Hopefully we'll be able to keep this thread going without an Armagh Down bitchfest taking over.
I see from today's IN that Jamie Clarke, Aaron and Tony Kernan, Paul McKeown, David McKenna and Aaron Cunningham have been drafted in. It'll be interesting to see which of them get a start. My starting team would be along the lines of
Hearty
A Mallon Donaghy P McKeown
K Dyas McKeever P Duffy
Charlie Toner
AK Nippy D McKenna
J Clarke Stevie G McParland
What about the Galway lads? I'm sure pushing Cork all the way in the last game will be a confidence booster. Any missing players going to make it for this game?
Hard to believe that Tony Kernan is on the panel ahead of Stephen. Going by the Ulster all ireland club series stephen looked by far the classier player and performed in what is a problem position for the county.
Okay Mackers I promise not to say anything bitchy on this thread.
How come you have left out BJP? Do you not rate him? I would have thought Paddy O'Rourke will play A. Kernan at half back and BJP at Half forward
Also you dropped Gurgan. I've been impressed with him in the two games against Down. Don't you think the more he plays the better for his development?
Club football is nothing more than an indicator of county potential. There are a whole new set of attributes needed for county football.
Good of you to keep us abreast of your obsession with our panel though.
Quote from: DuffleKing on March 29, 2011, 01:51:42 PM
Club football is nothing more than an indicator of county potential. There are a whole new set of attributes needed for county football.
Good of you to keep us abreast of your obsession with our panel though.
It's a good job the likes of u r on this forum to keep us abreast on what makes a county footballer ???
Quote from: whitegoodman on March 29, 2011, 01:12:26 PM
Hard to believe that Tony Kernan is on the panel ahead of Stephen. Going by the Ulster all ireland club series stephen looked by far the classier player and performed in what is a problem position for the county.
I reckon SK had a run in with Donal Murtagh somewhere along the way, there's no other explanation for it, other than POR & DM are blind to the obvious.
The Cross boys coming back has the potential to a lot of things, positive and negative. Mackers possible line out makes me wince tbh. David McKenna coming in could cause a headache, another natural MF'er who could be accomodated somewhere unbalancing us further. We could quite possibly string 5 MF'ers across the MF & HF line Lavery, Toner, Mackin, McKenna & Vernon, hope not but it wouldn't suprise me. Finnian Mo has done nothing to deserve the chop, neither has Dyas, but both could be under pressure from McKeown and AK.
The team i would like to see line out
Hearty
Mallon, Donaghy, f Mo
Dyas, McKeever, Duffy
Vernon & Toner
Nippy, Brian Mallon, Mackin
Jamie, Stevie, AK (roving)
Christ knows what will start thou, hard to see BJP getting dropped. David McKenna deserves a run out, but theres something about that fella that makes me think he's either not interested/doesn't believe in himself, plus I doubt he'd be consistent enough for inter-county MF. Hopefully F Hanratty and Cunningham are there to gather experience as I cant see them having any impact this year.
I hope we dont revert to a two man full forward line. How about this
Hearty
Mallon, Donaghy, Finn Mo
Dyas, McKeever, Duffy
Vernon & Toner
Nippy, AK, Mackin
Jamie, Stevie, Brian Mallon
I'd like to see McKenna given a try and considering our paucity of options in the full back line and Brendy Donaghy's less than stellar form at full-back (admittedly the only match he got badly roasted was against the best full forward in Ireland), it might be worth trying something like ;
Hearty
Mallon Toner Donaghy
Kernan McKeever Duffy
Vernon McKenna
Dyas Padden Mackin
J Clarke Swift McDonnell
I read today Galway manager Tomas O'Flaharta has now lost 12 consecutive NFL Division One games in succession, seven with Westmeath in 2009 & five with Galway.
Quick one for the Armachians - coming from Belfast, what turn off on the M1 would you take for the Athletic Grounds?
Quote from: ONeill on March 29, 2011, 11:29:37 PM
Quick one for the Armachians - coming from Belfast, what turn off on the M1 would you take for the Athletic Grounds?
The one for Craigavon / Portadown, just after the Craigavon / Luragn one and there's a sign for Armagh as well.
Reasonably well signposted. When you come off the M12 follow the curve of the road to Portadown then straight road past train station bypassing town. You'll come to a roundabout, turn right and its a straight road to Armagh.
Quote from: Orior on March 29, 2011, 10:17:16 PM
I hope we dont revert to a two man full forward line. How about this
Hearty
Mallon, Donaghy, Finn Mo
Dyas, McKeever, Duffy
Vernon & Toner
Nippy, AK, Mackin
Jamie, Stevie, Brian Mallon
For long spells v Kerry we had a 1 man full forward line. If there is no ball coming in Stevie will be out looking for it.
Would swap Ak with Duffy above. Duffy has more speed and is more direct , Aaron is better coming onto a ball and picking out a pass.
To beat Down in May we are going to need to have a half forward line contributing about 4 points.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on March 29, 2011, 11:43:02 PM
Quote from: ONeill on March 29, 2011, 11:29:37 PM
Quick one for the Armachians - coming from Belfast, what turn off on the M1 would you take for the Athletic Grounds?
The one for Craigavon / Portadown, just after the Craigavon / Luragn one and there's a sign for Armagh as well.
Reasonably well signposted. When you come off the M12 follow the curve of the road to Portadown then straight road past train station bypassing town. You'll come to a roundabout, turn right and its a straight road to Armagh.
Thanks. Don't think I've been there since Armagh bate us in the very early 90s. I remember Jim McConville playing.
sortaedit: was there 2 years ago when Omagh turned over St Mary's Belfast.
Quote from: ONeill on March 29, 2011, 11:51:51 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on March 29, 2011, 11:43:02 PM
Quote from: ONeill on March 29, 2011, 11:29:37 PM
Quick one for the Armachians - coming from Belfast, what turn off on the M1 would you take for the Athletic Grounds?
The one for Craigavon / Portadown, just after the Craigavon / Luragn one and there's a sign for Armagh as well.
Reasonably well signposted. When you come off the M12 follow the curve of the road to Portadown then straight road past train station bypassing town. You'll come to a roundabout, turn right and its a straight road to Armagh.
Thanks. Don't think I've been there since Armagh bate us in the very early 90s. I remember Jim McConville playing.
sortaedit: was there 2 years ago when Omagh turned over St Mary's Belfast.
Exit 11 if you pay attention to the numbers
Padraic Joyce and Gareth Bradshaw are meant to be back on the panel for this game.
TacadoirArdMhacha
Hearty
Mallon Toner Donaghy
Kernan McKeever Duffy
Vernon McKenna
Dyas Padden Mackin
J Clarke Swift McDonnell
On the highlighted areas, Toner was tried at FB, and got rosted, during the McKenna cup. Donaghy may have had a few poor games, but look @ the men he was marking. Onto McKenna, from watching Cross, he has very rarely lorded MF in games, and from men inside the team, he's a very lazy player. The HF line, people have been crying out for scores in this area, yet you have placed Dyas ( a HB), BJP ( HB/sweeper) and Mackin (MF) in the one line, where do you see us getting scores from there? Tony Kernan deserves a run in that team, was one of Cross's most consistent players throughout the c'ship
Quote from: our_fella on March 30, 2011, 03:48:02 AM
TacadoirArdMhacha
Hearty
Mallon Toner Donaghy
Kernan McKeever Duffy
Vernon McKenna
Dyas Padden Mackin
J Clarke Swift McDonnell
On the highlighted areas, Toner was tried at FB, and got rosted, during the McKenna cup. Donaghy may have had a few poor games, but look @ the men he was marking. Onto McKenna, from watching Cross, he has very rarely lorded MF in games, and from men inside the team, he's a very lazy player. The HF line, people have been crying out for scores in this area, yet you have placed Dyas ( a HB), BJP ( HB/sweeper) and Mackin (MF) in the one line, where do you see us getting scores from there? Tony Kernan deserves a run in that team, was one of Cross's most consistent players throughout the c'ship
Marty Clarke, Danny Hughes & Benny Coulter
Quote from: our_fella on March 30, 2011, 03:48:02 AM
TacadoirArdMhacha
Hearty
Mallon Toner Donaghy
Kernan McKeever Duffy
Vernon McKenna
Dyas Padden Mackin
J Clarke Swift McDonnell
On the highlighted areas, Toner was tried at FB, and got rosted, during the McKenna cup. Donaghy may have had a few poor games, but look @ the men he was marking. Onto McKenna, from watching Cross, he has very rarely lorded MF in games, and from men inside the team, he's a very lazy player. The HF line, people have been crying out for scores in this area, yet you have placed Dyas ( a HB), BJP ( HB/sweeper) and Mackin (MF) in the one line, where do you see us getting scores from there? Tony Kernan deserves a run in that team, was one of Cross's most consistent players throughout the c'ship
Hmmm. While i don't necessarily agree with tac's team, i don't see the logic in some of your reasoning our fella.
Dismissing Toner as a full back because he was poor in the one game we tried him there in three years does not mean he cannot cut it at number 3. There is an argument to be made for toner at full back but to make it a success he would need a McKenna cup and League campaign there to readjust.
While i would play dyas at wing back, it is folly to dismiss him as an option at wing forward. Did he not play there for his club last year and if memory serves he scored three points in the county final with ak marking him. This talk of "scoring forwards" in the half forward line is very misguided. the h forward line must contribute on the score board but it also has responsibilities beyond scoring. no good having three sharp shooters hanging around there who can't get their hands on the ball. tony kernan falls into that category in my view. he's a good finisher, no doubt, but struggles with tight (physical) marking and even club games pass him by.
That said i, like i think everyone else, feel that the balance in the h forward line is all wrong. While they have done ok, i don't see the function of bjp and Mackin. they are a sweeper and midfielder respectively, leaving one attack orientated h forward. if they want to play a sweeper, fine, but use someone that can bring a bit of creativity to the role. Do we need a third midfielder? my view would be no, but given this years performances we need someone in there who can win us some breat ball.
But tac - he's a down man!
Quote from: bennydorano on March 29, 2011, 07:36:00 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on March 29, 2011, 01:12:26 PM
Hard to believe that Tony Kernan is on the panel ahead of Stephen. Going by the Ulster all ireland club series stephen looked by far the classier player and performed in what is a problem position for the county.
I reckon SK had a run in with Donal Murtagh somewhere along the way, there's no other explanation for it, other than POR & DM are blind to the obvious.
The Cross boys coming back has the potential to a lot of things, positive and negative. Mackers possible line out makes me wince tbh. David McKenna coming in could cause a headache, another natural MF'er who could be accomodated somewhere unbalancing us further. We could quite possibly string 5 MF'ers across the MF & HF line Lavery, Toner, Mackin, McKenna & Vernon, hope not but it wouldn't suprise me. Finnian Mo has done nothing to deserve the chop, neither has Dyas, but both could be under pressure from McKeown and AK.
The team i would like to see line out
Hearty
Mallon, Donaghy, f Mo
Dyas, McKeever, Duffy
Vernon & Toner
Nippy, Brian Mallon, Mackin
Jamie, Stevie, AK (roving)
Christ knows what will start thou, hard to see BJP getting dropped. David McKenna deserves a run out, but theres something about that fella that makes me think he's either not interested/doesn't believe in himself, plus I doubt he'd be consistent enough for inter-county MF. Hopefully F Hanratty and Cunningham are there to gather experience as I cant see them having any impact this year.
I agree with you on all the highlighted bits. I wouldn't start to mess with our MF which has been one of our highlights of the league campaign to date, however, we have obvious problems in our HF line and I see him as a POTENTIAL solution to our problem. For a guy of 6 ft 3 or 4 he can move very quickly and can take a score., Up to this point he hasn't shown well for the county so it's time for him to sh1te or get off the pot. We have to have a good look at him to now if he is going to feature come the 28th of May. We know what Malachy mackin can do, the same can be said for Finn Mo. Neither man has let us down in the last few matches but we have to use what's left in the league to look at our options so I'd throw McKenna and McKeown in there. I don't think that putting these guys in lessens the chances of us winning what is two vital league points.
Quote from: PAULD123 on March 29, 2011, 01:51:04 PM
Okay Mackers I promise not to say anything bitchy on this thread.
How come you have left out BJP? Do you not rate him? I would have thought Paddy O'Rourke will play A. Kernan at half back and BJP at Half forward
Also you dropped Gurgan. I've been impressed with him in the two games against Down. Don't you think the more he plays the better for his development?
Again, we now know what BJP brings to the party and to be honest he doesn't bring a whole lot of scores from the HF line which is the main weakness in our team, I want to look at other options available to us now.
Rory Grugan will be best used as a sub for the rest of the year. He lacks the physicality required for senior inter county football but his vision and scoring ability could be used when there is that bit more space in the second half.
Quote from: whitegoodman on March 29, 2011, 01:12:26 PM
Hard to believe that Tony Kernan is on the panel ahead of Stephen. Going by the Ulster all ireland club series stephen looked by far the classier player and performed in what is a problem position for the county.
Both should have been there, there is more scores in tony but Stephen is good at winning primary possesion and good with break ball to, although he can be wasteful. But Donal Murtagh always seemed to have with him even at Cross where he was in and out and rarely got a starting number.
A bit of good news finally.
QuoteUnder-fire Galway manager Tomas O Flatharta has been boosted by the news that Michael Meehan should be fit for the county's Connacht SFC campaign.
An ankle injury has prevented Meehan from pulling on a Galway jersey since the Connacht championship defeat to Sligo nine months ago.
With the Caltra star no nearer a return to action in recent weeks, when he was effectively ruled out of the county's entire Allianz National League programme, there had been speculation that he would also miss his side's 2011 championship campaign.
But O Flatharta has revealed that his joint-captain has received good news from the medics this week.
Quoted in the Irish Examiner, he said, "It didn't look good for Michael a week ago but, thankfully, after meeting with the surgeon he got good news.
"The surgeon removed some scar tissue that was inhibiting his mobility, so after nine or ten days rest he should be ready to resume his rehab. The Galway manager said there has no chance of Meehan playing in the remainder of the league.
"We cannot put him under too much pressure to come back though. He is a very important player for us and he will need the right time to complete his rehab."
Quote from: Applesisapples on March 30, 2011, 12:20:27 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on March 29, 2011, 01:12:26 PM
Hard to believe that Tony Kernan is on the panel ahead of Stephen. Going by the Ulster all ireland club series stephen looked by far the classier player and performed in what is a problem position for the county.
Both should have been there, there is more scores in tony but Stephen is good at winning primary possesion and good with break ball to, although he can be wasteful. But Donal Murtagh always seemed to have with him even at Cross where he was in and out and rarely got a starting number.
Your just picked stephen's two biggest weaknesses. A ball winner he is not. But when he gets the ball he can certainly play and create. His problem in previous incarnations has been getting enough ball in his hands to be effective.
Quote from: DuffleKing on March 30, 2011, 01:13:16 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on March 30, 2011, 12:20:27 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on March 29, 2011, 01:12:26 PM
Hard to believe that Tony Kernan is on the panel ahead of Stephen. Going by the Ulster all ireland club series stephen looked by far the classier player and performed in what is a problem position for the county.
Both should have been there, there is more scores in tony but Stephen is good at winning primary possesion and good with break ball to, although he can be wasteful. But Donal Murtagh always seemed to have with him even at Cross where he was in and out and rarely got a starting number.
Your just picked stephen's two biggest weaknesses. A ball winner he is not. But when he gets the ball he can certainly play and create. His problem in previous incarnations has been getting enough ball in his hands to be effective.
You obviously didn't watch Cross' Championship games SK won loads of possession but sometimes the passes were misplaced or wrong options taken. Still should be there. IMO
SK is a fine fielder of a ball, dunno about winning dirty ball thou.
Mackers. I agree that BJP is not brining points to Armagh but he appeared to me to be putting in a good work rate. What about your other games, would you agree? The reason I am interested is because obviously there was a lot of interest when he transferred I thought you already had better players. After seeing him for a few games now is that what you feel?
As far as Grugan goes, I can only say that on the two occasions I saw him I was impressed. What about playing him in the corner where it is a little less physical? If he was a Down man I think I would be wanting him to play as much as possible. He looked fast, eager and skillful to me.
Quote from: our_fella on March 30, 2011, 03:48:02 AM
TacadoirArdMhacha
Hearty
Mallon Toner Donaghy
Kernan McKeever Duffy
Vernon McKenna
Dyas Padden Mackin
J Clarke Swift McDonnell
On the highlighted areas, Toner was tried at FB, and got rosted, during the McKenna cup. Donaghy may have had a few poor games, but look @ the men he was marking. Onto McKenna, from watching Cross, he has very rarely lorded MF in games, and from men inside the team, he's a very lazy player. The HF line, people have been crying out for scores in this area, yet you have placed Dyas ( a HB), BJP ( HB/sweeper) and Mackin (MF) in the one line, where do you see us getting scores from there? Tony Kernan deserves a run in that team, was one of Cross's most consistent players throughout the c'ship
I don't agree with the team selcetion above at all. As stated Toner has been outstanding in midfield this year, him and vernon have been all that has been good this year for Armagh. Also Moriarity has done nothing wrong to warrant exclusion, any man that keeps the gooch to 2 points from play has been doing his job. For the Galway Match I would go with the following
Hearty
Mallon Donaghy Moriarity
Kernan McKeever Dyas
Vernon
McKennaSwift S Kernan, Padden Duffy
J Clarke McDonnell
I know I know going back to the dreaded 2 man full forward line. I would have kernan (Who can run at pace with the ball) picking up up breaking ball from the kick-ouut contests, with padded performing defensive and similar duties when presented, Duffy is too lose for my liking as a defender, has show he can take a score and is worth a nod to see what he can provide as an attacker.
Quote from: BerfArmagh on March 31, 2011, 11:59:14 AM
Quote from: our_fella on March 30, 2011, 03:48:02 AM
TacadoirArdMhacha
Hearty
Mallon Toner Donaghy
Kernan McKeever Duffy
Vernon McKenna
Dyas Padden Mackin
J Clarke Swift McDonnell
On the highlighted areas, Toner was tried at FB, and got rosted, during the McKenna cup. Donaghy may have had a few poor games, but look @ the men he was marking. Onto McKenna, from watching Cross, he has very rarely lorded MF in games, and from men inside the team, he's a very lazy player. The HF line, people have been crying out for scores in this area, yet you have placed Dyas ( a HB), BJP ( HB/sweeper) and Mackin (MF) in the one line, where do you see us getting scores from there? Tony Kernan deserves a run in that team, was one of Cross's most consistent players throughout the c'ship
I don't agree with the team selcetion above at all. As stated Toner has been outstanding in midfield this year, him and vernon have been all that has been good this year for Armagh. Also Moriarity has done nothing wrong to warrant exclusion, any man that keeps the gooch to 2 points from play has been doing his job. For the Galway Match I would go with the following
Hearty
Mallon Donaghy Moriarity
Kernan McKeever Dyas
Vernon McKenna
Swift S Kernan, Padden Duffy
J Clarke McDonnell
I know I know going back to the dreaded 2 man full forward line. I would have kernan (Who can run at pace with the ball) picking up up breaking ball from the kick-ouut contests, with padded performing defensive and similar duties when presented, Duffy is too lose for my liking as a defender, has show he can take a score and is worth a nod to see what he can provide as an attacker.
Berf I agree with you about the majority of the team but the unfortunate thing is that Stephen Kernan is not on the panel! Also after saying that the MF is the one constant of the League so far and eulogising how well Toner has bee playing there you go and change it! I presume you forgot to move Toner there instead of McKenna. I would more or less go with the same team with Swift into no 11, and TK in the no 10 position. I feel that Mallon offers more than BJP but it really is toss up between them as neither have been outstanding. I wouldn't be surprised to see Franny Hanratty get a start.
Quote from: PAULD123 on March 31, 2011, 11:31:27 AM
Mackers. I agree that BJP is not brining points to Armagh but he appeared to me to be putting in a good work rate. What about your other games, would you agree? The reason I am interested is because obviously there was a lot of interest when he transferred I thought you already had better players. After seeing him for a few games now is that what you feel?
As far as Grugan goes, I can only say that on the two occasions I saw him I was impressed. What about playing him in the corner where it is a little less physical? If he was a Down man I think I would be wanting him to play as much as possible. He looked fast, eager and skillful to me.
BJP is a workhorse who has done OK since he has come in but has brought nothing to the team that we didn't already have. Grugan, on the other hand, is going to be a massive player for us in years to come, but I'd worry that his confidence may suffer if he continues to be outmuscled and not get on the ball like he has done in recent games. It was always going to be a gamble starting him this year and I'm not sure it has paid off. I'd use him as a sub and let him bulk up a little (don't want him to overcook that side of things either just able to take the hits a bit better) and he'll be a clinker in the next few years.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on March 31, 2011, 12:34:06 PM
I wouldn't be surprised to see Franny Hanratty get a start.
I'd be very surprised BC, he was hauled ashore early doors in Croker and rightly so, same happened in Navan (didn't it?). He seems to have gone back over the last twelve months or so. I'd still give McKenna a go at WHF.
He is still a natural whf who on his day can score, and this is something armagh are lacking. Form may not be what it was but he is as good an option as o rourke, grugan or murtagh.
I don't disagree that the midfield has been decent this year though I'd argue that Onet has pretty much been steady while its the development of Charlie Vernon into something approaching the player he seemed destined to be which has really improved us in this sector.
But McKenna is a decent option who deserves a chance to show what he can do. What is the point of having him on the panel if you aren't going to play him? Surely its better to give him a run against Galway than asking him to make his first impact in a match away to the All Ireland champions.
I'd to to have a look at Toner at full back for the simple reason that our options in that line appear so thin that he could well get forced into the position in an emergency during the Summer.
Who is this Onet you speak of!!! ;)
I think this is a win at all costs for the future of this panel, so I wouldn't be experimenting too much. Win this game, avoid the drop and then kick on, id much rather go into the summer knowing we will be pitting ourselves against the top level next year again rather than a dogfight in Div 2.
Berf I agree with you about the majority of the team but the unfortunate thing is that Stephen Kernan is not on the panel! Also after saying that the MF is the one constant of the League so far and eulogising how well Toner has bee playing there you go and change it! I presume you forgot to move Toner there instead of McKenna. I would more or less go with the same team with Swift into no 11, and TK in the no 10 position. I feel that Mallon offers more than BJP but it really is toss up between them as neither have been outstanding. I wouldn't be surprised to see Franny Hanratty get a start.
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Aye I mean't to have Toner in MF. I would'nt be a big fan of Mc Kenna, v good club player but would'nt have the mobility or pace for inter county. TO be honest I have been very disappointed with Hanratty all year, seemed to be taken off in almost all his club matches this year...
I hate to say it and it would'nt make sense, especially considering you need to plan for the future, but oisin mc conville could still do as good a 35 mins as any forward we currently have. He was retired far too early in my opinion
Quote from: BerfArmagh on March 31, 2011, 05:04:35 PM
Berf I agree with you about the majority of the team but the unfortunate thing is that Stephen Kernan is not on the panel! Also after saying that the MF is the one constant of the League so far and eulogising how well Toner has bee playing there you go and change it! I presume you forgot to move Toner there instead of McKenna. I would more or less go with the same team with Swift into no 11, and TK in the no 10 position. I feel that Mallon offers more than BJP but it really is toss up between them as neither have been outstanding. I wouldn't be surprised to see Franny Hanratty get a start.
Aye I mean't to have Toner in MF. I would'nt be a big fan of Mc Kenna, v good club player but would'nt have the mobility or pace for inter county. TO be honest I have been very disappointed with Hanratty all year, seemed to be taken off in almost all his club matches this year...
I hate to say it and it would'nt make sense, especially considering you need to plan for the future, but oisin mc conville could still do as good a 35 mins as any forward we currently have. He was retired far too early in my opinion
I reckon he easily has both. Would have bigger concern about his work rate and perhaps concentration. Gives glimpses of what he can do, but rarely dominates the way those glimpses suggest that he could.
ARMAGH TEAM TO PLAY GALWAY
1. Philip McEvoy
2. Andy Mallon
3. Brendan Donaghy
4. Finnian Moriarty
5. Kevin Dyas
6. Ciaran McKeever
7. Paul Duffy
8. Kieran Toner
9. Malachy Mackin
10. Charlie Vernon
11. Colm Watters
12. Gareth Swift
13. Jamie Clarke
14. Steven McDonnell
15. John Murtagh
Substitutes
16. Paul Hearty
17. Micheal O'Rourke
18. Brian Mallon
19. Billy Joe Padden
20. James Lavery
21. Gavin McParland
22. Anto Duffy
23. Aaron Kernan
24. Rory Grugan
25. Francis Hanratty
26. Declan McKenna
I have no idea.
Quote from: AFS on March 31, 2011, 10:03:47 PM
ARMAGH TEAM TO PLAY GALWAY
1. Philip McEvoy
2. Andy Mallon
3. Brendan Donaghy
4. Finnian Moriarty
5. Kevin Dyas
6. Ciaran McKeever
7. Paul Duffy
8. Kieran Toner
9. Malachy Mackin
10. Charlie Vernon
11. Colm Watters
12. Gareth Swift
13. Jamie Clarke
14. Steven McDonnell
15. John Murtagh
Substitutes
16. Paul Hearty
17. Micheal O’Rourke
18. Brian Mallon
19. Billy Joe Padden
20. James Lavery
21. Gavin McParland
22. Anto Duffy
23. Aaron Kernan
24. Rory Grugan
25. Francis Hanratty
26. Declan McKenna
I have no idea.
You're not on your own.
Why swap Vernon & Mackin?
Why wait until the Cross players are back to try Colm Watters at CHF?
Why is David McKenna not even on the panel?
Thought that AK would struggle to come back into the HB line, but are there 15 better players in Armagh?
More questions than answers for me...........not the place to be at this time of the year.
Several WTFs but management know best!
Anyone any idea why Conor Clarke isn't listed on the panel of players for sunday?
Quote from: mackers on March 31, 2011, 10:26:04 PM
You're not on your own.
Why swap Vernon & Mackin?
Why wait until the Cross players are back to try Colm Watters at CHF?
Why is David McKenna not even on the panel?
Thought that AK would struggle to come back into the HB line, but are there 15 better players in Armagh?
More questions than answers for me...........not the place to be at this time of the year.
Wouldn't be too concerned about the Vernon/ Mackin situation, reckon it's only a paper change. We've been playing with three midfielders for a while now, with Vernon of three often drifting out towards the wing.
Those other questions are valid enough, and really illustrate just how unsettled things are, especially in the front six, only two games out from the Championship.
The most interesting thing is the ditching of the sweeper once again. Open to correction here, but I can't see any of those forwards dropping back to fulfil that role. Though, I wouldn't be surprised to see something mad like Vernon ending up back there.
Can't see this team starting, why try murtagh now when he has been on the panel all season same with watters,whilst I hate to say this POR and DM are setting themselves up for a lot of criticism if Armagh beaten and this team starts.
What is the point of bringing the cross boys on when mc keown,kernan, mckenna and cunningham are not on the subs bench,how are we going to get a system, the team should have been gearing towards may but we are further away than ever, my pick
Hearty
Mallon donaghy morisrity/mckeown
Dyas mc keever Duffy
Toner Vernon
T kernan swift mc kenna (coming in as a third midfielder)
Clarke mc donnell A kernanas (the spare man in defence)
Naka, your team is the side I'd love to have seen play.
Quote from: naka on March 31, 2011, 10:41:50 PM
Can't see this team starting, why try murtagh now when he has been on the panel all season same with watters,whilst I hate to say this POR and DM are setting themselves up for a lot of criticism if Armagh beaten and this team starts.
What is the point of bringing the cross boys on when mc keown,kernan, mckenna and cunningham are not on the subs bench,how are we going to get a system, the team should have been gearing towards may but we are further away than ever, my pick
Hearty
Mallon donaghy morisrity/mckeown
Dyas mc keever Duffy
Toner Vernon
T kernan swift mc kenna (coming in as a third midfielder)
Clarke mc donnell A kernanas (the spare man in defence)
Agree with team only would try dyas at 11 ak at 5 and nippy 15, hate this shite about extra man in defence. Why not at least try all the cross men this match then what u think is ur best team against cork. It really baffles me the decisions that our management team make.
Hmmm. This team has complacency written all over it - looks like Galway are considered poor enough to give a couple of panellists a run.
Very dangerous approach.
I am not one to criticise management or players on a forum like this but what the hell are they playing at? If Watters is to be tried, and I have not seen enough of him to know if he is good enough or not, why wait until now? And, if Johnny Murtagh is one of the best 6 forwards in Armagh I am going to get my boots! I honestly believe that POR has brought an improvement to the team over the last year and a half but he risks losing all support if Armagh lose on Sunday. I hope I am wrong and Murtagh has a great game though!
Harsh a critic though i may be of POR, I don't think you have any need to concern yourself lads. You are not going to lose on Sunday. I don't think you realise how poor Galway are. They probably played one of their best games against us and still got torn apart. Their only strength is moving quick ball through their HF line to running forwards. They will not be able to do that against your half backs who will have no problem tackling.
As for the changes to the forward line I am suprised too. Can only repeat your comments - Why wait till now to look at Murtagh & Watters? I assume the move of Vernon is, as another poster said, just paper and effectively he will play centre pitch pushing forward. You have been concerned about lack of points from HF line, Vernon would at least help correct that, so it may not be as silly a move as some have suggested.
Actually this is probably a very good experimental side from O'Rourke. It is most likely to answer the question - What if our real championship team gets injuries, who can we put in? I actually think it is a useful team for assessing the squad, I am pretty sure even POR doesn't think this is your BEST team.
But like I said you will not lose to Galway, he could field the entire Crossmaglen team and you'd still beat Galway
This has to be a wind up, AK on the bench....Watters? Mackin? Murtagh? Maybe he is just giving them a run but with Down two competitive matches away?
Hopefully an april fool and proper team announced tonight!!
Quote from: Stevie Nicks on April 01, 2011, 09:32:31 AM
Hopefully an april fool and proper team announced tonight!!
Took the words right out of my mouth!
Quote from: PAULD123 on April 01, 2011, 08:41:23 AM
Harsh a critic though i may be of POR, I don't think you have any need to concern yourself lads. You are not going to lose on Sunday. I don't think you realise how poor Galway are. They probably played one of their best games against us and still got torn apart. Their only strength is moving quick ball through their HF line to running forwards. They will not be able to do that against your half backs who will have no problem tackling.
As for the changes to the forward line I am suprised too. Can only repeat your comments - Why wait till now to look at Murtagh & Watters? I assume the move of Vernon is, as another poster said, just paper and effectively he will play centre pitch pushing forward. You have been concerned about lack of points from HF line, Vernon would at least help correct that, so it may not be as silly a move as some have suggested.
Actually this is probably a very good experimental side from O'Rourke. It is most likely to answer the question - What if our real championship team gets injuries, who can we put in? I actually think it is a useful team for assessing the squad, I am pretty sure even POR doesn't think this is your BEST team.
But like I said you will not lose to Galway, he could field the entire Crossmaglen team and you'd still beat Galway
Could you spare us your constant amateur hour analysis of Armagh football please.
It's embarrassing how poorly informed you are and even more embarrassing how hard you try to appear informed.
Quote from: naka on March 31, 2011, 10:41:50 PM
Can't see this team starting, why try murtagh now when he has been on the panel all season same with watters,whilst I hate to say this POR and DM are setting themselves up for a lot of criticism if Armagh beaten and this team starts.
What is the point of bringing the cross boys on when mc keown,kernan, mckenna and cunningham are not on the subs bench,how are we going to get a system, the team should have been gearing towards may but we are further away than ever, my pick
Hearty
Mallon donaghy morisrity/mckeown
Dyas mc keever Duffy
Toner Vernon
T kernan swift mc kenna (coming in as a third midfielder)
Clarke mc donnell A kernanas (the spare man in defence)
looking at this side again from the point of view of watching a lot of club games, my rationale behind ak as a spare man in defence is that i genuinely believe he his the best ball carrier we have, also when watching the cross games he seems to be the guy giving the talks in the huddle therefore has leadership qualities, coupled with his passin ability and overall game intelligence i think he could be a marty clarke type player, getting the ball from deeep and spraying the passes into the forward line , with regard to Mc Kenna I am lukewarm on him but we have to see can he cut the mustard, if I recall he played 2 mins against wexford and that is about all in a serious county game over these past few years, we need to see if he can step up and with one game against Cork to go what chances does he have( same for mc keown,T kernan, cunningham and hanratty because friendlys coming up to the championship are not a true indicator),
I genuinely think that with two serious games in the league left that POR if he plays his team has left himself open to a serious amount of criticism and deservedly so in my eyes , Down aren`t experimenting, Tyrone aren`t ,why are we ?
Quote from: Aghdavoyle on April 01, 2011, 10:06:21 AM
Quote from: PAULD123 on April 01, 2011, 08:41:23 AM
Harsh a critic though i may be of POR, I don't think you have any need to concern yourself lads...
Could you spare us your constant amateur hour analysis of Armagh football please.
It's embarrassing how poorly informed you are and even more embarrassing how hard you try to appear informed.
How else do you learn if you don't ask questions and join in discussions? I am interested in all county teams not just my own and only by asking people who know more than me I will learn. I don't think I tried to seem informed at all. I simply agreed with other people that it seems a strange team selection. Are you implying the people I agreed with are badly informed? Exactly what did I state as appearing informed? - That I think Vernon would improve your point scoring ability in your half forward line!! Well, if I am so badly informed then, are you saying I am wrong. Vernon won't help score points from HF? I doubt many would disagree with me.
So come on then, by all means criticise my comments, it is an open forum but at least be adult enough to explain exactly what I said incorrect in my comment and not just childishly castigate me with no explanation. If you have anything other than general nastiness to say then by all means say it. I promised Mackers not to start bitchy comments on this thread and I didn't start one. I honestly just have joined in a discussion on football and the county team. Your comment has no merit except to be bitchy and personal. If you have anything constructive to say then I will happily listen and learn, but there is no excuse for personal rudeness
Quote from: naka on April 01, 2011, 11:19:50 AM
Quote from: naka on March 31, 2011, 10:41:50 PM
... I genuinely think that with two serious games in the league left that POR if he plays his team has left himself open to a serious amount of criticism and deservedly so in my eyes , Down aren`t experimenting, Tyrone aren`t ,why are we ?
Naka, don't you think that with Armagh virtually safe in the league that this is the right time for a bit of experimenting? Tyrone aren't doing it much, that's true but then they are still in a real fight to get promoted. But Down are and have been. Maginn has been played in a new role, the management have experimented with a couple of different styles for the troublesome midfield area (although while starting the same No.8 & No.9 on the pitch), Laverty, McPolin and McCartan all started games in this league when other more established players were available. Admittedly it's more tweaks than big changes but wee James has certainly opted to play one or two players in every game that we would not expect to see start in the championship.
I think it has made us a stronger squad but possibly our best 15 have probably not played together this season. Do you think it would be better for Armagh to simply play the strongest team every game? I think both approaches have their merits.
Quote from: PAULD123 on April 01, 2011, 12:09:36 PM
Quote from: naka on April 01, 2011, 11:19:50 AM
Quote from: naka on March 31, 2011, 10:41:50 PM
... I genuinely think that with two serious games in the league left that POR if he plays his team has left himself open to a serious amount of criticism and deservedly so in my eyes , Down aren`t experimenting, Tyrone aren`t ,why are we ?
wee James has certainly opted to play one or two players in every game that we would not expect to see start in the championship.
I think it has made us a stronger squad but possibly our best 15 have probably not played together this season. Do you think it would be better for Armagh to simply play the strongest team every game? I think both approaches have their merits.
too late in the day for this, watters/murtagh have been there since January yet this is the first time they start, we all know what Mal Mackin brings to the party ffs he played in newry against Down in 2006 , if we are to be experimenting try the Cross lads ( mckeown , cunningham,hanratty and mc kenna have never had a chance)not guys who could have played in any of the preceding 5 games, I have followed Armagh for over 30 years and I still can`t fathom what POR is doing with this team, at least with Joe we knew what out tactics were like them or not, same with mc donnell and with the two Brians but we are chopping and changing every week.
just a point has watters had any game time this year and if it is minimal waht makes POR think he can play such a pivotal role in the team now.
I actually thought this team selection was an April Fools joke, what the hell is POR doing. Looking from the outside it looks like there is absolutely no direction or consistency to either team selection, a choice of formation or a methodology or common approach in our play.
Also the current managements ability to see how a game is unfolding and making necessary tactical changes or substitutions is very concerning
There seems to be this idea that the 2 Clarkes will come back and we'll be amazing. Jamie will definitely improve our scoring options. But if we continue with the appalling quality of ball into our forwards which has been evident all year, then he ain'nt gonna do much.
Ronan Clarke even if he got back from injury next week, will hardly be match fit come the down game
Lets call a few spades here...
Malachy Mackin is not good enough to be an inter county mid fielder (I do think though he can offer something as an impact player or as a grafter in the HF line)
Murtagh & Watters will be no where near the starting 15 come the Down game, we've seen them. SO why are they starting such an important game
lets see what some of the cross lads can contribute.
Considering we are a month and a half away from the down match, should'nt O Rourke know what his best 15 players are and where he is going to play them
I'm getting more concerned by the day with the current setup
I have a feeling that with nothing other than pride to play for Galway will have been targeting this game as one they can win.
With that in mind I cannot understand the reasoning behind this selection from Nos 8-15. I am assuming Mackin will switch with Vernon but that aside it leaves the other two selections of Murtagh and Watters.
I don't think Watters has touched the ball more than a handful of times from the cameos I have seen him make so far this year, so to throw him in at no 11 is slightly baffling.
Murtagh is capable of grabbing a score, from being launched on as a sub, not sure how he'll get on from the start. I would have instead thought Brian Mallon for all his faults to have kept his place in the FF line, him and Clarke could have linked up well.
Hope the team wins and proves us all wrong, though like others I'm becoming increasingly concerned.
Quote from: AFS on March 31, 2011, 10:38:18 PM
Quote from: mackers on March 31, 2011, 10:26:04 PM
You're not on your own.
Why swap Vernon & Mackin?
Why wait until the Cross players are back to try Colm Watters at CHF?
Why is David McKenna not even on the panel?
Thought that AK would struggle to come back into the HB line, but are there 15 better players in Armagh?
More questions than answers for me...........not the place to be at this time of the year.
Wouldn't be too concerned about the Vernon/ Mackin situation, reckon it's only a paper change. We've been playing with three midfielders for a while now, with Vernon of three often drifting out towards the wing.
Those other questions are valid enough, and really illustrate just how unsettled things are, especially in the front six, only two games out from the Championship.
The most interesting thing is the ditching of the sweeper once again. Open to correction here, but I can't see any of those forwards dropping back to fulfil that role. Though, I wouldn't be surprised to see something mad like Vernon ending up back there.
It'll be interesting to see what way that pans out alright. One alternative may be to use Toner as the defensive screen and have Swift and Mackin give Vernon a pull out in MF. Toner, however, has fetched a lot of ball for us in the midfield to date and I would disagree with this move.
The management have heaped a lot of pressure onto Colm Watters as his inclusion ahead of a few other notables is the main talking point. I really hope he proves himself on Sunday but, as others have said, if POR believes in his ability why leave him to now?
Vernon and Toner along with Dyas and the continuing maturing of McKeevers performances have been the highlights of Armaghs league performances to date so it is hard to believe they will not start there v Down.
Although tactics or lack of them has been a problem we could all pick at least 12 of the 15 that will start v Down (assuming R Clarke will not be fit to start). The diifficult child that is the HF line is still the problem so better trying out a few players now than against Down in May.
I would imagine James McCartan and Mickey Harte do not know their starting 15 for the Championship.
I genuinely feel we have the nucleus of a decent team and all around the right age. If we could sort out the HF line we would not be too far away. The worry would be the line and it's impact during games.
After a good start, Armagh totally lost their way when Galway scored a penalty. Armagh 0-07 Galway 1-09 HT.
Is there a strong breeze at the match? Big difference on these games
any links to the game?
Cross field wind in Athletic grounds, favouring Armagh in first half if anything!
Had to be Armagh that would lose to Galway ::). Seems every time Galway attack they get a score!
If Monaghan beat Mayo next Sunday at Inniskeen and Armagh lose to Cork at Páirc Uí Chaoimh then Armagh get relegated. This is very, very possible. Only a 3 point scoring difference separates Armagh and Monaghan
From RTE: The situation in Div 1 of the football. Monaghan are relegated. Last relegation will be between Armagh & Galway. Can anyone explain this? Is it head to head?
Do we know that relegation is based on score difference?
If Armagh are beat by Cork and Monaghan win. Armagh are relegated based on pts difference. As it stands Galway are relegated more than likely. So basically we need to beat Cork next Sunday.
Quote from: PatDaly on April 03, 2011, 04:22:34 PM
From RTE: The situation in Div 1 of the football. Monaghan are relegated. Last relegation will be between Armagh & Galway. Can anyone explain this? Is it head to head?
If Galway beat Dublin and Armagh lose, Armagh will be relegated. I think.
Ya, strange one this. I think it might be head to head. In which case Monaghan are nearly gone and Galway could stay up despite their points difference by winning their last game (Dubs have nothing to play for).
But what if Galway and Monaghan both win and Armagh lose? Then they are all on four points, Monaghan will have beaten Galway, Galway will have beaten Armagh and Armagh will have beaten Monaghan. What the hell happens then - does points difference kick back in? Could Monaghan yet stay up?
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on April 03, 2011, 04:36:55 PM
Quote from: PatDaly on April 03, 2011, 04:22:34 PM
From RTE: The situation in Div 1 of the football. Monaghan are relegated. Last relegation will be between Armagh & Galway. Can anyone explain this? Is it head to head?
If Galway beat Dublin and Armagh lose, Armagh will be relegated. I think.
Monaghan are not relegated. If they win and turn round a 10 points scoring difference on us, and Galway don't beat Dublin by 10 more points than Monaghan beat Mayo by, then Monaghan would stay up.
If Monaghan don't win and Galway do, then Armagh are down unless they draw with or beat Cork.
If Galway don't win, then Monaghan are down and Armagh survive no matter what Monaghan or Armagh do.
A draw or win in Cork and Armagh surivive while Monaghan and Galway are relegated (hugely unlikely).
As for the match itself, utterly brutal. Conceding 1-20 says it all. The most galling thing is that it was all so predictable.
Armagh deserve to be relegated after that. 1-20 is a ridiculous score to concede. What was the penalty for, couldn't see but it looked stupid enough to concede?
Shocking! Thats what that was. Every decision from team selection to substitutions to the game plan POR gets totally wrong! Complete joke that hes in charge. Conceeding 1 -20. We ended up with 4 midfielders on the pitch just standing in a line. I don't know what goes through their heads. Some very poor performances from some of the players Mcevoy, Finn mo, Toner, Vernon, Watters, Murtagh. How did aron kernan not start same with hearty? So many things i could list. Totally depressed that we have to endure this management team!!!
Shite goalkeeping, shite marking, shite tackling, shite break ball winning, shite handling, shite passing, shite shooting, shite team selection, shite organisation, shite attitude.
Another shite day, in a shite league campaign. A shite summer beckons.
Quote from: fitzroyalty on April 03, 2011, 04:57:54 PM
Armagh deserve to be relegated after that. 1-20 is a ridiculous score to concede. What was the penalty for, couldn't see but it looked stupid enough to concede?
Definite penalty. McEvoy dropped the ball in his own penalty area. Dreaful mistake. The Galway forward was about to kick it into an empty net so they hauled him down.
Quote from: tevez on April 03, 2011, 04:59:08 PM
Shocking! Thats what that was. Every decision from team selection to substitutions to the game plan POR gets totally wrong! Complete joke that hes in charge. Conceeding 1 -20. We ended up with 4 midfielders on the pitch just standing in a line. I don't know what goes through their heads. Some very poor performances from some of the players Mcevoy, Finn mo, Toner, Vernon, Watters, Murtagh. How did aron kernan not start same with hearty? So many things i could list. Totally depressed that we have to endure this management team!!!
agreed county board have to see about amount of people leaving with a few mins to go
POR and mc gurn out of their depth sorry please go
The scoring difference between Armagh and Monaghan is only 4 points! Armagh -10, Monaghan -14 (and Galway are -23).
http://www.hoganstand.com/general/tables/FootballTables.aspx
If Galway beat Dublin in Pearse Stadium (The Dubs will likely play an experimental side) and Monaghan beat Mayo at home in Inniskeen and Armagh get beat by Cork at Páirc Uí Chaoimh then Armagh, Galway and Monaghan will all finish on 4 points. I think in this scenario it would come down to scoring difference. Its therefore likely that Armagh and Galway would be relegated!
Monaghan only need to win by 1 point against Mayo assuming Cork beat Armagh by more than 3 points.
Utterly shambolic, Galway were decent but not great Armagh were as poor as I've ever seen an Armagh team. Completely clueless and devoid of any game plan. That said had they taken any of the four good goal chances they had the could very easily have won the game.
On an almost related point I was asked at the match what if any relation is John Murtagh to Donal Murtagh?
http://www.hoganstand.com/armagh/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=140277
John is Donal's nephew
Quote from: David McKeown on April 03, 2011, 05:03:42 PM
Utterly shambolic, Galway were decent but not great Armagh were as poor as I've ever seen an Armagh team. Completely clueless and devoid of any game plan. That said had they taken any of the four good goal chances they had the could very easily have won the game.
On an almost related point I was asked at the match what if any relation is John Murtagh to Donal Murtagh?
john is donals nephew. dont even know what to say. Brutal today!!
There should be a barrage of phonecalls, txts letters sent to the Irish News calling for POR Resignation!!
Quote from: PatDaly on April 03, 2011, 05:02:37 PM
The scoring difference between Armagh and Monaghan is only 4 points! Armagh -10, Monaghan -14 (and Galway are -23).
http://www.hoganstand.com/general/tables/FootballTables.aspx
If Galway beat Dublin in Pearse Stadium (The Dubs will likely play an experimental side) and Monaghan beat Mayo at home in Inniskeen and Armagh get beat by Cork at Páirc Uí Chaoimh then Armagh, Galway and Monaghan will all finish on 4 points. I think in this scenario it would come down to scoring difference. Its therefore likely that Armagh and Galway would be relegated!
Monaghan only need to win by 1 point against Mayo assuming Cork beat Armagh by more than 3 points.
And if Galway win and Monaghan don't we're gone as well.
Basically a Galway victory against Dublin will, in all likelihood relegate us barring an unforeseeable Armagh draw or victory away to Cork. If Galway don't beat Dublin then we are safe no matter what.
Its worth pointing out that the only positive was the performance of Jamie Clarke. Between himself and Stevie they could probably have won the match on their own had they been presented with anything approaching a decent supply of possession.
Relegation is based on head to head if points are equal. BAsically if armagh lose to cork and galway beat dublin then armagh go down with monaghan who cannot stay up due to armagh beating them.
Very disappointed with armaghs performance this afternoon. GAlways halfbacks of o'donnell and sice absolutely murdered us. Sice cleaned out nippy, duffy and vernon. Vernon was particularly poor especially at tracking back.
O'Donnell and clarke showed glimpses of class but we kicked an awful lot of wides. take into context that they were missing meehan and armstrong - armagh are in diffs come down in championship. Heart alone wont win that one!!
who in the right mind would waste their hard earned wages to go to cork next weekend after that tripe today. shocking, absolutely shocking...
Jaysus, what a turnaround for Galway. Nothing like the return of a few decent players.
And Ormaugh ? What now? Down 1 match away and all..
Quote from: Triggerhappy on April 03, 2011, 05:22:00 PM
Relegation is based on head to head if points are equal. BAsically if armagh lose to cork and galway beat dublin then armagh go down with monaghan who cannot stay up due to armagh beating them.
Very disappointed with armaghs performance this afternoon. GAlways halfbacks of o'donnell and sice absolutely murdered us. Sice cleaned out nippy, duffy and vernon. Vernon was particularly poor especially at tracking back.
O'Donnell and clarke showed glimpses of class but we kicked an awful lot of wides. take into context that they were missing meehan and armstrong - armagh are in diffs come down in championship. Heart alone wont win that one!!
Monaghan can stay up and indeed I'd nearly expect them to.
On RTE radio on way home, Des Cahill insisted that Monaghan are already relegated!!
Quote from: PatDaly on April 03, 2011, 05:07:39 PM
http://www.hoganstand.com/armagh/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=140277
John is Donal's nephew
How did Johnny Murtagh do on his first league start???
Quote from: bigfrank on April 03, 2011, 05:31:43 PM
Quote from: PatDaly on April 03, 2011, 05:07:39 PM
http://www.hoganstand.com/armagh/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=140277
John is Donal's nephew
How did Johnny Murtagh do on his first league start???
4 attempts for points, 3 wide and one against the crossbar. Hauled off at half-time. At least he got into the game though which is actually more than can be said for other forwards who were utterly anonymous.
Quote from: Triggerhappy on April 03, 2011, 05:30:34 PM
On RTE radio on way home, Des Cahill insisted that Monaghan are already relegated!!
Des is wrong, a 4 + point defeat for Armagh, coupled with a Galway victory of less than 10 points would mean that Monaghan only have to win to survive. If Monaghan were to win by 3 or 4 points then only an Armagh draw or victory or a huge Galway win would deny them survival.
Quote from: seafoid on April 03, 2011, 05:24:45 PM
Jaysus, what a turnaround for Galway. Nothing like the return of a few decent players.
And Ormaugh ? What now? Down 1 match away and all..
Where's that?
Didn't get to the match today but tbh the result shouldn't be too much of a shock. I wouldn't put good money on Armagh this year against any opposition. Clueless on the line and a badly organised team.
i neve wanted to join the posse callin for o'rourke's head but after today i'm inclined to think he maybe hasnt a notion what he's at.
after 15 mins it was clear how galway half backs were in the ascendency, the number 7 in particular, was it Sice ? but after about another dozen attacks from him and 4 markers, (nippy, vernon, duffy and lavery) he killed us everytime and his attacks always resulted in something for galway.
so as that one situation was clearly not handled in the proper way that tells me paddy o'rourke now has to take a certain amount of responsibilty. who was the right man to mark sice, it certainly wasnt one the 4 names above.
this one thing apart, both sides would have been pretty even.
clarke is something special, worth the admission alone.
as an aside did we finish up playing 3-3-4-2-2 awful management,
thought moriarity was given a lesson by joyce on half a leg--still classy at his age is it 34( why was mallon not switched onto him)
down will hammer that team if we play similiar tactics, and what`s even worse is thst down supporters are laughing at us at the moment
Huge win for Galway today what happens if Armagh,Galway finish level on points? head to head??
Quote from: Take Your Points on April 03, 2011, 06:25:23 PM
Colm says don't blame Paddy (http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/colm-orourke/colm-orourke-new-culture-of-blame-spells-disaster-for-fermanagh-2607453.html). Check out the reference to the you lot!
QuoteThe list of grievances goes on and on and very often those who make these comments don't know the first thing about football. They are exaggerated by anonymous contributions on comment boards which have brought a sinister and often bitter aspect to the GAA.
who do you blame then ?
the 4 men put on galways main threat today are associated with the word attack - not defence. now unless o'rourkes eyesight is failing and he cant spot something wrong on a football field that a 12 year old can see then i'm going to start being concerned.
i'm not going down the road of blaming players on this event today, it lies solely with paddy i'm afraid
Quote from: David McKeown on April 03, 2011, 05:03:42 PM
Utterly shambolic, Galway were decent but not great Armagh were as poor as I've ever seen an Armagh team. Completely clueless and devoid of any game plan. That said had they taken any of the four good goal chances they had the could very easily have won the game.
On an almost related point I was asked at the match what if any relation is John Murtagh to Donal Murtagh?
Galway were decent. I didn't think I would hear that this year.
Quote from: Armamike on April 03, 2011, 05:39:05 PM
Quote from: seafoid on April 03, 2011, 05:24:45 PM
Jaysus, what a turnaround for Galway. Nothing like the return of a few decent players.
And Ormaugh ? What now? Down 1 match away and all..
Where's that?
Patsy from Forkhill. It must have been before your time.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/northern_ireland/1437397.stm
Quote from: Abble on April 03, 2011, 06:29:09 PM
who do you blame then ?
the 4 men put on galways main threat today are associated with the word attack - not defence. now unless o'rourkes eyesight is failing and he cant spot something wrong on a football field that a 12 year old can see then i'm going to start being concerned.
i'm not going down the road of blaming players on this event today, it lies solely with paddy i'm afraid
Sorry Abble, but I must take issue here. Our players made basic, basic errors throughout that match, that cost scores at each end of the pitch - those mistakes brought Galway back into a game that they looked out of as early as ten minutes in, and those same mistakes prevented us from bridging the gap between Galway and ourselves in the second half.
Unforced errors (thank you Dan Maskell) on the pitch have cost us big time in this league campaign and yet we still bang on about the manager!! ???
Armagh folk blame Paddy ORourke on everything. He is doing his best and i can see is making mistakes, but he is managing a very average Armagh team. Yous are not the brilliant side that yous had in the last decade anymore, and in no way would that defence have conceeded 1-20 especially at home. The players out their have to take a lot of responsibility too, Armagh in the noughties always defended in numbers with the blanket defence, they are stil doing the same, but the players are just not the same standard.
Quote from: naka on April 03, 2011, 06:13:28 PM
as an aside did we finish up playing 3-3-4-2-2 awful management,
thought moriarity was given a lesson by joyce on half a leg--still classy at his age is it 34( why was mallon not switched onto him)
down will hammer that team if we play similiar tactics, and what`s even worse is thst down supporters are laughing at us at the moment
Naka, I wouldnt say we r laughing at you ( ;D) na seriously I ventured up to the athletic grounds today as I was at a loose end with Down playing last night and I must be honest I sort of feel sorry a bit now for Paddy which I didnt a few months ago... He has such an inept and poor back room team its unreal, those 3 men along the line offer Paddy absolutely nothing. Sean O Hare from Burren, joke ::) !Mc Gurn is the biggest bluffer in the modern game and unfortunately continues to make a brave living out of it.. Donal Murtagh ??? whats actually his role?? Sad for Paddy but as I posted away back he should have replaced Justin Mc Nulty and he didnt!!
Roll on the end of May, I feel Armagh and Paddy will have a short summer.
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on April 03, 2011, 06:48:26 PM
Quote from: Abble on April 03, 2011, 06:29:09 PM
who do you blame then ?
the 4 men put on galways main threat today are associated with the word attack - not defence. now unless o'rourkes eyesight is failing and he cant spot something wrong on a football field that a 12 year old can see then i'm going to start being concerned.
i'm not going down the road of blaming players on this event today, it lies solely with paddy i'm afraid
Sorry Abble, but I must take issue here. Our players made basic, basic errors throughout that match, that cost scores at each end of the pitch - those mistakes brought Galway back into a game that they looked out of as early as ten minutes in, and those same mistakes prevented us from bridging the gap between Galway and ourselves in the second half.
Unforced errors (thank you Dan Maskell) on the pitch have cost us big time in this league campaign and yet we still bang on about the manager!! ???
yeah Rufus, agreed about the simple errors the boys are making, mostly unforced and its frustrating as a spectator watching that but i'm sure it must be even more frustrating for the players as they know they can do much better in that respect.
i just wont blame the players for some tactical issues and none of the boys on sice today can be faulted i think when a better more defensive minded player should have been put on him, and instead of boys trying to chase him, a proper defender should have been stopping him. that is definitely something POR shoiuld have responded to better.
it was a strange game as after 10 mins we were looknig like we were going to win it hands down, maybe a bit of complacency crept in if it wasnt already there before throw-in but to go 4-0 up and then for galway to turn that around to go 8-5 up or whatever was abysmal. so a game can turn pretty quick when no-one can see it coming and POR certainly cant be blamed for that. i don't know, its around these things that happen on the field that a blind man can see are not working but POR doesnt seem to pick up on them and its then that I have to question him. most of what he does is fine but i'm just not confident about him anymore.
i was actually quite happy with todays team selection before throw-in but it didnt work out on the day, he has to try other players, otherwise we dont know what kind of cover there is. the game was lost today before the substitions were made and the fact that the Sice issue was not handled cost us the game in my eye and therefore is why i'm blaming paddy on this occassion.
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on April 03, 2011, 06:48:26 PM
Quote from: Abble on April 03, 2011, 06:29:09 PM
who do you blame then ?
the 4 men put on galways main threat today are associated with the word attack - not defence. now unless o'rourkes eyesight is failing and he cant spot something wrong on a football field that a 12 year old can see then i'm going to start being concerned.
i'm not going down the road of blaming players on this event today, it lies solely with paddy i'm afraid
Sorry Abble, but I must take issue here. Our players made basic, basic errors throughout that match, that cost scores at each end of the pitch - those mistakes brought Galway back into a game that they looked out of as early as ten minutes in, and those same mistakes prevented us from bridging the gap between Galway and ourselves in the second half.
Unforced errors (thank you Dan Maskell) on the pitch have cost us big time in this league campaign and yet we still bang on about the manager!! ???
He is also wrong about a 12 year old seeing the problems. When Galway went 2 up in the first half my 10 year old told me they would lose because the players thought Galway were crap!! :(
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on April 03, 2011, 06:52:38 PM
Armagh folk blame Paddy ORourke on everything. He is doing his best and i can see is making mistakes, but he is managing a very average Armagh team. Yous are not the brilliant side that yous had in the last decade anymore, and in no way would that defence have conceeded 1-20 especially at home. The players out their have to take a lot of responsibility too, Armagh in the noughties always defended in numbers with the blanket defence, they are stil doing the same, but the players are just not the same standard.
Armagh did not play a blanket defence today. They decided to string players along the midfield and let runners run through them. >:(
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on April 03, 2011, 06:48:26 PM
Quote from: Abble on April 03, 2011, 06:29:09 PM
who do you blame then ?
the 4 men put on galways main threat today are associated with the word attack - not defence. now unless o'rourkes eyesight is failing and he cant spot something wrong on a football field that a 12 year old can see then i'm going to start being concerned.
i'm not going down the road of blaming players on this event today, it lies solely with paddy i'm afraid
Sorry Abble, but I must take issue here. Our players made basic, basic errors throughout that match, that cost scores at each end of the pitch - those mistakes brought Galway back into a game that they looked out of as early as ten minutes in, and those same mistakes prevented us from bridging the gap between Galway and ourselves in the second half.
Unforced errors (thank you Dan Maskell) on the pitch have cost us big time in this league campaign and yet we still bang on about the manager!! ???
Surely the prevalence of these simple errors throughout the team, and throughout the whole league campaign, is suggestive of deeper problems. Well drilled, well coached, well disciplined teams do not make this number of errors. When a couple of lads do something stupid you can write it off as one of those things, but when boys throughout the team are consistently doing ridiculous things you need to look for root causes.
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on April 03, 2011, 06:52:38 PM
Armagh folk blame Paddy ORourke on everything.
Incorrect. We blame him for poor team selection and tactical decision-making, both of which are firmly within his mandate.
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on April 03, 2011, 06:52:38 PM
He is doing his best and i can see is making mistakes,
Correct on both counts.
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on April 03, 2011, 06:52:38 PM
but he is managing a very average Armagh team. Yous are not the brilliant side that yous had in the last decade anymore,
Not as good as the 2000-2006 side certainly but still far far better than current performances suggest. Even playing poorly they might remain in division 1. I don't want to re-hash the medal argument again but the majority of counties don't have the players Armagh have. If they wer every average there'd be 15 teams in Ireland better than them. That isn't the case.
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on April 03, 2011, 06:52:38 PM
Armagh in the noughties always defended in numbers with the blanket defence, they are stil doing the same, but the players are just not the same standard.
We weren't defending in numbers at all today. In fact we weren't doing much defending altogether.
Quote from: redandblackareback on April 03, 2011, 07:03:04 PM
Donal Murtagh ??? whats actually his role?? Sad for Paddy but as I posted away back he should have replaced Justin Mc Nulty and he didnt!!
Assistant manager and telling Paddy O'Rourke what its like to manage a team successfully? He doesn't appear to be imparting too much knowledge mind you.
To be fair, as gloomy as things appear tonight I'd still expect there to be very little between Armagh and Down in the championship.
So sack Paddy and then what?? who do you bring in at this stage?
i say let Paddy have this championship season and see how that goes, too much doom and gloom in the first week of April., last time i checked paddy had nothiong to do with scoring goals, points or winning breaking bal around the middle of the park.
He does seem to be naive from a tactical perspective but ffs changing managers at this stage is stupid and I think will have us ready for the only game that matters, the Down game.
Quote from: stew on April 03, 2011, 07:20:00 PM
So sack Paddy and then what?? who do you bring in at this stage?
i say let Paddy have this championship season and see how that goes, too much doom and gloom in the first week of April., last time i checked paddy had nothiong to do with scoring goals, points or winning breaking bal around the middle of the park.
He does seem to be naive from a tactical perspective but ffs changing managers at this stage is stupid and I think will have us ready for the only game that matters, the Down game.
Despite reservations on a number of matters I agree with you. Kildare have struggled for a couple of years in the league but come championship they are a different matter. If Geezer was Armagh manager he would have an easier time. Would like to see someone added to backroom though - no idea who though!
After all our pre match concerns about our forward line they go and score 18 points...............in fairness Colm Watters, Kevin Dyas, and Malachy Mackin along with Clarke and McDonnell all had very good performances.
That, however, is where the good news ends.
McEvoy took the head staggers again and that, I assume, will be the end of his season in the Armagh colours. Andy Mallon was well improved from recent performances. Brendan Donaghy and Finn Mo were badly exposed, Donaghy is having a very poor season by his own standards.
Paul Duffy was very poor again and I wasn't surprised to see him taken off, Nippy also.
I have noticed Galway posters saying previously on the board how poor they feel their midfield is, but IMO that is where this victory came from. They dominated for large parts of the game. Kieran Toner was another Armagh man who played poorly.
Clarke and McDonnell look like if they get any ball they will cut defences to ribbons but they fed off scraps today.
The second quarter of today's game was as poor as I have seen from any Armagh team. Horrendous.
Quote from: mackers on April 03, 2011, 07:27:01 PM
After all our pre match concerns about our forward line they go and score 18 points...............in fairness Colm Watters, Kevin Dyas, and Malachy Mackin along with Clarke and McDonnell all had very good performances.
That, however, is where the good news ends.
McEvoy took the head staggers again and that, I assume, will be the end of his season in the Armagh colours. Andy Mallon was well improved from recent performances. Brendan Donaghy and Finn Mo were badly exposed, Donaghy is having a very poor season by his own standards.
Paul Duffy was very poor again and I wasn't surprised to see him taken off, Nippy also.
I have noticed Galway posters saying previously on the board how poor they feel their midfield is, but IMO that is where this victory came from. They dominated for large parts of the game. Kieran Toner was another Armagh man who played poorly.
Clarke and McDonnell look like if they get any ball they will cut defences to ribbons but they fed off scraps today.
The second quarter of today's game was as poor as I have seen from any Armagh team. Horrendous.
A lot of them look as if their confidence is shot. Never mind tactics this is a basic which needs urgent remedy!
sorry guys por is too naive , he cant adapt to situations, ffs i would take joe back for the down match rather than remain with POR, why take lavery on( should we not be trying mc kenna as a wing half) why not switch finniam mo, why not take ak on earlier, Mor was not the subsitution to be making at half time it was either TK or AK,
I cant understand what donal murtagh brings to the party
have never seen as poor an armagh set up since the morrison/mc corry debacle in the early nineties( but at least then we didnt have the players then) really am annoyed tonite
Quote from: mackers on April 03, 2011, 07:27:01 PM
I have noticed Galway posters saying previously on the board how poor they feel their midfield is, but IMO that is where this victory came from. They dominated for large parts of the game.
It said on RTE radio alright that Galway were on top in midfield for much of the game. I thought I was hearing things. With young Colin Forde doing well at full-back maybe Finian Hanley is going to find his new calling as a midfielder after all. Having PJ back as well probably made a big difference.
Tony McEntee...
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on April 03, 2011, 08:05:36 PM
Quote from: mackers on April 03, 2011, 07:27:01 PM
I have noticed Galway posters saying previously on the board how poor they feel their midfield is, but IMO that is where this victory came from. They dominated for large parts of the game.
It said on RTE radio alright that Galway were on top in midfield for much of the game. I thought I was hearing things. With young Colin Forde doing well at full-back maybe Finian Hanley is going to find his new calling as a midfielder after all. Having PJ back as well probably made a big difference.
Saw him play yesterday was well impressed he'll certainly sort out any problems Galway had at FB.
I'd like to think I've given POR a fair crack of the whip thus far, but I'd lay the blame for this one square at his door, firstly he must be listening too much to DM, how else can you explain the presence of johnny Murtagh anywhere next or near that panel never mind team? The line out of the team in itself sent out the wrong message, as in we're safe and we'll try a few things - 2 games from the Championship and he decides to experiment wtih 2 fellas who'd be lucky to be carrying water in late May - absolutely abysmal mangement.
On the game itself I thought getting wiped out in MF was the main reason for our defeat and believe it or not the abandoment of the sweeper system (sad but true - we really cant have it every way). I actually think it's the first time I've seen Toner be really outplayed in MF, Bergin cleaned him, Mal Mackin got through a Trojan amount of work for about 45 minutes and then disappeared, Charlie just didn't get involved, very poor show.
I think Mackers said he thought Watters did rightly, I would have to disagree very strongly, for such an important position he was anonymus, very poor, I couldn't believe it when they took Nippy of ahead of him. Jamie and Stevie were fantastic, with 4 or 5 men trying to cover them would it not have made more sense to give them a bit of support?
Defensively it was poor, but i thought a lot of it came from being over run in MF and not playing a Sweeper, but Donaghy's run of form should be a concern, Andy Mallon had a fine game, thought Duffy was very good in the first half and I'd imagine he wasn't impressed being shunted into the HF line - AK did zip when he came on, nothing. Dyas i would say played like a lot of others not interested. McKeever wsa solid as usual. I'd have to save the most vitriol for Fin Mo, I've always been a big fan and he's in every team i would pick, but I've never seen him worse, and not because Joyce cleaned him, but because he fumbled more balls, give it away and generally looked clueless, he played like a minor making his debut, terrible.
Get o'rourke out before we're embarrassed even more
McEntee in - good call pearseog
A blind man could see what need fixing during the game today - it's staggering that the management couldn't
Did Joyce start the game? He wasn't listed in the team on the Galway GAA website. Very pleased with the win.The way we have been performing up front I'm amazed we kicked 1-20.I only caught the last few mins on the radio and think Bane got 1-4,Conroy 0-4 and PJ 0-5.
Conceding 0-18 is a worry but we'll happily take the win.
Any Galway lads on here at the game that could give us a view on how our own lads fared?
Was at the u-21 final yesterday so it was a positive weekend all round for Galway football.
The 6 backs for the u-21s were outstanding - I believe Forde and Duane also started for the seniors today.Tomas Fahy looked like he could definitely be a contender for a wing back spot also after a man of the match display yesterday.
Quote from: galwayman on April 03, 2011, 09:03:09 PM
Did Joyce start the game? He wasn't listed in the team on the Galway GAA website.
He did and played very well.
Quote from: bennydorano on April 03, 2011, 08:55:41 PM
Charlie just didn't get involved, very poor show.
I think Mackers said he thought Watters did rightly, I would have to disagree very strongly, for such an important position he was anonymus, very poor, I couldn't believe it when they took Nippy of ahead of him.
In fairness to Charlie he was settling into the midfield role he clearly prefers this year but POR shifted him out to the wing today.......baffling decision.
I thought that Watters played well in the second half, he linked the play fairly well and sprayed a good number of passes in to Clarke and Stevie.
Quote from: stew on April 03, 2011, 07:20:00 PM
So sack Paddy and then what?? who do you bring in at this stage?
He does seem to be naive from a tactical perspective but ffs changing managers at this stage is stupid and I think will have us ready for the only game that matters, the Down game.
When I first heard POR got the job I thought it was a joke. He has had 2 years and there is no sign of progress, however he is going to be there for the Championship this year at least. I doubt Tony McEntee would take the job.
Listening to the game on Radio Ulster it seemed Galway scored every time they went forward. There have been signs of gaps opening up in defence when teams run at us in previous games but it seemed to have been atrocious today.On the playing side
1) Does Finn Moriarty play corner back for his club? He has previously played as wing back for Armagh.
2) When Vernon/Toner seemed to be forming a decent pairing in midfield why was this broken up today?
3) Has Swift been given a free ride because of how well he played v Dublin?
4) Why was Hearty not playing today?
I fear for us v Cork. Our only hope is that Galway don't beat Dublin.In reality we are not a Div 1 team but it would be a shame to throw it away when we were in such a good position.
interesting thing today was that every supporter i spoke to had the same issues with the baffling tactics or lack of them from the sideline, I have never heard so may people annoyed at the present set-up, surely the county board must be aware of this, no one likes to criticise the manager but he exclaims to all after the kerry game that we will be ok when the cross guys come back and then starts one against Galway
the closer we get to May the more worried i become,
dubs, kerry, down, galway all were worthy winners against us, monaghan should have beaten us,
its a dismal year which i hope cant get any worse
Good luck againts Cork. Hope you win. I'm sure that the players will want to prove themselves. It was a bad result for you today but I think you will have a chance against Cork. If you can avoid giving them easy frees for Goulding to put over then you will seriously have a chance. Good luck.
Quote from: Orangemac on April 03, 2011, 09:55:20 PM
1) Does Finn Moriarty play corner back for his club? He has previously played as wing back for Armagh.
Nope, have a feeling he plays mid for the tones. He was corner back at u21, but based on last years league is far far better suited to wing back. Like many other Armagh players it seems his confidence is critically low...
Quote from: galwayman on April 03, 2011, 09:03:09 PM
Did Joyce start the game?
Laoch na hImeartha.
Go furast inniu.
How many times have we seen it over the years, Armagh teams collapse in games which they are expected to win, but win games they are expected to get stuffed in. What price a victory in Cork? Believe ::)
Lump on cork - the handicap
With Mother's Day I missed yesterday's match, I almost risked the wrath of God and thought about going. Boy am I glad I saved the brownie points. I can't make up my mind where the problem lies in terms of the management team but as the Boss Paddy must accept responsibility for the failings of all including his players. I have been willing to give him the benefit of the doubt until now. Even though his selection to start was questionable, I did think with Jamie and Stevie we had enough scores to win. However to concede 1.20, well??? Says it all. It would be a miracle if that set up beats Down. But under Paddy they have been nothing if not consistent at being inconsistent. A new manager next year I think.
As a poor a second half as I have ever seen from an Armagh team, and before anyone thinks it was the opposition, Galway are no great shakes either.
Most worrying point was that with 10 mins to go, a lot of the lads heads went down. They simply gave up, which it is a long time since I have even heard of an Armagh team doing. Defence was appalling yesterday, conceding 1-20 at home to the bottom team in our division. Finian Mo (in particular) & Donaghy had poor days at the office. Donaghys performances all year are of concern, he looks out on his feet to me, he has played far too much football. Dyas tried hard, as did mc keever. Duffy I am afraid to say is a complete defensive liability, great going forward and will get you a few scores, but he is completely indisciplined and his man has done untold damage in a number of league games this year. Lastly can we not get out in front of our men, when did this shadow defending take precedence, win the ball rather than trying to dispossess once you let a forward gain possession!
Vernon was wasted in the HF line. I don't know what game some of the contributors were at, but Watters contributed absolutely nothing. It took him to be carried off to be replaced, what is going on on the sideline? Murtagh should be no where near the county squad, never mind starting. Swifts confidence has steadily been going, due to being messed about. Stevie and Jamie were great yesterday, we scored 18 points and lost, so that would tell you we had big problems in defence. MF our strongest sector all year was wiped out, why was it changed?
We lost the game in the first 10 mins, we had 2 fantastic goal chances and fluffed them, we also fluffed another 2 in the second half, encouraging thing is we had those chances, worrying thing is they were due to individual skill rather than any set move or team movement. The forwards unit is all over the place.
Must say, i felt sorry for young mc evoy, a poor mistake, v harsh considering his heroics throughout the league to replace him at HT like that, although hearty was excellent in his kick outs when he came on...
I am really starting to scratch my head, Armagh can go from the sublime to absolute comedy in seconds... Mal Mackin actually played v well, as did young o rourke when he came on
If it ain't broke don't fix it...Vernon has been great at midfield all year.
Is it just me or does anyone ever wonder about this one...theres a lad on the cross team, he's had a few injuries this past year or two but he came on a sub in the club semi-final game, was it aherne ? i think his style of play is great, he seems like he has a good footballing brain. He's not a big lad by any means but he's solid and reliable, fearless, runs from midfield - Half forward and distributes great ball very rarely losing possession from what i've ever seen of him, he offers us something different to what is there currently.
at the minute we have 4 or 5 men over 6 ft in or around the midfield - HF lines and its just not going to cut it i think, we need more mobility and attacking gameplan
Quote from: Abble on April 04, 2011, 12:42:40 PM
Is it just me or does anyone ever wonder about this one...theres a lad on the cross team, he's had a few injuries this past year or two but he came on a sub in the club semi-final game, was it aherne ? i think his style of play is great, he seems like he has a good footballing brain. He's not a big lad by any means but he's solid and reliable, fearless, runs from midfield - Half forward and distributes great ball very rarely losing possession from what i've ever seen of him, he offers us something different to what is there currently.
at the minute we have 4 or 5 men over 6 ft in or around the midfield - HF lines and its just not going to cut it i think, we need more mobility and attacking gameplan
Aherne would be another Micky McNamee. Does a sound job in an excellent, well drilled club side, but just wouldn't make an impact at county level, especially in the current set up.