Just this week the bigwigs at the AFL have taken a dig at the Australian soccer body (FFA) in its bid to get the 2018 or 2022 World Cup. That got me thinking - would any future successful bid by Ireland (in whatever form, ie. alone - not in my lifetime, or as a joint effort) be greated by the GAA in the same light? What d'ya reckon/
AFL letter raises World Cup concernsROGER VAUGHAN
December 8, 2009 - 7:44PM
AAP
The AFL are concerned a soccer World Cup in Australia could affect their competition for up to two years.
In a letter sent to Football Federation Australia (FFA) chief executive Ben Buckley, AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou wrote of the league's "extreme disappointment" with the information it has received about the Cup bid.
But the FFA have hit back, saying they have met with the AFL more than a dozen times in the last 20 months.
An FFA spokesperson said it was "hard to understand" why the league is raising issues in the media.
On Monday, Demetriou said an entire AFL season could be lost if Australia hosted the World Cup in 2018 or 2022.
Demetriou sent the letter to Buckley on November 24 and the 16 club presidents have also seen a copy.
In the letter, Demetriou says the AFL could have to shut down for at least 10 weeks.
He also speculates about Australia hosting soccer's Confederations Cup the year before the World Cup.
"Therefore the FFA cannot guarantee that the impact on the AFL, clubs and their supporters will not be over two years instead of one as originally advised by the FFA," Demetriou said.
The FFA have confirmed Australia would host the Confederations Cup as a warm-up for the World Cup.
"It has minimal impact on the other codes - but great benefit for Australia," the federation said.
They also confirmed the FFA had received the AFL letter, but questioned how the league was reacting to the World Cup bid.
"Considering we have met 14 times with the AFL in the past 20 months, it is hard to understand why they are raising these issues in the media rather than at a meeting," an FFA spokesperson said.
The AFL letter is scathing of the FFA at times and raises a series of questions about aspects of the bid.
"The AFL wishes to place on record its extreme disappointment with the lack of accurate and consistent information from the FFA on the implications of the World Cup on the AFL," Demetriou wrote.
"This lack of clear information and what appears to be indifference and frankly, reluctance to help the AFL ... is frustrating particularly given the AFL has a strong history of working with other codes and sports to accommodate major events."
The FFA have confirmed their options for World Cup venues also include Etihad Stadium, but strongly denied an AFL query about whether soccer would want to take over the league's offices for the World Cup.
"This has not even been considered," the spokesperson said.
Why would the AFL need to shut down? They own the majority of their own grounds don't they?
Quote from: Gnevin on December 08, 2009, 11:22:13 AM
Why would the AFL need to shut down? They own the majority of their own grounds don't they?
No - some of the Melbourne clubs like Geelong and Richmond have their own grounds, but they don'y play all of their games there. Not sure about Perth based teams owning Subiaco? Sydney play primarily at the Sydney Cricket Ground, Brisbane at the Gabba (cricket also)
All big AFL games in Melbourne are played at the Melbourne Cricket ground and the now named Etihad stadium
In Perth the Western Australian Football Commission own Subiaco stadium. It only holds 43K at a squeeze. I think the big concern is the threat that four unspecified Vic clubs could go bankrupt if they don't play, perhaps Hawthorn, Richmond, Melbourne and Western Bulldogs.
Quote from: stephenite on December 08, 2009, 11:25:30 AM
Quote from: Gnevin on December 08, 2009, 11:22:13 AM
Why would the AFL need to shut down? They own the majority of their own grounds don't they?
No - some of the Melbourne clubs like Geelong and Richmond have their own grounds, but they don'y play all of their games there. Not sure about Perth based teams owning Subiaco? Sydney play primarily at the Sydney Cricket Ground, Brisbane at the Gabba (cricket also)
All big AFL games in Melbourne are played at the Melbourne Cricket ground and the now named Etihad stadium
Would FIFA accepts ovals ? I doubt it .
Quote from: Gnevin on December 08, 2009, 11:40:37 AM
Quote from: stephenite on December 08, 2009, 11:25:30 AM
Quote from: Gnevin on December 08, 2009, 11:22:13 AM
Why would the AFL need to shut down? They own the majority of their own grounds don't they?
No - some of the Melbourne clubs like Geelong and Richmond have their own grounds, but they don'y play all of their games there. Not sure about Perth based teams owning Subiaco? Sydney play primarily at the Sydney Cricket Ground, Brisbane at the Gabba (cricket also)
All big AFL games in Melbourne are played at the Melbourne Cricket ground and the now named Etihad stadium
Would FIFA accepts ovals ? I doubt it .
I suppose you can't get a rectangle out of an oval ::)
Quote from: JohnDenver on December 08, 2009, 11:55:17 AM
Quote from: Gnevin on December 08, 2009, 11:40:37 AM
Quote from: stephenite on December 08, 2009, 11:25:30 AM
Quote from: Gnevin on December 08, 2009, 11:22:13 AM
Why would the AFL need to shut down? They own the majority of their own grounds don't they?
No - some of the Melbourne clubs like Geelong and Richmond have their own grounds, but they don'y play all of their games there. Not sure about Perth based teams owning Subiaco? Sydney play primarily at the Sydney Cricket Ground, Brisbane at the Gabba (cricket also)
All big AFL games in Melbourne are played at the Melbourne Cricket ground and the now named Etihad stadium
Would FIFA accepts ovals ? I doubt it .
I suppose you can't get a rectangle out of an oval ::)
Did I say that you couldn't ? The people would be miles from the pitch, hardly what they want for the most important tournament they have.
Fancy watching a game here ?
(http://www.rayzor.com.au/MCG.JPG)
Quote from: Gnevin on December 08, 2009, 12:09:17 PM
Quote from: JohnDenver on December 08, 2009, 11:55:17 AM
Quote from: Gnevin on December 08, 2009, 11:40:37 AM
Quote from: stephenite on December 08, 2009, 11:25:30 AM
Quote from: Gnevin on December 08, 2009, 11:22:13 AM
Why would the AFL need to shut down? They own the majority of their own grounds don't they?
No - some of the Melbourne clubs like Geelong and Richmond have their own grounds, but they don'y play all of their games there. Not sure about Perth based teams owning Subiaco? Sydney play primarily at the Sydney Cricket Ground, Brisbane at the Gabba (cricket also)
All big AFL games in Melbourne are played at the Melbourne Cricket ground and the now named Etihad stadium
Would FIFA accepts ovals ? I doubt it .
I suppose you can't get a rectangle out of an oval ::)
Did I say that you couldn't ? The people would be miles from the pitch, hardly what they want for the most important tournament they have.
Fancy watching a game here ?
(http://www.rayzor.com.au/MCG.JPG)
Aye wouldn't mind watching a game there, looks like a good spot.
As for being miles from the pitch - Soccer in Croke Park.
Quote from: JohnDenver on December 08, 2009, 12:17:18 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on December 08, 2009, 12:09:17 PM
Quote from: JohnDenver on December 08, 2009, 11:55:17 AM
Quote from: Gnevin on December 08, 2009, 11:40:37 AM
Quote from: stephenite on December 08, 2009, 11:25:30 AM
Quote from: Gnevin on December 08, 2009, 11:22:13 AM
Why would the AFL need to shut down? They own the majority of their own grounds don't they?
No - some of the Melbourne clubs like Geelong and Richmond have their own grounds, but they don'y play all of their games there. Not sure about Perth based teams owning Subiaco? Sydney play primarily at the Sydney Cricket Ground, Brisbane at the Gabba (cricket also)
All big AFL games in Melbourne are played at the Melbourne Cricket ground and the now named Etihad stadium
Would FIFA accepts ovals ? I doubt it .
I suppose you can't get a rectangle out of an oval ::)
Did I say that you couldn't ? The people would be miles from the pitch, hardly what they want for the most important tournament they have.
Fancy watching a game here ?
Aye wouldn't mind watching a game there, looks like a good spot.
As for being miles from the pitch - Soccer in Croke Park.
The FAI can play where they want ,I doubt FIFA would use ovals for the World cup. I could be wrong however.
What about the Rugby League or Union stadiums, couldn't they not accomodate soccer much easier. Is there enough of them?
Surely between the 4 codes they could accomodate a WC. Although from what I've read, the NRL seem to be a bit reluctant to co-operate with the AFL on anything.
Success of Irish Rugby in 2009 hasn't had a profound effect on the GAA in Ireland. Can't imagine the 2018 or 2022 World Cup would have a big impact on the AFL.
Sure alot of the older grounds have an athletics track around them, including the venue for the last World Cup final. Also a number of grounds at 2002 and 2006 world cups, as well as Euro 2008, including the final venue had an athletics track around them. Didn't seem to bother FIFA or UEFA too much then so shouldn't in the future.
In answer to the original question, I dont think there'd be any objections from the GAA if the soccer world cup was comng to Ireland - soccer is well supported here, and it'd be pretty counter productive to be coming out against what would be an amazing event (a bit like scheduling that donegal game at the same time as a world cup match a few years ago).
From the aussies point of view however, most of them have little interest in it: I suppose it would be like the rugby league world cup coming here; most people wouldnt be bothered, and probably would be annoyed at the disruption as much as been welcoming. In those circumstances I could certainly see less cooperation between the GAA and the organisers - it all usually comes down to keeping on the right side of public perception anyway...
If they stop playing AFL for two years, lets start knicking their players ;D
AFL is the enemy.
What if they aren't good drivers? Would you still want them?
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on December 08, 2009, 02:37:59 PM
What if they aren't good drivers? Would you still want them?
Christ your right, Aussies are woefull drivers, at their give way signs (yield) they just swing on to the road in an arched type approach, pure madness and the oncoming traffic does not slow, so many near missus on buses and cars drove by Aussies I was in. Of course I obeyed the rules of the road when I was driving myself.
Aussies NEVER indicate on roundabouts, wtf is that about.
Melbourne has retarded pedestrian lights, where the pedestrian has 7.5 seconds to cross and once it goes flashing lights cars can also pass over the pedestrian crossing. Cars get about 5 minutes to move compared to 7.5 seconds, bloody hell.
They have legal U-turns!!!
The biggest laugh is adverts on their tv telling people that they should not cross train-crossings while the gates are down, Im bloody serious. They have so many accidents this way its unbelivable. Their gates are only half gates unlike out full gates so you can weave through them (while a 5 kilometre long train tunnels down on you) feckn eejits.
>:(
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on December 08, 2009, 02:51:11 PM
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on December 08, 2009, 02:37:59 PM
What if they aren't good drivers? Would you still want them?
Christ your right, Aussies are woefull drivers, at their give way signs (yield) they just swing on to the road in an arched type approach, pure madness and the oncoming traffic does not slow, so many near missus on buses and cars drove by Aussies I was in. Of course I obeyed the rules of the road when I was driving myself.
Aussies NEVER indicate on roundabouts, wtf is that about.
Melbourne has retarded pedestrian lights, where the pedestrian has 7.5 seconds to cross and once it goes flashing lights cars can also pass over the pedestrian crossing. Cars get about 5 minutes to move compared to 7.5 seconds, bloody hell.
They have legal U-turns!!!
The biggest laugh is adverts on their tv telling people that they should not cross train-crossings while the gates are down, Im bloody serious. They have so many accidents this way its unbelivable. Their gates are only half gates unlike out full gates so you can weave through them (while a 5 kilometre long train tunnels down on you) feckn eejits.
>:(
Norms the name, sensibles the game! :D
Quote from: haranguerer on December 08, 2009, 04:10:27 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on December 08, 2009, 02:51:11 PM
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on December 08, 2009, 02:37:59 PM
What if they aren't good drivers? Would you still want them?
Christ your right, Aussies are woefull drivers, at their give way signs (yield) they just swing on to the road in an arched type approach, pure madness and the oncoming traffic does not slow, so many near missus on buses and cars drove by Aussies I was in. Of course I obeyed the rules of the road when I was driving myself.
Aussies NEVER indicate on roundabouts, wtf is that about.
Melbourne has retarded pedestrian lights, where the pedestrian has 7.5 seconds to cross and once it goes flashing lights cars can also pass over the pedestrian crossing. Cars get about 5 minutes to move compared to 7.5 seconds, bloody hell.
They have legal U-turns!!!
The biggest laugh is adverts on their tv telling people that they should not cross train-crossings while the gates are down, Im bloody serious. They have so many accidents this way its unbelivable. Their gates are only half gates unlike out full gates so you can weave through them (while a 5 kilometre long train tunnels down on you) feckn eejits.
>:(
Norms the name, sensibles the game! :D
Don't worry I will kill myself by ignoring warnings about binge drinking, having sly smokes when drinking and eating too much red meat. ;)
gnevin, hows your website going? any new members at all at all?
Quote from: Gnevin on December 08, 2009, 05:59:49 PM
..... Irish Rugby. Professionalism has created success but also created the 4 provinces we know today,
I think you'll find that the 4 Provinces have been around a lot longer than that.
Or do you think the world only began when Ahern/McCreevy/Tony O'Reilly invented the Celtic Tiger :D
As for the FAI having the Soccer world cup in Ireland ...FFS ::)
Quote from: Rossfan on December 08, 2009, 06:24:47 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on December 08, 2009, 05:59:49 PM
..... Irish Rugby. Professionalism has created success but also created the 4 provinces we know today,
I think you'll find that the 4 Provinces have been around a lot longer than that.
Or do you think the world only began when Ahern/McCreevy/Tony O'Reilly invented the Celtic Tiger :D
For idiots like you who think they are being smart read. The 4 province who now play in Europe and Magners League. Who draw 16,000 + plus week in week out.
The four provinces have been around for hundreds of years.
As for rugby ....I doubt if there were any 16,000 crowds looking at the team called "Connacht"
Quote from: Rossfan on December 08, 2009, 06:31:45 PM
The four provinces have been around for hundreds of years.
As for rugby ....I doubt if there were any 16,000 crowds looking at the team called "Connacht"
Yawn. ::)
Quote from: stew on December 08, 2009, 06:01:50 PM
gnevin, hows your website going? any new members at all at all?
Moon full tonight?
Quote from: Gnevin on December 08, 2009, 06:34:40 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 08, 2009, 06:31:45 PM
The four provinces have been around for hundreds of years.
As for rugby ....I doubt if there were any 16,000 crowds looking at the team called "Connacht"
Yawn. ::)
So how many 16,000 crowds did the rugby team called "Connacht" get? :-*
Quote from: Rossfan on December 08, 2009, 06:37:15 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on December 08, 2009, 06:34:40 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 08, 2009, 06:31:45 PM
The four provinces have been around for hundreds of years.
As for rugby ....I doubt if there were any 16,000 crowds looking at the team called "Connacht"
Yawn. ::)
So how many 16,000 crowds did the rugby team called "Connacht" get? :-*
I believe they sell out every game. Hottest ticket in the west. In fact as the show grounds only holds 5,000 they sell every ticket 3 times or more .
Quote from: Gnevin on December 08, 2009, 06:39:57 PM
In fact as the show grounds only holds 5,000 they sell every ticket 3 times or more .
I hope you left a word or two out there?
Otherwise it strengthens my hatred of Rugby to think the cnuts sell 15,000 tickets and only let in 5000 :D
Quote from: Rossfan on December 08, 2009, 06:44:26 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on December 08, 2009, 06:39:57 PM
In fact as the show grounds only holds 5,000 they sell every ticket 3 times or more .
I hope you left a word or two out there?
Otherwise it strengthens my hatred of Rugby to think the cnuts sell 15,000 tickets and only let in 5000 :D
No that's how popular Connacht Rugby is . They can sell every ticket 3 times over .
If you pay into the Sportsgrounds on a friday night (Connacht home games always on friday nights) you get in to the dog racing for free (the dog track goes around the rugby pitch). The crowd at Connacht games is a rugby/dog-racing mixed crowd. Have gone to watch Connacht a few times, but if Mayo where playing a challenge game against Sligo IT in Boyle, I would go to the Mayo match first.
The GAA rule Connacht.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on December 08, 2009, 07:34:27 PM
The GAA rule Connacht.
and long may it continue to do so.
Now if we could only get back to ruling Connacht ......
very rare for connaught rugby to sell out their game as has bee said the crowd grows towards the end when the dog crowd comes in . when they beaqt lenster last year by hiding the ball ofr the last 15 minutes like munster they reckon the crowd increased by 800 before the final whistle, just to have a laugh at the nancy boysw
Saw soccer and both rugbys in the MCG. Absolutely lost in the middle of the oval. Way worse than Croke Park.
On this whole World Cup staging thing, what the f**k are Qatar doing bidding for it? How can a nation of under one and a half million justify building the twelve 40000 seater stadia required?
Quote from: AFS on December 09, 2009, 08:21:58 PM
On this whole World Cup staging thing, what the f**k are Qatar doing bidding for it? How can a nation of under one and a half million justify building the twelve 40000 seater stadiums required?
Because they have shit load of £!