The thing that gets me, is that we have more adult hurlers than Offaly or Carlow. And probably Westmeath, too, but I haven't checked that. But, Offaly are about to pass us out at adult level, and Carlow are currently operating at a higher level than us. I know it's not ALL about numbers (otherwise Dublin would win everything, every year), but it does point to something being wrong, either in our attitude and expectations, or in our standards of coaching. Or, probably both.