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« Reply #8505 on: October 13, 2019, 03:13:55 PM »
On another note the refs have had a massive bearing on the winners upto this stage. Although the Japanese have been magnificent and a breath of fresh air they have had the benefit of favourable ref decisions against Ireland, Samoa and again today particularly around rucks.
         Lets hope we come out on the right side of the decisions next saturday if we are to beat the AB's. 
     

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« Reply #8506 on: October 13, 2019, 03:38:19 PM »
Going by some reports Ireland and New Zealand didn't want the Scotland game to go ahead.

So they wanted to play each other?  I can see why NZ would want to play Ireland, but not the other way round.

South Africa are a big team and Ireland’s brute (and energy sapping) game might not be as effective there. It could disrupt the all blacks. Bit of rain that makes handling hard and you never know. Thought the Scotland Japan second half was enthralling. The Scots left it too late to figure out how to beat them but put up some effort in the end when a hammering at one stage  was looking likely.

The Kiwis play most of their important rugby in shite wet conditions like we do in the Northen hemisphere unlike say the Aussies so it won't be any advantage to us unfortunately.

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« Reply #8507 on: October 13, 2019, 05:27:08 PM »
Can the rugby team beat the voices in their head and dump New Zealand out of the competition ?

Whatever about voices in their head, they can't beat the ABs.

And Armagh, Tyrone, Derry and Donegal could never win an All Ireland and they did. Through pure drive and determination(with some fantastic players of course). They can win and knock the All Blacks out. They have the talent and i think we will win.
     

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« Reply #8508 on: October 13, 2019, 07:52:38 PM »
Can the rugby team beat the voices in their head and dump New Zealand out of the competition ?

Whatever about voices in their head, they can't beat the ABs.

And Armagh, Tyrone, Derry and Donegal could never win an All Ireland and they did. Through pure drive and determination(with some fantastic players of course). They can win and knock the All Blacks out. They have the talent and i think we will win.
     

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« Reply #8509 on: October 13, 2019, 09:42:56 PM »
Can the rugby team beat the voices in their head and dump New Zealand out of the competition ?

Whatever about voices in their head, they can't beat the ABs.

And Armagh, Tyrone, Derry and Donegal could never win an All Ireland and they did. Through pure drive and determination(with some fantastic players of course). They can win and knock the All Blacks out. They have the talent and i think we will win.
     

Get off the beer, work in the morning.

Cool. Well done

Heard we’ve got a solicitor going out for the Bundee Aki hearing. Have we missed a trick in not sending Fergal Logan?

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« Reply #8510 on: October 14, 2019, 12:39:24 PM »
Can the rugby team beat the voices in their head and dump New Zealand out of the competition ?

Whatever about voices in their head, they can't beat the ABs.

And Armagh, Tyrone, Derry and Donegal could never win an All Ireland and they did. Through pure drive and determination(with some fantastic players of course). They can win and knock the All Blacks out. They have the talent and i think we will win.
     

Get off the beer, work in the morning.

Cool. Well done

Heard we’ve got a solicitor going out for the Bundee Aki hearing. Have we missed a trick in not sending Fergal Logan?

Safer off without him.

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« Reply #8511 on: October 14, 2019, 03:55:41 PM »
Three game ban for Aki.

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« Reply #8512 on: October 14, 2019, 04:06:10 PM »
Expected and shouldn't unduly affect the team.

Huge ask against the All Blacks but I just have a feeling that we've been holding back. That move for the first try against Samoa isn't something that just appeared without having been worked on, we've barely kicked the ball all year when it was a central tenet of our gameplan in 2018 also there's no way that one out runner shite is gonna fly against New Zealand Schmidt knows that.

There's every possibility we get beat of course but I think we'll see something more like the Ireland we've been expecting this weekend. Hopefully it will be enough.

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« Reply #8513 on: October 14, 2019, 09:58:39 PM »
I thought the sending off was harsh as well. The 3 game ban is too harsh also. They should appeal it if they can.

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« Reply #8514 on: October 15, 2019, 08:31:45 AM »
I thought the sending off was harsh as well. The 3 game ban is too harsh also. They should appeal it if they can.

It is arguably harsh, but the law is crystal clear.

Red card. 6 week suspension. Reduced to 3 for previous good record.

While there can be mitigating factors, even those leave very little room for subjectivity as they are clearly laid out.

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The independent Judicial Committee was chaired by Adam Casselden SC (Australia) joined by former international coach Frank Hadden (Scotland) and former referee Valeriu Toma (Romania).

The player sought to overturn the red card. Having considered all the angles of the incident, together with evidence from the player and his representatives, the committee upheld the decision of the referee.

The committee considered the High Tackle Sanction Framework and decided the following:

- There was direct contact of the player’s left shoulder to the ball carrier’s head
- The Judicial Committee did not accept that there was a low degree of danger
- Although the tackle occurred quickly, the player’s tackle height was high and it was accepted he did not make a definite attempt to change his height in order to avoid the ball carrier’s head
- The committee did not accept that there was sufficient evidence of a sudden drop in the ball carrier‘s height
- The tackle was an attempted dominant tackle, rather than a reactionary tackle, and in any event there was no immediate release as the player wrapped his arms around the Samoa No.10
- The player was in open space and had a clear line of sight before the contact
- There are accordingly no clear and obvious mitigating factors

Therefore, on the balance of probabilities, the committee did not find that the referee’s decision was wrong and the red card was upheld.

Given the above outcomes, the committee applied World Rugby’s mandatory minimum mid-range entry point, which was introduced in 2017 to protect player welfare, deter high contact and prevent head injuries. This resulted in a starting point of a six-week suspension.

Taking into account the mitigating factors that are considered in relation to sanction, including the player’s good disciplinary record, the committee reduced the six-week entry point by the maximum permitted three weeks, resulting in a sanction of three weeks, which equates to three matches in the context of Rugby World Cup 2019.

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« Reply #8515 on: Today at 02:57:28 PM »
Heading out there today hope they can give a performance that at least rattles the kiwis , was in Chicago in 16 would be nice to see that again.

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« Reply #8516 on: Today at 03:17:54 PM »
Heading out there today hope they can give a performance that at least rattles the kiwis , was in Chicago in 16 would be nice to see that again.


Was in Chicago that day myself and it was absolutely fantastic.

This is a very different assignment though. Perhaps as some allude to, Joe Schmidt has masterminded this all along and Ireland will produce a performance miles above any for 12 months. That's what it will take to be competitive in this game. I just don't see why we'd play below par all season and in this competition and then suddenly be ready for this one game. I'd be very doubtful about this one to be honest. Hope I'm wrong.

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« Reply #8517 on: Today at 04:30:20 PM »
Heading out there today hope they can give a performance that at least rattles the kiwis , was in Chicago in 16 would be nice to see that again.

Atmosphere should be brilliant. Good luck and enjoy. 
Its a shame about Aki, seems harsh.