The Orange Order mouthpiece who heads up the monocultural IFA was moaning in the papers about this young lad, who was born in Belfast but has declared to play for the land of his birth as opposed to the Belfast based Britsih football association. I hope that the FAI play hardball on this and tell Mr Kennedy where to stick his sash. >:(
He is someones cousin or close relation here i think
He wasnt born in Belfast Tony, he is Aghagallon born and bred!
Well if anyone knows the lad please encourage him to stick to his (non decommisioned) guns and tell the IFA to fcuk off. It is outrageous that cnuts like this can dare tell an Irish lad who he can and cannot play for
Id say he will play for Ireland and why wouldnt he? Perhaps the watcher pat can shed some more light on this?
Big story in yesterday's Sunday Death about how Worshipful Brother Kennedy was going to confront FIFA about this and the usual crap about the FAI "stealing our players etc". Apparently after Darron Gibson this is the last straw. These cnuts cannot even organise a semi professional league's players registration system properly, yet they are now going to advise FIFA on the complexities of international eligibility :(
I hear he made his debut the other nite mickey, how did he get on??
Quote from: T Fearon on December 22, 2008, 01:03:27 PM
Big story in yesterday's Sunday Death about how Worshipful Brother Kennedy was going to confront FIFA about this and the usual crap about the FAI "stealing our players etc". Apparently after Darron Gibson this is the last straw. These cnuts cannot even organise a semi professional league's players registration system properly, yet they are now going to advise FIFA on the complexities of international eligibility :(
All this despite the fact that FIFA have already ruled in the IFA's favour on the issue.
Quote from: JimStynes on December 22, 2008, 01:33:48 PM
I hear he made his debut the other nite mickey, how did he get on??
he played very well Jim.He was playing right back and put in a lovely ball for Crouch's first goal!
Quote from: dublinfella on December 22, 2008, 01:35:59 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on December 22, 2008, 01:03:27 PM
Big story in yesterday's Sunday Death about how Worshipful Brother Kennedy was going to confront FIFA about this and the usual crap about the FAI "stealing our players etc". Apparently after Darron Gibson this is the last straw. These cnuts cannot even organise a semi professional league's players registration system properly, yet they are now going to advise FIFA on the complexities of international eligibility :(
All this despite the fact that FIFA have already ruled in the IFA's favour on the issue.
fact ;D
What's your source for that? the IFA website? about the only place where you would find a source who actually believes that.
On Marc Wilson, he has stated that each to his own but he is comfortable in his declaration for the Republic, he said he grew up supporting the Republic and he has been capped at all underage levels since.
More chance of him lining out for derryhirk reserves than NI
Quote from: Main Street on December 22, 2008, 02:51:16 PM
Quote from: dublinfella on December 22, 2008, 01:35:59 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on December 22, 2008, 01:03:27 PM
Big story in yesterday's Sunday Death about how Worshipful Brother Kennedy was going to confront FIFA about this and the usual crap about the FAI "stealing our players etc". Apparently after Darron Gibson this is the last straw. These cnuts cannot even organise a semi professional league's players registration system properly, yet they are now going to advise FIFA on the complexities of international eligibility :(
All this despite the fact that FIFA have already ruled in the IFA's favour on the issue.
fact ;D
What's your source for that? the IFA website? about the only place where you would find a source who actually believes that.
On Marc Wilson, he has stated that each to his own but he is comfortable in his declaration for the Republic, he said he grew up supporting the Republic and he has been capped at all underage levels since.
As it should be. Fair play to him.
Quote from: Main Street on December 22, 2008, 02:51:16 PM
What's your source for that? the IFA website? about the only place where you would find a source who actually believes that.
On Marc Wilson, he has stated that each to his own but he is comfortable in his declaration for the Republic, he said he grew up supporting the Republic and he has been capped at all underage levels since.
Media reported at the time that Gibson got to stay a FAI player, but no further 6 county born players could play for the 26 county team. Being capped at underage level doesn't matter anymore.
I think its a bad decision, but it was the decision of FIFA. Especially if Marc Wilson does not hold a British passport he will be ineligible for the 6. But the fact remains FIFA require a player to have lived in the juristiction of his team for 5 years and Marc Wilson has not.
From what I hear, the lad qualifies for the Republic through the grandparent rule, which means the story was inaccurate as it argued he didn't. But DON'T be surprised if he does in fact opt to play for the statelet
Quote from: red hander on December 22, 2008, 03:26:59 PM
From what I hear, the lad qualifies for the Republic through the grandparent rule, which means the story was inaccurate as it argued he didn't. But DON'T be surprised if he does in fact opt to play for the statelet
Grandparent rule is gone. Thats why the IFA are kicking up a fuss.
There are new eligibilty criteria for international ball. The FAI tried to argue the special case that is the Irish 'border' but lost.
Quote from: dublinfella on December 22, 2008, 03:20:19 PM
Media reported at the time that Gibson got to stay a FAI player, but no further 6 county born players could play for the 26 county team. Being capped at underage level doesn't matter anymore.
.I think its a bad decision, but it was the decision of FIFA. Especially if Marc Wilson does not hold a British passport he will be ineligible for the 6. But the fact remains FIFA require a player to have lived in the juristiction of his team for 5 years and Marc Wilson has not.
So you have no sources, no knowledge of the rules but take the media reports as fact. You are a soft target.
You should have read the relevant discussion board threads.
The Media reported the IFA statement as they were the only ones to go public.
The IFA just can't keep their mouth shut, it's called premature ejaculation.
FIFA have stated that everything is the same as before.
The FAI have stated that everything is the same as before.
The wording of the FIFA articles support the FIFA and the FAI interpretation.
The rules were only clarified with new wording, no new rule was introduced.
There was no FIFA congress vote on new rules because there were no new rules.
These are the facts.
Three young lads from Derry have declared for the Republic since FIFA discarded the IFA's objections.
EDIT
already discussed ad nauseum here
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=8000.0 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=8000.0)
The solution is for all six county players who wish to play for the FAI All Ireland team (not the "Republic") simply refuse to play for the six county unionist team, then take their cases to the European Court of Human rights a la Bosman, then FIFA will act unambiguously and do whats right
Quote from: T Fearon on December 22, 2008, 04:39:49 PM
The solution is for all six county players who wish to play for the FAI All Ireland team (not the "Republic") simply refuse to play for the six county unionist team, then take their cases to the European Court of Human rights a la Bosman, then FIFA will act unambiguously and do whats right
Yeah Tony, the ECHR and FIFA will take a stance on the Irish constitutional question because a footballer asked them to.
Whats the weather like on your planet?
Quote from: Main Street on December 22, 2008, 04:00:42 PM
Quote from: dublinfella on December 22, 2008, 03:20:19 PM
Media reported at the time that Gibson got to stay a FAI player, but no further 6 county born players could play for the 26 county team. Being capped at underage level doesn't matter anymore.
.I think its a bad decision, but it was the decision of FIFA. Especially if Marc Wilson does not hold a British passport he will be ineligible for the 6. But the fact remains FIFA require a player to have lived in the juristiction of his team for 5 years and Marc Wilson has not.
So you have no sources, no knowledge of the rules but take the media reports as fact. You are a soft target.
You should have read the relevant discussion board threads.
The Media reported the IFA statement as they were the only ones to go public.
The IFA just can't keep their mouth shut, it's called premature ejaculation.
FIFA have stated that everything is the same as before.
The FAI have stated that everything is the same as before.
The wording of the FIFA articles support the FIFA and the FAI interpretation.
The rules were only clarified with new wording, no new rule was introduced.
There was no FIFA congress vote on new rules because there were no new rules.
These are the facts.
Three young lads from Derry have declared for the Republic since FIFA discarded the IFA's objections.
EDIT
already discussed ad nauseum here
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=8000.0 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=8000.0)
So FIFA didn't change the rules in light of the Quatari incident?
Like it or not Marc Wilson has never lived in the 26 counties, nor have his parents or grandparents. Having a passport is no longer enough by itself. The IFA have a technical point, despite it being petty and vindictive.
Quote from: dublinfella on December 22, 2008, 05:26:24 PM
EDIT
already discussed ad nauseum here
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=8000.0 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=8000.0)
So FIFA didn't change the rules in light of the Quatari incident?
Like it or not Marc Wilson has never lived in the 26 counties, nor have his parents or grandparents. Having a passport is no longer enough by itself. The IFA have a technical point, despite it being petty and vindictive.
Marc Wilson is a dual national, with citizenship from birth, he don't need no parents or grandparents born in the 26 co. to get that.
The Annex document introduced in 2003 referred to players acquiring a new nationality.
Players with dual nationality (from birth) were not affected by that document, therefore the FAI could select players born in the North and continue to do so.
The Annex document was incorporated into FIFA rules in June 2008 - is now article nr 17.
Dual nationals are under article 15, Marc Wilson qualifies for the Republic under article 15.
Single nationals with federation options is now article 16 eg British national with 4 football federations.
Quote from: dublinfella on December 22, 2008, 05:26:24 PM
Quote from: Main Street on December 22, 2008, 04:00:42 PM
Quote from: dublinfella on December 22, 2008, 03:20:19 PM
Media reported at the time that Gibson got to stay a FAI player, but no further 6 county born players could play for the 26 county team. Being capped at underage level doesn't matter anymore.
.I think its a bad decision, but it was the decision of FIFA. Especially if Marc Wilson does not hold a British passport he will be ineligible for the 6. But the fact remains FIFA require a player to have lived in the juristiction of his team for 5 years and Marc Wilson has not.
So you have no sources, no knowledge of the rules but take the media reports as fact. You are a soft target.
You should have read the relevant discussion board threads.
The Media reported the IFA statement as they were the only ones to go public.
The IFA just can't keep their mouth shut, it's called premature ejaculation.
FIFA have stated that everything is the same as before.
The FAI have stated that everything is the same as before.
The wording of the FIFA articles support the FIFA and the FAI interpretation.
The rules were only clarified with new wording, no new rule was introduced.
There was no FIFA congress vote on new rules because there were no new rules.
These are the facts.
Three young lads from Derry have declared for the Republic since FIFA discarded the IFA's objections.
EDIT
already discussed ad nauseum here
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=8000.0 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=8000.0)
So FIFA didn't change the rules in light of the Quatari incident?
Like it or not Marc Wilson has never lived in the 26 counties, nor have his parents or grandparents. Having a passport is no longer enough by itself. The IFA have a technical point, despite it being petty and vindictive.
How the frick do you know that??
The sooner the IFA realise that 40% of the north follow the Irish team that plays in dublin, and aspires to wear their jersey, the better.
Quote from: Main Street on December 22, 2008, 05:36:09 PM
Marc Wilson is a dual national, with citizenship from birth, he don't need no parents or grandparents born in the 26 co. to get that.
The Annex document introduced in 2003 referred to players acquiring a new nationality.
Players with dual nationality (from birth) were not affected by that document, therefore the FAI could select players born in the North and continue to do so.
The Annex document was incorporated into FIFA rules in June 2008 - is now article nr 17.
Dual nationals are under article 15, Marc Wilson qualifies for the Republic under article 15.
Single nationals with federation options is now article 16 eg British national with 4 football federations.
Much as I would love you to be right, Marc Wilson is 21 and did not have duel citizenship since birth. The GFA was signed in 1998, so at some point he 'acquired' a ROI passport.
This is not as simple as you are trying to make out. Its doubly hazy since he played for the 6 counties at underage level.
Quote from: stiffler on December 22, 2008, 05:36:51 PM
The sooner the IFA realise that 40% of the north follow the Irish team that plays in dublin, and aspires to wear their jersey, the better.
They do realise it, hence the efforts to stop them.
Quote from: dublinfella on December 22, 2008, 05:41:45 PM
Quote from: Main Street on December 22, 2008, 05:36:09 PM
Marc Wilson is a dual national, with citizenship from birth, he don't need no parents or grandparents born in the 26 co. to get that.
The Annex document introduced in 2003 referred to players acquiring a new nationality.
Players with dual nationality (from birth) were not affected by that document, therefore the FAI could select players born in the North and continue to do so.
The Annex document was incorporated into FIFA rules in June 2008 - is now article nr 17.
Dual nationals are under article 15, Marc Wilson qualifies for the Republic under article 15.
Single nationals with federation options is now article 16 eg British national with 4 football federations.
Much as I would love you to be right, Marc Wilson is 21 and did not have duel citizenship since birth. The GFA was signed in 1998, so at some point he 'acquired' a ROI passport.
Have you even read the relevant rules from FIFA?
What is your level of comprehension of rule 15 and rule 16?
What is your level of comprehension about the Irish constitution?
The GFA has nothing to do with a person born on this Island being entitled to Irish citizenship.
That has been a persons birthright since the Free State was founded and enshrined in constitution of the Republic.
The GFA has nothing all to do with FIFA rules of eligibility. No bearing at all.
QuoteThis is not as simple as you are trying to make out.
Nothing wrong with a simplicity arising from a a clear enough comprehension.
QuoteIts doubly hazy since he played for the 6 counties at underage level
Nothing hazy about that at all, if you understand the FIFA rules of eligibility.
There are rules for changing federations.
Rule nr. 18
Quote from: T Fearon on December 22, 2008, 04:39:49 PM
The solution is for all six county players who wish to play for the FAI All Ireland team (not the "Republic") simply refuse to play for the six county unionist team, then take their cases to the European Court of Human rights a la Bosman, then FIFA will act unambiguously and do whats right
A player does not need permission from the IFA to do what he is entitled to do, i.e. declare for the Republic.
That permission is enshrined in FIFA rules of eligibility for National federations.
Fortunatly for the players, while FIFA are fronted by politicians in suits, there is a backbone of a legal department to make sure the rules are adhered to properly. That is one of the reasons the players from the North have been allowed to declare for the Republic, there is a proper legal understanding in FIFA of the rules of eligibility and the dual citizenship that is the birthright of players like Marc Wilson.
Should a player from the North be refused permission to register with the FAI then it would be up to the FAI to take it up with FIFA.
If FIFA were still not shifting then the FAI can only take it to the Sports Courts of Arbitration.
Then the ruling from that Sports Court is final. There is no going to the European Court of Human Rights.
Apparently she was in the Sun last week, anyone see it?? I missed it >:(
Would her name be Chelsea White by any chance??
http://www.page3.com/girl/chelsea_white/index.shtml?currentPage=7#main-image (NWS LINK)
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So FIFA didn't change the rules in light of the Quatari incident?
Like it or not Marc Wilson has never lived in the 26 counties, nor have his parents or grandparents. Having a passport is no longer enough by itself. The IFA have a technical point, despite it being petty and vindictive.
[/quote]
Maik Taylor, current NI goalie has never lived in NI and qualifies due to having a GB passport which allowed him to pick whichever GB nation he wanted to play for. Since he would never get near the England team he picked NI he is not the first and will not be the last to do this.
Now Maik Taylor would have to fulfill some criteria if he didn't want to declare for England, he would have to live in NI for 2 years,
therefore there won't be a rush from any players holding a UK passport (ie those without a parent or grandparent from NI).
English born Alex Bruce declared for the Republic (unfortunatly) as he has a NI mother (fortunate or unfortunate?), that entitled him to apply for an Irish passport and qualify for the FAI..
So if Alex Bruce and any other player can qualify for Ireland just having a mother born in NI, how can anybody still believe that it is any different for a player born in the 6 counties.
Quote from: dublinfella on December 22, 2008, 03:20:19 PM
Quote from: Main Street on December 22, 2008, 02:51:16 PM
What's your source for that? the IFA website? about the only place where you would find a source who actually believes that.
On Marc Wilson, he has stated that each to his own but he is comfortable in his declaration for the Republic, he said he grew up supporting the Republic and he has been capped at all underage levels since.
Media reported at the time that Gibson got to stay a FAI player, but no further 6 county born players could play for the 26 county team. Being capped at underage level doesn't matter anymore.
I think its a bad decision, but it was the decision of FIFA. Especially if Marc Wilson does not hold a British passport he will be ineligible for the 6. But the fact remains FIFA require a player to have lived in the juristiction of his team for 5 years and Marc Wilson has not.
link please !
its unlikely to be true (as is most of what you say) as this would contravene EU law/legislation (rem bosman ?) for a start !
Quote from: dublinfella on December 22, 2008, 05:41:45 PM
Much as I would love you to be right, Marc Wilson is 21 and did not have duel citizenship since birth. The GFA was signed in 1998, so at some point he 'acquired' a ROI passport.
Wrong. Go and read the GFA. This lad does not have dual nationality as he's Irish from birth if he so wishes. He did not need to acquire an ROI passport to prove his nationality.
Quote from: red hander on December 22, 2008, 03:26:59 PM
From what I hear, the lad qualifies for the Republic through the grandparent rule, which means the story was inaccurate as it argued he didn't. But DON'T be surprised if he does in fact opt to play for the statelet
Doesnt qualify this way...Doesnt make any difference, he wont play for NI anyway.....who does kennedy think he is? "WE WILL DO ALL WE CAN TO MAKE MARC PLAY FOR NI"
Ballocks you cant make anyone do what they dont want to do....
Quote from: Donagh on December 23, 2008, 02:20:38 AM
Wrong. Go and read the GFA. This lad does not have dual nationality as he's Irish from birth if he so wishes. He did not need to acquire an ROI passport to prove his nationality.
If he is born in the North he is a dual national. He is British by birth whether he wants it or not, he is Irish by birth whether he wants it or not. The GFA means feck all in this debate, this debate is about FIFA eligibility.
Quote from: carribbear on December 22, 2008, 11:47:18 PM
link please !
its unlikely to be true (as is most of what you say) as this would contravene EU law/legislation (rem bosman ?) for a start !
Read the thread better. There is no EU legislation or Bosmon that applies.
That stuff is about employment and contract.
Declaring for the Republic national team is not a contractual issue.
What matters are the FIFA rules of eligibility, they determine the criteria for national team eligibility. FIFA have constantly backed the FAI in this issue.
If Alex Bruce can declare with only a NI born mother then it would be a glaring stupidity if a NI born youngster was refused permission to declare.
No NI youngster can be deprived of his/her right under FIFA rules to declare for the Republic.
If they have been capped at an underage level for NI then they have until they are 21 years to switch to the Republic.
Quote from: The Watcher Pat on December 23, 2008, 07:55:15 AM
Quote from: red hander on December 22, 2008, 03:26:59 PM
From what I hear, the lad qualifies for the Republic through the grandparent rule, which means the story was inaccurate as it argued he didn't. But DON'T be surprised if he does in fact opt to play for the statelet
Doesnt qualify this way...Doesnt make any difference, he wont play for NI anyway.....who does kennedy think he is? "WE WILL DO ALL WE CAN TO MAKE MARC PLAY FOR NI"
Ballocks you cant make anyone do what they dont want to do....
Hangover this morning Watcher?
Marc Wilson was absolutely raging at that Sunday Life article. It said he was from Crumlin ffs.
Quote from: The Gs Man on December 23, 2008, 09:47:43 AM
Quote from: The Watcher Pat on December 23, 2008, 07:55:15 AM
Quote from: red hander on December 22, 2008, 03:26:59 PM
From what I hear, the lad qualifies for the Republic through the grandparent rule, which means the story was inaccurate as it argued he didn't. But DON'T be surprised if he does in fact opt to play for the statelet
Doesnt qualify this way...Doesnt make any difference, he wont play for NI anyway.....who does kennedy think he is? "WE WILL DO ALL WE CAN TO MAKE MARC PLAY FOR NI"
Ballocks you cant make anyone do what they dont want to do....
Hangover this morning Watcher?
Marc Wilson was absolutely raging at that Sunday Life article. It said he was from Crumlin ffs.
Crumlin???? WTF? Any wonder he is upset!
Quote from: The Gs Man on December 23, 2008, 09:47:43 AM
Quote from: The Watcher Pat on December 23, 2008, 07:55:15 AM
Quote from: red hander on December 22, 2008, 03:26:59 PM
From what I hear, the lad qualifies for the Republic through the grandparent rule, which means the story was inaccurate as it argued he didn't. But DON'T be surprised if he does in fact opt to play for the statelet
Doesnt qualify this way...Doesnt make any difference, he wont play for NI anyway.....who does kennedy think he is? "WE WILL DO ALL WE CAN TO MAKE MARC PLAY FOR NI"
Ballocks you cant make anyone do what they dont want to do....
Hangover this morning Watcher?
Marc Wilson was absolutely raging at that Sunday Life article. It said he was from Crumlin ffs.
Im not too bad...Only 4 hrs to go then the Garrick is going to get it!!
Quote from: The Watcher Pat on December 23, 2008, 07:55:15 AM
Quote from: red hander on December 22, 2008, 03:26:59 PM
From what I hear, the lad qualifies for the Republic through the grandparent rule, which means the story was inaccurate as it argued he didn't. But DON'T be surprised if he does in fact opt to play for the statelet
Doesnt qualify this way...Doesnt make any difference, he wont play for NI anyway.....who does kennedy think he is? "WE WILL DO ALL WE CAN TO MAKE MARC PLAY FOR NI"
Ballocks you cant make anyone do what they dont want to do....
Glad to hear it Pat. Hope he tells Worthington to f**k off if he rings him this week
Quote from: red hander on December 23, 2008, 10:40:26 AM
Quote from: The Watcher Pat on December 23, 2008, 07:55:15 AM
Quote from: red hander on December 22, 2008, 03:26:59 PM
From what I hear, the lad qualifies for the Republic through the grandparent rule, which means the story was inaccurate as it argued he didn't. But DON'T be surprised if he does in fact opt to play for the statelet
Doesnt qualify this way...Doesnt make any difference, he wont play for NI anyway.....who does kennedy think he is? "WE WILL DO ALL WE CAN TO MAKE MARC PLAY FOR NI"
Ballocks you cant make anyone do what they dont want to do....
Glad to hear it Pat. Hope he tells Worthington to f**k off if he rings him this week
It doesn't matter where on the planet he was actually born as long he has parent/s or grandparent/s who were born in the 32 counties.
The fact that he was born in the 32 counties and qualifies to be an Irish citizen means that it doesn't matter a fiddlers fart where his parents/grandparents are born.
The ball is totally in Marc Wilson's court to chose which team he wants to play for.
Quote from: Main Street on December 23, 2008, 09:33:25 AM
Quote from: Donagh on December 23, 2008, 02:20:38 AM
Wrong. Go and read the GFA. This lad does not have dual nationality as he's Irish from birth if he so wishes. He did not need to acquire an ROI passport to prove his nationality.
If he is born in the North he is a dual national. He is British by birth whether he wants it or not, he is Irish by birth whether he wants it or not. The GFA means feck all in this debate, this debate is about FIFA eligibility.
Don't believe the spin MS, it has everything to do with the GFA.
Quote from: Main Street on December 23, 2008, 11:48:26 AM
It doesn't matter where on the planet he was actually born as long he has parent/s or grandparent/s who were born in the 32 counties.
The fact that he was born in the 32 counties and qualifies to be an Irish citizen means that it doesn't matter a fiddlers fart where his parents/grandparents are born.
And it was the GFA that granted him this as a bithright for the first time.
Quote from: Main Street on December 23, 2008, 09:42:40 AM
Quote from: carribbear on December 22, 2008, 11:47:18 PM
link please !
its unlikely to be true (as is most of what you say) as this would contravene EU law/legislation (rem bosman ?) for a start !
Read the thread better. There is no EU legislation or Bosmon that applies.
That stuff is about employment and contract.
Declaring for the Republic national team is not a contractual issue.
What matters are the FIFA rules of eligibility, they determine the criteria for national team eligibility. FIFA have constantly backed the FAI in this issue.
If Alex Bruce can declare with only a NI born mother then it would be a glaring stupidity if a NI born youngster was refused permission to declare.
No NI youngster can be deprived of his/her right under FIFA rules to declare for the Republic.
If they have been capped at an underage level for NI then they have until they are 21 years to switch to the Republic.
He's right
being stopped declaring for a country IS akin to declaring for a country's passport
in this way you are then being denied your rights under EU law if what is being said to stop young Wilson is true - its illegal under EU law.
Falls under citezens rights charter.
The by product is the contract rights but this particular instance based on self determination when multiple passports are indeed available.
Until there is a closing or ruling as to who can declare for which country Ireland/England based on birthplace/parent/grandparent - then this remains very much open and there will be feck all fifa can do to make any case that will ALWAYS be over ruled by the proper legislation adhered to be EU and supported by UN.
You view is correct within the realm of fifa, but in reality would never stand up in a court of law which will ruel in favour for the likes of Wilson (as in bosman before him) every time.
ifa might not like that, but maybe they should take the hint ! they dont really exist as a country therefore will never win these ! ;) :D
I just hope the FAI have the balls to pursue this all the way and not lie down to keep sweet with their fellow junket parasites in Belfast.
If Marc is pissed off about the article he should ring the odious little fudgepacker who wrote it and tell him so
Quote from: Donagh on December 23, 2008, 12:11:08 PM
Quote from: Main Street on December 23, 2008, 11:48:26 AM
It doesn't matter where on the planet he was actually born as long he has parent/s or grandparent/s who were born in the 32 counties.
The fact that he was born in the 32 counties and qualifies to be an Irish citizen means that it doesn't matter a fiddlers fart where his parents/grandparents are born.
And it was the GFA that granted him this as a bithright for the first time.
It was his birthright since the Free State was founded.
Dual citizenship has existed for decades before GFA.
Your birthright is not granted by the Brits or the NI assembly. Your birthright to Irish citizenship is in the Republic's constitution.
QuoteDon't believe the spin MS, it has everything to do with the GFA.
The GFA is SFA when it comes to dual nationality, Irish citizenship has been the birthright of all born on Island since 1922.
It is astonishing that you are not aware of that.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on December 23, 2008, 12:35:45 PM
He's right
being stopped declaring for a country IS akin to declaring for a country's passport
in this way you are then being denied your rights under EU law if what is being said to stop young Wilson is true - its illegal under EU law.
Falls under citezens rights charter.
The by product is the contract rights but this particular instance based on self determination when multiple passports are indeed available.
Which one?
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:32000X1218(01):EN:HTML (http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:32000X1218(01):EN:HTML)
QuoteUntil there is a closing or ruling as to who can declare for which country Ireland/England based on birthplace/parent/grandparent - then this remains very much open and there will be feck all fifa can do to make any case that will ALWAYS be over ruled by the proper legislation adhered to be EU and supported by UN.
It has already been decided. FIFA have accepted the applications from NI born players to declare for the Republic and have continued to do so since the FAI first started the process.
FIFA stated in 2006 that there was nothing wrong with this practice. FIFA considered an appeal from the IFA and threw it out last December.
What more do you want?
What part of -
anyone born anywhere on the planet with a parent/ grandparent from the 6 counties has the right to declare for the Republic - do you not get?
Can it be clearer?
QuoteYou view is correct within the realm of fifa, but in reality would never stand up in a court of law which will ruel in favour for the likes of Wilson (as in bosman before him) every time.
Bosman is contractual, freedom of movement.
International football is not contractual.
National football eligibility criteria comes straight from FIFA´s constitution.
The IFA had 4 weeks only to take FIFA´s decision, to have no change made last December in Japan, to the Sports court.
Instead they went around screaming "we won" "we won".
Each sport federation has its own national eligibility criteria.
i think ms has pretty much got it dead on.
Quote from: nifan on December 23, 2008, 06:38:44 PM
Quote from: red hander on December 23, 2008, 12:58:06 PM
fudgepacker
classy ::)
do you know mrs robinson?
I had to look up what that term meant.
You caught him red hander.
Quote from: Main Street on December 22, 2008, 09:17:58 PM
A player does not need permission from the IFA to do what he is entitled to do, i.e. declare for the Republic.
That permission is enshrined in FIFA rules of eligibility for National federations.
Fortunatly for the players, while FIFA are fronted by politicians in suits, there is a backbone of a legal department to make sure the rules are adhered to properly. That is one of the reasons the players from the North have been allowed to declare for the Republic, there is a proper legal understanding in FIFA of the rules of eligibility and the dual citizenship that is the birthright of players like Marc Wilson.
Should a player from the North be refused permission to register with the FAI then it would be up to the FAI to take it up with FIFA.
If FIFA were still not shifting then the FAI can only take it to the Sports Courts of Arbitration.
Then the ruling from that Sports Court is final. There is no going to the European Court of Human Rights.
that sums it up in a nut shell. btw imo if it was left up to fifa (with the british influence) they would have found a way to stop players born in ni opting for the roi. the reality is fifa cannot stop it so the ifa can rant on all they want.
Quote from: Main Street on December 23, 2008, 06:12:53 PM
It was his birthright since the Free State was founded.
Dual citizenship has existed for decades before GFA.
Your birthright is not granted by the Brits or the NI assembly. Your birthright to Irish citizenship is in the Republic's constitution.
No it wasn't. When I first got my passport in the 80's I had to prove eligibility through my grandparents being born on the island pre-partition. Now that qualification doesn't exist since the GFA had the consitution changed.
Quote from: Main Street on December 23, 2008, 06:12:53 PM
The GFA is SFA when it comes to dual nationality, Irish citizenship has been the birthright of all born on Island since 1922.
It is astonishing that you are not aware of that.
If you think the GFA gives people in the north dual nationality then you misunderstand the concept. The GFA guarantees the right to Irish
or British nationality
or both so if Wilson chooses not to adopt dual nationality he can be Irish only if he so wishes. Article 2 of Bunreacht na hÉireann was changed to reflect this.
Being a Monaghan man who has never had to prove eligibility to hold the passport which reflects your nationality it does not astonish me that you were not aware of this or the significance of the change.
Quote from: Donagh on December 23, 2008, 07:49:06 PM
Quote from: Main Street on December 23, 2008, 06:12:53 PM
It was his birthright since the Free State was founded.
Dual citizenship has existed for decades before GFA.
Your birthright is not granted by the Brits or the NI assembly. Your birthright to Irish citizenship is in the Republic's constitution.
No it wasn't. When I first got my passport in the 80's I had to prove eligibility through my grandparents being born on the island pre-partition. Now that qualification doesn't exist since the GFA had the consitution changed.
i have no idea why that was donagh - pre gfa people born in ni were able to get irish passports by virtue of the fact that they were born in ireland.
Quote from: magickingdom on December 23, 2008, 08:12:59 PM
i have no idea why that was donagh - pre gfa people born in ni were able to get irish passports by virtue of the fact that they were born in ireland.
I just found the following on Wiki:
Under the Irish Nationality and Citizenship Act, 1956, any person born on the island of Ireland was:
* automatically an Irish citizen if born:
o in the Republic of Ireland, or
o in Northern Ireland before 6 December 1922; or
o in Northern Ireland on or after 6 December 1922 with a parent who was an Irish citizen at the time of birth
* entitled to be an Irish citizen if born in Northern Ireland and not automatically an Irish citizenAs my parents were born after 1922 and my father refused to carry a "Free State" passport for a long time, to be entitled to my automatic nationality I had to prove I was the son of an Irish citizen by supplying evidence that my grandparents were born on the island pre-1922. Easy enough to do but it was by no means an automatic birthright as MS implies. Thankfully this indignity was abolished by the GFA and now northerners have almost the same rights as southerners.
under the 1956 act anyone born on the island of ireland was entitled to an irish passport. during the days of article 2 and 3 that was a constitutional right which could only be changed by referendum (and was at the time of gfa)
Quote from: magickingdom on December 23, 2008, 08:48:42 PM
under the 1956 act anyone born on the island of ireland was entitled to an irish passport. during the days of article 2 and 3 that was a constitutional right which could only be changed by referendum (and was at the time of gfa)
But northerners had to prove entitlement. Besides, being entitled to a passport is not the same as automatic nationality or citizenship which is the case now. Therefore can Wilson qualifiy for the Irish soccer team under the same criteria as players born in the south i.e. there is no need to go down any convoluted routes with arguments about dual citizenship. If he so wishes, he is Irish, end of... This is guranteed by international treaty registered with the UN, the Good Friday Agreement. The IFA and FIFA would have some job getting around that.
Quote from: Donagh on December 23, 2008, 08:25:56 PM
Quote from: magickingdom on December 23, 2008, 08:12:59 PM
i have no idea why that was donagh - pre gfa people born in ni were able to get irish passports by virtue of the fact that they were born in ireland.
I just found the following on Wiki:
Under the Irish Nationality and Citizenship Act, 1956, any person born on the island of Ireland was:
* automatically an Irish citizen if born:
o in the Republic of Ireland, or
o in Northern Ireland before 6 December 1922; or
o in Northern Ireland on or after 6 December 1922 with a parent who was an Irish citizen at the time of birth
* entitled to be an Irish citizen if born in Northern Ireland and not automatically an Irish citizen
As my parents were born after 1922 and my father refused to carry a "Free State" passport for a long time, to be entitled to my automatic nationality I had to prove I was the son of an Irish citizen by supplying evidence that my grandparents were born on the island pre-1922. Easy enough to do but it was by no means an automatic birthright as MS implies. Thankfully this indignity was abolished by the GFA and now northerners have almost the same rights as southerners.
You have to go to the horses mouth. It states clearly that if you were over 18, you just had to declare yourself, if you were not of age then your guardian had to declare you, in the "prescribed manner".
It is my understanding that the "prescribed manner" was filling out a form with a harp on top.
If not, then I am truly astonished.
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1956/en/act/pub/0026/sec0007.html (http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1956/en/act/pub/0026/sec0007.html)
Irish Nationality and Citizenship Act, 1956
Section 6. subsection (1) Every person born in Ireland is an Irish citizen from birth.
Section 7 subsection( 1) Pending the re-integration of the national territory, subsection (1) of section 6 shall not apply to a person, not otherwise an Irish citizen, born in Northern Ireland on or after the 6th December, 1922, unless, in the prescribed manner, that person, if of full age, declares himself to be an Irish citizen or, if he is not of full age, his parent or guardian declares him to be an Irish citizen. In any such case, the subsection shall be deemed to apply to him from birth.
Quote from: Main Street on December 23, 2008, 09:43:20 PM
You have to go to the horses mouth. It states clearly that if you were over 18, you just had to declare yourself, if you were not of age then your guardian had to declare you, in the "prescribed manner".
It is my understanding that the "prescribed manner" was filling out a form with a harp on top.
If not, then I am truly astonished.
i.e. there was not automatic citizenship on the same basis as southerners at the time and as we have today.
So the situation pre GFA was that northerners were British and if they declared/proved, then they could be Irish as well as British (dual). The situation now is that northerners can automatically be either (Irish or British) or both. An important and significant distinction especially with regard to Wilson as he now bypasses all of that FIFA nonsense.
Quote from: Main Street on December 23, 2008, 06:37:15 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on December 23, 2008, 12:35:45 PM
He's right
being stopped declaring for a country IS akin to declaring for a country's passport
in this way you are then being denied your rights under EU law if what is being said to stop young Wilson is true - its illegal under EU law.
Falls under citezens rights charter.
The by product is the contract rights but this particular instance based on self determination when multiple passports are indeed available.
Which one?
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:32000X1218(01):EN:HTML (http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:32000X1218(01):EN:HTML)
QuoteUntil there is a closing or ruling as to who can declare for which country Ireland/England based on birthplace/parent/grandparent - then this remains very much open and there will be feck all fifa can do to make any case that will ALWAYS be over ruled by the proper legislation adhered to be EU and supported by UN.
It has already been decided. FIFA have accepted the applications from NI born players to declare for the Republic and have continued to do so since the FAI first started the process.
FIFA stated in 2006 that there was nothing wrong with this practice. FIFA considered an appeal from the IFA and threw it out last December.
What more do you want?
What part of - anyone born anywhere on the planet with a parent/ grandparent from the 6 counties has the right to declare for the Republic - do you not get?
Can it be clearer?
QuoteYou view is correct within the realm of fifa, but in reality would never stand up in a court of law which will ruel in favour for the likes of Wilson (as in bosman before him) every time.
Bosman is contractual, freedom of movement.
International football is not contractual.
National football eligibility criteria comes straight from FIFA´s constitution.
The IFA had 4 weeks only to take FIFA´s decision, to have no change made last December in Japan, to the Sports court.
Instead they went around screaming "we won" "we won".
Each sport federation has its own national eligibility criteria.
I am not sure what you are arguing about as what you have said is effectively the same as I am saying...
the only addition or difference is that if ifa or fifa tried to force their ruling upon this wilson lad or anyone else, it would be another 'bosman-like' situation, where the EU courts would rule in favour of the person and their human rights to in this case belong to Ireland and eligible for an Irish passport.
Magic kingdom is right, if fifa had the ability to stop this , it would have been done long before now. They know eu law would destroy them !
Quote from: Donagh on December 23, 2008, 10:23:14 PM
Quote from: Main Street on December 23, 2008, 09:43:20 PM
You have to go to the horses mouth. It states clearly that if you were over 18, you just had to declare yourself, if you were not of age then your guardian had to declare you, in the "prescribed manner".
It is my understanding that the "prescribed manner" was filling out a form with a harp on top.
If not, then I am truly astonished.
i.e. there was not automatic citizenship on the same basis as southerners at the time and as we have today.
So the situation pre GFA was that northerners were British and if they declared/proved, then they could be Irish as well as British (dual). The situation now is that northerners can automatically be either (Irish or British) or both. An important and significant distinction especially with regard to Wilson as he now bypasses all of that FIFA nonsense.
Agreed, in that it was not as automatic.
But it was just another form to fill out. There was no requirement to prove anything other than you were born in the 6 counties.
To meet that requirement of proof for place of birth and guarantor was the same for everybody, even those more Irish than you:).
Legally it was the same as dual citizenship because you had the birthright to declare and legally that would satisfy FIFA criteria right to the present day.
It was just the FAI agreed to leave Northern born alone to the IFA until Brian Kerr came along
Quote from: lynchbhoy on December 23, 2008, 10:24:12 PM
I am not sure what you are arguing about as what you have said is effectively the same as I am saying...
basically this bit you wrote
"Until there is a closing or ruling as to who can declare for which country Ireland/England based on birthplace/parent/grandparent - then this remains very much open"
Even Inspector Clouseau would agree that it is a shut case :)
Quote from: Main Street on December 24, 2008, 12:55:14 AM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on December 23, 2008, 10:24:12 PM
I am not sure what you are arguing about as what you have said is effectively the same as I am saying...
basically this bit you wrote
"Until there is a closing or ruling as to who can declare for which country Ireland/England based on birthplace/parent/grandparent - then this remains very much open"
Even Inspector Clouseau would agree that it is a shut case :)
I expect you are taking the p**s by saying that !
Right now there is too much ambiguity and open endedness in the status quo.
Passport eligibility rolled in with the backing of eu law will allow people to declare for Ireland,england, wales, scotland and floating statelet for the forseeable future.
Thats way too undefinded for someone pedantic like myself.
I think its wrong but until unification time, the Ireland eligibility question wont be closed, even then the england/scotland/wales thing will still be a problem.
Just because these are not challenged as much as Irish players, doesnt mean there is not another massive loop hole (from a soccer affiliation perspective)!
Marc's making his PL debut on Friday...13.00 match...Hopefully it will be on live somewhere....
This is him in the link below incase anyone is looking out for him..
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=2t2mDCekeb4
Good to see Marc getting a start and hitting the post with a header.
Bellamy was awesome on the left though, but hopefully Marc done enough to keep his place.
Ye been talking to him Pat? What was the verdict???
Quote from: The Gs Man on December 27, 2008, 12:25:31 AM
Good to see Marc getting a start and hitting the post with a header.
Bellamy was awesome on the left though, but hopefully Marc done enough to keep his place.
Ye been talking to him Pat? What was the verdict???
not yet Gs man...hopefully he'll keep his place for the Arsenal Match at the emirates....
I told him last night "just get me a top any top" lol
Quote from: The Watcher Pat on December 27, 2008, 12:51:53 AM
Quote from: The Gs Man on December 27, 2008, 12:25:31 AM
Good to see Marc getting a start and hitting the post with a header.
Bellamy was awesome on the left though, but hopefully Marc done enough to keep his place.
Ye been talking to him Pat? What was the verdict???
not yet Gs man...hopefully he'll keep his place for the Arsenal Match at the emirates....
I told him last night "just get me a top any top" lol
Think he's keeping his place
was talking to his bro earlier..
How many f**king cousins do you have Pat??!?
If I had another f**ker coming in asking "What price Marc Wilson first goalscorer?" "What price Marc Wilson anytime goal?"
Then every one seemed to be his cousin when I asked!!
33/1 1st, 9/1 anytime by the way.
I have about 30 cousins at least...good catholic family...no contreception in them days.....I take it was connor was in the bookies earlire???
Had a stormer today by the way...
Quote from: The Watcher Pat on December 27, 2008, 05:42:34 PM
was talking to his bro earlier..
I've heard it said that Wilson has a grandfather from Dublin, which if true, would make the whole "debate" over his eligibility redundant. Do you know whether he has?
Quote from: Evil Genius on December 28, 2008, 06:37:32 PM
Quote from: The Watcher Pat on December 27, 2008, 05:42:34 PM
was talking to his bro earlier..
I've heard it said that Wilson has a grandfather from Dublin, which if true, would make the whole "debate" over his eligibility redundant. Do you know whether he has?
Point I made earlier in the debate ... also heard this (BTW, would be remisss not to welcome you back, EG)
Quote from: The Watcher Pat on December 28, 2008, 06:08:43 PM
I have about 30 cousins at least...good catholic family...no contreception in them days.....I take it was connor was in the bookies earlire???
Had a stormer today by the way...
No stormer but did a job. Nasri was on him early on and was doing well, robbed him of possession in the first 10 mins. Then Wenger swapped him with Bendtner as there was nothing coming through the middle. Bendtner started well on him but Wilson fairly shackled him after that. He didn't get forward but I'm sure Adams had given him instructions not to. Tidy player, rarely wastes possession and not out of place at that level.
Watcher, heard he had a good game. Did he get you a top???? Im sure you and Cheeser would be fighting over it!!
Quote from: Evil Genius on December 28, 2008, 06:37:32 PM
Quote from: The Watcher Pat on December 27, 2008, 05:42:34 PM
was talking to his bro earlier..
I've heard it said that Wilson has a grandfather from Dublin, which if true, would make the whole "debate" over his eligibility redundant. Do you know whether he has?
it doesn't matter, deal with it ;D
his grandfather is not from Dublin..his grandfathers father was from Dublin.
I have it on good authority that he will 100% definitely NOT be going to play for Northern Ireland. Theres an interesting article in todays Irish Star about it.
I see Lurgans second finest was involved in fisty-cuffs with David Nugent, you would fancy yourself in a scrap with Nugent though as he couldn't hit a cows arse with a banjo.
By the sounds of it neither could have hit a cows arse with a banjo as they were both full of booze
Wilson hit Nugent in the leg with a piece of wood, thats him out for a few months again ::)
Crisis club Portsmouth sunk to a new low after two of their players fought each other in a brutal hotel brawl during their trip to Portugal.
Striker David Nugent was allegedly hit across the legs with a lump of wood by defender Marc Wilson during the fight. The amazing bust-up took place in a corridor outside their rooms and were witnessed by team-mates who were forced to step in to prevent the situation escalating even further.
The incident took place at the Villa hotel in Guimares, where the Pompey squad and staff had been staying, in the early hours of Sunday morning.
Hours earlier the team, shorn of theirtop stars who have been sold, were crushed 4-0 by Benfica in a pre-season friendly.
It is believed both Nugent and Wilson had been drinking before the fight broke out.
Onlookers describe Republic of Ireland defender Wilson, 21, as being "out of control" as they battled to calm him down.
Nugent, who was already suffering from a toe injury, is not thought to have been seriously hurt in the assault.
You can take the boy out of Lurgan..........
Was this hotel under renovation or is it common to have lumps of wood lying in the corridors?
young fella must have taken a stash of buckfast with him to preseason
Apparently it was a wardrobe rail, I suppose Nugent is lucky he wasn't knee-capped!
Fair play to Wilson.. take no nonsense!!!
And the lads not from Lurgan...he's from Aghagallon. If he'd been from Lurgan he'd have smashed Nugent's face in then he'd have beat the rest of the team for trying to break it up :D :D :D
Quote from: illdecide on August 05, 2009, 11:29:24 AM
And the lads not from Lurgan...he's from Aghagallon. If he'd been from Lurgan he'd have smashed Nugent's face in then he'd have beat the rest of the team for trying to break it up :D :D :D
Then shagged his wife!
Quote from: johnneycool on August 05, 2009, 12:04:34 PM
Quote from: illdecide on August 05, 2009, 11:29:24 AM
And the lads not from Lurgan...he's from Aghagallon. If he'd been from Lurgan he'd have smashed Nugent's face in then he'd have beat the rest of the team for trying to break it up :D :D :D
Then shagged his wife!
Correct saan ;)
Are we against this or encouraging it?
Quote from: longball on August 05, 2009, 12:23:34 PM
Are we against this or encouraging it?
Encouraging it as that Nugent guy no doubt started it and prob called him a Lurgan tr**p
Quote from: illdecide on August 05, 2009, 12:43:09 PM
Quote from: longball on August 05, 2009, 12:23:34 PM
Are we against this or encouraging it?
Encouraging it as that Nugent guy no doubt started it and prob called him a Lurgan tr**p
I now pronounce you Sir David Nugent ;)
Has there been an official Gaa Board statement yet from The Watcher Pat?
From Goal.com
Portsmouth Striker David Nugent To Be Sold After Brawl - Report
Pompey's alleged trouble maker will make a move to the Potters after angering the Fratton Park management...
5 Aug 2009 13:06:47
Portsmouth striker David Nugent is set to make a cut-price move to Stoke City after being sent home from the club's pre-season tour.
After Pompey suffered a four-nil defeat on tour in Portugal, Nugent and team-mate Marc Wilson were reported to have fought in a hotel corridor.
Both players were immediately sent home from the tour and fined two-weeks wage by the club.
Looks like Nugent is the one being shipped out, this could indicate that he was the instigator in the row.
Good to see that the irishman has a bit of fight in him all the same!
Quote from: fred the red on August 05, 2009, 01:41:18 PM
Looks like Nugent is the one being shipped out, this could indicate that he was the instigator in the row.
Or could indicate that he's been a very expensive waste of money. He's been there 2 seasons and I'd guess he's not even in double figures for goals yet.
Quote from: Rav67 on August 05, 2009, 01:47:42 PM
Quote from: fred the red on August 05, 2009, 01:41:18 PM
Looks like Nugent is the one being shipped out, this could indicate that he was the instigator in the row.
Or could indicate that he's been a very expensive waste of money. He's been there 2 seasons and I'd guess he's not even in double figures for goals yet.
Nugent had a poor first season, but he played quite well last season. He was often playing on the wing on a 4 5 1 system, and was one on pompeys best players after christmas(granted the whole team was quite poor in general). With the sale of Crouch, Nugent and Kanu are the only recognised strikers left at the club, if the club were to sell him, they would have before now.
has anyone seen this mans girlfriend?
Quote from: fred the red on August 05, 2009, 01:41:18 PM
From Goal.com
Portsmouth Striker David Nugent To Be Sold After Brawl - Report
Looks like Nugent is the one being shipped out, this could indicate that he was the instigator in the row.
Or, considering Pompey are selling every damned thing they can at the moment, it could mean that Nugent's wages are significantly higher than Wilson's and they might even get a bit of a fee for him. Whereas a young fringe full back on (presumably) commensurate wages would likely not attract a fee of any great significance?
''Lurgan man in drunken brawl''
How is an incidence of this nature even considered a newsworthy event these days?
Right Watcher Pat, shine a bit of light on this story.
The watcher Pat is unable to get on the board in work anymore. I have asked him for an offical statement via email and I should be able to post it very shortly.
The Gaaboard in yet another world exclusive!
Sorry to diapoint lads. The watcher has declined to comment until he gets the full details! We should hear more on Wilsongate this evening
Quote from: High Wide and Handsome on August 05, 2009, 01:54:56 PM
has anyone seen this mans girlfriend?
He doesnt have one. Split 5-6 weeks ago.
Think Nugent has been sniffing around and thats what started the trouble.
Quote from: The Watcher Pat on August 05, 2009, 05:21:36 PM
Quote from: High Wide and Handsome on August 05, 2009, 01:54:56 PM
has anyone seen this mans girlfriend?
He doesnt have one. Split 5-6 weeks ago.
Think Nugent has been sniffing around and thats what started the trouble.
Nugent was sniffing around Wilson's woman?
There are 2 things he should know about Lurgan men..............dont touch their Buckie or their 'women'
Pompey certs to go down this year imo.
Quote from: DennistheMenace on August 05, 2009, 05:27:48 PM
Pompey certs to go down this year imo.
Definitely they have no real good players left...
Quote from: full back on August 05, 2009, 05:23:38 PM
Quote from: The Watcher Pat on August 05, 2009, 05:21:36 PM
Quote from: High Wide and Handsome on August 05, 2009, 01:54:56 PM
has anyone seen this mans girlfriend?
He doesnt have one. Split 5-6 weeks ago.
Think Nugent has been sniffing around and thats what started the trouble.
Nugent was sniffing around Wilson's woman?
There are 2 things he should know about Lurgan men..............dont touch their Buckie or their 'women'
Suppose you
could call them that ;)
Quote from: DennistheMenace on August 05, 2009, 05:27:48 PM
Pompey certs to go down this year imo.
Wouldn't say certs though certainly they'll struggle. Don't think Wigan will go well, they got most of their points last year before Christmas and their form dipped alarmingly once they sold Palacious and Heskey. They've since lost Valencia and Steve Bruce. Big test for Martinez. Hull will likely struggle again while Stoke may be found out a bit as teams get wise to their tactics. Then you've got the 3 promoted sides. Very hard to predict at this stage.
http://www.portsmouthfc.co.uk/index.php?cms_ref=news&qs_article_id=2727
http://www.portsmouthfc.co.uk/index.php?cms_ref=news&qs_article_id=2727
Wee cuz doing well...MOM last week and playing against the gooners today...
Was talking to him last night and warned him to get me Asharvin's, RVP or Cescs top...Lol
Quote from: The Watcher Pat on August 22, 2009, 09:31:59 AM
http://www.portsmouthfc.co.uk/index.php?cms_ref=news&qs_article_id=2727
http://www.portsmouthfc.co.uk/index.php?cms_ref=news&qs_article_id=2727
Wee cuz doing well...MOM last week and playing against the gooners today...
Was talking to him last night and warned him to get me Asharvin's, RVP or Cescs top...Lol
80/1 first goalscorer with extrabet!
he played well against the gunners last season too.
is there any word of him being called into the Ireland squad Pat?
Haven't heard nothing yet...If he keeps playing well there's no reason why not Micky!!
Hopefully against Italy and get us a few tickets!!
Massey wll have to run a bus to that!
Quote from: Mickey Linden on August 22, 2009, 10:11:17 AM
Massey wll have to run a bus to that!
There's already a Derryhirk supporters bus goes from the Tray.....£10 a head return...I've went to the llast 3 matches on it .....Some craic!!!!!
Imagine what it will be like if Marc plays!!
Quote from: Mickey Linden on August 22, 2009, 09:49:50 AM
is there any word of him being called into the Ireland squad Pat?
Squad named.....exact same as Australia squad.
Quote from: Eastern_Pride on August 22, 2009, 01:56:16 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on August 22, 2009, 09:49:50 AM
is there any word of him being called into the Ireland squad Pat?
Squad named.....exact same as Australia squad.
The exact same! Surely that breaks every rule in the book!!