Joe Brolly

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Main Street

Quote from: Owen Brannigan on April 12, 2017, 10:38:18 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 12, 2017, 10:13:07 PM
Quote from: seafoid on April 11, 2017, 11:35:09 AM
Spillane isn't smart enough to be a presenter which is why the experiment was abandoned. He never made it past deputy principal . He is a football legend however.
Being a presenter isn't about smartness. Pat is smart enough but he just isn't a smooth suave presenter, like 99.99% of us

I don't have a word of Irish but I can still tell that Dara Ó Cinnéide on Seó Spóirt is a real presenter not a shouty, see me like Brolly who has to talk down everyone.  What a pity his show has been cancelled while Brolly continues to reign on RTE.

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/dara-ó-cinnéide-disappointed-at-the-end-of-seó-spóirt-on-tg4-1.2967880
Brolly's not a presenter and hasn't yet been mentioned in the context of being a presenter, that would be akin to a Father Jack taking over the parish.
How do you think the loquacious Dara would do presenting the Sunday Game?
Personally, I don't think the genial Lyster is a/the problem but at times he should just be more firm reining in Joe. I wonder is it his call to have Joe there or is that coming from elsewhere? I don't mind having the same presenter, it's the pundit predictability that's the death of any interesting panel discussion and for that reason the SG is a better place without Colm and Pat as permanent residents.

Jinxy

Excuse me, Colm is the only one of the three 'senior' panelists who just gives an honest opinion without trying to generate soundbites or headlines of his own.
Plus, he's probably the only one Brolly has any respect for.
If you were any use you'd be playing.

Thy Kingdom Come

Quote from: Jinxy on April 13, 2017, 01:20:28 PM
Excuse me, Colm is the only one of the three 'senior' panelists who just gives an honest opinion without trying to generate soundbites or headlines of his own.
Plus, he's probably the only one Brolly has any respect for.

Except for when Brolly mouths off about O' Rourke's failed Celtic Tiger investments on the Sunday Game!

AZOffaly

Was it not Colm O'Rourke that said Dooher was useless, and if he won an All Ireland he (Colm) would 'eat his hat'?

That's fairly headliney.

The Stallion

Good point well made.

BennyHarp

Quote from: AZOffaly on April 13, 2017, 03:28:34 PM
Was it not Colm O'Rourke that said Dooher was useless, and if he won an All Ireland he (Colm) would 'eat his hat'?

That's fairly headliney.

I can't even remember the context to this. I assume it was 2002? Why was he having a personal dig at Dooher, especially when he clearly has no knowledge of what he was about as a player? Really poor stuff from O'Rourke! His "you'll never win anything with kids" moment.
That was never a square ball!!

Fuzzman

#3156
Keeping a tighter reign on Joe is near impossible as the man is such a loose cannon.
I've watched him on several platforms and it's just not possible to contain the man as he continually takes over the show. He doesn't listen to others opinions and often talks over people and wont let them have their say.

The famous rant after the Sean Cavanagh tackle sums the man up in my eyes where he really went OTT and couldn't understand how the others were defending that Cavanagh did what any other player would do. He then doesn't let the other lads speak and keeps telling Lyster to Hold on, hold on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cQyAuErSVI

Look at Brolly's face at the end of this video and O'Rourke's smile
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQNMNRl__zg

The Stallion

He was pretty much correct about Cavanagh, who was a very good footballer but some of his diving and fouling was just pathetic stuff.

You would have to question what sort of a person values winning a game so much that they'd throw themselves to the floor at the slightest touch and hold their face like they'd been shot. Some idiots might say "a winner" of course, there's no shortage of people prepared to excuse the inexcusable.

redhandefender

Quote from: The Stallion on April 13, 2017, 04:16:44 PM
He was pretty much correct about Cavanagh, who was a very good footballer but some of his diving and fouling was just pathetic stuff.

You would have to question what sort of a person values winning a game so much that they'd throw themselves to the floor at the slightest touch and hold their face like they'd been shot. Some idiots might say "a winner" of course, there's no shortage of people prepared to excuse the inexcusable.

Wise up you clown just because your county are now irrelevant.

Every top level forward at club or county include brolly knows how to win a free and have done it at some point. With regards fouling what are you on about? the one pull down of mc manus by any chance? Really going back there? anyone would have done it.

Brolly uses his position to slate players who are held in high regard, its all about his ego.

For him to question someone as a man for a foul on a football pitch then behave like he has in real life says it all really. be proud Derry

tonto1888

Dunno about fouling but Cavanagh is a master of diving. Shame as he is such a good footballer

Main Street

Quote from: Jinxy on April 13, 2017, 01:20:28 PM
Excuse me, Colm is the only one of the three 'senior' panelists who just gives an honest opinion without trying to generate soundbites or headlines of his own.
Plus, he's probably the only one Brolly has any respect for.
Colm gives a predictable honest opinion.


Is whoever Brolly has any respect for, a dubious honour or a dubious shame? :)

Jinxy

Quote from: Thy Kingdom Come on April 13, 2017, 02:37:57 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 13, 2017, 01:20:28 PM
Excuse me, Colm is the only one of the three 'senior' panelists who just gives an honest opinion without trying to generate soundbites or headlines of his own.
Plus, he's probably the only one Brolly has any respect for.

Except for when Brolly mouths off about O' Rourke's failed Celtic Tiger investments on the Sunday Game!

I'm sure Colm elbowed him in the kidney afterwards.
If you were any use you'd be playing.

mrdeeds

Quote from: tonto1888 on April 13, 2017, 05:11:23 PM
Dunno about fouling but Cavanagh is a master of diving. Shame as he is such a good footballer

Master of grabbing the defenders arm and falls to ground. Refs fall for it always.

Main Street

Quote from: mrdeeds on April 13, 2017, 06:22:31 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 13, 2017, 05:11:23 PM
Dunno about fouling but Cavanagh is a master of diving. Shame as he is such a good footballer

Master of grabbing the defenders arm and falls to ground. Refs fall for it always.
He's also Lord of the Dance.

Captain Obvious

 

Pádraic Joyce: Give me analysis over opinion any day
County , Dublin GAA , Galway GAA , Kerry GAA and Kildare GAA | Thu Apr 13 08:56:12 IST 2017
"Is the @LeagueSundayRTE and @TheSundayGame not for ANALYSING games ..? All we are getting is opinions. #RTEGAA"
 
I wouldn't be a great man for the auld social media but this tweet I put up last Sunday night generated a few likes, so clearly I said what others were thinking. I prefer analysis to opinion, and I think a lot of GAA people don't even watch it at this point.
I wanted some insight into the decision to take off Cian O'Sullivan, and why Dublin put on Kevin McManamon and Michael Darragh Macauley after taking off the centre-back and Ciaran Reddin. How did Kerry stop O'Sullivan having such an influence on the game? Jim Gavin made the bold substitution in a bid to win the game which nearly paid off as UCD Student Mannion contributed 1-2 from play.

The Dubs gave away seven frees midway through the second half and Philly McMahon was twice reduced to panic tackles - with a closed fist on one occasion - and O'Sullivan also gave away a free for a pull of the jersey right in front of the goals. The bottom line was that the Kingdom had put the All-Ireland champions under huge pressure and it was telling. The Dubs were panicking, giving away easy frees and easy ball.
 
Dublin handpassed and kicked away some easy ball which were taken full advantage of. Kerry came with a more attacking mindset but they played on the edge too. Jonathan Lyne was black-carded for hauling down Diarmiud Connolly but I felt it could have been red: it was high and dangerous. We got no analysis into the role Peter Crowley played, who in my opinion was the best player on the pitch. He was immense in defence, and then getting up and down the field supporting his forwards all day.
 
Bernard Brogan didn't shine for Dublin last Sunday but I am a firm believer that you are only as good as the ball coming into you. Bernard was well shackled but the quality of ball into him was terrible, he had no chance.
 
Ciaran Kilkenny doesn't kick enough of the ball he gets, he is handpassing 80% of it laterally or backwards; so how can inside forwards operate when you have a middle third man not supplying quick early ball inside? Ciaran got huge praise last year on the 'Sunday Game' for handling the ball 37 times against Dublin but what they failed to analyse was that 30 of those balls were hand passed backwards or sideways. Another game, for the record, in which Brogan was taken off. 

The Dublin inside forwards simply didn't get early ball and this is also due to the pressure Kerry put on around the middle third. Kerry also on occasions pushed up to great effect which meant Stephen Cluxton had to kick 50-50 kickouts and David Moran profited big time.
The week leading into the game, Eamonn Fitzmaurice came out in the media talking about an orchestrated campaign against Lee Keegan last year which had an influence on his black card in the final replay. I agree on this point, because Keegan didn't deserve to get the line, and perhaps it was a case of evening it up after Jonny Cooper had been put off.

The ex-Dubs were out in force in the media then and even Paul Curran after the league game in Tralee saying Kerry were guilty of "shameful" play. Fitzmaurice had to level the playing field, I'm 100% behind him on that. It shows his players too that they're all paddling in the one direction when their manager goes public in support of them. Tomas and Darragh O Se and Bomber Liston all write articles in the media and none of them were throwing curve balls in Dublin's direction when they had the platform. Fitzmaurice is a great GAA man, he was a tough uncompromising centre-back with a great football brain. I came across him a few times in my career and he'd always be first over to shake your hand after; whatever went on during the game was left on the pitch.
 
The GAA needs characters like Joe Brolly. I'm not trying to draw Joe Brolly onto me! After all, he is a more academically qualified and a more intelligent gentleman than I will ever be! But I can't not mention him going on about the Gooch. Northern teams such as Tyrone, Donegal and Armagh always had two men around him and another one watching, unlike Cork and Mayo. That has to be understood. When did you ever see any forward kick 1-4 or five points from play against those aforementioned teams in their heyday?
 
I once got a rise out of Joe by reminding him of the 1998 All-Ireland semi-final against us, he was taken off well before the final whistle sounded because Tomas Mannion had him in his pocket from the first minute. He was giving me guff one night after a charity game and I said "Joe, I'll get Tomas Mannion after you..!" which quietened him! I always remember the camera panning to Joe just after half-time and he's on the bench rubbing his head, whereas he'd been off blowing kisses to the crowd in Clones just a few weeks earlier after big Geoffrey McGonigle handed him one on a plate. So I am just not sure Joe is so qualified to give such a heavily-weighted opinion about the Gooch not scoring against these teams when he will be hard pressed to name someone who did. Sometimes, if you have nothing positive to say in certain situations, you are better off saying nothing at all.

One cost-saving measure that RTE should look at is this: the next time they use Joe, they would be better off getting him on alone as the people on with him rarely get a word in anyway. Even when Joe talked about the Galway-Kildare league final, he just dismissed it as a terrible game. Now, I will say that the intensity levels were light years off what Kerry and Dublin produced but it was so important for Galway to get back up to Division 1 for 2018. But to also win the final in Croke Park and stop all the talk there was about not winning there for so long. There were 34 points scored in that game too