours, UBC. U f***ing knobhead".
As a knobhead, I find this offensive.
Follow Daniel Taylor on twitter. He is giving good updates on the case.
https://twitter.com/DTguardian
(https://twitter.com/DTguardian)
Its getting better! Part of John Terrys defence is that he takes lots of abuse and doesn't react to this.
He said the most common topics thrown at him are his affair with Bridges missus and that his Mother likes scouse c*ck. Cue him discussing this and telling of the song sung at him that "johns terry ma, she loves the scouse c*ck".
By some accounts this scouser was Jamie Carra's brother.
Ashley Cole now giving evidence on behalf of Terry...a right rogues gallery!
If Terry's excuse is he said 'I didn't call you a black cnut'
Then who accused him of saying it for him to give that response?
The best bit of the whole charade is what Ashley Cole said to Ferdinand "You can't talk to JT like that", during the "verbals", as of he was the Dalai Lama.
Quote from: Gazzler on July 11, 2012, 01:28:05 PM
If Terry's excuse is he said 'I didn't call you a black cnut'
Then who accused him of saying it for him to give that response?
He claims he heard Ferdinand say something about "a black cnut". Terry read into this that Ferdinand was accusing Terry of calling him "a black cnut", so he claims he said "I didn't call you a black cnut"...mind you he admits adding "...you f**king knobhead".
FWIW, I'm not taking a Chelsea tinted glasses view of this. I agree with the prosecution line that in the heat of the moment after a bit of verbal winding up from Ferdinand, Terry lost the head and called Ferdinand a black cnut. It doesn't mean he's a racist per se but it was a racist comment.
But that is hard to prove conclusively...
Quote from: AQMP on July 11, 2012, 01:43:32 PM
Quote from: Gazzler on July 11, 2012, 01:28:05 PM
If Terry's excuse is he said 'I didn't call you a black cnut'
Then who accused him of saying it for him to give that response?
He claims he heard Ferdinand say something about "a black cnut". Terry read into this that Ferdinand was accusing Terry of calling him "a black cnut", so he claims he said "I didn't call you a black cnut"...mind you he admits adding "...you f**king knobhead".
FWIW, I'm not taking a Chelsea tinted glasses view of this. I agree with the prosecution line that in the heat of the moment after a bit of verbal winding up from Ferdinand, Terry lost the head and called Ferdinand a black cnut. It doesn't mean he's a racist per se but it was a racist comment.
But that is hard to prove conclusively...
Maybe he should try the Suarez defence, my granny is black?
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Quote from: Gazzler on July 11, 2012, 01:28:05 PM
If Terry's excuse is he said 'I didn't call you a black cnut'
Then who accused him of saying it for him to give that response?
He claims he heard Ferdinand say something about "a black cnut". Terry read into this that Ferdinand was accusing Terry of calling him "a black cnut", so he claims he said "I didn't call you a black cnut"...mind you he admits adding "...you f**king knobhead".
FWIW, I'm not taking a Chelsea tinted glasses view of this. I agree with the prosecution line that in the heat of the moment after a bit of verbal winding up from Ferdinand, Terry lost the head and called Ferdinand a black cnut. It doesn't mean he's a racist per se but it was a racist comment.
But that is hard to prove conclusively...
Maybe he should try the Suarez defence, my granny is black?
Or the JT defence, "why would I call him a cnut when everyone knows I too am a cnut!"
Surprised no one has mentioned please, please, please, please.
Very funny. Thought it was a wind up when I first heard it!
It has cause divisions anyway:
However, Didier Drogba, whose Africa-facing charity Terry said in the witness box he has supported, Nicolas Anelka, Florent Malouda and John Obi Mikel – all of whom were involved in the match in question – did not provide affidavits. Neither did any England team-mate .
Er Cahill, Sturridge and Cole aren't they Eng team mates?
Re Drogs and Mikel, people are saying they couldn't sign the document as they were already being character witnesses via the charity (DD) and the possibility of being called as a witness at some point (JOM). Not sure how true that is. I'd be doubtful.
terry not a racist but is an idiot, he plays with so many black players that if he was a true racist, this would have come out of the closet yrs ago!!! what annoys me is any p***k can make complain about a player but can get away with daylight murder in abusing players saying this is OK cause they are getting paid alot, its not alright, this excuse is a disgrace, just like posh spice take s it up the ass, not what any husband likes to hear, especially with children at the grounds, is used to get so back u could hear it on TV! if some body give the same abuse on the street the police would do f**k all about it, but cause hes a player in the papers its open season!! how a certain Mrs robinson got away with some disgraceful things said about gay people without been took up forbey multi complaints kinda shows the madness terry has to deal with, Robinson got away with it cause that's the way them people are mentality, when she should have been took up on what she said!! but a supposed mental break down (as if) and the whole thing was dropped, players are easy targets,AND ALOT OF THEM ARE NOT EDUCATED ENOUGH TO KNOW ANY BETTER, ie pick up a girl and think she wouldn't go to the papers for a kiss and tell, happens time and time again
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on July 12, 2012, 12:21:00 AM
Er Cahill, Sturridge and Cole aren't they Eng team mates?
i.e non-Chelsea England team mates.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 12, 2012, 12:30:12 AM
terry not a racist but is an idiot, he plays with so many black players that if he was a true racist, this would have come out of the closet yrs ago!!! what annoys me is any p***k can make complain about a player but can get away with daylight murder in abusing players saying this is OK cause they are getting paid alot, its not alright, this excuse is a disgrace, just like posh spice take s it up the ass, not what any husband likes to hear, especially with children at the grounds, is used to get so back u could hear it on TV! if some body give the same abuse on the street the police would do f**k all about it, but cause hes a player in the papers its open season!! how a certain Mrs robinson got away with some disgraceful things said about gay people without been took up forbey multi complaints kinda shows the madness terry has to deal with, Robinson got away with it cause that's the way them people are mentality, when she should have been took up on what she said!! but a supposed mental break down (as if) and the whole thing was dropped, players are easy targets,AND ALOT OF THEM ARE NOT EDUCATED ENOUGH TO KNOW ANY BETTER, ie pick up a girl and think she wouldn't go to the papers for a kiss and tell, happens time and time again
What ever happened the good old full stop?
Quote from: Take Your Points on July 12, 2012, 08:38:00 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 12, 2012, 12:30:12 AM
terry not a racist but is an idiot, he plays with so many black players that if he was a true racist, this would have come out of the closet yrs ago!!! what annoys me is any p***k can make complain about a player but can get away with daylight murder in abusing players saying this is OK cause they are getting paid alot, its not alright, this excuse is a disgrace, just like posh spice take s it up the ass, not what any husband likes to hear, especially with children at the grounds, is used to get so back u could hear it on TV! if some body give the same abuse on the street the police would do f**k all about it, but cause hes a player in the papers its open season!! how a certain Mrs robinson got away with some disgraceful things said about gay people without been took up forbey multi complaints kinda shows the madness terry has to deal with, Robinson got away with it cause that's the way them people are mentality, when she should have been took up on what she said!! but a supposed mental break down (as if) and the whole thing was dropped, players are easy targets,AND ALOT OF THEM ARE NOT EDUCATED ENOUGH TO KNOW ANY BETTER, ie pick up a girl and think she wouldn't go to the papers for a kiss and tell, happens time and time again
Never mind the full stop (essentially the use of the exclamation mark is enough to end a sentence though one is usually enough). Please start the sentence with a capital letter, use the spell checker, use capital letters for proper nouns and there is no need to shout in the middle of a sentence. However, given your support for these soccer players and your view on the standard of their education, this post could just be ironic in its sentence structure, grammar and punctuation.
School's out for summer.
In my opinion.
The decision will come down to if the judge thinks Terry said 'a' or 'and'. The former and its NG, the latter and it may be G.
However can the judge call it guilty based on essentially a guess. Especially as AF's evidence to date has been ropey, and contradicted.
YES BECAUSE HE NEVER DID A THING LIKE THAT BEFORE AS ASK To get his breakfast in bed with a couple of eggs since the City arms hotel when he used to be pretending to be laid up with a sick voice doing his highness to make himself interesting to that old f**got Mrs Riordan that he thought he had a great leg of and she never left us a farthing all for masses for herself and her soul greatest miser ever was actually afraid to lay out 4d for her methylated spirit telling me all her ailments she had too much old chat in her about politics and earthquakes and the end of the world let us have a bit of fun first God help the world if all the women were her sort down on bathing-suits and lownecks of course nobody wanted her to wear I suppose she was pious because no man would look at her twice I hope I'll never be like her a wonder she didnt want us to cover our faces but she was a welleducated woman certainly and her gabby talk about Mr Riordan here and Mr Riordan there I suppose he was glad to get shut of her and her dog smelling my fur and always edging to get up under my petticoats especially then still I like that in him polite to old women like that and waiters and beggars too hes not proud out of nothing but not always if ever he got anything really serious the matter with him its much better for them go into a hospital where everything is clean but I suppose Id have to dring it into him for a month yes and then wed have a hospital nurse next thing on the carpet have him staying there till they throw him out or a nun maybe like the smutty photo he has shes as much a nun as Im not yes because theyre so weak and puling when theyre sick they want a woman to get well if his nose bleeds youd think it was O tragic and that dyinglooking one off the south circular when he sprained his foot at the choir party at the sugarloaf Mountain the day I wore that dress Miss Stack bringing him flowers the worst old ones she could find at the bottom of the basket anything at all to get into a mans bedroom with her old maids voice trying to imagine he was dying on account of her to never see thy face again though he looked more like a man with his beard a bit grown in the bed father was the same besides I hate bandaging and dosing when he cut his toe with the razor paring his corns afraid hed get blood poisoning but if it was a thing I was sick then wed see what attention only of course the woman hides it not to give all the trouble they do yes he came somewhere Im sure by his appetite anyway love its not or hed be off his feed thinking of her so either it was one of those night women if it was down there he was really and the hotel story he made up a pack of lies to hide it planning it Hynes kept me who did I meet ah yes I met do you remember Menton and who else who let me see that big babbyface I saw him and he not long married flirting with a young girl at Pooles Myriorama and turned my back on him when he slinked out looking quite conscious what harm but he had the impudence to make up to me one time well done to him mouth almighty and his boiled eyes of all the big stupoes I ever met and thats called a solicitor only for I hate having a long wrangle in bed or else if its not that its some little bitch or other he got in with somewhere or picked up on the sly if they only knew him as well as I do yes because the day before yesterday he was scribbling something a letter when I came into the front room for the matches to show him Dignams death in the paper as if something told me and he covered it up with the blottingpaper pretending to be thinking about business so very probably that was it to somebody who thinks she has a softy in him because all men get a bit like that at his age especially getting on to forty he is now so as to wheedle any money she can out of him no fool like an old fool and then the usual kissing my bottom was to hide it not that I care two straws who he does it with or knew before that way though Id like to find out so long as I dont have the two of them under my nose all the time like that slut that Mary we had in Ontario terrace padding out her false bottom to excite him bad enough to get the smell of those painted women off him once or twice I had a suspicion by getting him to come near me when I found the long hair on his coat without that one when I went into the kitchen pretending he was drinking water I woman is not enough for them it was all his fault of course ruining servants then proposing that she could eat at our table on Christmas if you please O no thank you not in my house stealing my potatoes and the oysters 2/6 per doz going out to see her aunt if you please common robbery so it was but I was sure he had something on with that one it takes me to find out a thing like that he said you have no proof it was her proof O yes her aunt was very fond of oysters but I told her what I thought of her suggesting me to go out to be alone with her I wouldnt lower myself to spy on them the garters I found in her room the Friday she was out that was enough for me a little bit too much I saw too that her face swelled up on her with temper when I gave her her weeks notice better do without them altogether do out the rooms myself quicker only for the damn cooking and throwing out the dirt I gave it to him anyhow either she or me leaves the house I couldnt even touch him if I thought he was with a dirty barefaced liar and sloven like that one denying it up to my face and singing about the place in the W C too because she knew she was too well off yes because he couldnt possibly do without it that long so he must do it somewhere and the last time he came on my bottom when was it the night Boylan gave my hand a great squeeze going along by the Tolka in my hand there steals another I just pressed the back of his like that with my thumb to squeeze back singing the young May Moon shes beaming love because he has an idea about him and me hes not such a fool he said Im dining out and going to the Gaiety though Im not going to give him the satisfaction in any case God knows hes change in a way not to be always and ever wearing the same old hat unless] paid some nicelooking boy to do it since I cant do it myself a young boy would like me Id confuse him a little alone with him if we were Id let him see my garters the new ones and make him turn red looking at him seduce him I know what boys feel with that down on their cheek doing that frigging drawing out the thing by the hour question and answer would you do this that and the other with the coalman yes with a bishop yes I would because I told him about some Dean or Bishop was sitting beside me in the jews Temples gardens when I was knitting that woollen thing a stranger to Dublin what place was it and so on about the monuments and he tired me out with statues encouraging him making him worse than he is who is in your mind now tell me who are you thinking of who is it tell me his name who tell me who the German Emperor is it yes imagine Im him think of him can you feel him trying to make a whore of me what he never will he ought to give it up now at this age of his life simply ruination for any woman and no satisfaction in it pretending to like it till ( he comes and then finish it off myself anyway and it makes your lips pale anyhow its done now once and for all with all the talk of the world about it people make its only the first time after that its just the ordinary do it and think no more about it why cant you kiss a man without going and marrying him first you sometimes love to wildly when you feel that way so nice all over you you cant help yourself I wish some man or other would take me sometime when hes there and kiss me in his arms theres nothing like a kiss long and hot down to your soul almost paralyses you then I hate that confession when I used to go to Father Corrigan he touched me father and what harm if he did where and I said on the canal bank like a fool but whereabouts on your person my child on the leg behind high up was it yes rather high up was it where you sit down yes O Lord couldnt he say bottom right out and have done with it what has that got to do with it and did you whatever way he put it I forget no father and I always think of the real father what did he want to know for when I already confessed it to God he had a nice fat hand the palm moist always I wouldnt mind feeling it neither would he Id say by the bullneck in his horsecollar I wonder did he know me in the box I could see his face he couldnt see mine of course hed never turn or let on still his eyes were red when his father died theyre lost for a woman of course must be terrible when a man cries let alone them Id like to be embraced by one in his vestments and the smell of incense off him like the pope besides theres no danger with a priest if youre married hes too careful about himself then give something to H H the pope for a penance I wonder was he satisfied with me one thing I didnt like his slapping me behind going away so familiarly in the hall though I laughed Im not a horse or an ass am I I suppose he was thinking of his father I wonder is he awake thinking of me or dreaming am I in it who gave him that flower he said he bought he smelt of some kind of drink not whisky or stout or perhaps the sweety kind of paste they stick their bills up with some liquor Id like to sip those richlooking green and yellow expensive drinks those stagedoor johnnies drink with the opera hats I tasted one with my finger dipped out of that American that had the squirrel talking stamps with father he had all he could do to keep himself from falling asleep after the last time we took the port and potted meat it had a fine salty taste yes because I felt lovely and tired myself and fell asleep as sound as a top the moment I popped straight into bed till that thunder woke me up as if the world was coming to an end God be merciful to us I thought the heavens were coming down about us to punish when I blessed myself and said a Hail Mary like those awful thunderbolts in Gibraltar and they come and tell you theres no God what could you do if it was running and rushing about nothing only make an act of contrition the candle I lit that evening in Whitefriars street chapel for the month of May see it brought its luck though hed scoff if he heard because he never goes to church mass or meeting he says your soul you have no soul inside only grey matter because he doesnt know what it is to have one yes when I lit the lamp yes because he must have come 3 or 4 times with that tremendous big red brute of a thing he has I thought the vein or whatever the dickens they call it was going to burst though his nose is not so big after I took off all my things with the blinds down after my hours dressing and perfuming and combing it like iron or some kind of a thick crowbar standing all the time he must have eaten oysters I think a few dozen he was in great singing voice ... things come into my head sometimes itd be great fun supposing he stayed with us why not theres the room upstairs empty and Millys bed in the back room he could do his writing and studies at the table in there for all the scribbling he does at it and if he wants to read in bed in the morning like me as hes making the breakfast for I he can make it for 2 Im sure Im not going to take in lodgers off the street for him if he takes a gesabo of a house like this Id love to have a long talk with an intelligent well-educated person Id have to get a nice pair of red slippers like those Turks with the fez used to sell or yellow and a nice semitransparent morning gown that I badly want or a peachblossom dressing jacket like the one long ago in Walpoles only 8/6 or 18/6 Ill just give him one more chance Ill get up early in the morning Im sick of Cohens old bed in any case I might go over to the markets to see all the vegetables and cabbages and tomatoes and carrots and all kinds of splendid fruits all coming in lovely and fresh who knows whod be the 1st man Id meet theyre out looking for it in the morning Mamy Dillon used to say they are and the night too that was her massgoing Id love a big juicy pear now to melt in your mouth like when I used to be in the longing way then Ill throw him up his eggs and tea in the moustachecup she gave him to make his mouth bigger I suppose hed like my nice cream too I know what Ill do Ill go about rather gay not too much singing a bit now and then mi fa pieti Masetto then Ill start dressing myself to go out presto non son pill forte Ill put on my best shift and drawers let him have a good eyeful out of that to make his micky stand for him Ill let him know if thats what he wanted that his wife is fucked yes and damn well fucked too up to my neck nearly not by him 5 or 6 times handrunning theres the mark of his spunk on the clean sheet I wouldnt bother to even iron it out that ought to satisfy him if you dont believe me feel my belly unless I made him stand there and put him into me Ive a mind to tell him every scrap and make him do it in front of me serve him right its all his own fault if I am an adulteress as the thing in the gallery said O much about it if thats all the harm ever we did in this vale of tears God knows its not much doesnt everybody only they hide it I suppose thats what a woman is supposed to be there for or He wouldnt have made us the way He did so attractive to men then if he wants to kiss my bottom Ill drag open my drawers and bulge it right out in his face as large as life he can stick his tongue 7 miles up my hole as hes there my brown part then Ill tell him I want #1 or perhaps 30/- Ill tell him I want to buy underclothes then if he gives me that well he wont be too bad I dont want to soak it all out of him like other women do I could often have written out a fine cheque for myself and write his name on it for a couple of pounds a few times he forgot to lock it up besides he wont spend it Ill let him do it off on me behind provided he doesnt smear all my good drawers O I suppose that cant be helped Ill do the indifferent I or 2 questions Ill know by the answers when hes like that he cant keep a thing back I know every turn in him Ill tighten my bottom well and let out a few smutty words smellrump or lick my shit or the first mad thing comes into my head then Ill suggest about yes O wait now sonny my turn is coming Ill be quite gay and friendly over it O but I was forgetting this bloody pest of a thing pfooh you wouldn't know which to laugh or cry were such a mixture of plum and apple no Ill have to wear the old things so much the better itll be more pointed hell never know whether he did it nor not there thats good enough for you any old thing at all then Ill wipe him off me just like a business his omission then Ill go out Ill have him eyeing up at the ceiling where is she gone now make him want me thats the only way a quarter after what an unearthly hour I suppose theyre just getting up in China now combing out their pigtails for the day well soon have the nuns ringing the angelus theyve nobody coming in to spoil their sleep except an odd priest or two for his night office the alarmclock next door at cockshout clattering the brains out of itself let me see if I can dose off 1 2 3 4 5 what kind of flowers are those they invented like the stars the wallpaper in Lombard street was much nicer the apron he gave me was like that something only I only wore it twice better lower this lamp and try again so as I can get up early Ill go to Lambes there beside Findlaters and get them to send us some flowers to put about the place in case he brings him home tomorrow today I mean no no Fridays an unlucky day first I want to do the place up someway the dust grows in it I think while Im asleep then we can have music and cigarettes I can accompany him first I must clean the keys of the piano with milk whatll I wear shall I wear a white rose or those fairy cakes in Liptons I love the smell of a rich big shop at 71/2d a lb or the other ones with the cherries in them and the pinky sugar lid a couple of lbs of course a nice plant for the middle of the table Id get that cheaper in wait wheres this I saw them not long ago I love flowers Id love to have the whole place swimming in roses God of heaven theres nothing like nature the wild mountains then the sea and the waves rushing then the beautiful country with fields of oats and wheat and all kinds of things and all the fine cattle going about that would do your heart good to see rivers and lakes and flowers all sorts of shapes and smells and colours springing up even out of the ditches primroses and violets nature it is as for them saying theres no God I wouldnt give a snap of my two fingers for all their learning why dont they go and create something I often asked him atheists or whatever they call themselves go and wash the cobbles off themselves first then they go howling for the priest and they dying and why why because theyre afraid of hell on account of their bad conscience ah yes I know them well who was the first person in the universe before there was anybody that made it all who ah that they dont know neither do I so there you are they might as well try to stop the sun from rising tomorrow the sun shines for you he said the day we were lying among the rhododendrons on Howth head in the grey tweed suit and his straw hat the day I got him to propose to me yes first I gave him the bit of seedcake out of my mouth and it was leapyear like now yes 16 years ago my God after that long kiss I near lost my breath yes he said was a flower of the mountain yes so we are flowers all a womans body yes that was one true thing he said in his life and the sun shines for you today yes that was why I liked him because I saw he understood or felt what a woman is and I knew I could always get round him and I gave him all the pleasure I could leading him on till he asked me to say yes and I wouldnt answer first only looked out over the sea and the sky I was thinking of so many things he didnt know of Mulvey and Mr Stanhope and Hester and father and old captain Groves and the sailors playing all birds fly and I say stoop and washing up dishes they called it on the pier and the sentry in front of the governors house with the thing round his white helmet poor devil half roasted and the Spanish girls laughing in their shawls and their tall combs and the auctions in the morning the Greeks and the jews and the Arabs and the devil knows who else from all the ends of Europe and Duke street and the fowl market all clucking outside Larby Sharans and the poor donkeys slipping half asleep and the vague fellows in the cloaks asleep in the shade on the steps and the big wheels of the carts of the bulls and the old castle thousands of years old yes and those handsome Moors all in white and turbans like kings asking you to sit down in their little bit of a shop and Ronda with the old windows of the posadas glancing eyes a lattice hid for her lover to kiss the iron and the wineshops half open at night and the castanets and the night we missed the boat at Algeciras the watchman going about serene with his lamp and O that awful deepdown torrent O and the sea the sea crimson sometimes like fire and the glorious sunsets and the figtrees in the Alameda gardens yes and all the queer little streets and pink and blue and yellow houses and the rosegardens and the jessamine and geraniums and cactuses and Gibraltar as a girl where I was a Flower of the mountain yes when I put the rose in my hair like the Andalusian girls used or shall I wear a red yes and how he kissed me under the Moorish wall and I thought well as well him as another and then I asked him with my eyes to ask again yes and then he asked me would I yes to say yes my mountain flower and first I put my arms around him yes and drew him down to me so he could feel my breasts all perfume yes and his heart was going like mad and yes I said yes I will Yes.
Wild Weasel meets Joyce fantastic
Jaysus Hardy, you're hurting my wee head
Quote from: heganboy on July 12, 2012, 12:56:34 PM
Jaysus Hardy, you're hurting my wee head
Good old Ulysses, the book everyone pretends to have read..
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Dinny
I saw that yesterday, would Terry have an legal recourse on the ad? It's a bit close to the bone, he hasn't been found guilty of anything.
Not guilty
Quote from: gerrykeegan on July 13, 2012, 10:43:16 AM
Dinny
I saw that yesterday, would Terry have an legal recourse on the ad? It's a bit close to the bone, he hasn't been found guilty of anything.
Possibly will have legal recourse now.
They'll not be a cow milked round the Kings Road or Kinghtsbridge for a week.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/jul/13/john-terry-cleared-football-reputation
Hardy, you have got way to much time on your hands.
Keep posting though, most of them all entertaining.
It only took me a few minutes. Stream of consciousness, you know.
Quote from: Hardy on July 13, 2012, 04:32:58 PM
It only took me a few minutes. Stream of consciousness, you know.
I look forward to another one after the Leinster final
Ha!
;D
Quote from: Take Your Points on July 13, 2012, 10:11:52 PM
If you thought Terry was not the sharpest knife in the box...............
John Terry racism trial: Chelsea captain only too pleased to follow orders in courtroom gaffe
By Telegraph Sport
2:40PM BST 12 Jul 2012
Terry, 31, is accused of racially abusing Anton Ferdinand during a Premier League match between Chelsea and QPR on October 23 last year. Terry denies the charge.
The moment of misunderstanding in the trial arose when Terry was asked to repeat the evidence that he had been sent off four times in his career, so the court could hear him.
"Can you say, please, four times?" asked his QC, George Carter-Stephenson.
"Please, please, please, please," Terry responded.
Huge laughter broke out around the courtroom.
Terry, for his part, looked bemused at the response.
That was posted on the last page! Keep up! :)
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on July 14, 2012, 12:48:23 AM
Quote from: Take Your Points on July 13, 2012, 10:11:52 PM
If you thought Terry was not the sharpest knife in the box...............
John Terry racism trial: Chelsea captain only too pleased to follow orders in courtroom gaffe
By Telegraph Sport
2:40PM BST 12 Jul 2012
Terry, 31, is accused of racially abusing Anton Ferdinand during a Premier League match between Chelsea and QPR on October 23 last year. Terry denies the charge.
The moment of misunderstanding in the trial arose when Terry was asked to repeat the evidence that he had been sent off four times in his career, so the court could hear him.
"Can you say, please, four times?" asked his QC, George Carter-Stephenson.
"Please, please, please, please," Terry responded.
Huge laughter broke out around the courtroom.
Terry, for his part, looked bemused at the response.
That was posted on the last page! Keep up! :)
It is worth posting twice or maybe even four times. ;D
In all seriousness someone at MUFC needs to cancel Rio's Twitter account. Doing himself no favours at all.
He has just called Ashley Cole a choc ice!
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on July 14, 2012, 03:24:39 PM
In all seriousness someone at MUFC needs to cancel Rio's Twitter account. Doing himself no favours at all.
He has just called Ashley Cole a choc ice!
Just saw that, thick as pig shite.
It's pretty clear Terry is a thug and a bully.
I don't believe him to be a raging racist or anything but I do believe he said those words as a racist slur towards Ferdinand.
I don't believe his claim that he was only saying back to him that he didn't call him a black cnut.
Rio in trouble again - definitely should be banned from Tweeting - :D
Rio Ferdinand has defended his response to a tweet which referred to Ashley Cole as a "choc ice", insisting it was not a racist term.
Instead, the Manchester United defender said the term was slang for "someone who is being fake".
Ferdinand laughingly reacted on Twitter after one person sent a tweet to him accusing Cole, who was a defence witness in the John Terry racism trial, of being a "choc ice". The term is commonly understood to mean "black on the outside, white on the inside".
The person wrote: "Looks like Ashley Cole's going to be their choc ice. Then again he's always been a sell out. Shame on him." Ferdinand replied: "I hear you fella! Choc ice is classic! hahahahahahha!!''
Users began discussing the comments and reacting to them and Ferdinand wrote: "And if I want to laugh at something someone tweets....I will! Hahahahaha! Now stop getting ya knickers in a twist!''
Ferdinand's initial comment has now been deleted from his Twitter account, but the 33-year-old did speak about the issue on Sunday morning. He tweeted: "What I said yesterday is not a racist term. Its a type of slang/term used by many for someone who is being fake. So there."
Ferguson will have Ferdinand's twitter account shut down very soon. What he tweeted during the trial was immature and close to the bone. He compounded this by his racial slur yesterday. Idiotic!
And... I see Frimpong has just tweeted an anti Semitic tweet! Geezus these boys have shit for brains.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on July 15, 2012, 04:06:10 PM
Ferguson will have Ferdinand's twitter account shut down very soon. What he tweeted during the trial was immature and close to the bone. He compounded this by his racial slur yesterday. Idiotic!
And... I see Frimpong has just tweeted an anti Semitic tweet! Geezus these boys have shit for brains.
That's and insult to shit! I actually reckon that Fergie may move Rio on soon enough, I wouldn't be surprised to see him return to the 'Appy 'Ammers with the other Twitter legend Big Sam :P
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on July 15, 2012, 04:09:41 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on July 15, 2012, 04:06:10 PM
Ferguson will have Ferdinand's twitter account shut down very soon. What he tweeted during the trial was immature and close to the bone. He compounded this by his racial slur yesterday. Idiotic!
And... I see Frimpong has just tweeted an anti Semitic tweet! Geezus these boys have shit for brains.
That's and insult to shit! I actually reckon that Fergie may move Rio on soon enough, I wouldn't be surprised to see him return to the 'Appy 'Ammers with the other Twitter legend Big Sam :P
Rio really thinks it's Sam that tweets though!
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on July 15, 2012, 04:22:53 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on July 15, 2012, 04:09:41 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on July 15, 2012, 04:06:10 PM
Ferguson will have Ferdinand's twitter account shut down very soon. What he tweeted during the trial was immature and close to the bone. He compounded this by his racial slur yesterday. Idiotic!
And... I see Frimpong has just tweeted an anti Semitic tweet! Geezus these boys have shit for brains.
That's and insult to shit! I actually reckon that Fergie may move Rio on soon enough, I wouldn't be surprised to see him return to the 'Appy 'Ammers with the other Twitter legend Big Sam :P
Rio really thinks it's Sam that tweets though!
It's not???????????
Frimpong has the IQ of a table leg. He's too thick to be anti-Semitic.
what if Joh Terry had used the term choc ice to his brother? would he call it a racist term then??
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 15, 2012, 05:20:24 PM
what if Joh Terry had used the term choc ice to his brother? would he call it a racist term then??
I presume Choc Ice is a slur like a black man calling another an uncle tom, i.e an arse lick or wanna be white man?
its gets confusing. JT (to his friends) said he repeated the phrase black cúnt as he thought someone called him it?
Has John been over here much,especially the last Saturday in August?
Quote from: johnneycool on July 16, 2012, 11:15:11 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 15, 2012, 05:20:24 PM
what if Joh Terry had used the term choc ice to his brother? would he call it a racist term then??
I presume Choc Ice is a slur like a black man calling another an uncle tom, i.e an arse lick or wanna be white man?
its gets confusing. JT (to his friends) said he repeated the phrase black cúnt as he thought someone called him it?
Has John been over here much,especially the last Saturday in August?
Its apparently something to do with being black on the outside and white on the inside. It still seems a racist term.
I see the like of Garth Crooks (tool) and a few others calling for the FA to punish Terry. It would be a joke if they did.
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 16, 2012, 11:35:46 AM
Quote from: johnneycool on July 16, 2012, 11:15:11 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 15, 2012, 05:20:24 PM
what if Joh Terry had used the term choc ice to his brother? would he call it a racist term then??
I presume Choc Ice is a slur like a black man calling another an uncle tom, i.e an arse lick or wanna be white man?
its gets confusing. JT (to his friends) said he repeated the phrase black cúnt as he thought someone called him it?
Has John been over here much,especially the last Saturday in August?
Its apparently something to do with being black on the outside and white on the inside. It still seems a racist term.
I see the like of Garth Crooks (tool) and a few others calling for the FA to punish Terry. It would be a joke if they did.
Well considering the Suarez goings on and the fact that JT doesn't deny saying it, I think he'll get the 8 game ban and an extended summer holiday.
Edit, Rio didn't tweet choc ice, he retweeted hahaaaahaaahaaaaghaaaaa to some mate who made the comment!
Tacit approval of a racist comment? Is that allowed?
Quote from: johnneycool on July 16, 2012, 11:41:58 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 16, 2012, 11:35:46 AM
Quote from: johnneycool on July 16, 2012, 11:15:11 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 15, 2012, 05:20:24 PM
what if Joh Terry had used the term choc ice to his brother? would he call it a racist term then??
I presume Choc Ice is a slur like a black man calling another an uncle tom, i.e an arse lick or wanna be white man?
its gets confusing. JT (to his friends) said he repeated the phrase black cúnt as he thought someone called him it?
Has John been over here much,especially the last Saturday in August?
Its apparently something to do with being black on the outside and white on the inside. It still seems a racist term.
I see the like of Garth Crooks (tool) and a few others calling for the FA to punish Terry. It would be a joke if they did.
Well considering the Suarez goings on and the fact that JT doesn't deny saying it, I think he'll get the 8 game ban and an extended summer holiday.
Edit, Rio didn't tweet choc ice, he retweeted hahaaaahaaahaaaaghaaaaa to some mate who made the comment!
Tacit approval of a racist comment? Is that allowed?
But what has Terry done wrong if it is taken as gospel that his version is correct? Surely you can say a word or phrase in the context he did?
There is no disputing the fact that, taking into account the context, and studying the evidence closely, Rio Ferdinand appears to be as thick as two short planks.
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 16, 2012, 01:45:37 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on July 16, 2012, 11:41:58 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 16, 2012, 11:35:46 AM
Quote from: johnneycool on July 16, 2012, 11:15:11 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 15, 2012, 05:20:24 PM
what if Joh Terry had used the term choc ice to his brother? would he call it a racist term then??
I presume Choc Ice is a slur like a black man calling another an uncle tom, i.e an arse lick or wanna be white man?
its gets confusing. JT (to his friends) said he repeated the phrase black cúnt as he thought someone called him it?
Has John been over here much,especially the last Saturday in August?
Its apparently something to do with being black on the outside and white on the inside. It still seems a racist term.
I see the like of Garth Crooks (tool) and a few others calling for the FA to punish Terry. It would be a joke if they did.
Well considering the Suarez goings on and the fact that JT doesn't deny saying it, I think he'll get the 8 game ban and an extended summer holiday.
Edit, Rio didn't tweet choc ice, he retweeted hahaaaahaaahaaaaghaaaaa to some mate who made the comment!
Tacit approval of a racist comment? Is that allowed?
But what has Terry done wrong if it is taken as gospel that his version is correct? Surely you can say a word or phrase in the context he did?
It's all getting a bit muddied now and with Crooks rabbiting on in the press the English FA will need to be seen to be doing something.
As the saying goes 'there's more brains in a bucket of shíte' than most premiership footballer.
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It was interesting watching the programme on racism in football tonight.
If society has a racist element to it, then it is likely that so will a portion of those attending a football game. Whether they choose to express it openly as a group in the form of chanting seems to be the issue. With the re-emergence of the BNP in politics I can imagine its not strange to see racism back on the terraces.
The other thing I notice is the lack of acknowledgment of the problems that exist in Scotland. There never seems to be much of an effort to do something about sectarianism.
Excellent article.
http://www.rivalsfootball.net/chelsea/?mode=one_article&s=2012-07-16-reasonable-doubt (http://www.rivalsfootball.net/chelsea/?mode=one_article&s=2012-07-16-reasonable-doubt)
Quote from: thejuice on July 16, 2012, 10:09:34 PM
It was interesting watching the programme on racism in football tonight.
If society has a racist element to it, then it is likely that so will a portion of those attending a football game. Whether they choose to express it openly as a group in the form of chanting seems to be the issue. With the re-emergence of the BNP in politics I can imagine its not strange to see racism back on the terraces.
The other thing I notice is the lack of acknowledgment of the problems that exist in Scotland. There never seems to be much of an effort to do something about sectarianism.
Two things of note in that program last night;
John Barnes rabbiting on about how he didn't get a chance and got sacked after 8 months in charge and if he'd been white, he'd have got longer. I presumed he was talking about his time at Celtic when Kenny Dalglish got him the job, he was absolutely rubbish during that period and during his tenure the famous headline was created 'supercaleygoballisticcelticareatrocious', nothing to do with the colour of his skin.
The lack of black managers is certainly another thing, as Paul Ince had a pretty meteoric rise through the managerial ranks when he got the Blackburn job which didn't go well, but I'd say most boardrooms are big fat white males sitting talking shite with plenty of Ron Noades type characters amongst them.
Police are investigating the "Choc Ice" tweet ::)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/jul/17/police-invetigate-ashley-cole-choc-ice
@RobHarris: BREAKING: FA charges Chelsea captain John Terry with racially abusing Anton Ferdinand
Quote from: laoislad on July 27, 2012, 05:52:15 PM
@RobHarris: BREAKING: FA charges Chelsea captain John Terry with racially abusing Anton Ferdinand
I seen that on sky sports news there now. He has until the 3rd August to respond. Maybe he should suck it up and take his medicine
10 game ban looming?
(gets popcorn and sits back)
Quote from: The Worker on July 27, 2012, 06:07:13 PM
10 game ban looming?
At least.
Wherec does this leave the England manager who took Terry to the Europeans and left Rio behind for so called footballing reasons ?.
And again where is the charge for Rio or Anton? Was Frimpong charged last week??
Maybe the FAs march for 'equality' should start there!
#Scapegoat.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on July 28, 2012, 08:11:35 AM
And again where is the charge for Rio or Anton? Was Frimpong charged last week??
Maybe the FAs march for 'equality' should start there!
#Scapegoat.
#Getoverit!
Just looking for consistency. Strange that an organisation have gone after the white guys, and ignored the black guys. Is this not racial discrimination?
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on July 28, 2012, 02:17:01 PM
Just looking for consistency. Strange that an organisation have gone after the white guys, and ignored the black guys. Is this not racial discrimination?
you should make a police complaint if you feel so strongly about it.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on July 28, 2012, 02:17:01 PM
Just looking for consistency. Strange that an organisation have gone after the white guys, and ignored the black guys. Is this not racial discrimination?
Good man Norf fight the good fight for the white men..
Nothing to do with Terry being a Chelsea player of course.
Btw Frimpong was charged with improper conduct wasn't he?
Maybe there is bias there being a Chelsea fan. However some of that is to find 'balance', due to some of the s**t that is write re this case and others. Would people write that s**t if JT was playing for their Club? Doubt it.
Frimpong may have been charged, I can't recall. However why not Anton who has admitted to foul and abusive language?
Why not Rio who has allegedly tweeted a racial slur?
I've no issue with JT being charged. He has admitted foul and abusive language, and if the FA prove the case, I'd have no issue with the 3 game ban that accompanies such a charge.
However, they need to be consistent, equal and fair. The current charges are not that.
Re reporting it to the police. Someone has reported Rio to the police already. I'd imagine they are ignoring it, or they are with the CPS.
Couldn't give a shite about this but in the interest of accuracy, Rio laughed at an allegedly racist tweet- he didn't tweet it.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on July 28, 2012, 02:49:55 PM
Maybe there is bias there being a Chelsea fan. However some of that is to find 'balance', due to some of the s**t that is write re this case and others. Would people write that s**t if JT was playing for their Club? Doubt it.
Frimpong may have been charged, I can't recall. However why not Anton who has admitted to foul and abusive language?
Why not Rio who has allegedly tweeted a racial slur?
I've no issue with JT being charged. He has admitted foul and abusive language, and if the FA prove the case, I'd have no issue with the 3 game ban that accompanies such a charge.
However, they need to be consistent, equal and fair. The current charges are not that.
Re reporting it to the police. Someone has reported Rio to the police already. I'd imagine they are ignoring it, or they are with the CPS.
I'm sure he would still be hated whatever Club he plays for ... not likeable kinda guy and comes across as a sc**bag who would probably be locked up were it not for football!
Rio tweeted in a retort to Ashley Cole being called a choc ice,'I hear you fella! Choc ice is classic. Hahahahahahhha!!'
Choc ice is a racial slur.
Substitute the words Terry is aledged to have said, 'black c**t' into that sentence and tell me the difference?
Both are racial. Both are derogatory. Both should be treated equally.
And the FA agree with my assesment re Rio.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on July 30, 2012, 04:35:34 PM
And the FA agree with my assesment re Rio.
Yep:
QuoteThe Football Association has today charged Rio Ferdinand with improper conduct in relation to comments posted on Twitter.
A statement on the FA's official website confirmed: "The allegation is that the player acted in a way which was improper and/or brought the game into disrepute by making comments which included a reference to ethnic origin and/or colour and/or race."
Proper order too. Silly twat.
Quote from: EC Unique on July 30, 2012, 04:37:46 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on July 30, 2012, 04:35:34 PM
And the FA agree with my assesment re Rio.
Yep:
QuoteThe Football Association has today charged Rio Ferdinand with improper conduct in relation to comments posted on Twitter.
A statement on the FA's official website confirmed: "The allegation is that the player acted in a way which was improper and/or brought the game into disrepute by making comments which included a reference to ethnic origin and/or colour and/or race."
Proper order too. Silly t**t.
The one thing that really surprises me is- and you can argue rightly or wrongly re Rio- is that Fergie hasn't closed down his Twitter account. SAF hates that sort of pointless distraction.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on July 30, 2012, 04:48:32 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on July 30, 2012, 04:37:46 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on July 30, 2012, 04:35:34 PM
And the FA agree with my assesment re Rio.
Yep:
QuoteThe Football Association has today charged Rio Ferdinand with improper conduct in relation to comments posted on Twitter.
A statement on the FA's official website confirmed: "The allegation is that the player acted in a way which was improper and/or brought the game into disrepute by making comments which included a reference to ethnic origin and/or colour and/or race."
Proper order too. Silly t**t.
The one thing that really surprises me is- and you can argue rightly or wrongly re Rio- is that Fergie hasn't closed down his Twitter account. SAF hates that sort of pointless distraction.
I would not be suprised if this was the straw that breaks the camels back with regards to fergie. I expect a ban on UTD players using twitter. I don't think rio will get a ban. I would expect a warning with a fine.
Quote from: EC Unique on July 30, 2012, 06:30:35 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on July 30, 2012, 04:48:32 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on July 30, 2012, 04:37:46 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on July 30, 2012, 04:35:34 PM
And the FA agree with my assesment re Rio.
Yep:
QuoteThe Football Association has today charged Rio Ferdinand with improper conduct in relation to comments posted on Twitter.
A statement on the FA's official website confirmed: "The allegation is that the player acted in a way which was improper and/or brought the game into disrepute by making comments which included a reference to ethnic origin and/or colour and/or race."
Proper order too. Silly t**t.
The one thing that really surprises me is- and you can argue rightly or wrongly re Rio- is that Fergie hasn't closed down his Twitter account. SAF hates that sort of pointless distraction.
I would not be suprised if this was the straw that breaks the camels back with regards to fergie. I expect a ban on UTD players using twitter. I don't think rio will get a ban. I would expect a warning with a fine.
What is Ferguson going to say to Rio Ferdinand? he's a lad in his 30s that should stop acting like a teenager.
He is also a professional footballer whom are not renowned for their common sense.
Fergie does not need to say anything to rio. He could just put a ban on any UTD player using twitter. I hope he does.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on July 28, 2012, 07:04:02 PM
Rio tweeted in a retort to Ashley Cole being called a choc ice,'I hear you fella! Choc ice is classic. Hahahahahahhha!!'
Choc ice is a racial slur.
Substitute the words Terry is aledged to have said, 'black c**t' into that sentence and tell me the difference?
Both are racial. Both are derogatory. Both should be treated equally.
Whilst Rio is as thick as a bag of hammers I feel strongly he was taking the piss, I am no United apologist but I can't beliee he would mean to demean his own race, just my opinion.
Quote from: stew on July 31, 2012, 02:00:22 AM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on July 28, 2012, 07:04:02 PM
Rio tweeted in a retort to Ashley Cole being called a choc ice,'I hear you fella! Choc ice is classic. Hahahahahahhha!!'
Choc ice is a racial slur.
Substitute the words Terry is aledged to have said, 'black c**t' into that sentence and tell me the difference?
Both are racial. Both are derogatory. Both should be treated equally.
Whilst Rio is as thick as a bag of hammers I feel strongly he was taking the piss, I am no United apologist but I can't beliee he would mean to demean his own race, just my opinion.
Rio wasn't trying to demean his own race. In fact that's what he thought Cole was doing by defending Terry. A turncoat type of thing.
Cole has seemingly said it didnt bother him, which I thought would have ended it. But certainly its no defence for Rio to say he wasn't the one who said it first. He repeated it and that's all that matters. Its clearly a form of racisim, but is it lower than the scale because it doesn't involve foul language?
Spot the difference
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/jul/27/john-terry-fa-abusive-language (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/jul/27/john-terry-fa-abusive-language)
John Terry charged by FA with using abusive language
• Terry charged over incident with QPR's Anton Ferdinand
• Chelsea captain denies charge and asks for hearing
An FA statement said "It is alleged that Terry used abusive and/or insulting words and/or behaviour towards Queens Park Rangers' Anton Ferdinand, contrary to FA rules. It is further alleged that this included a reference to the ethnic origin and/or colour and/or race of Anton Ferdinand.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/nov/16/luis-suarez-fa-charge-racism-evra (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/nov/16/luis-suarez-fa-charge-racism-evra)
The FA's statement, published on its official website on Wednesday evening, said: "It is alleged that Suárez used abusive and/or insulting words and/or behaviour towards Manchester United's Patrice Evra contrary to FA rules. It is further alleged that this included a reference to the ethnic origin and/or colour and/or race of Patrice Evra."
Liverpool's Luis Suárez charged with racism by the FA
• Charge relates to game with Manchester United
• Patrice Evra alleged he was insulted 'at least 10 times'
Quote from: stew on July 31, 2012, 02:00:22 AM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on July 28, 2012, 07:04:02 PM
Rio tweeted in a retort to Ashley Cole being called a choc ice,'I hear you fella! Choc ice is classic. Hahahahahahhha!!'
Choc ice is a racial slur.
Substitute the words Terry is aledged to have said, 'black c**t' into that sentence and tell me the difference?
Both are racial. Both are derogatory. Both should be treated equally.
Whilst Rio is as thick as a bag of hammers I feel strongly he was taking the piss, I am no United apologist but I can't beliee he would mean to demean his own race, just my opinion.
I kind of agree with you, and I also believe John Terry's not a racist, but here we are!
I am bored with the whole JT, handshake, Anton, Rio etc, but interesting sub section of the FA's rules.
The FA Rules and Regulations of The Association
Season 2012-2013
http://bit.ly/PnI5hc (http://bit.ly/PnI5hc) (very large pdf document)
Page 418
6.8
In any proceedings before a Regulatory Commission, the Regulatory
Commission shall not be obliged to follow the strict rules of evidence, may admit such
evidence as it thinks fit and accord such evidence such weight as it thinks appropriate in all the
circumstances. Where the subject matter of a complaint or matter before the Regulatory
Commission has been the subject of previous civil or criminal proceedings, the result of
such proceedings and the facts and matters upon which such result is based shall be presumed to be correct and the facts presumed to be true unless it is shown, by clear and convincing evidence, that this is not the case.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on September 18, 2012, 05:45:12 PM
I am bored with the whole JT, handshake, Anton, Rio etc
Yeah me too.
The sooner the FA do the right thing and suspend Terry for 8 or 9 games the better.
Quote from: stew on September 18, 2012, 06:36:22 PM
Quote from: screenexile on July 28, 2012, 04:19:35 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on July 28, 2012, 02:49:55 PM
Maybe there is bias there being a Chelsea fan. However some of that is to find 'balance', due to some of the s**t that is write re this case and others. Would people write that s**t if JT was playing for their Club? Doubt it.
Frimpong may have been charged, I can't recall. However why not Anton who has admitted to foul and abusive language?
Why not Rio who has allegedly tweeted a racial slur?
I've no issue with JT being charged. He has admitted foul and abusive language, and if the FA prove the case, I'd have no issue with the 3 game ban that accompanies such a charge.
However, they need to be consistent, equal and fair. The current charges are not that.
Re reporting it to the police. Someone has reported Rio to the police already. I'd imagine they are ignoring it, or they are with the CPS.
I'm sure he would still be hated whatever Club he plays for ... not likeable kinda guy and comes across as a sc**bag who would probably be locked up were it not for football!
100% correct exile, a hateful cnut if ever there was one.
Harsh on exile a wee bit there.
Retired from international football, position is untenable.
i.e. he knows he's busted.
John Terry was one hell of a CB. The last of that English type who'd put their head where they shouldn't as Diaby found out.
But an extremely unlikeable fellow unless you were a Chelsea fan. In that case he was a hero.
(http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo101/petetruman/tr**p.jpg)
Quote from: ONeill on September 23, 2012, 11:38:06 PM
i.e. he knows he's busted.
John Terry was one hell of a CB. The last of that English type who'd put their head where they shouldn't as Diaby found out.
But an extremely unlikeable fellow unless you were a Chelsea fan. In that case he was a hero.
With a head like that, he'd nothing to lose.
Have to laugh.
He gets a 4 game ban cause he only said it once, Suarez gets 8 cause he repeated it more than once. You can be racist but don't say it again or you are a worser racist. But have a bigger fine for the hell of it.
Quote from: Bingo on September 27, 2012, 03:45:19 PM
Have to laugh.
He gets a 4 game ban cause he only said it once, Suarez gets 8 cause he repeated it more than once. You can be racist but don't say it again or you are a worser racist. But have a bigger fine for the hell of it.
We it kinda does make sense. Caught speeding once and get 3 points. Caught 8 times and lose your licence.
However I believe if someone IS guilty of this offence it should be a longer ban than 8 games regardless of who they are.
Terry will probably take the kangaroo court to CAS now.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on September 27, 2012, 03:56:33 PM
Terry will probably take the kangaroo court to CAS now.
Would he do that? Aren't UEFA/FIFA very sensitive about these things? Chelsea, if not the league itself, would be put under immense pressure to ensure that didn't happen.
Quote from: Mentalman on September 27, 2012, 03:59:27 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on September 27, 2012, 03:56:33 PM
Terry will probably take the kangaroo court to CAS now.
Would he do that? Aren't UEFA/FIFA very sensitive about these things? Chelsea, if not the league itself, would be put under immense pressure to ensure that didn't happen.
I know what your saying but if Terry believes he is innocent he has every right to take it to wherever he wants.
Re the Suarez comparison. A better comparison is where Frimpong, and Rio Ferdinand found guilty of simiar offences and neither banned. Es et because e is white?
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on September 27, 2012, 04:00:52 PM
I know what your saying but if Terry believes he is innocent he has every right to take it to wherever he wants.
He has the right, no doubt, but the level of pressure applied would ensure it wouldn't happen. His first course of action would be to exhaust the FA appeal system anyway, before CAS would become available to him, I believe.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on September 27, 2012, 03:56:33 PM
Terry will probably take the kangaroo court to CAS now.
He's mad if he does. While in the light of the court case I think Terry is right to feel hard done by, that doesn't change the fact that the burden of proof is much lighter with the football authorities. The more you fight charges of racism, the more those in charge will have to double-down so as not to be accused of tolerating racism. He should swallow his pride and move on - something I said about Suarez (http://www.comeonthedeise.ie/2011/12/22/fa-noire/)at the time.
Quote from: Mentalman on September 27, 2012, 04:03:12 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on September 27, 2012, 04:00:52 PM
I know what your saying but if Terry believes he is innocent he has every right to take it to wherever he wants.
He has the right, no doubt, but the level of pressure applied would ensure it wouldn't happen. His first course of action would be to exhaust the FA appeal system anyway, before CAS would become available to him, I believe.
The appeals process is very complex when I read about it over the weekend. Think it'll end up with CAS eventually.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on September 27, 2012, 03:56:33 PM
Quote from: Bingo on September 27, 2012, 03:45:19 PM
Have to laugh.
He gets a 4 game ban cause he only said it once, Suarez gets 8 cause he repeated it more than once. You can be racist but don't say it again or you are a worser racist. But have a bigger fine for the hell of it.
We it kinda does make sense. Caught speeding once and get 3 points. Caught 8 times and lose your licence.
However I believe if someone IS guilty of this offence it should be a longer ban than 8 games regardless of who they are.
Terry will probably take the kangaroo court to CAS now.
This isn't speeding or an offence that be measured ie You are are x times over the drink drive limit, you are x times over the speed limit, you are X times over the racist limit. You use a racist term or you don't, you are guilty of been a racist or you aren't.
As you say, if someone IS found guilty they get the ban.
Its like he paid more to get a lesser ban ;)
I'm sure you will view the report and be amzed at some of the stuff they use at evidence. The FA love a kangaroo and its not the first they have used for the same offence. Not mentioning names like ;)
@Joey7Barton: 12 games!!! By the FA's perverse reckoning, I'd of got less of a ban for racially abusing the Man City players than tickling them as I did.
;D
Quote from: Bingo on September 27, 2012, 03:45:19 PM
Have to laugh.
He gets a 4 game ban cause he only said it once, Suarez gets 8 cause he repeated it more than once. You can be racist but don't say it again or you are a worser racist. But have a bigger fine for the hell of it.
And what Suarez said wasn't even racist!
Quote from: laoislad on September 27, 2012, 05:09:35 PM
Quote from: Bingo on September 27, 2012, 03:45:19 PM
Have to laugh.
He gets a 4 game ban cause he only said it once, Suarez gets 8 cause he repeated it more than once. You can be racist but don't say it again or you are a worser racist. But have a bigger fine for the hell of it.
And what Suarez said wasn't even racist!
Except it was. At least it's progress though, admitting he did say something.....
Not a surprise, given that this "court" has a 99.7% conviction rate. Pretty hefty fine though, wasn't Suarez fined £40k??
Emmanuel Eboue letting rip on twitter:
John Terry found guilty & fined 220k. I don't feel sorry 4 him @ all. He has always been a bully & fucks team mates wife . I'll shit on him
No wonder terry wanted 2 go 2 the court. In d court its all about how good & expensive ur lawyer is . We rich ppl know that.
The most painfull side of this story was that Roy dropped Rio for terry . Now that FA find him guilty, Roy shud apologies
Even in USA , if u kill someone and can get a million dollar lawyer , u can escape jail. That's why JT went 2 court. Ihe went 2 buy d law
JT was more offensive than Suarez . And just like @Lord_Sugar says, he is a Thug .
I respect @rioferdy5 and @anton_ferdinand . It takes a lot of Gut 2 stand up against JT . Unlike Ashley cole . A wanna be ! A Sell Out
I don't answer to anybody but only GOD
To be honest, he is probably not a Racist, but he shud be man enough to own up and say sorry for the slip in toungue rather than dragging it
Worst of all, to all those chelsea fans and JT worshipers sending death threat and bullet to @anton_ferdinand . I want 2 say Shame on U
Just bcuz @rioferdy5 is out of Peckham, JT thinks he can get away wiv cursin d ferdinands.
There are so many two faced players and pundit in england . Its so easy for them to condemn Suarez , but not John Terry
Anyway, I am happy drogba and mikel declined to stand in the stupid witness box . Ashley cole was always a traitor . He never relates
Let's not forget the FA is also a biased and money grabbing organization. I don't like them that much but we can't do without them
I think I am going to go and relax on the beach and pray to God , but I needed to get all that out of my system. I fear No one but God
Top class rant! Laughed my ass off at that.
But Emmanuel, what do you really think?
Quote from: AQMP on September 27, 2012, 05:29:47 PM
Not a surprise, given that this "court" has a 99.7% conviction rate. Pretty hefty fine though, wasn't Suarez fined £40k??
I imagine the fine is proportioned to a player's wages, at the time Suarez was on substantially less than he is now.
Probably best to leave judgment until the full report is published, however at this point it is baffling how the sentence has been halved in a matter of months for what looks like the same offence.
Don't follow twitter and not sure if it is a real account but from reading, my favourite lines from Eboue would be 'we rich ppl know that' and 'I am going to go relax on the beach'. Twitter seems to give some people a real heightened sense of purpose.
Still no reasoning why Rio and Frimpong didn't get a ban!
Quote from: deiseach on September 27, 2012, 06:16:23 PM
But Emmanuel, what do you really think?
Isnt it a spoof account ?
Probably!
Quote from: Lecale2 on September 27, 2012, 09:27:05 PM
Probably!
I am sure i saw some journalists a few months ago flagging it up as a spoof.
Quote from: Minder on September 27, 2012, 09:28:10 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on September 27, 2012, 09:27:05 PM
Probably!
I am sure i saw some journalists a few months ago flagging it up as a spoof.
If it is @TheRealEboue then it is a fake.
Tis a parody.
"To be honest, he is probably not a Racist, but he shud be man enough to own up and say sorry for the slip in toungue rather than dragging it"
Real or fake that's probably true enough there.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on September 27, 2012, 04:00:52 PM
Quote from: Mentalman on September 27, 2012, 03:59:27 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on September 27, 2012, 03:56:33 PM
Terry will probably take the kangaroo court to CAS now.
Would he do that? Aren't UEFA/FIFA very sensitive about these things? Chelsea, if not the league itself, would be put under immense pressure to ensure that didn't happen.
I know what your saying but if Terry believes he is innocent he has every right to take it to wherever he wants.
Re the Suarez comparison. A better comparison is where Frimpong, and Rio Ferdinand found guilty of simiar offences and neither banned. Es et because e is white?
The FA are a joke, how can they make decisions based on probability or likelihood? I hope Terry appeals this decision and I agree its a disgrace that Ferdinand and Frimpong didn't get banned or fined anywhere near what Terry did.
Wasn't there a couple of previous incidents where Terry is alleged to have made racist comments?
Quote from: Premier Emperor on September 28, 2012, 10:08:55 AM
Wasn't there a couple of previous incidents where Terry is alleged to have made racist comments?
One with Ledley King, which was glossed over at the time, but led to all the black Spurs players withdrawing from the next English squad as far as I recall.
Quote from: Mentalman on September 28, 2012, 10:17:54 AM
Quote from: Premier Emperor on September 28, 2012, 10:08:55 AM
Wasn't there a couple of previous incidents where Terry is alleged to have made racist comments?
One with Ledley King, which was glossed over at the time, but led to all the black Spurs players withdrawing from the next English squad as far as I recall.
I was thinking that.
Being English and then the captain helps get these things glossed over.
I remember Alan Shearer kicked someone in the face and the English FA turned a blind eye as well.
From a big redman in Liverpool
Interesting that Piara Powar of the Football Against Racism in Europe campaign and formerly of the Kick It Out campaign didn't have much to say about the Terry / Ferdinand situation, yet you could never shut him up about about the Suarez / Evra affair. Oh right, he's a Chelsea fan you say? Seems that at the very top of anti-racism organisations, the tribal loyalty of the football club trumps any any common decency
Whatever you think with John Terry, it's hard to sustain the idea that this has been brushed under the carpet.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on September 27, 2012, 09:22:12 PM
Still no reasoning why Rio and Frimpong didn't get a ban!
For what?
Terry should be thankful he got away with 4 games and 2 weeks wages. The Ledley King one that was ignored was a disgrace even if King himself didn't take offense.
I don't think you can compare Terry's to Ferdinand's case. I think people that constantly bring this up are idiots; just stay indoors, get the fcuk off the internet and never offer opinions on anything ever again.
On another note, Joey Barton has a f**king point..........
Quote from: thebigfella on September 28, 2012, 11:00:31 AM
I don't think you can compare Terry's to Ferdinand's case. I think people that constantly bring this up are idiots; just stay indoors, get the fcuk off the internet and never offer opinions on anything ever again.
On another note, Joey Barton has a f**king point..........
I suppose you can't compare the two as Rio Ferdinand actually came out with a racial comment against another player yet Terry is only alleged to have came out with a racial comment against another player.
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 28, 2012, 11:04:59 AM
I suppose you can't compare the two as Rio Ferdinand actually came out with a racial comment against another player yet Terry is only alleged to have came out with a racial comment against another player.
Hold on, did Rio make the remark, or comment on someone else making the remark?
I do agree it was a terrible thing to say BTW, it is one of the worst insults a black person can throw at another, choc-ice/coconut/uncle Tom.
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 28, 2012, 09:56:38 AM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on September 27, 2012, 04:00:52 PM
Quote from: Mentalman on September 27, 2012, 03:59:27 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on September 27, 2012, 03:56:33 PM
Terry will probably take the kangaroo court to CAS now.
Would he do that? Aren't UEFA/FIFA very sensitive about these things? Chelsea, if not the league itself, would be put under immense pressure to ensure that didn't happen.
I know what your saying but if Terry believes he is innocent he has every right to take it to wherever he wants.
Re the Suarez comparison. A better comparison is where Frimpong, and Rio Ferdinand found guilty of simiar offences and neither banned. Es et because e is white?
The FA are a joke, how can they make decisions based on probability or likelihood? I hope Terry appeals this decision and I agree its a disgrace that Ferdinand and Frimpong didn't get banned or fined anywhere near what Terry did.
Pretty much the same as any other civil case as opposed to criminal case in the world of English law.
Quote from: Mentalman on September 28, 2012, 10:17:54 AM
Quote from: Premier Emperor on September 28, 2012, 10:08:55 AM
Wasn't there a couple of previous incidents where Terry is alleged to have made racist comments?
One with Ledley King, which was glossed over at the time, but led to all the black Spurs players withdrawing from the next English squad as far as I recall.
Yes, after this incident Terry was accused (by some Spurs supporters) of having referred to King as "a lippy black monkey" and it was widely circulated on the internet that he had been sent off for this. Now I don't know if this is the case or not but the fact is that after the match neither King, Chimbonda nor Zokora who were the players involved in the incident made a complaint. Spurs didn't make any complaint and said there was nothing to investigate. The referee did not report any racist comment in his report and confirmed that Terry was sent off for pushing King in the back thus earning a second yellow card. Also it is true that King, Lennon and Jenas withdrew from the England squad for the next game, but Defoe was happy to stay in the squad.
At the time I remember it being said that King and Terry were friendly or knew each other from way back and King would have taken it as a joke but some of his Spurs teammates, especially the non-English ones, were outraged.
John Terry statement:
To be, or not to be: that is the question:
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles,
And by opposing end them? To die: to sleep;
No more; and by a sleep to say we end
The heart-ache and the thousand natural shocks
That flesh is heir to, 'tis a consummation
Devoutly to be wish'd. To die, to sleep;
To sleep: perchance to dream: ay, there's the rub;
For in that sleep of death what dreams may come
When we have shuffled off this mortal coil,
Must give us pause: there's the respect
That makes calamity of so long life;
Chelsea Til I die
No-one would ever say that John Terry's fatal flaw was procrastination.
Did i see on another forum that both cases have cost Terry 800k in legal fees to date alone. Plus the fine thats 1m.
How will he the feed the kids?
Edit: Meant to say, that 800k not seem very high, I know a barrister loves to stick a charge on but that seems crazy.
Quote from: Bingo on September 28, 2012, 02:30:34 PM
Did i see on another forum that both cases have cost Terry 800k in legal fees to date alone. Plus the fine thats 1m.
How will he the feed the kids?
Edit: Meant to say, that 800k not seem very high, I know a barrister loves to stick a charge on but that seems crazy.
When asked about this, John Terry said "Who steals my purse steals trash; 'tis something, nothing. 'Twas mine, 'tis his, and has been slave to thousands. But he that filches from me my good name robs me of that which not enriches him, and makes me poor indeed."
Quote from: deiseach on September 28, 2012, 10:50:34 AM
Whatever you think with John Terry, it's hard to sustain the idea that this has been brushed under the carpet.
Really, he got off lightly in my opinion, as the former Captain of his country he has alienated plenty of players to the point that they refused to either shake his hand or even join the squad, he has charged people to take them on personal tours of Wembley and he has embarrassed the FA on numerous occasions.
The above aside, if you look at what he said compared to what Suarez said, Terry's ban should have been far heavier than Suarez's ban, for it to be half of that tells me that the FA fawn over this fcuker when they should drop the hammer on him, he is a bona fide sc**bag bully who is the epitome of a narcissist top flight footballer, he thinks he is bullet proof and the FA certainly help him hold that view.
At what point does someone tell him to fcuk off and hold him accountable for the way he handles his business? Roy Hodgson certainly didnt and has alienated Ferdinand, who by the way, is the better player of the two.
I don't know how a black lad in either the Chelsea or England set up can have anything to do with a tr**p like Terry!
Quote from: deiseach on September 28, 2012, 02:36:04 PM
Quote from: Bingo on September 28, 2012, 02:30:34 PM
Did i see on another forum that both cases have cost Terry 800k in legal fees to date alone. Plus the fine thats 1m.
How will he the feed the kids?
Edit: Meant to say, that 800k not seem very high, I know a barrister loves to stick a charge on but that seems crazy.
When asked about this, John Terry said "Who steals my purse steals trash; 'tis something, nothing. 'Twas mine, 'tis his, and has been slave to thousands. But he that filches from me my good name robs me of that which not enriches him, and makes me poor indeed."
Deep shit JT.
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 28, 2012, 11:04:59 AM
Quote from: thebigfella on September 28, 2012, 11:00:31 AM
I don't think you can compare Terry's to Ferdinand's case. I think people that constantly bring this up are idiots; just stay indoors, get the fcuk off the internet and never offer opinions on anything ever again.
On another note, Joey Barton has a f**king point..........
I suppose you can't compare the two as Rio Ferdinand actually came out with a racial comment against another player yet Terry is only alleged to have came out with a racial comment against another player.
Nrico, stay of the Internet. You clearly do not understand the difference.
The point where-by people claim the FA are lenient on Terry is again not totally accurate.
Firstly. Any player found guilty of a racial offense should get longer than 4 games. Longer than 8 games even.
However the FA have hardly pandered to Terry as appears to be suggested.
When Terry was charged with assault (A case that should never have been allowed near court), he was banned from England duty. Was Gerard banned pending his trial?
Terry has also been stripped of the captaincy twice by the FA. I can understand the thought process the second time, but the first time it happened it was essentially because he was rumored to have had an affair.
Finally- The FA decided to ignore their own rules when they charged Terry with racist language. Determined to get him no matter what.
If this is an organization pandering to someone, I'd hate to see them when they are out to get them.
Quote from: thebigfella on September 29, 2012, 01:52:52 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 28, 2012, 11:04:59 AM
Quote from: thebigfella on September 28, 2012, 11:00:31 AM
I don't think you can compare Terry's to Ferdinand's case. I think people that constantly bring this up are idiots; just stay indoors, get the fcuk off the internet and never offer opinions on anything ever again.
On another note, Joey Barton has a f**king point..........
I suppose you can't compare the two as Rio Ferdinand actually came out with a racial comment against another player yet Terry is only alleged to have came out with a racial comment against another player.
Nrico, stay of the Internet. You clearly do not understand the difference.
What Nrico says is 100%. Terry allegedly said something. Ferdinand did say something. No one can argue with that!
Re the previous quote. Are you going to articulate how Ferdinand and Terry's supposed accusations differ?
To be fair to John Terry, he knows how to articulate his feelings. On his ability to concentrate on today's game, he said
Is this a dagger which I see before me,
The handle toward my hand? Come, let me clutch thee.
I have thee not, and yet I see thee still.
Art thou not, fatal vision, sensible
To feeling as to sight? or art thou but
A dagger of the mind, a false creation,
Proceeding from the heat-oppressed brain?
I see thee yet, in form as palpable
As this which now I draw.
I'll play if selected.
Quote from: deiseach on September 28, 2012, 02:36:04 PM
Quote from: Bingo on September 28, 2012, 02:30:34 PM
Did i see on another forum that both cases have cost Terry 800k in legal fees to date alone. Plus the fine thats 1m.
How will he the feed the kids?
Edit: Meant to say, that 800k not seem very high, I know a barrister loves to stick a charge on but that seems crazy.
When asked about this, John Terry said "Who steals my purse steals trash; 'tis something, nothing. 'Twas mine, 'tis his, and has been slave to thousands. But he that filches from me my good name robs me of that which not enriches him, and makes me poor indeed."
Furthermore he opined about the whole impact this whole event had on his life "Mine honor is my life; both grow in one; Take honor from me, and my life is done", he seems to be shaking with the pressure of it all.
http://www.thefa.com/News/governance/2012/oct/~/media/22A83175745E44468105B57232F085B7.ashx
Has anyone read the above report? It's meticulous.
Terry and Chelsea come out of this in an extremely poor light.
Amazing page this. Two lots of Shakespeare and someone saying "what Nrico says is 100% correct". Unbelievable stuff.
QuoteHas anyone read the above report? It's meticulous.
Terry and Chelsea come out of this in an extremely poor light.
Are you really surprised? Pig, grunt.
Meticulous?
It states that Ferdinand is married. He's not.
There are a lot of glaring mistakes in it, and a lot of ignoring their own rules.
http://sulia.com/channel/chelsea-fc/f/54c8f580-99c9-40ac-98dc-3f36bdd4620a/?source=twitter
Ashley Cole and John Terry the two biggest tramps in football.
I hope the FA ban Cole for playing for England, does he really think he can say what he wants?
Quote from: thebigfella on September 29, 2012, 01:52:52 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 28, 2012, 11:04:59 AM
Quote from: thebigfella on September 28, 2012, 11:00:31 AM
I don't think you can compare Terry's to Ferdinand's case. I think people that constantly bring this up are idiots; just stay indoors, get the fcuk off the internet and never offer opinions on anything ever again.
On another note, Joey Barton has a f**king point..........
I suppose you can't compare the two as Rio Ferdinand actually came out with a racial comment against another player yet Terry is only alleged to have came out with a racial comment against another player.
Nrico, stay of the Internet. You clearly do not understand the difference.
I think I highlighted the difference above - am I wrong? No.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on October 08, 2012, 12:17:58 AM
Meticulous?
It states that Ferdinand is married. He's not.
There are a lot of glaring mistakes in it, and a lot of ignoring their own rules.
I read that nonsense yesterday. I think the author called the wife/girlfriend thing a "fatal" error. Talk about grasping at straws.
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 08, 2012, 09:41:35 AM
Quote from: thebigfella on September 29, 2012, 01:52:52 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 28, 2012, 11:04:59 AM
Quote from: thebigfella on September 28, 2012, 11:00:31 AM
I don't think you can compare Terry's to Ferdinand's case. I think people that constantly bring this up are idiots; just stay indoors, get the fcuk off the internet and never offer opinions on anything ever again.
On another note, Joey Barton has a f**king point..........
I suppose you can't compare the two as Rio Ferdinand actually came out with a racial comment against another player yet Terry is only alleged to have came out with a racial comment against another player.
Nrico, stay of the Internet. You clearly do not understand the difference.
I think I highlighted the difference above - am I wrong? No.
yes
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on October 08, 2012, 12:17:58 AM
Meticulous?
It states that Ferdinand is married. He's not.
There are a lot of glaring mistakes in it, and a lot of ignoring their own rules.
Norf, out of interest what exactly are you referring to in respect of them ignoring their own rules?
I found the disciplinary hearing very interesting the most noteworthy thing I suppose is JT didn't give evidence nor did he dispute the evidence given by Ferdinand. His entire case was that it was an abuse of process by the FA to seek to charge him after his criminal acquittal. I find that bizarre because usually when you try (and fail) with a procedural defence like JT then you would ordinarily have a go at a substantive defence. JT offered no oral evidence either personally or via witness and sought to rely heavily on the fact that the Magistrate in the criminal trial found him believable.
I thought Chelsea had a strict anti Racism stance?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20005819
John Terry remains Chelsea captain but is heavily fined
John Terry will continue as Chelsea captain, the club's chairman Bruce Buck has confirmed.