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GAA Discussion / Re: GAA presidential election 2020
« on: February 27, 2020, 03:43:51 PM »
Jarlath will only be keeping the seat warm for Dick Clerkin.

The GAA would have no interest in voting in someone as personally unpopular as Dick.

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GAA Discussion / Re: GAA presidential election 2020
« on: February 27, 2020, 12:24:14 PM »
Jarlath demonizing the GPA while looking to be president of an association that pays Ä1.875 million to its executives and that makes all its major decisions with money the foremost consideration.

Staggering hypocrisy

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https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/0211/1114542-gaa-announce-record-revenue-of-73-9-million-for-2019/

Thatís my source. Looking forward to seeing yours.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/galway-top-of-the-turnstiles-as-gaa-take-in-60m-in-2019-38976578.html

A figure of Ä36.1m, spurred by a ticket price increase, an All-Ireland football final replay and bigger average attendances at centrally organised games, was recorded at last week's presentation of the annual report to Congress.

But on top of that there was a further Ä13.3m gathered through the four provincial championships, bringing the turnstile value of inter-county games to Ä49.4m. Munster and Leinster both recorded gates in excess of Ä5m, benefiting off the back of the second year of the hurling championship's new round-robin format.

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But Caprea, the county game doesnít generate Ä70m. Nothing close to it.

There were Ä36.1m ticket sales and this was an exceptionally good year as there was an AI final replay.

Thatís sales. That revenue. Itís not profit.

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For reference, over Ä10m was generated from concerts, from roughly 5% the number of events, as there was GAA matches.

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What is it makes you believe that if you keep saying Ä70m that this will be the figure that people believe? Stop being a twit.

Must have never being TV Cameras at the matches you were at, no sponsorship either.

In addition the 36.1 million in Gate receipts is wrong. Itís 49 million for championship games. I donít think that includes league receipts either so itís higher again.

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So people will pay 100 euro for an all Ireland final ticket between Kerry and Dublin Junior teams?

It will be the Kerry and Dublin senior teams. With the best available talent. There's always some players who make themselves unavailable. I don't know a single person who would stop attending a game because certain players wasn't playing. If by your view all the players for all the teams decided to strike (Which would never happen), and the GAA replaced the players with the best available, the AI final between Dublin and Kerry would still sell out. I have no doubt of that. And it would still be Sam Maguire they win, and the supporters would still celebrate the win as much as any.

So fans will pay 100 euro to see Kerry and Dublinís current junior teams play for Sam maguire in a packed Croker?

I know if Tyrone were in the AI final, I would pay £100 to see them. I know most in my circles would as well. If that team was the best of what was available then absolutely. I don't believe a players strike for pay would have support in the wider GAA community. I actually think if this was to happen many within the GAA community would make a point of supporting the players who stepped up to replace them.
So my answer is yes fans would pay it.
Do you think a players strike for pay would have support in the wider community?

Ok thanks. I donít agree. Weíve seen what happens when teams strike and how supporter interest is affected and how striking players always won the fight and county boards had to accede to their demands.

No I donít think striking players would have support in the community. It would divide opinion but ultimately they wouldnít have huge support for sure. Do I think it matters? Yes. Do I think it matters a lot? No I donít.

The biggest problems I see with what I propose is South Dublin doesnít have a stadium, GPOís would be laid off and replaced by pro players in their off season. That will be painful and I donít have an easy answer to it.
Yeah this is the bit I can't accept. It would come down to a decision by the GAA to side with 800 odd players or side with the majority of the organisation. I think they know where their bread is buttered and I don't think it would be the 800 odd players. The reality is if they replace these 800 players, then new players will step up and shine. There'll be new elite players who will know what will happens if they decide to strike and therefore won't take that option. And the GAA will return to where it was. It's a misconception that the players have the power (In my eyes anyway).

I think you underestimate the power of elite players and the idea they can be easily replaced with inferior players and people will still pay ticket prices in anywhere the same numbers is not something Iíd be onboard with.
And in my opinion you are overestimating their power. I know for a large swathe if the GAA membership it is club first. County games are grand for a few days out in the summer but if your County is beat, great letís get on with the real football.

Sure I donít follow the county game at all. Waste of time. Iím pure club. Doesnít mean the county game doesnít generate 70 million a year.
So why the obsession with IC finances and ways to break the current IC structure and its attendant loyalties.

The reason is stated in the topic title.

For now letís go on with the intercounty system but if Dublin with a little bit of Kerry dominate for the next decade then itís time to rethink the structure drastically.

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But Caprea, the county game doesnít generate Ä70m. Nothing close to it.

There were Ä36.1m ticket sales and this was an exceptionally good year as there was an AI final replay.

Thatís sales. That revenue. Itís not profit.

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For reference, over Ä10m was generated from concerts, from roughly 5% the number of events, as there was GAA matches.

óó

What is it makes you believe that if you keep saying Ä70m that this will be the figure that people believe? Stop being a twit.

Must have never being TV Cameras at the matches you were at, no sponsorship either.

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So people will pay 100 euro for an all Ireland final ticket between Kerry and Dublin Junior teams?

It will be the Kerry and Dublin senior teams. With the best available talent. There's always some players who make themselves unavailable. I don't know a single person who would stop attending a game because certain players wasn't playing. If by your view all the players for all the teams decided to strike (Which would never happen), and the GAA replaced the players with the best available, the AI final between Dublin and Kerry would still sell out. I have no doubt of that. And it would still be Sam Maguire they win, and the supporters would still celebrate the win as much as any.

So fans will pay 100 euro to see Kerry and Dublinís current junior teams play for Sam maguire in a packed Croker?

I know if Tyrone were in the AI final, I would pay £100 to see them. I know most in my circles would as well. If that team was the best of what was available then absolutely. I don't believe a players strike for pay would have support in the wider GAA community. I actually think if this was to happen many within the GAA community would make a point of supporting the players who stepped up to replace them.
So my answer is yes fans would pay it.
Do you think a players strike for pay would have support in the wider community?

Ok thanks. I donít agree. Weíve seen what happens when teams strike and how supporter interest is affected and how striking players always won the fight and county boards had to accede to their demands.

No I donít think striking players would have support in the community. It would divide opinion but ultimately they wouldnít have huge support for sure. Do I think it matters? Yes. Do I think it matters a lot? No I donít.

The biggest problems I see with what I propose is South Dublin doesnít have a stadium, GPOís would be laid off and replaced by pro players in their off season. That will be painful and I donít have an easy answer to it.
Yeah this is the bit I can't accept. It would come down to a decision by the GAA to side with 800 odd players or side with the majority of the organisation. I think they know where their bread is buttered and I don't think it would be the 800 odd players. The reality is if they replace these 800 players, then new players will step up and shine. There'll be new elite players who will know what will happens if they decide to strike and therefore won't take that option. And the GAA will return to where it was. It's a misconception that the players have the power (In my eyes anyway).

I think you underestimate the power of elite players and the idea they can be easily replaced with inferior players and people will still pay ticket prices in anywhere the same numbers is not something Iíd be onboard with.
And in my opinion you are overestimating their power. I know for a large swathe if the GAA membership it is club first. County games are grand for a few days out in the summer but if your County is beat, great letís get on with the real football.

Sure I donít follow the county game at all. Waste of time. Iím pure club. Doesnít mean the county game doesnít generate 70 million a year.

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So people will pay 100 euro for an all Ireland final ticket between Kerry and Dublin Junior teams?

It will be the Kerry and Dublin senior teams. With the best available talent. There's always some players who make themselves unavailable. I don't know a single person who would stop attending a game because certain players wasn't playing. If by your view all the players for all the teams decided to strike (Which would never happen), and the GAA replaced the players with the best available, the AI final between Dublin and Kerry would still sell out. I have no doubt of that. And it would still be Sam Maguire they win, and the supporters would still celebrate the win as much as any.

So fans will pay 100 euro to see Kerry and Dublinís current junior teams play for Sam maguire in a packed Croker?

I know if Tyrone were in the AI final, I would pay £100 to see them. I know most in my circles would as well. If that team was the best of what was available then absolutely. I don't believe a players strike for pay would have support in the wider GAA community. I actually think if this was to happen many within the GAA community would make a point of supporting the players who stepped up to replace them.
So my answer is yes fans would pay it.
Do you think a players strike for pay would have support in the wider community?

Ok thanks. I donít agree. Weíve seen what happens when teams strike and how supporter interest is affected and how striking players always won the fight and county boards had to accede to their demands.

No I donít think striking players would have support in the community. It would divide opinion but ultimately they wouldnít have huge support for sure. Do I think it matters? Yes. Do I think it matters a lot? No I donít.

The biggest problems I see with what I propose is South Dublin doesnít have a stadium, GPOís would be laid off and replaced by pro players in their off season. That will be painful and I donít have an easy answer to it.
Yeah this is the bit I can't accept. It would come down to a decision by the GAA to side with 800 odd players or side with the majority of the organisation. I think they know where their bread is buttered and I don't think it would be the 800 odd players. The reality is if they replace these 800 players, then new players will step up and shine. There'll be new elite players who will know what will happens if they decide to strike and therefore won't take that option. And the GAA will return to where it was. It's a misconception that the players have the power (In my eyes anyway).

I think you underestimate the power of elite players and the idea they can be easily replaced with inferior players and people will still pay ticket prices in anywhere the same numbers is not something Iíd be onboard with.

Yeah we obviously don't agree on that. No way of knowing I suppose.

How much money do the GPA receive each year?

6.4 million a year between 2016-2019. No deal in place for this year. Being renegotiated

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So people will pay 100 euro for an all Ireland final ticket between Kerry and Dublin Junior teams?

It will be the Kerry and Dublin senior teams. With the best available talent. There's always some players who make themselves unavailable. I don't know a single person who would stop attending a game because certain players wasn't playing. If by your view all the players for all the teams decided to strike (Which would never happen), and the GAA replaced the players with the best available, the AI final between Dublin and Kerry would still sell out. I have no doubt of that. And it would still be Sam Maguire they win, and the supporters would still celebrate the win as much as any.

So fans will pay 100 euro to see Kerry and Dublinís current junior teams play for Sam maguire in a packed Croker?

I know if Tyrone were in the AI final, I would pay £100 to see them. I know most in my circles would as well. If that team was the best of what was available then absolutely. I don't believe a players strike for pay would have support in the wider GAA community. I actually think if this was to happen many within the GAA community would make a point of supporting the players who stepped up to replace them.
So my answer is yes fans would pay it.
Do you think a players strike for pay would have support in the wider community?

Ok thanks. I donít agree. Weíve seen what happens when teams strike and how supporter interest is affected and how striking players always won the fight and county boards had to accede to their demands.

No I donít think striking players would have support in the community. It would divide opinion but ultimately they wouldnít have huge support for sure. Do I think it matters? Yes. Do I think it matters a lot? No I donít.

The biggest problems I see with what I propose is South Dublin doesnít have a stadium, GPOís would be laid off and replaced by pro players in their off season. That will be painful and I donít have an easy answer to it.
Yeah this is the bit I can't accept. It would come down to a decision by the GAA to side with 800 odd players or side with the majority of the organisation. I think they know where their bread is buttered and I don't think it would be the 800 odd players. The reality is if they replace these 800 players, then new players will step up and shine. There'll be new elite players who will know what will happens if they decide to strike and therefore won't take that option. And the GAA will return to where it was. It's a misconception that the players have the power (In my eyes anyway).

I think you underestimate the power of elite players and the idea they can be easily replaced with inferior players and people will still pay ticket prices in anywhere the same numbers is not something Iíd be onboard with.

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So people will pay 100 euro for an all Ireland final ticket between Kerry and Dublin Junior teams?

It will be the Kerry and Dublin senior teams. With the best available talent. There's always some players who make themselves unavailable. I don't know a single person who would stop attending a game because certain players wasn't playing. If by your view all the players for all the teams decided to strike (Which would never happen), and the GAA replaced the players with the best available, the AI final between Dublin and Kerry would still sell out. I have no doubt of that. And it would still be Sam Maguire they win, and the supporters would still celebrate the win as much as any.

So fans will pay 100 euro to see Kerry and Dublinís current junior teams play for Sam maguire in a packed Croker?

I know if Tyrone were in the AI final, I would pay £100 to see them. I know most in my circles would as well. If that team was the best of what was available then absolutely. I don't believe a players strike for pay would have support in the wider GAA community. I actually think if this was to happen many within the GAA community would make a point of supporting the players who stepped up to replace them.
So my answer is yes fans would pay it.
Do you think a players strike for pay would have support in the wider community?



How many volunteers give monster hours each week without having their hand out?


Soccer and boxing also has volunteers. Pro sports but still with volunteers at youth and amateur level.

People volunteer to benefit and improve their community and because it is their interest.


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So people will pay 100 euro for an all Ireland final ticket between Kerry and Dublin Junior teams?

It will be the Kerry and Dublin senior teams. With the best available talent. There's always some players who make themselves unavailable. I don't know a single person who would stop attending a game because certain players wasn't playing. If by your view all the players for all the teams decided to strike (Which would never happen), and the GAA replaced the players with the best available, the AI final between Dublin and Kerry would still sell out. I have no doubt of that. And it would still be Sam Maguire they win, and the supporters would still celebrate the win as much as any.

So fans will pay 100 euro to see Kerry and Dublinís current junior teams play for Sam maguire in a packed Croker?

I know if Tyrone were in the AI final, I would pay £100 to see them. I know most in my circles would as well. If that team was the best of what was available then absolutely. I don't believe a players strike for pay would have support in the wider GAA community. I actually think if this was to happen many within the GAA community would make a point of supporting the players who stepped up to replace them.
So my answer is yes fans would pay it.
Do you think a players strike for pay would have support in the wider community?

Ok thanks. I donít agree. Weíve seen what happens when teams strike and how supporter interest is affected and how striking players always won the fight and county boards had to accede to their demands.

No I donít think striking players would have support in the community. It would divide opinion but ultimately they wouldnít have huge support for sure. Do I think it matters? Yes. Do I think it matters a lot? No I donít.

The biggest problems I see with what I propose is South Dublin doesnít have a stadium, GPOís would be laid off and replaced by pro players in their off season. That will be painful and I donít have an easy answer to it.



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Just as a point, strikes are commonly seen in GAA, cork hurlers and footballers, Galway hurlers, mayo footballers, limerick Hurlers, possibly Waterford hurlers aswell all refused to play on account of managers they didnít like, how managers were appointed, welfare conditions.

Strikes are nothing new.

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So people will pay 100 euro for an all Ireland final ticket between Kerry and Dublin Junior teams?

It will be the Kerry and Dublin senior teams. With the best available talent. There's always some players who make themselves unavailable. I don't know a single person who would stop attending a game because certain players wasn't playing. If by your view all the players for all the teams decided to strike (Which would never happen), and the GAA replaced the players with the best available, the AI final between Dublin and Kerry would still sell out. I have no doubt of that. And it would still be Sam Maguire they win, and the supporters would still celebrate the win as much as any.

So fans will pay 100 euro to see Kerry and Dublinís current junior teams play for Sam maguire in a packed Croker?

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Ok if you think fans are going to appear to see a good Kerry club player over David Clifford then youíre entitled to your opinion. I wouldnít agree.
I'm sure Kerry people attended games before Clifford came on the scene.
Everyone is entitled to their opinions but there has to be a bit of facts behind them.
The way you're backing up yours are fairly fanciful sometimes if you don't mind me saying and how you're coming up with your numbers are just pie in the sky. You make no allowances of where money will come for administration, logistics or capital after you've paid these elite.
You actually added in grant money from the GAA for pro game revenue. Come on. And you allowed 40K for backroom as a budget and called yourself generous. After employers tax you're talking 35K. I'd love to see the job advertisement for the team doctor or physio. Highly qualified, minimum 5 years experience in similar field, fully registered, possess indemnity insurance, be very flexible, give up weekends, no medical or dental provided. No time wasters please. What would be the deal sealer? Free leftover ham sandwiches after the team have finished their lunch?

Clifford plus the other 25 players he plays with.

I costed the fee for managers to waterboys at 40,000 a year with 10 in each of the 12  management structure. I costed the average salary of a player to be an extremely generous 70000 a player for 35 players in 12 teams .

The only way these figures might be termed fanciful is that they are extremely generous as starting salaries.

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So people will pay 100 euro for an all Ireland final ticket between Kerry and Dublin Junior teams?

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