Man Utd Thread:

[ballinaman]

The scousers have more experience of buying & selling flops, so I think we should bow to their superior knowledge on this one..............

Do we really want to reopen this debate again?

I will post my 30-strong list again if I have to.

Well by my count, a list of 66 could easily be put up that weren't exactly brilliant for Liverpool.....

I think we were talking about 'flops' not players who 'weren't exactly brilliant'.

So this magical 66 number then.... care to name names?

Josemi
Antonio Nunez
Bolo Zenden
Scott Carson
Godwin Antwi
Besian Idrizaj
Mauricio Pellegrino
Jack Hobbs
Miki Roque
Mohamed Sissoko
Antonio Barragan
Paul Anderson
Mark Gonzalez
Gabriel Paletta
Jan Kromkamp
Ryan Crowther
Martin Hansen
Nabil El Zhar
David Martin
Astrit Ajdarevic
Daniel Pacheco
Alex Cooper
Andriy Voronin
Jordy Brouwer
Sebastian Leto
Francisco Duran
Ronald Huth
Gary Stevens
Mikel San Jose Dominguez
Daniel Sanchez Ayala
Jermaine Pennant
Gerardo Bruna
David Amoo
Lucas
Andras Simon
Krisztian Nemeth
Charles Itandje
Lauri Dalla Valle
Emmanuel Mendy
Andrea Dossena
Vincent Weijl
Vitor Coutinho Flora
Peter Gulacsi
Robbie Keane
Zsolt Poloskei
Diego Cavalieri
Christopher Buchtmann
Nikola Saric
Victor Palsson
Chris Mavinga
Sotirios Kyrgiakos

[TheGreatRambo]

So no point then, fair enough.

So when Rafa waved those glasses about he wasn't making a personal attack on the referee in question?? He also said the 4th official was too young!!!! (ageist???). This isn't a United vs Liverpol thing either by the way. Rafa's one was just the first that came to mind. I'm sure i'll think of more.......

[bingobus]

The scousers have more experience of buying & selling flops, so I think we should bow to their superior knowledge on this one..............

Do we really want to reopen this debate again?

I will post my 30-strong list again if I have to.

Well by my count, a list of 66 could easily be put up that weren't exactly brilliant for Liverpool.....

I think we were talking about 'flops' not players who 'weren't exactly brilliant'.

So this magical 66 number then.... care to name names?

JosemiAntonio Nunez
Bolo Zenden
Scott Carson
Godwin Antwi
Besian Idrizaj
Mauricio Pellegrino
Jack HobbsMiki Roque
Mohamed Sissoko
Antonio Barragan
Paul Anderson
Mark Gonzalez
Gabriel Paletta
Jan KromkampRyan Crowther
Martin Hansen
Nabil El Zhar
David Martin
Astrit Ajdarevic
Daniel Pacheco
Alex Cooper
Andriy Voronin
Jordy Brouwer
Sebastian LetoFrancisco Duran
Ronald Huth
Gary Stevens
Mikel San Jose Dominguez
Daniel Sanchez AyalaJermaine Pennant
Gerardo Bruna
David Amoo
Lucas
Andras Simon
Krisztian Nemeth
Charles Itandje
Lauri Dalla Valle
Emmanuel MendyAndrea Dossena
Vincent Weijl
Vitor Coutinho Flora
Peter GulacsiRobbie Keane
Zsolt Poloskei
Diego Cavalieri
Christopher Buchtmann
Nikola Saric
Victor Palsson
Chris Mavinga Sotirios Kyrgiakos



Sorry...51 there instead of 66, gave the benefit of the doubt to a few more. Cheap or not, he still those players were good enough. Not exactly bursting into the 1st team......

You have your shite pal. The ones in bold bought to do job and sold at profit. The players underlined are still at club and have potential. Have you actually seen any of these play? At least have the cop on wait till the player has had a chance. Other players are on the list that are still at club but due to lack of new contracts on offer and having seen them play I don't they'll ever play for first team at this stage.

[EC Unique]

I'm sure £20,000 is really going to hurt 'The Senile Scottish Alcoholic'.




Senile - Check
Scottish - Check
Alcoholic - Check.

Imagne what he could have won if he were not a '' Senile Scottish Alcoholic''.

[TheGreatRambo]

The scousers have more experience of buying & selling flops, so I think we should bow to their superior knowledge on this one..............

Do we really want to reopen this debate again?

I will post my 30-strong list again if I have to.

Well by my count, a list of 66 could easily be put up that weren't exactly brilliant for Liverpool.....

I think we were talking about 'flops' not players who 'weren't exactly brilliant'.

So this magical 66 number then.... care to name names?

JosemiAntonio Nunez
Bolo Zenden
Scott Carson
Godwin Antwi
Besian Idrizaj
Mauricio Pellegrino
Jack HobbsMiki Roque
Mohamed Sissoko
Antonio Barragan
Paul Anderson
Mark Gonzalez
Gabriel Paletta
Jan KromkampRyan Crowther
Martin Hansen
Nabil El Zhar
David Martin
Astrit Ajdarevic
Daniel Pacheco
Alex Cooper
Andriy Voronin
Jordy Brouwer
Sebastian LetoFrancisco Duran
Ronald Huth
Gary Stevens
Mikel San Jose Dominguez
Daniel Sanchez AyalaJermaine Pennant
Gerardo Bruna
David Amoo
Lucas
Andras Simon
Krisztian Nemeth
Charles Itandje
Lauri Dalla Valle
Emmanuel MendyAndrea Dossena
Vincent Weijl
Vitor Coutinho Flora
Peter GulacsiRobbie Keane
Zsolt Poloskei
Diego Cavalieri
Christopher Buchtmann
Nikola Saric
Victor Palsson
Chris Mavinga Sotirios Kyrgiakos



Sorry...51 there instead of 66, gave the benefit of the doubt to a few more. Cheap or not, he still those players were good enough. Not exactly bursting into the 1st team......

You have your shite pal. The ones in bold bought to do job and sold at profit. The players underlined are still at club and have potential. Have you actually seen any of these play? At least have the cop on wait till the player has had a chance. Other players are on the list that are still at club but due to lack of new contracts on offer and having seen them play I don't they'll ever play for first team at this stage.

In fairness bingo his list is just about as relevant as Rafas was

[Rudigar]

Ballinaman, do you even realise you have listed players bought for the Academy.

The GreatRambo, you're blind ref is such a common theme, Ferguson has done it, as has Rafa, it's not acceptable , but it is not seen as a personal attack.

...
"The pace of the game demanded a referee who was fit. He was not fit.

"You see referees abroad who are as fit as butcher's dogs. He was taking 30 seconds to book a player. He was needing a rest. It was ridiculous."

"He was also walking up the pitch for the second goal needing a rest."

I think this is a bit more personal.

[Rafa]

The scousers have more experience of buying & selling flops, so I think we should bow to their superior knowledge on this one..............

Do we really want to reopen this debate again?

I will post my 30-strong list again if I have to.

Well by my count, a list of 66 could easily be put up that weren't exactly brilliant for Liverpool.....

I think we were talking about 'flops' not players who 'weren't exactly brilliant'.

So this magical 66 number then.... care to name names?

JosemiAntonio Nunez
Bolo Zenden
Scott Carson
Godwin Antwi
Besian Idrizaj
Mauricio Pellegrino
Jack HobbsMiki Roque
Mohamed Sissoko
Antonio Barragan
Paul Anderson
Mark Gonzalez
Gabriel Paletta
Jan KromkampRyan Crowther
Martin Hansen
Nabil El Zhar
David Martin
Astrit Ajdarevic
Daniel Pacheco
Alex Cooper
Andriy Voronin
Jordy Brouwer
Sebastian LetoFrancisco Duran
Ronald Huth
Gary Stevens
Mikel San Jose Dominguez
Daniel Sanchez AyalaJermaine Pennant
Gerardo Bruna
David Amoo
Lucas
Andras Simon
Krisztian Nemeth
Charles Itandje
Lauri Dalla Valle
Emmanuel MendyAndrea Dossena
Vincent Weijl
Vitor Coutinho Flora
Peter GulacsiRobbie Keane
Zsolt Poloskei
Diego Cavalieri
Christopher Buchtmann
Nikola Saric
Victor Palsson
Chris Mavinga Sotirios Kyrgiakos



Sorry...51 there instead of 66, gave the benefit of the doubt to a few more. Cheap or not, he still those players were good enough. Not exactly bursting into the 1st team......

You have your shite pal. The ones in bold bought to do job and sold at profit. The players underlined are still at club and have potential. Have you actually seen any of these play? At least have the cop on wait till the player has had a chance. Other players are on the list that are still at club but due to lack of new contracts on offer and having seen them play I don't they'll ever play for first team at this stage.

In fairness bingo his list is just about as relevant as Rafas was

And I think we all agreed at the time that that was the point?

Tiresome.

[Rafa]

So 30 of your 51 names were either sold at a profit or are still at the club?

Then there is Lucas, the same Lucas who has destroyed Uniteds midfield twice in the last 5 months.

Thats 20 legitimate names!

Not to mention the only name of any significant value being Keane.

Far cry from 66!!!!   

[Maximus Marillius]

get that 'poor mans Michael Jackson' on that list

[Rudigar]

get that 'poor mans Michael Jackson' on that list

Not being smart, but who is this?

Harsh on Sissoko by the way, had a couple of very good seasons before his turd/third year.

[TheGreatRambo]

Ballinaman, do you even realise you have listed players bought for the Academy.

The GreatRambo, you're blind ref is such a common theme, Ferguson has done it, as has Rafa, it's not acceptable , but it is not seen as a personal attack.

...
"The pace of the game demanded a referee who was fit. He was not fit.

"You see referees abroad who are as fit as butcher's dogs. He was taking 30 seconds to book a player. He was needing a rest. It was ridiculous."

"He was also walking up the pitch for the second goal needing a rest."

I think this is a bit more personal.

When he was asked to assess Dowd's performance, the Spaniard slowly took his glasses out of his case in the post-match press conference and waved them in the air. "I think everybody could see, especially the penalty on Voronin," he said.

"It was so clear. The third one you can discuss whether the ball was to the hand or the hand to the ball. The other one was so clear it was unbelievable. But with this referee, it is impossible to get two penalties away from home.


*******

Don't get me wrong, Fergusons an old goat and regularly oversteps the mark and is probably well worth his ban but he AND others have said much worse and got away with it so why did the media create such a furore this time? Must have been a slow week

[ballinaman]

Ya, i know a good few of those players are/were bought for the academy. Just thought it was interesting to see the names because the 76 number is branded around a fair bit. Sissoko was harsh, played well against Juve the time in 05 if i memory serves me right! Some amount of wheeling and deeling it's got to be said, pools squad is better for it though....

[Rudigar]

Ballinaman, do you even realise you have listed players bought for the Academy.

The GreatRambo, you're blind ref is such a common theme, Ferguson has done it, as has Rafa, it's not acceptable , but it is not seen as a personal attack.

...
"The pace of the game demanded a referee who was fit. He was not fit.

"You see referees abroad who are as fit as butcher's dogs. He was taking 30 seconds to book a player. He was needing a rest. It was ridiculous."

"He was also walking up the pitch for the second goal needing a rest."

I think this is a bit more personal.

When he was asked to assess Dowd's performance, the Spaniard slowly took his glasses out of his case in the post-match press conference and waved them in the air. "I think everybody could see, especially the penalty on Voronin," he said.

"It was so clear. The third one you can discuss whether the ball was to the hand or the hand to the ball. The other one was so clear it was unbelievable. But with this referee, it is impossible to get two penalties away from home.


*******

Don't get me wrong, Fergusons an old goat and regularly oversteps the mark and is probably well worth his ban but he AND others have said much worse and got away with it so why did the media create such a furore this time? Must have been a slow week

Rafa was cited but cleared. Yes both fall under personal abuse, but there is a massive difference between the two.

[TheGreatRambo]

I'm sure £20,000 is really going to hurt 'The Senile Scottish Alcoholic'.




Senile - Check
Scottish - Check
Alcoholic - Check.

You make a point of calling Rafa 'The Fat Spanish Waiter' everytime you can. This phrase is what makes my skin crawl when it comes to the English media as it shows their absolute contempt for anyone foreign in the game or anyone foreign in general in fact.

The fact that a so-called fellow 'Irishman' has succumbed to this pathetic, unintelligent, lowest form of racist wit angers me greatly. And an Irishman, no less, who I am lead to believe comes from the same part of the country as me.

It shows, just like those English subhuman tabloid writers, you are in fact not interested in Benitez as a manager but you just don't like him as a person and will use whatever xenophobic bullshit you want to tarnish him.

This just dawned on me Rafa, u take insult to Benitez being called FSW (see above) but its ok to call Fergie 'The Senile Scottish Alcoholic'.

Double standards methinks

[Rudigar]

I'm sure £20,000 is really going to hurt 'The Senile Scottish Alcoholic'.




Senile - Check
Scottish - Check
Alcoholic - Check.

You make a point of calling Rafa 'The Fat Spanish Waiter' everytime you can. This phrase is what makes my skin crawl when it comes to the English media as it shows their absolute contempt for anyone foreign in the game or anyone foreign in general in fact.

The fact that a so-called fellow 'Irishman' has succumbed to this pathetic, unintelligent, lowest form of racist wit angers me greatly. And an Irishman, no less, who I am lead to believe comes from the same part of the country as me.

It shows, just like those English subhuman tabloid writers, you are in fact not interested in Benitez as a manager but you just don't like him as a person and will use whatever xenophobic bullshit you want to tarnish him.

This just dawned on me Rafa, u take insult to Benitez being called FSW (see above) but its ok to call Fergie 'The Senile Scottish Alcoholic'.

Double standards methinks

I think that was his point, it was ironic.