FAI...June 2024 Friendlies v Hungary and Portugal

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Itchy

Quote from: Capt Pat on March 27, 2021, 10:07:52 PM
The manager has to take a lot of the blame for a result like this. In terms of players we are not that bad and shouldn't be losing at home against Luxembourg. It is the managers job to pick the team and motivate the players.

This performance brings back memories of Staunton and the 5-2 defeat to Cyprus.

With the players available tell us who you would have picked tonight and the tactics you would have employed.

tintin25

Let's face it, regardless of how tonight went Ireland were never going to Qatar.  As bad as the result was, I don't see the point in getting rid of him now.  Michael O'Neill only won 1 game out of first 18 in charge when he managed NI.... that tenure didn't turn out too badly in the end.  Oh, they were beaten by both Luxembourg and Azerbaijan also.

yellowcard

The problems go way beyond Stephen Kenny and ultimately there is a lack of quality on the pitch.

However Kenny has done nothing since he came into the job to justify the media hype. To listen to some you would think he was the second coming of Pep Guardiola. Yes, we play a bit more football in the middle third but it's not exactly swashbuckling stuff either. He was always going to face the challenge of earning the respect of seasoned professionals that he was up to the job but he has done nothing to date to suggest that he is capable at this level.

Sacking the manager may not be the answer but it can't get much lower than it did tonight. If this was O'Neill or Trap the media would be gunning for them.

JPGJOHNNYG

Standards dropping fast when we aspire to be as good as NI under Kenny

sid waddell

Kenny when speaking reminds me of Paul Curran on The Sunday Game

Ye know

Milltown Row2

Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on March 27, 2021, 10:21:25 PM
Standards dropping fast when we aspire to be as good as NI under Kenny

Would need to aspire at the very least to best Luxembourg at home, worst case scenario is a draw, but bate out the gate
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

dillinger


Hoof Hearted

Treble 6 Nations Fantasy Rugby champion 2008, 2011 & 2012

yellowcard

Quote from: sid waddell on March 27, 2021, 10:24:46 PM
Kenny when speaking reminds me of Paul Curran on The Sunday Game

Ye know

Actually felt sorry for him during that interview, it was a painful watch.

Im sure he is a good football man but he hasn't carried any air of authority since he came into the job and is a poor communicator in front of the cameras. There are plenty of good football men but that shouldn't qualify you to manage at international level.

Capt Pat

Quote from: Itchy on March 27, 2021, 10:15:09 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on March 27, 2021, 10:07:52 PM
The manager has to take a lot of the blame for a result like this. In terms of players we are not that bad and shouldn't be losing at home against Luxembourg. It is the managers job to pick the team and motivate the players.

This performance brings back memories of Staunton and the 5-2 defeat to Cyprus.

With the players available tell us who you would have picked tonight and the tactics you would have employed.

I am not an international class football manager so I decline to answer that but the team badly needs an internstional class manager and Kenny it seems is not one.

Itchy

There's no doubt that the man is under pressure and I'd fear for him in that some of these players could throw him under the bus by not stepping up now on Tuesday. His biggest challenge is now, to get these boys to react to that result in the right way. Sacking Kenny now would achieve nothing anyway.

Itchy

Quote from: Capt Pat on March 27, 2021, 10:40:40 PM
Quote from: Itchy on March 27, 2021, 10:15:09 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on March 27, 2021, 10:07:52 PM
The manager has to take a lot of the blame for a result like this. In terms of players we are not that bad and shouldn't be losing at home against Luxembourg. It is the managers job to pick the team and motivate the players.

This performance brings back memories of Staunton and the 5-2 defeat to Cyprus.

With the players available tell us who you would have picked tonight and the tactics you would have employed.

I am not an international class football manager so I decline to answer that but the team badly needs an internstional class manager and Kenny it seems is not one.

That's a cop out. You haven't the balls to tell us what players should be on the pitch and in what positions but you can tell us the manager got it wrong?

dublin7

Quote from: Itchy on March 27, 2021, 10:43:07 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on March 27, 2021, 10:40:40 PM
Quote from: Itchy on March 27, 2021, 10:15:09 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on March 27, 2021, 10:07:52 PM
The manager has to take a lot of the blame for a result like this. In terms of players we are not that bad and shouldn't be losing at home against Luxembourg. It is the managers job to pick the team and motivate the players.

This performance brings back memories of Staunton and the 5-2 defeat to Cyprus.

With the players available tell us who you would have picked tonight and the tactics you would have employed.

I am not an international class football manager so I decline to answer that but the team badly needs an internstional class manager and Kenny it seems is not one.

That's a cop out. You haven't the balls to tell us what players should be on the pitch and in what positions but you can tell us the manager got it wrong?

Unfortunately Capt Pat is typical of your average Irish fan. He'll say we should do better, but can't come up with any specifics as to why and would struggle to name most of the Irish team. You can be sure he/she would have no problem naming the Liverpool, Man Utd, Chelsea etc teams though as he/she is no doubt a die hard fan who maybe goes to see them play live in the UK once a season(pre Covid)

Milltown Row2

Quote from: dublin7 on March 27, 2021, 11:06:12 PM
Quote from: Itchy on March 27, 2021, 10:43:07 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on March 27, 2021, 10:40:40 PM
Quote from: Itchy on March 27, 2021, 10:15:09 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on March 27, 2021, 10:07:52 PM
The manager has to take a lot of the blame for a result like this. In terms of players we are not that bad and shouldn't be losing at home against Luxembourg. It is the managers job to pick the team and motivate the players.

This performance brings back memories of Staunton and the 5-2 defeat to Cyprus.

With the players available tell us who you would have picked tonight and the tactics you would have employed.

I am not an international class football manager so I decline to answer that but the team badly needs an internstional class manager and Kenny it seems is not one.

That's a cop out. You haven't the balls to tell us what players should be on the pitch and in what positions but you can tell us the manager got it wrong?

Unfortunately Capt Pat is typical of your average Irish fan. He'll say we should do better, but can't come up with any specifics as to why and would struggle to name most of the Irish team. You can be sure he/she would have no problem naming the Liverpool, Man Utd, Chelsea etc teams though as he/she is no doubt a die hard fan who maybe goes to see them play live in the UK once a season(pre Covid)

Did the manager get it right and his players just not follow his instructions?
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

dublin7

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 27, 2021, 11:11:59 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on March 27, 2021, 11:06:12 PM
Quote from: Itchy on March 27, 2021, 10:43:07 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on March 27, 2021, 10:40:40 PM
Quote from: Itchy on March 27, 2021, 10:15:09 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on March 27, 2021, 10:07:52 PM
The manager has to take a lot of the blame for a result like this. In terms of players we are not that bad and shouldn't be losing at home against Luxembourg. It is the managers job to pick the team and motivate the players.

This performance brings back memories of Staunton and the 5-2 defeat to Cyprus.

With the players available tell us who you would have picked tonight and the tactics you would have employed.

I am not an international class football manager so I decline to answer that but the team badly needs an internstional class manager and Kenny it seems is not one.

That's a cop out. You haven't the balls to tell us what players should be on the pitch and in what positions but you can tell us the manager got it wrong?

Unfortunately Capt Pat is typical of your average Irish fan. He'll say we should do better, but can't come up with any specifics as to why and would struggle to name most of the Irish team. You can be sure he/she would have no problem naming the Liverpool, Man Utd, Chelsea etc teams though as he/she is no doubt a die hard fan who maybe goes to see them play live in the UK once a season(pre Covid)

Did the manager get it right and his players just not follow his instructions?
If a player can't play a simple pass or score a header from 6 yards you can't blame the manager. That's just poor play. The simple fact is this Ireland side is the worst team (ability wise) since Jack Charlton was appointed in the 1980s. The team has  no attacking players playing at any sort of decent level except Shane Long who's goal scoring record in the premier league is shocking for a striker.

The problems go back to the FAI/John Delaney and the complete lack of any system to bring through footballers in this country. Players are shipped over to the UK at 15/16 like cattle by clubs only interested in the money. With the global spread of footballers coming to the EPL the numbers of young Irish lads coming through has fallen dramatically and the level/teams Irish players are playing at is now lower as well. 

For people skating Kenny who wasn't playing tonight that he should have selected?