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Show posts MenuQuote from: Main Street on March 23, 2022, 05:49:47 PMEh?
But good to have EG (temporarily) suspend whatever lingers from historic dna embedded unionist privilege and throw his weight behind "Let's get Casement built now" albeit for IFA self interest.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on March 22, 2022, 09:09:45 PMWhen the stadium was rebuilt, along with the government, the FAI and IRFU both put up funding in return for a share of the receipts from their respective events. I can't remember what the split was, but I do know the FAI needed/chose to borrow their share against future ticket sales etc.Quote from: Evil Genius on March 22, 2022, 08:53:31 PMTry that again...
Indeed [the FAI are] not even providing a stadium... ....seeing as how the IRFU effectively owns the AVIVA.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on March 22, 2022, 07:59:51 PMTbf, the FAI didn't really "do" anything, they had this handed to them by the Englsih FA and all they had to do was pledge their vote and shake a few hands in Switzerland.
The FAI played a blinder here. 4 or 5 games in Dublin at zero cost and zero effort. Can the GAA step up and get a stadium rammed home for the IFA?
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on March 22, 2022, 12:17:59 PMThat is the normal arrangement.Quote from: Rossfan on March 22, 2022, 12:04:15 PM
Antrim might need to be using the Stadium while that Euro soccerball thingy is on.
Croke Park will be hitting into peak usage then too.
Are we sure Croker will be involved? You can't have 2 stadia in the one city unless one is the final venue.
Quote from: Solo_run on February 23, 2022, 03:27:23 PMThank you for your answer. But with respect, a self-appointed supporters club (in this case Glasgow Rangers) is not the same as an official member club, which will be subject to the rules and disciplinary measures of the governing body, whether IFA, SFA or GAA etc.
I could probably answer this as there are three situations that come to mind.
I have been in Larne (have family there) and I have been into a Rangers supporters club with flags, pictures etc. They knew we were catholic and it certainly helped they knew my uncle but if that had not been the case we wouldn't have been welcomed in they made that quite clear at one point.
On another occasion, I have never been in the place but I use to live across the road from a Rangers supporters club. A protestant girl was having a 21st birthday and her friend was catholic and I think she was the same age went to the party. The men in the club beat the shit out of the girl when they found out she was catholic - I think they found out by her surname or knew of her.
You can't tarnish everyone with the same brush. However, based on my experiences I would have to say I could probably go into a pub that is staunchly unionist but I definitely wouldn't feel welcome or would want to stay even with a friend present.
I have been to catholic places with protestant mates and from experience no trouble whatsoever. My best friend is a protestant and we have gone to a few GAA games again no problems there.
Quote from: Snapchap on February 23, 2022, 03:08:22 PMOk, since you clearly will not answer a simple question, I am forced to deduce that you are foresquare behind the erection of this memorial and the ceremony which went with it etc, and you don't care if it alienates Unionists from participating in the GAA, including its outreach programme.
A quick glance through your old posts suggests you have no qualms about discussing things that actually are unrelated to the thread. You've discussed the A5 road project in a thread specifically about Casement Park. You've discussed your thoughts on Hunger Strike in a thread specifically about attitudes of people in the south to the north. In a thread about GAA finances, you discussed soccer broadcasting. In a thread about potentially merging the LGFA and Camogie associations into the GAA, you discussed such a wide range of topics as offensive chanting and even the history of the Swastika.
So yeah, you're very particular about keeping threads on topic aren't you?
In fact, in a thread about East Belfast GAA, you were more than keen to discuss ni soccer and Winsdor park and GSTQ.
But in a discussion about political commemorations in GAA grounds, you simply point blank refuse to discuss such commemorations in soccer grounds, because it it's not the subject of the thread?
Away and cop yourself on and stop being a coward.
EDIT:
Besides, if, as you keep insisting, you cant bring yourself to discuss soccer/windsor park here because, in your words, "This thread is about the GAA reaching out to Unionists" and that "if I want to discuss the IFA" then I should "start another thread", then why do you simultaneously ask about how UVF memorials in soccer grounds would go down among nationalists? Are we allowed to discuss commemorations by by IFA/soccer clubs or not? Make your mind up!
Quote from: tiempo on February 23, 2022, 03:00:32 PMI'm sorry, it may be me, but I really don't understand what you're trying to say here.
I would not partake (personal choice)
Only those who actively actively partook in you know what, their supporters and their apologists, a sizable majority in the context of the oppression otherwise it wouldn't have been possible
Quote from: tiempo on February 23, 2022, 03:00:32 PMFair enough, except that when it comes to the crunch, building such memorials is incompatible with building bridges. That is, you may have the former, but you won't have the latter. Meaning there's a choice to be made.
The GAA would be well advised to try and build bridges while also being careful not to alienate their longstanding base, there is always room for outreach, it works both ways
Quote from: tiempo on February 23, 2022, 03:00:32 PMWhy on earth should an election have anything to do it? Isn't it for the GAA to address on its own merits?
lets see how Unionists get on in May and then tell me their readiness for outreach
Quote from: naka on February 23, 2022, 02:43:45 PMOK, for the sake of argument, let us assume that this memorial does not contravene the Trustees' rules or those of the GAA.
evil genius
not defending your right to challenge,
but i would say
1 the clonoe memorial is a memorial made by a gaa club not by the gaa as a generic organisation which is deliberately trying to stay clear of this minefield in both the South with the civil war commemorations and the North.
my own feelings are that anyone is entitled to recognise their fallen on both sides , it isnt one sided, but its a political point.
i would be surprised if consent was sought and obtained from the trustees given rule 1.11 but maybe i am wrong.
Quote from: Snapchap on February 23, 2022, 02:42:27 PMThe thread title is: "GAA must 'reach out' to unionism"
If you are going to continue to insist that discussion of political commemorations by soccer clubs/bodies in the north is somehow unrelated to discussion of how such commemorations are handled by GAA, then it's really just a waste of time trying to engage with you. And you're just wasting your own time trying if you think anyone will take you seriously.
Quote from: Snapchap on February 23, 2022, 02:30:00 PMSo start a separate thread on the topic and see whether I dodge that one then.Quote from: Evil Genius on February 23, 2022, 02:20:00 PMQuote from: Snapchap on February 23, 2022, 01:53:19 PMThis thread is about the GAA reaching out to Unionists.Quote from: Evil Genius on February 23, 2022, 01:48:02 PMIf someone went to Windsor Park and heard GSTQ being played and British War dead being commemorated, and poppy fundraisers for ex-British soldiers, would that make a young nationalist more or less likely to attend/join in?
If someone on this Board was interested in joining his local soccer club, went along and saw that there was a memorial eg to three dead UVF men on the premises, would that make him/her more or less likely to go ahead?
Or would he/she just shrug it off?
Either way, I wouldn't want anything to do with such a club, whether soccer/UVF or GAA/IRA.
Are you suggesting all commemorations with political connections should be barred from sports grounds, or only the ones you personally disagree with?
If you wish to discuss eg the IFA reaching out to Nationailists, why not start a separate thread on that in the appropriate section?
After all, we wouldn't like to think you were hoping to deflect the discussion on this thread, would we?
Which brings us back to my original question. Any answer?
What a laughably pathetic reply. Surely even you could read that back and realise who cowardly it comes across.
If you want to discuss the rights and wrongs of political memorials in GAA grounds, then it's perfectly within the same sphere of discussion to discuss how political memorials are handled by other sports organisations in the same geographical region, by people who lived through the same shared experience of the same conflict.
SO enough dodging.
Quote from: Snapchap on February 23, 2022, 02:30:00 PMYou're quite the fan of this Whataboutery game, aren't you?
If someone went to Windsor Park and heard GSTQ being played and British War dead being commemorated, and poppy fundraisers for ex-British soldiers, would that make a young nationalist more or less likely to attend/join in?
Are you suggesting all commemorations with political connections should be barred from sports grounds, or only the ones you personally disagree with?
Quote from: tiempo on February 23, 2022, 02:26:33 PMSorry, but it doesn't really help, since you don't disclose what your choice would be (i.e. carry on in, or turn on your heels and leave).Quote from: Evil Genius on February 23, 2022, 01:48:02 PM
If someone on this Board was interested in joining his/her local soccer club, went along and saw that there was a memorial eg to three dead UVF men on the premises, would that make him/her more or less likely to go ahead?
Or would he/she just shrug it off?
Either way, I wouldn't want anything to do with such a club, whether soccer/UVF or GAA/IRA.
Personal choice
Personal choice
Hope this helps
Quote from: tiempo on February 23, 2022, 02:26:33 PMMay I deduce from that that you consider all of your Unionist neighbours/friends/workmates etc to be your "oppressors"?
Just wondering, would you advocate violence against cultural expression or have unionists given that up? Reaching out to the oppressor, what a deranged concept, leave that for lickspittles and the like
Quote from: general_lee on February 23, 2022, 02:21:29 PMThat's still not answering my question, though, is it?Quote from: Evil Genius on February 23, 2022, 01:48:02 PMIf the soccer team had poppies embroidered onto their playing shirts commemorating the likes of not just the paras, UDR et al but also the UVF, UDA, RHC would that not be more applicable?
If someone on this Board was interested in joining his/her local soccer club, went along and saw that there was a memorial eg to three dead UVF men on the premises, would that make him/her more or less likely to go ahead?
Or would he/she just shrug it off?
Either way, I wouldn't want anything to do with such a club, whether soccer/UVF or GAA/IRA.
You see, the poppy is every bit as offensive to some people as these IRA memorials are to others; and I'm sure you well know, many Unionists like to remember their UVF, UFF, RHC fallen heroes by wearing one...
Quote from: Snapchap on February 23, 2022, 01:53:19 PMThis thread is about the GAA reaching out to Unionists.Quote from: Evil Genius on February 23, 2022, 01:48:02 PMIf someone went to Windsor Park and heard GSTQ being played and British War dead being commemorated, and poppy fundraisers for ex-British soldiers, would that make a young nationalist more or less likely to attend/join in?
If someone on this Board was interested in joining his local soccer club, went along and saw that there was a memorial eg to three dead UVF men on the premises, would that make him/her more or less likely to go ahead?
Or would he/she just shrug it off?
Either way, I wouldn't want anything to do with such a club, whether soccer/UVF or GAA/IRA.
Are you suggesting all commemorations with political connections should be barred from sports grounds, or only the ones you personally disagree with?
Quote from: Snapchap on February 23, 2022, 01:54:54 PMYou don't know my "argument" (stance), since I didn't make one. Rather I asked a question to try to discern more about your stance.
"Whataboutery" is just a lazy word that people use to try to squirm out having to explain glaring hypocrisies in their argument.
Quote from: armaghniac on February 23, 2022, 01:49:19 PMWhataboutery.Quote from: Evil Genius on February 23, 2022, 01:48:02 PM
If someone on this Board was interested in joining his local soccer club, went along and saw that there was a memorial eg to three dead UVF men on the premises, would that make him/her more or less likely to go ahead?
Or would he/she just shrug it off?
Either way, I wouldn't want anything to do with such a club, whether soccer/UVF or GAA/IRA.
and yet everyone has seen soccer clubs trying to get players to wear poppies and the like.