I have removed that thread having had a look through it today. Some of the comments on there were brutal, and some of the comments aimed at Donagh in particular are out of order.
I don't think anyone has 'defended' the murders, thank God, but some of the comments were out of order. If you can't disagree without getting out of hand, all of these political threads will be pulled.
Good move. :)
Exactly why I didn't contribute to it. Too heated.
[Mod 3]
Alright DC. That's enough now.
Leave it go Donagh. I don't think anyone who looked at that thread again would say that you claimed him as a friend. As for the PSNI officer, I don't see the big deal.
But there's no point getting into it again. I've PM'ed about this issue, and if it comes up again, I'll have to start handing out bans.
Any chance of creating a politics and current affairs section for this sort of discussion?
Quote from: Gaaboardmod3 on March 09, 2009, 05:34:52 PM
Leave it go Donagh. I don't think anyone who looked at that thread again would say that you claimed him as a friend. As for the PSNI officer, I don't see the big deal.
But there's no point getting into it again. I've PM'ed about this issue, and if it comes up again, I'll have to start handing out bans.
why wait?
Politics threads are welcome here, as long as they are debated sensibly and rationally. That thread was neither.
If Political threads descend into mud slinging, insults, innuendos and the likes of what was in there, then every one of them will be deleted. 'Tis up to yourselves..
Quote from: stiffler on March 09, 2009, 05:37:11 PM
Any chance of creating a politics and current affairs section for this sort of discussion?
You go down that route and you'll have ones asking for a soccer section, travel section Tony Fearon section, TV section etc.....
Not good for the board.
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on March 09, 2009, 05:39:34 PM
Quote from: stiffler on March 09, 2009, 05:37:11 PM
Any chance of creating a politics and current affairs section for this sort of discussion?
You go down that route and you'll have ones asking for a soccer section, travel section Tony Fearon section, TV section etc.....
Not good for the board.
I take your point regarding keeping everything non-gaa in the one place, but it would keep a number of posters that i and others dont enjoy reading (out of the many on here) in the one section.
Never have i seen someone post as much bullshit on this board than Double Cross did on that thread.
Quote from: BallyhaiseMan on March 09, 2009, 05:53:37 PM
Never have i seen someone post as much bullshit on this board than Double Cross did on that thread.
It was as abravise a thread as I ever did see - made the Cork hurling thread dispute look like one big happy family.
Maybe I have got it wrong, but I dont think so called Republicans should be socialising with members of the crown forces.
Quote from: BallyhaiseMan on March 09, 2009, 05:53:37 PM
Never have i seen someone post as much bullshit on this board than Double Cross did on that thread.
Bullshit on the Gaa Board? Surely a first. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
Quote from: Gaaboardmod3 on March 09, 2009, 05:34:52 PM
Leave it go Donagh. I don't think anyone who looked at that thread again would say that you claimed him as a friend. As for the PSNI officer, I don't see the big deal.
But there's no point getting into it again. I've PM'ed about this issue, and if it comes up again, I'll have to start handing out bans.
Surely you'll be banning previously banned members who've re-registered???
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on March 09, 2009, 06:07:16 PM
Quote from: Gaaboardmod3 on March 09, 2009, 05:34:52 PM
Leave it go Donagh. I don't think anyone who looked at that thread again would say that you claimed him as a friend. As for the PSNI officer, I don't see the big deal.
But there's no point getting into it again. I've PM'ed about this issue, and if it comes up again, I'll have to start handing out bans.
Surely you'll be banning previously banned members who've re-registered???
It's actually funny at this stage, I dont know what certain people have to do to be banned, this person has called Uladh out for a fight, called me out for a fight, has threatened me via email, pm and on the board on several occasions now and now all this with Donagh yet he still posts :-\
Violence on the board - what next ????????? ???
Quote from: pintsofguinness on March 09, 2009, 07:13:38 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on March 09, 2009, 06:07:16 PM
Quote from: Gaaboardmod3 on March 09, 2009, 05:34:52 PM
Leave it go Donagh. I don't think anyone who looked at that thread again would say that you claimed him as a friend. As for the PSNI officer, I don't see the big deal.
But there's no point getting into it again. I've PM'ed about this issue, and if it comes up again, I'll have to start handing out bans.
Surely you'll be banning previously banned members who've re-registered???
It's actually funny at this stage, I dont know what certain people have to do to be banned, this person has called Uladh out for a fight, called me out for a fight, has threatened me via email, pm and on the board on several occasions now and now all this with Donagh yet he still posts :-\
All under the Double Cross name or is this a reincarnation?
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on March 09, 2009, 07:19:03 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on March 09, 2009, 07:13:38 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on March 09, 2009, 06:07:16 PM
Quote from: Gaaboardmod3 on March 09, 2009, 05:34:52 PM
Leave it go Donagh. I don't think anyone who looked at that thread again would say that you claimed him as a friend. As for the PSNI officer, I don't see the big deal.
But there's no point getting into it again. I've PM'ed about this issue, and if it comes up again, I'll have to start handing out bans.
Surely you'll be banning previously banned members who've re-registered???
It's actually funny at this stage, I dont know what certain people have to do to be banned, this person has called Uladh out for a fight, called me out for a fight, has threatened me via email, pm and on the board on several occasions now and now all this with Donagh yet he still posts :-\
All under the Double Cross name or is this a reincarnation?
Double cross previously posted under 5ivetimes until he was banned for threatening me for the 3rd or 4th time.
He reappeared as doublecross. He's also posted under at least two other usernames.
Does he use another email address in order to get registered ? Is it as simple as that ?
Aye I'd say you just need another email address.
He actually might have had the doublecross name before 5ivetimes was banned, cant remember now.
Have to say when I was reading the deleted thread it struck me that Doublecross was almost certainly 5ivetimes.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on March 09, 2009, 07:29:25 PM
Have to say when I was reading the deleted thread it struck me that Doublecross was almost certainly 5ivetimes.
They are the same and the mods have known for weeks.
i've yet to wind someone up to get a threat pm. must try harder ;)
Quote from: pintsofguinness on March 09, 2009, 07:32:00 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on March 09, 2009, 07:29:25 PM
Have to say when I was reading the deleted thread it struck me that Doublecross was almost certainly 5ivetimes.
They are the same and the mods have known for weeks.
£10 tout ;)
Quote from: milltown row on March 09, 2009, 07:39:45 PM
i've yet to wind someone up to get a threat pm. must try harder ;)
Several pms, posts on the boards and a couple of emails - beat that! :D
Funny thing is, I wasnt even trying.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 09, 2009, 07:41:46 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on March 09, 2009, 07:32:00 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on March 09, 2009, 07:29:25 PM
Have to say when I was reading the deleted thread it struck me that Doublecross was almost certainly 5ivetimes.
They are the same and the mods have known for weeks.
£10 tout ;)
I only know because I was threatened with a ban.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on March 09, 2009, 07:42:42 PM
Quote from: milltown row on March 09, 2009, 07:39:45 PM
i've yet to wind someone up to get a threat pm. must try harder ;)
Several pms, posts on the boards and a couple of emails - beat that! :D
Funny thing is, I wasnt even trying.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 09, 2009, 07:41:46 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on March 09, 2009, 07:32:00 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on March 09, 2009, 07:29:25 PM
Have to say when I was reading the deleted thread it struck me that Doublecross was almost certainly 5ivetimes.
They are the same and the mods have known for weeks.
£10 tout ;)
I only know ::) I was threatened with a ban.
poor you, we would really miss you!
feel better now, a scouser just sent me a violent threat.
thats a tenner for the racing tomorrow
Quote from: Diet Coke on March 09, 2009, 07:56:24 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on March 09, 2009, 07:42:42 PM
Quote from: milltown row on March 09, 2009, 07:39:45 PM
i've yet to wind someone up to get a threat pm. must try harder ;)
Several pms, posts on the boards and a couple of emails - beat that! :D
Funny thing is, I wasnt even trying.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 09, 2009, 07:41:46 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on March 09, 2009, 07:32:00 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on March 09, 2009, 07:29:25 PM
Have to say when I was reading the deleted thread it struck me that Doublecross was almost certainly 5ivetimes.
They are the same and the mods have known for weeks.
£10 tout ;)
I only know ::) I was threatened with a ban.
poor you, we would really miss you!
That's funny, I dont remember any of your previous 62 posts or recall you being elected spokesperson for gaaboard.com.
I don't see how Double Cross survived that whole thread with some of the ridiculous things he posted??
If the mods are going to apply some consistency he should now have a lifetime ban (applied to any ip addresses used as well), after all I think he was worse than Doire Na Reaithe.
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on March 09, 2009, 08:04:30 PM
I don't see how Double Cross survived that whole thread with some of the ridiculous things he posted??
If the mods are going to apply some consistency he should now have a lifetime ban (applied to any ip addresses used as well), after all I think he was worse than Doire Na Reaithe.
Pretty easy to fake an IP address or block it from being sent.
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on March 09, 2009, 08:04:30 PM
I don't see how Double Cross survived that whole thread with some of the ridiculous things he posted??
If the mods are going to apply some consistency he should now have a lifetime ban (applied to any ip addresses used as well), after all I think he was worse than Doire Na Reaithe.
Second that motion.
Its up to the Mods who get banned, not the posters.
Quote from: Minder on March 09, 2009, 08:37:46 PM
Its up to the Mods who get banned, not the posters.
Just looking a little consistency, I am not trying to play God.
Quote from: Minder on March 09, 2009, 08:37:46 PM
Its up to the Mods who get banned, not the posters.
very true
Quote from: hardstation on March 09, 2009, 08:37:58 PM
Just got an email from doire na raithe:
First Corn02 spells my name wrong, now Our Nail does it too. w**kers.
DnR is dead to me.
I never remember the old board being like this when you could post anonymously. Any abuse thrown was less personal when we didn't have to create our little personas on the board :-\
Quote from: hardstation on March 09, 2009, 08:37:58 PM
Just got an email from doire na raithe:
First Corn02 spells my name wrong, now Our Nail does it too. w**kers.
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on March 09, 2009, 08:38:48 PM
Quote from: Minder on March 09, 2009, 08:37:46 PM
Its up to the Mods who get banned, not the posters.
Just looking a little consistency, I am not trying to play God.
Looks consistent to me :D
Quote from: thebigfella on March 09, 2009, 08:25:40 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on March 09, 2009, 08:04:30 PM
I don't see how Double Cross survived that whole thread with some of the ridiculous things he posted??
If the mods are going to apply some consistency he should now have a lifetime ban (applied to any ip addresses used as well), after all I think he was worse than Doire Na Reaithe.
Pretty easy to fake an IP address or block it from being sent.
Hmmm, I will have to let DnR know this!! He has been trying to get back on the board... Or maybe he is back already?! ;) We all know he loves the ogs...
Quote from: hardstation on March 09, 2009, 08:37:58 PM
Just got an email from doire na raithe:
First Corn02 spells my name wrong, now Our Nail does it too. w**kers.
Even during his ban he dishes out the abuse.
BBC reporting a peeler shot in Craigavon tonight
So I hear, dead?
No word yet.
There's also reports of a device left at Lurgan's PSNI Station.
F**k lads things getting out of hand over there :-[
Quote from: new devil on March 09, 2009, 10:52:22 PM
F**k lads things getting out of hand over there :-[
About five mins walk from ym f**king house, my da was stopped three times there driving home... He asked was anyone killed they wouldnt tell him...
BBC says he's injured.
Quote from: ziggysego on March 09, 2009, 11:01:58 PM
BBC says he's injured.
Did not release a condition though.
It would appear a collaborative offensive from dissidents is starting to take shape across the North. Hopefully I'm wrong. Saw an unmarked Shogun & Octavia last night on main road out of Lurgan, maybe they knew an attack was imminent.
Sky is reporting he's dead
I was hoping that maybe Saturday night was a one-off, but I'm beginning to fear that we could be slipping back to the old ways. I hope the loyalists don't hit back. If that happens, well I hate to think....
http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0309/craigavon.html
There are reports tonight that a PSNI officer has been shot in the Craigavon area.
The initial information suggests the shooting took place within the past hour and the victim is in a critical condition
Not good.
BBC confirmed he had died.
For f**k sake, this is getting out of hand... Why are these people doing this they must be sick in the head.
On the BBC website that he has died.
This is not good. These pr**ks are serving no good to anyone.
A one off attack is bad but if it's to be sustained - this is shocking. I hope every one of them is caught soon.
they would need to be caught sharpish. no more lives should be lost. also, the gaa are an obvious target for any retaliation
Bad news.
Holy f**k! Major crisis then, was stopped by the Police tonight in a security checkpoint for first time in yonks, these buckos knew that the police would be out and about tonight after their actions on Sat night. Looks like they have a dedicated 'campaign' underway now. I hope they will see the public have no appetite for this kind of thing and will be disgusted at their actions.
Still don't understand what is to be gained by these tramps dragging us back into this. I wonder were the Brits behind this one too? ::)
See that clown Double Cross started another thread there
No, another dead. :-[
I hope this doesn't cause any retaliations from the Loyalist side. After years of peace this is the worst thing that could have happened.
Killed investigating a suspicious device.
These idiots have started something that has the potential to set us back 20 years. These guys should be singled out of society before they gain any support
Depressing stuff.
Terrible news.
It really sickens me to think we could go back to the way things were............
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on March 09, 2009, 11:15:32 PM
No, another dead. :-[
I hope this doesn't cause any retaliations from the Loyalist side. After years of peace this is the worst thing that could have happened.
This is what these idiots fail to understand, they are putting innocent catholics at risk by their actions. They have no coherent strategy and are simply trying to satisfy their twisted blood thirst for killing.
According to Sky news he was shot in the head whilst in a patrol car, very cold and calculated.
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on March 09, 2009, 11:15:32 PM
No, another dead. :-[
I hope this doesn't cause any retaliations from the Loyalist side. After years of peace this is the worst thing that could have happened.
Can't see the loyalists getting involved in anything that has almost no support in Catholic/Nationalist/Republican community. I hope I'm right.
I have no idea whose cause this furthers. More checkpoints, more funerals, Brits on the streets and reinforced barracks, children asking why people are being shot. Thanks for the memories bastards.
Quote from: Doogie Browser on March 09, 2009, 11:20:47 PM
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on March 09, 2009, 11:15:32 PM
No, another dead. :-[
I hope this doesn't cause any retaliations from the Loyalist side. After years of peace this is the worst thing that could have happened.
This is what these idiots fail to understand, they are putting innocent catholics at risk by their actions. They have no coherent strategy and are simply trying to satisfy their twisted blood thirst for killing.
According to Sky news he was shot in the head whilst in a patrol car, very cold and calculated.
Would I also be right to say there is a chance they might kill catholic PSNI officers or would they know the targets?
The only saving grace with regardes retaliation is the fact that the police are now accepted by certain sections of the wider society as mixed. Therefore it can be seen as an attack on the whole community and no longer an attack on the "crown forces" Although they are still the crown forces they are now made up of a better mixture of all sections of society. This may prevent any break outs of retaliation. It's a sticky time for us lads.
This is an absolute disaster, I really would struggle to think of anyone that would support this kind of bullshit.
Quote from: gawa316 on March 09, 2009, 11:26:53 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on March 09, 2009, 11:20:47 PM
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on March 09, 2009, 11:15:32 PM
No, another dead. :-[
I hope this doesn't cause any retaliations from the Loyalist side. After years of peace this is the worst thing that could have happened.
This is what these idiots fail to understand, they are putting innocent catholics at risk by their actions. They have no coherent strategy and are simply trying to satisfy their twisted blood thirst for killing.
According to Sky news he was shot in the head whilst in a patrol car, very cold and calculated.
Would I also be right to say there is a chance they might kill catholic PSNI officers or would they know the targets?
Undoubtedly they would try to kill Catholic PSNI officers. Whether they would possess that sort of information is another story. I would say they don't care what religion the person is as long as they are in a PSNI uniform.
Quote from: winsamsoon on March 09, 2009, 11:27:53 PM
The only saving grace with regardes retaliation is the fact that the police are now accepted by certain sections of the wider society as mixed. Therefore it can be seen as an attack on the whole community and no longer an attack on the "crown forces" Although they are still the crown forces they are now made up of a better mixture of all sections of society. This may prevent any break outs of retaliation. It's a sticky time for us lads.
The idiots that carried this out, don't see that. I fear the Loyalist won't either.
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on March 09, 2009, 11:28:11 PM
This is an absolute disaster, I really would struggle to think of anyone that would support this kind of bullshit.
As someone has already said, they don't care about public opinion and are satisfying some bloodthirsty republican ideology. Expect a massive peace rally in Belfast.
Every generation there's a new chapter to our woefully bloody history.
Whether you like it or not, ultimately the same motive drives it. I have no doubt that those behind these recent attacks harbour the same ambitions as those from 69-94 whether it's foolish now or whatever. The difference now is that those 25 years were sustained and deadly and has wearied us so much that there's extremely muted support for such a campaign.
Quote from: ONeill on March 09, 2009, 11:34:11 PM
Every generation there's a new chapter to our woefully bloody history.
Whether you like it or not, ultimately the same motive drives it. I have no doubt that those behind these recent attacks harbour the same ambitions as those from 69-94 whether it's foolish now or whatever. The difference now is that those 25 years were sustained and deadly and has wearied us so much that there's extremely muted support for such a campaign.
Wearied from the bad times O'Neill, but probably the good times of the past few years have made this seem even more incongruous.
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on March 09, 2009, 11:28:11 PM
This is an absolute disaster, I really would struggle to think of anyone that would support this kind of bullshit.
There are pockets of support in some areas across the North but intelligence suggests their actual numbers are around the 100 mark, small in the scheme of things but large enough to cause havoc and danger.
Regards speculation of the dead officers religion i would daresay they are actually hoping he was a catholic so they can send out a 'warning' to others thinking of following the same career path.
My prayers will be with the dead mans family tonight.
Yeah it wouldn't matter what religion the lad was he would be seen as a legitimate target because of collusion with the crown forces.
I can't get my head around the emotions of this. Years back i would have sort of hid away from shootings of this nature almost accepting them because i would have supported this certain political agenda. Whilst i wouldn't have supported murder i wouldn't have had the same feelings as i am having about this now. I know circumstances have changed but i am asking myself now why did i "support" this kind of stuff in the first place. It is totally wrong and i am actually ashamed now that i sort of accepted these acts the first time around. I actually find it difficult when i see Adams and Mc Guinness talk about this on tv because i now feel they are being very hypocritical as they were inadvertedly involved in behaviour like this. Kind of like saying it was ok then but it is not now. I knwo things have moved on politically and things are far different but this is very hard to fathom.Guess i thought this stuff was dead and buried for good
Quote from: ONeill on March 09, 2009, 11:34:11 PM
Every generation there's a new chapter to our woefully bloody history.
Whether you like it or not, ultimately the same motive drives it. I have no doubt that those behind these recent attacks harbour the same ambitions as those from 69-94 whether it's foolish now or whatever. The difference now is that those 25 years were sustained and deadly and has wearied us so much that there's extremely muted support for such a campaign.
Whatever about people's aims ONeill, has there ever been a period in the history of this island when so many people have been against the use of violence to attempt to further these aims? That is why I find it impossible to know what these so called patriots are trying to achieve.
Quote from: winsamsoon on March 09, 2009, 11:49:36 PM
Yeah it wouldn't matter what religion the lad was he would be seen as a legitimate target because of collusion with the crown forces.
I can't get my head around the emotions of this. Years back i would have sort of hid away from shootings of this nature almost accepting them because i would have supported this certain political agenda. Whilst i wouldn't have supported murder i wouldn't have had the same feelings as i am having about this now. I know circumstances have changed but i am asking myself now why did i "support" this kind of stuff in the first place. It is totally wrong and i am actually ashamed now that i sort of accepted these acts the first time around. I actually find it difficult when i see Adams and Mc Guinness talk about this on tv because i now feel they are being very hypocritical as they were inadvertedly involved in behaviour like this. Kind of like saying it was ok then but it is not now. I knwo things have moved on politically and things are far different but this is very hard to fathom.Guess i thought this stuff was dead and buried for good
It's called growing up. I've children of my own now so this takes on a different perspective to ten or fifteen years ago. Show me anyone of any ilk who thinks the past five years in particular have not been the best years this place has seen in generations even under the yoke of British Imperialism!
But surely even this small number of people in the short-term could do enough to wreck the whole show.
The 2 ministers are supposed to be goin to the states for a trade conference tomorrow.
You can imagine N.Ireland will prob make the pages of most major newspapers around the world tomorrow. They will have some explaining to do to potential investors thats N.Ireland is a stable as they say it is.
Considering Craigavon is heading up the posts on twitter.com this i big international news!
But i suppose the idiots who do it won't care. They are probably happy enough with no jobs and collecting all the Crown pennies they can get their hands on in benefits.
I would agree with you Tony but i am not that old i think it is jus the fact that life is more important than anything really.
Can hear sirens in Lurgan. Hopefully unrelated...
Anyone i know involved in these scumbags are the biggest lowlifes you could meet...never worked a day in there lifes and driving round in BMW'S
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on March 09, 2009, 11:51:58 PM
Quote from: ONeill on March 09, 2009, 11:34:11 PM
Every generation there's a new chapter to our woefully bloody history.
Whether you like it or not, ultimately the same motive drives it. I have no doubt that those behind these recent attacks harbour the same ambitions as those from 69-94 whether it's foolish now or whatever. The difference now is that those 25 years were sustained and deadly and has wearied us so much that there's extremely muted support for such a campaign.
Whatever about people's aims ONeill, has there ever been a period in the history of this island when so many people have been against the use of violence to attempt to further these aims? That is why I find it impossible to know what these so called patriots are trying to achieve.
Probably not. I don't know to what extent it's true but the 1916 boys were reportedly abused after their surrender. I'm not sure how popular the 50s campaign was. The difference now is that anyone with an ounce of sense knows the progress being made through peaceful means.
Quote from: fitzroyalty on March 09, 2009, 11:58:04 PM
Can hear sirens in Lurgan. Hopefully unrelated...
Not unrelated they are now going nuts around the town. North street cordoned off, the Kilwilkie scum element will now probably advance on the police and as for that Craigavon place i would wipe it off the map. The good people are being held ransom by drug dealers and scumbags. These people should be shunned from society and put to the sword if needed. Society needs cleaned up this cannot be accepted by the decent law abiding society
Yes indeed they were abused by the people of Dublin as they were marched along the streets down to the quays. Here, they were shipped across to Wales to be held in Frangoch concentration camp.
The oul wans pelted them with rotten fruit and vegetables; Public sentiment was against them to an overwhelming degree.
However, the heavy handed way in which the Brits carried out the courts martial and execution of the leaders brought about a major shift in public opinion and when the Volunteers returned about 2 years later they were welcomed with open arms.
I'm reliably informed that the IRA campaign in the 50s was called off due to a lack of interest and backing from the republican communities in the North and inadequate support from sympathisers down South..
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 10, 2009, 12:58:04 PM
Yes indeed they were abused by the people of Dublin as they were marched along the streets down to the quays. Here, they were shipped across to Wales to be held in Frangoch concentration camp.
The oul wans pelted them with rotten fruit and vegetables; Public sentiment was against them to an overwhelming degree.
However, the heavy handed way in which the Brits carried out the courts martial and execution of the leaders brought about a major shift in public opinion and when the Volunteers returned about 2 years later they were welcomed with open arms.
Absolutely correct.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 10, 2009, 12:58:04 PM
I'm reliably informed that the IRA campaign in the 50s was called off due to a lack of interest and backing from the republican communities in the North and inadequate support from sympathisers down South..
Generally correct, but imo there were three other significant elements which caused it to fail miserably.
First, the reaction by De Valera's Government, including Internment, severely curtailed the IRA's ability to operate on a cross-border basis.
Second, the IRA never managed to build up the expertise in terrorism etc which the Provos later developed during 30-odd years of the Troubles etc. For example, they blew up nearly as many of their own members as they did of the Police etc; they organised around "Flying Columns" with mass attacks etc, rather than on a cellular basis; they were not able to raise funds so successfully, nor receive overseas aid from e.g. Libya and the USA etc.
Finally, whatever one thinks about the "B" Specials etc, they were then considerably more effective in countering what was essentially a rural, cross border insurgency than e.g. the British Army was, when confronted by (mostly) urban guerilla warfare during the Troubles.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_Campaign_(IRA)
Quote from: Evil Genius on March 10, 2009, 01:30:46 PM
Finally, whatever one thinks about the "B" Specials etc, they were then considerably more effective in countering what was essentially a rural, cross border insurgency than e.g. the British Army was, when confronted by (mostly) urban guerilla warfare during the Troubles.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_Campaign_(IRA)
'effective' :o ::) fecks sake these guys were the biggest CAUSE of what happened next !
who needed recruiters when you had the b specials embarking on their violent attacks on innocent and quiet nationalists and enforcing the establishments apartheid-esque (keeping nationalists in their place) regieme.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on March 10, 2009, 01:38:15 PM
who needed recruiters when you had the b specials embarking on their violent attacks on innocent and quiet nationalists and enforcing the establishments apartheid-esque (keeping nationalists in their place) regieme.
Didn't Hendrik Verwoerd the first president of Apartheid South Africa actually model Apartheid on the system of "government" in the Six Counties after the split in the country?
One of our neighbours at home was a B-'man' who once stopped his next door neighbour, asked him to identify himself, and when responded to by his first name, categorically denied knowing him. He then left somewhat unceremoniously in 1972 for...ahem...Australia. 'Tis a big country.
Quote from: Aerlik on March 11, 2009, 04:24:43 AM
Didn't Hendrik Verwoerd the first president of Apartheid South Africa actually model Apartheid on the system of "government" in the Six Counties after the split in the country?
Really? Considering the first racial separation laws in South Africa date back to 1911, it might be stretching things. Where is your evidence for such a claim? What race (religion) laws did Stormont introduce which might have inspired the Apartheid laws?
Verwoerd was fiercely anti-British, he withdrew his country from the Commonwealth and he opposed his country joining in the war against Nazism. Perhaps you mean he was inspired by the government in Dublin?
It is true to say that Durban Town Hall (constructed 1910) was inspired by Belfast City Hall (constructed 1906), indeed is almost an exact replica. Maybe that is what you were thinking of?
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fc/Durban_TownHall.jpg)
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File997055128_c8fb27b317_b.jpg)
Anyhow, in my previous post, I referred to just a selection of the Race Laws which underpinned the Apartheid system in S.Africa. Perhaps you might supply me with a list of their NI counterparts?
P.S. When you do get back to me, maybe you might start a separate thread, since I'm sure nobody would like to see a serious thread like this one clogged up by the ramblings of someone who has clearly spent too much time outdoors in the Australian sun without a hat...
whatever about sa apartheid being based (or restructured) on some aspects of the methodology and procedure in ni , these 'laws' were not in any constitution, however there were multiple 'laws' that were contravened by establishment and bureacracy for decades (if not centuries) on treatment of natinalist peoples that were race/creed based and that is the basis for the label of 'apartheid'.
I dont think anyone can claim that nationalists were subject to oppressive, aggressive, persecutionary, harrassing, job denying, movement barring and anti human rights measures from the 'establishment' of local gov, security/crown forces/bureaucrats/securocrats and the violent gangs permitted to enforce these.
But post more pictures to try and take it away from answering the point, or post another piece from the discredited cain report or some other inaccurate digressive source. I am sure the prose will be fantastic to read ::) but as usual the point will be irrelevent and the answer non-forthcoming !
Quote from: lynchbhoy on March 11, 2009, 11:22:41 AM
But post more pictures to try and take it away from answering the point,
You are the one making the claim that the system of Government in NI is/was akin to the Apartheid regime, so it is up to you to back it up.
In doing so, you might make a start by addressing the following which I put to you earlier, rather than running away from it:
"For example, where were the NI laws which prevented mixed marriages? Where were the laws which forced Catholics to live in Bantustans? Were Catholics forced to carry separate identity papers and Passports recognised nowhere else in the world? Were they banned from leaving NI, as non-whites were from SA? Were NI Catholics denied both British and Irish Nationality, as non-whites were denied SA Passports, or other countries passports, by law? Where were the segregated restaurants, hotels, beaches etc in NI? Were NI Catholics banned by law from attending the best Universities, or getting senior jobs in the Judiciary, Police or Civil Service? Where were the S.African equivalents of Mary McAleese (free state education to QUB, appointed head of the ILS etc), Jamie Flanagan (Catholic head of the RUC), Sir Denis Henry (1st Lord Chief Justice in NI and a Catholic)? Were NI Catholics denied the chance to represent NI at football etc, in the way blacks and "coloureds" were the Springboks in SA? Was the UK denied international recognition of its jurisdiction over NI in the way as the Apartheid regime was ostracised worldwide?"Otherwise, if you cannot or will not supply an answer, then you will be exposed, once again, for the serial bullshitter you plainly are.
Yours etc,
Myles ::)
P.S. If/when you should ever get round to addressing the point, can you do so via a separate thread? This one is much too serious to deserve being clogged up by the insane ramblings of the likes of you and Aerlik
Quote from: Evil Genius on March 11, 2009, 11:35:32 AM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on March 11, 2009, 11:22:41 AM
But post more pictures to try and take it away from answering the point,
You are the one making the claim that the system of Government in NI is/was akin to the Apartheid regime, so it is up to you to back it up.
In doing so, you might make a start by addressing the following which I put to you earlier, rather than running away from it:
"For example, where were the NI laws which prevented mixed marriages? Where were the laws which forced Catholics to live in Bantustans? Were Catholics forced to carry separate identity papers and Passports recognised nowhere else in the world? Were they banned from leaving NI, as non-whites were from SA? Were NI Catholics denied both British and Irish Nationality, as non-whites were denied SA Passports, or other countries passports, by law? Where were the segregated restaurants, hotels, beaches etc in NI? Were NI Catholics banned by law from attending the best Universities, or getting senior jobs in the Judiciary, Police or Civil Service? Where were the S.African equivalents of Mary McAleese (free state education to QUB, appointed head of the ILS etc), Jamie Flanagan (Catholic head of the RUC), Sir Denis Henry (1st Lord Chief Justice in NI and a Catholic)? Were NI Catholics denied the chance to represent NI at football etc, in the way blacks and "coloureds" were the Springboks in SA? Was the UK denied international recognition of its jurisdiction over NI in the way as the Apartheid regime was ostracised worldwide?"
Otherwise, if you cannot or will not supply an answer, then you will be exposed, once again, for the serial bullshitter you plainly are.
Yours etc,
Myles ::)
P.S. If/when you should ever get round to addressing the point, can you do so via a separate thread? This one is much too serious to deserve being clogged up by the insane ramblings of the likes of you and Aerlik
funnily enough I dont see you addressing the point of 'antrim shooting' youself
as for the actions of those in 'power' behaving in an 'apartheid' type manner, I think its pretty well known by all and sundry at this point in time that what I said happened and is not a figment of imagination - to be easily brushed under the carpet by folks like yourself who refuse to acknowledge the guilt of you predecessors
as said before , the 'laws' were not in any constitution, however there were multiple 'laws' that were contravened by establishment and bureacracy for decades (if not centuries) on treatment of natinalist peoples that were race/creed based and that is the basis for the label of 'apartheid'.
I dont think anyone can claim that nationalists were subject to oppressive, aggressive, persecutionary, harrassing, job denying, movement barring and anti human rights measures from the 'establishment' of local gov, security/crown forces/bureaucrats/securocrats and the violent gangs permitted to enforce these.
can you deny these happend?
No, I didnt think you could.
Update on shooting in Antrim 3 arrests made-Lurgan and Bellaghy-see BBC site
Collie Duffy one of those lifted according to BBC.
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on March 14, 2009, 05:59:12 PM
Collie Duffy one of those lifted according to BBC.
Aye, wee fella I work with lives in the estate said police been swarming since this morning, were getting bricked and petrol bombed as well. There is rioting now in Lurgan and I think the trains are callled off...
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on March 14, 2009, 06:14:36 PM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on March 14, 2009, 05:59:12 PM
Collie Duffy one of those lifted according to BBC.
Aye, wee fella I work with lives in the estate said police been swarming since this morning, were getting bricked and petrol bombed as well. There is rioting now in Lurgan and I think the trains are callled off...
Was through it there about 20 minutes ago (on the Lake St/Victoria St side). No rioting going from from what I can see and about a dozen children and teenagers standing on the railway crossing. Apparently there's ten Land Rovers blocking Lake St from the other side (Antrim Rd). I expect it'll get worse later but so far from the rumours going round the town and the press reports are all over exaggerated - seems a lot of people actually want something to kick off (probably including those that lifted Duffy in the first place).
Quote from: Donagh on March 14, 2009, 06:47:31 PM
I expect it'll get worse later but so far from the rumours going round the town and the press reports are all over exaggerated - seems a lot of people actually want something to kick off (probably including those that lifted Duffy in the first place).
For what reason?
Quote from: Maguire01 on March 14, 2009, 06:59:01 PM
Quote from: Donagh on March 14, 2009, 06:47:31 PM
I expect it'll get worse later but so far from the rumours going round the town and the press reports are all over exaggerated - seems a lot of people actually want something to kick off (probably including those that lifted Duffy in the first place).
For what reason?
Who knows. Cheap thrills? Sad all the same.
Quote from: Donagh on March 14, 2009, 07:01:17 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on March 14, 2009, 06:59:01 PM
Quote from: Donagh on March 14, 2009, 06:47:31 PM
I expect it'll get worse later but so far from the rumours going round the town and the press reports are all over exaggerated - seems a lot of people actually want something to kick off (probably including those that lifted Duffy in the first place).
For what reason?
Who knows. Cheap thrills? Sad all the same.
Who knows? Well you're the one who said it.
Sad? You're right there.
Quote from: Maguire01 on March 14, 2009, 07:08:27 PM
Who knows? Well you're the one who said it.
Sad? You're right there.
Would you like me to go and ask them for you - who should I start with, the kids on the railway track, the people spreading the rumours or the peelers?
Quote from: Donagh on March 14, 2009, 07:24:23 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on March 14, 2009, 07:08:27 PM
Who knows? Well you're the one who said it.
Sad? You're right there.
Would you like me to go and ask them for you - who should I start with, the kids on the railway track, the people spreading the rumours or the peelers?
You're the one making assumptions about who would like to see things kick off. Surely you must have a basis for such assumptions, otherwise are you not just starting/spreading rumours yourself?
wee hoods in kilwilke love any excuse to brick the peelers. They'll most likely be the ones wanting it to kick off
Quote from: Maguire01 on March 14, 2009, 08:16:31 PM
You're the one making assumptions about who would like to see things kick off. Surely you must have a basis for such assumptions, otherwise are you not just starting/spreading rumours yourself?
It's a discussion forum, I gave an opinion based on what I know of the area, the people in it and the police in it, having been about the town for over 35 years.
Quote from: fitzroyalty on March 14, 2009, 08:19:26 PM
wee hoods in kilwilke love any excuse to brick the peelers. They'll most likely be the ones wanting it to kick off
Incorrect. The peelers leave these upstanding members of the community with no other option but to riot. See it's the peelers fault for wanting to question suspects in an ongoing murder investigation where one of their colleagues was killed. ;)
Donagh why did you delete that last post ?
Quote from: Minder on March 14, 2009, 10:02:12 PM
Donagh why did you delete that last post ?
Because I couldn't be arsed fighting someone else's battle. Spent the guts of two hours yesterday doing it - it's on the other shooting thread if you are that interested.
Belfast seems to be saturated with road blocks this evening... :( ... an excuse for overtime or a genuine threat?
overtime or trying to get bad guys? what time was this at? drove down the "road" earlier
All the routes into the West ... Stockmans, Blacks Road, Dunmurry Lane ....
you get about
2 bands cancelled on us tonight. Closed the doors of the pub half an hour ago. People afraid to come up to Lurgan. Supposedly shots fired at Lake Street (Kilwilkie).
Quote from: The Gs Man on March 14, 2009, 11:58:20 PM
2 bands cancelled on us tonight. Closed the doors of the pub half an hour ago. People afraid to come up to Lurgan. Supposedly shots fired at Lake Street (Kilwilkie).
You didn't hear where the weapon was found Gs?
Nah. Nothing yet.
I know Lurgan is a shocking place for rumours.....but have you heard anything about shots being fired?
Why is there such a feeling of disenchantment in Lurgan.Social problems are as bad in other places and it was no more a Republican stronghold than some other ones during the struggle. I am not trying to stir it here buy asking this just curious wat is the reason.
Quote from: The Gs Man on March 15, 2009, 12:13:15 AM
Nah. Nothing yet.
I know Lurgan is a shocking place for rumours.....but have you heard anything about shots being fired?
Nah, I heard earlier a gun had been found somewhere, but nothing about a shooting. Loads of rumours, including Duffy being charged with murder, but I'm assuming that's Sat night drink talk. Was round at the cousins by Kilwilkie earlier and saw nothing but a bunch of childer playing at being Matt R in the old days.
Bit shit though that the rumors are going to affect youse first though. Hope my 'uncle' Bertie got home alright - twas his 73 birthday yesterday.
On an aside, Dick Gaughan was on Céilí House (RTE1 radio) earlier - great stuff altogether!
This is one of the cover stories when you open Yahoo mail
NIreland riots after police arrest 3 over killings
By SHAWN POGATCHNIK, Associated Press Writer Shawn Pogatchnik, Associated Press Writer – 2 hrs 9 mins ago
A masked youth throws a petrol bomb at PSNI officers close to were a leading AP – A masked youth throws a petrol bomb at PSNI officers close to were a leading Irish Republican was arrested, ...
LURGAN, Northern Ireland – Irish nationalist gangs hurled gasoline bombs at police Saturday after three alleged IRA dissidents were arrested on suspicion of killing two British soldiers in an attack designed to trigger wider violence in Northern Ireland.
Police operating in armored cars and flame-retardant suits said none of their officers was injured during the rising mob violence in the Irish Catholic end of Lurgan, a religiously divided town southwest of Belfast. Rioters also blocked the main Belfast-to-Dublin railway line that runs alongside the hardline Kilwilkie neighborhood of the town.
Later, police said they arrested a 37-year-old man and 30-year-old woman, and seized a gun and ammunition in the neighboring town of Craigavon, where Irish Republican Army dissidents shot to death a policeman Monday.
Police would not say whether those arrests and the arms find were connected to the March 7 shooting of the soldiers or the subsequent killing of the policeman. Police said the couple were being questioned about unspecified "serious terrorist crime."
The unrest came in direct response to Saturday's arrest of Colin Duffy, 41, the best-known Irish republican in Lurgan. Police arrested two other suspected Irish Republican Army dissidents aged 32 and 21 in the overwhelmingly Catholic village of Bellaghy — all on suspicion of shooting to death two soldiers last weekend.
Police arrested two teenage rioters and advised motorists to stay away from the Catholic north side of Lurgan to avoid having their cars seized and burned as road barricades. An Associated Press reporter driving through the area at dusk Saturday night had to make a rapid escape to avoid youths — some wearing masks or with scarf-covered faces — hurling rocks and bricks in an apparent attempt to stop his vehicle.
Police long considered Duffy the IRA godfather of Lurgan and twice charged him with murders in the town in the run-up to the IRA's 1997 cease-fire — which breakaway factions are now trying to destroy.
Duffy was convicted of killing a former soldier in Lurgan in 1993, but was freed on appeal three years later after the key witness against him was identified as a member of an outlawed Protestant gang.
He was back behind bars within a year after police identified him as the gunman who committed the IRA's last two killings before its cease-fire: two Protestant policemen shot point-blank through the backs of their heads while on foot patrol in Lurgan in June 1997.
The prosecutors' case against Duffy collapsed after their key witness suffered a nervous breakdown and withdrew her testimony. Two years later, Protestant extremists assassinated Duffy's lawyer, Rosemary Nelson, with an under-car booby trap bomb in a case still being investigated today because of allegations that police were involved.
Saturday's arrest of Duffy appeared likely to pose a political challenge for Sinn Fein, the IRA-linked party that is the leading Irish nationalist voice in Northern Ireland's power-sharing administration — and is trying to convince Protestants of its newfound support for British law and order.
The leading Sinn Fein member of the coalition, Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness, earlier this week denounced IRA dissidents as "traitors" and pledged to support the police's hunt for the gunmen. But previously, Sinn Fein has defended Duffy as an innocent man and a victim of British conspiracies.
Sinn Fein declined to comment on the arrests. McGuinness was traveling Saturday in the United States and could not be reached for comment.
Saturday's arrests came a week after the Real IRA splinter group fired more than 60 bullets at several unarmed, off-duty soldiers outside an army base as they collected pizzas, the first of two deadly gun attacks against British security forces.
Two soldiers, aged 21 and 23, died and four other people were seriously wounded, including both pizza delivery men — whom the Real IRA described as legitimate targets because they were "collaborating" with the enemy. Police said the attack involved two masked men armed with assault rifles and a getaway driver.
The IRA dissidents next struck Monday when Constable Stephen Carroll, 48, was shot fatally through the back of the head as he sat in his police car in Craigavon, the town beside Lurgan. A different splinter group, the Continuity IRA, admitted responsibility for that killing.
Three people — a 17-year-old boy and two men — have been arrested since Tuesday on suspicion of involvement in killing the policeman. All remained in custody Saturday.
The dissidents insist they have no intention of stopping attacks on British security forces and the civilians who work with them. The IRA pursued the same policy during its own 1970-97 attempt to force Northern Ireland out of the United Kingdom. Most IRA members agreed to renounce violence and disarm in 2005.
This is getting boring now - seems like half the population have now been arrested for this ???
Pair held over soldier shootings
Sappers Patrick Azimkar and Mark Quinsey died in the Real IRA attack
A 39-year-old man and a 55-year-old woman have been arrested in connection with the Real IRA murders of two soldiers at an Army base in Antrim.
The woman, arrested in west Belfast, is Marian Price who was jailed in 1973 for bombing the Old Bailey in London. Sappers Patrick Azimkar and Mark Quinsey were shot dead outside Massereene Barracks in Antrim in March.
The man was arrested in County Tyrone. A total of 12 people have been arrested so far in connection with the shooting.
A police spokesperson said the arrests, made on Tuesday morning, were part of an on-going search operation.
The pair have been taken to Antrim police station for questioning, the spokesperson added.
So far only two men, prominent republican Colin Duffy, 41, and Brian Shivers, 44, from Sperrin Mews in Magherafelt, have been charged with the murders.
I think they are picking names out of a hat. :o
No problems with them arresting 12 people if they get the c***ts that shot those two soldiers.
No problems at all.
Quote from: Puckoon on November 19, 2009, 03:07:48 PM
No problems with them arresting 12 people if they get the c***ts that shot those two soldiers.
No problems at all.
Aye, as long as ou are not one of the twelve wha? ::)
I wat these bastards got, but I have to ask mself if it was loyalists they were after would be as quick to arrest so many people? i think not.
Quote from: Puckoon on November 19, 2009, 03:07:48 PM
No problems with them arresting 12 people if they get the c***ts that shot those two soldiers.
No problems at all.
your ignorance of the situation is beyond belief,i take it you would be in favour of bringing back interment because thats what basically going on here
Quote from: Drumanee 1 on November 19, 2009, 04:25:15 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on November 19, 2009, 03:07:48 PM
No problems with them arresting 12 people if they get the c***ts that shot those two soldiers.
No problems at all.
your ignorance of the situation is beyond belief
And will continue to remain ignorant when people like you don't try to enlighten them to "the situation" :-\
Quote from: theskull1 on November 19, 2009, 04:45:53 PM
Quote from: Drumanee 1 on November 19, 2009, 04:25:15 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on November 19, 2009, 03:07:48 PM
No problems with them arresting 12 people if they get the c***ts that shot those two soldiers.
No problems at all.
your ignorance of the situation is beyond belief
And will continue to remain ignorant when people like you don't try to enlighten them to "the situation" :-\
people like me?what does that mean?if you go back in this thread you will see where i have explained how being totally inocent and lifted for murder can totally change your life,you just dont walk back into your job,you dont sit in the house with your door unlocked,etc etc
Listen - Im firmly of the belief that If youre sitting at home minding your own damn business - and behaving within the law - then you arent going to get picked up for something like this.
You can rant at me all you want about that.
Puckoon, I have to agree with you
The scum who shot the 2 soldiers and the policeman deserve to be locked up and the key thrown away.
Quote from: Puckoon on November 19, 2009, 05:42:52 PM
Listen - Im firmly of the belief that If youre sitting at home minding your own damn business - and behaving within the law - then you arent going to get picked up for something like this.You can rant at me all you want about that.
bit naive
Quote from: dodgy umpire on November 19, 2009, 05:59:49 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on November 19, 2009, 05:42:52 PM
Listen - Im firmly of the belief that If youre sitting at home minding your own damn business - and behaving within the law - then you arent going to get picked up for something like this.You can rant at me all you want about that.
bit naive
How so?
Quote from: Puckoon on November 19, 2009, 03:07:48 PM
No problems with them arresting 12 people if they get the c***ts that shot those two soldiers.
No problems at all.
And if it was a member of your family or a friend or neighbour of yours you'd have no problems?
Sure why don't we bring back internment!
ffs that's a stupid comment puck.
Come off it pints, these people who have been arrested and charged are hardly angels to begin with...
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on November 19, 2009, 06:19:27 PM
Come off it pints, these people who have been arrested and charged are hardly angels to begin with...
Considering the history of the RUC/british army pin pointing the wrong people I wouldnt say that so confidently.
Even if they're not angels I'm willing to bet most of them know nothing about killings.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 19, 2009, 06:17:22 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on November 19, 2009, 03:07:48 PM
No problems with them arresting 12 people if they get the c***ts that shot those two soldiers.
No problems at all.
And if it was a member of your family or a friend or neighbour of yours you'd have no problems?
Sure why don't we bring back internment!
ffs that's a stupid comment puck.
Thats not a stupid comment at all.
Interestingly my entire family survived internment, and they survived being arrested during this last escapade.
Cos their sitting at home minding their f**king manners and not getting involved with dissident republican behaviour.
If they were, if they were in any way affiliated with RSF or the Real IRA - lock the bastards up. If they were/are in any way connected with Real IRA activities - I have zero sympathy for them, even if all they did was gather information. They can rot. They wouldnt family or friends of mine.
You can take that how you will pints - but those are my very very firmly held beliefs.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 19, 2009, 06:22:33 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on November 19, 2009, 06:19:27 PM
Come off it pints, these people who have been arrested and charged are hardly angels to begin with...
Considering the history of the RUC/british army pin pointing the wrong people I wouldnt say that so confidently.
Even if they're not angels I'm willing to bet most of them know nothing about killings.
Pints - you said the dogs on the street knew who killed Paul Quinn.
You really think that marian price knows nothing about the murder of the two soldiers?
ffs thats a stupid comment pints.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 19, 2009, 06:22:33 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on November 19, 2009, 06:19:27 PM
Come off it pints, these people who have been arrested and charged are hardly angels to begin with...
Considering the history of the RUC/british army pin pointing the wrong people I wouldnt say that so confidently.
Even if they're not angels I'm willing to bet most of them know nothing about killings.
pints, I would be the first to point out wrong-doing on behalf of the Brits if I thought that was what was going on. The way I see it they are putting pressure on the dissidents responsible by all these arrests. My problem with these dissidents (all of the different groups) is that politically they are going nowhere. The only thing they offer us, the people of these islands, is death and destruction, as shown in Craigavon and Massarene. Dissidents are a bunch of angry people who have no real ideology behind them apart from drunken conversations about freeing Ireland ::)
Would you want to go back to a war footing? I know I wouldn't want to see that happen and if it did, I would probably get the hell out of the place altogether
Do I know 100% that those arrested and charged are guilty? No I am not 100% - at the same time I can understand the motivation behind keeping some of them off the streets and yes, I would condone it for all the reasons I just stated
Puck mate in fairness it isn't always so black and white. While I respect your stance and your opinion you can't be so naive to apply that to everyone surely? Your family background, your experiences growing up were obviously not the same as mine or most other posters from Armagh. Your experiences form your opinions and beliefs. If other posters experiences were/are different then surely so would their beliefs be different.
Innocent people got/get harassed all the time - it happens. It happens all over the world in fact - all it takes is a w**k*r of a cop in any town in any part of the world and innocent people will get harassed. It just so happens we have a high concentration of w**k*r police men and women in the North.
Blanketing everyone because of your experiences isn't fair.
Quote from: Puckoon on November 19, 2009, 06:25:16 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 19, 2009, 06:17:22 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on November 19, 2009, 03:07:48 PM
No problems with them arresting 12 people if they get the c***ts that shot those two soldiers.
No problems at all.
And if it was a member of your family or a friend or neighbour of yours you'd have no problems?
Sure why don't we bring back internment!
ffs that's a stupid comment puck.
Thats not a stupid comment at all.
Interestingly my entire family survived internment, and they survived being arrested during this last escapade.
Cos their sitting at home minding their f**king manners and not getting involved with dissident republican behaviour.
If they were, if they were in any way affiliated with RSF or the Real IRA - lock the b**tards up. If they were/are in any way connected with Real IRA activities - I have zero sympathy for them, even if all they did was gather information. They can rot. They wouldnt family or friends of mine.
You can take that how you will pints - but those are my very very firmly held beliefs.
Well I know someone who didn't survive internment and there wasn't and isn't a political bone in his body. There were countless others but the same things were probably said then as is being said now.
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Pints - you said the dogs on the street knew who killed Paul Quinn.
You really think that marian price knows nothing about the murder of the two soldiers?
I haven't a clue what she knows. Sure why dont they lift her family (like they with the maguires) and see what they know too. I find plenty wrong with the RUC arresting dozens and ruining lives when they clearly haven't a f**king clue who was responsible.
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on November 19, 2009, 06:29:54 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 19, 2009, 06:22:33 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on November 19, 2009, 06:19:27 PM
Come off it pints, these people who have been arrested and charged are hardly angels to begin with...
Considering the history of the RUC/british army pin pointing the wrong people I wouldnt say that so confidently.
Even if they're not angels I'm willing to bet most of them know nothing about killings.
pints, I would be the first to point out wrong-doing on behalf of the Brits if I thought that was what was going on. The way I see it they are putting pressure on the dissidents responsible by all these arrests. My problem with these dissidents (all of the different groups) is that politically they are going nowhere. The only thing they offer us, the people of these islands, is death and destruction, as shown in Craigavon and Massarene. Dissidents are a bunch of angry people who have no real ideology behind them apart from drunken conversations about freeing Ireland ::)
Would you want to go back to a war footing? I know I wouldn't want to see that happen and if it did, I would probably get the hell out of the place altogether
Do I know 100% that those arrested and charged are guilty? No I am not 100% - at the same time I can understand the motivation behind keeping some of them off the streets and yes, I would condone it for all the reasons I just stated
I agree with you on the dissidents but can't you see this nonsense from the RUC is helping them!