I am having this argument on a betting forum and I would be interested in your opinions...
There seems to be a toss up between American Football or Rugby... Am I blind in thinking that a Lighter small Ball in American Football makes it easier, then the Rugby Ball. I wouldn't even have American Football in the Top 3, (Rugby, Gaelic, Hurling)
Takes more skill to do it in Hurling without out a doubt IMHO
I wouldnt have hurling in the top 3!
Surely lighter ball = more movement because of the wind?
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 29, 2009, 06:16:09 PM
Takes more skill to do it in Hurling without out a doubt IMHO
No Chance - Small Heavy Ball, Its only distance that makes it difficult
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 29, 2009, 06:16:59 PM
Surely lighter ball = more movement because of the wind?
True, but smaller ball makes the posts bigger
Quote from: SidelineKick on January 29, 2009, 06:16:37 PM
I wouldnt have hurling in the top 3!
Why ???
Kicking a ball off the ground is one thing,but rising the ball off the ground and hitting it in mid air and still getting the direction right is much harder IMHO..
Jaysis even rising the ball is a skill in itself
Hurling? The ball is tiny and the target is (relatively) massive.
Why would American Football be a option?
Are all them kicks not straight in front of the posts?
I don't play hurling but like everyone else I'm sure have a stick in the house. I would be confident of knockin it between the posts from 50 yards out. Definitely easier than the footballing equivilant.
Quote from: SidelineKick on January 29, 2009, 06:24:48 PM
I don't play hurling but like everyone else I'm sure have a stick in the house. I would be confident of knockin it between the posts from 50 yards out. Definitely easier than the footballing equivilant.
I doubt it
Actually Rugby would probably be tough enough,I have never tried it in Rugby but would probably be one of the toughest
My ability or the fact that its easier? I can hit a ball theres not a problem there. Strking a ball off the ground its something very few people can do. You have much more control over something using your arms in comparison to your legs.
Quote from: SidelineKick on January 29, 2009, 06:24:48 PM
I don't play hurling but like everyone else I'm sure have a stick in the house. I would be confident of knockin it between the posts from 50 yards out. Definitely easier than the footballing equivilant.
maybe you should change your name to sidelinepoc then..
f**k naw I couldn't hit a sideline in hurling, you're opening up a whole different can of worms!
Anyone that says hurling is the easiest probably hasnt played it. One thing about American football is the ball is snapped to you with people trying to block it. In Rugby,football and hurling you are doing it at your own pace.
I dont play hurling myself..Can hit it over 50 yrds alright but just wouldnt be too confident on what direction it would go.
Quote from: Minder on January 29, 2009, 06:34:45 PM
Anyone that says hurling is the easiest probably hasnt played it. .
Thats what I was thinking
It's not as if you get tackled or anything while hittin it in hurling from a free. I have struck a ball manys a time in that fashion and I find it easier. Nobody can argue with the fact that I find it easier.
EDIT: by that reasoning you would have to have kicked an american football after the snap, a rugby ball from a tee and a football from the ground. Has anyone done all of the above?
Quote from: SidelineKick on January 29, 2009, 06:37:12 PM
It's not as if you get tackled or anything while hittin it in hurling from a free. I have struck a ball manys a time in that fashion and I find it easier. Nobody can argue with the fact that I find it easier.
what sport mentioned in the thread do you get tackled hitting a free?
Quote from: SidelineKick on January 29, 2009, 06:24:48 PM
I don't play hurling.
Quote from: SidelineKick on January 29, 2009, 06:37:12 PM
I have struck a ball manys a time in that fashion and I find it easier. Nobody can argue with the fact that I find it easier.
Which is it ???
Quote from: SidelineKick on January 29, 2009, 06:37:12 PM
It's not as if you get tackled or anything while hittin it in hurling from a free. I have struck a ball manys a time in that fashion and I find it easier. Nobody can argue with the fact that I find it easier.
No one is arguing that you don't find it easier..Your the only one that knows that...I dont find it easier though!
Have played Hurling, Gaelic and Rugby and would find kicking an oval ball from the touchline much more difficult then a sliotar. Much bigger scoring area, less impact of Ball weight and a hurl is able to produce greater speed on the Sliotar which makes time in air less....
Not saying there is much difference in the Gaelic round ball but sweet spot is smaller in an oval Ball...
In relation to American Football, It sometimes amazes me that they do not hit longer distances with it. They don't kick from sideline. Yes it is lighter, yes you have a line of defense running at you and ball may be moving, but the art of kicking a Rugby is much more difficult.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 29, 2009, 06:38:55 PM
Quote from: SidelineKick on January 29, 2009, 06:24:48 PM
I don't play hurling.
Quote from: SidelineKick on January 29, 2009, 06:37:12 PM
I have struck a ball manys a time in that fashion and I find it easier. Nobody can argue with the fact that I find it easier.
Which is it ???
I don't play per se, I have a hurley in the house like most. Would take it up to the pitch from time to time. People have baseball bats that doesnt mean they play baseball. Stop being petty.
Quote from: Maroon Heaven on January 29, 2009, 06:48:32 PM
Have played Hurling, Gaelic and Rugby and would find kicking an oval ball from the touchline much more difficult then a sliotar.
I would tend to agree to be honest. I'm well able to knock a sliotar between the posts from most distances. I wouldn't fancy trying to kick a rugby ball between the posts from the sideline.
At least not without a load of practice.
I think we should conduct an experiment to settle this very important issue.
We need one american football, a gaelic football, a rugby ball, a sliotar and a hurley.
We need one set of goalposts and a bit of pitch.
And we need an adult chimpanzee.
We will conduct 4 experiments:
We will determine how long (if at all) it takes to teach the chimpanzee to kick an american football between the posts;
We will determine how long (if at all) it takes to teach the chimpanzee to kick a gaelic football between the posts;
We will determine how long (if at all) it takes to teach the chimpanzee to kick a rugby ball between the posts;
We will determine how long (if at all) it takes to teach the chimpanzee to hit a sliotar with a hurley between the posts;
As a result we will be able to determine the relative difficulty of each task. Now who will get the chimp?
I'm en route to Poyntzpass as we speak.
Quote from: Hardy on January 29, 2009, 07:22:25 PM
I'm en route to Poyntzpass as we speak.
I was thinking the same thing! :D
Is the Chimp a member of the GPA before we rush into anything here
In hurling it is not massively to difficult to strike the ball accurately once you have mastered the basics.
What it is your favour is that you are hitting the sliotar with a flat surface area, so you should at least get a predictable outcome if you time the striking action correctly.
With the football it is more difficult because you are striking the ball with an uneven area - i.e. your boot, so you have a smaller sweet spot.
Also, other things to factor in.
You hands are by nature more dexterous than your feet, so it is easier to develop hand to eye co-ordination.
Your feet are further away from your brain, so it takes them that bit longer to react to brain signals.
Your legs are heavier also, so don't always adjust as quickly.
On the field of play, most hurlers who are capable of striking the ball up to 100 metres will expect to score at 65 metres range, if they are unmarked and in calm weather conditions.
The footballer who can kick the ball a distance 60 metres will probably struggle to regularly score points from 40 metres.
Quote from: Hardy on January 29, 2009, 07:22:25 PM
I'm en route to Poyntzpass as we speak.
If you're having difficluty, just tell him it's the prize from a competition he entered
If I'm having difficulty I'll just use the cattle prod.
Quote from: Hardy on January 29, 2009, 07:36:36 PM
If I'm having difficulty I'll just use the cattle prod.
That's the difference between Meathmen and Mayomen. I'd use a banana.
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on January 29, 2009, 07:32:01 PM
In hurling it is not massively to difficult to strike the ball accurately once you have mastered the basics.
What it is your favour is that you are hitting the sliotar with a flat surface area, so you should at least get a predictable outcome if you time the striking action correctly.
With the football it is more difficult because you are striking the ball with an uneven area - i.e. your boot, so you have a smaller sweet spot.
Also, other things to factor in.
You hands are by nature more dexterous than your feet, so it is easier to develop hand to eye co-ordination.
Your feet are further away from your brain, so it takes them that bit longer to react to brain signals.
Your legs are heavier also, so don't always adjust as quickly.
On the field of play, most hurlers who are capable of striking the ball up to 100 metres will expect to score at 65 metres range, if they are unmarked and in calm weather conditions.
The footballer who can kick the ball a distance 60 metres will probably struggle to regularly score points from 40 metres.
How about if you asked a footballer who never played hurling to take a free in hurling and vice versa with a hurler taking a free in football..
I think it would be easier for the hurler to kick the football over the bar than the footballer puck a sliothar over it..
Or even if you were to get someone who never played either sport,which do you think he'd master first?
I'd say kicking a football off the ground and landing it over the bar is a hell of a lot easier than rising a sliothar and banging it over the bar
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 29, 2009, 07:46:04 PM
How about if you asked a footballer who never played hurling to take a free in hurling and vice versa with a hurler taking a free in football..
I think it would be easier for the hurler to kick the football over the bar than the footballer puck a sliothar over it..
Or even if you were to get someone who never played either sport,which do you think he'd master first?
I'd say kicking a football off the ground and landing it over the bar is a hell of a lot easier than rising a sliothar and banging it over the bar
Finding a hurler who has never played football is nigh impossible. Every child will have had a football at some stage and will have acquired soem football skills without realising it.
The evidence of which is easier is in matches. Even some of the greatest exponents of football very often miss from within 30 metres.
However on a hurling team, most of the players wearing a jersey number greater than 4 tend to score once they get a decent bit of striking room in the opposition half.
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on January 29, 2009, 07:55:21 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 29, 2009, 07:46:04 PM
How about if you asked a footballer who never played hurling to take a free in hurling and vice versa with a hurler taking a free in football..
I think it would be easier for the hurler to kick the football over the bar than the footballer puck a sliothar over it..
Or even if you were to get someone who never played either sport,which do you think he'd master first?
I'd say kicking a football off the ground and landing it over the bar is a hell of a lot easier than rising a sliothar and banging it over the bar
Finding a hurler who has never played football is nigh impossible. Every child will have had a football at some stage and will have acquired soem football skills without realising it.
Exactly..
Anyone can kick a ball off the ground but rising a sliothar with a Hurl and striking it is a skill that has to be learned and mastered your not going to find someone that will be able to do it without practice,never mind trying to land it between the posts from 60 yards the art of actually hitting the ball after rising it would be difficult enough for someone who has never done it before.
For that reason alone I believe there is more skill in what a hurler has to do therefore making it harder for the ordinary Joe than kicking a ball off the ground......
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 29, 2009, 08:06:18 PM
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on January 29, 2009, 07:55:21 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 29, 2009, 07:46:04 PM
How about if you asked a footballer who never played hurling to take a free in hurling and vice versa with a hurler taking a free in football..
I think it would be easier for the hurler to kick the football over the bar than the footballer puck a sliothar over it..
Or even if you were to get someone who never played either sport,which do you think he'd master first?
I'd say kicking a football off the ground and landing it over the bar is a hell of a lot easier than rising a sliothar and banging it over the bar
Finding a hurler who has never played football is nigh impossible. Every child will have had a football at some stage and will have acquired soem football skills without realising it.
Exactly..
Anyone can kick a ball off the ground but rising a sliothar with a Hurl and striking it is a skill that has to be learned and mastered your not going to find someone that will be able to do it without practice,never mind trying to land it between the posts from 60 yards the art of actually hitting the ball after rising it would be difficult enough for someone who has never done it before.
For that reason alone I believe there is more skill in what a hurler has to do therefore making it harder for the ordinary Joe than kicking a ball off the ground......
Put it like this get a ball at the 40 and give some a day with each who has never played it.... Would be easier for with a hurl then the foot
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on January 29, 2009, 07:55:21 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 29, 2009, 07:46:04 PM
How about if you asked a footballer who never played hurling to take a free in hurling and vice versa with a hurler taking a free in football..
I think it would be easier for the hurler to kick the football over the bar than the footballer puck a sliothar over it..
Or even if you were to get someone who never played either sport,which do you think he'd master first?
I'd say kicking a football off the ground and landing it over the bar is a hell of a lot easier than rising a sliothar and banging it over the bar
Finding a hurler who has never played football is nigh impossible. Every child will have had a football at some stage and will have acquired soem football skills without realising it.
The evidence of which is easier is in matches. Even some of the greatest exponents of football very often miss from within 30 metres.
However on a hurling team, most of the players wearing a jersey number greater than 4 tend to score once they get a decent bit of striking room in the opposition half.
This is why I suggested using a champanzee, although we would obviously have to make sure he hadn't played football or hurling.
I think what laois is saying is that it would be harder for a non player of either sport to master the hurling deadball free, I would have to agee with him actually
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 29, 2009, 08:06:18 PM
Exactly..
Anyone can kick a ball off the ground but rising a sliothar with a Hurl and striking it is a skill that has to be learned and mastered your not going to find someone that will be able to do it without practice,never mind trying to land it between the posts from 60 yards the art of actually hitting the ball after rising it would be difficult enough for someone who has never done it before.
For that reason alone I believe there is more skill in what a hurler has to do therefore making it harder for the ordinary Joe than kicking a ball off the ground......
What I actually said was that rising a ball only seems hard because most people will have never done it before.
A huge proportion of the population will have never swung a hurley in their lives before.
Kicking a football will seem easier because most people will have grown up doing it at some stage.
The proof of which is actually harder are in the matches.
Hurling free takers have higher score rates than football ones.
On a lot of days the likes of Henry Shefflin or Joe Canning will stick over every single free they take.
No football freetaker will achieve the same scoring rate from dead balls.
It is fairly obvious which is the tougher to master.
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on January 29, 2009, 08:21:27 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 29, 2009, 08:06:18 PM
Exactly..
Anyone can kick a ball off the ground but rising a sliothar with a Hurl and striking it is a skill that has to be learned and mastered your not going to find someone that will be able to do it without practice,never mind trying to land it between the posts from 60 yards the art of actually hitting the ball after rising it would be difficult enough for someone who has never done it before.
For that reason alone I believe there is more skill in what a hurler has to do therefore making it harder for the ordinary Joe than kicking a ball off the ground......
What I actually said was that rising a ball only seems hard because most people will have never done it before.
A huge proportion of the population will have never swung a hurley in their lives before.
Kicking a football will seem easier because most people will have grown up doing it at some stage.
The proof of which is actually harder are in the matches.
Hurling free takers have higher score rates than football ones.
On a lot of days the likes of Henry Shefflin or Joe Canning will stick over every single free they take.
No football freetaker will achieve the same scoring rate from dead balls.
It is fairly obvious which is the tougher to master.
Maybe at a fundamental level footballers just aren't as skilful as hurlers ;)
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on January 29, 2009, 08:21:27 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 29, 2009, 08:06:18 PM
Exactly..
Anyone can kick a ball off the ground but rising a sliothar with a Hurl and striking it is a skill that has to be learned and mastered your not going to find someone that will be able to do it without practice,never mind trying to land it between the posts from 60 yards the art of actually hitting the ball after rising it would be difficult enough for someone who has never done it before.
For that reason alone I believe there is more skill in what a hurler has to do therefore making it harder for the ordinary Joe than kicking a ball off the ground......
What I actually said was that rising a ball only seems hard because most people will have never done it before.
A huge proportion of the population will have never swung a hurley in their lives before.
Kicking a football will seem easier because most people will have grown up doing it at some stage.
The proof of which is actually harder are in the matches.
Hurling free takers have higher score rates than football ones.
On a lot of days the likes of Henry Shefflin or Joe Canning will stick over every single free they take.
No football freetaker will achieve the same scoring rate from dead balls.
It is fairly obvious which is the tougher to master.
Maybe the likes of Shefflin are just better at what they do and there are better hurlers in Ireland than there are footballers :P
There is no way I can agree that kicking a ball off the ground is a harder skill to master than taking a free in hurling..
So what your saying is someone who has never played either(and lets suspend belief for this one and imagine someone has never kicked a ball ) would master the hurling free quicker than the football one...
Its all well and good talking about what the professionals do but my argument is based on the ordinary Joe and which he would find easier and IMHO taking a free in hurling would be much harder to master than taking one in football..
In fairness though the original question wasn't clear on who would find taking the different frees the hardest,I just believe the best test would be to get someone who hasn't done either and I think the hurling would be the hardest of the two...
Pointing a free for a beginner would be much more difficult in hurling than in football. But as time passed and with practice, the same beginner would have a better scoring range in hurling than he would have in football. At the top level in hurling missing a free straight in front of the posts 45 metres out is almost unforgivable. In football its merely 50/50. Now maybe this is because there are more accurate players in hurling.
I don't think so though, it has much more to do with the nature of the strike. Also the fact that a sliothar will travel further than a football makes the range altogether easier for the hurler. And its easier for hurlers in wet weather than footballers too.
In my experience there in the act of kicking a football has more scope to go wrong and it does so more.
For years I have been involved in training sessions with both hurling and football teams that take place simultaneously. Both sessions would almost always have prolonged passing drills.
The football drills go wrong in a big way more frequently. By this I mean kick passes getting sliced or ballooned 30-40 degrees off target.
In the hurling drills, no player would ever be more than 10 degrees off with his pass struck with stick.
Where the hurling drill would break down would be where the catch is missed, usually by a whisker.
In this scenario neither bunch of players are innately more skilled than the others. It is my own experience that kicking a football accurately proves more tricky as it has more scope to go wrong as I outlined earlier.
Watch both championships this year, you'll see plenty of attempts at points (from close distance) in football ballooned so wide that they wouldn't even get a point in Aussie Rules. The hurling wides will rarely be as glaring. It is hardly that the hurlers are more skilled, more that hitting a ball with a accurately hurley has less factors that make it a chancey art.
Just seem to be concentrating on certain sports here
What about Aussie Rules, Lacrosse, Olympic Handball etc etc?
I'd like to see some of ye try to score playing this sport :D
Forget the rest this has to be the hardest (http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=mzH0mvr7X2A)
Forget hurling vs football.
Shinty must be the most difficult (I presume they have posts)
Polo, especially if the nag is playing up.
Water polo, especially if you can't swim
Quote from: Minder on January 29, 2009, 06:34:45 PM
Anyone that says hurling is the easiest probably hasnt played it. One thing about American football is the ball is snapped to you with people trying to block it. In Rugby,football and hurling you are doing it at your own pace.
Anyone that says hurling is the hardest and has played it is a shite hurler! There are alot of seriously difficult skills in hurling but learning to puck a ball over the bar certainly isn't one of them!
Quote from: ardal on January 29, 2009, 09:45:50 PM
Water polo, especially if you can't swim
That made me laugh :D
Quote from: Tim Buzaglo on January 29, 2009, 10:13:55 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 29, 2009, 06:34:45 PM
Anyone that says hurling is the easiest probably hasnt played it. One thing about American football is the ball is snapped to you with people trying to block it. In Rugby,football and hurling you are doing it at your own pace.
Anyone that says hurling is the hardest and has played it is a shite hurler! There are alot of seriously difficult skills in hurling but learning to puck a ball over the bar certainly isn't one of them!
Did i say it was difficult? For a novice it would be a far harder skill to master than kicking a football over the bar, obviously this is all my humble opinion. It was never any bother to me though.........
I have played American football, hurling, football and rugby.
Played hurling for 1 season, football for a season and half, rugby for 4 years and american football 15 years.
I played more Def positions so my kicking would not be as strong or as accurate as a forward.
In hurling it was an easy adjustment to hit since I played baseball and hockey, although on the run took a time to master the swing.
Football I could hit it on the fly from 30 and less no problem.
American football was easy from 30 and less, even with the def rushing.
Rugby was difficult because of the shape and weight of the ball.
All would be easy taking frees depending on distance and wind.
Rugby would be the hardest to hit on the run IMHO.
Quote from: Minder on January 29, 2009, 10:22:21 PM
Quote from: Tim Buzaglo on January 29, 2009, 10:13:55 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 29, 2009, 06:34:45 PM
Anyone that says hurling is the easiest probably hasnt played it. One thing about American football is the ball is snapped to you with people trying to block it. In Rugby,football and hurling you are doing it at your own pace.
Anyone that says hurling is the hardest and has played it is a shite hurler! There are alot of seriously difficult skills in hurling but learning to puck a ball over the bar certainly isn't one of them!
Did i say it was difficult? For a novice it would be a far harder skill to master than kicking a football over the bar, obviously this is all my humble opinion. It was never any bother to me though.........
Usually when playing soccer Minder. I'd rather kick a football over the bar than a rugby ball.
I've never missed a penalty kick in rugby from any distance. Same for hurling frees. I've missed loads of frees in football.
Quote from: Hardy on January 29, 2009, 10:36:19 PM
I've never missed a penalty kick in rugby from any distance. Same for hurling frees. I've missed loads of frees in football.
f**k me it's Henry Shefflin's long lost brother, Johnny Wilkinson.
Quote from: Hardy on January 29, 2009, 10:36:19 PM
I've never missed a penalty kick in rugby from any distance. Same for hurling frees. I've missed loads of frees in football.
My hero!
Quote from: Hardy on January 29, 2009, 10:36:19 PM
I've never missed a penalty kick in rugby from any distance. Same for hurling frees. I've missed loads of frees in football.
Same as myself (although I should point out I never took any in Rugby or Hurling).
I've a 100% record from frees in Gaelic football. Thats something that Maurice Fitz or Peter Canavan or any of these shapers can't boast about
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on January 29, 2009, 11:47:09 PM
I've a 100% record from frees in Gaelic football. Thats something that Maurice Fitz or Peter Canavan or any of these shapers can't boast about
1 from 1?
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on January 29, 2009, 11:47:09 PM
I've a 100% record from frees in Gaelic football. Thats something that Maurice Fitz or Peter Canavan or any of these shapers can't boast about
You missed them all?
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on January 29, 2009, 11:47:09 PM
I've a 100% record from frees in Gaelic football. Thats something that Maurice Fitz or Peter Canavan or any of these shapers can't boast about
You play croquet?
It's not 1 from 1 I'll have you know :o
Its actually 2 from 2 :D
Playing outfield instead of nets in a junior game and we'd no freetaker so whoever got fouled took the free. Moi was fouled twice on the 21 yard line. Don't belittle it, its a 100% record and ya can't take that away from me ;D
Have to agree that Gaelic Football is the hardest. When younger it was always my aim to try and hit the 45s. Years and years of practice and I'd say if I've hit double figures of them I' be doing well. Played bits and pieces of Rugby but always found a Rugby ball fairly easy to hit with distanve and control. Haven't played much American football but I reckon I could do the same fairly handy.
If I had all 4 balls 45 yards out and slightly to either side it would be the Gaelic football I would struggle with the most.
Quote from: muppet on January 29, 2009, 10:58:35 PM
Quote from: Hardy on January 29, 2009, 10:36:19 PM
I've never missed a penalty kick in rugby from any distance. Same for hurling frees. I've missed loads of frees in football.
Same as myself (although I should point out I never took any in Rugby or Hurling).
Sorry - I should have mentioned that. Me too. And I'm confident of taking my 0% failure rate to the grave.
Lads, if the question is 'For a novice, which is easier/harder' I'd say hurling would be very difficult. The Action of lifting, and striking requires a good deal of practice in itself to make it smooth and repeatable, never mind adding the accuracy element.
A rugby ball is not as difficult to kick as you might imagine, but for a novice, it's very hard to figure out the best way to place it, etc.
American football is a harder ball to kick because it's smaller, narrower and more pointed than a rugby ball.
A gaelic football is round, and the most obvious 'ball' shape, so the learning curve wouldn't be as steep.
So, for a novice to take the time to learn and be able to take a free/penalty/field goal with no one trying to block, I'd say it would rank like this.
1. Hurling
2. American Football
3. Rugby
4. Gaelic Football.
For anyone with the skills mastered in a game situation, I would say the order would change. In my experience watching the games, and playing a bit, I would say a designated freetaker/goal kicker/place kicker misses more in Rugby than any other sport, followed by Gaelic Football (largely due to angles), Hurling and American Football (in that order). (American Football kickers only kick between the hash marks, so only long kicks are missed with any sort of frequency.
There's a yarn (don't know how true it is) that Johnny Wilkinson (the rugby fellah) used to practice his kicking with an O'Neills size 5 - he reckoned the sweet-spot was much smaller than for a rugby-ball or a soccer-ball, and it was better practice for accuracy (from his perspective anyway). The balls are all designed differently - I'd say that even Maurice Fitz would have had a problem popping over 10 50s with a soccer ball - it being too light to hit accurately, high and long.
No doubt about it billy. The ball is a huge factor in terms of kicking for distance with accuracy. A soccer ball is very light, so is an American football. I think the All time record for American Football is 63 yards, and it was set in Denver, with it's rarefied air. Fieldgoals over 45 yards are very good to get, and anything over 50 is celebrated wildly. Consider that the GAA 45 metre line is almost expected to be in range for a good freetaker, and it's obvious the differences that the ball makes. Rugby balls are heavy enough, comparatively, as well, which is why it's not totally uncommon to see good kickers having a pop from near the halfway line.
I'm more talking about the actual skill needed to strike the ball consistantly and accurately, from say 35 metres out or so.
As this is about hitting a dead ball and not on the run I would say that a football of the ground is the hardest while a football out of the hands would be the easiest.
I remember a few years ago, UTV I think it was showed David Humphreys and Peter Canavan each trying to kick a rugby and Gaelic ball over the bar. Peter could convert both with little trouble while David found it difficult to get the Gaelic ball of the ground.
With regards to hurling and football, the success rate in converting dead balls would be much higher in hurling. The skill of hitting the ball in hurling is one of the most difficult but this is the same with hitting the ball of the ground in football. I would say very few clubs would have more than a few people who can regularly convert 45's. Or for that matter have more than one goal keeper (even though it is a big part of their game) who can consistently hit long accurate kick outs.
Quote from: Minder on January 29, 2009, 06:34:45 PM
Anyone that says hurling is the easiest probably hasnt played it. One thing about American football is the ball is snapped to you with people trying to block it. In Rugby,football and hurling you are doing it at your own pace.
from open play football is prob the hardest - as usually you have a guy hanging off you or about to jump on you/block you
rugby drop goal would be easier though a guy will be running from 20 yards away to block you
Hurling is also difficult for the same reasons as football.
However scoring a sideline cut is the most difficult of them all.
Placed balls in rugby are easiest, then football, then us football.
Really think we are gonna need the Chimpanzees to solve this one :D
Any luck finding one muppet?
A complete novice trying to score from 45 yards with a hurl and sliother would more than likely swing and miss the ball completely, hurt his toe trying to kick the gaelic ball both the rugby ball and american football could go anywhere though more than likely no where near the goal posts.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 30, 2009, 12:31:32 PM
Really think we are gonna need the Chimpanzees to solve this one :D
Any luck finding one muppet?
~i'm still waiting for Hardy to come back from Pontzpass.
QuoteI don't play hurling but like everyone else I'm sure have a stick in the house. I would be confident of knockin it between the posts from 50 yards out. Definitely easier than the footballing equivilant.
Simple to sort out really - if you took a random Joe of the street who hadn't played Gaelic or Hurling and gave him a chance to attempt a free on the 45 with a football and with a stick and ball, I doubt he would even get the ball flicked up never mind connect with it. I would be confident that he could get the football close if not over.
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 30, 2009, 01:49:07 PM
QuoteI don't play hurling but like everyone else I'm sure have a stick in the house. I would be confident of knockin it between the posts from 50 yards out. Definitely easier than the footballing equivilant.
Simple to sort out really - if you took a random Joe of the street who hadn't played Gaelic or Hurling and gave him a chance to attempt a free on the 45 with a football and with a stick and ball, I doubt he would even get the ball flicked up never mind connect with it. I would be confident that he could get the football close if not over.
My point exactly
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 30, 2009, 01:50:28 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 30, 2009, 01:49:07 PM
QuoteI don't play hurling but like everyone else I'm sure have a stick in the house. I would be confident of knockin it between the posts from 50 yards out. Definitely easier than the footballing equivilant.
Simple to sort out really - if you took a random Joe of the street who hadn't played Gaelic or Hurling and gave him a chance to attempt a free on the 45 with a football and with a stick and ball, I doubt he would even get the ball flicked up never mind connect with it. I would be confident that he could get the football close if not over.
My point exactly
Unless you were unlucky, and the Random Joe turned out to be Joe Canning.
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 30, 2009, 01:53:23 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 30, 2009, 01:50:28 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 30, 2009, 01:49:07 PM
QuoteI don't play hurling but like everyone else I'm sure have a stick in the house. I would be confident of knockin it between the posts from 50 yards out. Definitely easier than the footballing equivilant.
Simple to sort out really - if you took a random Joe of the street who hadn't played Gaelic or Hurling and gave him a chance to attempt a free on the 45 with a football and with a stick and ball, I doubt he would even get the ball flicked up never mind connect with it. I would be confident that he could get the football close if not over.
My point exactly
Unless you were unlucky, and the Random Joe turned out to be Joe Canning.
........or Minder
I heard Minder has never missed a free in his life - is that true? I heard one day that he even hit one from his own 13 into Hurrican Katrinaesque winds and the ball still carried for 30 yards behind the net.
We may have found our chimp.
(http://www.flatrock.org.nz/topics/animals/assets/chimp_shot.jpg)
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 30, 2009, 01:57:25 PM
I heard Minder has never missed a free in his life - is that true? I heard one day that he even hit one from his own 13 into Hurrican Katrinaesque winds and the ball still carried for 30 yards behind the net.
So you have read my autobiography too Nrico? Good lad. My fans are very important to me.
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 30, 2009, 01:53:23 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 30, 2009, 01:50:28 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 30, 2009, 01:49:07 PM
QuoteI don't play hurling but like everyone else I'm sure have a stick in the house. I would be confident of knockin it between the posts from 50 yards out. Definitely easier than the footballing equivilant.
Simple to sort out really - if you took a random Joe of the street who hadn't played Gaelic or Hurling and gave him a chance to attempt a free on the 45 with a football and with a stick and ball, I doubt he would even get the ball flicked up never mind connect with it. I would be confident that he could get the football close if not over.
My point exactly
Unless you were unlucky, and the Random Joe turned out to be Joe Canning.
True...
We'd have to go somewhere where the chances of finding someone that was unskilled in both football or hurling were high...
Anyone got directions to Offaly?
Quote from: Minder on January 29, 2009, 06:34:45 PM
Anyone that says hurling is the easiest probably hasnt played it. One thing about American football is the ball is snapped to you with people trying to block it. In Rugby,football and hurling you are doing it at your own pace.
Afair, the blockers start their run at the same time the ball is passed back from behind the "scrum" to the placer who holds it in place for the kicker.
If you are measuring pressure into the equation of difficulty then does anything come close to that? (Dessie Dolan might have a story about pressure)
Was it last years play off for the superbowl in the AFL that the kicker missed a number of kicks but got the last crucial one from a distance?
Quote from: Main Street on January 30, 2009, 02:18:12 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 29, 2009, 06:34:45 PM
Anyone that says hurling is the easiest probably hasnt played it. One thing about American football is the ball is snapped to you with people trying to block it. In Rugby,football and hurling you are doing it at your own pace.
Afair, the blockers start their run at the same time the ball is passed back from behind the "scrum" to the placer who holds it in place for the kicker.
If you are measuring pressure into the equation of difficulty then does anything come close to that? (Dessie Dolan might have a story about pressure)
Was it last years play off for the superbowl in the AFL that the kicker missed a number of kicks but got the last crucial one from a distance?
Another aspect about American Football kickers is, and i know it is more about "pressure" than "difficulty", is that if a kicker misses a few bad kicks he is basically sacked or "cut" and someone else is brought in.
Quote from: muppet on January 30, 2009, 01:42:57 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 30, 2009, 12:31:32 PM
Really think we are gonna need the Chimpanzees to solve this one :D
Any luck finding one muppet?
~i'm still waiting for Hardy to come back from Pontzpass.
That turned out to be a bit of a disaster. Instead of sticking with my own cattle prod strategy I went with your more subtle banana approach. Not enough bananas. By about half a truckload. And now no cattle prod either.
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 30, 2009, 09:46:17 AM
Lads, if the question is 'For a novice, which is easier/harder' I'd say hurling would be very difficult. The Action of lifting, and striking requires a good deal of practice in itself to make it smooth and repeatable, never mind adding the accuracy element.
A rugby ball is not as difficult to kick as you might imagine, but for a novice, it's very hard to figure out the best way to place it, etc.
American football is a harder ball to kick because it's smaller, narrower and more pointed than a rugby ball.
A gaelic football is round, and the most obvious 'ball' shape, so the learning curve wouldn't be as steep.
So, for a novice to take the time to learn and be able to take a free/penalty/field goal with no one trying to block, I'd say it would rank like this.
1. Hurling
2. American Football
3. Rugby
4. Gaelic Football.
For anyone with the skills mastered in a game situation, I would say the order would change. In my experience watching the games, and playing a bit, I would say a designated freetaker/goal kicker/place kicker misses more in Rugby than any other sport, followed by Gaelic Football (largely due to angles), Hurling and American Football (in that order). (American Football kickers only kick between the hash marks, so only long kicks are missed with any sort of frequency.
AZ I think you've pretty much summed it up with this.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 30, 2009, 01:50:28 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 30, 2009, 01:49:07 PM
QuoteI don't play hurling but like everyone else I'm sure have a stick in the house. I would be confident of knockin it between the posts from 50 yards out. Definitely easier than the footballing equivilant.
Simple to sort out really - if you took a random Joe of the street who hadn't played Gaelic or Hurling and gave him a chance to attempt a free on the 45 with a football and with a stick and ball, I doubt he would even get the ball flicked up never mind connect with it. I would be confident that he could get the football close if not over.
My point exactly
The title "the ART of striking a dead ball" suggests something that has been mastered. A hurler would be more confident of a better success rate from all angles and distances than a footballer or rugby player would (distances would obviously be relevant to the sport)
I would say more 45s are missed than 65s.
I can't remember the last time Monaghan scored a 45.
Still cann't believe people think striking a sliotar is hard... My 6 year old son can strike a hurl from the 40.
The question was origionally put on the other forum that the people striking the ball were skillful enough in doing it....
Thinking this one might really be down to the player. I always had most success (comparatively) with a rugby ball followed by an American football. I was never a good free taker in football or hurling but I found both easier (after a few attempts) than American football (found rugby easiest of the lot). Always needed a few frees in football and hurling to get warmed up so to speak but once I did I found them easier than American football where just too many things could go wrong with the snap catch or hold and you were always relaying on someone else doing a good jobs or youd no hope.
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 30, 2009, 01:49:07 PM
QuoteI don't play hurling but like everyone else I'm sure have a stick in the house. I would be confident of knockin it between the posts from 50 yards out. Definitely easier than the footballing equivilant.
Simple to sort out really - if you took a random Joe of the street who hadn't played Gaelic or Hurling and gave him a chance to attempt a free on the 45 with a football and with a stick and ball, I doubt he would even get the ball flicked up never mind connect with it. I would be confident that he could get the football close if not over.
As has be pointed out before, few lads are complete novices when it comes to kicking a football so that isn't a true comparison but even if it was there is no way a complete novice would kick a 45 and out of ten I'd confidently say he wouldn't get anymore than one or two even close. Taking frees in hurling is one of the easier skills of the game, the difficult part of hurling for most people is controlling the ball but once they have the ball in the hand many of the skills of hurling are quite easy.
Quote from: Zulu on January 30, 2009, 05:18:05 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 30, 2009, 01:49:07 PM
QuoteI don't play hurling but like everyone else I'm sure have a stick in the house. I would be confident of knockin it between the posts from 50 yards out. Definitely easier than the footballing equivilant.
Simple to sort out really - if you took a random Joe of the street who hadn't played Gaelic or Hurling and gave him a chance to attempt a free on the 45 with a football and with a stick and ball, I doubt he would even get the ball flicked up never mind connect with it. I would be confident that he could get the football close if not over.
As has be pointed out before, few lads are complete novices when it comes to kicking a football so that isn't a true comparison but even if it was there is no way a complete novice would kick a 45 and out of ten I'd confidently say he wouldn't get anymore than one or two even close. Taking frees in hurling is one of the easier skills of the game, the difficult part of hurling for most people is controlling the ball but once they have the ball in the hand many of the skills of hurling are quite easy.
You are completely leaving out the fact that the novice has to rise the ball with the hurl to strike the ball over the bar,it was never part of the scenario that the hurler has the ball in the hand before he shoots
The point I was making is that scoring from a free is one of the easier aspects of hurling, a complete novice (if such a thing existed) at football would find it just as hard to kick a free as he would to puck a free over the bar. I've played as much hurling as I have football but one thing I've found to be true of hurling folk is that they think all the skills of hurling are difficult to master and they definitely all think any hurling skill is more difficult to perform than its football equivalent but this isn't true and the free is certainly one example of this.
Rubbish
by your definition then football is harder to master than hurling. so for instance a soccer player can strike a ball over the bar as the skill is not difficult to master. and he'd have a problem kicking a Gaelic football over the bar because it's more difficult ??? ???
very simple. if your club is a dual club then ask the football only players (you know the ones, always on the treatment table, getting their winter green on and fixing their hair) to try striking the ball over the bar with a hurl, then go to the hurling only lads and i'll bet they'll have far more success
One of the easiest things in hurling is lifting the ball dead off the ground and striking it.... Some of you hurlers would swear it takes some gift handed down from god....
The skill of hurling revolves around striking the ball on the run, catching and the wrist action during play...
If you had a team of 6 year olds training with hurls and gaelic balls you'll find the kids would be scoring points using hurls rather then place kicking...
Say we had Shefflin, Peter Canavan, Wilkinson and Vinitari standing on the Touchline at the 40, who would you bet your house on scoring...
Shefflin for me, then Canavan then Wilkinson... Vinitari would be allowed move his ball in so he has at least a 40% angle
Played a bit of rugby in my time,found a rughy ball far easier to kick from the ground,id have no doubt i could hit 5-6/10 from 40-45 metres.
Playing Gaelic Football my whole life,
and still i can only hit an odd 45 over the bar.
Quote from: milltown row on January 30, 2009, 06:12:59 PM
very simple. if your club is a dual club then ask the football only players ... to try striking the ball over the bar with a hurl, then go to the hurling only lads and i'll bet they'll have far more success
I presume you mean get the hurlers to kick a football? In that case, I'd put any money you like on any random set of footballers taking hurling frees from say 45m to outscore heavily any random set of hurlers kicking a football from the same distance. Or from a lot closer in, for that matter. For the reasons given by Bordnamona man and from observing the relative scoring rates from hurling 65s, for instance and football 45s.
Quote from: Zulu on January 30, 2009, 05:48:22 PM
The point I was making is that scoring from a free is one of the easier aspects of hurling, a complete novice (if such a thing existed) at football would find it just as hard to kick a free as he would to puck a free over the bar. I've played as much hurling as I have football but one thing I've found to be true of hurling folk is that they think all the skills of hurling are difficult to master and they definitely all think any hurling skill is more difficult to perform than its football equivalent but this isn't true and the free is certainly one example of this.
Agree, they'd sicken your hole.
But its true pints,hurling has a far higher skill level than football. I was always told that football was for those that could not master hurling.
I'd guess you were told that by hurling people?
Fastest field game in the world, you know. Does anyone know what that means?
i have a friend who would be quite athletic but never really played much sport.if i brought him down to a pitch and gave him a hurl,an o'neills,an american football and a rugby ball i reckon after say a week of practice he would have managed to score with each ball.
if i put a sliotar down on the sideline and asked him to cut it over the bar a la joe canning,i could come back in a year and he still wouldnt have come close!
Quote from: milltown row on January 30, 2009, 06:12:59 PM
Rubbish
by your definition then football is harder to master than hurling. so for instance a soccer player can strike a ball over the bar as the skill is not difficult to master. and he'd have a problem kicking a Gaelic football over the bar because it's more difficult ??? ???
very simple. if your club is a dual club then ask the football only players (you know the ones, always on the treatment table, getting their winter green on and fixing their hair) to try striking the ball over the bar with a hurl, then go to the hurling only lads and i'll bet they'll have far more success
What I said, if you care to re-read my post, is that there are aspects/skills of football which are more difficult than hurling to master and vice versa. I won't get into a debate with you about which sport is 'more skillful' as that is surely the most pathetic argument that GAA men can engage in. Your point, if that what it is, about soccer and football is nonsensical and your comment on footballers indicates you're from the 'football is only for bad hurlers' brigade, the most pathetic of all GAA men.
I've played with many lads over the years who were good at both codes and many lads who were poor at one or the other, there was no trend. I know plenty of very good hurlers who, despite playing as much football, are woeful footballers, likewise I know very good footballers that are useless hurlers, that is the nature of sport.
In my club most lads played both codes all the way up to U21 (at least) and all of them would be better at scoring frees in hurling than football, why? because it is easier, none of them would have any difficulty in the technique, the ball flight is truer and wind or underfoot conditions are less of a factor. But so what? Does that make hurling less of a game or inferior to football? Of course not and why some hurling 'heads' get all hot and bothered at the very notion that someone would suggest that any aspect of hurling isn't one of the most difficult things in the world to master I'll never know. I've been involved in hurling all my life to one degree or another but I've never bought into the 'riverdance' of sport bullshit that some fellas go on with.
Quote from: Hardy on January 30, 2009, 06:40:02 PM
Quote from: milltown row on January 30, 2009, 06:12:59 PM
very simple. if your club is a dual club then ask the football only players ... to try striking the ball over the bar with a hurl, then go to the hurling only lads and i'll bet they'll have far more success
I presume you mean get the hurlers to kick a football? In that case, I'd put any money you like on any random set of footballers taking hurling frees from say 45m to outscore heavily any random set of hurlers kicking a football from the same distance. Or from a lot closer in, for that matter.
I would put any money on it that your wrong...
Quote from: pintsofguinness on January 30, 2009, 06:48:24 PM
Quote from: Zulu on January 30, 2009, 05:48:22 PM
The point I was making is that scoring from a free is one of the easier aspects of hurling, a complete novice (if such a thing existed) at football would find it just as hard to kick a free as he would to puck a free over the bar. I've played as much hurling as I have football but one thing I've found to be true of hurling folk is that they think all the skills of hurling are difficult to master and they definitely all think any hurling skill is more difficult to perform than its football equivalent but this isn't true and the free is certainly one example of this.
Agree, they'd sicken your hole.
I'd say they are nearly as bad as the staunch football men who belittle hurling...
Zulu i play football and Hurling for Naomh Gall, i'd say were are a good enough football team and a good intermediate hurling club. my opinion is based on my own judgement.
your pathetic attempt at saying hurling is easier is based on your judgement, thats ok i think your talking rubbish, i also find that most, footballers who don't play hurling, are less manly, but again thats just my judgement ;D
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 30, 2009, 07:07:44 PM
Quote from: Hardy on January 30, 2009, 06:40:02 PM
Quote from: milltown row on January 30, 2009, 06:12:59 PM
very simple. if your club is a dual club then ask the football only players ... to try striking the ball over the bar with a hurl, then go to the hurling only lads and i'll bet they'll have far more success
I presume you mean get the hurlers to kick a football? In that case, I'd put any money you like on any random set of footballers taking hurling frees from say 45m to outscore heavily any random set of hurlers kicking a football from the same distance. Or from a lot closer in, for that matter.
I would put any money on it that your wrong...
We'll have to organise a competition, LL. I'll tell you what - I don't know how good a footballer you are and it doesn't matter. I've never played hurling in my life. I'll bet you €100 that if we meet up - maybe before some championship match later in the year - and you take 20 45s with the football and I take 20 45s with the hurley, I'll score more points than you.
Quote from: Hardy on January 30, 2009, 07:16:04 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 30, 2009, 07:07:44 PM
Quote from: Hardy on January 30, 2009, 06:40:02 PM
Quote from: milltown row on January 30, 2009, 06:12:59 PM
very simple. if your club is a dual club then ask the football only players ... to try striking the ball over the bar with a hurl, then go to the hurling only lads and i'll bet they'll have far more success
I presume you mean get the hurlers to kick a football? In that case, I'd put any money you like on any random set of footballers taking hurling frees from say 45m to outscore heavily any random set of hurlers kicking a football from the same distance. Or from a lot closer in, for that matter.
#
you'll have to take 65's. only fair
I would put any money on it that your wrong...
We'll have to organise a competition, LL. I'll tell you what - I don't know how good a footballer you are and it doesn't matter. I've never played hurling in my life. I'll bet you €100 that if we meet up - maybe before some championship match later in the year - and you take 20 45s with the football and I take 20 45s with the hurley, I'll score more points than you.
Can't believe this thread is still going . . .
If I was to get the starting 15 from our senior football team to each strike three 45's with a football, I reckon only three lads would score at all. Some lads wouldn't simply have the leg power to kick the ball that far, others wouldn't have the technique for kicking off the ground.
If I went in the road to the Castlebar Mitchels hurling team (a very average team, even by Mayo hurling standards) and got the starting fifteen to do the same, I'd be amazed if I could find more than 2 that couldn't convert one of their three efforts. Every single hurler playing at senior level should be able to strike the ball 45 metres and the sedantary nature of a free is the easiest way to strike a sliothar. Kicking an O'Neills 45 metres off the ground isn't near as important in football so to say that anyone that says pointing frees in hurling is easier than football is therefore casting aspersions on the skill level of hurling is ridiculous. Its simply the different nature of each game
Quoteyou'll have to take 65's. only fair
So you're saying it's easier to score points in hurling. Isn't that the opposite of what you've just been arguing?
Quote from: Hardy on January 30, 2009, 07:21:01 PM
Quoteyou'll have to take 65's. only fair
So you're saying it's easier to score points in hurling. Isn't that the opposite of what you've just been arguing?
Where's my chimp?
Quote from: Hardy on January 30, 2009, 07:21:01 PM
Quoteyou'll have to take 65's. only fair
So you're saying it's easier to score points in hurling. Isn't that the opposite of what you've just been arguing?
;D ;D ;D ;D
Just got in before me
Having lived in predominantly hurling counties all my life I can't say I've ever come across anti-hurling football men, all the football folk also follow the hurling in my experience. But I'd be equally quick to condemn a football 'snob' as i am a hurling one if they are out there. However getting back to the point, the one thing I can guarantee from my own experience is that the ratio of successful attempts from a free, if taken by all the senior players in any dual club, would be far higher for the hurling than the football.
QuoteZulu i play football and Hurling for Naomh Gall, i'd say were are a good enough football team and a good intermediate hurling club. my opinion is based on my own judgement.
your pathetic attempt at saying hurling is easier is based on your judgement
Once again you fail to either read or understand my post, I've never said that football is more skillful than hurling, I said some skills in hurling are easier than their equivalent in football, free taking being one. I've never concerned myself whether one sport was more skillful than the other, because as you say yourself, it is a matter of opinion and in the end of the day totally irrelevant.
QuoteWhere's my chimp?
Ship bananas urgently.
Quote from: Hardy on January 30, 2009, 07:23:32 PM
QuoteWhere's my chimp?
Ship bananas urgently.
Might oranges help as well?
Quote from: Hardy on January 30, 2009, 07:16:04 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 30, 2009, 07:07:44 PM
Quote from: Hardy on January 30, 2009, 06:40:02 PM
Quote from: milltown row on January 30, 2009, 06:12:59 PM
very simple. if your club is a dual club then ask the football only players ... to try striking the ball over the bar with a hurl, then go to the hurling only lads and i'll bet they'll have far more success
I presume you mean get the hurlers to kick a football? In that case, I'd put any money you like on any random set of footballers taking hurling frees from say 45m to outscore heavily any random set of hurlers kicking a football from the same distance. Or from a lot closer in, for that matter.
I would put any money on it that your wrong...
We'll have to organise a competition, LL. I'll tell you what - I don't know how good a footballer you are and it doesn't matter. I've never played hurling in my life. I'll bet you €100 that if we meet up - maybe before some championship match later in the year - and you take 20 45s with the football and I take 20 45s with the hurley, I'll score more points than you.
Does that mean we are the chimps :D
How about we go a step further and organise a gaaboard faceoff!!
QuoteWe'll have to organise a competition, LL. I'll tell you what - I don't know how good a footballer you are and it doesn't matter. I've never played hurling in my life. I'll bet you €100 that if we meet up - maybe before some championship match later in the year - and you take 20 45s with the football and I take 20 45s with the hurley, I'll score more points than you.
Jaysus you could sell tickets for that one - who would us Dubs shout for??? The Royal or the Laois man whose missus is a Dub but who hasn't let that spoil his high opinion of all things Dublin!!!!!!!!
Quote from: Hardy on January 30, 2009, 07:21:01 PM
Quoteyou'll have to take 65's. only fair
So you're saying it's easier to score points in hurling. Isn't that the opposite of what you've just been arguing?
Sure if you think it is easier to score points in hurling then you shouldn't have a problem taking them from 65?
Update:
The shootout is postponed as the chimp has kidnapped Tony and climbed to the top of the (now bent) goalposts.
Apparently the chimp has relatives in Tyrone.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 30, 2009, 07:37:23 PM
Quote from: Hardy on January 30, 2009, 07:21:01 PM
Quoteyou'll have to take 65's. only fair
So you're saying it's easier to score points in hurling. Isn't that the opposite of what you've just been arguing?
Sure if you think it is easier to score points in hurling then you shouldn't have a problem taking them from 65?
Sure if you think it's easier to score points in football then you shouldn't have a problem with me taking them from 45?
Muppet I'm confused now. I don't know whether it's oranges or bananas I'm supposed to be using and now a second chimp has appeared on the scene.
Quote from: Hardy on January 30, 2009, 07:51:02 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 30, 2009, 07:37:23 PM
Quote from: Hardy on January 30, 2009, 07:21:01 PM
Quoteyou'll have to take 65's. only fair
So you're saying it's easier to score points in hurling. Isn't that the opposite of what you've just been arguing?
Sure if you think it is easier to score points in hurling then you shouldn't have a problem taking them from 65?
Sure if you think it's easier to score points in football then you shouldn't have a problem with me taking them from 45?
I don't have a problem with it....
Do you not think you'd score them from 65 though or why was 45 mentioned first as if we were to stick to the rules of each game then a 45 in football is hurlings equivalent of a 65?
We were talking about whether it's easier to score in hurling or football, not whether it's easier to score from a short distance in football than from a long distance in hurling. Are ya looking to back out? :P
Quote from: Hardy on January 30, 2009, 07:52:12 PM
Muppet I'm confused now. I don't know whether it's oranges or bananas I'm supposed to be using and now a second chimp has appeared on the scene.
Sorry about the confusion. The chimp from Pontzpass arrived but he has a chimp on his shoulder. Hence the second chimp.
Quote from: Hardy on January 30, 2009, 08:03:11 PM
We were talking about whether it's easier to score in hurling or football, not whether it's easier to score from a short distance in football than from a long distance in hurling. Are ya looking to back out? :P
Not at all are you :D
But I assumed all along that when people were comparing both that they were following real life scenarios and in hurling a 65 is the same as a 45 in football...
You never answered my question btw :P
Interesting thread, good to see battle between the force of good (hurling) and evil (football).
Like a few lads i've olayed all four of the sports mentioned. Allow hurling would be my main sport. I feel i should give my views
Hitting a 65 in hurling about techinque rather than power. Once you step behind the 75 yard mark it becomes more about power.
The art of hitting a dead ball over the bar in football is about power. Less people can do it because it requires more muscle.
Rugby is about judgement of the conditions and setting the ball up correctly.
American football i know less about this one, imagine its simlar to rugby tho.
Im living over in liverpool, and have being teaching my english flatmate how to play hurling and gealic football.
He has most trouble with taking a free in hurling, id say from the he'd be lucky to score 3/10 from the 21. theres 4 differents bits to it, lining it up, the lift, the flick and strike. He has less bother putting over a size 5 from the 21 7/10 maybe.
Therefore id say a for a total novice hurling would the be most awkward.
Allow henry shefflin and eoin kelly make it look very easy.
This, as was always going to happen, is going around in circles but your friend would have some grounding in the art of kicking a ball (unless he is from Mars) but none in hurling therefore it isn't a fair comparison. Once he is ok with the technique of striking the ball he would undoubtedly score more with the small ball from the same areas than he would with the big one.
to be fair to my mate, he plays a fair bit of hockey.
Hit over 4 out of 4 65s (never hit one before or since) one day in club hurling match many years ago when deputizing for our freetaker who was away. He is lethal at them and nearly scores them all.
Imo scoring a 45 is harder. However scoring a goal in top level soccer imo is the most skilful/lethal of them all.
Quote from: Canalman on January 30, 2009, 10:52:18 PM
However scoring a goal in top level soccer imo is the most skilful/lethal of them all.
The soccer bashers on this board are gonna love that one :D
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 30, 2009, 10:57:33 PM
Quote from: Canalman on January 30, 2009, 10:52:18 PM
However scoring a goal in top level soccer imo is the most skilful/lethal of them all.
The soccer bashers on this board are gonna love that one :D
has got a point tho, a wall blocking the path to net.