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But Larryin you're meant to sit back and enjoy watching the Superteam.
Tough luck if you want a competitive game thrown in.

I think the Dubs would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for that pesky need for sport to be competitive.

GF is in a really weird state that has no future.

GF has a future, the intercounty system does not.

Dublin U21/U20 have won 9 Leinster titles in the last 12 years compared to 7 in the previous 45 years.

They've gone on to win 5 All-Irelands [and are in the final again this year] in those 12 years, having won 1 All-Ireland in the previous 45 years of the competition.

Anyone who goes on about a golden generation of players is talking absolute codswallop, unless they can explain how one golden generation managed to win 5[and possibly 6] U21/U20 over the span of 12 years.

That's still less than Cork's six All-Ireland under-21 football titles in the 1980s

Galway won four between 2002 and 2013

Limerick won three u-21 titles in hurling from 2000 to 2002

Clare won four from 2009 to 2014

The latter three didn't capitalise hugely off those, only Clare got one senior title in 2013

It's an inexact science

Somebody mentioned ladies' football

Cork won 11 titles from 12 from 2005 to 2016 - I presume people were calling for Cork to be split up

Are RTE viewers going to watch all Ireland finals beyond 6 in a row ?
Are aserial all Ireland hammerings > 8 points  to 2030 and beyond likely to be of interest to neutrals ?
The GAA has destoyed its core product.  #Facepalm

As David Halberstam said of Robert McNamara in his book "the Best and the Brightest". - ": "they were brilliant, and they were fools."

It's possible this would have happened without the money. Dublin are Barcelona, Milan, Munich. The rest are IFK Gothenburg, Basel, Bruges.

History will probably say it was the money but I'm not so sure.

As I've probably said before, Dublins population INCREASE since 1990 is larger than the present TOTAL population of Kildare or Meath.

Demographics.

How many of this population increase are eligible to play for Dublin?

I don't think Wayne from Basildon who is living in Dublin and fixing Sky boxes for a living, or Deepak from Mohali who is fixing computers, or Frida from Odense who is at Google, or Jasmine from Quezon City who is working as a child minder, or Ricardo from Belo Horizonte who is Deliverooing will make much of a difference to Dublin's prospects

Maybe their kids will - or maybe their kids will make a difference to the prospects of Meath or Kildare

But of course Sid. It's only Dublin where the new population increase is all foreign immigrants. You'll never see a black person or polish person in Kildare. We actually only allow people in who can trace their lineage to an all Ireland winner.

Key point.. Dublins population INCREASE since 1990 is larger than the present TOTAL population of Kildare or Meath.

That's the crux of the domination. The funding has a affect but is largely a red herring.

Culchies moving to Dublins suburbs after getting work in Dublin and taking their traditions of GAA with them.

It's economic more than sport.

The crux of the domination is people who aren't playing and have no interest in playing for Dublin, or playing Gaelic Games at all?

How so?

Census Sid I think I'll call you from now on.

Dublin U21/U20 have won 9 Leinster titles in the last 12 years compared to 7 in the previous 45 years.

They've gone on to win 5 All-Irelands [and are in the final again this year] in those 12 years, having won 1 All-Ireland in the previous 45 years of the competition.

Anyone who goes on about a golden generation of players is talking absolute codswallop, unless they can explain how one golden generation managed to win 5[and possibly 6] U21/U20 over the span of 12 years.

That's still less than Cork's six All-Ireland under-21 football titles in the 1980s

Galway won four between 2002 and 2013

Limerick won three u-21 titles in hurling from 2000 to 2002

Clare won four from 2009 to 2014

The latter three didn't capitalise hugely off those, only Clare got one senior title in 2013

It's an inexact science

Somebody mentioned ladies' football

Cork won 11 titles from 12 from 2005 to 2016 - I presume people were calling for Cork to be split up

Are RTE viewers going to watch all Ireland finals beyond 6 in a row ?
Are aserial all Ireland hammerings > 8 points  to 2030 and beyond likely to be of interest to neutrals ?
The GAA has destoyed its core product.  #Facepalm

As David Halberstam said of Robert McNamara in his book "the Best and the Brightest". - ": "they were brilliant, and they were fools."

It's possible this would have happened without the money. Dublin are Barcelona, Milan, Munich. The rest are IFK Gothenburg, Basel, Bruges.

History will probably say it was the money but I'm not so sure.

As I've probably said before, Dublins population INCREASE since 1990 is larger than the present TOTAL population of Kildare or Meath.

Demographics.

How many of this population increase are eligible to play for Dublin?

I don't think Wayne from Basildon who is living in Dublin and fixing Sky boxes for a living, or Deepak from Mohali who is fixing computers, or Frida from Odense who is at Google, or Jasmine from Quezon City who is working as a child minder, or Ricardo from Belo Horizonte who is Deliverooing will make much of a difference to Dublin's prospects

Maybe their kids will - or maybe their kids will make a difference to the prospects of Meath or Kildare

But of course Sid. It's only Dublin where the new population increase is all foreign immigrants. You'll never see a black person or polish person in Kildare. We actually only allow people in who can trace their lineage to an all Ireland winner.

Key point.. Dublins population INCREASE since 1990 is larger than the present TOTAL population of Kildare or Meath.

That's the crux of the domination. The funding has a affect but is largely a red herring.

Culchies moving to Dublins suburbs after getting work in Dublin and taking their traditions of GAA with them.

It's economic more than sport.

Dublin U21/U20 have won 9 Leinster titles in the last 12 years compared to 7 in the previous 45 years.

They've gone on to win 5 All-Irelands [and are in the final again this year] in those 12 years, having won 1 All-Ireland in the previous 45 years of the competition.

Anyone who goes on about a golden generation of players is talking absolute codswallop, unless they can explain how one golden generation managed to win 5[and possibly 6] U21/U20 over the span of 12 years.

That's still less than Cork's six All-Ireland under-21 football titles in the 1980s

Galway won four between 2002 and 2013

Limerick won three u-21 titles in hurling from 2000 to 2002

Clare won four from 2009 to 2014

The latter three didn't capitalise hugely off those, only Clare got one senior title in 2013

It's an inexact science

Somebody mentioned ladies' football

Cork won 11 titles from 12 from 2005 to 2016 - I presume people were calling for Cork to be split up

Are RTE viewers going to watch all Ireland finals beyond 6 in a row ?
Are aserial all Ireland hammerings > 8 points  to 2030 and beyond likely to be of interest to neutrals ?
The GAA has destoyed its core product.  #Facepalm

As David Halberstam said of Robert McNamara in his book "the Best and the Brightest". - ": "they were brilliant, and they were fools."

It's possible this would have happened without the money. Dublin are Barcelona, Milan, Munich. The rest are IFK Gothenburg, Basel, Bruges.

History will probably say it was the money but I'm not so sure.

As I've probably said before, Dublins population INCREASE since 1990 is larger than the present TOTAL population of Kildare or Meath.

Demographics.

You're going to have to come up with better reasons ..

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The idea that anyone, even god almighty,  could come up with any reasons to convince Dublin fans they have an advantage is a amusing one.

Dublin fans follow a policy of deny, deflection, deny, deflection, deny, deflection and they are right to do so.

It's kind of funny that people say kildare and meath should be better because they have large populations.

Dublin's population increase since 1990 is larger the meath or kildare's present total population.

The crux of the advantage is population, not funding. The funding disparity is huge but not a big factor in Dublins domination.

Trying to do down Dublin's players is pathetic. They are good individuals away from football and haven't brought a ounce of controversy on themselves away from the field except for Connolly I guess but overall they can't be criticized.

There have been no player work profiles in Programs for years.

There are many GAA players who take the piss of being eternal College Students. Many don't work or are in handy makey up jobs.

I presume there was a decision along the way to delete that section of Player Profiles as it was a bit embarrassing and threw a spanner in the Amateur ethos the GAA likes to hide behind.

Just a FYI all the bios for the Dublin players remain on the Dublin GAA website for any curious people out there. There are a few students on the team but incredibly the vast majority have real jobs and don't live the life of professional footballers

I don't think Kilkenny has a job, he worked in 3 for a while,, not aware of any others.

But this is a nonsense side track of an argument anyway.

Ciaran Kilkenny is teaching in Blanchardstown.

Fair enough, I stand corrected.

There have been no player work profiles in Programs for years.

There are many GAA players who take the piss of being eternal College Students. Many don't work or are in handy makey up jobs.

I presume there was a decision along the way to delete that section of Player Profiles as it was a bit embarrassing and threw a spanner in the Amateur ethos the GAA likes to hide behind.

Just a FYI all the bios for the Dublin players remain on the Dublin GAA website for any curious people out there. There are a few students on the team but incredibly the vast majority have real jobs and don't live the life of professional footballers

I don't think Kilkenny has a job, he worked in 3 for a while,, not aware of any others.

But this is a nonsense side track of an argument anyway.

To be fair Dublin are the first perfect GAA team there's ever being, the players on the field and on bench are all almost perfect athletes with maybe one or two exceptions, I'm thinking paddy Andrew's and Kevin Mcmanamon and murchan (only because he is a lot shorter than an average intercounty player) wouldn't have perfect athletic physiques but the rest do.

They are perfect footballers as well with very few if any weaknesses in their skill set.

All the players have all the tools. They are total footballers who can play in any position and be comfortable on the field. The only exception would be Michael Dara mcauley who had quite a limited skill set but is an effective team player.

This is not what county teams used to be. Tyrone were the team of the 00s along with Kerry but there lads on the team that weren't perfectly athletic. An example would be Conor Gormley. The likes of Kevin Hughes or quite a few other examples weren't great kickers of a football but they were there to fulfill a role and get the ball to the danger men.

Dublin are remarkable in that you are watching as close to professional perfection as any team will ever get to.

In comparison Mayo are a normal good GAA team but have players with weaknesses that can be exploited.

Anyone who seriously believes that all the other Leinster counties needs to do is work more and train harder to catch up with the Dubs needs to be led away quietly to a home for the bewildered.
They'd be Trump supporters if they lived on the other side of the Atlantic.

Dublin fans are a bit like unionists. They want the ascendancy and everything stacked in their favour and are not interested in a level playing field.

The GAA see Dublin GAA as a cashcow and that's all that matters to them.

Part of the problem with this "debate" is that like so many other things in life now, it's being treated largely as a culture war based on feelings rather than facts and context - in that sort of environment, it's very difficult to get any sort of honest debate going 

The comments above are a good example of this

Certain commentators in the media have fuelled this (hello Mr. McKenna, hello Mr. Parkinson) and what comes from their mouths or pens can be generally be treated with the same sort of seriousness as one would extend to a Breitbart article

My comments couldn't be accused of that. I just want a watchable competition that is fair. Culchies and ewan want Dublin punished. Dubs want their advantages protected at all costs.

There's no adult debate. Dublin are unbeatable, congratulations. I don't care about the reasons for that but we can't go on with playing a competition that is pointless. Or ye can if you want but I won't be watching and I doubt I will be alone.

Dublin club teams are not dominating lienster

It's almost like club and county are different competitions

[It's never going to happen.]

Kildare unfortunately as I am from kildare are just not very good at football. Our history shows that. We should be better but we aren't and aren't going to get better with no hope of competing for a province.

My "narrative" Sid is that population is the biggest factor. If you want to disagree with that then fair enough

Nobody said population isn't a factor, but it also isn't the be all and end all either - and all representative sport has inherent population imbalances

I gave the example of Cork having over five times the population of Kilkenny yet Kilkenny have won eight All-Irelands since Cork last won one

Saying "we are not very good at football" is not an excuse - it just showcases the attitude that is holding a county like Kildare back

Kildare had 222k at the last census - Kerry for comparison had 147k, Mayo 130k

Kildare has everything in place to be one of the top football counties on a consistent basis, except attitude, organisation, and the knowledge of what it takes and the willingness to follow through on that

Kildare people may bristle at this, but it's the brutal truth

Kildare have had 133 years to become good at football. We never have. It's never going to happen. And certainly not with a behomeath like Dublin on our doorstep.

Dublin won Leinster football. Congratulations.

And when Dublin decided to change that attitude somehow Dublin were wrong.

Congratulations.

Kildare unfortunately as I am from kildare are just not very good at football. Our history shows that. We should be better but we aren't and aren't going to get better with no hope of competing for a province.

My "narrative" Sid is that population is the biggest factor. If you want to disagree with that then fair enough

Nobody said population isn't a factor, but it also isn't the be all and end all either - and all representative sport has inherent population imbalances

I gave the example of Cork having over five times the population of Kilkenny yet Kilkenny have won eight All-Irelands since Cork last won one

Saying "we are not very good at football" is not an excuse - it just showcases the attitude that is holding a county like Kildare back

Kildare had 222k at the last census - Kerry for comparison had 147k, Mayo 130k

Kildare has everything in place to be one of the top football counties on a consistent basis, except attitude, organisation, and the knowledge of what it takes and the willingness to follow through on that

Kildare people may bristle at this, but it's the brutal truth

Kildare have had 133 years to become good at football. We never have. It's never going to happen. And certainly not with a behomeath like Dublin on our doorstep.

Dublin won Leinster football. Congratulations.

Kildare unfortunately as I am from kildare are just not very good at football. Our history shows that. We should be better but we aren't and aren't going to get better with no hope of competing for a province.

My "narrative" Sid is that population is the biggest factor. If you want to disagree with that then fair enough