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Title: Leinster Club Football Championships 2012
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 27, 2012, 11:53:07 AM
AIB Leinster Club Senior Football Championship 2012

1   St. Patricks (WW)   v   Eire Og (CW)    28.10.2012   Aughrim   2.30

2    1   v   Portlaoise (LS)    11.11.2012   Aughrim/Carlow   2.30

3   Emmet Og (LD)   v   St. Annes (WX)    28.10.2012   Longford   2.30

4   3   v    Meath    11.11.2012   Longford/Wexford   2.30

5   Rhode (OY)   v   St. Patricks (LH)    28.10.2012   Tullamore   2.30

6   5   v   Sarsfields (KE)    11.11.2012   Tullamore/Drogheda   2.30

7   Westmeath   v   Dublin    11.11.2012   Mullingar   2.30

8   2   v   4    25.11.2012   To be confirmed   TBC

9   6   v   7    25.11.2012   To be confirmed   TBC

Final   8   v   9      9.12.2012   Neutral Venue   TBC




AIB Leinster Intermediate Club Football Championship 2012

1   Emo (Laois)   v   Starlights (WX)   27.10.2012   Portlaoise   3.00

2   1   v   O'Connells (LH)     4.11.2012   Laois/Wexford   2.30

3   St. Brigids (OY)   v   Castletown/Finea/Coole/Whitehall (WH)   21.10.2012   Croghan   3.00

4   Castletown/F/C/W (WH)    v   Meath     4.11.2012   Westmeath   2.30

5   Fighting Cocks(CW)   v   Monasterevin (KE)     4.11.2012   Carlow   2.30

6   Cuala   v   St. Marys (Longford)   28.10.2012   O Toole Park   2.30

7   6   v   Wicklow     4.11.2012   Dublin/Longford   TBC

8   2   v   4   18.11.2012   Home Venue 2   TBC

9   5   v   7   18.11.2012   Home Venue 5   TBC

Final   8   v   9    2.12.2012   TBC   TBC




AIB Leinster Club Junior Football Championship 2012

1   Kilcormac/Killoughey (OY)   v   Ratoath (MH)   14.10.2012   Kilcormac   12.00

2   Ballinabranna (CW)   v   Castleknock (D)   14.10.2012   Bagenalstown   3.00

3   Castleknock   v   Kilmacanogue (WW)   28.10.2012   Blakestown   2.30

4   Clogherinkoe (KE)   v   Newtowncashel (LD)   14.10.2012   Newbridge   3.00

5   Clogherinkoe   v   Glen Emmetts (LH)   28.10.2012   Newbridge   2.30

6   St. Fintans (WX)   v   Kilcavan (LS)   13.10.2012   Wexford Park   2.00

7   St. Fintans   v   Kilbeggan (WH)   28.10.2012   Bellefield,Enniscorthy   2.30

8   Rathoath   v   3   11.11.2012   Home Venue 1   TBC

9   5   v   7   11.11.2012   Home Venue 5   TBC

Final   8   v   9   25.11.2012   TBC   TBC
Title: Re: Leinster Club Football Championships 2012
Post by: Shamrock Shore on October 28, 2012, 03:47:51 PM
Final score from Pearse Park:

Killoe Emmet Óg (Longford) 2-07
St. Anne's (wexford) 2-04
Title: Re: Leinster Club Football Championships 2012
Post by: All of a Sludden on October 28, 2012, 03:59:48 PM
AIB Leinster SFC Full Time: Rhode 1-7 St Patricks 1-9
Title: Re: Leinster Club Football Championships 2012
Post by: rodney trotter on October 28, 2012, 04:44:52 PM
Garrycastle beaten by 1 point in the replay against Mullingar
Title: Re: Leinster Club Football Championships 2012
Post by: Rossfan on October 28, 2012, 05:22:37 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on October 28, 2012, 03:47:51 PM
Final score from Pearse Park:

Killoe Emmet Óg (Longford) 2-07
St. Anne's (wexford) 2-04
Some highly excitable and exciting commentary ( not a bit unbiased of course  :P) from Messrs Duffy and Tireney on this one.
Well done - great result.
Title: Re: Leinster Club Football Championships 2012
Post by: Shamrock Shore on October 28, 2012, 06:15:23 PM
QuoteSome highly excitable and exciting commentary ( not a bit unbiased of course  ) from Messrs Duffy and Tireney on this one.
Well done - great result.

For sure - and then Shiteside would ruin the moment and switch over to Willie Hegarty  ;)
Title: Re: Leinster Club Football Championships 2012
Post by: rodney trotter on October 28, 2012, 07:07:56 PM
Ha Willie Hegarty off Shannonside, rare as they come...
Title: Re: Leinster Club Football Championships 2012
Post by: thejuice on October 28, 2012, 08:16:16 PM
O'Mahony's beat Tones by about 8 points.
Title: Re: Leinster Club Football Championships 2012
Post by: AZOffaly on October 28, 2012, 08:22:18 PM
Poor result for Rhode. Big fish in a small pond syndrome. Wasn't at it, so I don't know how good or bad St. Pats are, but Rhode have a lot of experience, and should be able to turn a home draw into a win.
Title: Re: Leinster Club Football Championships 2012
Post by: Sea The Stars on October 29, 2012, 09:34:46 PM
Quote from: thejuice on October 28, 2012, 08:16:16 PM
O'Mahony's beat Tones by about 8 points.

Seen O'Mahonys in four of their championship games this year - they're easily the best in Meath. For the sake of the county, I hope they take the celebrations easy and give Leinster a good rattle - they're defintely capable of winning it with the names they have. I only realised after yesterday's game but they've conceded an average of little over six points in seven championship matches in Meath (0-4, 0-5, 0-4, 1-6, 0-9, 0-9, 0-7). A miserly enough defence. I wonder what sort of test Killoe from Longford will be able to provide? Looking at the rest, the Dublin champs (any result?) as well as St Patricks from Louth and Mullingar Shamrocks having knocked out Rhode and Garrycastle respectively. Portlaoise and Sarsfields to worry about too.
Title: Re: Leinster Club Football Championships 2012
Post by: Declan on October 30, 2012, 08:26:54 AM
Lads the standard in the Meath county final was very poor. O'Mahony's were missing some players as well but it's hard to see them troubling Portlaoise, Sarsfields or Ballymun 
Title: Re: Leinster Club Football Championships 2012
Post by: Dinny Breen on October 30, 2012, 11:36:20 AM
Portlaoise will be heavy favourites now for this I'd imagine. Sarsfields will be inexperienced so hard to know how they'll go but their manager John Crofton did lead Towers to a Leinster Club final in 2003.
Title: Re: Leinster Club Football Championships 2012
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 30, 2012, 12:49:16 PM
http://www.oddschecker.com/other-sports/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/leinster-club-football-championship/winner (http://www.oddschecker.com/other-sports/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/leinster-club-football-championship/winner)

Portlaoise best priced 7/4 looks generous if they're up for it. It's hard to know whether being able to cruise through the Laois championship every year does them much good though.

I don't know what to make of Sarsfields. I thought they were poor enough against Carbury given the quality of their football in the run up to the final. If they can get back to that form then they might give this a rattle. I don't think their backs are quite good enough to win it out and the quality of their forwards alone won't be enough to dig them out against the likes of Ballymun and Mullingar.
Title: Re: Leinster Club Football Championships 2012
Post by: Sea The Stars on October 30, 2012, 07:03:25 PM
Quote from: Declan on October 30, 2012, 08:26:54 AM
Lads the standard in the Meath county final was very poor. O'Mahony's were missing some players as well but it's hard to see them troubling Portlaoise, Sarsfields or Ballymun

A lot depends on how they spend this week. Meath has a high turnover of county champions (7 in the last 10 years) so the tendancy is to celebrate wildly - teams like Portlaoise are regulars in the Leinster club championship. So probably not as much celebrations.

However the impression I got from the interviews on LMFM after Sunday's final was that O'Mahonys were eyeing up a Leinster campaign. I think they're capable of winning it but will probably need a small bit of good fortune along the way (like any team trying to make a breakthrough).

There hasn't been much appeal in any of their games I was at either. They're dogged but the standard isn't neccesarily poor.

Title: Re: Leinster Club Football Championships 2012
Post by: spuds on October 30, 2012, 08:44:20 PM
A football county like Meath seldom have club sides competing seriously for Leinster club titles, how is this ? O'Mahony's would have a fair scattering of past and present county men.
Who were the last Leinster champions from Meath ?
Title: Re: Leinster Club Football Championships 2012
Post by: All of a Sludden on October 30, 2012, 08:56:16 PM
Quote from: spuds on October 30, 2012, 08:44:20 PM
Who were the last Leinster champions from Meath ?

Dunshaughlin beat Mattock Rangers in the 2002 Leinster final.
Title: Re: Leinster Club Football Championships 2012
Post by: Declan on October 31, 2012, 07:52:29 AM
QuoteThey're dogged but the standard isn't neccesarily poor

I dunno Seas the Stars - I was at the Dublin final on Sunday and it was a world of difference from what I saw in Navan on Sunday. Looking at some other games during the year as well and I'm finding it hard to remember one that stood out. However as you say O'Mahony's might fancy their chances alright but can't see it myself.

QuoteDunshaughlin beat Mattock Rangers in the 2002 Leinster final.

Great memories of that 3 in a row team -  Some "battles" with Rathnew  ;) Hard to believe its 10 years though
Title: Re: Leinster Club Football Championships 2012
Post by: Shamrock Shore on November 11, 2012, 03:57:22 PM
Great win for Killoe who surprised me by beating Navan O'Mahoneys. Semi final now v Portlaoise.
Title: Re: Leinster Club Football Championships 2012
Post by: Billys Boots on November 11, 2012, 04:55:35 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on November 11, 2012, 03:57:22 PM
Great win for Killoe who surprised me by beating Navan O'Mahoneys. Semi final now v Portlaoise.

I didn't see that coming ...  Fair play indeed.
Title: Re: Leinster Club Football Championships 2012
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 11, 2012, 04:59:18 PM
Portlaoise will be hard to beat this year, some scores they are knocking out lately
Title: Re: Leinster Club Football Championships 2012
Post by: INDIANA on November 11, 2012, 05:02:27 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 11, 2012, 04:59:18 PM
Portlaoise will be hard to beat this year, some scores they are knocking out lately

they say that every year
Title: Re: Leinster Club Football Championships 2012
Post by: Sea The Stars on November 11, 2012, 08:06:54 PM
I'm disappointed to see the Meath reps in the Leinster Champ[ionship crash at the first hurdle yet again. Well done to Killoe of Longford....from the scoreline it looks like it was a convincing victory. I wonder about O'Mahonys though - massive underachievers even accounting for their success in the Meath SFC this year.
Title: Re: Leinster Club Football Championships 2012
Post by: Jinxy on November 11, 2012, 09:00:23 PM
In general I think a club team needs to be reasonably dominant within their own county to do well at provincial level.
There are exceptions to the rule, but it's no coincidence that the last team we had that were competitive at the highest level were Dunshaughlin.
Dublin is probably a bit different in that the general standard of their championship is pretty high which makes it very difficult for any one team to dominate.
Title: Re: Leinster Club Football Championships 2012
Post by: Sea The Stars on November 11, 2012, 09:10:39 PM
I agree Jinxy. Going back as far as 2002, Dunshaughlin, Dunboyne, Skyrne*2, Blackhall Gaels, Navan O'Mahonys*2, Summerhill, Senchalstown*2 and Wolfe Tones have all won the Meath SFC. I think Meath's poor record at senior club level could lie in the fact that every year a different champion is crowned and they are satisfied to end their efforts there and then. 
Title: Re: Leinster Club Football Championships 2012
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 11, 2012, 09:38:07 PM
Are the semi-finals at neutral venues?
Title: Re: Leinster Club Football Championships 2012
Post by: Shamrock Shore on November 11, 2012, 09:46:37 PM
As far as I know DH

Portlaoise v Killoe will surely be in Mullingar.
Title: Re: Leinster Club Football Championships 2012
Post by: North Longford on November 11, 2012, 10:13:48 PM
Killoe game is in portlaoise
Title: Re: Leinster Club Football Championships 2012
Post by: emmetryan on November 11, 2012, 10:48:18 PM
It was home venues all the way to the final for a few years. Last year's final however was in Tullamore, when it was Garrycastle and Brigid's.
Title: Re: Leinster Club Football Championships 2012
Post by: Billys Boots on November 12, 2012, 08:48:11 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on November 11, 2012, 09:00:23 PM
In general I think a club team needs to be reasonably dominant within their own county to do well at provincial level.
There are exceptions to the rule, but it's no coincidence that the last team we had that were competitive at the highest level were Dunshaughlin.
Dublin is probably a bit different in that the general standard of their championship is pretty high which makes it very difficult for any one team to dominate.

Killoe were very much surprise winners in Longford this year. 
Title: Re: Leinster Club Football Championships 2012
Post by: Declan on November 12, 2012, 08:50:16 AM
QuoteGreat win for Killoe who surprised me by beating Navan O'Mahoneys

Result not really a surprise to me but the margin of victory certainly was
Title: Re: Leinster Club Football Championships 2012
Post by: Jinxy on November 12, 2012, 11:56:09 AM
Quote from: Billys Boots on November 12, 2012, 08:48:11 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on November 11, 2012, 09:00:23 PM
In general I think a club team needs to be reasonably dominant within their own county to do well at provincial level.
There are exceptions to the rule, but it's no coincidence that the last team we had that were competitive at the highest level were Dunshaughlin.
Dublin is probably a bit different in that the general standard of their championship is pretty high which makes it very difficult for any one team to dominate.

Killoe were very much surprise winners in Longford this year.

Fair enough but I wouldn't get too excited about beating Navan.
If they beat Portlaoise then they'll be bucking the trend.
Title: Re: Leinster Club Football Championships 2012
Post by: Billys Boots on November 12, 2012, 04:54:59 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on November 12, 2012, 11:56:09 AM
Quote from: Billys Boots on November 12, 2012, 08:48:11 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on November 11, 2012, 09:00:23 PM
In general I think a club team needs to be reasonably dominant within their own county to do well at provincial level.
There are exceptions to the rule, but it's no coincidence that the last team we had that were competitive at the highest level were Dunshaughlin.
Dublin is probably a bit different in that the general standard of their championship is pretty high which makes it very difficult for any one team to dominate.

Killoe were very much surprise winners in Longford this year.

Fair enough but I wouldn't get too excited about beating Navan.
If they beat Portlaoise then they'll be bucking the trend.

They don't do excitement in Killoe, let me assure you.  I wouldn't be giving them too much of a chance next time out - to be honest I was surprised they got to the county final, never mind winning it.  They'd have a reputation for honest endeavour, with Speedy McCormack's (if anyone remembers him) nephew knocking over the majority of the scores. 
Title: Re: Leinster Club Football Championships 2012
Post by: Shamrock Shore on November 12, 2012, 08:13:21 PM
QuoteSpeedy McCormack

One of the best. Would have made most county teams in Ireland at his peak in the early-mid 80s.
Title: Re: Leinster Club Football Championships 2012
Post by: The Insider on November 12, 2012, 11:26:48 PM
Don't think Speedy is related to the 4 Mc Cormack's. Padraig and Sean are sons of Terry who's a selector, Joe is a son of Tommy who's team manager and Seamus is a son of Jimmy who was team manager of their minor championship winning side. No one could sell a dummy like Speedy, defenders knew what was coming but were powerless to deal with it. Colm Parkinson wrote them off completely on Newstalk tonight. Plenty in Killoe will remind him should the dream prevail and they become the first Longford Club to reach a Leinster club. Maybe a rural club in Longford but have 5 players with Leinster minor  championship medals , 1 All star nomination which if the system was fair would have collected an award and the 3rd highest scorer in the football championship in their midst.
Title: Re: Leinster Club Football Championships 2012
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 18, 2012, 05:48:56 PM
QuoteLeinster JFC Final - 25/11/12 (2:00)

Castleknock (Dublin) v St Fintan's (Wexford) Venue: Parnell Park


Leinster IFC Final - 2/12/12 (2.00)

O'Connell's (Louth) v Monasterevan (Kildare) Venue: TBC

Good win today for Monasterevan. Kildare clubs seem to do very well in the Intermediate Championship.
Title: Re: Leinster Club Football Championships 2012
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 25, 2012, 06:27:00 PM
Popped over to Newbridge for the match this afternoon. Dreadful conditions for football and no doubt that Ballymun handled them better. Sarsfields had most of the ball and territory but they were dreadfully wasteful in front of goal. Ballymun on the other hand were clinical. Overheard someone saying on the way out that Sarsfields kicked seventeen wides. That tells its own story.

Sarsfields had two great opportunities to level the scores before the Ballymun goal that decided it but snatched at both of them. Once Alan Smith went off they were in big trouble because he was their one forward that was showing some composure in front of goal. Ballymun look a well drilled side and they put a bit of a gloss on the scoreline in the final few minutes. I think they will go well in the final because they look a hardier team than Portlaoise.

Sarsfields will regret all their missed chances because this was a great opportunity for them to go one better than 2005 and 1999 and emulate their town rivals by winning the provincial title. There's no guarantee that they'll win the Kildare title again next year. Finally, Gary White will be some loss to Kildare next year.
Title: Re: Leinster Club Football Championships 2012
Post by: INDIANA on November 25, 2012, 07:25:21 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 25, 2012, 06:27:00 PM
Popped over to Newbridge for the match this afternoon. Dreadful conditions for football and no doubt that Ballymun handled them better. Sarsfields had most of the ball and territory but they were dreadfully wasteful in front of goal. Ballymun on the other hand were clinical. Overheard someone saying on the way out that Sarsfields kicked seventeen wides. That tells its own story.

Sarsfields had two great opportunities to level the scores before the Ballymun goal that decided it but snatched at both of them. Once Alan Smith went off they were in big trouble because he was their one forward that was showing some composure in front of goal. Ballymun look a well drilled side and they put a bit of a gloss on the scoreline in the final few minutes. I think they will go well in the final because they look a hardier team than Portlaoise.

Sarsfields will regret all their missed chances because this was a great opportunity for them to go one better than 2005 and 1999 and emulate their town rivals by winning the provincial title. There's no guarantee that they'll win the Kildare title again next year. Finally, Gary White will be some loss to Kildare next year.

Ballymun were very clinical I thought. Sarsfield unfortunately were a mirror image of the Kildare county side. Good in every aspect except being consistently able to score.
Title: Re: Leinster Club Football Championships 2012
Post by: Shamrock Shore on November 25, 2012, 09:09:39 PM
Hard luck to Killoe - seemed to have given it a good lash and had Quinn's shot in the second half not been wonderfully saved....well, who knows.

Seemed all of Killoe were there.

Still no Longford club has made it to the Leinster final  :(
Title: Re: Leinster Club Football Championships 2012
Post by: shark on November 26, 2012, 05:33:00 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on November 25, 2012, 06:27:00 PM
Finally, Gary White will be some loss to Kildare next year.

He was a loss this year too seeing as McGeeney never picked him!  As an outsider looking in I can't understand how he has not been a mainstay in the Kildare team.
Title: Re: Leinster Club Football Championships 2012
Post by: rodney trotter on November 26, 2012, 06:58:51 PM
Is Gary White heading abroad? Never played much with Kildare seniors, class u21 when Kildare got to the All Ireland final. Cavan will take him if ye don't need him
"low key transfer" ???
Title: Re: Leinster Club Football Championships 2012
Post by: Swadman on November 26, 2012, 07:30:34 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on November 26, 2012, 06:58:51 PM
Is Gary White heading abroad? Never played much with Kildare seniors, class u21 when Kildare got to the All Ireland final. Cavan will take him if ye don't need him
"low key transfer" ???
Would that be a swap for Jelly? 
Title: Re: Leinster Club Football Championships 2012
Post by: rodney trotter on November 26, 2012, 07:36:38 PM
Quote from: Swadman on November 26, 2012, 07:30:34 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on November 26, 2012, 06:58:51 PM
Is Gary White heading abroad? Never played much with Kildare seniors, class u21 when Kildare got to the All Ireland final. Cavan will take him if ye don't need him
"low key transfer" ???
Would that be a swap for Jelly?

Yeah, but hopefully it wouldn't take 6/7 months for it to happen..
Title: Re: Leinster Club Football Championships 2012
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 26, 2012, 07:50:12 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on November 26, 2012, 06:58:51 PM
Is Gary White heading abroad? Never played much with Kildare seniors, class u21 when Kildare got to the All Ireland final. Cavan will take him if ye don't need him
"low key transfer" ???

He's due to go to the Lebanon on a tour of duty with the army as far as I know. He was the best midfielder on view in the county championship this year and we're short of quality midfielders. Kevin Feely signing for Charlton Athletic today takes away another option for that position.

Alan Smith was having a scan today on his cruciate after being taken off injured yesterday.

Title: Re: Leinster Club Football Championships 2012
Post by: rodney trotter on November 26, 2012, 08:04:07 PM
Smith would be a serious loss for Kildare. HE was very impressive the championship.

Might give Paul Gribben a run in the forwards, back from the AFL.
Title: Re: Leinster Club Football Championships 2012
Post by: All of a Sludden on December 02, 2012, 02:36:43 PM
Half time in the Leinster Club IFC Final: O'Connells 0-0  0-1 Monasterevan
Title: Re: Leinster Club Football Championships 2012
Post by: All of a Sludden on December 02, 2012, 02:58:30 PM
O'Connells 0-2  0-1 Monasterevan
Title: Re: Leinster Club Football Championships 2012
Post by: All of a Sludden on December 02, 2012, 03:22:35 PM
O'Connells 0-3  0-4 Monasterevan Result
Title: Re: Leinster Club Football Championships 2012
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on December 02, 2012, 03:25:29 PM
Great result for the Venice of Ireland!

3 out of the last 4 Leinster IFCs have been won by Kildare clubs - Maynooth in 2009 and Ballymore in 2010.
Title: Re: Leinster Club Football Championships 2012
Post by: Rossfan on December 02, 2012, 04:05:49 PM
Quote from: All of a Sludden on December 02, 2012, 03:22:35 PM
O'Connells 0-3  0-4 Monasterevan Result

Ouch !!!!
Title: Re: Leinster Club Football Championships 2012
Post by: Dinny Breen on December 03, 2012, 09:03:59 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 02, 2012, 03:25:29 PM
Great result for the Venice of Ireland!

3 out of the last 4 Leinster IFCs have been won by Kildare clubs - Maynooth in 2009 and Ballymore in 2010.

There wasn't a Gerard Manley Hopkins poem read in Monasterevan last night...
Title: Re: Leinster Club Football Championships 2012
Post by: blanketattack on December 03, 2012, 11:16:52 AM
The full time score in the intermediate final was the same as the half-time score in a premier league game!
Title: Re: Leinster Club Football Championships 2012
Post by: rodney trotter on December 09, 2012, 01:39:09 PM
Hon Ballymun, very rare I'd support a Dublin team, but there is a lot of arrogance about Portloise.
Title: Re: Leinster Club Football Championships 2012
Post by: Jinxy on December 09, 2012, 02:59:04 PM
Ballymun are playing good Winter football.
Fast, strong and well organised.
That said, Portlaoise are doing themselves no favours.
Title: Re: Leinster Club Football Championships 2012
Post by: Rossfan on December 09, 2012, 03:54:22 PM
Awful shooting by the Portlaoise lads.
As usual the team with the best forwards won.
Mind you they also played a better type of football while PL's was of the type " never use one pass when you can use 7 or 8 sideways ones".
And they got a blatant illegal point in the first half as the ball was shovelled over the bar with a big open palm  ::)
Title: Re: Leinster Club Football Championships 2012
Post by: emmetryan on December 09, 2012, 06:13:38 PM
I've put together a tactical analysis piece on the game here http://action81.com/blog/?p=6505
Title: Re: Leinster Club Football Championships 2012
Post by: catchandkick on December 10, 2012, 09:22:51 AM
How many wides did Portlaoise have in total?
Title: Re: Leinster Club Football Championships 2012
Post by: emmetryan on December 10, 2012, 09:36:56 AM
Nine