He is resigning sort off, new leader by the time of the conference but he will stay on to take part in the talks with Lib Dem.
Has no one explained to him that the Lib Dem don't want to talk to him?
Quote from: Denn Forever on May 10, 2010, 06:54:59 PM
He is resigning sort off, new leader by the time of the conference but he will stay on to take part in the talks with Lib Dem.
Has no one explained to him that the Lib Dem don't want to talk to him?
Gordon who?? that fancy chef is it? I hate him.....
Quote from: Denn Forever on May 10, 2010, 06:54:59 PM
He is resigning sort off, new leader by the time of the conference but he will stay on to take part in the talks with Lib Dem.
Has no one explained to him that the Lib Dem don't want to talk to him?
I'd bet everything I own that they're already talking.
Quote from: Denn Forever on May 10, 2010, 06:54:59 PM
He is resigning sort off, new leader by the time of the conference but he will stay on to take part in the talks with Lib Dem.
Has no one explained to him that the Lib Dem don't want to talk to him?
they already are.
Anybody catch Sky News earlier with the "exchange of views" between Alastair Campbell and Adam Boulton? Campbell definitely come off best and looked like Boulton was about to smack him. For a political editor of a news channel his bias towards the Tories is nothing short of a disgrace and totally unprofessional. Sky News are really losing the plot over these coalition talks. First that cow Kay Burley yesterday and now Boulton this evening.
Quote from: tyroneboi on May 10, 2010, 08:26:42 PM
Anybody catch Sky News earlier with the "exchange of views" between Alastair Campbell and Adam Boulton? Campbell definitely come off best and looked like Boulton was about to smack him. For a political editor of a news channel his bias towards the Tories is nothing short of a disgrace and totally unprofessional. Sky News are really losing the plot over these coalition talks. First that cow Kay Burley yesterday and now Boulton this evening.
Whatever people think of Campbell he is too sharp for a boyo like Boulton.
Quote from: tyroneboi on May 10, 2010, 08:26:42 PM
Anybody catch Sky News earlier with the "exchange of views" between Alastair Campbell and Adam Boulton? Campbell definitely come off best and looked like Boulton was about to smack him. For a political editor of a news channel his bias towards the Tories is nothing short of a disgrace and totally unprofessional. Sky News are really losing the plot over these coalition talks. First that cow Kay Burley yesterday and now Boulton this evening.
I doubt it was Tory bias. Probably more personal as Boulton is married to a former advisor of a certain T. Blair so no doubt there is history there.
You would love to see the bit of sneaking about and back stabbing that hoor Mandleson had been at.
Quote from: Minder on May 10, 2010, 08:28:52 PM
Quote from: tyroneboi on May 10, 2010, 08:26:42 PM
Anybody catch Sky News earlier with the "exchange of views" between Alastair Campbell and Adam Boulton? Campbell definitely come off best and looked like Boulton was about to smack him. For a political editor of a news channel his bias towards the Tories is nothing short of a disgrace and totally unprofessional. Sky News are really losing the plot over these coalition talks. First that cow Kay Burley yesterday and now Boulton this evening.
Whatever people think of Campbell he is too sharp for a boyo like Boulton.
Damn right! He wound him up and watched him go. Campbell's a shrewd boy!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XHuZqyuIS8
f**k me Boulton was a disgrace, impartial indeed.
Anyone else see Paxman gettin his arse kicked by the Plaid Cymru economist boyo on youtube..not too often Paxman comes off second best!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Gy7f8vP2QY
Quote from: 5 Sams on May 10, 2010, 09:25:40 PM
Anyone else see Paxman gettin his arse kicked by the Plaid Cymru economist boyo on youtube..not too often Paxman comes off second best!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Gy7f8vP2QY
Aye I posted it last week, the oul hoor had him by the stones from the very start.
Quote from: screenexile on May 10, 2010, 08:58:49 PM
Quote from: Minder on May 10, 2010, 08:28:52 PM
Quote from: tyroneboi on May 10, 2010, 08:26:42 PM
Anybody catch Sky News earlier with the "exchange of views" between Alastair Campbell and Adam Boulton? Campbell definitely come off best and looked like Boulton was about to smack him. For a political editor of a news channel his bias towards the Tories is nothing short of a disgrace and totally unprofessional. Sky News are really losing the plot over these coalition talks. First that cow Kay Burley yesterday and now Boulton this evening.
Whatever people think of Campbell he is too sharp for a boyo like Boulton.
Damn right! He wound him up and watched him go. Campbell's a shrewd boy!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XHuZqyuIS8
that was great telly, adam boulton is some fool to let himself get wound up like that
So with Gordon moving off stage, what's the chance of a Lib/Lab government? And what's the chance of some local parties/politicians being in the mix too? Looking a lot more likely now than 24hrs ago.
Quote from: magickingdom on May 10, 2010, 09:35:04 PM
Quote from: screenexile on May 10, 2010, 08:58:49 PM
Quote from: Minder on May 10, 2010, 08:28:52 PM
Quote from: tyroneboi on May 10, 2010, 08:26:42 PM
Anybody catch Sky News earlier with the "exchange of views" between Alastair Campbell and Adam Boulton? Campbell definitely come off best and looked like Boulton was about to smack him. For a political editor of a news channel his bias towards the Tories is nothing short of a disgrace and totally unprofessional. Sky News are really losing the plot over these coalition talks. First that cow Kay Burley yesterday and now Boulton this evening.
Whatever people think of Campbell he is too sharp for a boyo like Boulton.
Damn right! He wound him up and watched him go. Campbell's a shrewd boy!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XHuZqyuIS8
that was great telly, adam boulton is some fool to let himself get wound up like that
Campbell was brilliant there.
Pure class,
Adam Boulton losing the head again on Sky News when someone said he was "sore" about the latest developments. ;D
According to Kay Burley, a Hung parliament is what the British voters wanted and that is what they got:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELJh2bTK1ew
Quote from: tyroneboi on May 10, 2010, 08:26:42 PM
Anybody catch Sky News earlier with the "exchange of views" between Alastair Campbell and Adam Boulton? Campbell definitely come off best and looked like Boulton was about to smack him. For a political editor of a news channel his bias towards the Tories is nothing short of a disgrace and totally unprofessional. Sky News are really losing the plot over these coalition talks. First that cow Kay Burley yesterday and now Boulton this evening.
I was watching it live on the telly. Couldn't believe what I was seeing. Adam completely lost the head and Alastair was made to look reasonable.
Ed Balls is not a suitable labour leader candidate. Too many giggles in announcing 'Prime Minister Balls' /via @sammywilsonmp
Quote from: tyroneboi on May 10, 2010, 10:36:31 PM
According to Kay Burley, a Hung parliament is what the British voters wanted and that is what they got:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELJh2bTK1ew
Aye but Sky News is sh1t:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbnmyM5UFKQ&feature=player_embedded
Quote from: ziggysego on May 10, 2010, 11:47:39 PM
Ed Balls is not a suitable labour leader candidate. Too many giggles in announcing 'Prime Minister Balls' /via @sammywilsonmp
"Parliament hung by Balls" ............there's a headline worth waiting for.
"Cameron caught by Balls after fresh election"
Don' t want to start a new thread on this but why do all media outlets talk about this 326 magic number. There is 650 seats so yes 326 you would have a majority. 5 of which are SF. So the majority needed is actually 323. it doesn't make that much of a difference only if lib dems and torys don't agree then this would be the alternative the lib dems have.
Lib dem 57 lab 258 = 315 They need 8 seats thats snp + Sdlp/pc or 2 ind.
I would think that Gov. would last longer than lib dem/torys alliance
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on May 11, 2010, 03:57:06 AM
Don' t want to start a new thread on this but why do all media outlets talk about this 326 magic number. There is 650 seats so yes 326 you would have a majority. 5 of which are SF. So the majority needed is actually 323. it doesn't make that much of a difference only if lib dems and torys don't agree then this would be the alternative the lib dems have.
Lib dem 57 lab 258 = 315 They need 8 seats thats snp + Sdlp/pc or 2 ind.
I would think that Gov. would last longer than lib dem/torys alliance
You think? John Reid was absolutely right when he noted that the price the SDLP, the SNP and Plaid would exact would be cuts falling almost entirely on the English, English people who voted decisively for the Tories. Lib/Lab can't seriously think this is a price worth paying for a spell in government which would only work if everyone not in the cabinet is given a role as a whip
Quote from: deiseach on May 11, 2010, 08:32:02 AM
You think? John Reid was absolutely right when he noted that the price the SDLP, the SNP and Plaid would exact would be cuts falling almost entirely on the English, English people who voted decisively for the Tories. Lib/Lab can't seriously think this is a price worth paying for a spell in government which would only work if everyone not in the cabinet is given a role as a whip
Not sure of the relevance of talking about "England"? England gets 82% of the seats, so that's a good share. And its hardly true to say the English voted "decisively" for the Tories when 60% of English voted against them.
Of course without PR we can never tell, but its certainly not clear or decisive which of a Tory/Libs combination or a Lab/Libs/Others combination would obtain a majority of UK votes if they were the only two choices.
Quote from: Hound on May 11, 2010, 09:07:48 AM
Not sure of the relevance of talking about "England"? England gets 82% of the seats, so that's a good share. And its hardly true to say the English voted "decisively" for the Tories when 60% of English voted against them.
Because the English will see public services in Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales being ringfenced at the expense of, well, the English. Do you think the Tories won't make hay with that? Every bye election in England would become a referendum on those policies, further weakening an already weak coalition
Quote from: deiseach on May 11, 2010, 09:39:13 AM
Quote from: Hound on May 11, 2010, 09:07:48 AM
Not sure of the relevance of talking about "England"? England gets 82% of the seats, so that's a good share. And its hardly true to say the English voted "decisively" for the Tories when 60% of English voted against them.
Because the English will see public services in Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales being ringfenced at the expense of, well, the English. Do you think the Tories won't make hay with that? Every bye election in England would become a referendum on those policies, further weakening an already weak coalition
There's nothing new in that. Still the English didnt vote decisively for the Tories. 39% first preference in England is pretty good, but still a large majority didnt give them No.1. Says a lot that despite the mess the economy is in, there's a huge element that still don't want a Tory govt.
I'd imagine the UK results are giving FF a bit of a boost. FF will have a realistic chance of retaining power if they get rid of Cowen, on the "lesser of two evils" basis.
Quote from: Hound on May 11, 2010, 09:59:52 AM
There's nothing new in that. Still the English didnt vote decisively for the Tories. 39% first preference in England is pretty good, but still a large majority didnt give them No.1. Says a lot that despite the mess the economy is in, there's a huge element that still don't want a Tory govt.
Nothing new? I think it'd be very new, or at least it would be blatantly obvious in the way the Tony Gregory deal was. I take your point about 39.5% not being 'decisive' but Ukip picked up 3.5% of the vote in England so there's a Tory vote there that is tantalisingly close to the kind of numbers required for a majority even in a PR system - FF would have gotten one in 1987 with 44% of the vote but for the existence of the PD's. As you say, PR would tell us a lot more but doesn't mean we can't speculate
Quote from: never kickt a ball on May 11, 2010, 12:34:37 AM
Quote from: ziggysego on May 10, 2010, 11:47:39 PM
Ed Balls is not a suitable labour leader candidate. Too many giggles in announcing 'Prime Minister Balls' /via @sammywilsonmp
"Parliament hung by Balls" ............there's a headline worth waiting for.
"Cameron caught by Balls after fresh election"
Labour led into government by Balls.
Balls crushed in leadership contest.
etc.
Carry On Governing.
I see Labour are ruling out coalition with the SNP. Can't say I blame them, Alex Salmond *doffs cap* gets off at insulting them at every opportunity. But they can't be serious about trying to cobble together a minority government. Unless they plan to climb into bed* with the DUP . . .
*Feel free to insert "everyone else has" joke here
Gordon's gone - Tories and Lib Dems in bed together.
And we're all going to get fucked
Are the Lib Dems getting a deal on PR?
Gordon's gone.
Hope whatever Tory ends up in Hillsborough Castle keeps a low profile and doesn't start throwing his or her weight around.
Quote from: red hander on May 11, 2010, 06:19:06 PM
And we're all going to get fucked
I'll be surprised if it lasts 12 months.
20-30% of public sector workers here can kiss their jobs goodbye. The gravy-train for the unemployable had to stop somewhere.
Watching Brown's address to the labour party, a demonstration of grace and dignity, fair play to him.
Cant believe they picked that other little p***k over him.
What will this mean up north? Especially as the Conservatives don't need the DUP. Will the DUP feel unloved?
for the north it will mean cuts cuts and more cuts.
Quote from: Denn Forever on May 11, 2010, 08:28:06 PM
What will this mean up north?
If Cameron's stupid link up with the Empeyunionists is any guide ...ye're in for a few years of absolute stupidity.
Still it might convince a few more Unionists they are lucky to be Irish.
I read the other day that when there is such a deficit the easiest and quickest cuts are the welfare state, so a lot of buckos on the DLA may enjoy it while it lasts.
QuoteConservative David Cameron became Britain's new prime minister tonight after he accepted the invitation from Queen Elizabeth to form a new government.
Mr Cameron (43) whose party won the most seats and votes in last Thursday's election but failed to secure an outright majority, takes over from Gordon Brown who earlier resigned, ending 13 years of Labour rule.
Mr Cameron, a former public relations executive, becomes Britain's youngest prime minister in almost 200 years.
Earlier an emotional Mr Brown spoke outside his Downing Street office, saying: "I have informed the queen's private secretary that it's my intention to tender my resignation to the queen."
"In the event that the queen accepts I shall advise her to invite the leader of the opposition to seek to form a government. I wish the next prime minister well as he makes the important choices for the future," Mr Brown said.
Mr Brown also said he would be stepping down immediately as Labour leader.
Both the Conservatives and Labour tried to win Lib Dem support to form the next government during five days of intense negotiations, but it became clear this afternoon that Labour had lost and Mr Brown would have to resign.
Sterling held gains against the dollar after Mr Brown announced his resignation, rising 0.8 per cent to $1.4972. British government bonds had also rallied earlier on reports that a Conservative/Lib Dem deal was imminent.
First among those choices will be what to do to reduce Britain's record budget deficit, which has raised fears that the country could lose its triple-A credit rating and get into debt difficulties.
Markets want a quick resolution to the uncertainty and favour a Conservative-led government because they believe it would move faster and harder to cut the deficit.
Just after his statement, Mr Brown, his wife and their two children briefly posed for photographers before leaving Downing Street, the official prime ministerial residence.
Then Mr Brown was driven to Buckingham Palace where Queen Elizabeth accepted his resignation.
The sequence of events was in accordance with British constitutional convention. Mr Brown's statement made clear that the Conservatives and the Liberal Democrats had secured some sort of power-sharing arrangement, but the exact details were not yet known.
Senior Conservative William Hague, who has been negotiating with the Lib Dems, told reporters minutes after Mr Brown's statement that he and his team now had recommendations to propose to party colleagues.
Danny Alexander, a Lib Dem negotiator, made similar comments.
"We have completed our discussions in a good atmosphere and are now returning to report back to (Lib Dem leader) Nick Clegg and our parliamentary colleagues," he said.
The Lib Dems had turned to the Conservatives first, on the basis that they had won most votes and most seats in last Thursday's election. But Mr Brown threw a spanner in the works on Monday when he said he would step aside in coming months.
The move was aimed at tempting the Lib Dems away from the Conservatives and into an alliance with Labour. Clegg had made it clear during the campaign he did not wish to prop up the unpopular Mr Brown.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2010/0511/breaking8.html
QuoteAnd we're all going to get fucked
I think you'll find that all governments make mistakes but the way Labour fucked the economy living on the never never will take some beating, no matter what the Tories do.
Quotefor the north it will mean cuts cuts and more cuts.
The north needs this. It'll be a hard and horrible couple of years for anyone affected by it, but the end result will be better. Unless of course labour get back into power and spend 5 years re-instating utterly pointless jobs.
I really hope the welfare state takes the biggest hit.
Quote from: thewobbler on May 11, 2010, 09:01:46 PM
QuoteAnd we're all going to get fucked
I think you'll find that all governments make mistakes but the way Labour fucked the economy living on the never never will take some beating, no matter what the Tories do.
Quotefor the north it will mean cuts cuts and more cuts.
The north needs this. It'll be a hard and horrible couple of years for anyone affected by it, but the end result will be better. Unless of course labour get back into power and spend 5 years re-instating utterly pointless jobs.
I really hope the welfare state takes the biggest hit.
I think it has to, and will.
Quote from: thewobbler on May 11, 2010, 09:01:46 PM
QuoteAnd we're all going to get fucked
I think you'll find that all governments make mistakes but the way Labour fucked the economy living on the never never will take some beating, no matter what the Tories do.
Quotefor the north it will mean cuts cuts and more cuts.
The north needs this. It'll be a hard and horrible couple of years for anyone affected by it, but the end result will be better. Unless of course labour get back into power and spend 5 years re-instating utterly pointless jobs.
I really hope the welfare state takes the biggest hit.
We have a Tory boy in our mist ;)
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/155000/images/_158780_harry_enfield_as_tory_boy_150_elvis.jpg)
QuoteI think you'll find that all governments make mistakes but the way Labour fucked the economy living on the never never will take some beating, no matter what the Tories do.
The worldwide recession fucked the economy.
QuoteThe worldwide recession fucked the economy.
That's right Pints. A global recession caused by the fact the world's richest countries allowed borrowing to go unchecked. Gordon Brown was the chancellor who lived on the never never.
Quote from: hardstation on May 11, 2010, 09:30:30 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on May 11, 2010, 09:22:44 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 11, 2010, 09:01:46 PM
QuoteAnd we're all going to get fucked
I think you'll find that all governments make mistakes but the way Labour fucked the economy living on the never never will take some beating, no matter what the Tories do.
Quotefor the north it will mean cuts cuts and more cuts.
The north needs this. It'll be a hard and horrible couple of years for anyone affected by it, but the end result will be better. Unless of course labour get back into power and spend 5 years re-instating utterly pointless jobs.
I really hope the welfare state takes the biggest hit.
We have a Tory boy in our mist ;)
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/155000/images/_158780_harry_enfield_as_tory_boy_150_elvis.jpg)
Our mist? I don't have any mist.
:D :D
This is bad news. Belt yourselves in for a rough ride with these b*****ds back in power. The maggie thatcher years were a nightmare and this shower will hammer the North, not with their shoot to kill and draconian laws this time but economically and on jobs front we will get it in the neck. The problem with the british is young voters didn't experience them and older ones seem to have forgotten.
'He who does not remember his past is doomed top repeat it.'
Quote from: thewobbler on May 11, 2010, 09:32:58 PM
QuoteThe worldwide recession fucked the economy.
That's right Pints. A global recession caused by the fact the world's richest countries allowed borrowing to go unchecked. Gordon Brown was the chancellor who lived on the never never.
and you think a conservative govt would have done anything differently?
Quote from: Minder on May 11, 2010, 09:18:40 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 11, 2010, 09:01:46 PM
QuoteAnd we're all going to get fucked
I think you'll find that all governments make mistakes but the way Labour fucked the economy living on the never never will take some beating, no matter what the Tories do.
Quotefor the north it will mean cuts cuts and more cuts.
The north needs this. It'll be a hard and horrible couple of years for anyone affected by it, but the end result will be better. Unless of course labour get back into power and spend 5 years re-instating utterly pointless jobs.
I really hope the welfare state takes the biggest hit.
I think it has to, and will.
Hope you are right. About time a few more people started paddling their own boats. Welfare and civil servants that is.
No good wishing for this that and the other to get caught up. The shit hits the fan from here out. Its not going ta be good. Not good at all.
Quote from: EC Unique on May 11, 2010, 10:17:33 PM
Hope you are right. About time a few more people started paddling their own boats. Welfare and civil servants that is.
What are you talking about? How the feck can ye paddle your own boat if you're on welfare?
Quote from: Zapatista on May 11, 2010, 10:20:02 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on May 11, 2010, 10:17:33 PM
Hope you are right. About time a few more people started paddling their own boats. Welfare and civil servants that is.
What are you talking about? How the feck can ye paddle your own boat if you're on welfare?
Are you saying you think that all people on welfare are genuine cases?
Quoteand you think a conservative govt would have done anything differently?
The point is they weren't in power. Labour were and they fucked the place properly. To give them another term would have been a most unjust of rewards.
Quote from: EC Unique on May 11, 2010, 10:24:20 PM
Are you saying you think that all people on welfare are genuine cases?
Simple question. How do you expect the unemployed and the sick to paddle their own boats?
Quote from: thewobbler on May 11, 2010, 10:30:42 PM
Quoteand you think a conservative govt would have done anything differently?
The point is they weren't in power. Labour were and they fucked the place properly. To give them another term would have been a most unjust of rewards.
Tories could land the UK more into the brown, so to speak.
There's nothing to fear from properly targeted cuts. I doubt there's a big enough majority for them to go truely bananas with the cuts, there'll be a lot of 'freezing' of wages and departmental budgets. Any sustained bounce in the financial markets and the sale of the Nationalised banks will take a big chunck from the deficit.
I predict an election in the autumn of 2011, just enough time for descension in the Liberal ranks to really come to the fore when the hard decisions have been made and their effects are being felt far & wide and the honeymoon period is but a distant memory.
The majority of the British press should be ashamed of themselves as well, Sky are a disgrace and the likes of The Times have went down in estimation a lot, their editorial today when commenting on Nick Clegg speaking to Labour was a childish rant. Rupert Murdoch has had a very big say in this election.
Adios to Gordon, a man I have a serious amount of respect for, a genuine man who couldn't or didn't want to play the PR game. His likely replacement David Milliband stikes me as a toady wee shite.
Quote from: Zapatista on May 11, 2010, 10:31:54 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on May 11, 2010, 10:24:20 PM
Are you saying you think that all people on welfare are genuine cases?
Simple question. How do you expect the unemployed and the sick to paddle their own boats?
Obviously genuinely sick people can not. They are entitled to welfare. However I am not naive enough to believe that all people 'on the sick' are genuine.
Unemployed are another matter. I believe that if you really want to work, are prepared to do anything (legal) then you will get a job. Far too many people laying at home happly to be on the dole getting housing benefit and child benefit and God knows what else. Cut their benefits and hay presto... a job will appear.
Seriously fellas it's not about what the Tories would have done had they been in charge or what they're going to do now they're mostly in charge.
Labour were the incumbents and made a right mess of it. Take it down to your GAA committe level and imagine backing a chairman who bankrupted the club with nothing to show for it.
Obviously there are cuts needed but if they make the very drastic cuts some are predicting they will be a one term government, something I am sure Cameron is well aware of.
Quote from: thewobbler on May 11, 2010, 10:30:42 PM
Quoteand you think a conservative govt would have done anything differently?
The point is they weren't in power. Labour were and they fucked the place properly. To give them another term would have been a most unjust of rewards.
The point is that labour was in power when there was a world wide recession and someone else being in power would not have stopped that.
Quote from: bennydorano on May 11, 2010, 10:42:10 PM
There's nothing to fear from properly targeted cuts. I doubt there's a big enough majority for them to go truely bananas with the cuts, there'll be a lot of 'freezing' of wages and departmental budgets. Any sustained bounce in the financial markets and the sale of the Nationalised banks will take a big chunck from the deficit.
I predict an election in the autumn of 2011, just enough time for descension in the Liberal ranks to really come to the fore when the hard decisions have been made and their effects are being felt far & wide and the honeymoon period is but a distant memory.
The majority of the British press should be ashamed of themselves as well, Sky are a disgrace and the likes of The Times have went down in estimation a lot, their editorial today when commenting on Nick Clegg speaking to Labour was a childish rant. Rupert Murdoch has had a very big say in this election.
Adios to Gordon, a man I have a serious amount of respect for, a genuine man who couldn't or didn't want to play the PR game. His likely replacement Ed Milliband stikes me as a toady wee shite.
I can't remember if it was mandelson or ed balls that said this evening that gordon was only interested in winning the arguments - imo he done that it's just a pity there's not enough brain cells in the country that can see that. Even watching the new prime minister this evening I've yet to see any evidence of any substance.
David Cameron's Vision for a New Britain
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHR6-KN-8uI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHR6-KN-8uI)
Liberals are on path to oblivion, as previously trod by PDs in south. Labour set to produce a Blair clone as leader, all mouth and no substance. The Tories must be laughing, its win-win for them. As for us voting fodder, now that the election is over, none of the parties will give a fcuk. To compound our misery Alex Atwood has been appointed Minister for Social Development in the Assembly, highlighting the dearth of talent or choice in the S.D.L.P.. Leave the Country and go up a tree for the next four years.
Quote from: Pangurban on May 12, 2010, 01:15:20 AM
Liberals are on path to oblivion, as previously trod by PDs in south. Labour set to produce a Blair clone as leader, all mouth and no substance. The Tories must be laughing, its win-win for them. As for us voting fodder, now that the election is over, none of the parties will give a fcuk. To compound our misery Alex Atwood has been appointed Minister for Social Development in the Assembly, highlighting the dearth of talent or choice in the S.D.L.P.. Leave the Country and go up a tree for the next four years.
One of terms that the Lib Dems asked for and got from the Tories was a fix 5 year term in Government.
change for change sake is not always a good thing :-\
Not good for Scotland and its 1 Tory MP. Very good imo for the English midlands which the Tories will target in order to reach the "magical" 40% needed in British elections to govern.
West and North of Manchester as usual will be left to rot
I would think the benefits system will be hammered. DLA is a big target apprarently. Benefits payments come directly from the London Treasury and are not part of the "block" grant. To be fair had Labour won they would have to do the same, only difference is they would have waited a few months. Expect an emergency budget in late June, have a few stiff drinks before that!
Now a Villa fan is PM I will be expecting legislation to ensure we are challenging for the league title next season, starting with massive duty rise on Whiskey which will force Fergie abroad. A higher tax on cigarettes will see Carlo back to Italy and a cut in restaurant gratuities will ensure Rafa fecks off to Madrid. Cam-er-on The Villa!
On top of cuts taxes are going to rise. How else are they going to pay off the deficit.
Quote from: Doogie Browser on May 12, 2010, 10:12:09 AM
Now a Villa fan is PM I will be expecting legislation to ensure we are challenging for the league title next season, starting with massive duty rise on Whiskey which will force Fergie abroad. A higher tax on cigarettes will see Carlo back to Italy and a cut in restaurant gratuities will ensure Rafa fecks off to Madrid. Cam-er-on The Villa!
Papers reporting Martin O'Neill Secretary of State for NI!!
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on May 12, 2010, 10:23:25 AM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on May 12, 2010, 10:12:09 AM
Now a Villa fan is PM I will be expecting legislation to ensure we are challenging for the league title next season, starting with massive duty rise on Whiskey which will force Fergie abroad. A higher tax on cigarettes will see Carlo back to Italy and a cut in restaurant gratuities will ensure Rafa fecks off to Madrid. Cam-er-on The Villa!
Papers reporting Martin O'Neill Secretary of State for NI!!
Too volatile AQMP! As soon as there is a threat to his budget he will threaten to walk out!
Cameron is already having an effect
Slight fall in NI unemployment benefit claims
Wednesday, 12 May 2010 13:08
The number of people claiming unemployment benefit in the North has fallen for the first time in more than two years.
It stood at 55,400 in April down 200 over the month, a 0.4% drop.
However, it was the smallest decrease in the UK.
AdvertisementThe seasonally adjusted unemployment rate in the North increased to 6.7% for the first quarter of this year.
The North's Enterprise Minister Arlene Foster welcomed the small drop in those claiming unemployment benefit.
She also announced the creation of 104 highly skilled jobs in a multi-million pounds investment following an expansion by a US company in Lisburn.
Kelman Ltd is owned by global company GE.
It makes monitoring and diagnostic equipment for electricity transformers.
Invest NI has offered almost £1m towards the project.
The company said it will be recruiting for staff in advanced manufacturing, research and development and technical support roles.
GE will also establish an online operating centre to provide a new monitoring, diagnostic and technical support service to customers using the company's monitoring equipment.
These activities will be complemented by the creation of a centre of excellence to research and develop new monitoring products, technologies and software tools.
The Enterprise Minister Arlene Foster said: 'GE is a well established and globally renowned company which, for more than a century, has pushed the boundaries of energy technology to become a market leader. This significant investment reflects GE's confidence in its Lisburn operation and in the quality of the local workforce.'
In a statement, US Economic Envoy to Northern Ireland, Declan Kelly, also welcomed the expansion.
Excuse my ignorance but what does DLA mean?
Disability Living Allowance.....otherwise known round Armagh as.....Daily Liqour Allowance ;)
I had to take a very deep breath before I typed this comment. I agree with the longrunsthefox. There I said it and it may be a first but what the heck. It will be us feckers here who get the hit. I' not sure but how many Tories were voted in between Scotland Wales and the North of Ireland, less than a handful. These areas will now be over looked for the good of Little England and that magical 40% at the next election.
Indeed there are those who misuse the DLA system but I feel sickened by EC Unique with your generalisations. Few of us know what goes on inside many homes and a blanket response from the Tories will only hurt the innocent and vulnerable as well as the misusers. Anyone who lived through the Thatcher years will agree we have a lot to worry about under a Tory government. The 'black economy' was a very small economy back in the 80's. in the future I wonder if we in the north will have the same view on migrant workers as some do at present when our children again set off around the world looking for employment.
Thanks Sammy
Quote from: Sandino on May 12, 2010, 02:17:07 PM
I had to take a very deep breath before I penned this comment.
typed ;D and well done, it must have taken some guts to agree with the fox in the wide open forum and let us all know about it... ;)
Quote from: Sandino on May 12, 2010, 02:17:07 PM
I had to take a very deep breath before I typed this comment. I agree with the longrunsthefox. There I said it and it may be a first but what the heck. It will be us feckers here who get the hit. I' not sure but how many Tories were voted in between Scotland Wales and the North of Ireland, less than a handful. These areas will now be over looked for the good of Little England and that magical 40% at the next election.
Indeed there are those who misuse the DLA system but I feel sickened by EC Unique with your generalisations. Few of us know what goes on inside many homes and a blanket response from the Tories will only hurt the innocent and vulnerable as well as the misusers. Anyone who lived through the Thatcher years will agree we have a lot to worry about under a Tory government. The 'black economy' was a very small economy back in the 80's. in the future I wonder if we in the north will have the same view on migrant workers as some do at present when our children again set off around the world looking for employment.
Thanks Sammy
I did not generalise! I said that there were genuine cases where people are entitled to welfare!!
I just hope that the cuts get rid of the spongers and the people who really need it get it.
A whole new system that would root out the people who are happy to sit at home when they are perfectly capable of a days work and yet protects the genuine people would be a good thing for all of us.
No?
just watching the press conference here. Two smug f**krs.
Quote from: EC Unique on May 11, 2010, 10:44:06 PM
Obviously genuinely sick people can not. They are entitled to welfare. However I am not naive enough to believe that all people 'on the sick' are genuine.
Unemployed are another matter. I believe that if you really want to work, are prepared to do anything (legal) then you will get a job. Far too many people laying at home happly to be on the dole getting housing benefit and child benefit and God knows what else. Cut their benefits and hay presto... a job will appear.
I'm sure they're not all genuine but you shouldn't throw the baby out with the bath water. Not all calls to 999 are genuine but that doesn't mean you cut the service, you just try to improve it.
If jobs could appear like that then there wouldn't be a problem. Yes, some people take the piss but there are many genuine cases out there. What you are suggesting will only result in emigration or a rise in crime.
Quote from: Joxer on May 12, 2010, 02:49:03 PM
just watching the press conference here. Two smug f**krs.
Couldnt agree more.
Clegg started to get on my nerves in the first debate and at this stage I'd turn over to another station if his smug face comes up on the screen.I just can't put my finger on it but he's a condescending insincere p***k.
Quote from: EC Unique on May 12, 2010, 02:32:42 PM
Quote from: Sandino on May 12, 2010, 02:17:07 PM
I had to take a very deep breath before I typed this comment. I agree with the longrunsthefox. There I said it and it may be a first but what the heck. It will be us feckers here who get the hit. I' not sure but how many Tories were voted in between Scotland Wales and the North of Ireland, less than a handful. These areas will now be over looked for the good of Little England and that magical 40% at the next election.
Indeed there are those who misuse the DLA system but I feel sickened by EC Unique with your generalisations. Few of us know what goes on inside many homes and a blanket response from the Tories will only hurt the innocent and vulnerable as well as the misusers. Anyone who lived through the Thatcher years will agree we have a lot to worry about under a Tory government. The 'black economy' was a very small economy back in the 80's. in the future I wonder if we in the north will have the same view on migrant workers as some do at present when our children again set off around the world looking for employment.
Thanks Sammy
I did not generalise! I said that there were genuine cases where people are entitled to welfare!!
I just hope that the cuts get rid of the spongers and the people who really need it get it.
A whole new system that would root out the people who are happy to sit at home when they are perfectly capable of a days work and yet protects the genuine people would be a good thing for all of us.
No?
How would you do it. The system is abused by the one's that should know better.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on May 12, 2010, 06:20:12 PM
Quote from: Joxer on May 12, 2010, 02:49:03 PM
just watching the press conference here. Two smug f**krs.
Couldnt agree more.
Clegg started to get on my nerves in the first debate and at this stage I'd turn over to another station if his smug face comes up on the screen.I just can't put my finger on it but he's a condescending insincere p***k.
Total opposite of ex Labour PM Blair then...As for insincerity, maybe you missed your beloved Brown giving that weirdo smile for the cameras before slating Gillian Duffy as soon as he thought the press pack had gone.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 12, 2010, 06:53:29 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on May 12, 2010, 06:20:12 PM
Quote from: Joxer on May 12, 2010, 02:49:03 PM
just watching the press conference here. Two smug f**krs.
Couldnt agree more.
Clegg started to get on my nerves in the first debate and at this stage I'd turn over to another station if his smug face comes up on the screen.I just can't put my finger on it but he's a condescending insincere p***k.
Total opposite of ex Labour PM Blair then...As for insincerity, maybe you missed your beloved Brown giving that weirdo smile for the cameras before slating Gillian Duffy as soon as he thought the press pack had gone.
Beloved? :D
I didnt really like blair, another smug git but unlike these two there was at least some substance to him.
As for Brown and Gillian Duffy, he didnt do anything the rest of us havent done.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on May 12, 2010, 06:58:56 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 12, 2010, 06:53:29 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on May 12, 2010, 06:20:12 PM
Quote from: Joxer on May 12, 2010, 02:49:03 PM
just watching the press conference here. Two smug f**krs.
Couldnt agree more.
Clegg started to get on my nerves in the first debate and at this stage I'd turn over to another station if his smug face comes up on the screen.I just can't put my finger on it but he's a condescending insincere p***k.
Total opposite of ex Labour PM Blair then...As for insincerity, maybe you missed your beloved Brown giving that weirdo smile for the cameras before slating Gillian Duffy as soon as he thought the press pack had gone.
Beloved? :D
I didnt really like blair, another smug git but unlike these two there was at least some substance to him.
As for Brown and Gillian Duffy, he didnt do anything the rest of us havent done.
So Cameron has no substance, based on his 20 odd hours in office. Good man pints.
All about going to the right schools.
(http://iconicphotos.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/cameroneton2_468x420.jpg?w=468&h=420)
(1) the Hon. Edward Sebastian Grigg, the heir to Baron Altrincham of Tormarton and current chairman of Credit Suisse (UK)
(2) David Cameron
(3) Ralph Perry Robinson, a former child actor, designer, furniture-maker
(4) Ewen Fergusson, son of the British ambassador to France, Sir Ewen Fergusson and now at City law firm Herbert Smith
(5) Matthew Benson, the heir to the Earldom of Wemyss and March
(6) Sebastian James, the son of Lord Northbourne, a major landowner in Kent
(7) Jonathan Ford, the-then president of the club, a banker with Morgan Grenfell
(8 Boris Johnson, the-then president of the Oxford Union, now Lord Mayor of London
9) Harry Eastwood, the investment fund consultant
(http://iconicphotos.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/bullingdon_club_at__417769a.jpg?w=585&h=350)
(1) George Osborne, now the Shadow Chancellor;
(2) writer Harry Mount, the heir to the Baronetcy of Wasing and Mr. Cameron's cousin;
(3) Chris Coleridge, the descendant of Samuel Taylor Coleridge, the son of Lloyds' chairman David Coleridge, the brother of Conde Nast managing director Nicholas Coleridge
(4) German aristocrat and managing consultant Baron Lupus von Maltzahn,
(5) the late Mark Petre, the heir to the Barony of Petre;
(6) Australian millionaire Peter Holmes a Cour;
(7) Nat Rothschild, the heir to the Barons Rothschilds and co-founder of a racy student paper with Harry Mount
(8 Jason Gissing, the chairman of Ocado supermarkets.
Two figures on left of (6) and (7) were blacked out before the photo was released, causing wild allegations. Their identities are yet unknown. My top contenders (based on the influence in the City, the Athenaeum and their Oxford prominence) include:
(1) the Hon. Michael Gove, Shadow Secretary of State for Children, Schools and Families, former president of the Oxford Union and "one-man think-tank"
(2) the Hon. Adam Bruce, the son of the Earl of Elgin and incumbent Unicorn Pursuivant of Arms
(3) the Hon. Edward Vaizey, the son of Lord Vaizey and the Shadow Minister for Culture
(4) the founder of Think Tank Policy Exchange, and conservative activist Nicholas Boles
(5) Steven Hilton, the director of strategy for Cameron and godfather of Cameron's children
George Osborne would give you the skitter, I would say if you ripped his throat out there would be nothing but wires.
Wouldn't have minded being there when both pictures were taken ... carrying a Kalashnikov with four spare magazines
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 12, 2010, 07:17:09 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on May 12, 2010, 06:58:56 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 12, 2010, 06:53:29 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on May 12, 2010, 06:20:12 PM
Quote from: Joxer on May 12, 2010, 02:49:03 PM
just watching the press conference here. Two smug f**krs.
Couldnt agree more.
Clegg started to get on my nerves in the first debate and at this stage I'd turn over to another station if his smug face comes up on the screen.I just can't put my finger on it but he's a condescending insincere p***k.
Total opposite of ex Labour PM Blair then...As for insincerity, maybe you missed your beloved Brown giving that weirdo smile for the cameras before slating Gillian Duffy as soon as he thought the press pack had gone.
Beloved? :D
I didnt really like blair, another smug git but unlike these two there was at least some substance to him.
As for Brown and Gillian Duffy, he didnt do anything the rest of us havent done.
So Cameron has no substance, based on his 20 odd hours in office. Good man pints.
Well we'll see go it turns out but so far I haven't seen or heard anything from him to suggest there's any substance there.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on May 12, 2010, 07:22:47 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 12, 2010, 07:17:09 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on May 12, 2010, 06:58:56 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 12, 2010, 06:53:29 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on May 12, 2010, 06:20:12 PM
Quote from: Joxer on May 12, 2010, 02:49:03 PM
just watching the press conference here. Two smug f**krs.
Couldnt agree more.
Clegg started to get on my nerves in the first debate and at this stage I'd turn over to another station if his smug face comes up on the screen.I just can't put my finger on it but he's a condescending insincere p***k.
Total opposite of ex Labour PM Blair then...As for insincerity, maybe you missed your beloved Brown giving that weirdo smile for the cameras before slating Gillian Duffy as soon as he thought the press pack had gone.
Beloved? :D
I didnt really like blair, another smug git but unlike these two there was at least some substance to him.
As for Brown and Gillian Duffy, he didnt do anything the rest of us havent done.
So Cameron has no substance, based on his 20 odd hours in office. Good man pints.
Well we'll see go it turns out but so far I haven't seen or heard anything from him to suggest there's any substance there.
You can only judge him on his time in office. He's not going to be the most popular PM as he's inheriting an economic shitstorm from Labour.
Quote from: Zapatista on May 12, 2010, 05:09:14 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on May 11, 2010, 10:44:06 PM
Obviously genuinely sick people can not. They are entitled to welfare. However I am not naive enough to believe that all people 'on the sick' are genuine.
Unemployed are another matter. I believe that if you really want to work, are prepared to do anything (legal) then you will get a job. Far too many people laying at home happly to be on the dole getting housing benefit and child benefit and God knows what else. Cut their benefits and hay presto... a job will appear.
I'm sure they're not all genuine but you shouldn't throw the baby out with the bath water. Not all calls to 999 are genuine but that doesn't mean you cut the service, you just try to improve it.
If jobs could appear like that then there wouldn't be a problem. Yes, some people take the piss but there are many genuine cases out there. What you are suggesting will only result in emigration or a rise in crime.
You agree with my assesment. It appears where we disagree is that something needs to be done to sort it out.
Quote from: reddgnhand on May 12, 2010, 06:28:36 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on May 12, 2010, 02:32:42 PM
Quote from: Sandino on May 12, 2010, 02:17:07 PM
I had to take a very deep breath before I typed this comment. I agree with the longrunsthefox. There I said it and it may be a first but what the heck. It will be us feckers here who get the hit. I' not sure but how many Tories were voted in between Scotland Wales and the North of Ireland, less than a handful. These areas will now be over looked for the good of Little England and that magical 40% at the next election.
Indeed there are those who misuse the DLA system but I feel sickened by EC Unique with your generalisations. Few of us know what goes on inside many homes and a blanket response from the Tories will only hurt the innocent and vulnerable as well as the misusers. Anyone who lived through the Thatcher years will agree we have a lot to worry about under a Tory government. The 'black economy' was a very small economy back in the 80's. in the future I wonder if we in the north will have the same view on migrant workers as some do at present when our children again set off around the world looking for employment.
Thanks Sammy
I did not generalise! I said that there were genuine cases where people are entitled to welfare!!
I just hope that the cuts get rid of the spongers and the people who really need it get it.
A whole new system that would root out the people who are happy to sit at home when they are perfectly capable of a days work and yet protects the genuine people would be a good thing for all of us.
No?
How would you do it. The system is abused by the one's that should know better.
I don't know the answer but surley there has to be some way of filtering out the bluffers. I guess we will soon see.
Quote from: EC Unique on May 12, 2010, 09:45:06 PM
You agree with my assesment. It appears where we disagree is that something needs to be done to sort it out.
I disagree with a large amount of your assesment.
We disagree that people on SW need to paddle their own boat.