Carrickmacross Councillors removed a page signed by the Israeli ambassador. Well fair play to them I say. Appearently it was supported by Sinn Fein, a Green and a Fianna Fail councilor. However Foreign Affairs minister Micheal Martin criticised the council's decision but then what else would you expect from mega hypocrite in the Dail.
Obviusly the blueshirts didn't support it but then they have a histroy of admiring fascism like Franco's gang in the Spainish civil war so naturally they would be fans of the zionist state.
Considering their actions in Gaza last year and the Passport scandel/murder of Mahmud al-Mabhuh and the fact that they murdered Jesus ( ;)), ripping a page out of a book is the least that could be done to them!
What was the page ripped out off?
Quote from: mylestheslasher on March 07, 2010, 09:20:04 PM
What was the page ripped out off?
A book visitors sign. They tore the page out with the Isreali ambassador's signature.
Quote from: ziggysego on March 07, 2010, 09:31:49 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on March 07, 2010, 09:20:04 PM
What was the page ripped out off?
A book visitors sign. They tore the page out with the Isreali ambassador's signature.
Town Hall Guest book.
By Carrick standards, ripping a page out of a book is a fierce act of rebellion.
I suppose it's all in the way the page is ripped out.
Bunch of morons.
why did they not tell to get the f**k out when he was there instead of letting him sign the book then rip out the page when he left ::)
Btw on a more serious note, I believe the Israeli Ambassador should be kicked out of Ireland, at least until they can account for the reason Mossad used 6 Irish passports to murder a man.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2010/0301/1224265372463.html
Taken from the above:
Israel's bullish foreign minister Avigdor Lieberman appears to have shrugged off the concerns of the five countries implicated, citing Israel's "policy of ambiguity' on intelligence and security matters. In Brussels last week, after meeting EU counterparts including Minister for Foreign Affairs Micheál Martin, Lieberman appeared quite blase about what some have described as a serious diplomatic rift. "I think you have all seen too many James Bond movies," he quipped to reporters.
Wankers, if it was one of their own they would be aerial bombing homes schools and hospitals!
A mighty blow indeed.
Quote from: Minder on March 07, 2010, 09:51:11 PM
A mighty blow indeed.
Better then nothing, the cnuts get away with genocide and anyone slags them off is called antisemitic!
Christ Almighty what a bunch of immature wankers.
I don't know. It's a small act, but the symbolism is big.
So what if you are pro-Israeli... like I am??? What does that make me?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 07, 2010, 11:17:18 PM
So what if you are pro-Israeli... like I am??? What does that make me?
Wrong :P
Certainly not pro-Israeli myself but this is the sorta nonsense schoolchildren would be at. Hardly the way to make a point about Israeli aggression.
Quote from: Rav67 on March 07, 2010, 11:19:58 PM
Certainly not pro-Israeli myself but this is the sorta nonsense schoolchildren would be at. Hardly the way to make a point about Israeli aggression.
+1
Quote from: deiseach on March 07, 2010, 11:30:42 PM
Quote from: Rav67 on March 07, 2010, 11:19:58 PM
Certainly not pro-Israeli myself but this is the sorta nonsense schoolchildren would be at. Hardly the way to make a point about Israeli aggression.
+1
So lads we gonna send our 3 ships (sorry Navy) to the Med and sort this out?
Quote from: deiseach on March 07, 2010, 11:30:42 PM
Quote from: Rav67 on March 07, 2010, 11:19:58 PM
Certainly not pro-Israeli myself but this is the sorta nonsense schoolchildren would be at. Hardly the way to make a point about Israeli aggression.
+1
It was also having a go at the Mayor who tried to sneak the visit in behing the backs of the other councillers.
This small token just shows how little our Government are doing to highlight it.
Quote from: deiseach on March 07, 2010, 11:30:42 PM
Quote from: Rav67 on March 07, 2010, 11:19:58 PM
Certainly not pro-Israeli myself but this is the sorta nonsense schoolchildren would be at. Hardly the way to make a point about Israeli aggression.
+1
Actually just wondering what would the pair of you do?
+1
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on March 08, 2010, 12:30:02 AMActually just wondering what would the pair of you do?
Nothing. A guestbook was signed, leave it signed.
Quote from: hardstation on March 08, 2010, 12:33:36 AM
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on March 08, 2010, 12:30:02 AM
Quote from: deiseach on March 07, 2010, 11:30:42 PM
Quote from: Rav67 on March 07, 2010, 11:19:58 PM
Certainly not pro-Israeli myself but this is the sorta nonsense schoolchildren would be at. Hardly the way to make a point about Israeli aggression.
+1
Actually just wondering what would the pair of you do?
+1
I would assume that they would do nothing as they are a pair of spineless feckers. Don't even have the balls to rip a page out of a book.
That made me smile! :) Your probably right.
Quote from: deiseach on March 08, 2010, 12:33:24 AM
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on March 08, 2010, 12:30:02 AMActually just wondering what would the pair of you do?
Nothing. A guestbook was signed, leave it signed.
So just let Israel and Mossad take the piss out of our Nation?
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on March 08, 2010, 12:37:17 AM
So just let Israel and Mossad take the piss out of our Nation?
This gesture hasn't advanced the cause of peace one iota. All it does is weaken the hand of the the doves in Israel.
Quote from: deiseach on March 08, 2010, 12:40:01 AM
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on March 08, 2010, 12:37:17 AM
So just let Israel and Mossad take the piss out of our Nation?
This gesture hasn't advanced the cause of peace one iota. All it does is weaken the hand of the the doves in Israel.
Sorry but that sounds like alot of crap to me!
Carrrickmacross made a point, the only way they could (invasion not being an option) it has recieved worldwide publicity, you still haven't given an alternative reaction to the Israelis taking the piss out of our Nation?
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on March 08, 2010, 12:58:50 AM
Sorry but that sounds like alot of crap to me!
Carrrickmacross made a point, the only way they could (invasion not being an option) it has recieved worldwide publicity, you still haven't given an alternative reaction to the Israelis taking the piss out of our Nation?
And their 'point' has brought us closer to a resolution of the problems in the Middle East . . . how, exactly? Where does it stop? Why not get someone to wipe their arse with the page then post it to the Israeli embassy? Better still, wipe a pig's arse with it. Yeah, that'll show them!
I have put across an alternative reaction: do nothing. Why does every action have to be met with a reaction? Leave diplomacy to the diplomats
I think it was a brave decision and I support them for doing this.
People might think this was a stupid thing to do, or pettty, however, this news spread
across the world through the internet, and made the news in every major newspaper in Israel.
It has sent out a message to Israel that the world will not forgive them for their treatment
of the Palestinians, and what they did in Gaza last year.
Today marks the 1,000th day of the illegal siege on Gaza. It's time that Governements in the west
stopped bowing down to Israel/US pressure and take a stand like the councillor's in Carrickmacross
did. This siege has to end, for the sake of humanity.
I think the point is being missed here with people going out off their way to dismiss all this.
The point is that the Israeli Ambassador wasn't a guest of Carrickmacross. He was sneaked in behind the back of the Council and the towns people.
The people of Carrickmacross didn't want any record that said he was a guest of the town and decided to removed that record as it was false.
Fair play to them.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 07, 2010, 11:17:18 PM
So what if you are pro-Israeli... like I am??? What does that make me?
Probably a gobshite
Deiseach, you asked specifically what good it does? What specific good would it do to "do nothing". People have "done nothing" about Israeli savagery for too long. You think just leaving diplomacy to the diplomats alone is completely effective? What good has the foreign ministers visit done? This simple act in Carrickmacross was symbolic and was recognised worldwide, and most importantly, in Israel. If you think it does no good fair enough, but did it do harm? Don't under-estimate symbolism.
Quote from: Zapatista on March 08, 2010, 08:20:15 AM
I think the point is being missed here with people going out off their way to dismiss all this.
The point is that the Israeli Ambassador wasn't a guest of Carrickmacross. He was sneaked in behind the back of the Council and the towns people.
The people of Carrickmacross didn't want any record that said he was a guest of the town and decided to removed that record as it was false.
Fair play to them.
No he wasn't. Get the facts before you start posting shite. I work in the building where he visited, the Council are based in offices below us. It was known by the councillors he was visiting, Sinn Fein had a protest the day he arrived and one of their councillors had a very vocal protest. The "picket" consisted of about 20 people tops and included councillors of Sinn fein for Carrickmacross and other nearby towns.
No other councillors attended his visit apart from the Town Mayor and he wasn't invited he was visiting a number of councils throughout Ireland in which he had requested an visit.
The decision to remove the page he had signed was voted on after a stormy council meeting on a vote of 5-4 with Sinn Fein and the Greens voting to remove it.
Matt Carthy
On Wednesday 27th January I received a phone call from a senior council official. He wanted to know what I would think of the council hosting a reception for the Israeli Ambassador to Ireland, at his request. "I think you know what my reaction would be" I replied "I would oppose it and if it were to happen we would mount a protest." I took it from his response that it wouldn't be happening.
Then, at the close of business on Thursday 28th January I received another call from the council - this time to invite me to a civic reception for the said ambassador, Zion Evrony, first thing the next morning.
That sounds to me like the council deliberately made any objection difficult. The result from the motion to remove the page would indicate that the council opposed the invite.
Fair play to SF for organising a protest of 20 people for that morning after only having from the close of business the day before.
Whether he was invited or not is debatable. For me welcoming him and asking him to sign an official guest book amounts to the same thing as an invite.
A FF cllr also voted for the motion.
Would the reactionary have the same attitude to a visit from the US ambassador?
I have little doubt that same objectors would be lining up to grovel and lick the Iraqi blood of his boots.
A visiting ambassador from a sovereign nation should be treated with due respect and the hospitality the place has to offer.
Quote from: Main Street on March 08, 2010, 12:29:12 PM
Would the reactionary have the same attitude to a visit from the US ambassador?
I have little doubt that same objectors would be lining up to grovel and lick the Iraqi blood of his boots.
A visiting ambassador from a sovereign nation should be treated with due respect and the hospitality the place has to offer.
He was treated with the respect due to him.
Quote from: Zapatista on March 08, 2010, 10:21:31 AM
Matt Carthy
On Wednesday 27th January I received a phone call from a senior council official. He wanted to know what I would think of the council hosting a reception for the Israeli Ambassador to Ireland, at his request. "I think you know what my reaction would be" I replied "I would oppose it and if it were to happen we would mount a protest." I took it from his response that it wouldn't be happening.
Then, at the close of business on Thursday 28th January I received another call from the council - this time to invite me to a civic reception for the said ambassador, Zion Evrony, first thing the next morning.
That sounds to me like the council deliberately made any objection difficult. The result from the motion to remove the page would indicate that the council opposed the invite.
Fair play to SF for organising a protest of 20 people for that morning after only having from the close of business the day before.
Whether he was invited or not is debatable. For me welcoming him and asking him to sign an official guest book amounts to the same thing as an invite.
A FF cllr also voted for the motion.
Yes indeed, they must have all understanding bosses who let them off work ;D ;D
Quote from: bingobus on March 08, 2010, 12:45:06 PM
Yes indeed, they must have all understanding bosses who let them off work ;D ;D
Cheap shot.
Main Street, we dont need to have US boots to lick Iraq blood off. The boots of the Irish Government are coverered with Iraq blood since they allow the US killing machines to re fuel in Shannon.
As far as i'm concerned, i'm proud of what these councillor's have done, and i'm also disgusted with Michael Martin who was more annoyed over this than he was with Israel stealing and abusing Irish passports.
On another note, how do people feel about Cement Roadstone Holdings (CRH Plc) supplying cement to the building of the illegal apartheid wall in the West bank in Palestine? Should they be subject to a boycott?
http://www.ipsc.ie/crhdivest/index.html
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on March 08, 2010, 12:37:17 AM
Quote from: deiseach on March 08, 2010, 12:33:24 AM
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on March 08, 2010, 12:30:02 AMActually just wondering what would the pair of you do?
Nothing. A guestbook was signed, leave it signed.
So just let Israel and Mossad take the piss out of our Nation?
Other secret services have faked Irish passports. Will the Councillors treat dignitaries from those countries the same?
Quote from: muppet on March 08, 2010, 03:31:35 PM
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on March 08, 2010, 12:37:17 AM
Quote from: deiseach on March 08, 2010, 12:33:24 AM
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on March 08, 2010, 12:30:02 AMActually just wondering what would the pair of you do?
Nothing. A guestbook was signed, leave it signed.
So just let Israel and Mossad take the piss out of our Nation?
Other secret services have faked Irish passports. Will the Councillors treat dignitaries from those countries the same?
Who and when?
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on March 08, 2010, 03:33:30 PM
Quote from: muppet on March 08, 2010, 03:31:35 PM
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on March 08, 2010, 12:37:17 AM
Quote from: deiseach on March 08, 2010, 12:33:24 AM
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on March 08, 2010, 12:30:02 AMActually just wondering what would the pair of you do?
Nothing. A guestbook was signed, leave it signed.
So just let Israel and Mossad take the piss out of our Nation?
Other secret services have faked Irish passports. Will the Councillors treat dignitaries from those countries the same?
Who and when?
It's a Secret.
Quote from: give her dixie on March 08, 2010, 01:36:32 AM
I think it was a brave decision and I support them for doing this.
People might think this was a stupid thing to do, or pettty, however, this news spread
across the world through the internet, and made the news in every major newspaper in Israel.
It has sent out a message to Israel that the world will not forgive them for their treatment
of the Palestinians, and what they did in Gaza last year.
Today marks the 1,000th day of the illegal siege on Gaza. It's time that Governements in the west
stopped bowing down to Israel/US pressure and take a stand like the councillor's in Carrickmacross
did. This siege has to end, for the sake of humanity.
Yes indeed it is a brave decision. I'm sure their were plenty of dickhead's with stupid comments about the Dunnes stores workers who picketed their shop in Dublin and brought world wide attention to Dunnes importing South African food. However small, the Carrickmacross councilors who took out his siganture did more for the grossly mistreated Palestinan's or any other mistreated people than most of you ever did in your life.
And as for the Zionists making jibes at the country about Father Ted etc, I suppose if Irish public officals made some jibes about a ficticious Rabbi and poor little Isreal we'd never hear the endless calls of " anti Semitism.....anti Semitism.....anti Semitism " ::)
The Father Ted comparison is rather weak to encapsulate such an absurdity, only 'Halls Pictorial Weekly' could do this absurdity any justice.
I have no doubt about the bravery of the Carrick page rippers and that indeed it will go down in the annals alongside the Dunnes Stores picket, international recognition of this bravery will surely follow.
What can we say about Martin McGuinness?
What shall we do with Martin's hand, the hand that dare shook the hand of the other ambassador of Israel, His Excellency Ron Prosor.
(http://nifriendsofisrael.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/belfast___060509_073-first-and-deputy-first-ministers1.jpg?w=450&h=337)
:o
That's a shocking photo. What was the event? What's the book?
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on March 07, 2010, 08:14:48 PM
Considering their actions in Gaza last year and the Passport scandel/murder of Mahmud al-Mabhuh and the fact that they murdered Jesus ( ;)), ripping a page out of a book is the least that could be done to them!
The Romans executed Big JC.....now, you know that, GDA. The Jews' form of execution was stoning, until they got their hands on a few rocket launchers and uranium.
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on March 08, 2010, 12:30:02 AM
Quote from: deiseach on March 07, 2010, 11:30:42 PM
Quote from: Rav67 on March 07, 2010, 11:19:58 PM
Certainly not pro-Israeli myself but this is the sorta nonsense schoolchildren would be at. Hardly the way to make a point about Israeli aggression.
+1
Actually just wondering what would the pair of you do?
+1
A council motion condeming Israel's inertia and lack of openness with Ireland in relation to the passport scandal would surely suffice, rather than such juvenile stupidity as tearing a page from a book.
Rav67 do you think that a council motion expressing disappointment would have made world news and the news in every daily paper in Israel? Get real. This was a symbolic gesture and as such caught people's attention in a way a run of the mill council vote never could.
Would the councillors in Carrickmacross take the same action if a Chinese diplomat signed their guestbook? China's human rights record is poor and their occupation of Tibet is widely condemned.
What about Iran, Burma or North Korea?
They've now set themselves up to be adjudicators on global politics, so they'd want to draw up a set of guidelines on who can and can't sign their book.
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on March 09, 2010, 03:44:56 PM
Would the councillors in Carrickmacross take the same action if a Chinese diplomat signed their guestbook? China's human rights record is poor and their occupation of Tibet is widely condemned.
What about Iran, Burma or North Korea?
They've now set themselves up to be adjudicators on global politics, so they'd want to draw up a set of guidelines on who can and can't sign their book.
Thats my thing on the Palestine occupation. There are many similar or worse situations as this in the world but this is the one that the sinners have latched onto. Is there a reason for this? Why isn't these other nations openly boycotted by them and similar protests carried out.
By the way, I'm no supporter of Isreal, far from it, I just find the links to this particular struggle strange. Or is it historic connections ;)
Quote from: give her dixie on March 08, 2010, 01:36:32 AM
I think it was a brave decision and I support them for doing this.
People might think this was a stupid thing to do, or pettty, however, this news spread
across the world through the internet, and made the news in every major newspaper in Israel.
It has sent out a message to Israel that the world will not forgive them for their treatment
of the Palestinians, and what they did in Gaza last year.
That may be so dixie - but do you think for one second the ordinary israeli has done anything other than laugh at the fact that some eejits in Ireland tore a page out of a town hall guest book?
It's an embarrassing action, which doesnt really tell the world anything, except that we like a good barney as much as the next man and are ultimately thick. Which is a stereotype we already have.
Nally Stand - Id suggest it has caught peoples attention in much the same way as mooning at them out the back of a bus does. Stupid, childless, and ultimately pointless.
As an act of symbolism it is fine but it needs to be followed up by some sort of action otherwise its a bit empty.
A colleague of mine is currently out in the West Bank at the minute. He sent an e-mail describing what things are like on the ground. here's a few bits from it.
QuoteOutside of Jerusalem, Palestine can be difficult to move around - the cattle shed like checkpoints, the curtailed bus journeys and the thirty foot high concrete wall ridiculously dubbed a "fence" by the Israeli authorities.
The farm now known as the Tent of Nations has been owned and run by the same Palestinian family since 1916. The deeds and paperwork are all there to prove ownership; yet periodically land at the periphery is confiscated or made inaccessible by the Israeli authorities - even the main route to the farm and the nearby Palestinian village has been blocked with large rocks and there is a lawsuit in train to establish once and for all the right of the family to the land.
Overlooked from two sides by settlements under construction (in spite of the promised 10 month moratorium on settlement building in the occupied territories) and a prominent watchtower emblazoned with the Star of David, it?s impossible to forget the implicit claim that we are in Israel, not Palestine, and that but for their peaceful resistance, encapsulated in the words painted on a rock at the entrance to the farm: "We refuse to be enemies", Palestine would cease to exist, at least in this place.
The land I'm looking at is a jigsaw which doesn't fit together: a double layered country, where one set of people cannot use roads built for another, enclaves for one group are gouged from deep within the land formerly controlled by the other, rights and privileges applied to one, such as the right to build a house and construct utilities to it, but denied to the other. Spatially alone, there is no logic to the developing situation, other than this: given time Israel will occupy and settle the entirety of the West Bank, or such a large proportion of it that a remnant of Palestine is no longer viable; and there is nothing which anyone outside the Israeli government can do about it.
Awful lot of hysteria here. Between people going out of their way to play it down and other to play it up we are making a mountain out of a mole hill with both looking ridiculous.
The town council didn't want a record of the ambassador being an official guest in the town so they removed his name. Rather than use tip-ex the removed the page. It's no more and no less than that. If any of the posters here are offended by that then I think they are trying hard to be offended. If any think it's a strike against Israel by Ireland then they are deluded.
Bring back bird flu.
Once again Israel breaks the Hague treaty by announcing today that another 1600 homes are to be built in the West Bank. Palestine as a nation is almost finished and their ethnic cleansing complete by the Zionists. A Country that 80 years ago owned all their land are now down to less than 10%. The deplorable conditions that they live in are a humanitarian crisis with the average person making less than $6 dollars a day. What is happening now in Palestine is the same as what happened the red man in North America. They the Palestinians are walled in. Movement a round the camp is restricted by constant searches and road blocks. Sick people can't get to hospitals. Caissons are being put into the ground so they can't tunnel their way out. Watch towers are dotted along their boundaries. The navy patrol the sea a round Gaza. Drones fill the air monitoring their every movement. This is a tactic by Israel to make the quality of life for people unbearable and it is no surprise to read that almost 85% of Palestinians have contemplated suicide or have little desire to live.
People that say why do we take more interest in Palestine as opposed to other conflicts a round the world? Then ask yourself, why dose America donate more money to this state than the continent of South America and the Continent of Africa combined. My answer would be the lobbing system in America which is completely flawed is being used and exploited to its max by power full Zionist groups in the USA such as A.I.P.A.C.. If a resolution is not found soon we could see potentially a very horrible war that will suck in other Countries from a round the planet. This could be a disaster for is all. Not that it isn't for the people of Palestine currently.
I disagree with people who play down the incident in Carrickmacross. Just google the incident, most news papers a round the world have ran the story. It was symbolic in nature. For a humble Country like Ireland I will take that, that some people will stand up for the down trodden makes me feel better a bout the situation. Especial when an evil vindictive organization who use Irish peoples passports to kill other people for their own selfish gain. Unfortunately some people can't see past their noses and decided to use the incident as a Sinn Fein bashing exercise but conveniently forget that there was other political parties who voted to remove "hitlers" name from the guest book.
Quote from: SuperMac on March 07, 2010, 07:12:37 PM
Carrickmacross Councillors removed a page signed by the Israeli ambassador. Well fair play to them I say. Appearently it was supported by Sinn Fein, a Green and a Fianna Fail councilor. However Foreign Affairs minister Micheal Martin criticised the council's decision but then what else would you expect from mega hypocrite in the Dail.
Obviusly the blueshirts didn't support it but then they have a histroy of admiring fascism like Franco's gang in the Spainish civil war so naturally they would be fans of the zionist state.
Go back to your cave Mary Lou, a SHINNER is a SHINNER.
I know my own spelling is very poor but at least I can spell Isr
ael :P
Quote from: deiseach on March 07, 2010, 11:30:42 PM
Quote from: Rav67 on March 07, 2010, 11:19:58 PM
Certainly not pro-Israeli myself but this is the sorta nonsense schoolchildren would be at. Hardly the way to make a point about Israeli aggression.
+1
+1 aris
This is how this was reported in Israel
(http://primetime.unrealitytv.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/fatherted.jpg)
a great blow for the Irish nation, and the Peace loving Palestinians and Israelis.
I despise the Israeli hawks, security services, mossad and Islamic terrorists equally.
And a blueshirt is a blueshirt.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on March 09, 2010, 06:58:08 PM
Certainly not pro-Israeli myself but this is the sorta nonsense schoolchildren would be at. Hardly the way to make a point about Israeli aggression.
Let me make it simpe for ye,
A local thug steals 10 cars and robs ten old people. He then he calls to your door and asks you for a cup of tea. You tell him no as he is a local thug. I then say to you "that was an embarassment, he steals ten cars and robs ten old people and you show your disgust by refusing him a cup of tea. It was hardly worth your while you should have just give him a cup of tea!."
Quote from: Zapatista on March 09, 2010, 07:22:04 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on March 09, 2010, 06:58:08 PM
Certainly not pro-Israeli myself but this is the sorta nonsense schoolchildren would be at. Hardly the way to make a point about Israeli aggression.
Let me make it simpe for ye,
A local thug steals 10 cars and robs ten old people. He then he calls to your door and asks you for a cup of tea. You tell him no as he is a local thug. I then say to you "that was an embarassment, he steals ten cars and robs ten old people and you show your disgust by refusing him a cup of tea. It was hardly worth your while you should have just give him a cup of tea!."
+1 the gesture was a complete waste of time, the Irish government, diplomats, passport office & security services should be hounding Israel about this, not the rent a mob crew acting like children as usual.
Quote from: Nally Stand on March 09, 2010, 07:16:31 PM
And a blueshirt is a blueshirt.
I noticed in the Irish Independent today that someone pointed out Mary Lou was bemoaning the fact that others called them Shinners, yet she proceeded in her next sentence to call Labour and Fine Gael, Blueshirts and Stickies. I would also add that they call the SDLP stoopers.
Sinn Fein calling Fine Gaelers Blueshirts is more akin to Fine Gaelers calling Sinn Feiners Terrorists than calling them Shinners. Must be noted the so called Blueshirts where only ever a tiny minority of those that went on to make up Fine Gael. I would be more than confident that there are more Terrorists/ex-Terrorists in Sinn Fein than ex-Blueshirts in Fine Gael. Not to mention the bank robbers and Garda killers.
Quote from: Zapatista on March 09, 2010, 07:22:04 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on March 09, 2010, 06:58:08 PM
Certainly not pro-Israeli myself but this is the sorta nonsense schoolchildren would be at. Hardly the way to make a point about Israeli aggression.
Let me make it simpe for ye,
A local thug steals 10 cars and robs ten old people. He then he calls to your door and asks you for a cup of tea. You tell him no as he is a local thug. I then say to you "that was an embarassment, he steals ten cars and robs ten old people and you show your disgust by refusing him a cup of tea. It was hardly worth your while you should have just give him a cup of tea!."
Zap, I know it's not the point you are trying to make but your example shows the utter pointlessness of the exercise either way.
Mary Lou is a **** and a ****.
She called to our door one time in Belfast. The shock on her face when she was politely to f**k right off was hilarious.
Quote from: muppet on March 09, 2010, 07:45:46 PM
Zap, I know it's not the point you are trying to make but your example shows the utter pointlessness of the exercise either way.
It shows that he did all that would be expected of him and that I was being unreasonable.
Quote from: gallsman on March 09, 2010, 07:47:30 PM
Mary Lou is a **** and a ****.
She called to our door one time in Belfast. The shock on her face when she was politely to f**k right off was hilarious.
Different type of politness from what I learnt as a boy.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on March 09, 2010, 07:31:39 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on March 09, 2010, 07:16:31 PM
And a blueshirt is a blueshirt.
I noticed in the Irish Independent today that someone pointed out Mary Lou was bemoaning the fact that others called them Shinners, yet she proceeded in her next sentence to call Labour and Fine Gael, Blueshirts and Stickies. I would also add that they call the SDLP stoopers.
Sinn Fein calling Fine Gaelers Blueshirts is more akin to Fine Gaelers calling Sinn Feiners Terrorists than calling them Shinners. Must be noted the so called Blueshirts where only ever a tiny minority of those that went on to make up Fine Gael. I would be more than confident that there are more Terrorists/ex-Terrorists in Sinn Fein than ex-Blueshirts in Fine Gael. Not to mention the bank robbers and Garda killers.
Listen inda, your trying to spin here, tiny minority my hole, Cumann na nGaedheal were getting royally ass whipped in 1930's Ireland both at the ballot box and at various mass rallies round the country that were disrupted, O'Duffy founded the Army comrades association and organised them along paramilitary lines which were common in Europe at the time, the Roman salute was the greeting of these blueshirts, same as another European national party at that time but lets not go there. Anyway eventually the blueshirts were deemed a proscribed organisation by De Velara and out of the ashes came Fine Geal,with the majority of recently disbanded blueshirts joining Fine Geal indeed General Eoin O'Duffy was the first leader, so don't Inda, don't try and spin us a line here that fine geal is whiter than white, they as much as any party in Ireland with the exception of the greens were born with a gun in their hands.
Quote from: Zapatista on March 09, 2010, 06:24:27 PM
Awful lot of hysteria here. Between people going out of their way to play it down and other to play it up we are making a mountain out of a mole hill with both looking ridiculous.
The town council didn't want a record of the ambassador being an official guest in the town so they removed his name. Rather than use tip-ex the removed the page. It's no more and no less than that. If any of the posters here are offended by that then I think they are trying hard to be offended. If any think it's a strike against Israel by Ireland then they are deluded.
Bring back bird flu.
Regardless of what side of the fence you're on, let's call a spade a spade. It was a gesture. It was designed to make a stand and attract publicity.
Quote from: Maguire01 on March 09, 2010, 09:21:08 PM
Quote from: Zapatista on March 09, 2010, 06:24:27 PM
Awful lot of hysteria here. Between people going out of their way to play it down and other to play it up we are making a mountain out of a mole hill with both looking ridiculous.
The town council didn't want a record of the ambassador being an official guest in the town so they removed his name. Rather than use tip-ex the removed the page. It's no more and no less than that. If any of the posters here are offended by that then I think they are trying hard to be offended. If any think it's a strike against Israel by Ireland then they are deluded.
Bring back bird flu.
Regardless of what side of the fence you're on, let's call a spade a spade. It was a gesture. It was designed to make a stand and attract publicity.
If that's the case then it was really a huge success.
Well folks, this day last year, March 9th, I crossed the Rafah border into Gaza and witnessed sights that will stay with me forever. Those sights changed my life, and until my last breath, I will support and champion the cause of the Palestinians.
What they have had to endure for over 60 years in just unbelievable. Here is a link to the damage I witnessed and recorded in Gaza http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKOellc4DVE
In the past year I have been following the news there very closely. What goes on there in a daily basis is unreal.
F16's fly over Gaza almost every day, and every week or so, they bomb a tunnel or two. When I was there in early January, they bombed an area close to where I was, killing 1, and killing 2 at the tunnels. That is the reality there, and the world justs sits silent. Practically all the children there live in a terrified state, and the sound and sight of F16's freaks them out. Less than 20% of the food needed on a daily basis gets through, according to John Ging of UNRA.
Politicians come and go to Gaza, and to the west bank. They come home, make a bit of noise and then they get back to doing what they are told by Israel and the US. What western Government has imposed any form of sanctions on Israel following the massacre in Gaza last year? Have any of them threated to close their embassy if they are found guilty of forging passports? Will Ireland continue to spend millions of their military budget on equipment made in Israel?
The land grabs, the evictions, the settlements, the internment and murder of innocents among other things that goes on in the West Bank are also crimes against humanity. Plus, Cement Roadstone supplies the cement into these illegal settlements and worst of all, the illegal Apartheid Wall. For an Irish company to build and profit from these settlements and the wall is a complete disgrace and an embarrasment.
So, for Carrickmacross council to acknowledge these injustices and remove the ambassadors name is a step that has my full support. Fair play to them for having the courage to do it. The message was indeed symbolic, and it made serious news not only in Israel, but across the world. I don't care what Israel thinks about us over this, and they can make Fr Ted jokes all day long. It just shows them up for what they are. I can tell you this much, there are millions of Palestinians who are proud of the councillors for their actions.
For anyone else who think that human rights in Iran, China, Tibet or wherever else, are just as important, I agree. However, I am focussed on the Palestinian cause for now. So, in the meantime, if any of you feel strongly enough about them, I will give you my full support in any way I can in your work for them.
Below is a link to an Indy Media article about how the Gardi and an Israeli security man, possibly Mossad, followed a friend of mine yesterday in Dublin and harassed her. Read the story please.
http://www.indymedia.ie/article/96003
I hope your friend has better luck getting answers from this than I did from the department for a similar incident in 06.
Again, has the Minister no question to ask regarding Mossad operating in ireland?
Quote from: Zapatista on March 09, 2010, 09:22:55 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on March 09, 2010, 09:21:08 PM
Quote from: Zapatista on March 09, 2010, 06:24:27 PM
Awful lot of hysteria here. Between people going out of their way to play it down and other to play it up we are making a mountain out of a mole hill with both looking ridiculous.
The town council didn't want a record of the ambassador being an official guest in the town so they removed his name. Rather than use tip-ex the removed the page. It's no more and no less than that. If any of the posters here are offended by that then I think they are trying hard to be offended. If any think it's a strike against Israel by Ireland then they are deluded.
Bring back bird flu.
Regardless of what side of the fence you're on, let's call a spade a spade. It was a gesture. It was designed to make a stand and attract publicity.
If that's the case then it was really a huge success.
I wouldn't credit the design of the protest as having that amount of foresight.
The publicity it attracted was more to do with the accidental absurdity, in the same vein as that deranged cleric who attacked a marathon runner in the Olympics.
Quote from: Main Street on March 09, 2010, 11:46:50 PM
I wouldn't credit the design of the protest as having that amount of foresight.
The publicity it attracted was more to do with the accidental absurdity, in the same vein as that deranged cleric who attacked a marathon runner in the Olympics.
Or going for a point and hitting the back of the net.
Time for some dessert?
try some
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Quote from: Zapatista on March 09, 2010, 07:49:37 PM
Different type of politness from what I learnt as a boy.
Maybe you shouldn't take everything too literally. I stand by calling her a **** and a ****.
well fair play to carrickmacross standing up to the isreali war machine. i bet isreal are quaking. whats next you are going to stop using blue pens on white paper??
catch on will ya!
its just anothee publicity stunt by sinn fein!!
Quote from: bucketamail on March 11, 2010, 02:51:22 PM
well fair play to carrickmacross standing up to the isreali war machine. i bet isreal are quaking. whats next you are going to stop using blue pens on white paper??
catch on will ya!
its just anothee cheap publicity stunt by sinn fein!!
Fixed that for ya
Quote from: bucketamail on March 11, 2010, 02:51:22 PM
well fair play to carrickmacross standing up to the isreali war machine. i bet isreal are quaking. whats next you are going to stop using blue pens on white paper??
catch on will ya!
its just anothee publicity stunt by sinn fein!!
Every gesture helps... like the woman in Dunnes who wouldn't handle goods from South Africa because of apartheid... if there were gestures like this and the Israeli ministers were shunned everywhere in the world they went, it would all help and show solidarity to the Palestinians.
As Bobby Sands said, "Everyone, Republican or otherwise, has their own particular part to play. No part is too great or too small; no one is too old or too young to do something."
Quote from: longrunsthefox on March 12, 2010, 12:06:18 AM
Quote from: bucketamail on March 11, 2010, 02:51:22 PM
well fair play to carrickmacross standing up to the isreali war machine. i bet isreal are quaking. whats next you are going to stop using blue pens on white paper??
catch on will ya!
its just anothee publicity stunt by sinn fein!!
Every gesture helps... like the woman in Dunnes who wouldn't handle goods from South Africa because of apartheid... if there were gestures like this and the Israeli ministers were shunned everywhere in the world they went, it would all help and show solidarity to the Palestinians.
As Bobby Sands said, "Everyone, Republican or otherwise, has their own particular part to play. No part is too great or too small; no one is too old or too young to do something."
100% agree, even the smallest gesture will have an effect.
And to all the lads who said this was a stupid/fruitless exercise, think of the Palestines who hear about this small gesture, it will give them hope and remind them that there are people out there that are thinking about them.
Agree completely. Some of ye lads need to get over your bitterness for SF and think how this action would be viewed by the Palestinians. Did anyone claim it would have Israel quaking in it's boots? No. Did it send out a message to Israel that made every daily newspaper there? Yes. If you think it wouldn't help then fine but it does sweet F.A. harm so what's the problem. Or is it just because it was SF backed and you cannot see past that in your aul bitterness?
Quote from: Nally Stand on March 12, 2010, 05:09:59 AM
Agree completely. Some of ye lads need to get over your bitterness for SF and think how this action would be viewed by the Palestinians. Did anyone claim it would have Israel quaking in it's boots? No. Did it send out a message to Israel that made every daily newspaper there? Yes. If you think it wouldn't help then fine but it does sweet F.A. harm so what's the problem. Or is it just because it was SF backed and you cannot see past that in your aul bitterness?
God forbid that anyone would have a different opinion, especially on something so monumental as tearing a page out of a guest book in Carrickmacross.
I'm off to bitterness anonymous now.
Marty had no problems shaking hands with the Israeli Ambassador at Stormont last year. I wonder is there a visitors book up on the hill that he had to sign.
(http://www.swp.ie/images/sf-israel.jpg)
http://www.swp.ie/index.php?page=374&dept=News&title=Northern+Ireland+friends+of+Israel
That picture has already been uploaded on this thread.
Marty understands and appreciates the diplomatic protocol while maintaining substantial objections to a nation's warmongering.
He accords the Ambassador all the due respect as a representative of the Israeli people.
I see no hypocrisy there in his action.
The Carrick councillors had a choice to accord the Israeli ambassador to Ireland the same respect while maintaining a fundamental opposition to Israeli policy towards the Palestinians.
One should also be aware of the fact that in the Gaza strip, Hamas rule the area with an iron fist. groups patrol Gaza and are not afraid to exact excessive force on their people for stepping out of line.
Quote from: bucketamail on March 12, 2010, 11:43:05 AM
One should also be aware of the fact that in the Gaza strip, Hamas rule the area with an iron fist. groups patrol Gaza and are not afraid to exact excessive force on their people for stepping out of line.
Have you any comprehension of whats actually happening over there, or have you just read a piece in the Daily Mail about Hamas, try reading the thread, actually just read below.
Well folks, this day last year, March 9th, I crossed the Rafah border into Gaza and witnessed sights that will stay with me forever. Those sights changed my life, and until my last breath, I will support and champion the cause of the Palestinians.
What they have had to endure for over 60 years in just unbelievable. Here is a link to the damage I witnessed and recorded in Gaza http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKOellc4DVE
In the past year I have been following the news there very closely. What goes on there in a daily basis is unreal.
F16's fly over Gaza almost every day, and every week or so, they bomb a tunnel or two. When I was there in early January, they bombed an area close to where I was, killing 1, and killing 2 at the tunnels. That is the reality there, and the world justs sits silent. Practically all the children there live in a terrified state, and the sound and sight of F16's freaks them out. Less than 20% of the food needed on a daily basis gets through, according to John Ging of UNRA.
Politicians come and go to Gaza, and to the west bank. They come home, make a bit of noise and then they get back to doing what they are told by Israel and the US. What western Government has imposed any form of sanctions on Israel following the massacre in Gaza last year? Have any of them threated to close their embassy if they are found guilty of forging passports? Will Ireland continue to spend millions of their military budget on equipment made in Israel?
The land grabs, the evictions, the settlements, the internment and murder of innocents among other things that goes on in the West Bank are also crimes against humanity. Plus, Cement Roadstone supplies the cement into these illegal settlements and worst of all, the illegal Apartheid Wall. For an Irish company to build and profit from these settlements and the wall is a complete disgrace and an embarrasment.
So, for Carrickmacross council to acknowledge these injustices and remove the ambassadors name is a step that has my full support. Fair play to them for having the courage to do it. The message was indeed symbolic, and it made serious news not only in Israel, but across the world. I don't care what Israel thinks about us over this, and they can make Fr Ted jokes all day long. It just shows them up for what they are. I can tell you this much, there are millions of Palestinians who are proud of the councillors for their actions.
For anyone else who think that human rights in Iran, China, Tibet or wherever else, are just as important, I agree. However, I am focussed on the Palestinian cause for now. So, in the meantime, if any of you feel strongly enough about them, I will give you my full support in any way I can in your work for them.
Below is a link to an Indy Media article about how the Gardi and an Israeli security man, possibly Mossad, followed a friend of mine yesterday in Dublin and harassed her. Read the story please.
http://www.indymedia.ie/article/96003