FAI...June 2024 Friendlies v Hungary and Portugal

[rodney trotter]

McClean played under Kenny when he was Derry City manager and rates him. Plenty of ex Loi players around the squad so hardly an issue. Some players played under him at Dundalk like Horgan and Richie Towell.

[seafoid]

Surely the problem is the system rather than the manager. Cuir geansai na h Eireann ar an gabhar ach is gabhar I gconai e.

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/international/john-delaney-s-dilemma-is-it-the-manager-or-is-it-the-players-1.3667064

The new plan for developing players, one everybody is agreed is key to the future of the senior team, is based around underage national leagues run at under-15, -17 and -19 levels, with an under-13 competition to start in March.
The FAI puts the existing cost of the first three at €1.4 million, of which Uefa stumps up €825,000. In March of this year the FAI made much of the fact it was coming up with €250,000. Its contribution previously has not been made public but seems, from other figures provided, to have been just €75,000.
The association's high performance director Ruud Dokter accepted last week that, in an ideal world, the leagues would be run at under-14, -16 and -18 levels too. The current plan will involve some players alternating from season to season between League of Ireland and schoolboy clubs, which is probably not in too many international best practice manuals, but apparently the money isn't there. Ticking a lot of other boxes, you are maybe talking €2.5 million, 10 times what it is giving, but half what it has been paying in stadium debt repayments and interest.
Delaney says the Aviva Stadium will be paid for in 2020, after which the good times will roll, but the only way that the association appears to be able to meet the target is to front-load sponsorship payments stretching well into the 2020s, so the sorts of increases in investments being made all over Europe are still many years away.
In the meantime, our national team is still based on the old system: around a third of the 27 players this week had left for England by the age of 17 or so, and only a handful had played serious game-time at senior level here before departing.
There is, then, just our declining place in the sprawling English system to produce new talent until things get properly up and running, so perhaps we should not hold our breaths. If patience does run out, however, we can always sack the manager.

[seafoid]

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[Itchy]

interesting stats from todays indo

Brian Kerr, 33 games (18 wins, 11 draws, 4 losses) - 55%

Jack Charlton, 94 games (47 wins, 29 draws, 16 losses) - 50%

Mick McCarthy, 68 games (28 wins, 19 draws, 21 losses) - 43%

Giovanni Trapattoni, 64 games (26 wins, 22 draws, 16 losses) - 41%

Martin O'Neill, 53 games (19 wins, 18 draws and 16 losses) - 36%

Steve Staunton, 17 games (6 wins, 6 draws, 5 losses) - 35%

[Jell 0 Biafra]

I'm gonna start following Gibraltar, never preciously won a game now on the verge of 2 wins in a week.

Glory hunter.

[JPGJOHNNYG]

interesting stats from todays indo

Brian Kerr, 33 games (18 wins, 11 draws, 4 losses) - 55%

Jack Charlton, 94 games (47 wins, 29 draws, 16 losses) - 50%

Mick McCarthy, 68 games (28 wins, 19 draws, 21 losses) - 43%

Giovanni Trapattoni, 64 games (26 wins, 22 draws, 16 losses) - 41%

Martin O'Neill, 53 games (19 wins, 18 draws and 16 losses) - 36%

Steve Staunton, 17 games (6 wins, 6 draws, 5 losses) - 35%

All I can say is Brian Kerr must have had a good record in friendlies because they didnt beat anyone of note competitively during his era. Thought Charlton had a better record than that but there you go.

[shark]

interesting stats from todays indo

Brian Kerr, 33 games (18 wins, 11 draws, 4 losses) - 55%

Jack Charlton, 94 games (47 wins, 29 draws, 16 losses) - 50%

Mick McCarthy, 68 games (28 wins, 19 draws, 21 losses) - 43%

Giovanni Trapattoni, 64 games (26 wins, 22 draws, 16 losses) - 41%

Martin O'Neill, 53 games (19 wins, 18 draws and 16 losses) - 36%

Steve Staunton, 17 games (6 wins, 6 draws, 5 losses) - 35%

All I can say is Brian Kerr must have had a good record in friendlies because they didnt beat anyone of note competitively during his era. Thought Charlton had a better record than that but there you go.

Had some excellent results in friendlies, beating The Netherlands and Portugal. The back to back draws v Israel killed the 2006 campaign. Only lost one game - home to France.

[From the Bunker]

interesting stats from todays indo

Brian Kerr, 33 games (18 wins, 11 draws, 4 losses) - 55%

Jack Charlton, 94 games (47 wins, 29 draws, 16 losses) - 50%

Mick McCarthy, 68 games (28 wins, 19 draws, 21 losses) - 43%

Giovanni Trapattoni, 64 games (26 wins, 22 draws, 16 losses) - 41%

Martin O'Neill, 53 games (19 wins, 18 draws and 16 losses) - 36%

Steve Staunton, 17 games (6 wins, 6 draws, 5 losses) - 35%

All I can say is Brian Kerr must have had a good record in friendlies because they didnt beat anyone of note competitively during his era. Thought Charlton had a better record than that but there you go.

Charlton had a record of 1-5-2  = 12.5% in World Cup finals. Many forget the Putrid football played under Charlton - and with some of the Greatest players to grace an Irish Jersey.

[BennyCake]

interesting stats from todays indo

Brian Kerr, 33 games (18 wins, 11 draws, 4 losses) - 55%

Jack Charlton, 94 games (47 wins, 29 draws, 16 losses) - 50%

Mick McCarthy, 68 games (28 wins, 19 draws, 21 losses) - 43%

Giovanni Trapattoni, 64 games (26 wins, 22 draws, 16 losses) - 41%

Martin O'Neill, 53 games (19 wins, 18 draws and 16 losses) - 36%

Steve Staunton, 17 games (6 wins, 6 draws, 5 losses) - 35%

All I can say is Brian Kerr must have had a good record in friendlies because they didnt beat anyone of note competitively during his era. Thought Charlton had a better record than that but there you go.

Had some excellent results in friendlies, beating The Netherlands and Portugal. The back to back draws v Israel killed the 2006 campaign. Only lost one game - home to France.

Ah yes, the Gary Doherty years.

[red hander]

interesting stats from todays indo

Brian Kerr, 33 games (18 wins, 11 draws, 4 losses) - 55%

Jack Charlton, 94 games (47 wins, 29 draws, 16 losses) - 50%

Mick McCarthy, 68 games (28 wins, 19 draws, 21 losses) - 43%

Giovanni Trapattoni, 64 games (26 wins, 22 draws, 16 losses) - 41%

Martin O'Neill, 53 games (19 wins, 18 draws and 16 losses) - 36%

Steve Staunton, 17 games (6 wins, 6 draws, 5 losses) - 35%

All I can say is Brian Kerr must have had a good record in friendlies because they didnt beat anyone of note competitively during his era. Thought Charlton had a better record than that but there you go.

Charlton had a record of 1-5-2  = 12.5% in World Cup finals. Many forget the Putrid football played under Charlton - and with some of the Greatest players to grace an Irish Jersey.

Indeed. Always thought that. How much better it could have been had those players had a manager who allowed them to 'play'

[dec]

interesting stats from todays indo

Brian Kerr, 33 games (18 wins, 11 draws, 4 losses) - 55%

Jack Charlton, 94 games (47 wins, 29 draws, 16 losses) - 50%

Mick McCarthy, 68 games (28 wins, 19 draws, 21 losses) - 43%

Giovanni Trapattoni, 64 games (26 wins, 22 draws, 16 losses) - 41%

Martin O'Neill, 53 games (19 wins, 18 draws and 16 losses) - 36%

Steve Staunton, 17 games (6 wins, 6 draws, 5 losses) - 35%

All I can say is Brian Kerr must have had a good record in friendlies because they didnt beat anyone of note competitively during his era. Thought Charlton had a better record than that but there you go.

Charlton had a record of 1-5-2  = 12.5% in World Cup finals. Many forget the Putrid football played under Charlton - and with some of the Greatest players to grace an Irish Jersey.

Indeed. Always thought that. How much better it could have been had those players had a manager who allowed them to 'play'

He was the manager for 5 qualifying cycles for Euros and World Cups.

The team qualified for 3 of those 5.

All the other managers put together managed to qualify for 3 tournaments.

[From the Bunker]

interesting stats from todays indo

Brian Kerr, 33 games (18 wins, 11 draws, 4 losses) - 55%

Jack Charlton, 94 games (47 wins, 29 draws, 16 losses) - 50%

Mick McCarthy, 68 games (28 wins, 19 draws, 21 losses) - 43%

Giovanni Trapattoni, 64 games (26 wins, 22 draws, 16 losses) - 41%

Martin O'Neill, 53 games (19 wins, 18 draws and 16 losses) - 36%

Steve Staunton, 17 games (6 wins, 6 draws, 5 losses) - 35%

All I can say is Brian Kerr must have had a good record in friendlies because they didnt beat anyone of note competitively during his era. Thought Charlton had a better record than that but there you go.

Charlton had a record of 1-5-2  = 12.5% in World Cup finals. Many forget the Putrid football played under Charlton - and with some of the Greatest players to grace an Irish Jersey.

Indeed. Always thought that. How much better it could have been had those players had a manager who allowed them to 'play'

He was the manager for 5 qualifying cycles for Euros and World Cups.

The team qualified for 3 of those 5.

All the other managers put together managed to qualify for 3 tournaments.

All the Managers put together did not have the array of talents Jack had at his disposal!

[BarryBreensBandage]

Off the top of my head:
Bonner (Celtic)
Hughton/Morris (Spurs/Celtic)
O'Leary/McGrath (Arsenal/Man United)
McCarthy/Moran (Celtic/Man United)
Staunton (Liverpool)
Houghton (Liverpool)
Townsend (Chelsea/Villa)
Whelan/Sheedy (Liverpool/Everton)
Quinn/Cascarino (Arsenal/Villa)
Aldridge (Liverpool)

There is some drop off in Irish representation in the top teams in Britain, even with Celtic.
Charlton had it good.

[rodney trotter]

Big drop off, but far more foreign players playing in UK nowadays. Chelsea have won 5 consecutive youth cup and keep sending their young players out on loan.

The Ireland u19s are hope for the future. They have players with the top clubs too , United Spurs, Liverpool  whether they can get their chance or not.

[seafoid]

Off the top of my head:
Bonner (Celtic)
Hughton/Morris (Spurs/Celtic)
O'Leary/McGrath (Arsenal/Man United)
McCarthy/Moran (Celtic/Man United)
Staunton (Liverpool)
Houghton (Liverpool)
Townsend (Chelsea/Villa)
Whelan/Sheedy (Liverpool/Everton)
Quinn/Cascarino (Arsenal/Villa)
Aldridge (Liverpool)

There is some drop off in Irish representation in the top teams in Britain, even with Celtic.
Charlton had it good.

Everything changed after 1995

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosman_ruling