It now appears that the Hurlers are fully on strike and county Board have said that they won't be able to fulfill their fixture this weekend - final of the NHL Div 3.
Players statement released through GPA yesterday http://gaelicplayers.com/ (http://gaelicplayers.com/)
Was chatting on it last night and someone suggested that the county board can suspend all the players involved? Is this possible or would they want to, even if they could.
County board under serious pressure at the minute between this and the failings of the senior football team.
Technically the county board can suspend any player who refuses to play for the county when requested. It used to be a sword that the CB would hang over our heads when the 2 Brians were over Armagh. Its a disgrace what the Monaghan Board are doing and the clubs should refuse to field.
County board won't suspend the players - not a chance.
I would have thought it be madness for the county to go down that line, but you never know with county boards. By all accounts, they will face sanctions/fine themselves from HQ for failing to fulfill the fixture or maybe this can be avoided if they have given sufficant notice at this stage.
I can't believe it reached this stage. It boiled down to calling off 3 Intermediate league games, another 4 clubs were involved but they had agreed to play and release the players to the hurling squad. The county board could easily have moved the 3 matches.
As an interesting side note - clubs can also suspend players for not representing them. eg if a county management stops a player playing in a club fixture outside of the 13 day rule he can be suspended and unavailable to the county (unless a county byelaw stipulates further times when a county player can be withdrawn from club availability).
Fair play to them for taking the somewhat nuclear option.
The hurlers will bring immediate attention to their plight but unfortunately I don't think it will helpin the long term.
They'll most likely be quietly marginalised even more in future for pulling a stunt that publicly embarrassed the county board.
Are ye all serious? Division 3A hurling! Get a grip lads.
Fair play to them. They simply want some respect shown for themselves and Hurling.
Fair play to the hurlers, they are unbeaten in the league, going well under a good manager, and then they are expected to put up with having a good few of their panel playin club football on the Wednesday night before the final. Mattie and the lads are dead right not to put up with it.
I'm from one of the intermediate clubs involved, and there's no way we could play without our hurlers, but we could have played our game last week if asked. I realise the county board don't have an easy task keeping everybody happy with fixtures, but It seems that people are sticking in their heels when a bit of flexibility would have sorted the whole thing out.
Mickey McHugh is Tv3 news at 5:30pm and Newstalk Off the ball at 7:30pm speaking about the situation.
I think Mattie Lennon has pulled the resigning card on more than 1 ocassion.
First Cavan, now Longford & Monaghan. The game is on it's knees.
A total joke all round. None of the demands were unreasonable and it seems most clubs were amenable to a resolution but the assholes on the county board decided to play hardball when it was entirely unwarranted. You'd think in instances like this someone from the CCC or one of the many bodies under the Ulster Council would step in and tell them to wise the f**k up. Shit like this can end up festering for years.
They should get the Kilkenny footballers to tog out for them.
Quote from: panc56 on April 10, 2012, 10:45:27 PM
First Cavan, now Longford & Monaghan. The game is on it's knees.
The game is far from on its Knees. I will argue that huring is in a far beter place now than 20 years ago. It takes time and hard work to encourage its popularity in otherwise football strongholds and it is slowly working. That said if we were talking about Kerry here one might understand their stance in protecting the sacred football. Howvever this is Monaghan. Kerry have alot more respect for Hurling than that.
Quote from: magpie seanie on April 10, 2012, 04:08:14 PM
Are ye all serious? Division 3A hurling! Get a grip lads.
If it had been Division 3 in the NFL would the county board be asking county players to play club football on the Wednesday night?
I think not.
Take all their grant money from Croke park off them.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 10, 2012, 11:35:36 PM
A total joke all round. None of the demands were unreasonable and it seems most clubs were amenable to a resolution but the assholes on the county board decided to play hardball when it was entirely unwarranted. You'd think in instances like this someone from the CCC or one of the many bodies under the Ulster Council would step in and tell them to wise the f**k up. Shit like this can end up festering for years.
Thats very true and its at times like this that the GAA really lets itself down. HQ or even provincial council are very standoffish in these instances. It should be the opposite and at the first hint of a dispute or before it even becomes public, they should be involved and agree a course of action that both sides can agree to. Mind you in HQ, the majority of officers are former county board officials or would sit on committees with current officers, so they would probably just end up doing as was asked by the county board.
Anyway its a shame that 3 intermediate league matches have caused such trouble. You can be sure that in the coming months these teams will be sitting on their hands waiting for games when the county football panel head off for a training weekend.
I don't think they were asking for too much to move 3 matches. The clubs all agreed to move or delay the matches but county board said no.
Quote from: Bingo on April 11, 2012, 09:46:26 AM
The clubs all agreed to move or delay the matches but county board said no.
don't think that is true at all...I think 3 out of the 7 wouldn't agree with it or something according to the McHugh statement.
All a bit silly. Players in an impossible situation. The clubs who wouldn't budge also have a case to answer here.
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The clubs all agreed to move or delay the matches but county board said no.
don't think that is true at all...I think 3 out of the 7 wouldn't agree with it or something according to the McHugh statement.
All a bit silly. Players in an impossible situation. The clubs who wouldn't budge also have a case to answer here.
The clubs said they would all agree to the football matchs been called off or rescheduled. Three said they couldn't play without their players - which is right. One of them for instance would have two players on Hurling panel - they'd be their best players arguably on their football team. They have just got promoted to Intermediate for the first time and are playing their first game tonight in it. Not right that they field a weakened team when they already have a small panel. Other club would have 6 players missing from their football squad.
My own club told their players to play the hurling tonight and at weekend. We'd have a larger squad and could cope (hopefully!).
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Quote from: Bingo on April 11, 2012, 09:46:26 AM
The clubs all agreed to move or delay the matches but county board said no.
don't think that is true at all...I think 3 out of the 7 wouldn't agree with it or something according to the McHugh statement.
All a bit silly. Players in an impossible situation. The clubs who wouldn't budge also have a case to answer here.
Croke Park now also has a case to answer, they've been very quick to cancel the fixture and bring forward the Galway Dublin relegation game set to take place after the Monaghan hurlers game.
What has Duffy, the Monaghan man done to bring his own county to heel?
I presume there will be severe sanctions on Monaghan County Board for failing to fulfill a fixture, particularly a national final?
Yeah, sure.
Lets see some of quick action like that taken after the Laois/Armagh fiasco.
If postponed now, it could be late October before the matches are played, particularly if the Monaghan footballers are playing in Croker in September.
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Quote from: Bingo on April 11, 2012, 09:46:26 AM
The clubs all agreed to move or delay the matches but county board said no.
don't think that is true at all...I think 3 out of the 7 wouldn't agree with it or something according to the McHugh statement.
All a bit silly. Players in an impossible situation. The clubs who wouldn't budge also have a case to answer here.
That is definately not the case, all three clubs agreed teams affected, and the opposing clubs involved had agreed to switch the games. All the clubs had more or less assumed the games were being refixed, and had assumed this for a few weeks.
If all the clubs agreeded could they not have changed the games themself to avoid this.
I am in support of the Hurlers by the way I just think that over the last few years all these things are getting out of hand
Quote from: laoislad on April 10, 2012, 11:47:57 PM
They should get the Kilkenny footballers to tog out for them.
What have Kilkenny footballers got to do with it?
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Quote from: sheamy on April 11, 2012, 09:52:39 AM
Quote from: Bingo on April 11, 2012, 09:46:26 AM
The clubs all agreed to move or delay the matches but county board said no.
don't think that is true at all...I think 3 out of the 7 wouldn't agree with it or something according to the McHugh statement.
All a bit silly. Players in an impossible situation. The clubs who wouldn't budge also have a case to answer here.
That is definately not the case, all three clubs agreed teams affected, and the opposing clubs involved had agreed to switch the games. All the clubs had more or less assumed the games were being refixed, and had assumed this for a few weeks.
Ok, I have little knowledge other than what I read (and is possible I picked it up wrong)
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2012/0410/316689-mickey-mchugh/
"Four of the clubs felt they could continue on and play the matches without their footballers.
"Three clubs felt they weren't in a position to do that. They would need the fixtures changed.
"So the hurlers requested that the three football fixtures out of the seven would be switched.
"The county board blatantly refused to do it and as a result the hurlers have withdrawn their services from the county hurling team."
So the three clubs agreed they should be re-fixed but the county board refused to allow it? That sounds strange...
Disgraceful decision by the county board. Massive disrespect to the hurlers who have been making great progress and had qualified for an all-too-rare final.
Quote from: magpie seanie on April 10, 2012, 04:08:14 PM
Are ye all serious? Division 3A hurling! Get a grip lads.
Division 3A hurling is progress in Monaghan. Either we're serious about promoting the game or we're not.
Just when Monaghan were making a bit of progress. Very disappointing.
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Quote from: magpie seanie on April 10, 2012, 04:08:14 PM
Are ye all serious? Division 3A hurling! Get a grip lads.
Division 3A hurling is progress in Monaghan. Either we're serious about promoting the game or we're not.
I have to laugh, there's only 3 or 4 teams in Division 3B! It's not like in football where a Division 3 team could compete with an All-Ireland contender or even where it would be difficult to make a county panel.
If people think this is good enough reason to be calling off club fixtures you'd never get any competition finished. Club fixtures are being fecked around too much as it stands without postponing games for the likes of this.
Hurling is a great game but wasting money on 4th or 5th rate county teams is not "promoting the game". If people are actually serious about promoting hurling there's no mystery about how it's done - loads of coaches and start with kids. Not giving grants, gear, meals, mileage etc to guys who pretty much wouldn't make a decent club side.
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Quote from: magpie seanie on April 10, 2012, 04:08:14 PM
Are ye all serious? Division 3A hurling! Get a grip lads.
Division 3A hurling is progress in Monaghan. Either we're serious about promoting the game or we're not.
I have to laugh, there's only 3 or 4 teams in Division 3B! It's not like in football where a Division 3 team could compete with an All-Ireland contender or even where it would be difficult to make a county panel.
If people think this is good enough reason to be calling off club fixtures you'd never get any competition finished. Club fixtures are being fecked around too much as it stands without postponing games for the likes of this.
Hurling is a great game but wasting money on 4th or 5th rate county teams is not "promoting the game". If people are actually serious about promoting hurling there's no mystery about how it's done - loads of coaches and start with kids. Not giving grants, gear, meals, mileage etc to guys who pretty much wouldn't make a decent club side.
Who are you kidding? When was the last time a Div3 footballing county won an AI?
Certainly it's easier to keep the score down in football, but I wouldn't call that being competitive.
IMO Croke park should be ensuring all counties promote all codes equally or they get their grants cut.
Monaghan county board went back on a agreement that the hurlers could train on a Wednesday night, but lo and behold the hurlers actually did pretty well and got to the final meaning another week or two's training. A county team irrespective of how they'd compete with a team gets to a national final at their respective grade should be afforded a bit of respect.
Your arrogance is disgusting but you're far from alone I'm afraid to say.
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Quote from: magpie seanie on April 10, 2012, 04:08:14 PM
Are ye all serious? Division 3A hurling! Get a grip lads.
Division 3A hurling is progress in Monaghan. Either we're serious about promoting the game or we're not.
I have to laugh, there's only 3 or 4 teams in Division 3B! It's not like in football where a Division 3 team could compete with an All-Ireland contender or even where it would be difficult to make a county panel.
If people think this is good enough reason to be calling off club fixtures you'd never get any competition finished. Club fixtures are being fecked around too much as it stands without postponing games for the likes of this.
Hurling is a great game but wasting money on 4th or 5th rate county teams is not "promoting the game". If people are actually serious about promoting hurling there's no mystery about how it's done - loads of coaches and start with kids. Not giving grants, gear, meals, mileage etc to guys who pretty much wouldn't make a decent club side.
Don't be such a p***k. Any hurling match is better than any football match. No blanket defence, plenty of scores and more skill. The only way County's and Clubs will be able to develop hurling is if they get equal respect and support as football. Croke park does lay out minimum standards depending on grade. Put your self in a youngsters shoes, your good at both sports but your county board puts lots of money and resources in to football whilst their hurlers can't even get a pitch to train. Which code would you go for? Equality of treatment means hurling teams can attract the best on an equal footing. And it is just as hard to make a County Hurling panel and the training and committment expected is just as great as the footballers...That is why you have this dispute. Look at the progress made in Armagh all kick started by Mattie Lennon.
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Quote from: magpie seanie on April 11, 2012, 11:38:39 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on April 11, 2012, 05:46:18 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on April 10, 2012, 04:08:14 PM
Are ye all serious? Division 3A hurling! Get a grip lads.
Division 3A hurling is progress in Monaghan. Either we're serious about promoting the game or we're not.
I have to laugh, there's only 3 or 4 teams in Division 3B! It's not like in football where a Division 3 team could compete with an All-Ireland contender or even where it would be difficult to make a county panel.
If people think this is good enough reason to be calling off club fixtures you'd never get any competition finished. Club fixtures are being fecked around too much as it stands without postponing games for the likes of this.
Hurling is a great game but wasting money on 4th or 5th rate county teams is not "promoting the game". If people are actually serious about promoting hurling there's no mystery about how it's done - loads of coaches and start with kids. Not giving grants, gear, meals, mileage etc to guys who pretty much wouldn't make a decent club side.
Don't be such a p***k. Any hurling match is better than any football match. No blanket defence, plenty of scores and more skill. The only way County's and Clubs will be able to develop hurling is if they get equal respect and support as football. Croke park does lay out minimum standards depending on grade. Put your self in a youngsters shoes, your good at both sports but your county board puts lots of money and resources in to football whilst their hurlers can't even get a pitch to train. Which code would you go for? Equality of treatment means hurling teams can attract the best on an equal footing. And it is just as hard to make a County Hurling panel and the training and committment expected is just as great as the footballers...That is why you have this dispute. Look at the progress made in Armagh all kick started by Mattie Lennon.
That is untrue. I know lads who are regulars on county hurling panels who think our club football training is completely over the top and unnecessary.
I don't appreciate the name calling by the way.
As regards the other reply - I saw Sligo play Kerry (who went on to win the All-Ireland) in a qualifier in Tralee and Kerry were blessed to win. Imgine what would happen if Sligo or Monaghan played Kilkenny or Tipperary in a hurling championship game?
Fair play to Mattie and the Monaghan hurlers for taking such a stand. Mattie is a gentleman through and through and doesn't deserve to be treated with such contempt.
Seanie, even at 50 I'd wager you that Mattie would be fitter than most club footballers.
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Quote from: magpie seanie on April 10, 2012, 04:08:14 PM
Are ye all serious? Division 3A hurling! Get a grip lads.
Division 3A hurling is progress in Monaghan. Either we're serious about promoting the game or we're not.
I have to laugh, there's only 3 or 4 teams in Division 3B! It's not like in football where a Division 3 team could compete with an All-Ireland contender or even where it would be difficult to make a county panel.
If people think this is good enough reason to be calling off club fixtures you'd never get any competition finished. Club fixtures are being fecked around too much as it stands without postponing games for the likes of this.
Hurling is a great game but wasting money on 4th or 5th rate county teams is not "promoting the game". If people are actually serious about promoting hurling there's no mystery about how it's done - loads of coaches and start with kids. Not giving grants, gear, meals, mileage etc to guys who pretty much wouldn't make a decent club side.
Don't be such a p***k. Any hurling match is better than any football match. No blanket defence, plenty of scores and more skill. The only way County's and Clubs will be able to develop hurling is if they get equal respect and support as football. Croke park does lay out minimum standards depending on grade. Put your self in a youngsters shoes, your good at both sports but your county board puts lots of money and resources in to football whilst their hurlers can't even get a pitch to train. Which code would you go for? Equality of treatment means hurling teams can attract the best on an equal footing. And it is just as hard to make a County Hurling panel and the training and committment expected is just as great as the footballers...That is why you have this dispute. Look at the progress made in Armagh all kick started by Mattie Lennon.
That is untrue. I know lads who are regulars on county hurling panels who think our club football training is completely over the top and unnecessary.
I don't appreciate the name calling by the way.
As regards the other reply - I saw Sligo play Kerry (who went on to win the All-Ireland) in a qualifier in Tralee and Kerry were blessed to win. Imgine what would happen if Sligo or Monaghan played Kilkenny or Tipperary in a hurling championship game?
I'm not going to get into yet another debate of hurling vrs football as it's futile and irrelevant.
All I will say is that for any county paying lip service to football like Kilkenny, there are a dozen and more counties paying lip service to hurling and Croke park should be more proactive to ensure that this doesn't happen. Duffy and Co were very quick to put to bed the Laois/Armagh dispute with all sides coming to an 'agreement', yet little or no pressure was put to bear on Monaghan county board in this instance. The match was initially canceled, other fixtures rearranged within hours and now they've the game down as postponed!
The Kilkenny thread went onto a dozen odd pages, yet the Longford one and this one will see three or four at best.
Yes indeed imagine what would happen if a county the size of Sligo or Monaghan who put all their resources into hurling for years and the highlight being giving the eventual AI champions a bit of a scare once in a blue moon.
If this were about a more high prfofile team than Monaghan hurlers ( no disrespect intended ), Croke Park would be sorting this mess out - they'd have delegations dispatched to the county insisting that it be resolved.
They weren't long in sending for the Armagh and Laois county boards a few weeks ago - funny there hasn't been a word about the dispute that never was !!!
Paddy Heaney's article about doing things ( or not ) the GAA way is backed up in this instance yet again - if the GAA want it to happen, it will happen, if they don't it won't - simple !!! It's called democaracy ala GAA.
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Quote from: magpie seanie on April 10, 2012, 04:08:14 PM
Are ye all serious? Division 3A hurling! Get a grip lads.
Division 3A hurling is progress in Monaghan. Either we're serious about promoting the game or we're not.
I have to laugh, there's only 3 or 4 teams in Division 3B! It's not like in football where a Division 3 team could compete with an All-Ireland contender or even where it would be difficult to make a county panel.
If people think this is good enough reason to be calling off club fixtures you'd never get any competition finished. Club fixtures are being fecked around too much as it stands without postponing games for the likes of this.
Hurling is a great game but wasting money on 4th or 5th rate county teams is not "promoting the game". If people are actually serious about promoting hurling there's no mystery about how it's done - loads of coaches and start with kids. Not giving grants, gear, meals, mileage etc to guys who pretty much wouldn't make a decent club side.
Don't be such a p***k. Any hurling match is better than any football match. No blanket defence, plenty of scores and more skill. The only way County's and Clubs will be able to develop hurling is if they get equal respect and support as football. Croke park does lay out minimum standards depending on grade. Put your self in a youngsters shoes, your good at both sports but your county board puts lots of money and resources in to football whilst their hurlers can't even get a pitch to train. Which code would you go for? Equality of treatment means hurling teams can attract the best on an equal footing. And it is just as hard to make a County Hurling panel and the training and committment expected is just as great as the footballers...That is why you have this dispute. Look at the progress made in Armagh all kick started by Mattie Lennon.
That is untrue. I know lads who are regulars on county hurling panels who think our club football training is completely over the top and unnecessary.
I don't appreciate the name calling by the way.
As regards the other reply - I saw Sligo play Kerry (who went on to win the All-Ireland) in a qualifier in Tralee and Kerry were blessed to win. Imgine what would happen if Sligo or Monaghan played Kilkenny or Tipperary in a hurling championship game?
Didn't say you were one I asked you not to be one. I don't know what panels your talking about but I do know Mattie Lennon and I can gaurantee you he would not expect any less from his panel that the county footballers give. In relation to hurling unlike football it needs constant work on touch to just stay still let alone improve. This isn't about winning All Irelands it is about improving the standard and playing base of
Our National Game.
I think its easy to see from what Seanie is coming from but at same time he is looking at it as an outsider and very simplisticly.
In this instance its about fixtures not been cancelled - 3 Intermediate matches but behind that is broken promises and how the hurlers have been messed about over the years. For example at one stage they weren't allowed to train at the Training centre in Cloghan because the Banty wanted it closed to all other people when the senior squad was training, the county final was fixed/cancelled at short notice, played on poor pitch, players promised gear and was not received etc etc. Was alot going against them at times.
I know the county board argued that they had poor training numbers, players missing matches etc but the new Manager promised to put this right and was true to his word but county board weren't.
Its easy to say its just Monaghan hurling, they should accept what they are and move on. But isn't that the case in every county in Ireland. Their are teams and clubs that as it stands will never win anything or would be hammered if they tried to play the top dogs in their county or even their league. Should they just disband or accept getting the rough end of the stick? Be dictated to by they powers that be? Should they never try and better themselves so that they improve and move onto the next level and see what the futures hold?
Its a very fine line but in the future, even at club level I don't think we will even see dual players as the pressures and demands on them will be too great.
Good article by John Fogarty.
http://sport.irishexaminer.com/post/2012/04/11/Monaghan-hurlers-fight-reflects-wider-problem.aspx
John Fogarty
For the past three years, incoming GAA president Liam O'Neill has headed up the Hurling Development Committee (HDC).
He is a hurling man – he makes no bones about that. His club Trumera in Laois is predominantly a hurling club.
In February, he launched the Hurling Development Plan which will see Carriganore on the ring road outside Waterford city become the base for a hurling and camogie development centre.
However, it was the creation of the Táin club leagues for weaker hurling counties as well as the establishment of a nationwide network of mentors that caught the eye.
Recognising that the game has no chance of flourishing in counties without the grassroots first embracing it, the hope is the Táin club league will engage players to compete at a level suited to them before taking it on to inter-county level.
Borrowing a line from the GPA tutoring scheme, Tipperary's Liam Sheedy and Eamon O'Shea working in Tyrone and Donegal will be major boost to the fortunes of both counties' second GAA sport.
"Hurling was hanging by a thread, literally, and it needed some sort of an intervention. It was never going to happen if we did what we did before," O'Neill said at the launch.
"It was all about throwing money [at the problem], but now this has changed. This is a people-based plan and it is about games first.
"We set our stall out straight away with the Táin League. This is about games, getting hurling played, because if you don't play games you can't develop hurling."
That last line couldn't be more appropriate this week as the Monaghan County Board have decided to throw away all the good that their hurling team has done this year.
They may not exactly be guilty of contravening the rule that dictates they promote Gaelic games but they sure have stymied the encouragement of hurling.
By arranging intermediate club football fixtures for the same date as hurling training not to mention just four days before the Division 3A final, they have demonstrated disrespect to their own county team.
A definite chance of picking up some silverware has now been spurned. You could say they have shot themselves in the foot but then such is the indifference shown towards hurling in the county that some would argue it's someone else's toes they have aimed the barrel at.
It's hardly surprising Mattie Lennon and his players have decided to down tools in protest. They had been swimming against the tide but had done it so impressively they were hardly going to sit idly be and see all their efforts compromised.
If anyone was in any doubt about the Monaghan County Board's modus operandi, they were put right when hurler and GPA representative Mickey McHugh revealed officials had already scheduled in a round of intermediate club football for this Sunday, the same day the hurlers were supposed to face Fingal.
A quick look at the county board website confirmed that. They wouldn't have robbed their graves as quickly.
Remember, this was the same Monaghan County Board who had fought so strongly against the Central Hearings Committee's (CHC) decision to strip their footballers of home advantage in Division 2.
They had contested the €5,000 fine handed down to them by the Central Competitions Control Committee for some of their players' involvement in a melee in the home game with Kildare in February.
Their fight was vigorous and expensive as they took their case to the Disputes Resolution Authority, which, for starters, carried a €1,000 application fee.
They were eventually beaten but not without a battle.
What they perceived as an injustice is exactly what their own hurlers feel has been done to them by their own administrators.
The willingness of the county board to defend their footballers and their reluctance to cut their aspiring hurlers a little slack couldn't be more different.
Why couldn't three club intermediate football fixtures be switched for the greater good of the county hurling team winning a title and gaining promotion to Division 2B?
Was that something to fear?
The county board surely knew that Lennon had organised training sessions on Wednesday nights. The hurlers couldn't be blamed for thinking the county board wanted this confrontation.
On Twitter, the #SupportMonaghanHurlers hashtag has been doing the rounds and gaining the backing of several prominent inter-county hurlers and Gaelic footballers.
However, that encouragement must extend further than a mere retweet or a handy mention if their campaign is to be successful.
Coming after Longford's failure to field a team, it's been a miserable few weeks for hurling and Croke Park are undoubtedly worried about it.
Unless they are prepared to take sterner action with counties, all their good work at central level will continue to be undermined.
Monaghan's hurlers should be praised for standing up for the game, which is exactly what they're doing.
As O'Neill says, the development of hurling is to do with people. As Fingal manager Willie Bourke says, it's those in the weaker counties who keep the game alive that are the real hurling men.
They are in the minority though, and changing the life-long attitudes of those in charge of counties where Gaelic football has held precedence is a burdensome task.
Sadly, the situation in Monaghan indicates just a small part of that problem.
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Are ye all serious? Division 3A hurling! Get a grip lads.
Division 3A hurling is progress in Monaghan. Either we're serious about promoting the game or we're not.
I have to laugh, there's only 3 or 4 teams in Division 3B! It's not like in football where a Division 3 team could compete with an All-Ireland contender or even where it would be difficult to make a county panel.
If people think this is good enough reason to be calling off club fixtures you'd never get any competition finished. Club fixtures are being fecked around too much as it stands without postponing games for the likes of this.
Hurling is a great game but wasting money on 4th or 5th rate county teams is not "promoting the game". If people are actually serious about promoting hurling there's no mystery about how it's done - loads of coaches and start with kids. Not giving grants, gear, meals, mileage etc to guys who pretty much wouldn't make a decent club side.
Don't be such a p***k. Any hurling match is better than any football match. No blanket defence, plenty of scores and more skill. The only way County's and Clubs will be able to develop hurling is if they get equal respect and support as football. Croke park does lay out minimum standards depending on grade. Put your self in a youngsters shoes, your good at both sports but your county board puts lots of money and resources in to football whilst their hurlers can't even get a pitch to train. Which code would you go for? Equality of treatment means hurling teams can attract the best on an equal footing. And it is just as hard to make a County Hurling panel and the training and committment expected is just as great as the footballers...That is why you have this dispute. Look at the progress made in Armagh all kick started by Mattie Lennon.
That is untrue. I know lads who are regulars on county hurling panels who think our club football training is completely over the top and unnecessary.
I don't appreciate the name calling by the way.
As regards the other reply - I saw Sligo play Kerry (who went on to win the All-Ireland) in a qualifier in Tralee and Kerry were blessed to win. Imgine what would happen if Sligo or Monaghan played Kilkenny or Tipperary in a hurling championship game?
There is greater scope for a huge win/defeat in hurling than there is in football due to the complexity of the skills involved in hurling. I have played both football and hurling and the physical training within the hurling club was equally as tough as that within the football club. I remember some boys who only played football would try and slabber that hurling was a waste of time etc, that was until one summer a few years ago a challenge game between the football club and hurling club was organised with a half of each sport played. After the match there wasn't much talk out of the same fella again.
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 12, 2012, 01:54:19 PM
There is greater scope for a huge win/defeat in hurling than there is in football due to the complexity of the skills involved in hurling.
Nothing to do with the so-called "complexity of skills" in hurling. There is greater scope for a huge win/defeat in hurling than there is in football due to the ease of scoring in hurling.
Quote from: Hardy on April 12, 2012, 02:32:03 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 12, 2012, 01:54:19 PM
There is greater scope for a huge win/defeat in hurling than there is in football due to the complexity of the skills involved in hurling.
Nothing to do with the so-called "complexity of skills" in hurling. There is greater scope for a huge win/defeat in hurling than there is in football due to the ease of scoring in hurling,if you are skillful enough to find the target from 100 yards.
Fixed that there Hardy :D
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 12, 2012, 02:40:43 PM
Quote from: Hardy on April 12, 2012, 02:32:03 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 12, 2012, 01:54:19 PM
There is greater scope for a huge win/defeat in hurling than there is in football due to the complexity of the skills involved in hurling.
Nothing to do with the so-called "complexity of skills" in hurling. There is greater scope for a huge win/defeat in hurling than there is in football due to the ease of scoring in hurling,if you are skillful enough to find the target from 100 yards.
Fixed that there Hardy :D
Is it easier to score in hurling? You can be hooked and blocked in hurling so there is more chance for defenders to stop you from striking, whereas in football you only have the block from the front.
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 12, 2012, 02:40:43 PM
Quote from: Hardy on April 12, 2012, 02:32:03 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 12, 2012, 01:54:19 PM
There is greater scope for a huge win/defeat in hurling than there is in football due to the complexity of the skills involved in hurling.
Nothing to do with the so-called "complexity of skills" in hurling. There is greater scope for a huge win/defeat in hurling than there is in football due to the ease of scoring in hurling,if you are skillful enough to find the target from 100 yards.
Fixed that there Hardy :D
Leave me alone. I'm busy worrying that Banty may not go.
Quote from: Hardy on April 12, 2012, 03:59:28 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 12, 2012, 02:40:43 PM
Quote from: Hardy on April 12, 2012, 02:32:03 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 12, 2012, 01:54:19 PM
There is greater scope for a huge win/defeat in hurling than there is in football due to the complexity of the skills involved in hurling.
Nothing to do with the so-called "complexity of skills" in hurling. There is greater scope for a huge win/defeat in hurling than there is in football due to the ease of scoring in hurling,if you are skillful enough to find the target from 100 yards.
Fixed that there Hardy :D
Leave me alone. I'm busy worrying that Banty may not go.
Get the county fixtures secretary to schedule a full raft of club fixtures the week of your first championship game. That's a surefire way of getting rid of managers.
(c) Monaghan County Board.
Quote from: Hardy on April 12, 2012, 03:59:28 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 12, 2012, 02:40:43 PM
Quote from: Hardy on April 12, 2012, 02:32:03 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 12, 2012, 01:54:19 PM
There is greater scope for a huge win/defeat in hurling than there is in football due to the complexity of the skills involved in hurling.
Nothing to do with the so-called "complexity of skills" in hurling. There is greater scope for a huge win/defeat in hurling than there is in football due to the ease of scoring in hurling,if you are skillful enough to find the target from 100 yards.
Fixed that there Hardy :D
Leave me alone. I'm busy worrying that Banty may not go.
Aye, I saw that. I'm not sure whether 'telling him where the door is but leaving it up to himself' is the best strategy there.
Quote from: johnneycool on April 12, 2012, 04:16:08 PM
Quote from: Hardy on April 12, 2012, 03:59:28 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 12, 2012, 02:40:43 PM
Quote from: Hardy on April 12, 2012, 02:32:03 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 12, 2012, 01:54:19 PM
There is greater scope for a huge win/defeat in hurling than there is in football due to the complexity of the skills involved in hurling.
Nothing to do with the so-called "complexity of skills" in hurling. There is greater scope for a huge win/defeat in hurling than there is in football due to the ease of scoring in hurling,if you are skillful enough to find the target from 100 yards.
Fixed that there Hardy :D
Leave me alone. I'm busy worrying that Banty may not go.
Get the county fixtures secretary to schedule a full raft of club fixtures the week of your first championship game. That's a surefire way of getting rid of managers. (c) Monaghan County Board.
That would be no problem as intercounty managers have 13 day call on players per the rule book prior to senior intercounty championship games unless the county has passed a bye law to reduce it.
Quote from: johnneycool on April 12, 2012, 11:20:15 AM
I'm not going to get into yet another debate of hurling vrs football as it's futile and irrelevant.
All I will say is that for any county paying lip service to football like Kilkenny, there are a dozen and more counties paying lip service to hurling and Croke park should be more proactive to ensure that this doesn't happen. Duffy and Co were very quick to put to bed the Laois/Armagh dispute with all sides coming to an 'agreement', yet little or no pressure was put to bear on Monaghan county board in this instance. The match was initially canceled, other fixtures rearranged within hours and now they've the game down as postponed!
The Kilkenny thread went onto a dozen odd pages, yet the Longford one and this one will see three or four at best.
Yes indeed imagine what would happen if a county the size of Sligo or Monaghan who put all their resources into hurling for years and the highlight being giving the eventual AI champions a bit of a scare once in a blue moon.
Hit the nail on the head there. Theres a vast swathe of the country where lip service is played to hurling by county boards but yet look at the uproar about the Kilkenny footballers recently. Now we have this happening in Monaghan which has followed the withdrawals of Longford and Cavan.
Seanie one of the justifications you mentioned earlier was that money is being wasted on senior hurling in the likes in the likes of Monaghan and it would be better spent on kids. Very noble of course and i read the Cavan county board saying the same thing when their hurlers withdrew. Well how are Cavan promoting hurling then? Not very well i would say as they played their Feile na nGael in February and the All Irleand Feile is in Dublin in July. Thats not promoting hurling; thats getting it out of the way as its only an annoyance so football can be played.
There is an intolerance to hurling in most counties outside the top flight, Armagh included. Some one hit the nail earlier for most hurling clubs and county setups particularly outside of Antrim and the Ards people are a scarce resource and the open hostility of Club Football Managers to hurling even in dual clubs is quite obvious. throwing money at it is not a solution.
I think it's important that one of the most celebrated goals in a not so distant Hurling era was scored with the foot by nickey English. Hurling afficionadai marvelled at the skill levels. They would have been standard skills in the repertoire of any club footballer
Quote from: rrhf on April 14, 2012, 11:58:09 AM
I think it's important that one of the most celebrated goals in a not so distant Hurling era was scored with the foot by nickey English. Hurling afficionadai marvelled at the skill levels. They would have been standard skills in the repertoire of any club footballer
You mean a club soccer player of course? Nicky English kicked that goal off the ground. You hardly see anyone kicking the ball in gaelic football now never mind off the ground.
Quote from: Fairhead on April 13, 2012, 08:51:50 PM
Hit the nail on the head there. Theres a vast swathe of the country where lip service is played to hurling by county boards but yet look at the uproar about the Kilkenny footballers recently. Now we have this happening in Monaghan which has followed the withdrawals of Longford and Cavan.
Seanie one of the justifications you mentioned earlier was that money is being wasted on senior hurling in the likes in the likes of Monaghan and it would be better spent on kids. Very noble of course and i read the Cavan county board saying the same thing when their hurlers withdrew. Well how are Cavan promoting hurling then? Not very well i would say as they played their Feile na nGael in February and the All Irleand Feile is in Dublin in July. Thats not promoting hurling; thats getting it out of the way as its only an annoyance so football can be played.
When you don't know the situation, it's best not to make wild sweeping statements and assumptions, especially when you're completely wrong
Quote from: Celt_Man on April 15, 2012, 06:07:57 PM
Quote from: Fairhead on April 13, 2012, 08:51:50 PM
Hit the nail on the head there. Theres a vast swathe of the country where lip service is played to hurling by county boards but yet look at the uproar about the Kilkenny footballers recently. Now we have this happening in Monaghan which has followed the withdrawals of Longford and Cavan.
Seanie one of the justifications you mentioned earlier was that money is being wasted on senior hurling in the likes in the likes of Monaghan and it would be better spent on kids. Very noble of course and i read the Cavan county board saying the same thing when their hurlers withdrew. Well how are Cavan promoting hurling then? Not very well i would say as they played their Feile na nGael in February and the All Irleand Feile is in Dublin in July. Thats not promoting hurling; thats getting it out of the way as its only an annoyance so football can be played.
When you don't know the situation, it's best not to make wild sweeping statements and assumptions, especially when you're completely wrong
I will be the first to admit if i have got any facts wrong so please tell me what im wrong about? So i didnt read a match report of the Cavan Feile final being played on the plastic pitch at Breffni Park in Feb? What has Cootehill won that has sent them forward to the All Ireland Feile in Dublin in July if not the Cavan Feile?
Quote from: Fairhead on April 15, 2012, 11:14:25 PM
Well how are Cavan promoting hurling then? Not very well i would say ....
Cavan at the minute have a Full time Hurling Development Administrator, Ulster Development Officer for Hurling in Fermanagh and Cavan, they have recently appointed 2 Hurling Coaches to focus on two key Urban areas... They have record participation in Under8, 10s, 12s and 14s so far this year. While their County Minor Hurling Team beat the Ulster League Division 2 Champions Monaghan and will have high hopes for the Ulster Minor Championship....
Hope that clears it up for ya!! :)
I thought this topic was in the GAA threads but seems to have mysteriously moved to the hurling thread?
Why ,oh all powerful moderator?
Quote from: Celt_Man on April 16, 2012, 07:27:00 PM
Quote from: Fairhead on April 15, 2012, 11:14:25 PM
Well how are Cavan promoting hurling then? Not very well i would say ....
Cavan at the minute have a Full time Hurling Development Administrator, Ulster Development Officer for Hurling in Fermanagh and Cavan, they have recently appointed 2 Hurling Coaches to focus on two key Urban areas... They have record participation in Under8, 10s, 12s and 14s so far this year. While their County Minor Hurling Team beat the Ulster League Division 2 Champions Monaghan and will have high hopes for the Ulster Minor Championship....
Hope that clears it up for ya!! :)
I see the Cavan minors got beat narrowly by Monaghan in a league semi final last weekend and Monaghan went on to win final on Wednesday. So looking in from the outside it certainly does look like there is good work being done with underage hurling in Cavan. Hopefully all those coaches that you talk about above are getting co-operation from county and clubs and maybe even some of the teams get to use grass pitches in the summer instead of plastic pitches in February :P
Are these lads going to play in the Rackard Cup or what?
They've a home match against Donegal this weekend. Are they fielding, or still on strike?
Yes they are playing under a new management team
Didn't go very well. There must have been a lot of club football fixtures in Monaghan this week.
Been following this story and it sounds like a compete debacle!!