Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification

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David McKeown

Quote from: Nanderson on May 05, 2024, 07:13:46 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on May 05, 2024, 05:41:36 PM
Quote from: upmonaghansayswe on May 05, 2024, 05:24:51 PMDuring the advantage period of 5 seconds, I thought any technical fouls by the attacking player was a free against them. i.e you can't just stand there or overcarry to claim the free.

Eamonn Fitzmaurice said the ref came back for the advantage after Conroy overcarried in the 1st half.

I thought you could. Otherwise what's the point of the advantage it would actually at times be a disadvantage
No a technical foul during the advantage should result in reversal of the original decision

I thought you simply couldn't benefit from a technical foul during the advantage.  What if a foul occurs after you as you go to solo or toe tap preventing you from toe tapping does the ref signal play on and then immediately change their decision?  Can they not give an advantage in that scenario? 

I have never liked the advantage rule in GAA anyway its like a bad hybrid of the rule in soccer and rugby.
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David McKeown

Also where is the rule on the advantage procedure contained?
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JoG2

Quote from: Nanderson on May 05, 2024, 07:13:46 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on May 05, 2024, 05:41:36 PM
Quote from: upmonaghansayswe on May 05, 2024, 05:24:51 PMDuring the advantage period of 5 seconds, I thought any technical fouls by the attacking player was a free against them. i.e you can't just stand there or overcarry to claim the free.

Eamonn Fitzmaurice said the ref came back for the advantage after Conroy overcarried in the 1st half.

I thought you could. Otherwise what's the point of the advantage it would actually at times be a disadvantage
No a technical foul during the advantage should result in reversal of the original decision

Eh? Where you getting this from? It's literally an advantage, not 'might be an advantage'! Have you ever seen advantage reversed in any game due to a technical foul, ever?

Duine Inteacht Eile


JoG2

Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on May 05, 2024, 08:48:42 PMHe's getting it straight from the rule book.

OK, send in the rule / wording, I'm happy to stand corrected

Nanderson

Quote from: JoG2 on May 05, 2024, 08:27:31 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on May 05, 2024, 07:13:46 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on May 05, 2024, 05:41:36 PM
Quote from: upmonaghansayswe on May 05, 2024, 05:24:51 PMDuring the advantage period of 5 seconds, I thought any technical fouls by the attacking player was a free against them. i.e you can't just stand there or overcarry to claim the free.

Eamonn Fitzmaurice said the ref came back for the advantage after Conroy overcarried in the 1st half.

I thought you could. Otherwise what's the point of the advantage it would actually at times be a disadvantage
No a technical foul during the advantage should result in reversal of the original decision

Eh? Where you getting this from? It's literally an advantage, not 'might be an advantage'! Have you ever seen advantage reversed in any game due to a technical foul, ever?
Foul Subsequent to Advantage Award
If, during the advantage period, a foul is committed by a player of the team which was originally fouled then the advantage is cancelled and a free kick/puck awarded for the "second" foul.


JoG2

Quote from: Nanderson on May 05, 2024, 09:09:15 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 05, 2024, 08:27:31 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on May 05, 2024, 07:13:46 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on May 05, 2024, 05:41:36 PM
Quote from: upmonaghansayswe on May 05, 2024, 05:24:51 PMDuring the advantage period of 5 seconds, I thought any technical fouls by the attacking player was a free against them. i.e you can't just stand there or overcarry to claim the free.

Eamonn Fitzmaurice said the ref came back for the advantage after Conroy overcarried in the 1st half.

I thought you could. Otherwise what's the point of the advantage it would actually at times be a disadvantage
No a technical foul during the advantage should result in reversal of the original decision

Eh? Where you getting this from? It's literally an advantage, not 'might be an advantage'! Have you ever seen advantage reversed in any game due to a technical foul, ever?
Foul Subsequent to Advantage Award
If, during the advantage period, a foul is committed by a player of the team which was originally fouled then the advantage is cancelled and a free kick/puck awarded for the "second" foul.

Thanks. So this rule above, which isn't in the official GAA rule book, is only stated in the referee's handbook. Couldn't be anymore from the 'world of GAA rules' if it tried.

Duine Inteacht Eile

You don't seem happy to stand corrected, if I'm honest.

JoG2

Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on May 05, 2024, 09:49:38 PMYou don't seem happy to stand corrected, if I'm honest.

 ;D, thank you too. If the GAA could sync the official rulebook with the referees handbook, that would make the island happier, not just me


upmonaghansayswe

Quote from: JoG2 on May 05, 2024, 10:45:15 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on May 05, 2024, 09:49:38 PMYou don't seem happy to stand corrected, if I'm honest.

 ;D, thank you too. If the GAA could sync the official rulebook with the referees handbook, that would make the island happier, not just me



A rule not in a rule book..
Anyway, to restate the main point. A co commentator not knowing this. How have viewers a chance.

David McKeown

At least it's not in conflict with the rule book that's happened in the past. Again though I think it shows the need for root and branch reform.

It's also a bit of a nonsense to me. Get fouled. Get advantage. Get bottled up by good defending. Lose advantage.

How exactly do you claim the free kick then. Must you shoot or play the ball to an opponent or something?

Also how is a shot at goal (regardless of outcome) not an advantage over say a 21m free?
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Armagh18

Quote from: David McKeown on May 06, 2024, 09:36:26 AMAt least it's not in conflict with the rule book that's happened in the past. Again though I think it shows the need for root and branch reform.

It's also a bit of a nonsense to me. Get fouled. Get advantage. Get bottled up by good defending. Lose advantage.

How exactly do you claim the free kick then. Must you shoot or play the ball to an opponent or something?

Also how is a shot at goal (regardless of outcome) not an advantage over say a 21m free?
I think you could be allowed to stop and claim the free.

Main Street

And how is the fouled player to know he has an advantage? eyes in the back of his head?
It's a totally idiotic advantage rule when you can lose the advantage inside 4 seconds.

If a player does happen to notice that he has the advantage, can he stop play and say, 'thanks ref but I want the free kick not the so called advantage'?

upmonaghansayswe

Quote from: Main Street on May 06, 2024, 11:48:58 AMAnd how is the fouled player to know he has an advantage? eyes in the back of his head?
It's a totally idiotic advantage rule when you can lose the advantage inside 4 seconds.

If a player does happen to notice that he has the advantage, can he stop play and say, 'thanks ref but I want the free kick not the so called advantage'?

No, he has to 'honestly' play on and make the ref call it that no advantage is being gained.

I think a ref would give the free in the case of getting bottled up, as it would be clear no advantage is being gained at the start of the bottling up.

It's where the attacking player overcarries for no ones fault but their own that a foul would be called.