I came across this on the old board - we were asked to name our team of the last 20 years, 5 years ago.
A poster called Printiseach collated the stats and here was the result:
Team of 1985-2005
(the 2 numbers at the end are 'positional votes' and 'total votes'
1- John O'Leary ------ Dublin --- Leinster ---- 18 ---- 18
2- Robbie O'Malley ---- Meath -- Leinster ----- 8 ----- 8
3- Darren Fay -------- Meath -- Leinster ---- 19 ----- 19
4- Tony Scullion ------ Derry --- Ulster ------ 18 ---- 18
5- Seamus Moynihan -- Kerry --- Munster --- 15 ----- 17
6- Kieran McGeeney --- Armagh - Ulster ----- 13 ----- 15
7- Martin O'Connell ---- Meath -- Leinster --- 13 ----- 14
8- John McDermott ---- Meath -- Leinster --- 12 ----- 12
9- Anthony Tohill ------ Derry --- Ulster ----- 23 ----- 23
10- Maurice Fitzgerald - Kerry --- Munster --- 12 ----- 21
11- Larry Tompkins ---- Cork --- Munster --- 13 ------ 14
12- Trevor Giles ------- Meath - Leinster ----- 6 ------ 7
13- Colm O'Rourke ----- Meath - Leinster --- 14 ------ 18
14- Peter Canavan ---- Tyrone - Ulster ----- 16 ------ 21
15- Mickey Linden ----- Down -- Ulster ----- 16 ------ 17
Since then (2005), who has been displaced or added (if any) if we arrived at at team of the last 25 years (1986-2011)
Gooch?
Cavanagh?
Quote from: ONeill on July 21, 2011, 10:40:41 PM
I came across this on the old board - we were asked to name our team of the last 20 years, 5 years ago.
A poster called Printiseach collated the stats and here was the result:
Team of 1985-2005
(the 2 numbers at the end are 'positional votes' and 'total votes'
1- John O'Leary ------ Dublin --- Leinster ---- 18 ---- 18
2- Robbie O'Malley ---- Meath -- Leinster ----- 8 ----- 8
3- Darren Fay -------- Meath -- Leinster ---- 19 ----- 19
4- Tony Scullion ------ Derry --- Ulster ------ 18 ---- 18
5- Seamus Moynihan -- Kerry --- Munster --- 15 ----- 17
6- Kieran McGeeney --- Armagh - Ulster ----- 13 ----- 15
7- Martin O'Connell ---- Meath -- Leinster --- 13 ----- 14
8- John McDermott ---- Meath -- Leinster --- 12 ----- 12
9- Anthony Tohill ------ Derry --- Ulster ----- 23 ----- 23
10- Maurice Fitzgerald - Kerry --- Munster --- 12 ----- 21
11- Larry Tompkins ---- Cork --- Munster --- 13 ------ 14
12- Trevor Giles ------- Meath - Leinster ----- 6 ------ 7
13- Colm O'Rourke ----- Meath - Leinster --- 14 ------ 18
14- Peter Canavan ---- Tyrone - Ulster ----- 16 ------ 21
15- Mickey Linden ----- Down -- Ulster ----- 16 ------ 17
Sine then (2005), who has been displaced (if any) if we arrived at at team of the last 25 years (1986-2001)
Gooch?
Cavanagh?
That's 15 years.
Wow. Not a single player from Connacht. Interesting.
Quote from: stiffler on July 21, 2011, 10:45:37 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 21, 2011, 10:40:41 PM
I came across this on the old board - we were asked to name our team of the last 20 years, 5 years ago.
A poster called Printiseach collated the stats and here was the result:
Team of 1985-2005
(the 2 numbers at the end are 'positional votes' and 'total votes'
1- John O'Leary ------ Dublin --- Leinster ---- 18 ---- 18
2- Robbie O'Malley ---- Meath -- Leinster ----- 8 ----- 8
3- Darren Fay -------- Meath -- Leinster ---- 19 ----- 19
4- Tony Scullion ------ Derry --- Ulster ------ 18 ---- 18
5- Seamus Moynihan -- Kerry --- Munster --- 15 ----- 17
6- Kieran McGeeney --- Armagh - Ulster ----- 13 ----- 15
7- Martin O'Connell ---- Meath -- Leinster --- 13 ----- 14
8- John McDermott ---- Meath -- Leinster --- 12 ----- 12
9- Anthony Tohill ------ Derry --- Ulster ----- 23 ----- 23
10- Maurice Fitzgerald - Kerry --- Munster --- 12 ----- 21
11- Larry Tompkins ---- Cork --- Munster --- 13 ------ 14
12- Trevor Giles ------- Meath - Leinster ----- 6 ------ 7
13- Colm O'Rourke ----- Meath - Leinster --- 14 ------ 18
14- Peter Canavan ---- Tyrone - Ulster ----- 16 ------ 21
15- Mickey Linden ----- Down -- Ulster ----- 16 ------ 17
Sine then (2005), who has been displaced (if any) if we arrived at at team of the last 25 years (1986-2001)
Gooch?
Cavanagh?
That's 15 years.
Sorry, thought we were back in the days when Galway were some outfit (and before football was invented in the north)
Quote from: ONeill on July 21, 2011, 10:40:41 PM
I came across this on the old board - we were asked to name our team of the last 20 years, 5 years ago.
A poster called Printiseach collated the stats and here was the result:
Team of 1985-2005
(the 2 numbers at the end are 'positional votes' and 'total votes'
1- John O'Leary ------ Dublin --- Leinster ---- 18 ---- 18
2- Robbie O'Malley ---- Meath -- Leinster ----- 8 ----- 8
3- Darren Fay -------- Meath -- Leinster ---- 19 ----- 19
4- Tony Scullion ------ Derry --- Ulster ------ 18 ---- 18
5- Seamus Moynihan -- Kerry --- Munster --- 15 ----- 17
6- Kieran McGeeney --- Armagh - Ulster ----- 13 ----- 15
7- Martin O'Connell ---- Meath -- Leinster --- 13 ----- 14
8- John McDermott ---- Meath -- Leinster --- 12 ----- 12
9- Anthony Tohill ------ Derry --- Ulster ----- 23 ----- 23
10- Maurice Fitzgerald - Kerry --- Munster --- 12 ----- 21
11- Larry Tompkins ---- Cork --- Munster --- 13 ------ 14
12- Trevor Giles ------- Meath - Leinster ----- 6 ------ 7
13- Colm O'Rourke ----- Meath - Leinster --- 14 ------ 18
14- Peter Canavan ---- Tyrone - Ulster ----- 16 ------ 21
15- Mickey Linden ----- Down -- Ulster ----- 16 ------ 17
Sine then (2005), who has been displaced (if any) if we arrived at at team of the last 25 years (1986-2001)
Gooch?
Cavanagh?
Love these kindve discussions, cant really remember much of tompkins and O'Rourke bar and odd video so id move giles to 11 and put dooher to 10 (Tyrone fecker but a phenomenal number 10) and gooch to 13. Possibly sean og de paor to 7, as i cant remember enough of martin o connell!! Cluxton to goals and sean marty for o'malley for the same reason. Honourable mentions to Kieran donaghy, steve o'neill, steve mcdonnell, cav, Ja fallon, padraic joyce, michael donnellan, ah jesus i could go on all night here
The man that started it must of been a meath man
This (http://gaadiscussionboard.yuku.com/topic/1395/GAABoard-Team-of-the-last-20-years?page=1#.TiilHs1dg68) was the original thread.
I'd think that Dara O Se might bump McDermott off the list. In a few years Tomas and Marc might join him.
From my own perspective I'd suggest that any team without Conor Gormley, Colm Cooper and Brian McGuigan in it should be null and void, while Donaghy and Cavanagh should be very close.
Quote from: thewobbler on July 21, 2011, 11:17:04 PM
I'd think that Dara O Se might bump McDermott off the list. In a few years Tomas and Marc might join him.
From my own perspective I'd suggest that any team without Conor Gormley, Colm Cooper and Brian McGuigan in it should be null and void, while Donaghy and Cavanagh should be very close.
I agree dara should be in there possibly for john mcderm, mcguig was/is a great player but Giles was better. Scored more from play and was an ace free taker as well as doing the "Quarterback" role.
All those Meath players are there on merit so hands off! >:(
Especially you nordies.
VPTBG should be in goal.
Philly Jordan in at no. 7?
Where is Fearon these days?
Quote from: Jinxy on July 22, 2011, 12:23:45 PM
Where is Fearon these days?
Between entering competitions for free tickets, collecting his winnings and going to the matches he doesn't have a minute.
Quote from: thewobbler on July 21, 2011, 11:17:04 PM
I'd think that Dara O Se might bump McDermott off the list. In a few years Tomas and Marc might join him.
From my own perspective I'd suggest that any team without Conor Gormley, Colm Cooper and Brian McGuigan in it should be null and void, while Donaghy and Cavanagh should be very close.
Id have Greg Blaney in before McGuigan, Giles or Tompkins
There needs to be atleast one McGourty on the team!
Quote from: HiMucker on July 22, 2011, 01:44:04 PM
There needs to be atleast one McGourty on the team!
Brendan Crossan is working on it as we speak.
padraig joyce should be on it,cluxton would also have a strong case,the gooch is a certainty
QuoteId have Greg Blaney in before McGuigan, Giles or Tompkins
It would have been nice to have the smaller counties like Wicklow, Kildare and Cork represented on the team but Larry Tompkins has had to withdraw his name due to a sudden attack of sun burn on his ankles :D
There will have to be at least 2 O'Se brothers on any team of the last 25 years !
Kerry to be represented by Moynihan, Tomas, Darragh, Cooper, Maurice and Declan O'Sullivan would be a close call too !
Quote from: Stevie g 8 on July 22, 2011, 02:08:55 PM
padraig joyce should be on it,cluxton would also have a strong case,the gooch is a certainty
I fail to see why there is so much hype about cluxton
I wouldn't have Moynihan in there.
Mayo are a failed entity in the last 25 years, so just as well there's nobody from the county on the team.
Quote from: southdown on July 22, 2011, 02:24:01 PM
Quote from: Stevie g 8 on July 22, 2011, 02:08:55 PM
padraig joyce should be on it,cluxton would also have a strong case,the gooch is a certainty
I fail to see why there is so much hype about cluxton
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Agree with Whitegoodman Blaney at 11 with Giles and Fitzgerald on the wing . Daragh O Se would have to start at mid field would he not . Apart from that a good side
Starting with the easiest position I would say midfield has two outstanding candidates. Anthony Tohill was a phenomenon and I can't imagine a single team in history that he wouldn't get in to. Next to him the one player in eh last ten years or so that never seemed to lose a midfield battle was Darragh O Se.
So I'd defo have Tohill & O Se as the two midfielders.
'91 to '11
S Cluxton,
M Ó Sé, D Fay, M O'Connell
S Moynihan, K McGeeney, T Ó Sé
D Ó Sé , A Tohill,
M Fitzgerald, S Cavanagh, P Joyce,
C Cooper, P Canavan, M Linden
Quote from: PAULD123 on July 22, 2011, 02:43:58 PM
Starting with the easiest position I would say midfield has two outstanding candidates. Anthony Tohill was a phenomenon and I can't imagine a single team in history that he wouldn't get in to. Next to him the one player in eh last ten years or so that never seemed to lose a midfield battle was Darragh O Se.
So I'd defo have Tohill & O Se as the two midfielders.
Darragh O'Sé only came into his own when the likes of McDermott, Tohill, Walsh, Stynes, Buckley, McHale etc. were in their twilight years or gone altogether.
If you put Darragh in his prime up against John McDermott or Tohill he wouldn't catch a single ball.
He played his best football in an era where the midfield landscape changed considerably as the nordies started flooding it with bodies.
More often than not Darragh just had to battle swarms of angry midgets (you know who you are).
Quote from: Jinxy on July 22, 2011, 04:02:19 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on July 22, 2011, 02:43:58 PM
Starting with the easiest position I would say midfield has two outstanding candidates. Anthony Tohill was a phenomenon and I can't imagine a single team in history that he wouldn't get in to. Next to him the one player in eh last ten years or so that never seemed to lose a midfield battle was Darragh O Se.
So I'd defo have Tohill & O Se as the two midfielders.
Darragh O'Sé only came into his own when the likes of McDermott, Tohill, Walsh, Stynes, Buckley, McHale etc. were in their twilight years or gone altogether.
If you put Darragh in his prime up against John McDermott or Tohill he wouldn't catch a single ball.
He played his best football in an era where the midfield landscape changed considerably as the nordies started flooding it with bodies.
More often than not Darragh just had to battle swarms of angry midgets (you know who you are).
:D :D :D :D
Quote from: Jinxy on July 22, 2011, 04:02:19 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on July 22, 2011, 02:43:58 PM
Starting with the easiest position I would say midfield has two outstanding candidates. Anthony Tohill was a phenomenon and I can't imagine a single team in history that he wouldn't get in to. Next to him the one player in eh last ten years or so that never seemed to lose a midfield battle was Darragh O Se.
So I'd defo have Tohill & O Se as the two midfielders.
Darragh O'Sé only came into his own when the likes of McDermott, Tohill, Walsh, Stynes, Buckley, McHale etc. were in their twilight years or gone altogether.
If you put Darragh in his prime up against John McDermott or Tohill he wouldn't catch a single ball.
He played his best football in an era where the midfield landscape changed considerably as the nordies started flooding it with bodies.
More often than not Darragh just had to battle swarms of angry midgets (you know who you are).
I think up until Galway emerged in the late 90s, most of the 90s were poor Gaelic Football wise. It was post Kerry, Cork, Meath and Dublin's great teams. Looking at some All-Ireland winners, Dublin scraped past Tyrone, Meath and Kerry scraped past Mayo, Donegal won in '92 and never really registered on the big stage before or since. Mayo were within a bouncing ball of winning the All-Ireland FFS!
Only twice in the 90s did the winning team get more than 15 scores compared to 8 timesin the 00s. The 90s were much slower. Midfielders had much more time and space to catch a ball. The 00s were much faster: in attack, in defense, reacting to midfield breaks, etc.
John McDermott shown bright in the 90s but it's easier to shine bright in a dimly lit sky. That was an easier era than Darragh Ó Sé faced. McDermott didn't have 6 lads waiting for him when he landed. Darragh had it all: the fielding, be it in midfield or under the crossbar, the playmaker, chipping in with a point or two, sometimes with his left foot, sometimes with the right, the goto guy when the team were up against it.
It's not like Darragh Ó Sé didn't face great midfielders in the 00s: McGrane, Murphy, Cavanagh, Walsh, Whelan, etc.
81 c'ship appearances, all at midfield. 6 All-Ireland medals to his name, that's only 1 less than Meath have won in 125 years. Winning 6 All-Ireland medals isn't easy you know.
In summary Darragh is much more worthy of a place on the team that John McDermott.
yours sincerely,
Mrs. Ó Sé
Back-door all-irelands shouldn't count.
Football in the 90's was great.
Men were men and there was no rolling around trying to get lads put off.
The game was played hard but fair.
That's why we were so successful.
Then along came puke football and we just lost interest.
-The End-
Quote from: Jinxy on July 22, 2011, 12:23:45 PM
Where is Fearon these days?
The Irish News have a small section each day in the paper where they print about 6 or 8 tweets from people's twitter accounts the day before. They are usually from politicians or bloggers, but Tony Fearon bizarrely seems to feature a couple of times a week.
Fearon is busy on facebook too.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 22, 2011, 04:02:19 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on July 22, 2011, 02:43:58 PM
Starting with the easiest position I would say midfield has two outstanding candidates. Anthony Tohill was a phenomenon and I can't imagine a single team in history that he wouldn't get in to. Next to him the one player in eh last ten years or so that never seemed to lose a midfield battle was Darragh O Se.
So I'd defo have Tohill & O Se as the two midfielders.
Darragh O'Sé only came into his own when the likes of McDermott, Tohill, Walsh, Stynes, Buckley, McHale etc. were in their twilight years or gone altogether.
If you put Darragh in his prime up against John McDermott or Tohill he wouldn't catch a single ball.
He played his best football in an era where the midfield landscape changed considerably as the nordies started flooding it with bodies.
More often than not Darragh just had to battle swarms of angry midgets (you know who you are).
McGrane, Whelan and Nicholas Murphy gave him loads to think about along with the midges. He is still probably my favourite footballer ever though. A heavyweight who never dodged a fight.
Oisin McConville is a shoe in
Love these debates. Picking a team of the last 20 years is fraught with peril but no one is going to get a team everyone agrees on.
I'd go for the following:
Stephen Cluxton
Martin O'Connell Darren Fay Marc O Se
Tomas O Se Seamus Moynihan Philip Jordan
Darragh O Se Anthony Tohill
Declan O'Sullivan Padraig Joyce Graham Geraghty
Colm Cooper Peter Canavan Maurice Fitzgerald
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on July 23, 2011, 01:11:19 AM
Love these debates. Picking a team of the last 20 years is fraught with peril but no one is going to get a team everyone agrees on.
I'd go for the following:
Stephen Cluxton
Martin O'Connell Darren Fay Marc O Se
Tomas O Se Seamus Moynihan Philip Jordan
Darragh O Se Anthony Tohill
Declan O'Sullivan Padraig Joyce Graham Geraghty
Colm Cooper Peter Canavan Maurice Fitzgerald
No Tyrone hat on but I think you cannot leave Sean Cavanagh out, maybe at Geraghty's expense?
Quote from: ONeill on July 23, 2011, 01:26:24 AM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on July 23, 2011, 01:11:19 AM
Love these debates. Picking a team of the last 20 years is fraught with peril but no one is going to get a team everyone agrees on.
I'd go for the following:
Stephen Cluxton
Martin O'Connell Darren Fay Marc O Se
Tomas O Se Seamus Moynihan Philip Jordan
Darragh O Se Anthony Tohill
Declan O'Sullivan Padraig Joyce Graham Geraghty
Colm Cooper Peter Canavan Maurice Fitzgerald
No Tyrone hat on but I think you cannot leave Sean Cavanagh out, maybe at Geraghty's expense?
Where are Tony Scullion, Henry Downey, Greg Blaney, Martin Mc Hugh, James jnr, Mickey Linden, John O Leary?
Quote from: ONeill on July 23, 2011, 01:26:24 AM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on July 23, 2011, 01:11:19 AM
Love these debates. Picking a team of the last 20 years is fraught with peril but no one is going to get a team everyone agrees on.
I'd go for the following:
Stephen Cluxton
Martin O'Connell Darren Fay Marc O Se
Tomas O Se Seamus Moynihan Philip Jordan
Darragh O Se Anthony Tohill
Declan O'Sullivan Padraig Joyce Graham Geraghty
Colm Cooper Peter Canavan Maurice Fitzgerald
No Tyrone hat on but I think you cannot leave Sean Cavanagh out, maybe at Geraghty's expense?
You cannot be serious. You can NOT be serious. Geraghty is the complete, sublime gaelic footballer. Cavanagh has done OK for a slightly awkward, ungainly fellow.
Quote from: Hardy on July 23, 2011, 10:07:45 AM
You cannot be serious. You can NOT be serious. Geraghty is the complete, sublime gaelic footballer. Cavanagh has done OK for a slightly awkward, ungainly fellow.
Cavanagh wouldn't score a poofy goal like this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxs_ta-Pjcc
1991 - 2011, I will say this:
1) Stephen Cluxton - Dublin
2) Seamus Moynihan - Kerry
3) Darren Fay - Meath
4) Sean Marty Lockhart - Derry
5) Paul Curran - Dublin
6) Keiran McGeeney - Armagh
7) Sean Og De Paor - Galway
8) John McDermott - Meath
9) Dara O'Se - Kerry
10) Trevor Giles - Meath
11) Ciaran McDonald - Mayo
12) Graham Geraghty - Meath
13) Colm Cooper - Kerry
14) Peter Canavan - Tyrone
15) Maurice Fitzgerald - Kerry
Four Meath players vs one Tyrone dosen't reflect Tyrone's dominance in the latter half of the 1991-2011 period.
Same with Kerry with only O'Se and Cooper from their noughties teams in the final line-up.
Still, the four Meath players were exceptional and are as good as anything that Meath have ever produced.
The two players who I had most difficulty omitting were Padraic Joyce and Ollie Murphy.
Other players who I considered (in no particular order):
Goalkeeper: John O'Leary.
Defence: Marc O'Se, Keiren McKeever, Philip Jordan, Tomas O'Se, Conor Gormely, Paddy Christie, Cathal Daly, Mark O'Reilly.
Midfielders: Ciaran Whelan, Anthony Tohill, Sean Cavanagh, Paddy Keenan, Niall Buckley, Michael Donnellan.
Forwards: Padraic Joyce, Ollie Murphy, Tommy Dowd, Stephen O'Neill, Brian McGuigan, James McCartan, Mickey Linden, Declan O'Sullivan, Ja Fallon, Stephen McDonnell, Ger Cavlan.
I should probably explain the inclusion of Keenan in such esteemed company.
An exceptional midfielder and has been the best in Ireland in the last 3/4 years.
And I'm from Meath !! He is without player one player who's career will probably never get the credit it deserves.
Quote from: passedit on July 23, 2011, 03:36:37 AM
Quote from: ONeill on July 23, 2011, 01:26:24 AM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on July 23, 2011, 01:11:19 AM
Love these debates. Picking a team of the last 20 years is fraught with peril but no one is going to get a team everyone agrees on.
I'd go for the following:
Stephen Cluxton
Martin O'Connell Darren Fay Marc O Se
Tomas O Se Seamus Moynihan Philip Jordan
Darragh O Se Anthony Tohill
Declan O'Sullivan Padraig Joyce Graham Geraghty
Colm Cooper Peter Canavan Maurice Fitzgerald
No Tyrone hat on but I think you cannot leave Sean Cavanagh out, maybe at Geraghty's expense?
Where are Tony Scullion, Henry Downey, Greg Blaney, Martin Mc Hugh, James jnr, Mickey Linden, John O Leary?
Possibly in relation to Cavanagh but I was a big fan of Geraghty myself. Would have him in any team. Blaney and Mickey Linden are decent shouts too, possibly for Gooch and O'Sullivan but both those two are going to get better and will have those spots nailed down in time. As I see it they have them now but others may not agree. I may be more biased towards last fifteen years in my selection admittedly.
And as for the few Tyronies on board, it is not a selection based on team's success but individuals brilliance over the period of time. Tyrone were the archetypal team, with any amount of guys who would be in contention but few enough who ever had to be dominate games in order for them to progress. That's possibly one reason why Canavan is so well regarded, because he carried Tyrone on his own at times in the 1990s. The likes of Stephen O'Neill never had to do that. Not making an argument for O'Neill being better than Canavan but merely pointing out that guys who needed to sparkle all the time will be more acclaimed.
Find it hard to believe that James Nallen is not even been considered for these teams. If he was from Kerry he would have a s**t load of all Irelands and an even greater number of all stars to his name. Mcgeeney was good and Curran might have looked flashy but James Nallen stood tall in many a Mayo team that collapsed all around him.
Quote from: saffronandblue on July 23, 2011, 09:49:31 PM
Find it hard to believe that James Nallen is not even been considered for these teams. If he was from Kerry he would have a s**t load of all Irelands and an even greater number of all stars to his name. Mcgeeney was good and Curran might have looked flashy but James Nallen stood tall in many a Mayo team that collapsed all around him.
I gave him serious consideration but went for Moynihan. Nallen was a class act too though and there were a lot of fine centre-half backs in the period under questions. Moynihan was, in my opinion, the best defender of the modern era. You could play Nallen on the wing I guess.
Quote from: Sea The Stars on July 23, 2011, 12:22:25 PM
1991 - 2011, I will say this:
1) Stephen Cluxton - Dublin
2) Seamus Moynihan - Kerry
3) Darren Fay - Meath
4) Sean Marty Lockhart - Derry
5) Paul Curran - Dublin
6) Keiran McGeeney - Armagh
7) Sean Og De Paor - Galway
8) John McDermott - Meath
9) Dara O'Se - Kerry
10) Trevor Giles - Meath
11) Ciaran McDonald - Mayo
12) Graham Geraghty - Meath
13) Colm Cooper - Kerry
14) Peter Canavan - Tyrone
15) Maurice Fitzgerald - Kerry
Four Meath players vs one Tyrone dosen't reflect Tyrone's dominance in the latter half of the 1991-2011 period.
Same with Kerry with only O'Se and Cooper from their noughties teams in the final line-up.
Still, the four Meath players were exceptional and are as good as anything that Meath have ever produced.
The two players who I had most difficulty omitting were Padraic Joyce and Ollie Murphy.
Other players who I considered (in no particular order):
Goalkeeper: John O'Leary.
Defence: Marc O'Se, Keiren McKeever, Philip Jordan, Tomas O'Se, Conor Gormely, Paddy Christie, Cathal Daly, Mark O'Reilly.
Midfielders: Ciaran Whelan, Anthony Tohill, Sean Cavanagh, Paddy Keenan, Niall Buckley, Michael Donnellan.
Forwards: Padraic Joyce, Ollie Murphy, Tommy Dowd, Stephen O'Neill, Brian McGuigan, James McCartan, Mickey Linden, Declan O'Sullivan, Ja Fallon, Stephen McDonnell, Ger Cavlan.
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on July 23, 2011, 11:51:52 PM
Quote from: saffronandblue on July 23, 2011, 09:49:31 PM
Find it hard to believe that James Nallen is not even been considered for these teams. If he was from Kerry he would have a s**t load of all Irelands and an even greater number of all stars to his name. Mcgeeney was good and Curran might have looked flashy but James Nallen stood tall in many a Mayo team that collapsed all around him.
I gave him serious consideration but went for Moynihan. Nallen was a class act too though and there were a lot of fine centre-half backs in the period under questions. Moynihan was, in my opinion, the best defender of the modern era. You could play Nallen on the wing I guess.
Nallen a Mayo great with 2 all-stars to back it up.
Would you pick him CHB ahead of McGeeney or Glen Ryan or Moynihan? Each of them at their very best they were exceptional and could dominate games. Over a career they were all superb. Jeysus I couldn't even decide who to pick in that one position never mind the other 14.
Trying to be objective (removing my Mayo hat) I'd say of the 4, the Pony was the best footballer, McGeeney the best leader and most driven, Nallen the best athlete, but I'd pick Glen Ryan.
Quote from: johnpower on July 23, 2011, 11:56:15 PM
Quote from: Sea The Stars on July 23, 2011, 12:22:25 PM
1991 - 2011, I will say this:
1) Stephen Cluxton - Dublin
2) Seamus Moynihan - Kerry
3) Darren Fay - Meath
4) Sean Marty Lockhart - Derry
5) Paul Curran - Dublin
6) Keiran McGeeney - Armagh
7) Sean Og De Paor - Galway
8) John McDermott - Meath
9) Dara O'Se - Kerry
10) Trevor Giles - Meath
11) Ciaran McDonald - Mayo
12) Graham Geraghty - Meath
13) Colm Cooper - Kerry
14) Peter Canavan - Tyrone
15) Maurice Fitzgerald - Kerry
Four Meath players vs one Tyrone dosen't reflect Tyrone's dominance in the latter half of the 1991-2011 period.
Same with Kerry with only O'Se and Cooper from their noughties teams in the final line-up.
Still, the four Meath players were exceptional and are as good as anything that Meath have ever produced.
The two players who I had most difficulty omitting were Padraic Joyce and Ollie Murphy.
Other players who I considered (in no particular order):
Goalkeeper: John O'Leary.
Defence: Marc O'Se, Keiren McKeever, Philip Jordan, Tomas O'Se, Conor Gormely, Paddy Christie, Cathal Daly, Mark O'Reilly.
Midfielders: Ciaran Whelan, Anthony Tohill, Sean Cavanagh, Paddy Keenan, Niall Buckley, Michael Donnellan.
Forwards: Padraic Joyce, Ollie Murphy, Tommy Dowd, Stephen O'Neill, Brian McGuigan, James McCartan, Mickey Linden, Declan O'Sullivan, Ja Fallon, Stephen McDonnell, Ger Cavlan.
Not a bad team I would have Brian McGuigan at 11 and Kevin Walsh in midfield . Depends on what the criteria you want to use for the Kerry lads I judge club football performance . I think Cluxton is has made too many mistake (2003 sent off 2007 gave the ball to kerry) and go for John o Leary . Antony Lynch in my view is a better no 4 than Sean Marty .
I will name the best I have seen (no Kerry lads so no bias )
John O leary
Nialll Cahalane Darren Fay Antony Lynch
Philip Jordan Kieran McGeeny Sean Og De Paor
Kevin Walsh John McDermott
Padraic Joyce Brian McGuigan Trevor Giles
Mickey Lindon Peter Canavan Stephen McDonnell
Quote from: muppet on July 24, 2011, 12:00:50 AM
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Quote from: saffronandblue on July 23, 2011, 09:49:31 PM
Find it hard to believe that James Nallen is not even been considered for these teams. If he was from Kerry he would have a s**t load of all Irelands and an even greater number of all stars to his name. Mcgeeney was good and Curran might have looked flashy but James Nallen stood tall in many a Mayo team that collapsed all around him.
I gave him serious consideration but went for Moynihan. Nallen was a class act too though and there were a lot of fine centre-half backs in the period under questions. Moynihan was, in my opinion, the best defender of the modern era. You could play Nallen on the wing I guess.
Nallen a Mayo great with 2 all-stars to back it up.
Would you pick him CHB ahead of McGeeney or Glen Ryan or Moynihan? Each of them at their very best they were exceptional and could dominate games. Over a career they were all superb. Jeysus I could even decide who to pick in that one position.
Trying to be objective (removing my Mayo hat) I'd say of the 4, the Pony was the best footballer, McGeeney the best leader and most driven, Nallen the best athlete, but I'd pick Glen Ryan.
A close call Ryan V McGeeny I would still have McGeeny just about but reserve the right to change my mind
Quote from: muppet on July 24, 2011, 12:00:50 AM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on July 23, 2011, 11:51:52 PM
Quote from: saffronandblue on July 23, 2011, 09:49:31 PM
Find it hard to believe that James Nallen is not even been considered for these teams. If he was from Kerry he would have a s**t load of all Irelands and an even greater number of all stars to his name. Mcgeeney was good and Curran might have looked flashy but James Nallen stood tall in many a Mayo team that collapsed all around him.
I gave him serious consideration but went for Moynihan. Nallen was a class act too though and there were a lot of fine centre-half backs in the period under questions. Moynihan was, in my opinion, the best defender of the modern era. You could play Nallen on the wing I guess.
Nallen a Mayo great with 2 all-stars to back it up.
Would you pick him CHB ahead of McGeeney or Glen Ryan or Moynihan? Each of them at their very best they were exceptional and could dominate games. Over a career they were all superb. Jeysus I couldn't even decide who to pick in that one position never mind the other 14.
Trying to be objective (removing my Mayo hat) I'd say of the 4, the Pony was the best footballer, McGeeney the best leader and most driven, Nallen the best athlete, but I'd pick Glen Ryan.
Centre-half back in the hardest to pick because it and full-back are the two specialised positions out the field whereas any other contenders have at least a couple of positions they can be placed in. Fay gets full-back easily and then I had McGeeney, Nallen and Moynihan for chb but I forget Glen Ryan, Jesus! I would have all four ahead of any of the wing-backs for what it is worth but not at wing-back, if that makes sense!
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Love these debates. Picking a team of the last 20 years is fraught with peril but no one is going to get a team everyone agrees on.
I'd go for the following:
Stephen Cluxton
Martin O'Connell Darren Fay Marc O Se
Tomas O Se Seamus Moynihan Philip Jordan
Darragh O Se Anthony Tohill
Declan O'Sullivan Padraig Joyce Graham Geraghty
Colm Cooper Peter Canavan Maurice Fitzgerald
No Tyrone hat on but I think you cannot leave Sean Cavanagh out, maybe at Geraghty's expense?
Don't be silly.
Geraghty was a brilliantly athletic half back. As a forward, in direct competition with Cavanagh, I'd rather have Sean on my team.
I thought we sorted this out.
He's asking for a box Hardy.
Quote from: ONeill on July 24, 2011, 09:43:04 AM
Geraghty was a brilliantly athletic half back. As a forward, in direct competition with Cavanagh, I'd rather have Sean on my team.
I'd have Geraghty as either a forward or a back ahead of Cavanagh.
I'd have Cavanagh as midfielder.
1- Cluxton
2- O Malley
3- Gerry Hargan
4- Scullion
5- Curran
6- Moynihan
7- O Connell
8- Tohill
9- Daragh O Se
10- Sean Cavanagh
11- Maurice Fitz
12- James Mc Cartan
13- Bernard Flynn
14- Stephen O Neill
15- Gooch
Geraghty didnt spend long enough in one position in my view. Great player though.
Hargan might surprise people at 3 but he cleaned out most full forwards he ever marked
Honourable mentions to Ciaran Whelan, Glen Ryan, Kevin O Brien, Corkery, Dec O Sullivan, Tomas O Se, james nallen etc.
Might be better if people were banned from picking from their own county, like the Eurovision, only without Jedward.
1991-2011
S.Cluxton
T.Scullion D.Fay M'OConnell
S.Moynihan K.McGeeney T O'Se
Dara O'Se A.Tohill
O.McConville P.Joyce P.Canavan
C.Cooper M.Fitzgerald M.Lineden
Subs- O'Leary, A.Lynch, SM Lockhart, P.Jordan, G.Ryan, J.McDermott, S.Cavanagh, G.Geraghty, C.Corkery
Quote from: muppet on July 24, 2011, 11:29:28 AM
Quote from: ONeill on July 24, 2011, 09:43:04 AM
Geraghty was a brilliantly athletic half back. As a forward, in direct competition with Cavanagh, I'd rather have Sean on my team.
I'd have Geraghty as either a forward or a back ahead of Cavanagh.
I'd have Cavanagh as midfielder.
Sean rarely plays midfield.
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Quote from: muppet on July 24, 2011, 11:29:28 AM
Quote from: ONeill on July 24, 2011, 09:43:04 AM
Geraghty was a brilliantly athletic half back. As a forward, in direct competition with Cavanagh, I'd rather have Sean on my team.
I'd have Geraghty as either a forward or a back ahead of Cavanagh.
I'd have Cavanagh as midfielder.
Sean rarely plays midfield.
How often did Geraghty play midfield?
Quote from: INDIANA on July 24, 2011, 11:45:19 AM
1- Cluxton
2- O Malley
3- Gerry Hargan
4- Scullion
5- Curran
6- Moynihan
7- O Connell
8- Tohill
9- Daragh O Se
10- Sean Cavanagh
11- Maurice Fitz
12- James Mc Cartan
13- Bernard Flynn
14- Stephen O Neill
15- Gooch
Geraghty didnt spend long enough in one position in my view. Great player though.
Hargan might surprise people at 3 but he cleaned out most full forwards he ever marked
Honourable mentions to Ciaran Whelan, Glen Ryan, Kevin O Brien, Corkery, Dec O Sullivan, Tomas O Se, james nallen etc.
Canavan doesn't even get an honourable mention?
For 1991 - 2011 I'd go for the following as they all were outstanding over a long period of time:
O'Leary
Gormley Fay O'Connell
T O'Se McGeeney Moynihan
Tohill Walsh
Fitzgerald Joyce Giles
Linden Canavan Cooper
Were`s McConville?? :o :o :o
Ulsters all time top scorer and has won every title that a senior player can win. And people are thinking about the likes of Sean Cavanagh and Ger Calvan before him. Yous boys must be mad in the head
I agree with you, he was on the team I picked- though he was the last name I put down. Given all the other forwards picked by other posters I am now wondering if I overrated him a bit.
Quote from: Sea The Stars on July 23, 2011, 12:27:55 PM
I should probably explain the inclusion of Keenan in such esteemed company.
An exceptional midfielder and has been the best in Ireland in the last 3/4 years.
And I'm from Meath !! He is without player one player who's career will probably never get the credit it deserves.
And the block he pulled off in the Leinster final last year in the last minute is never remembered (better then Gormley in 2003) due to the worst refereeing decision in Gaa history.
Quote from: muppet on July 24, 2011, 11:49:10 AM
Might be better if people were banned from picking from their own county, like the Eurovision, only without Jedward.
Exactly. Waste of time otherwise as its already descending into fellas complaining about the exclusion of men from their own counties. There's only 15 places up for grabs for christ's sake.
1. Ziggysego
2. Barney
3. Hardy
4. Muppet
5. O'Neill
6. Lynchbhoy
7. Dinny Breen 8)
8 Tony Fearon
9. Bud Wiser
10 AZ Offaly
11.Orior
12. Jinxy
13. Hardstation
14. Seanie Magpie
15. Minder
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 25, 2011, 01:18:57 AM
1. Ziggysego
2. Barney
3. Hardy
4. Muppet
5. O'Neill
6. Lynchbhoy
7. Dinny Breen 8)
8 Tony Fearon
9. Bud Wiser
10 AZ Offaly
11.Orior
12. Jinxy
13. Hardstation
14. Seanie Magpie
15. Minder
that team is void in my opinion as i didnt get in it
Any purported team of the last 25 years without Greg Blaney on it is deficient.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 25, 2011, 01:18:57 AM
1. Ziggysego
2. Barney
3. Hardy
4. Muppet
5. O'Neill
6. Lynchbhoy
7. Dinny Breen 8)
8 Tony Fearon
9. Bud Wiser
10 AZ Offaly
11.Orior
12. Jinxy
13. Hardstation
14. Seanie Magpie
15. Minder
You couldn't have Minder and Seanie in beside each other.
Hie where are the Munster representatives. Mikey Sheehy has to be on that team. Has there been a better man to take the game to the opposition when needed. And Zula will have to be in there to look after the GPA and any strike action.
Eamon O Hara, remember him?
Someone will have to look after the rota for the Sun bed I suppose . If he can carry a bottle of water too he is in.